4/9/2012, Cardinals (Westbrook) @ Reds (Bailey)- Game 4

[757690]

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

Bailey is essentially a league average starter.

It amazes me the amount of pain people here suffer watching the ups and downs of such pitchers.

It was a bad inning, but no credit for the 2 spotless innings thereafter.

Putting the team down 4-0 in the first is not what league average pitchers do, no matter how well he pitches the rest of the game.

[membengal]

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

Ok. But is Homer the guy you remove from the rotation?

At this point, yes. Arroyo ain't going anywhere, and Bailey, despite the defense from y'all, really isn't all that. The best you can do is "he's average!". Well, at this point, not really seeing that as an argument in his favor.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Originally Posted by 757690

Putting the team down 4-0 in the first is not what league average pitchers do, no matter how well he pitches the rest of the game.

If he were to do that every game, I'd agree with you. But it's ONE inning. I think we're a little quick on the trigger here. Everybody has a bad inning now and again.

[Reds Fanatic]

He got lucky there. A borderline strike call. Westbrook strikes out looking. 4-0 Cards mid 4th.

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally Posted by membengal

The pain is that there is someone on the staff right now who I genuinely think can be better than league average. And what not.

That's not Homer Bailey's fault......

And how come Arroyo does not get subject to the same complaints?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

That's not Homer Bailey's fault......

And how come Arroyo does not get subject to the same complaints?

Nice hair?

[cbowen2112]

Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

If he were to do that every game, I'd agree with you. But it's ONE inning. I think we're a little quick on the trigger here.

He can have one bad inning and then go 7 strong with 4 ER. That is about league average. We need our offense to wake up before the 9th though.

[membengal]

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

That's not Homer Bailey's fault......

And how come Arroyo does not get subject to the same complaints?

He does. You know he does. Check out the game thread from Sunday for the latest.

[kaldaniels]

Originally Posted by membengal

At this point, yes. Arroyo ain't going anywhere, and Bailey, despite the defense from y'all, really isn't all that. The best you can do is "he's average!". Well, at this point, not really seeing that as an argument in his favor.

You say Arroyo ain't gonna anywhere.

I can say Chapman ain't leaving the pen.

If you were calling the shots, would you remove Homer or Bronson?

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally Posted by 757690

Putting the team down 4-0 in the first is not what league average pitchers do, no matter how well he pitches the rest of the game.

Actually, yes, they do some times (as proven here).

A league average pitcher does not churn out 6 innings 3 runs every game.

[RedsMan3203]

Originally Posted by membengal

At this point, yes. Arroyo ain't going anywhere, and Bailey, despite the defense from y'all, really isn't all that. The best you can do is "he's average!". Well, at this point, not really seeing that as an argument in his favor.

If Homer is removed from the rotation, he shouldn't go to the pen.

I see how Dusty made the decision to put Chapman back in the pen. He has worked out of the pen with a ton of success and no issues. Homer has started the whole time with some success.

It was a move of comfort...

[cbowen2112]

Originally Posted by Reds Fanatic

He got lucky there. A borderline strike call. Westbrook strikes out looking. 4-0 Cards mid 4th.

It was definitely over the plate. Had late tail spin on it.

[757690]

Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

If he were to do that every game, I'd agree with you. But it's ONE inning. I think we're a little quick on the trigger here.

He melts down and gives up a big inning all the time, in nearly half of his starts last year. If this was the first time he's imploded like this, he would deserve some slack, but alas, it is not.

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally Posted by membengal

He does. You know he does. Check out the game thread from Sunday for the latest.

Well Chapman isn't replacing both of them.

At some point, you guys are going to have to live with the fact that the Reds aren't going to have 5 aces (you think you would have by now since we never have any!).

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce reaches on an error by Furcal