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11larkin11 · 06-17-2012, 04:03 PM

What to do tomorrow with Rolen back?

I'm guessing that with Stubbs on the DL, Heisey will be the CF (He PH'ed today so I assume he'll be there, or Valdez if he's not) and Frazier will be the LF with Rolen at 3B. On Rolen's off days, Frazier will be 3B and Ludwick will be in Left.

When Stubbs comes back, what does everyone think will happen? I know what most people WISH would happen, but what WILL happen?

And please, don't use this as a Dusty bash thread.

kaldaniels · 06-17-2012, 04:06 PM

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96158

Tom Servo · 06-17-2012, 04:09 PM

Negron to Louisville
Rolen to 3B
Frazier to LF

boom

reds44 · 06-17-2012, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Negron to Louisville
Rolen to 3B
Frazier to LF

boom

Yup.

Cozart
Heisey/Valdez/Stubbs
Votto
Phillips
Bruce
Frazier
Rolen
Catcher

kaldaniels · 06-17-2012, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Negron to Louisville
Rolen to 3B
Frazier to LF

boom

Agreed. I'm watching Rolen's bat very carefully though. I truly hope
he is in better condition than in April.

_Sir_Charles_ · 06-17-2012, 04:13 PM

I know it WON'T happen...but what I'd LIKE to see happen is for Rolen to be moved to the bench as a defensive replacement and pinch hitter. He has NOT been producing for quite a while now (injury or no injury). Frazier has done all he can and more to earn a starting spot IMO. Ludwick & Heisey are just now starting to really hit. Once Stubbs comes back I expect him to be back as the starting CF'er with Ludwick/Heisey platooning in left again.

But Rolen...bench/defensive sub. It's time.

reds44 · 06-17-2012, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

I know it WON'T happen...but what I'd LIKE to see happen is for Rolen to be moved to the bench as a defensive replacement and pinch hitter. He has NOT been producing for quite a while now (injury or no injury). Frazier has done all he can and more to earn a starting spot IMO. Ludwick & Heisey are just now starting to really hit. Once Stubbs comes back I expect him to be back as the starting CF'er with Ludwick/Heisey platooning in left again.

But Rolen...bench/defensive sub. It's time.

That's not going to happen yet. Neither Heisey nor Ludwick have good enough numbers to make that happen. If Rolen comes back and continues to struggle, it's something that could happen down the line. Won't happen right now, though.

kaldaniels · 06-17-2012, 04:16 PM

The absence of production in left field has given Scott a little more rope.

reds44 · 06-17-2012, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

The absence of production in left field has given Scott a little more rope.

Yep. Exactly.

Tom Servo · 06-17-2012, 04:20 PM

It's also worth noting that Ludwick has played some CF in his career

defender · 06-17-2012, 04:21 PM

Reds will also need a DH, so Frazier will be in there somewhere.

11larkin11 · 06-17-2012, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96158

Whoops, just scrolled the first page and didn't see anything. Figured it would be a bigger deal and not that far back. Mods can merge if needed.

_Sir_Charles_ · 06-17-2012, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reds44

That's not going to happen yet. Neither Heisey nor Ludwick have good enough numbers to make that happen. If Rolen comes back and continues to struggle, it's something that could happen down the line. Won't happen right now, though.

I agree. It won't happen. It should though.

Since the ASB of 2010...

2010 3 hr, 26 rbi (188 ab) 277/352/420/772 (post asb)
2011 5 hr, 36 rbi (252 ab) 242/279/397/676
2012 2 hr, 11 rbi ( 92 ab) 174/238/304/542

How anyone can't see that he's toast by now is just ignoring the obvious IMO.

Kc61 · 06-17-2012, 04:39 PM

Congrats on the thread title to 11 Larkin BTW, very appropriate.

There are a lot of issues here.

Ludwick has hit pretty well of late, for good power. Heisey seemed to be coming around when hurt. Valdez just played an excellent series against the Mets. Frazier has played like a solid NL starter.

The bigger names at this point are Rolen and Stubbs. Yet I wonder if the offense will perform better when they return.

The second elephant in the room is Stubbs. Reds offense seems to have done well while he's been out. While watching this offense, I don't miss the Stubbs strikeouts. He has his virtues, no doubt, but the team has performed well with others manning CF.

So I see two elephants in the room and I'm interested in seeing how it works out. Hopefully both Rolen and Stubbs will do well when they return and everyone else can fill in when needed.

nemesis · 06-17-2012, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kc61

So I see two elephants in the room

So do I and the offense has been better with Stubbs out.

Last year the Cardinals moved a very similar underachieving player in Colby Rasmus for some bullpen help. Alot of people felt they made a terrible move and got very little in value for him. As we all know that move worked out very, very well. I would like to see the Reds explore the market for Stubbs. Maybe a package to Minnesota with a couple SP prospects and Gregorious for Willingham and Span?

Frazier probably has put up better numbers since Rolen has been out than Rolen will if he was to stay healthy the remainder year.

I also expect Rolen will break down at some point again before years end. So 3B doesn't worry me that much.

06-17-2012, 04:03 PM	#1
11larkin11 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bellefontaine,OH Posts: 2,285	Elephant in the Room What to do tomorrow with Rolen back? I'm guessing that with Stubbs on the DL, Heisey will be the CF (He PH'ed today so I assume he'll be there, or Valdez if he's not) and Frazier will be the LF with Rolen at 3B. On Rolen's off days, Frazier will be 3B and Ludwick will be in Left. When Stubbs comes back, what does everyone think will happen? I know what most people WISH would happen, but what WILL happen? And please, don't use this as a Dusty bash thread. __________________ Domo Arigato, Here Comes Joey Votto ---TRF "I do what I want to do and say what I want to say." --Bronson Arroyo

06-17-2012, 04:06 PM	#2
kaldaniels Viva la Rolen Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,302	Re: Elephant in the Room http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96158

06-17-2012, 04:09 PM	#3
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,383	Re: Elephant in the Room Negron to Louisville Rolen to 3B Frazier to LF boom __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

06-17-2012, 04:13 PM	#6
_Sir_Charles_ 2013 NL MVP and WS MVP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 6,349	Re: Elephant in the Room I know it WON'T happen...but what I'd LIKE to see happen is for Rolen to be moved to the bench as a defensive replacement and pinch hitter. He has NOT been producing for quite a while now (injury or no injury). Frazier has done all he can and more to earn a starting spot IMO. Ludwick & Heisey are just now starting to really hit. Once Stubbs comes back I expect him to be back as the starting CF'er with Ludwick/Heisey platooning in left again. But Rolen...bench/defensive sub. It's time. __________________

06-17-2012, 04:16 PM	#8
kaldaniels Viva la Rolen Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,302	Re: Elephant in the Room The absence of production in left field has given Scott a little more rope.

06-17-2012, 04:20 PM	#10
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,383	Re: Elephant in the Room It's also worth noting that Ludwick has played some CF in his career __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

06-17-2012, 04:21 PM	#11
defender Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 277	Re: Elephant in the Room Reds will also need a DH, so Frazier will be in there somewhere.

06-17-2012, 04:39 PM	#14
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,815	Re: Elephant in the Room Congrats on the thread title to 11 Larkin BTW, very appropriate. There are a lot of issues here. Ludwick has hit pretty well of late, for good power. Heisey seemed to be coming around when hurt. Valdez just played an excellent series against the Mets. Frazier has played like a solid NL starter. The bigger names at this point are Rolen and Stubbs. Yet I wonder if the offense will perform better when they return. The second elephant in the room is Stubbs. Reds offense seems to have done well while he's been out. While watching this offense, I don't miss the Stubbs strikeouts. He has his virtues, no doubt, but the team has performed well with others manning CF. So I see two elephants in the room and I'm interested in seeing how it works out. Hopefully both Rolen and Stubbs will do well when they return and everyone else can fill in when needed.

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