Crawford for HanRam and Bell Rumor - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Benihana · 07-18-2012, 02:06 PM

Would be a crazy Titanic of a blockbuster if true...

Nightingale reporting

_Sir_Charles_ · 07-18-2012, 02:26 PM

Would be a crazy "sinking titanic" of a "going out of business Blockbuster" if true...

Those are 3 horribly regressing players making WAAAAAY more than they should. A bad contract smorgasbord.

Scrap Irony · 07-18-2012, 02:34 PM

Love the deal for a myriad of reasons, the primary being it's a heck of a story.

Ramirez will help Boston's SS hole, Bell will help Boston's relief problems, and Crawford will help Miami's OF woes.

It's an outside the box deal that has a chance of helping both squads.

Would love to see other teams do the same type of thing-- dealing expensive sunk costs for other expensive sunk costs.

Nice thought, if true, by both GMs.

Benihana · 07-18-2012, 02:35 PM

I'd take HanRam if the Fish paid half his salary. No thanks to the other two.

Dan · 07-18-2012, 02:40 PM

MLBTR Update:

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1:10pm: There's no current discussion involving Crawford, Ramirez and Bell, ESPN.com's Buster Olney reports (on Twitter). The idea surfaced briefly as a concept and immediately died.

I'd put this on par with the Yankees and Red Sox agreeing to trade Williams for DiMaggio.

blumj · 07-18-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Love the deal for a myriad of reasons, the primary being it's a heck of a story.

Ramirez will help Boston's SS hole, Bell will help Boston's relief problems, and Crawford will help Miami's OF woes.

It's an outside the box deal that has a chance of helping both squads.

Would love to see other teams do the same type of thing-- dealing expensive sunk costs for other expensive sunk costs.

Nice thought, if true, by both GMs.

By pouring the gasoline or lighting the match?

Homer Bailey · 07-18-2012, 02:56 PM

Olney has already shut this rumor down.

MikeS21 · 07-18-2012, 03:13 PM

Here we go with the rumors again. I always wonder where these guys get their "inside information." But even more, I wonder why "inside information" that is legitimate gets "leaked." Baseball executives and FO insiders have to be playing some kind of an angle if they are going to go blab to a writer about potential and actual deals. Find the angle and it will bring you closer to the truth.

Scrap Irony · 07-18-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Benihana

I'd take HanRam if the Fish paid half his salary.

How about Ramirez for Arroyo, with the Fish paying the difference in salaries and the Reds throwing in Sulbaran? (In my hypothetical, Arroyo says yes to the deal, as he has 5/10 rights.)

REDREAD · 07-18-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

How about Ramirez for Arroyo, with the Fish paying the difference in salaries and the Reds throwing in Sulbaran? (In my hypothetical, Arroyo says yes to the deal, as he has 5/10 rights.)

We really can't trade anyone from the rotation unless we get a starter back.

If the team is forced to put Redmond, LeCure, or someone like that in the rotation for an extended period of time, we're in big trouble.
Simon might be able to handle it, but why risk it? He seems like the classic case of a failed starter who can handle the bullpen.

Brutus · 07-18-2012, 03:57 PM

The Reds should ship Sean Casey to Florida for Crawford.

RedlegJake · 07-18-2012, 03:57 PM

For all we know Redmond might be as good as Arroyo. He needs to get a start or two to find out anything though. He sounds a bit like Leake, his control, his stuff. I think it would be worth it if there was a trade that could get us out from under Arroyo's 2013 contract although the accelerated deferrment payments would still be a problem.

_Sir_Charles_ · 07-18-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blumj

By pouring the gasoline or lighting the match?

Exactly. This whole speculated deal is much ado about nothing. None of the 3 players have looked even remotely good recently (I'm not going to count the couple of games Crawford's played). They're big names and big contracts...and big flops.

PuffyPig · 07-18-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Bell will help Boston's relief problems......

Unless Boston's problem is that thier relievers are too effective, Bell won't be much help.....

blumj · 07-18-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PuffyPig

Unless Boston's problem is that thier relievers are too effective, Bell won't be much help.....

Actually, that is one of their problems, their relievers keep showing up the starters by getting opposing batters out.

07-18-2012, 02:06 PM	#1
Benihana Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,437	Crawford for HanRam and Bell Rumor Would be a crazy Titanic of a blockbuster if true... Nightingale reporting __________________ Go BLUE!!!

07-18-2012, 02:26 PM	#2
_Sir_Charles_ 2013 NL MVP and WS MVP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 6,414	Re: Crawford for HanRam and Bell Rumor Would be a crazy "sinking titanic" of a "going out of business Blockbuster" if true... Those are 3 horribly regressing players making WAAAAAY more than they should. A bad contract smorgasbord. __________________ “If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant’s life, she will choose to save the infant’s life without even considering if there is a man on base.” —Dave Barry

07-18-2012, 02:34 PM	#3
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Crawford for HanRam and Bell Rumor Love the deal for a myriad of reasons, the primary being it's a heck of a story. Ramirez will help Boston's SS hole, Bell will help Boston's relief problems, and Crawford will help Miami's OF woes. It's an outside the box deal that has a chance of helping both squads. Would love to see other teams do the same type of thing-- dealing expensive sunk costs for other expensive sunk costs. Nice thought, if true, by both GMs. __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

07-18-2012, 02:35 PM	#4
Benihana Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 8,437	Re: Crawford for HanRam and Bell Rumor I'd take HanRam if the Fish paid half his salary. No thanks to the other two. __________________ Go BLUE!!!

07-18-2012, 02:56 PM	#7
Homer Bailey I'm back... and forth Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,612	Re: Crawford for HanRam and Bell Rumor Olney has already shut this rumor down.

07-18-2012, 03:13 PM	#8
MikeS21 Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,653	Re: Crawford for HanRam and Bell Rumor Here we go with the rumors again. I always wonder where these guys get their "inside information." But even more, I wonder why "inside information" that is legitimate gets "leaked." Baseball executives and FO insiders have to be playing some kind of an angle if they are going to go blab to a writer about potential and actual deals. Find the angle and it will bring you closer to the truth. __________________ Opinions are like belly buttons. Everybody has one, and they don't want someone else's shoved into their face.

07-18-2012, 03:57 PM	#11
Brutus Et tu, Brutus? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Atlanta, Ga. Posts: 8,940	Re: Crawford for HanRam and Bell Rumor The Reds should ship Sean Casey to Florida for Crawford. __________________ "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda

07-18-2012, 03:57 PM	#12
RedlegJake Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Kansas City, Mo Posts: 3,867	Re: Crawford for HanRam and Bell Rumor For all we know Redmond might be as good as Arroyo. He needs to get a start or two to find out anything though. He sounds a bit like Leake, his control, his stuff. I think it would be worth it if there was a trade that could get us out from under Arroyo's 2013 contract although the accelerated deferrment payments would still be a problem.

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