7/18/2012 Reds vs Vipers

[WVRedsFan]

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

The dark holes are the real problem is all I'm saying.

Totally agree.

[Kc61]

Didn't see the game, but some very good commentary on the offense in this game thread. I hope the FO is attuned to these concerns as are some of the posters in this thread.

[cbowen2112]

Get ready for tommorow's lineup that will look something like this possibly...

Stubbs
Cozart(possibly Valdez)
Phillips
Bruce
Ludwick
Frazier
Cairo
Mesoraco
Leake


Yilkes...

[alloverjr]

Originally Posted by cbowen2112

Get ready for tommorow's lineup that will look something like this possibly...

Stubbs
Cozart(possibly Valdez)
Phillips
Bruce
Ludwick
Frazier
Cairo
Mesoraco
Leake


Yilkes...

Really no worse than the lineup tonight. And at this point I'll take a few starts from Valdez over Cozart. He's been overly hacktastic lately. Wouldn't be too suprised to see Heisey in RF either with a lefty going (and I would approve).

[Matt700wlw]

Sean Casey is on the way!!!

Not really.

[reds44]

8 runs in 3 games without Votto. This team is in big time trouble.

[757690]

Originally Posted by WVRedsFan

Stubbs .222/.293/.367
Cozart .240/.287/.369
Bruce .244/.319/.491
Ludwick .238/.310/.498
Rolen .199/.267/.308

How can you win with this? Votto covered up a lot of problems. Now that he's gone surely they take notice. In my 50 years of following the Reds I cannot remember over half the lineup being this pitiful at the plate. Even in 1982, every starting Red had an OBP of over .300 except Paul Householder.

The Reds this year without Votto have a very weak lineup. However, it is not nearly as bad as what the 1982 Reds put out everyday. Not even close.

Bruce, Frazier and Ludwick are better than anyone in that 1982 lineup, except for maybe Dan Driessen. Basically, Dan Driessen was their Joey Votto. The Reds were dead last in scoring, averaging 3.36 runs a game. That was easily the worst offensive team I have ever seen. I do understand the need to block out all memories of that 1982 season, so I'll forgive you for not remembering it clearly

[757690]

Originally Posted by reds44

8 runs in 3 games without Votto. This team is in big time trouble.

If the Reds can play .500 for the next 4 weeks without Votto, I'll be very happy. They might have the pitching to do it. Maybe.

[cumberlandreds]

Originally Posted by 757690

The Reds this year without Votto have a very weak lineup. However, it is not nearly as bad as what the 1982 Reds put out everyday. Not even close.

Bruce, Frazier and Ludwick are better than anyone in that 1982 lineup, except for maybe Dan Driessen. Basically, Dan Driessen was their Joey Votto. The Reds were dead last in scoring, averaging 3.36 runs a game. That was easily the worst offensive team I have ever seen. I do understand the need to block out all memories of that 1982 season, so I'll forgive you for not remembering it clearly

I was going to piont out that 1982 and 83 Reds team. They were pathetic. This team is a hitting machine compared to them.
Fay mentioned in his game notes that Valdez and Cairo will probably start todays game. Leake better pitch a shutout because if they score more than one run it will be a near miracle.