NFL Officiating

[WMR]

I heard on the radio that the total dollar amount the two sides are fighting over is less than six million. You've got a multi billion dollar industry and are willing to allow your league to look like a national joke for, comparatively, pennies?

[VR]

Originally Posted by WMR

I heard on the radio that the total dollar amount the two sides are fighting over is less than six million. You've got a multi billion dollar industry and are willing to allow your league to look like a national joke for, comparatively, pennies?

Well, that is a bit of a strawman. 12 million is also pennies, why not just give them that?

I think both sides need to come to an amicable solution and meet somewhere in the middle. Once they do that, officials need to have a much more significant review process that weeds out the individuals who have poor performance.

[WMR]

Originally Posted by VR

Well, that is a bit of a strawman. 12 million is also pennies, why not just give them that?

I think both sides need to come to an amicable solution and meet somewhere in the middle. Once they do that, officials need to have a much more significant review process that weeds out the individuals who have poor performance.

It's not 12 million though, it's six. Lock them in for the next 10 years and stop allowing your league to look like a complete joke.

[Caveat Emperor]

Originally Posted by WMR

It's not 12 million though, it's six. Lock them in for the next 10 years and stop allowing your league to look like a complete joke.

The issues is pensions. The NFL doesn't want to give officials pensions while, simultaneously, denying it the rest of league employees.

[Todd Gack]

And what's with this "THERE SHOULD'VE BEEN PI CALLED ON THAT PLAY TOO!"" baloney?

That happens on every single hail mary pass. When is that ever called?

[VR]

Originally Posted by WMR

It's not 12 million though, it's six. Lock them in for the next 10 years and stop allowing your league to look like a complete joke.

I think it's the justification of that 6 million that causes the difference of opinions.

[JayStubbs]

I wonder how Scott Walker feels about this union battle?

[757690]

Originally Posted by Todd Gack

I know, these refs aren't as good. But there were plenty of games in the past decided by crappy calls. Let's not act as if the normal refs were great at their job too.

I agree the normal refs were pretty bad. Which is all the more reason for the League to make them full time employees. That way, they can dedicate their offseason to becoming better refs, instead of having to take on another job.

[dougdirt]

Just saw this tweet. Not sure about the validity of the statement, but nonetheless:

Just a reminder: The @nfl is locking out the real refs to save $62k per team. That's about how much each team sells in pretzels per game.

[kaldaniels]

Originally Posted by Todd Gack

And what's with this "THERE SHOULD'VE BEEN PI CALLED ON THAT PLAY TOO!"" baloney?

That happens on every single hail mary pass. When is that ever called?

It's not nearly that blatant on most hail marys.

If Tate caught that clean there would still be a big uproar today, maybe not quite as bad.

[bucksfan2]

Originally Posted by 757690

I agree the normal refs were pretty bad. Which is all the more reason for the League to make them full time employees. That way, they can dedicate their offseason to becoming better refs, instead of having to take on another job.

If your a NFL ref making roughly $150K a season for less than 20 weeks worth, are you going to give a consulting job? A lawyer job? A spokesman job? An engineering job?

[kaldaniels]

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

I'd like to give a shout out to sportsbook.com for refunding my bet on GB.

It was not true! No one should ever use sportsbook.com!

[757690]

Originally Posted by bucksfan2

If your a NFL ref making roughly $150K a season for less than 20 weeks worth, are you going to give a consulting job? A lawyer job? A spokesman job? An engineering job?

The league wants them to be full time employees. Right now most are not. Most have second jobs. The issues they are debating are how to do that. And with all labor disputes, it's not about what's fair, it's about what the employees are worth to the company. The first three weeks are showing that the refs are worth more then than league thought they were.

[VR]

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

It's not nearly that blatant on most hail marys.

If Tate caught that clean there would still be a big uproar today, maybe not quite as bad.

If PI was called, it would have been both ways.....as the other Seattle receiver was mugged by 3 defenders.

But yeah, it's rarely called....which is a gray area that I think is fair.

[kaldaniels]

Originally Posted by VR

If PI was called, it would have been both ways.....as the other Seattle receiver was mugged by 3 defenders.

But yeah, it's rarely called....which is a gray area that I think is fair.

In reality, if the ball falls incomplete, no one would care.

But had the guy who gave a shove in the back wound up catching it there would be uproar.

The onus really is on the offense to make a clean catch, dirty play in the end zone is ignored if it is picked or goes incomplete. Just the way it goes. Unless you are the Browns, who lost to Detroit recently on a defensive PI in the end zone (which was blatant).