9/19/12 - Reds at Cubs

[George Foster]

Originally Posted by WVRedsFan

Not pretty, but a great catch by Jay

As a ML player I would hate to play in Wrigley 82 games a year.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by Kc61

I want the Reds to get a new CFer. If they want to keep one of Stubbs or Heisey as a platoon or backup, fine. If they want to keep neither, also fine.

Stubbs makes sense as a platoon against LHP, but it's really not that important. The main thing is to get a new primary guy for that position.

I'm still confused. You say Stubbs makes sense as a platoon against LHP (career .353 wOBA), but yet Heisey doesn't make sense against RHP as the other half (career .349 wOBA).

That's the same production. And unlike OPS where you can argue OBP is more important, you can't make the same argument for wOBA because it's configured to regress the added importance of getting on base. That means the two players against their specific splits are almost identical in overall production. So Heisey, swinging away and all, would theoretically give the Reds the same number of runs in the same number of at-bats against RHP as Stubbs would against LHP.

[Kc61]

Reds need to get through Soriano and Castro next inning. Another run or two for the Reds wouldn't exactly hurt either.

I'm guessing Hoover will get a shot at it.

[The Operator]

Is there any chance that The Reds might take Navarro instead of Mes to the playoffs? He's got that left-handed thing going for him. Or could they carry three catcher? I doubt that but you never know.

[WVRedsFan]

Originally Posted by Kc61

Reds need to get through Soriano and Castro next inning. Another run or two for the Reds wouldn't exactly hurt either.

I'm guessing Hoover will get a shot at it.

Not likely to get runs this inning with Navarro, Valdez and Paul up. Two out.

[The Operator]

Down 1 run you call back your best pinch hitter to hit a rookie with only a handfull of at bats? Ehh I dunno about that.

[George Foster]

Originally Posted by The Operator

Is there any chance that The Reds might take Navarro instead of Mes to the playoffs? He's got that left-handed thing going for him. Or could they carry three catcher? I doubt that but you never know.

The old guy that writes for the Dayton paper says that Navarro is a sure thing for the playoffs. You will get your wish.

[WVRedsFan]

Originally Posted by The Operator

Down 1 run you call back your best pinch hitter to hit a rookie with only a handfull of at bats? Ehh I dunno about that.

Worked. Luckily.

[The Operator]

Shows what I know. H-Rod on with a hit.

[The Operator]

Originally Posted by WVRedsFan

Worked

Happens every time, lol.

[The Operator]

It will be Hoover for the 8th.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by The Operator

Is there any chance that The Reds might take Navarro instead of Mes to the playoffs? He's got that left-handed thing going for him. Or could they carry three catcher? I doubt that but you never know.

I honestly thought they pretty much made the decision to carry Navarro instead of Mesoraco when they sent him to the minors. They certainly aren't likely to carry three catchers, so I pretty much assume it's a given that's their plan.

[Kc61]

Originally Posted by Brutus

I'm still confused. You say Stubbs makes sense as a platoon against LHP (career .353 wOBA), but yet Heisey doesn't make sense against RHP as the other half (career .349 wOBA).

That's the same production. And unlike OPS where you can argue OBP is more important, you can't make the same argument for wOBA because it's configured to regress the added importance of getting on base. That means the two players against their specific splits are almost identical in overall production. So Heisey, swinging away and all, would theoretically give the Reds the same number of runs in the same number of at-bats against RHP as Stubbs would against LHP.

Let me be clear. I never said Heisey should platoon hitting lefties. I said if the Reds want to keep Stubbs or Heisey as a platoon or backup, it's ok with me. The main objective for me is a new, starting CF.

As for OPS, it is a composite stat. You can have a good OPS based on slugging. You can have a good wOBA based on slugging. You can be strong in one component part and weaker in the other.

Many Reds have good OPS, good wOBA because of their slugging. Their OBPs aren't particularly good. But their power compensates.

I don't want another guy whose power compensates for OBP. I want a high OBP hitter for the team. Even if his OPS is a little less. I want a guy who gets on base more. I think it will help Votto, Ludwick, Frazier, others.

In Heisey's case, he is a .766 OPS man but his OBP is .316. I think OBP is what the Reds need. So .316 doesn't do it for me. I'd prefer a different type hitter.

If that's not clear, I'm sorry, I did my best to explain.

[Kc61]

7-6 Dodgers on a Kemp homer in the ninth. Still going on.

[The Operator]

So many balls dying at the warning track lately. On to the 8th inning...