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Brutus · 09-29-2012, 01:52 PM

If you're like me, the 1990 team holds a special place in the heart. Not only was it a World Series champ, but it coincided with the first Reds' team I watched from start to finish. I had watched the Reds previously the couple years before, but I was still young enough it didn't stick. Fortunately for me, I was 10 in 1990 and I picked a great season to fall in love.

This team, though not identical, has a lot of the same traits as that team.

That team was built on a solid rotation, great bullpen, very good defense and a fairly athletic team. Probably the biggest difference is that team was more reliant on speed on the basepaths than power.

Nonetheless, some startling comparisons:

OBP

1990 (.325)
2012 (.317)

SLG

1990 (.399)
2012 (.414)

OPS

1990 (.724)
2012 (.731)

ERA

1990 (3.39)
2012 (3.39)

DEF. EFF. RATIO

1990 (.709)
2012 (.700)

FLD%

1990 (.983)
2012 (.986)

Starters

Rijo, 25 (2.70)
Cueto, 26 (2.83)

Armstrong, 25 (3.42)
Latos, 24 (3.52)

Browning, 30 (3.80)
Arroyo, 35 (3.70)

Jackson, 28 (3.61)
Bailey, 26 (3.75)

Scudder, 22 (4.90) (*Charlton and Mahler also started in this spot)
Leake, 24 (4.75)

Bullpen

Closer

Myers, LHP, 27 (2.07)
Chapman, LHP, 24 (1.55)

Setup

Dibble, RHP, 26 (1.74)
Broxton, RHP, 28 (2.14)

Charlton, LHP, 27 (2.74)
Marshall, LHP, 29 (2.58)

Layana, RHP, 26 (3.49)
Ondrusek, RHP, 27 (3.59)

Food for thought

OldRightHander · 09-29-2012, 01:56 PM

And a starting pitcher with a no hitter under his belt.

GADawg · 09-29-2012, 05:08 PM

that was pretty interesting......the '90 team didn't have Xavier Paul!!!

Nasty_Boy · 09-29-2012, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GADawg

that was pretty interesting......the '90 team didn't have Xavier Paul!!!

Nope, they had Luis Quinones... Quinones? Who's Quinones?

Matt700wlw · 09-29-2012, 07:31 PM

Billy Bates

Tony Cloninger · 09-29-2012, 09:27 PM

Right now....the O provided by Stubbs and Valdez and Cairo is not better than Luis Quinones, Jeff Reed or probably Billy Bates...and that is saying a lot.

cincinnati chili · 09-29-2012, 10:06 PM

I thought this was going to be a reach but there are some compelling similarities there. The individuals in the lineups are quite different, but that's nitpicking on my part.

powersackers · 09-30-2012, 04:17 AM

So who is gonna bat .700 in the series like Hatch?

reds44 · 09-30-2012, 04:21 AM

I thought this was going to be about getting no hit in the playoffs lol

Brutus · 09-30-2012, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by powersackers

So who is gonna bat .700 in the series like Hatch?

Xavier Paul, naturally.

Tony Cloninger · 09-30-2012, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by powersackers

So who is gonna bat .700 in the series like Hatch?

It will end up,being Stubbs if the the baseball gods have a sense of humor.

WebScorpion · 09-30-2012, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by powersackers

So who is gonna bat .700 in the series like Hatch?

Todd Frazier.

Jefferson24 · 09-30-2012, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WebScorpion

Todd Frazier.

I would think Rolen, nice note to retire on.

WebScorpion · 10-01-2012, 01:37 AM

Actually I thought this was going to be a thread about Homer's next start...

redsmetz · 10-01-2012, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger

It will end up,being Stubbs if the the baseball gods have a sense of humor.

And they do. I've envisioned something akin to this for some weeks now. I know some would pull their hair out (with the caveat that a championship is a championship), but I think it would be great if Stubbs stepped up and played at an extraordinary level. Like this season, it would be magical.

09-29-2012, 01:52 PM	#1
Brutus Et tu, Brutus? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Atlanta, Ga. Posts: 9,073	Will lightning strike twice? If you're like me, the 1990 team holds a special place in the heart. Not only was it a World Series champ, but it coincided with the first Reds' team I watched from start to finish. I had watched the Reds previously the couple years before, but I was still young enough it didn't stick. Fortunately for me, I was 10 in 1990 and I picked a great season to fall in love. This team, though not identical, has a lot of the same traits as that team. That team was built on a solid rotation, great bullpen, very good defense and a fairly athletic team. Probably the biggest difference is that team was more reliant on speed on the basepaths than power. Nonetheless, some startling comparisons: OBP 1990 (.325) 2012 (.317) SLG 1990 (.399) 2012 (.414) OPS 1990 (.724) 2012 (.731) ERA 1990 (3.39) 2012 (3.39) DEF. EFF. RATIO 1990 (.709) 2012 (.700) FLD% 1990 (.983) 2012 (.986) Starters Rijo, 25 (2.70) Cueto, 26 (2.83) Armstrong, 25 (3.42) Latos, 24 (3.52) Browning, 30 (3.80) Arroyo, 35 (3.70) Jackson, 28 (3.61) Bailey, 26 (3.75) Scudder, 22 (4.90) (Charlton and Mahler also started in this spot) Leake, 24 (4.75) Bullpen Closer Myers, LHP, 27 (2.07) Chapman, LHP, 24 (1.55) Setup Dibble, RHP, 26 (1.74) Broxton, RHP, 28 (2.14) Charlton, LHP, 27 (2.74) Marshall, LHP, 29 (2.58) Layana, RHP, 26 (3.49) Ondrusek, RHP, 27 (3.59) Food for thought __________________ "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda*

09-29-2012, 01:56 PM	#2
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09-29-2012, 05:08 PM	#3
GADawg Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 1,072	Re: Will lightning strike twice? that was pretty interesting......the '90 team didn't have Xavier Paul!!!

09-29-2012, 07:31 PM	#5
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09-29-2012, 09:27 PM	#6
Tony Cloninger Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 5,252	Re: Will lightning strike twice? Right now....the O provided by Stubbs and Valdez and Cairo is not better than Luis Quinones, Jeff Reed or probably Billy Bates...and that is saying a lot.

09-29-2012, 10:06 PM	#7
cincinnati chili post hype sleeper Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver Posts: 10,358	Re: Will lightning strike twice? I thought this was going to be a reach but there are some compelling similarities there. The individuals in the lineups are quite different, but that's nitpicking on my part. __________________ On Dasher On Dancer On Prancer Ondrusek

09-30-2012, 04:17 AM	#8
powersackers Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 793	So who is gonna bat .700 in the series like Hatch? __________________ Attended 1976 World Series in my Mother's Womb. Attended 1990 World Series Game 2 as a 13 year old. Want to take my son to a a World Series Game in Cincinnati in my lifetime.

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