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Old 10-10-2012, 04:51 PM   #241
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Here's what's going to happen -- the deeper the game goes, the more the pressure is going to build on the Reds. They're human, they can sense they're choking this whole thing away. They know Latos hasn't been feeling well, and they know Matt Cain is one of the best pitchers in baseball. They don't want this to go to a Game 5, where the chokejob can be complete and they'll be eliminated.

So they'll start to press.

And that plays right into the hands of a guy like Barry Zito, who is happy to spin up awful pitch after awful pitch.

And before you know it, the game is over and they've been shut out.
And here's the thing: Zito is a guy who is not very good, and the Reds just make guys like him look like Bob Gibson circa 1965.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:51 PM   #242
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Need BP to go deep here as he is oft to do against LHP
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He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:51 PM   #243
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I think Dusty wins in spite of himself sometimes. I'm a fan, but last night Aroldis Chapman should have faced Buster posey, and it's hings like that that get me down on him. And Rolen lost his job in May. Yet there he was, healthy as a tomcat.....
If Dusty wins in spite of himself, then presumably a GOOD manager would have won 105 games this season.

He's brought the team a long way, and they are still playing ball on October 10. Cut the guy some slack.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:51 PM   #244
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Then quit watching and come back tomorrow if you're so certain.
I was going to suggest starting a Game 5 thread.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:52 PM   #245
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Which is why he should never have been put in this spot.

The Reds understood this when they left him off the post-season roster.
Yep. Should have started Latos. I don't understand this logic (and I like Leake... just not in this spot)
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Here's what's going to happen -- the deeper the game goes, the more the pressure is going to build on the Reds. They're human, they can sense they're choking this whole thing away. They know Latos hasn't been feeling well, and they know Matt Cain is one of the best pitchers in baseball. They don't want this to go to a Game 5, where the chokejob can be complete and they'll be eliminated.

So they'll start to press.

And that plays right into the hands of a guy like Barry Zito, who is happy to spin up awful pitch after awful pitch.

And before you know it, the game is over and they've been shut out over the remainder of the game.

This isn't a mid 2000's Reds team. I don't think there is a single guy in this lineup that is afraid to face Matt Cain at this point. And I don't think there is a single guy that is thinking this game is already over.
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If Dusty wins in spite of himself, then presumably a GOOD manager would have won 105 games this season.

He's brought the team a long way, and they are still playing ball on October 10. Cut the guy some slack.
They won a great number of those games with Todd Frazier at third base.
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Also I hate to remind everyone of this, even if we chase Zito, the Giants have a multiple Cy Young winner in the pen.
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Yep. Should have started Latos. I don't understand this logic (and I like Leake... just not in this spot)
Well- would you rather have Mat Latos not at full strength today and then Mike Leake for the defining game five?
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I think Dusty wins in spite of himself sometimes. I'm a fan, but last night Aroldis Chapman should have faced Buster posey, and it's hings like that that get me down on him. And Rolen lost his job in May. Yet there he was, healthy as a tomcat.....
If Rolen lost his job in May, why didn't Frazier lose it back in September?

Why would you bring back Chapman for a second inning reducing his availability(or at least effectiveness) if he's needed to pitch tonight? The strategy changes dramatically when you have no idea if him pitching a 10th inning will actually lead to a win.
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Yep. Should have started Latos. I don't understand this logic (and I like Leake... just not in this spot)
Latos wasn't feeling well yesterday. He's never started on three days rest.

The decision is understandable.

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Old 10-10-2012, 04:53 PM   #254
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I just want to know why Dusty doesn't have someone warming in the pen. 1 more run and definitely 2 more runs and you're really putting a lot of pressure on the offense. Leake hasn't fooled anyone. His pitches are getting hit. Hard.
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Also I hate to remind everyone of this, even if we chase Zito, the Giants have a multiple Cy Young winner in the pen.
With a 5+ ERA this year...
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