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cincrazy · 01-05-2013, 01:57 PM

In Buster Olney's column this morning, and unknown AL evaluator had this to say about the Reds: "I don't necessarily drink the Reds Kool-Aid. They are losing the Astros from their schedule." He notes that although the Reds won 97 games, there were seven teams with a better run differential than the Reds last year.

I mean... what? That's your reasoning? They lose the Astros from their schedule? There are some really, really stupid people in the game of baseball that have really, really important jobs. Kind of scary if you ask me.

CySeymour · 01-05-2013, 02:03 PM

I think it is valid to note they won't be playing 18 games versus the Astros. Their run differential last season had them as a 91 win team, so there is some evidence to suggest they were a bit lucky last year.

cincrazy · 01-05-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CySeymour

I think it is valid to note they won't be playing 18 games versus the Astros. Their run differential last season had them as a 91 win team, so there is some evidence to suggest they were a bit lucky last year.

However, they were 10-5 against the Astros. They didn't own them anymore than you'd expect to own a bad team. I'm not saying it won't play a factor in their win total, maybe a few games, but you don't buy into them for that reason? That's the only reason you give? Just silly to me.

reds1869 · 01-05-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cincrazy

However, they were 10-5 against the Astros. They didn't own them anymore than you'd expect to own a bad team. I'm not saying it won't play a factor in their win total, maybe a few games, but you don't buy into them for that reason? That's the only reason you give? Just silly to me.

Not only that, the Reds added a leadoff man who has been a six win player in the past. That is a pretty substantial upgrade. Basing predictions solely on the Astros is silly.

hebroncougar · 01-05-2013, 02:13 PM

Is the unknown evaluator from the Astros? Twins? Seattle? Anytime someone doesn't have the guts to attach their name to something, hard to give it credence.

New Fever · 01-05-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cincrazy

However, they were 10-5 against the Astros. They didn't own them anymore than you'd expect to own a bad team. I'm not saying it won't play a factor in their win total, maybe a few games, but you don't buy into them for that reason? That's the only reason you give? Just silly to me.

Exactly, I read the article yesterday and I was thinking the same thing. The Reds were 87-60 versus everyone else.

Steve4192 · 01-05-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CySeymour

I think it is valid to note they won't be playing 18 games versus the Astros.

Why?

Everyone else in the division got to play them 18 times too. In terms of winning the Central, losing the Astros has no impact whatsoever. It might have some impact on the wild card spots, but if the Reds take care of business in the division it won't matter.

Superdude · 01-05-2013, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve4192

Why?

Everyone else in the division got to play them 18 times too. In terms of winning the Central, losing the Astros has no impact whatsoever. It might have some impact on the wild card spots, but if the Reds take care of business in the division it won't matter.

Exactly. I don't know why this keeps getting brought up as if we were the only team that played the Astros last year.

dougdirt · 01-05-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hebroncougar

Is the unknown evaluator from the Astros? Twins? Seattle? Anytime someone doesn't have the guts to attach their name to something, hard to give it credence.

Like it or not, there it's a reason names are never attached to these kinds of things. So you can never really take anything they say seriously, or just look at it and decide if there is something there or not.

_Sir_Charles_ · 01-05-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CySeymour

I think it is valid to note they won't be playing 18 games versus the Astros. Their run differential last season had them as a 91 win team, so there is some evidence to suggest they were a bit lucky last year.

FWIW, we do still play the Astros this coming season. 3 times late in the year.

Strikes Out Looking · 01-05-2013, 04:34 PM

Are the Cardinals not playing the Astros 18 times either?

Tom Servo · 01-05-2013, 06:36 PM

AL evaluator can suck it.

CySeymour · 01-06-2013, 01:41 AM

It's not that I agree with the guy. I was just saying I could see where it could be argued the Reds weren't really as good as there win total. My personal opinion is this team is about a 94 win team for 2013.

Kc61 · 01-06-2013, 01:59 AM

Like it or not, the Reds played in a division with two of the worst teams in baseball last year, the Astros and Cubs, and beat them handily. The Reds were still the best team in the Central in the regular season. But all the many games against the Stros and Cubs obviously helped them amass 97 wins.

I still think the Reds should win the division in 2013 but with the Astros out of the division, and if the Cubs improve, I think the Reds will have quite a bit more difficulty winning as many games as last season.

RedLegsToday · 01-06-2013, 07:53 AM

vs Cubs/Astros in '12

Reds 22-9
Cards 21-11
Brewers 22-12
Pirates 20-13

Not seeing the Reds huge advantage. It's the Brewers fault they only went 9-8 against the 'Stros!

01-05-2013, 01:57 PM	#1
cincrazy Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Vienna, OH Posts: 4,135	AL evaluator critique of the Reds In Buster Olney's column this morning, and unknown AL evaluator had this to say about the Reds: "I don't necessarily drink the Reds Kool-Aid. They are losing the Astros from their schedule." He notes that although the Reds won 97 games, there were seven teams with a better run differential than the Reds last year. I mean... what? That's your reasoning? They lose the Astros from their schedule? There are some really, really stupid people in the game of baseball that have really, really important jobs. Kind of scary if you ask me.

01-05-2013, 02:03 PM	#2
CySeymour .377 in 1905 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 1,486	Re: AL evaluator critique of the Reds I think it is valid to note they won't be playing 18 games versus the Astros. Their run differential last season had them as a 91 win team, so there is some evidence to suggest they were a bit lucky last year. __________________ ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

01-05-2013, 02:13 PM	#5
hebroncougar Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,017	Re: AL evaluator critique of the Reds Is the unknown evaluator from the Astros? Twins? Seattle? Anytime someone doesn't have the guts to attach their name to something, hard to give it credence.

01-05-2013, 04:34 PM	#11
Strikes Out Looking Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,267	Re: AL evaluator critique of the Reds Are the Cardinals not playing the Astros 18 times either? __________________ The Future Is Now!

01-05-2013, 06:36 PM	#12
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,417	Re: AL evaluator critique of the Reds AL evaluator can suck it. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

01-06-2013, 01:41 AM	#13
CySeymour .377 in 1905 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 1,486	Re: AL evaluator critique of the Reds It's not that I agree with the guy. I was just saying I could see where it could be argued the Reds weren't really as good as there win total. My personal opinion is this team is about a 94 win team for 2013. __________________ ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

01-06-2013, 01:59 AM	#14
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,845	Re: AL evaluator critique of the Reds Like it or not, the Reds played in a division with two of the worst teams in baseball last year, the Astros and Cubs, and beat them handily. The Reds were still the best team in the Central in the regular season. But all the many games against the Stros and Cubs obviously helped them amass 97 wins. I still think the Reds should win the division in 2013 but with the Astros out of the division, and if the Cubs improve, I think the Reds will have quite a bit more difficulty winning as many games as last season.

01-06-2013, 07:53 AM	#15
RedLegsToday Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Fairfield, OH Posts: 519	Re: AL evaluator critique of the Reds vs Cubs/Astros in '12 Reds 22-9 Cards 21-11 Brewers 22-12 Pirates 20-13 Not seeing the Reds huge advantage. It's the Brewers fault they only went 9-8 against the 'Stros!

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