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13 Belongs in Cooperstown
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Hall of Fame Class 2013
Nobody.
Before we even talk about the steroid guys I believe Biggio and Raines have to be Hall of Famers, and I don't really have a problem adding Jack Morris. But Nobody. Really, nobody?!?
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Join Date: Apr 2011
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Re: Hall of Fame Class 2013
i heard Aaron Sele got a vote
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Re: Hall of Fame Class 2013
Weak sauce in my book. If you've got the numbers, you should be in. Cooperstown is there to document the history of baseball and Bonds/Clemens (minimal) are a huge part of that history regardless of whether or not they were dirty. What's the plan? Let the BBWA stick our heads in the sand and pretend those years don't exist?
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Location: Terre Haute, In
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Re: Hall of Fame Class 2013
My thought is if you're talking about the HOF and you're asked if someone is worthy or not, and you have to think about it, then no they aren't. Biggio yes, Tim Raines no.
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Re: Hall of Fame Class 2013
See I don't have to think about Raines. One of the top 3 leadoff hitters of all-time (Henderson and Biggio being the other two). Good defensively, great on the bases, he was hurt by being an Expo for so long. Tim was clearly a great star; unfortunately for him, he was outshined by Ricky for the vast majority of his career.
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Re: Hall of Fame Class 2013
Are we sure Biggio was clean? He got noticeably bigger throughout his career. Honestly, do we really know anyone was clean?
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And what about Pete Rose? He was a decent leadoff hitter, no?
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Back to my point, Raines was the second best of his era (Rose's best years were behind him), and to say the fact that Ricky overshadowed him should prevent him from being in the HOF is like saying that since Clemens overshadowed Pedro and Maddox that they shouldn't be in. Not being the very best at your position doesn't mean your not a Hall of Famer; Thurmon Munson is a HOFer (Bench was better), Duke Snider is a HOFer and he was the third best CF in his city for much of his career. This is all my opinion, of course, and unless a lot of writers change their minds I will ultimately be wrong because Rock doesn't appear to be a likely HOFer. He will join Concepcion as two of the more egregious snubs.
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