2013 Bengals Discussion

[Boss-Hog]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

Obviously we want to keep as many of our good players as possible but for the sake of discussion, who's more valuable? Michael Johnson or Carlos Dunlap? I'd argue it's Dunlap. Sure he does take plays off but he's also a playmaker and you can give no higher compliment to any NFL player. When Dunlap makes plays, it's turnovers or drive stoppers.

Good question because you know they will not resign both of them; one at most. Johnson had a better year than Dunlap has ever had (though he's had an extra year), and Dunlap's nagging injuries and taking some plays off worry me some, but I'd still go with Dunlap.

[RiverRat13]

Originally Posted by Boss-Hog

Good question because you know they will not resign both of them; one at most. Johnson had a better year than Dunlap has ever had (though he's had an extra year), and Dunlap's nagging injuries and taking some plays off worry me some, but I'd still go with Dunlap.

If it ends up being an either/or proposition, it feels like Joseph vs. Hall part II... one guy being more talented but the other had a better track record of staying on the field. However, if John Clayton's cap numbers are right, it really shouldn't be either/or and the Bengals should be able to keep both Dunlap and Johnson.

[top6]

I think Dunlap v. Johnson is close. Hopefully, though, if they do have to decide between the two, they listen to Zimmer (assuming he's still here). I trust him to decide.

[bucksfan2]

Originally Posted by RiverRat13

If it ends up being an either/or proposition, it feels like Joseph vs. Hall part II... one guy being more talented but the other had a better track record of staying on the field. However, if John Clayton's cap numbers are right, it really shouldn't be either/or and the Bengals should be able to keep both Dunlap and Johnson.

Cap number will get awfully muddled when you look at extending Johnson, Smith, Adkins, Green, Dalton, Zeitler, etc. With 4 year rookie contracts and not being able to extend a player until after 3, you have to think a couple of years out when extending someone.

[Boss-Hog]

Originally Posted by RiverRat13

If it ends up being an either/or proposition, it feels like Joseph vs. Hall part II... one guy being more talented but the other had a better track record of staying on the field. However, if John Clayton's cap numbers are right, it really shouldn't be either/or and the Bengals should be able to keep both Dunlap and Johnson.

I've long thought exactly the same thing, and I suspect the Bengals will make the same (wrong) decision they did with the corners and resign Michael Johnson over Carlos Dunlap. Then again, unless Dunlap has a 2013 like Johnson did in 2012, Dunlap should come cheaper, and you know the organization likes that.

[Boss-Hog]

Originally Posted by top6

I think Dunlap v. Johnson is close. Hopefully, though, if they do have to decide between the two, they listen to Zimmer (assuming he's still here). I trust him to decide.

Though Leon stepped up very big at the end of this year, I hope Zimmer wasn't the one who chose Hall over Joseph.

[top6]

Originally Posted by Boss-Hog

Though Leon stepped up very big at the end of this year, I hope Zimmer wasn't the one who chose Hall over Joseph.

I seem to recall reading a lot of reports that Zimmer was very upset that Joseph left, and wanted to keep him. Not sure how that worked vis-a-vis Hall.

Really, the Bengals' failure to franchise Joseph is one of the all-time epic Mike Brown failings. It was simply a matter of being cheap. They could possibly have 1 or more playoff wins if they had kept Joseph.

[Boss-Hog]

Originally Posted by top6

I seem to recall reading a lot of reports that Zimmer was very upset that Joseph left, and wanted to keep him. Not sure how that worked vis-a-vis Hall.

Really, the Bengals' failure to franchise Joseph is one of the all-time epic Mike Brown failings. It was simply a matter of being cheap. They could possibly have 1 or more playoff wins if they had kept Joseph.

You're right - reports indicated he was upset because every indication he had received was that JJ was going to resign.

Even more disappointing to me about that situation was what John Thornton reported. He said he had heard what JJ was willing to sign for (with the Bengals) the year before he left, and Thornton couldn't believe how little he wanted (relatively speaking, of course). He then significantly increased his value by having a strong 2010 and priced his way right out of town.

[Ohayou]

RB coach Jim Anderson retires today.

[camisadelgolf]

I heard JJ gave the Bengals a chance to top the Texans' offer, and the Bengals declined. He left for the money, and it wasn't a huge amount by NFL standards ($1M/year or so iIrc). I think Mike Brown just hates paying players in the secondary. Well, he hates paying anyone, but I mean players in the secondary in particular.

[Boss-Hog]

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

I heard JJ gave the Bengals a chance to top the Texans' offer, and the Bengals declined. He left for the money, and it wasn't a huge amount by NFL standards ($1M/year or so iIrc). I think Mike Brown just hates paying players in the secondary. Well, he hates paying anyone, but I mean players in the secondary in particular.

I've heard that, too, but if Thornton is correct, they could have had him cheaper if they offered him an extension the year before.

[Matt700wlw]

Quite a list of RBs Jim Anderson coached, starting with James Brooks in 1984 and ending with BJGE in 2012, many times a strength on some really bad teams.

Coached under Sam Wyche, Dave Shula, Bruce Coslet, Dick LeBeau, and Marvin Lewis

All the best to him in retirement!

[bucksfan2]

Originally Posted by Matt700wlw

Quite a list of RBs Jim Anderson coached, starting with James Brooks in 1984 and ending with BJGE in 2012, many times a strength on some really bad teams.

Coached under Sam Wyche, Dave Shula, Bruce Coslet, Dick LeBeau, and Marvin Lewis

All the best to him in retirement!

I actually think this is a good thing. The Bengals have been pretty uninspiring at RB since Corey Dillon. They had Rudi and Ced and now BJGE but they remind me of good durable backs, not someone who is a home run hitter.

I guess my biggest complaint with the Bengals and RB is they have had a tough time finding a lesser round pick and getting that player PT. Just off the top of my head the Redskins were able to take a 6th round pick and turning him into a rushing leader. The Bengals had BJGE go down and inserted a ST player and a fullback over Herron. I don't know if the Bengals aren't fully ok with a RB going in whose pass blocking skills are less than stellar, but other teams seem to plug in RB's and succeed while the Bengals don't.

[CTA513]

according to PFT Hue Jackson will be taking over as RB coach.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...in-cincinnati/

[Redhook]

Originally Posted by CTA513

according to PFT Hue Jackson will be taking over as RB coach.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...in-cincinnati/

Very nice. Positioning himself to move into Gruden's spot next year.

Now, if Mikey Boy could just move Marvin to the front office and Zimmer to Head Coach, we'd be on to something special.