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klw · 01-18-2013, 05:48 PM

Bailey
https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/sta...97407763853315

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homer bailey files at $5.8M, #reds at $4.75M

Choo
https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/sta...97407763853315

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choo files at $8M, #reds at $6.75M

Hopefully they can tie Bailey up for a couple of extra years but i don't know how optimistic I am about it.

Scrap Irony · 01-18-2013, 05:53 PM

Bailey's numbers are close enough, IMO, to at least get a one-year deal done, if not the beginnings of an LTC.

I'd be pretty hard-line with Choo, as they're only going to have him for one year. (Though, to be fair, I can't see how he's worth less than $8 million.)

klw · 01-18-2013, 06:05 PM

Bailey made $2.425 in 2012 so even if he goes to arbitration and loses he will get a raise of at least $2.325.

bellhead · 01-18-2013, 07:39 PM

I'd offer Cho $33 million for three yearsand see what happens...

8, 12, 13....

Try to lock Baily and Latos down for the next 7 years...

Matt700wlw · 01-18-2013, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bellhead

I'd offer Cho $33 million for three yearsand see what happens...

8, 12, 13....

Try to lock Baily and Latos down for the next 7 years...

Choo's a one year rental. Very unlikely that happens. Yes, that's putting a lot of eggs in the Billy Hamilton basket, but that seems to be the plan/hope...

I'm not comfortable locking down any pitcher for 7 years, but if you can bypass the arbitration years, that would be a good thing.

11larkin11 · 01-18-2013, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt700wlw

Choo's a one year rental. Very unlikely that happens. Yes, that's putting a lot of eggs in the Billy Hamilton basket, but that seems to be the plan/hope...

I'm not comfortable locking down any pitcher for 7 years, but if you can bypass the arbitration years, that would be a good thing.

I agree its very unlikely to happen. But I'd also look to try to sign Choo up. When Billy is ready, Choo moves to left and Ludwick becomes a great bench bat and fills in for Choo/Bruce against tough lefties. Would LOVE to see it happen, but I doubt it would. Walt said as much when he announced the trade.

_Sir_Charles_ · 01-18-2013, 08:59 PM

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Mike Leake filed for $3.5MM while the Reds offered $2.65MM, according to CBSSports.com.

Chris Heisey filed for $1.65MM while the Reds offered $1.05MM, according to CBSSports.com.

Alfredo Simon filed for $1.05MM while the Reds countered with $750K, according to CBSSports.com.

Homer Bailey filed at $5.8MM and the Reds filed at $4.75MM, Heyman tweets.

Shin-Soo Choo filed at $8MM and the Reds offered $6.75MM, Heyman tweets.

Mat Latos asked for $4.7MM and the Reds offered $4.15MM, Heyman tweets.

AmarilloRed · 01-18-2013, 09:28 PM

That's 25 million in arbitration if the Reds players get everything they want-but how often do the Reds actually go all the way through the arbitration process.

RedLegsToday · 01-19-2013, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AmarilloRed

That's 25 million in arbitration if the Reds players get everything they want-but how often do the Reds actually go all the way through the arbitration process.

Almost never. You'll see the Reds and the players end up splitting the difference for most of them. Maybe Bailey and Latos get longer deals this year. I'd find a way to sign Choo long term also. He's younger and better than Ludwick.

mth123 · 01-19-2013, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RedLegsToday

Almost never. You'll see the Reds and the players end up splitting the difference for most of them. Maybe Bailey and Latos get longer deals this year. I'd find a way to sign Choo long term also. He's younger and better than Ludwick.

Choo is a Boras client and will be looking for the deal of his life after the season. The Reds have Ludwick signed and a top prospect waiting in the wings to take Choo's spot. I'll happily take his big year drive for his next deal and move on. If he signs all the better, but its not a must do and not very likely IMO.

Chip R · 01-19-2013, 11:00 AM

All those figures that the players are asking seem pretty reasonable. No one's looking to break the bank.

I can't remember the last time the Reds actually went to arbitration with a player. Maybe about 10 years or so ago.

_Sir_Charles_ · 01-19-2013, 11:43 AM

Yep. 2004 Chris Reitsma was the last time.

bellhead · 01-19-2013, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mth123

Choo is a Boras client and will be looking for the deal of his life after the season. The Reds have Ludwick signed and a top prospect waiting in the wings to take Choo's spot. I'll happily take his big year drive for his next deal and move on. If he signs all the better, but its not a must do and not very likely IMO.

Forgot about the Boras part... Just lowball him in arbitration.

mth123 · 01-19-2013, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bellhead

Forgot about the Boras part... Just lowball him in arbitration.

Sign him for 2013 using the $3 Million the Indians sent along with him and then make a qualifying offer after the season and get the draft pick. Even if Choo wins his arb case. he'd only cost a net $5 Million which is only a couple million more than they would have paid Stubbs to stink up the joint.

VR · 01-19-2013, 03:03 PM

I'd just love to see this sometime.

Bailey filed for 4M, Reds countered with 5M. Arbitration hearing likely.

01-18-2013, 05:53 PM	#2
Scrap Irony Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Bedford, KY Posts: 8,992	Re: Reds arbitration #'s Bailey's numbers are close enough, IMO, to at least get a one-year deal done, if not the beginnings of an LTC. I'd be pretty hard-line with Choo, as they're only going to have him for one year. (Though, to be fair, I can't see how he's worth less than $8 million.) __________________ "You can learn little from victory. You can learn everything from defeat." -- Christy Matthewson "Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot." -- Leo Durocher

01-18-2013, 06:05 PM	#3
klw Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New England Posts: 4,296	Re: Reds arbitration #'s Bailey made $2.425 in 2012 so even if he goes to arbitration and loses he will get a raise of at least $2.325.

01-18-2013, 07:39 PM	#4
bellhead Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 557	Re: Reds arbitration #'s I'd offer Cho $33 million for three yearsand see what happens... 8, 12, 13.... Try to lock Baily and Latos down for the next 7 years... Last edited by bellhead; 01-18-2013 at 07:42 PM.

01-18-2013, 09:28 PM	#8
AmarilloRed Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Amarillo,Texas Posts: 3,997	Re: Reds arbitration #'s That's 25 million in arbitration if the Reds players get everything they want-but how often do the Reds actually go all the way through the arbitration process.

01-19-2013, 11:00 AM	#11
Chip R Rally Onion! Join Date: May 2000 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 33,221	Re: Reds arbitration #'s All those figures that the players are asking seem pretty reasonable. No one's looking to break the bank. I can't remember the last time the Reds actually went to arbitration with a player. Maybe about 10 years or so ago. __________________ The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

01-19-2013, 11:43 AM	#12
_Sir_Charles_ 2013 NL MVP and WS MVP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 6,376	Re: Reds arbitration #'s Yep. 2004 Chris Reitsma was the last time. __________________

01-19-2013, 03:03 PM	#15
VR Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Vancouver, Wa Posts: 8,216	Re: Reds arbitration #'s I'd just love to see this sometime. Bailey filed for 4M, Reds countered with 5M. Arbitration hearing likely. __________________ “Our team is a team full of fighters. They never panic. We don't necessarily get all the hits we want all the time, but we find a way to win.” – Dusty Baker

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