4.14.13 Reds v. Pirates ("Can we please win one?" Edition)

[NebraskaRed]

reds lineup:
Choo 8,
Cozart 6,
Votto 3,
Phillips 4,
Bruce 9,
Frazier 5,
Heisey 7,
Hanigan 2,
Latos RHP

Cozart stays at 2, Phillips returns.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pirates lineup:

Starling Marte LF
Travis Snider RF
Andrew McCutchen CF
Garrett Jones 1B
Neil Walker 2B
Pedro Alvarez 3B
Michael McKenry C
John McDonald SS
Phil Irwin P

[Gizmo]

I feel good about today.

[texasdave]

Phil Irwin is making his major league debut.

[Falcon7]

Hi-C and Hanigan both starting! WHY?? I guess Hoover will also be pitching in a crucial situation. Dusty is consistent...

[Raisor]

Hi-C and Hanigan both starting! WHY?? I guess Hoover will also be pitching in a crucial situation. Dusty is consistent...

He's not the only one.

[LeDoux]

They are playing yesterday's interview with Dusty on the pregame show. Unless, Phillips is out again.

[757690]

Phil Irwin is making his major league debut.

Given the Reds history against pitchers making their major league debut, I'm not excited about this game. Shawn Boskie still haunts my dreams.

[WebScorpion]

Nice uni's! Who's that catching in place of Manny Sanguillen? :lol:

[BCubb2003]

Given the Reds history against pitchers making their major league debut, I'm not excited about this game. Shawn Boskie still haunts my dreams.

I wonder if it's a weakness in scouting, or something.

[nate]

Chat is open!

[WebScorpion]

Choo almost tooks the kid's shin out with that comebacker...single up the middle to start us off! :clap:

[edabbs44]

This feels like a spot for JV to drive one.

[757690]

I wonder if it's a weakness in scouting, or something.

Pretty much my entire life, the Reds have been free swingers. That does work well against guys you see for the first time.

[757690]

Choo singles
Cozart walks

First and second, no one out for Votto

[Gizmo]

This feels like a spot for JV to drive one.

gotta get one over the plate first

[757690]

Bases drunk with Reds, no one out, for Phillips.

[Gizmo]

yay a hit with risp

[NebraskaRed]

First hit since Monday with RISP??

[Kc61]

Had Phillips played last night, the Reds might have won.

Bruce DP, just so the Reds fans won't get too cocky.

[TheBigLebowski]

Oh, Jay..

[malcontent]

Alvarez looks good at 3B.

[PuffyPig]

Bruce hitting the ball well, just got very unlucky like last night.

[Gizmo]

and here's the part where we make him cy young

[Reds Freak]

Oh, Jay..

??? Sounded like he scorched it, just right to the SS..

[TheBigLebowski]

First pitch hacking against a guy you've never seen who can't find the plate is always a bad idea in my book.

[757690]

Bruce scorched the ball, but Pirates had him,played perfectly, SS almost on the second base bag. That goes through, game could be a blow out.

[Kc61]

??? Sounded like he scorched it, just right to the SS..

It was a hard hit grounder. But it was a routine double play ball, I wouldn't get excited that Bruce is "scorching" the ball.

Bruce's opposite field hitting is particularly helpful on the road. Traditionally, Jay hits much better at home.

At GABP, I hope he still pulls the ball on occasion, would hate to see him lose too much power by his new approach.

[TheBigLebowski]

Bruce scorched the ball, but Pirates had him,played perfectly, SS almost on the second base bag. That goes through, game could be a blow out.

There's no doubt that we simply haven't been getting the breaks in this series.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Oh, Jay..

To be fair, Jay smoked that one. Bucs defense aligned perfectly though.

Oops, 757690 had that one covered. :O)

[NebraskaRed]

No idea why Frazier was playing that far in, but good work!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hanny! The RIFLE!

[Kc61]

Nice throw to get Snider at third. Hanigan can throw. Excellent.

[reds1869]

Nice throw from Hanigan. I love watching him behind the plate.

[NebraskaRed]

Whatever flaws he's having at bat, Hanny is solid behind the plate

[Tom Servo]

So what you will about Dusty, at least he is not Clint Hurdle.

[Kc61]

I would like the Reds to win this game by 15 runs. Just to let the Pirates know this all has been a fluke.

[TheBigLebowski]

Sweet inning. Thought we were about to give one, if not both of those runs, right back.

[757690]

So what you will about Dusty, at least he is not Clint Hurdle.

Funny, they are almost identical managers in my mind. They make in game decisions that make your head explode, but are great handling a clubhouse. Players will run through walls for them.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hi-C leads off the second with a solid single to left

[WebScorpion]

So what you will about Dusty, at least he is not Clint Hurdle.Snider was really slow on that steal...he got a huge jump and was still out by a good foot or two. With one out, it seemed like the right time to steal...just not sure about Snider's capability to do it. To be fair, Hanny made a textbook throw to third on that...took a big step out accross the plate and gunned it to a spot right in front of the bag. All-around good baseball IMO. :thumbup:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hanny with the BB. 2 on 0 outs for Latos.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Crap. Bunt popped up to C. 1 down.

[1940757690]

I'm not a big fan of Heisey being in the lineup most days and as high as he usually is. That said, if he'd do this to a .300 level (with good SB percentage), I'd change my mind.

[WebScorpion]

What?!? Our leadoff hitter is actually leading the team in hits? Is this the Bizarro Reds? :laugh:

[Red in Chicago]

you just can't say enough positive things about choo at the plate...

[_Sir_Charles_]

Choo!!! RBI single. Error on outfielder plates Hanny too. 4-0 Reds. Choo to second on the Marte E.

[757690]

Choo two for two, driving in two.

[1940757690]

Nice. Nice. Nice. Choo for Rockstar of the Spring.

[Tom Servo]

I love Choo.

[WebScorpion]

I'm not a big fan of Heisey being in the lineup most days and as high as he usually is. That said, if he'd do this to a .300 level (with good SB percentage), I'd change my mind.Don't get too excited about the SB. That catcher had nothing on his throw...does he have a noodle arm or was that just a misfire? :dunno:

[TheBigLebowski]

CHOOO

[Ohayou]

I love Choo.

Choo can say that again.

[BCubb2003]

I can't think of another deal that has worked so well, so quickly, so consistently as Choo.

[Tom Servo]

Choo can say that again.
Don't Choo start.

[1940757690]

you just can't say enough positive things about choo at the plate...

Absolutely but until that changes which, of course, it inevitably will. Have to always look across a body of work. Sometimes we (me very much included) focus on current game/current week too much. So far though, Choo has been a godsend for this team. Looking for another (hello, JV? JB? CH?) to step up for a few weeks or more to keep us at the top of the standings.

Now let's hold and build upon this lead!

[1940757690]

Don't get too excited about the SB. That catcher had nothing on his throw...does he have a noodle arm or was that just a misfire? :dunno:

Not too excited. Just giving the barest of credit. Heisey's never going to be a 40HR guy so he needs to be a better OBP guy. And if he can steal a few dozen bases or more, that'd justify a starting role imho. Big if, though. Why I haven't been an advocate of him batting so high in the batting order or every day.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Boneheaded move on the bases by Choo....but considering what he's already done with the bat...he gets a pass. :O)

[_Sir_Charles_]

2 hard hit deep drives to Heisey

[Kc61]

Absolutely but until that changes which, of course, it inevitably will. Have to always look across a body of work. Sometimes we (me very much included) focus on current game/current week too much. So far though, Choo has been a godsend for this team. Looking for another (hello, JV? JB? CH?) to step up for a few weeks or more to keep us at the top of the standings.

Now let's hold and build upon this lead!

If you're looking for CH to step up and keep the Reds at the top of the standings, I assume the Reds have traded for Chase Headley.

[WebScorpion]

If you're looking for CH to step up and keep the Reds at the top of the standings, I assume the Reds have traded for Chase Headley.
:ughmamoru:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Latos lets Alvarez get away from him. 2 out BB.

[1940757690]

If you're looking for CH to step up and keep the Reds at the top of the standings, I assume the Reds have traded for Chase Headley.

Literally LOL. Nope, not looking for or expecting that. Just said I'd expect that as a precondition to Heisey keeping a spot in the lineup over the next several months and beyond. Wouldn't bet on that happening. But if he did get the BA and OBP up significantly, I would change my generally pessimistic view about him. What I did with Ian Desmond last year coming off the lackluster 2011 campaign in DC.

[1940757690]

Hmmm, Latos has never lost to the Bucs. Useful and interesting stat there.

[_Sir_Charles_]

KK

4-0 Reds after 2 full

[_Sir_Charles_]

Apparently, according to Fay, LeCure was unavailable last night. So that gives us a better reason why we saw Simon, Hoover & Parra. I didn't catch WHY he was unavailable though. Did anybody?

[PuffyPig]

Oh, Jay..

You have something about ballplayers smoking the ball?

You cab hit the ball hard, but you can never, in baseball, guarantee that you will get a great result every time.

It is simply foolish to criticize a player for hitting the ball extremely hard into bad luck.

[WebScorpion]

Latos lets Alvarez get away from him. 2 out BB.Looked like he was having trouble locating his curve against Alvarez...the 3-2 pitch was a curve that was way outside. Then he punched out McHenry with two straight knee-bucklers that McHenry had no chance with. Mat is going to be tough on these Buccos with a 4-run lead. GO REDS!! :beerme:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Phillips pops out to right. 1 down.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Jay's going deep today. Book it.

[WebScorpion]

You have something about ballplayers smoking the ball?

You cab hit the ball hard, but you can never, in baseball, guarantee that you will get a great result every time.

It is simply foolish to criticize a player for hitting the ball extremely hard into bad luck.I'm sure it was the first pitch swinging that he was being criticized for, not the scorcher that was nabbed. ;)

[757690]

Apparently, according to Fay, LeCure was unavailable last night. So that gives us a better reason why we saw Simon, Hoover & Parra. I didn't catch WHY he was unavailable though. Did anybody?

The report I saw simply said "soreness."

[1940757690]

Anyone catch what Latos' velocity has been trending so far? Tougher to glean from mlbtv.com for me.

[_Sir_Charles_]

2 down after Bruce K's swinging.

[_Sir_Charles_]

The report I saw simply said "soreness."

Thanks.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Anyone catch what Latos' velocity has been trending so far? Tougher to glean from mlbtv.com for me.

Low 90's. 90-92'ish. But a solid 10 mph difference on the slider.

[NebraskaRed]

Now let's see Hannigan break his hit-less streak

[_Sir_Charles_]

Frazier with the 2 out single.

[TheBigLebowski]

You have something about ballplayers smoking the ball?

You cab hit the ball hard, but you can never, in baseball, guarantee that you will get a great result every time.

It is simply foolish to criticize a player for hitting the ball extremely hard into bad luck.

You can NEVER criticize a poster for criticizing a player when that event never actually happened. THAT is foolish.

I was lamenting the fact that he was up there first pitch-swinging in that situation.

And that ball was hardly "smoked."

[WebScorpion]

Anyone catch what Latos' velocity has been trending so far? Tougher to glean from mlbtv.com for me.Off the top of my head, I think I saw some 93's and 94's.

[_Sir_Charles_]

SB without a throw.

[_Sir_Charles_]

And that ball was hardly "smoked."

Go back and look at that one again. Yeah, he smoked it.

Heisey K's to end the inning.

[WebScorpion]

Frazier with the 2 out single.That was a pretty piece of hitting there. He took an inside curve to the opposite field...good to see from Tood who was in a mini-slump. :clap:

[1940757690]

Now THAT'S the Heisey we've seen too often so far this year. Inning-ending.

[WebScorpion]

SB without a throw.He was over halfway there before the ball left the kid's hand...he's reaaalllly slow to the plate. :eek:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Lead off single up the middle from Mickey-D's.

[1940757690]

Off the top of my head, I think I saw some 93's and 94's.

Muchas gracias.

[_Sir_Charles_]

He was over halfway there before the ball left the kid's hand...he's reaaalllly slow to the plate. :eek:

Yes he is, but he also never looked over. That's what allowed the steal IMO.

[_Sir_Charles_]

If he rushes in just a BIT more, Todd could catch the pitch from Latos. Sheesh!

[_Sir_Charles_]

KKK

[Raisor]

KKK

Racist.

[_Sir_Charles_]

KKKK

[VottoFan54]

That last K was a 94 MPH fastball.

[Raisor]

I'm thinking about stabbing by ear drums with a corkscrew.

[WebScorpion]

If he rushes in just a BIT more, Todd could catch the pitch from Latos. Sheesh!I feel kind of bad for the Irwin kid...bunt striking out. :eek: But he's on the other team, so too bad! :lol:

[WildcatFan]

Nice pitch. 94 and up.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Racist.

Sorry Raisor, that comment will cost you ONE Nobel Prize. Hand it over. :p

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'm thinking about stabbing by ear drums with a corkscrew.

I'm listening to WLW, but I'll assume that Case is in the booth again today? :O)

[_Sir_Charles_]

KKKKK

Solid bounce back from the leadoff single. Latos looking VERY good.

[New York Red]

I'm listening to WLW, but I'll assume that Case is in the booth again today? :O)
Yes, unfortunately.

[Tom Servo]

here's my impression of Sean Casey: ahuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhu

[1940757690]

Latos looking great. Which, of course, just pisses me off thinking back to how he pitched in the LDS last fall. But that's in the past. It's a new season. We're in 2nd place and looking good today. Yeah, that's the spirit. :thumbup:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Okay, it was fun toying with this kid...but it's time to knock him out of this game.

[Raisor]

I'm listening to WLW, but I'll assume that Case is in the booth again today? :O)

I'm listening to the Pirates broadcasters.

My shrink won't let me listen to Casey.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ryan pops out to 1st.

[NebraskaRed]

I'm listening to the Pirates broadcasters.

My shrink won't let me listen to Casey.

Hah, I was just thinking that Casey is starting to grow on me

[_Sir_Charles_]

Latos grounds out to 1st. Quickly 2 down for Choo.

[Raisor]

Hah, I was just thinking that Casey is starting to grow on me

they have medicine for that.

[1940757690]

Geez. Hanigan's ba just dropped with that out...from .038 :help:

[TheBigLebowski]

Gotta head out...here's to the Reds closing this one up...happy Sunday, all.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ground out to Walker. 1-2-3 go the Redlegs.

[1940757690]

Nice play by the Bucs to get Choo. Easier to be gracious when up 4-0 :thumbup:

[Raisor]

On the whole, I love MLB.tv.
The commercials make me want to take hostages.

If I have to see the Bo Jackson Five Hour Energy Drink commercial again, I'm going to be on the news.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Geez. Hanigan's ba just dropped with that out...from .038 :help:

He is second on the team in walks. So it's not ALL bad.

[_Sir_Charles_]

McCutchen grounds out to Cozart. 1 down.

[PuffyPig]

You can NEVER criticize a poster for criticizing a player when that event never actually happened. THAT is foolish.

I was lamenting the fact that he was up there first pitch-swinging in that situation.

And that ball was hardly "smoked."

There is nothing wrong with swinging at a first pitch when you get your pitch and you smoke it.

And it was smoked.

BTW, to you lament first pitch swinging when the result is favourable?

[_Sir_Charles_]

2 ip, 0 hits, 0 runs, 0 bb, 5 k's from Cingrani today thus far.

[NebraskaRed]

Tempting to read too much into Cingrani being pulled after 2 innings. Obviously, they're bringing him up just in case, but that doesn't mean they know any more about Cueto's arm

[WildcatFan]

Kelch said Cingrani was pulled after two innings. Callup imminent?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Another grounder to Cozy. 2 down.

[WebScorpion]

2 ip, 0 hits, 0 runs, 0 bb, 5 k's from Cingrani today thus far....and they pulled him. If Cueto's injury is serious, Tony will be in Cincy soon. :thumbup:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Kelch said Cingrani was pulled after two innings. Callup imminent?

I didn't hear that. I just saw the graphic. If I had to guess, they're playing it safe in case a call up is needed.

[1940757690]

On the whole, I love MLB.tv.
The commercials make me want to take hostages.

If I have to see the Bo Jackson Five Hour Energy Drink commercial again, I'm going to be on the news.

Bigtime agree. Though some god of baseball broadcasting must hover over the DC area because the commercials tend to freeze most of the time when I'm watching on MLBtv.com but the game transmission works well. Hopefully my sharing that won't prompt the mlb folks to "fix" anything. :)


He is second on the team in walks. So it's not ALL bad.

Fair point. OBP absolutely matters so long as others are there to drive people in. Others like JV and JB, right? Even on a good day like today (so far), I find myself worrying about stuff like whether JV is going to be the same as he was and whether TF will consistently perform like I know he can. For other threads, I know.

[WildcatFan]

Nice snag by Todd. He really put some oomph on that throw wide.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Great snag by Todd but the throw was way off line. Safe at first. E or IF single?

Looks like they're ruling it a single. Probably the right call.

[WildcatFan]

Great snag by Todd but the throw was way off line. Safe at first. E or IF single?

Hit.

[Krawhitham]

I see on the bottom scroll that Austin Kearns hospitalized with irregular heartbeat

[1940757690]

...and they pulled him. If Cueto's injury is serious, Tony will be in Cincy soon. :thumbup:

Hate the thought of Cueto missing signficant time. Love the thought of Cingrani making a first-of-2013 start in the next week. Oh, I'm sooo torn. :duel:

[WildcatFan]

I see on the bottom scroll that Austin Kearns hospitalized with irregular heartbeat

That guy has had quite a tough road since The Trade.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Tapper back to Latos to end the inning. 4-0 it remains.

[WebScorpion]

Kelch said Cingrani was pulled after two innings. Callup imminent?...and I had just pulled the game up on MiLB.tv to watch him. :angry: Bats are up 2-0 in the 4th, BTW. :thumbup:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cingrani was on a 45 pitch count today regardless of the Cueto results. Just in case he's needed. He threw 41.

[1940757690]

Tapper back to Latos to end the inning. 4-0 it remains.

Are you watching mlb.tv also? Your feed is at least 2 min ahead of mine. Odd.

[WebScorpion]

Hate the thought of Cueto missing signficant time. Love the thought of Cingrani making a first-of-2013 start in the next week. Oh, I'm sooo torn. :duel:Here's the dream scenario: Cueto with a minor tricep muscle tweak sits out 2 starts, Cingrani pitches fantastically in his absence and joins the rotation permanently. Jocketty finds a way to get something of value for Arroyo or Leake. :thumbup: The win-win-win scenario! :D

[_Sir_Charles_]

Did anybody hear that story Marty just told about the fans behind home plate at the Diamondbacks game? Good lord. 3500 per ticket, dodger fans wearing dodger gear. The Diamondback owner came down and asked them to take off the dodger gear because they're on camera all game. They refused. So he came back and offered them free DBacks gear to wear or they had to move. I would've been PISSED if I was that fan.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Are you watching mlb.tv also? Your feed is at least 2 min ahead of mine. Odd.

Yeah. Cincy feed on mute. Listening to WLW on mlb audio. Shockingly enough, they're pretty synced up.

[1940757690]

Here's the dream scenario: Cueto with a minor tricep muscle tweak sits out 2 starts, Cingrani pitches fantastically in his absence and joins the rotation permanently. Jocketty finds a way to get something of value for Arroyo or Leake. :thumbup: The win-win-win scenario! :D

Love it. Dream baby, dream. :thumbup:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Votto swipes 2nd.

[NJReds]

Votto has walked more times this year than the entire White Sox team. (So i heard on the Reds broadcast)

[Raisor]

Votto helping my fantasy team with a SB

[NebraskaRed]

Guys, this one is hard to believe but Votto got a walk! Weird...

[1940757690]

Yeah. Cincy feed on mute. Listening to WLW on mlb audio. Shockingly enough, they're pretty synced up.

Interesting. Doesn't make a lot of sense that the video would be two minutes different from Houston to DC. ISP issue no doubt.

[WebScorpion]

I think it's time for a Joey Votto stolen base. ;)

[_Sir_Charles_]

BP with a single. Votto scores!!! 5-0 Reds!

Surprising Joey scored there because he had to dodge back towards the bag to avoid the liner from Phillips.

Brandon went to 2nd on the throw btw.

[WebScorpion]

I think it's time for a Joey Votto stolen base. ;)Yes, I'm psycho...er, psychic! :D

[1940757690]

Guys, this one is hard to believe but Votto got a walk! Weird...

Great that his OBP is large but that's not his role and not why he got the contract he did. He needs to be hitting and hitting big. And, if there's a medical reason why he's not, that should be acknowledged and addressed.

Hey, SB for JV there.

[Raisor]

walks. will. haunt.

[NebraskaRed]

Great that his OBP is large but that's not his role and not why he got the contract he did. He needs to be hitting and hitting big. And, if there's a medical reason why he's not, that should be acknowledged and addressed.

Hey, SB for JV there.

If there is some medical reason, how do you know it's not being addressed? Do they have to make everything public?

His walk just resulted in a run scored.

[Raisor]

Great that his OBP is large but that's not his role and not why he got the contract he did. He needs to be hitting and hitting big. .

There is nothing more important then getting on base.

[WildcatFan]

Guys, this one is hard to believe but Votto got a walk! Weird...

Still three bags short of a home run. Bum.

[Kc61]

Great that his OBP is large but that's not his role and not why he got the contract he did. He needs to be hitting and hitting big. And, if there's a medical reason why he's not, that should be acknowledged and addressed.

Hey, SB for JV there.

What evidence is there of a medical issue?

The guy isn't getting anything to hit. Joey walks all the time because they walk him all the time.

In such cases, you need other guys to make the opposition pay. Phillips just did.

[RedsBrick]

good to have bphil back!

[NJReds]

Great that his OBP is large but that's not his role and not why he got the contract he did. He needs to be hitting and hitting big. And, if there's a medical reason why he's not, that should be acknowledged and addressed.

Hey, SB for JV there.

The reason is that most teams would rather face whoever is batting behind him, and JV won't get himself out by swinging at bad pitches.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Here's that story Marty was talking about.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/diamondbacks-owner-forces-dodgers-fans-change-clothes-move-201010214--mlb.html

[_Sir_Charles_]

Darn. Bruce K's swinging. Solid ab though. 11 pitch ab. And with that Irwin's day is done.

Jeanmar Gomez in.

[1940757690]

Fair questions both. My answers:


If there is some medical reason, how do you know it's not being addressed? Do they have to make everything public?

His walk just resulted in a run scored.

Not everything but, nearly all the time, why not be transparent? Transparency is almost always the better policy imho. Helps fans, who invest a ton of energy and time in the game, to be more supportive and better fans.


There is nothing more important then getting on base.

Uh, yeah there is: scoring runs. I don't want to be the LOB leader, you know? Know Votto just scored and today's a good day so far but the point is you position the OBP guys high and the RBI guys middle order for a reason. You also pay 'em that way as we have. I love that Votto is contributing as he is and just hope he gets back in the RBI business as we all want him to and as he's paid to do.

[757690]

Here's that story Marty was talking about.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/diamondbacks-owner-forces-dodgers-fans-change-clothes-move-201010214--mlb.html

Between this and the lineup stunt Gibson pulled in spring training, D-Backs should change their name to *****s.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Frazier flies out to right to end the inning. But we play a bit of add on to bump it to 5-0 good guys.

Latos at 58 pitches btw.

[NebraskaRed]

Between this and the lineup stunt Gibson pulled in spring training, D-Backs should change their name to *****s.

Or *****s

[1940757690]

Here's that story Marty was talking about.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/diamondbacks-owner-forces-dodgers-fans-change-clothes-move-201010214--mlb.html

Really interesting. Not relevant to this thread but think it'd make for a great discussion on another thread. In a word: outrageous. In one more: stupid.

[RedsfaninMT]

The last two games, I have only been able to watch, not listen.

Today, I can listen, for the first time, hearing Casey. I am now watching and not listening again. This time by choice. I've read the comments on here, but till you hear him, you don't realize just how bad it is.

[Raisor]

Uh, yeah there is: scoring runs. I don't want to be the LOB leader, you know? Know Votto just scored and today's a good day so far but the point is you position the OBP guys high and the RBI guys middle order for a reason. You also pay 'em that way as we have. I love that Votto is contributing as he is and just hope he gets back in the RBI business as we all want him to and as he's paid to do.


Teams that get on base tend to score the most runs.

The only way to step on the plate is to step on first base first.

A by product of getting on base a lot is that you will leave a lot of runners on base.

[_Sir_Charles_]

KKKKKK

[nate]

6th inning chat is open!

[WebScorpion]

Cingrani was on a 45 pitch count today regardless of the Cueto results. Just in case he's needed. He threw 41.As a side note to this: Reineke was put in to pitch for the Bats and so far he's really giving Billy Hamilton a lot of chances out there in center field. Good practice! So far, they're all in the ballpark...but man it looks hairy! :lol:

[P.E.R#14]

I fought and argued last year for Heisey over Stubbs. Embarrassed...

[_Sir_Charles_]

HANNY! Bust that streak! Single to left.

[P.E.R#14]

1-21 Way to go Hanny

[New York Red]

Did anybody hear that story Marty just told about the fans behind home plate at the Diamondbacks game? Good lord. 3500 per ticket, dodger fans wearing dodger gear. The Diamondback owner came down and asked them to take off the dodger gear because they're on camera all game. They refused. So he came back and offered them free DBacks gear to wear or they had to move. I would've been PISSED if I was that fan.
That's darn near a Seinfeld episode.

[VottoFan54]

Hanny gets a single!!! :thumbup:

[moewan]

Finally the drought is over for Hannigan

[_Sir_Charles_]

I fought and argued last year for Heisey over Stubbs. Embarrassed...

To be fair....he's 1 for 3 today with a run scored and a stolen base. And it was pretty fair to argue for ANYBODY over Drew last year.

[NebraskaRed]

Hannigan got a hit!

[moewan]

That's darn near a Seinfeld episode.

In the article that was linked they mentioned that Seinfeld episode

[1940757690]

Teams that get on base tend to score the most runs.

The only way to step on the plate is to step on first base first.

A by product of getting on base a lot is that you will leave a lot of runners on base.

Sure. We're strongly agreeing. Coming at it from slightly different angles but both right.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Latos tries to sac bunt but Hanny out at 2nd. Nice take out slide by Ryan to prevent the DP.

[1940757690]

To be fair....he's 1 for 3 today with a run scored and a stolen base. And it was pretty fair to argue for ANYBODY over Drew last year.

Beyond fair, it was and is easy. Kind of Stockholm syndromish there. Point is, we should be demanding much better than Stubbs. With Choo, we've gotten it. Heisey is a different case as discussed a lot on other threads. Younger, needs real opportunity to play and show what he can do but should be low in the order and on a relatively short leash when there are other good options to not force acceptance of mediocrity.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Are you freaking KIDDING ME!?! Choo HBP...AGAIN! #7. Good lord.

[Red in Chicago]

ouch

[P.E.R#14]

To be fair....he's 1 for 3 today with a run scored and a stolen base. And it was pretty fair to argue for ANYBODY over Drew last year.

I completely agree. However, my arguments were that he batted around .300 when he had extended playing time and that he should be an everyday player. He's failing to prove that this year. Still like the kid a lot and hope he can continue to provide the Reds with quality playing time while Luddy is out.

[BCubb2003]

Charge the mound, Choo!

Bring Chapman in to retaliate!

[NebraskaRed]

Choo HPB again! Is he trying to match Votto's walk number?

[RedsfaninMT]

Choo is no Carlos Quentin.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wild pitch advances both runners.

[50YrRedsFan]

Choo must be magnetized and the ball has a metallic core.:lol:

[Tom Servo]

What is the single season record for HBP?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cozart grounds out to short to end the threat.

[_Sir_Charles_]

What is the single season record for HBP?

51. H. Jenkins 1896

50 is the modern record though. Ron Hunt in '71.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Grounder to Votto. 1 down after the toss to Latos.

[P.E.R#14]

We could really use two or three more innings out of Latos. Give the bullpen some rest. 77 pitches through 5.1

[WebScorpion]

Choo must be magnetized and the ball has a metallic core.:lol:Most batters back out of the box when thrown at...Choo just turns his back. If anything he moves a bit closer to the plate. He doesn't really get out of the way like most hitters. :dunno:

[_Sir_Charles_]

78 pitches for Mat. I'd probably pull him after 7 or 8. Broxton and Chapman need some work too.

[New York Red]

In the article that was linked they mentioned that Seinfeld episode
Ha, I'm not surprised. There's an episode where the group gets Yankee tickets, then get tossed because Elaine refuses to remove her Orioles cap.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Single back up the chute for Jones. 2 down.

[P.E.R#14]

Assuming the lead stays at 5, do you still give Chapman an inning of work?


Go Reds!!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Aroldis hasn't pitched since last Sunday. Yes, he needs to pitch. So does Broxton.

Another single, Walker to left.

[1940757690]

Assuming the lead stays at 5, do you still give Chapman an inning of work?


Go Reds!!

I'd say no. I'd actually put Hoover in to close. Exactly the kind of lower leverage and confidence-boosting oppy he needs imho. Agree Chapman needs the work but the Hoover situ feels like a higher priority right here and how given min downside to deferring Chapman for another day.

[Tom Servo]

Latos escapes.

[_Sir_Charles_]

*whew* That was interesting. Grounder to Votto...in and out of his glove but sticks with it, out at first with Latos covering. 5-0 it stays. That should be it for Latos IMO. I'd go 1 inning each for LeCure, Broxton & Chapman.


I'd say no. I'd actually put Hoover in to close. Exactly the kind of lower leverage and confidence-boosting oppy he needs imho. Agree Chapman needs the work but the Hoover situ feels like a higher priority right here and how given min downside to deferring Chapman for another day.

I get wanting to get Hoover back on track, but I don't focus on the rook at the expense of hurting your horses. They need some work. 3 days off is one thing....7 is a whole different ballgame for a reliever.

[50YrRedsFan]

It's nice to have a lead so when our pitcher makes a mistake, it doesn't cost him the game. Much less stressful on him.

[1940757690]

*whew* That was interesting. Grounder to Votto...in and out of his glove but sticks with it, out at first with Latos covering. 5-0 it stays. That should be it for Latos IMO. I'd go 1 inning each for LeCure, Broxton & Chapman.

It's the logical and likely relief plan for today. Still like the more out-of-the-box idea to give JJ the 9th but that's why I'm neither manager nor pitching coach. :)

[Tom Servo]

I think Dusty sends Latos back out for at least one more inning.

[kbrake]

I'd say no. I'd actually put Hoover in to close. Exactly the kind of lower leverage and confidence-boosting oppy he needs imho. Agree Chapman needs the work but the Hoover situ feels like a higher priority right here and how given min downside to deferring Chapman for another day.

If Hoover pitches today I will be convinced Dusty hates the kid and wants to literally see his arm come off.

[NebraskaRed]

If Hoover pitches today I will be convinced Dusty hates the kid and wants to literally see his arm come off.

If Hoover pitches today I will be convinced that Dusty hates everyone and just wants to watch the world burn

[_Sir_Charles_]

I think Dusty sends Latos back out for at least one more inning.

Possible. Especially if LeCure is still under the weather.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Votto. The bum. 20th walk. 2nd in MLB is Poo-holes with 11.

[1940757690]

If Hoover pitches today I will be convinced Dusty hates the kid and wants to literally see his arm come off.

Yep. And that's why it won't happen. But, if he did do it and Hoover had a 1-2-3 inning, it be a very good thing beyond the game. Basically agree the risks outweigh the possible reward though so not arguing it strongly at all.

[WebScorpion]

... I'd go 1 inning each for LeCure, Broxton & Chapman.

Latos is not going to want to come out after only 88 pitches. He's rolling along pretty smoothly...I'd leave him in past 100, personally. :thumbup:

[P.E.R#14]

I'd say no. I'd actually put Hoover in to close. Exactly the kind of lower leverage and confidence-boosting oppy he needs imho. Agree Chapman needs the work but the Hoover situ feels like a higher priority right here and how given min downside to deferring Chapman for another day.

Part of me agrees, the other part is already tired of seeing Hoover!

If Latos can finish the 7th, I'd like to see Ondrusek in the 8th and Marshall in the 9th if he's available (haven't heard) or LeCure if he isn't.

[50YrRedsFan]

Phillips has done his best in his last couple of games to make them pitch to JV...they just won't do it.

[1940757690]

Latos is not going to want to come out after only 88 pitches. He's rolling along pretty smoothly...I'd leave him in past 100, personally. :thumbup:

Yep. Me too. I'm generally a big fan of letting starters with momentum (and reasonable pitch counts) go deep into games. Moreso than most modern Managers who I think are way too sensitive to pitch count. Why are modern pitchers so much more frail than decades ago? I know, I know, much discussed on other threads.

[Degenerate39]

Part of me agrees, the other part is already tired of seeing Hoover!

If Latos can finish the 7th, I'd like to see Ondrusek in the 8th and Marshall in the 9th if he's available (haven't heard) or LeCure if he isn't.

Marshall is on the DL

[_Sir_Charles_]

Part of me agrees, the other part is already tired of seeing Hoover!

If Latos can finish the 7th, I'd like to see Ondrusek in the 8th and Marshall in the 9th if he's available (haven't heard) or LeCure if he isn't.

Marshall's on the DL. LeCure wasn't available yesterday. Chapman hasn't pitched since LAST Sunday, Broxton hasn't pitched since LAST Sunday too. Screw the save situation stuff. Relievers need moderately regular work in order to stay sharp.

Great catch by McCutchen. DP as Votto was on the move.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Tapper back to Gomez by Bruce to end the inning. 5-0 Reds in the middle of 7.

Latos coming back out.

[Raisor]

Chapman and Broxton need to pitch today. Control will be an issue.

[P.E.R#14]

Marshall is on the DL

So he probably won't pitch....and someone said LeCure is under the weather? I really need to quit working so hard and focus on my Redlegs...It's April, where are my priorities?;)

[WebScorpion]

That was a new twist on the BP DP. He nailed a sinking fastball to right center and McCutcheon was right on it...I think he was playing BP really short. I think Votto thought it was a certain base hit (I did too) and was doubled up easily at first. :(

[CrackerJack]

I miss Take Me Out To the Ballgame in the 7th.

[P.E.R#14]

I miss Take Me Out To the Ballgame in the 7th.

So do Charile, Lucy and Linus!

[_Sir_Charles_]

There goes the shutout. Dinger dead center, McKenry

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ondrusek warming

[_Sir_Charles_]

McDonald pops out to Cozart. 1 down.
Tabata ph'ing for Gomez.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Grounder to Cozart, 2 down.

[_Sir_Charles_]

100 pitches for Latos. 72 strikes, 28 balls. Yes thank you. I'll take that everyday.

Single by Marte to right. 8 game hitting streak.

Price out for a visit....Latos stays in.

[1940757690]

100 pitches for Latos. 72 strikes, 28 balls. Yes thank you. I'll take that everyday.

Single by Marte to right. 8 game hitting streak.

You betcha. Lots to like about today. Wish the same could be said for the Nats, who've been totally outclassed by the Bravos in every aspect of the game this weekend. But that for a different thread.

[WebScorpion]

Cool. They're gonna give Mat a chance to close out this inning. :thumbup:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Uh-oh. Almost gone. Marte scores as it's a double. Pirates want a replay.

[kbrake]

Well at least Broxton and Chapman are legally allowed in the game.

[1940757690]

Time for Latos to go with our appreciation for an excellent day. He's getting hit harder now and his velocity has dropped a bit. Need to make the move.

[Tom Servo]

Geting a little too close for comfort.

[_Sir_Charles_]

That should've been a dinger. Pretty clear actually. Hit's the fans hands about a foot above the railing, fan's hands then come down directly on the railing...not beyond it. 5-3 it'll be I'm sure.

[redsfaninbsg]

I think I would go ahead and get Broxton in the game now.

[1940757690]

Uh-oh. Almost gone. Marte scores as it's a double. Pirates want a replay.

Replays show it hit the fan's glove. Is a HR. Crap.

And I hereby change my silly Hoover musing about the 9th. Chapman to close for sure.

[reds1869]

I'm not a Dusty hater by any means, but it does infuriate me that he tends to leave his starter in just a touch too long.

[P.E.R#14]

Ruled a double. Never mind...just Kelch running his mouth. Should be a HR

[_Sir_Charles_]

Was anybody warming besides Logan? I only saw 1 warming. But I agree with Broxton as the right call.

[malcontent]

I think I would go ahead and get Broxton in the game now.
Can't. Broxton = 8th inning.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ondrusek in.

That side replay shows he was reaching over. Should be a double on second thought. And it is. Ground rule double due to fan interference.

[1940757690]

Crazy how long this replay review is taking.

[757690]

I'm not a Dusty hater by any means, but it does infuriate me that he tends to leave his starter in just a touch too long.

For the record, Price makes that call, pretty much every time. But yeah, whoever makes that call, likes to leave in the starter in too long.

[Degenerate39]

Oy vey

[_Sir_Charles_]

WP for his first pitch. Uh-oh.

Double by McCutchen on the second pitch. 5-3 Reds.

[_Sir_Charles_]

What in the world? Now Parra is warming up? Why?

[BluegrassRedleg]

They're going to blow this game. When you have to run this guy out there, you're in trouble.

I don't get it. How many chances does a guy get with this organization to prove he's terrible???

[1940757690]

Ondrusek in.

That side replay shows he was reaching over. Should be a double on second thought. And it is. Ground rule double due to fan interference.

No. Announcers have this right. The "interference" was well into HR territory and not below the HR line. Should be a HR. This'll be ESPN material. It's a blown call. Don't get me wrong, I like it selfishly to make our win safer. But it's the wrong call. It's not a ground rule double just because a fan touched it; depends where it was touched.

[P.E.R#14]

Well it looks like Ondrusek being in the minors to start the year was the correct decision.

[reds44]

The Reds bullpen kinda sucks.

[moewan]

It's getting to close for comfort now.

Going to Parra

[Blitz Dorsey]

Broxton should be in right now. Instead we're going with AA pitchers (Ondrusek) and AAA pitchers (Parra).

Broxton makes $7 million per year on average and Dusty won't use him more than 1 inning. Amazing.

[NebraskaRed]

No. Announcers have this right. The "interference" was well into HR territory and not below the HR line. Should be a HR. This'll be ESPN material. It's a blown call. Don't get me wrong, I like it selfishly to make our win safer. But it's the wrong call. It's not a ground rule double just because a fan touched it; depends where it was touched.

Agreed, but score-wise it doesn't matter anyway since they ended up getting that run in.