4/19 Miami vs the Reds

[REDREAD]

Juan Pierre lf
Placido Polanco 3b
Giancarlo Stanton rf
Joe Mahoney 1b
Justin Ruggiano cf
Rob Brantly c
Nick Green ss
Donovan Solano 2b
Kevin Slowey p

Shin-Soo Choo cf
Zack Cozart ss
Joey Votto 1b
Brandon Phillips 2b
Jay Bruce rf
Todd Frazier 3b
Chris Heisey lf
Ryan Hanigan c
Mat Latos p

No Mez..

[Buckeye33]

No Mez..

No way Dusty runs him out 3 in a row. Not happening.

[New York Red]

Despite being 0-2, Slowey has pitched pretty well. Hopefully our guys don't take him lightly.

[R_Webb18]

good start

[Degenerate39]

Went to get some food and completely missed the top half

[R_Webb18]

choo triple

[Degenerate39]

Choo with a leadoff triple!

[JKam]

How can you not love Choo.

[_Sir_Charles_]

good start

No....THAT was a good start! Lead off triple! Choo!

[R_Webb18]

walk coming

[R_Webb18]

1-0

[R_Webb18]

sac fly rbi for votto

[Larry Schuler]

Now THAT'S what we pay Votto to do.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Sac fly by Votto. There's your "production" folks. Just remember, 4 pitches...only 1 he even had a chance to do anything with. Most hitters have multiple opportunities in each AB...Joey gets 1 each ab...MAYBE.

[757690]

Marty should be happy. Votto swung at a 3-0 pitch to hit that sac fly.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nice avatar 757690. :O)

[_Sir_Charles_]

KKK

[OnBaseMachine]

5 up, 5 down for Latos so far. Pierre strike out, Polanco ground out to Phillips, Stanton strike out, Mahoney ground out to Phillips, Ruggiano strike out.

[_Sir_Charles_]

He wants his bat back. I'd pass it forward personally.

[OnBaseMachine]

Brantly K's swinging on a nasty 3-2 breaking ball. 6 up, 6 down, 4 K's for Latos. 1-0 Reds after 1 1/2.

[_Sir_Charles_]

KKKK

Latos looking VERY sharp. Reds starters sure seem to be racking up the punchouts lately.

[TheBigLebowski]

Latos lookin' sharp..

[_Sir_Charles_]

Lots of people seem concerned about Joey's lack of hits...me, I'm surprised there's not more shock about Bruce's 0 dingers up to now.

Lead off walk, Frazier with a single up the middle. 2 on, 0 out for Hi-C

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nice swing by Heisey. Looked like extra bases off the bat. Just foul. Pounded though.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Fly out to left. another solid shot, but just got under it.

[Hillsdale87]

2 good swings from Heisey. Just missed extra bases on both of them

[_Sir_Charles_]

Darn. DP off the hands from Hanny. 1-0 Reds

[OnBaseMachine]

Heisey and Hanigan are rally killers at the bottom of the order. Hanigan is just awful. He grounds weakly into a double play on a 3-1 count. May have been ball 4.

[90reds]

Free Devin

[membengal]

I miss Mesaraco's bat.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cards down 5-1 in the 2nd to the Phils.

[membengal]

On an up note, Latos has no no stuff on the mound tonight.

[holster10]

hanigan is definitely in a rut....

[OnBaseMachine]

I can't stand even watching Hanigan hit.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Actually I thought Hanny was swinging a nice bat his last few games. Just hitting them where they were is all. Solid contact quite often. Up until that jam shot off the knuckles there in that ab it was a solid one too. Good pitch.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Single up the middle. Who said something about a "no-no". Shame on you Mem!

[membengal]

Single up the middle. Who said something about a "no-no". Shame on you Mem!

It was me. And I said he has no no stuff. Am I not allowed to note that his stuff looks good? I wasn't predicting a no hitter.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Liner to left. First 2 on base.

[membengal]

Latos has crap stuff on the mound tonight. Dusty should probably go get him.

[OnBaseMachine]

Latos look unhittable the first two innings, then comes out and gives up singles to Nick Green and Donovan Solano. Geez.

[_Sir_Charles_]

It was me. And I said he has no no stuff. Am I not allowed to note that his stuff looks good? I wasn't predicting a no hitter.

Hehe. I was kidding bud. I get a chuckle out of that jinx stuff.

[TheBigLebowski]

Kevin Slowey looks like Willem DaFoe.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Sac bunt by Slowey. 2nd & 3rd with 1 down.

[New York Red]

Is it too early to suggest Heisey and Hanigan not be in the lineup at the same time?

[Red in Chicago]

i hate, hate, hate juan pierre

[_Sir_Charles_]

Is it too early to suggest Heisey and Hanigan not be in the lineup at the same time?

Yes.

[New York Red]

On an up note, Latos has no no stuff on the mound tonight.
:bang:

[_Sir_Charles_]

KKKKK

[OnBaseMachine]

Pierre K's looking. 5 K's for Latos through 2.2 IP.

[membengal]

:bang:

Sigh.

Seriously. He has filthy stuff this evening. People need to grow up.

[New York Red]

Yes.
I was being facetious. Sort of. :)

[OnBaseMachine]

Sigh. Polanco ties it up. Bottom of the order hitters continue to kill the Reds this season.

[New York Red]

Sigh.

Seriously. He has filthy stuff this evening. People need to grow up.
Lighten up. Just having a little fun. :beerme:

[Red in Chicago]

bruce nails him at home...nice job

[_Sir_Charles_]

Crap. RBI single to right. Dumb move to try to score on Bruce's arm though. Solano nailed by a mile. 1-1

[JKam]

Don't fret, the Reds should score around 10 runs, again, by the time this is all over.

[New York Red]

Sigh.

Seriously. He has filthy stuff this evening.
Stop talking about Latos' "stuff" tonight. Every time you say something about him, he gets hit. :eek:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Seriously though....that 3rd base coach should be fired on the spot if he sent that kid. That was moronic. It was a shallow single and Bruce has a well known cannon. What the hell were they thinking?

[_Sir_Charles_]

LOL. The announcers are doing their best to rationalize the Marlins decision to send Solano there.

Well...the grass was wet. Maybe he'll throw it wide? They HAVE been having trouble scoring. Well, monkeys may fly outta my butt. :O)

Choo nearly with HBP #8

[Spider Tre]

that was stupid. the 3rd base coach must've never heard of Jay Bruce

[membengal]

Stop talking about Latos' "stuff" tonight. Every time you say something about him, he gets hit. :eek:

It's true. I control what happens in this game from my keyboard.

[Red in Chicago]

It's true. I control what happens in this game from my keyboard.

can you please type "red in chicago is going to win the lottery tonight":laugh:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Choo punched out on a checked swing. Not happy. (he's wrong though...it was a strike)

[_Sir_Charles_]

It's true. I control what happens in this game from my keyboard.

*grin* That's not true. I control what happens depending on whether I wear my lucky hat or not. I thought everyone knew that. *sheesh*

[_Sir_Charles_]

Btw...the reds went quietly 1-2-3 that inning with 2 punchouts.

And now back to our lively superstition debate.

[Mutaman]

Sigh.

Seriously. He has filthy stuff this evening. People need to grow up.

I don't wanna grow up
I don't wanna have to shout it out
I don't want my hair to fall out
I don't wanna be filled with doubt
I don't wanna be a good boy scout
I don't wanna have to learn to count
I don't wanna have the biggest amount
I don't wanna grow up

[Raisor]

mem, you seem grumpy

[_Sir_Charles_]

mem, you seem grumpy

Those Watkins' grads are a moody bunch. :p

[_Sir_Charles_]

What the heck is the temp there in Cincy? They're bundled up like crazy.

KKKKKKK

[nate]

Chat is open!

[paintmered]

What the heck is the temp there in Cincy? They're bundled up like crazy.

KKKKKKK

Around 41-42 degrees.

[membengal]

mem, you seem grumpy

Sorry. Yeah. A bit. The stuff in Boston still unfolding and all. So, yeah, not in the best of moods.

Latos is back to being filthy.

[Gizmo]

What the heck is the temp there in Cincy? They're bundled up like crazy.

KKKKKKK

pregame said 44 degrees, dropping to 40 or so by game end.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Btw...it looks like they might have found that 2nd guy in Boston.

[New York Red]

Latos has nasty stuff tonight.

[Jamz]

Latos looking good so far tonight. About half of Cingrani's pitch count hahaha.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hmmm...another awkward swing again.

[Jamz]

Good lord...pitchers are just terrified of Votto.

[Stray]

Been so many of those swings from Votto this year. Strange.

[Jamz]

You can tell Votto is getting frustrated with not getting anything to hit. He's swinging more at pitches that are balls right now.

[membengal]

Latos has nasty stuff tonight.

Word.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Been so many of those swings from Votto this year. Strange.

To be fair, he hasn't exactly gotten alot of pitches to swing at this year. I know there's times when my golf swing gets all screwed up and it just feels awkward no matter what I do. Could be a similar thing. Mental and then pressing.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Another solid ab from Bruce. Soft single up the middle.

[malcontent]

Hmmm...another awkward swing again.
And on ball four. When he stops taking his walks....

[New York Red]

Word.
I thought you might like that. :beerme:

[New York Red]

I don't recall Jay taking so many ABs deep into the count consistently the way he has the past couple weeks -- and they've usually resulted in a positive result.

[_Sir_Charles_]

For those interested...the Boston search may be reaching it's conclusion.

[JKam]

Another sharply hit ball right at someone by Heisy.

[UCBrownsfan]

For those interested...the Boston search may be reaching it's conclusion.

I think Heisey, Hannigan, Latos may be too much to even watch in an inning.

[RedsMan3203]

Alright guys... Sorry I'm late to the party.... Just got checked into the hotel for the night...

Let's get 5 in a row shall we???

[JKam]

Nice double by Latos, but man is Latos slow.

[Tony Cloninger]

Isn't this pitcher one of those pitch to contact guys that the twins develop?
The way the Reds have been scoring runs...I expect them to just blitzkrieg middling guys like this.

[Vottomatic]

Nice double by Latos, but man is Latos slow.

He's used to letting his wife catch him.

[OnBaseMachine]

So, where did the 0-1 pitch to Stanton miss?

[JKam]

I feel sorry for anyone who has Stanton on their fantasy baseball team. 0 rbis so far.

[OnBaseMachine]

Should have been strike 3 right there.

[Benihana]

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but why is Stanton dressed like Darth Vader?

[Playadlc]

I feel sorry for anyone who has Stanton on their fantasy baseball team. 0 rbis so far.


I do. The thing with Stanton though is he could hit 35 HR's in two months.

[Tadasimha]

:lol:

[New York Red]

Pretty sure for the rest of my life, I'll never be able to watch a home plate collision without thinking of Norm Charlton. It's been 23 years now and I think of that every time.

[TSJ55]

Ha! Pierre trying to run over somebody.

[OnBaseMachine]

Stanton grounds to Cozart, who throws Pierre out at the plate. Nice play by Frazier to end the inning. 1-1 after 5 1/2.

Cozart/Votto/Phillips due up.

[JKam]

Frazier's defense continues to impress.

[leeech86]

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but why is Stanton dressed like Darth Vader?

He reminds me more of a ninja.

[Gizmo]

suspect in custody alert in boston

[R_Webb18]

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but why is Stanton dressed like Darth Vader?

he's cold

[OnBaseMachine]

So frustrating watching the Reds struggle against a guy like Kevin Slowey. I can't remember the last time Votto had a good swing.

[Playadlc]

So frustrating watching the Reds struggle against a guy like Kevin Slowey. I can't remember the last time Votto had a good swing.

Sadly, he is going to start hearing the boo birds real soon.

[RedsMan3203]

I feel sorry whoever drafted Votto and Cueto, yup that would be me.

[Gizmo]

slow night in the game thread.

[TSJ55]

Everyone is hanging out over in the "Howl" thread.

[Tadasimha]

Everyone is hanging out over in the "Howl" thread.

Woooooooo!

:laugh:

[OnBaseMachine]

Ruggiano flies out to Choo to begin the 7th.

[Jamz]

I hope we sweep this series. I know it's 4 games, but this is a good chance to get ahead in the division against arguably the worst team in the league.

[OnBaseMachine]

Latos issues his first walk of the night to Brantly. Had him 0-1 and went with three straight breaking balls down.

[Kc61]

Haven't watched much but that Hanigan DP early in the game was a real momentum killer.

[Tadasimha]

I agree with the Cowboy - a pedicure is a nice treat.

[_Sir_Charles_]

suspect in custody alert in boston

Yep. Captured alive.

Just back from the store...did I miss anything in the game?

[OnBaseMachine]

Nick freaking Green is 3-for-3. Just kept throwing him inside fastball after inside fastball, after he chased a slider in the dirt earlier.

[Kc61]

Didn't Latos lose it in the seventh inning last time?

Do we learn?

[Gizmo]

yay hoover and parra up warming. in a 1-1 game. in the 7th. *sigh*

[UCBrownsfan]

Nick freaking Green is 3-for-3. Just kept throwing him inside fastball after inside fastball, after he chased a slider in the dirt earlier.

Worst part he was up on Green 0-1,0-2, and 1-2

[Gizmo]

Didn't Latos lose it in the seventh inning last time?

Do we learn?

no, someone else lost it for him. He has no record this year.

[Tony Cloninger]

I remember in 1985...Parker got off to a slow start through April. Had a .300 Average, when i still thought BA meant more....but he was not driving anyone in...and I said to my friend "Parker was brought in to drive in runs." Well..he did...and big time that year, but it helped that Milner and Redus started getting on base in front of him and they moved Davey down in the order.

[OnBaseMachine]

Where in the heck did that miss? Should have been strike 3 on Solano.

[Kc61]

no, someone else lost it for him. He has no record this year.

I didn't mean Latos lost the game officially. I meant he lost "it".

[Maker_84]

This offense really tanks after scoring a lot of runs the night before

[OnBaseMachine]

Ground out to Frazier puts runners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs. Nice scoop by Votto on the low throw.

[JKam]

If he was only going to play for one, why didn't Frazier tag the guy going from 2nd to 3rd?

[OnBaseMachine]

I have a bad feeling about Dobbs here.

[Kc61]

Dobbs up with second and third.

Latos staying in the game against the lefty. Which shows Dusty has little confidence in Parra.

If Marshall is active, he's in the game right here.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Slowey is done. Dobbs pinch hitting. 100 pitches from Latos

[OnBaseMachine]

0-2 count on Dobbs. Need to bury one here.

[kbrake]

This offense really tanks after scoring a lot of runs the night before

They scored 11 the last two nights....

[OnBaseMachine]

Another borderline pitch goes against Latos. It was strike 3.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wow....where did THAT miss? Mercy!

[TSJ55]

Wow. Nice pitch

[JKam]

Latos was robbed on that pitch.

[Gizmo]

Latos getting hosed on some calls tonight.

[_Sir_Charles_]

They scored 11 the last two nights....

Don't ruin a perfectly good rant with facts. Sheesh!

[_Sir_Charles_]

KKKKKKKKKK

[OnBaseMachine]

Dobbs K's on a nasty breaking ball in the dirt! 10 K's for Latos. 1-1 after 6 1/2.

[Kc61]

K. Latos gets out of it.

Let's win this sucker.

[TSJ55]

Pretty gutsy there Matt

[Tadasimha]

Time to get Mat his 1st win of the season!

[Gizmo]

Yes, please score some runs for this guy!

[BluegrassRedleg]

C'mon, Redlegs... Reward this guy with a W!

[_Sir_Charles_]

27 punchouts by Reds starters the last 3 games. Wowsers!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Votto's on base streak in jeopardy btw.

[OnBaseMachine]

There's no excuse for the Reds not to sweep this series. The Marlins have one major league hitter.

[New York Red]

slow night in the game thread.
Been watching the bomber coverage. It'll pick up now.

[_Sir_Charles_]

BB for Frazier. 1 down. Qualls pitching btw.

[_Sir_Charles_]

There's no excuse for the Reds not to sweep this series. The Marlins have one major league hitter.

Polanco isn't chopped liver.

[OnBaseMachine]

Frazier caught stealing after a walk. I hate giving away outs.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Looked like the right call... barely. Give the guy credit.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Frazier out stealing. Heisey grounds out. Inning over.

[New York Red]

Don't ruin a perfectly good rant with facts. Sheesh!
The poster was off by one game, but basically right. We've seen a lot of that the last couple years.

[cincrazy]

There's no excuse for the Reds not to sweep this series. The Marlins have one major league hitter.

Well then the Marlins and Astros should both go 0-162. But baseball doesn't work like that. Taking three out of four will hardly be a failure here. Winning series is what matters. Saying there's "no excuse" for not sweeping someone is silly.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Looked like the right call... barely. Give the guy credit.

I'm not sure. If he got him on the knee...yes. If he whiffed there and got him on the lead foot, then he was safe. Poor angle to tell.

[jojo]

Dobbs K's on a nasty breaking ball in the dirt! 10 K's for Latos. 1-1 after 6 1/2.

Latos pitched Dobbs perfectly. That's a TOR arm.

[_Sir_Charles_]

ND for Latos. Shame.

Broxton in.

[Gizmo]

poor mat. :(

[757690]

I'm guessing Heisey failed to execute a hit a run there, swinging and missing. I doubt they send Fraizer there on a straight steal.

[OnBaseMachine]

Well then the Marlins and Astros should both go 0-162. But baseball doesn't work like that. Taking three out of four will hardly be a failure here. Winning series is what matters. Saying there's "no excuse" for not sweeping someone is silly.

The Marlins could lose 115 games this season. Teams like the Reds should beat up on them.

[New York Red]

Latos with 4 QS, and zero wins to show for it.

[jojo]

The tv adds 10 lbs to Broxton.

[_Sir_Charles_]

poor mat. :(

If we get the W he won't care less.

[_Sir_Charles_]

The tv adds 10 lbs to Broxton.

How many TV's are on him?

;)

[Red in Chicago]

nm

[OnBaseMachine]

Free pizza. Broxton K's Pierre to begin the 8th. 11 K's for Reds pitching.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Pizza!

[cincrazy]

lol we're giving away a lot of free pizza this year.

[757690]

The tv adds 10 lbs to Broxton.

Well, FSO probably has at least five camera's on the game, so I guess that adds 50 lbs?

[757690]

The Marlins could lose 115 games this season. Teams like the Reds should beat up on them.

If the Reds take 3 out of 4 from them, I consider that beating up on them.

[Tadasimha]

Free pizza. Broxton K's Pierre to begin the 8th. 11 K's for Reds pitching.

Broxton likes pizza!

[Maker_84]

Feel bad for latos this offense never shows up for him

[_Sir_Charles_]

Good fundamentals there by Phillips. On one knee blocking the ball by making the biggest target possible....knocks it down and throws him out. Watch that kids and learn.

[cincrazy]

The Marlins could lose 115 games this season. Teams like the Reds should beat up on them.

The Marlins are indeed awful. Whether they'll lose 115 games or not.... Only a few teams in the HISTORY of the game have been that bad. And even those teams took a series here and there.

[New York Red]

Would be a nice time for Hanny to bust out of his slump.

[OnBaseMachine]

Another weak out by Hanigan.

[jojo]

I'm calling shenanigans. This is Qualls' second inning of work. That's not allowed.

[Kc61]

Hanigan isn't hitting at all.

[holster10]

as hard as hanigan swings, one would think the ball would go further

[Tadasimha]

Question for the room:
Reds are on the road for an interleague game, so they're playing with the DH. Mike Leake is pitching and Hanigan is catching. Could they use Mesoraco as the DH for Hanigan and let Leake bat?

Basically, is the DH strictly for the pitcher or can another player be used replaced in the batting order instead?

[kbrake]

Feel bad for latos this offense never shows up for him

They scored 7 runs in his last start.

[jojo]

Well a quick call to the league office fixed that Qualls BS.

[jojo]

Question for the room:
Reds are on the road for an interleague game, so they're playing with the DH. Mike Leake is pitching and Hanigan is catching. Could they use Mesoraco as the DH for Hanigan and let Leake bat?

Basically, is the DH strictly for the pitcher or can another player be used replaced in the batting order instead?

Both Hanigan and Mesoraco are better hitters than Leake.

[Tadasimha]

Both Hanigan and Mesoraco are better hitters than Leake.

Not right now

[757690]

Question for the room:
Reds are on the road for an interleague game, so they're playing with the DH. Mike Leake is pitching and Hanigan is catching. Could they use Mesoraco as the DH for Hanigan and let Leake bat?

Basically, is the DH strictly for the pitcher or can another player be used replaced in the batting order instead?

DH is strictly for the pitcher. Can not be used for any other player.

But I like the way you're thinking ;)

[Tadasimha]

DH is strictly for the pitcher. Can not be used for any other player.

But I like the way you're thinking ;)

Thanks - thought it might make how you use the DH a little more interesting! :D

[RedsMan3203]

Shaping up to be a walk off....

[Gizmo]

Shaping up to be a walk off....

Let's hope so, we don't have a very good extra inning track record this year.

[_Sir_Charles_]

DH is strictly for the pitcher. Can not be used for any other player.

But I like the way you're thinking ;)

IIRC that's not entirely true. I think there's some strange situation that allows the pitcher to move to a fielding position or something weird like that.

Found it. Not exactly what I was thinking, but an odd twist....


Pinch hitters for a Designated Hitter may be used. Any substitute hitter for a Designated Hitter himself becomes a Designated Hitter. A replaced Designated Hitter shall not re-enter the game in any capacity. The Designated Hitter may be used defensively, continuing to bat in the same position in the batting order, but the pitcher must then bat in the place of the substituted defensive player, unless more than one substitution is made, and the manager then must designate their spots in the batting order.

[jojo]

Shaping up to be a walk off....

Are talking about the game or are you texting from a restaurant?

[Kc61]

Marlins made a smart move bringing in the lefty reliever to face Paul and Choo. Reds could have switched off to Robinson for Paul, but in potential extra innings game, you don't usually "burn" bench players.

Next inning, they could leave the lefty in because of Votto, which gives Cozart the percentages in his favor.

[Jamz]

Both Hanigan and Mesoraco are better hitters than Leake.

If Leake got consistent at bats I think he would be a better batter than either. Leake could have probably been a very good position player.

[Maker_84]

Hanigan isn't hitting at all.

which is why Mesoraco should be getting majority starts now, he's twice as talented as has been with the team 2 seasons now, it's his time and not black hole hanigans time

[OnBaseMachine]

Chapman pitching the 9th. Valaika grounds out to Frazier.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hanny isn't a black hole. He's in a slump as a hitter. He's still light years better than Mesoraco defensively. And despite what many think, that IS the main job of the catcher...not his bat.

[OnBaseMachine]

Ridiculous. Where did that 2-1 pitch miss? Oh, it didn't. Gone. 2-1 Marlins.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Gone. 2-1. Clearly not a major league hitter.

[Maker_84]

ballgame

[Gizmo]

Choo has been rung up on that same pitch twice today.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Such BS. Ump misses the strike 2 call ... forces Chapman to throw it right down the middle on 3-1 ... HR.

BS.

[OnBaseMachine]

I'm tired of these garbage umpires stealing paychecks from MLB. That 2-1 pitch changed the whole atbat. That was clearly strike 2. What a joke.

[CrackerJack]

Yeesh, a flat 94 mph butterball from Chapman right down broadway goes bye-bye.

[OnBaseMachine]

Should have been 2-2 on Ruggiano, then Chapman would have thrown a different pitch.

[_Sir_Charles_]

That 2-1 pitch...I agree it was a strike...but not "clearly" a strike. At the bottom of the zone, borderline...but not clear-cut.

[TSJ55]

ballgame
Nice. Glad you're not any sort of teammate of mine.

[Hillsdale87]

Chapman's velocity seems way down tonight. 93-95

[holster10]

forget chapman.... seriously, votto needs to start being votto. Frazier, choo and philips can't do it every night.

[leeech86]

Heart of the order coming up. Lets get this walk off.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Alright...time to put some on the board boys. Let's walk this puppy off!

[cincrazy]

So if we don't go undefeated on this homestand, when do we start the firesale?

[Jamz]

Well...we have the guys coming up that we want up in situations like this. Let's hope they can pull it together. It would be a nice time for Votto to put a good swing on.

[_Sir_Charles_]

forget chapman.... seriously, votto needs to start being votto. Frazier, choo and philips can't do it every night.

Personally, I think Votto needs a mental day off. He seems to be really pressing. Despite what we may think...he's actually NOT a machine. :O)

[kbrake]

Nice. Glad you're not any sort of teammate of mine.

Based on how accurate his post have been in the few pages of this thread I have seen I would be very confident of our chances knowing he thinks it won't happen.

[Tadasimha]

So if we don't go undefeated on this homestand, when do we start the firesale?

Should have started back in the 7th - clearly we won't get good value in trade now! ;)

[Roy Tucker]

Chapman's body language looked a little funny. Like he had a twinge.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Valaika in at 1st.

[Kc61]

Hanny isn't a black hole. He's in a slump as a hitter. He's still light years better than Mesoraco defensively. And despite what many think, that IS the main job of the catcher...not his bat.

I'd take issue with this. Hanigan's numbers have steadily declined in recent seasons. He had a .703 OPS last year.

When you look at his splits, he really doesn't hit righty pitching much at all. He had a .685 OPS in 2011, .661 in 2012, against righty pitching.

I think the argument that defense is the main job of a catcher (with offense not being that important) doesn't hold up.

The best players at every position both hit and field their position. I don't think catcher is any different.

Sure, a catcher has to play good defense but if he can't hit right handed pitching it seriously hurts his value.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Submariner. Hmmmm...

[OnBaseMachine]

Oh, but that 1-0 pitch to Cozart is a strike?

[CrackerJack]

Chapman's velocity seems way down tonight. 93-95

I'm guessing that sitting around in 30 degree weather for 8 innings isn't helping him much.

[Playadlc]

Bunt here? :)

[_Sir_Charles_]

IF single! Nice. Good job Cozy!

[OnBaseMachine]

Infield single by Cozart to begin the bottom of the 9th.

[jojo]

I'm tired of these garbage umpires stealing paychecks from MLB. That 2-1 pitch changed the whole atbat. That was clearly strike 2. What a joke.

I think you're really overreacting. First, the 2-1 pitch wasn't exactly a nobrainer strike call and second, nobody forced Chapman to pitch the 3-1 pitch where he did.

[ProfessorTofty]

One on, let's get this one!

[Tadasimha]

Submariner. Hmmmm...

Always liked him better than Aquaman! :laugh:

[holster10]

votto looks lost....

[OnBaseMachine]

Another ugly atbat by Votto. He got some good pitches to hit, especially the 0-1 pitch.

[LaFlamaBlanca]

Bleeeeeeeeppp.

[cincrazy]

I've never seen Votto look this bad at the plate. And his body language is awful. He could use a day off.

[Maker_84]

votto looks lost....

he is, even on singles it's like he gets lucky

[jhiller21]

Votto looking lost up there right now

[mikdavrut]

Sheesh, Votto is out to lunch, so to speak. Wow.

[holster10]

votto looks terrible.....

[Kc61]

I'd give Votto a day off either Saturday or Sunday.

He usually comes back strong after a day off.

It's time.

[Maker_84]

time to move him down in the order, he's just hurting the team. He's never been an elite talent and when his mind isn't right he can be pretty bad

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'd take issue with this. Hanigan's numbers have steadily declined in recent seasons. He had a .703 OPS last year.

When you look at his splits, he really doesn't hit righty pitching much at all. He had a .685 OPS in 2011, .661 in 2012, against righty pitching.

I think the argument that defense is the main job of a catcher (with offense not being that important) doesn't hold up.

The best players at every position both hit and field their position. I don't think catcher is any different.

Sure, a catcher has to play good defense but if he can't hit right handed pitching it seriously hurts his value.

Well, I haven't looked at his splits. But I don't see steady decline. I see his OBP being a career high of .405 in 2010 then the next 2 season right at his career norms. His dingers went down last season, but he had twice as many doubles. And each year he's still having more BB's than K's. He'll be fine. He's in a slump, much like Joey is.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not down on Mes either. His time may very well be now...but the ragging on Hanny is excessive (that's all my point was).

[holster10]

Reds don't pay Votto big $$$ to walk and get on base.....

[NeilHamburger]

Well, that sucked.

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds lose. Brutal loss. The Marlins are the worst team in baseball, by far.

[_Sir_Charles_]

time to move him down in the order, he's just hurting the team. He's never been an elite talent and when his mind isn't right he can be pretty bad

Okay, I've been letting your comments slide...but come on. Are you even a Reds fan? Seriously? That's beyond absurd IMO.

[Red in Chicago]

ugly...

[ProfessorTofty]

Aww, and that's the game. Well, I guess we can't take them all. It was a good run, though.

[Stray]

If it were anyone else I'd chalk it up to a slump, but with Votto it is really really weird. Not saying we should worry about him, but at what point do we wonder? I've never seen him look this bad.

[Jamz]

Never thought I'd see the day that Bruce looks way better than Votto at the plate.

I'm sure Votto will bounce back, but I can't imagine what is going on there.

[LaFlamaBlanca]

time to move him down in the order, he's just hurting the team. He's never been an elite talent and when his mind isn't right he can be pretty bad

Yeah, because the Juan Pierres of the world always win MVP.

:rolleyes: