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klw
04-30-2013, 04:37 PM
Choo 8,
Cozart 6,
Votto 3,
Phillips 4,
Bruce 9,
Frazier 5,
Mesoraco 2,
Robinson 7,
Arroyo RHP.

v Garcia LHP

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2013_04_30_cinmlb_slnmlb_1#gid=2013_ 04_30_cinmlb_slnmlb_1&mode=preview

Garcia has pitched his best in St. Louis this season, holding teams to just three earned runs in 13 2/3 innings. He also has a career 2.45 ERA when pitching at home.


Although Arroyo has produced quality starts in three of his five outings, he was lit up early by Washington, giving up six runs in the first three innings. He was able to battle through six innings, but the Reds took an 8-1 loss, and he fell to 2-2 on the season, with a 4.24 ERA.

Against the Cardinals on April 9, Arroyo allowed four runs on five hits in six innings, taking the loss to continue his woes at Busch Stadium. In 15 career games in St. Louis, he is 3-7 with a 5.46 ERA.


Cardinals outfielder Carlos Beltran was held out of the lineup on Monday, as he was weak following an extended bout with a stomach illness. He pinch-hit in the eighth inning and flied out to left field.

New York Red
04-30-2013, 06:26 PM
Aren't the Reds responsible for the three earned runs Garcia has given up at home this year? I think so. Hopefully we can get to him early, at least enough to up his pitch count so we can get into their bullpen by the 7th.

foxfire123
04-30-2013, 09:13 PM
Well boys, here we go. Round 2. :)

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:17 PM
Choo grounds out to 1st.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 09:17 PM
Choo grounds to first. He's mortal against lefty pitching.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:18 PM
Cozart grounds out to short. 2 outs.

RedsMan3203
04-30-2013, 09:19 PM
Votto with the high socks 3 days in a row......

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:19 PM
Votto strikes out swinging. 0-0 mid 1st

Magdal
04-30-2013, 09:19 PM
Aren't the Reds responsible for the three earned runs Garcia has given up at home this year? I think so. Hopefully we can get to him early, at least enough to up his pitch count so we can get into their bullpen by the 7th.By the 5th is more likely. Garcia's stamina has been suspect so far. (Tho' he got out of the 1st inning pretty quick!)

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:22 PM
Jay flies out to center.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:23 PM
Beltran singles to right.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:24 PM
Holliday grounds into a 4-6-3 DP. 0-0 after 1.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 09:25 PM
Arroyo coming into this game for 2013. .843 OPS against lefty hitters. .460 against righty hitters.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:27 PM
Phillips singles to right.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:29 PM
Bruce singles to left. 1st and 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:30 PM
Frazier grounds into a 5-4 FC. 1st and 3rd.

Billy_Bearcat
04-30-2013, 09:31 PM
Sorry if I missed this posted elsewhere, but this gave me a good chuckle. From John Fay:


Who’s the closer tonight?
04/30/13 at 6:08pm by John Fay

ST. LOUIS — If the Reds have a save opportunity tonight, it’s unclear who will get it. It probably won’t Aroldis Chapman or Jonathan Broxton.

“We’re dealing with a rash of allergies,” Reds manager Dusty Baker said. “We’ve got allergy problems going through our team. We’ve got 10 or 12 guys with bad allergies, including Chapman. He looked like hell when he came in.

“I don’t think he’s available tonight. I don’t know if Broxton’s available tonight. We might have to close with somebody else.”

Both Chapman and Broxton have pitched two straight days. Broxton threw 30 pitches in his outing Sunday.

“We were a little apprehensive about using him last night,” Baker said. “It’s not the innings sometimes. It’s the workload of that inning.”

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:31 PM
Mesoraco grounds into a 6-4-3 DP. 0-0 mid 2nd.

texasdave
04-30-2013, 09:31 PM
Force out. 6-4-3. Rally fizzles.

malcontent
04-30-2013, 09:32 PM
ZERO patience from Frazier and Mesoraco.

:(

Billy_Bearcat
04-30-2013, 09:32 PM
Mesoraco grounds into a 6-4-3 DP. 0-0 mid 2nd.

Yuck. Wish we'd try a squeeze every once in a blue moon.

bigredmechanism
04-30-2013, 09:32 PM
Garcia didn't have to throw many pitches for all that to happen.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:34 PM
Craig lines out to short.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 09:34 PM
Garcia didn't have to throw many pitches for all that to happen.

Same can be said for Bronson. Both teams are aggressive at the plate tonight.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:36 PM
Molina singles to left.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:38 PM
What a wild play. Ground out to 1st on a great stop by Votto. Then he flips to Cozart who somehow drops it throws back to Votto but the runner gets back.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 09:38 PM
Damn. Cozart took his eye off the ball and Molina is safe. Heck of a play by Votto. Odd looking throw, but dead on.

nate
04-30-2013, 09:39 PM
Chat is open!

bigredmechanism
04-30-2013, 09:39 PM
If we could have gotten Yadi that would have been an incredible play by Votto.

Before I saw the replay, I thought his throw must have been bad, but it was actually perfect.

cbowen2112
04-30-2013, 09:39 PM
I think he didn't know Votto was going to underhand it. It doesn't matter now. Was cool to see the effort.

texasdave
04-30-2013, 09:40 PM
Question: How is that not an error on Cozart? If he doesn't drop that simple toss, Molina is a dead duck.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 09:41 PM
I know he pulled off the throw...but that can't be a safe way to do that. He never stepped towards his target or anything. I would think it would be VERY easy to throw that WAAAAAY off line. But...it was a perfect throw, so what the hell do I know. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 09:41 PM
Question: How is that not an error on Cozart? If he doesn't drop that simple toss, Molina is a dead duck.

Can't be an error on a double play attempt.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 09:42 PM
Derrick Robinson for starting LF'er. :O) I kid.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 09:42 PM
Single for Derrick Robinson. Too bad he wasn't hitting seventh. Now we'll see a bunt, then Choo, potentially interesting inning.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:44 PM
Robinson singles to right.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 09:45 PM
Derrick Robinson for starting LF'er. :O) I kid.

There's an argument for it. Robinson makes things happen, can bunt, can run.

You can even make an argument for him to hit second.

In Ludwick's absence of course.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:45 PM
Arroyo can't get a bunt down and strikes out.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 09:48 PM
Choo's OPS against lefties so far this year is under .600. His OPS against righties is more than double that. It's early.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:48 PM
Choo grounds out to 1st. Robinson to 2nd.

texasdave
04-30-2013, 09:49 PM
Can't be an error on a double play attempt.

This does not seem to be true according to this.


10.12 Errors
An error is a statistic charged against a fielder whose action has assisted the team on offense, as set forth in this Rule 10.12.
(a) The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder:
(1) whose misplay (fumble, muff or wild throw) prolongs the time at bat of a batter, prolongs the presence on the bases of a runner or permits a runner to advance one or more bases.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:50 PM
Cozart grounds out to 2nd. 0-0 mid 3rd.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 09:51 PM
There's an argument for it. Robinson makes things happen, can bunt, can run.

You can even make an argument for him to hit second.

In Ludwick's absence of course.

I haven't seen anywhere close to enough of this kid to know what he can do with the bat OR glove. He's got speed and he can bunt. That's about all I know about him. He's got to be able to do more than that before I pick him over Paul or Heisey.

~edit~ I just looked over his MilB numbers....Looks like he's a zero power, poor average hitter, but skilled in drawing walks, average K's and with excellent SB skills. Useful to be sure, but starter....not sold (even a temp starter).

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 09:52 PM
This does not seem to be true according to this.

Interesting. I was always told that you can't have an error on a double play because the double play can never be considered a routine play (or something along those lines).

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:53 PM
Descalso flies out to left

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:54 PM
Garcia grounds out to short.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:57 PM
Jay walks on a pitch that looked good.

Red Raindog
04-30-2013, 09:57 PM
where did that 3-2 pitch miss?

Kc61
04-30-2013, 09:57 PM
So far this game, Mesoraco grounded into a DP with men on first and third, one out. Then Cozart grounded out with a man in scoring position and two outs.

If the Reds are going to continue to play these tight ball games, these kinds of at bats hurt.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 09:57 PM
Whew that was close. Beltran flies out to the wall in right. 0-0 after 3.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 09:57 PM
*whew* I thought that was gone for sure off the bat. Beltran flies out to Bruce at the wall.

texasdave
04-30-2013, 09:58 PM
Interesting. I was always told that you can't have an error on a double play because the double play can never be considered a routine play (or something along those lines).

This also seems to imply an error should have been charged.


Rule 10.12(d) Comment: When a fielder muffs a thrown ball that, if held, would have completed a double play or triple play, the official scorer shall charge an error to the fielder who drops the ball and credit an assist to the fielder who made the throw.

I think everyone agrees that if Cozart holds on to the ball, Molina is out. No big deal. Nothing came of it. I was just curious.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 09:59 PM
This also seems to imply an error should have been charged.

I think everyone agrees that if Cozart holds on to the ball, Molina is out. No big deal. Nothing came of it. I was just curious.

Enlightening. Thanks for the research Dave.

And by the way, how awesome is it that the rule book uses the word "muffs". :O)

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:01 PM
Votto reaches as Descalso can't get the ball out of his glove.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:01 PM
IF single for Votto. Tough play for Descalso on that slow roller.

Baseball is just a funny game. Joey was CRUSHING the ball yesterday and got robbed several times....slow tapper...HIT. LOL

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:03 PM
Phillips flies out to center.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:04 PM
Let's go Jay. Big fly right here!

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:05 PM
Bruce strikes out looking.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:05 PM
Just locked Jay up there. Good pitch, batter in a funk. Not a good combo.

Red Raindog
04-30-2013, 10:06 PM
that was a strike?

Kc61
04-30-2013, 10:06 PM
Dusty said a lot of the guys have allergies.

I think they are allergic to hitting with men on base.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:07 PM
Frazier grounds out to 3rd. 0-0 mid 4th.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:07 PM
that was a strike?

Looked awfully good to me. I don't have gameday on, was it outside the zone?

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:08 PM
Dusty said a lot of the guys have allergies.

I think they are allergic to hitting with men on base.

Nice. Is there a pill for that? NO....not greenies.

Red Raindog
04-30-2013, 10:08 PM
Looked awfully good to me. I don't have gameday on, was it outside the zone?

I thought Bronson's ball four pitch was better

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:09 PM
I thought Bronson's ball four pitch was better

I missed that one. Diaper duty called.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:09 PM
Holliday grounds out to short.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:10 PM
Has anybody worked the count yet...on EITHER side? 4th inning, Bronson at 33 pitches with 1 down.

Red Raindog
04-30-2013, 10:10 PM
I missed that one. Diaper duty called.

Oh lucky you

redssince75
04-30-2013, 10:11 PM
Votto reaches as Descalso can't get the ball out of his glove.

This was an error. Joey was clearly about to be out until Descalso dropped the ball.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:11 PM
Craig pops out to short.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:11 PM
Oh lucky you

Could've been worse. Could've been an adult diaper. :p

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:13 PM
Molina flies out to left. 0-0 after 4.

Rolling through this one. 4 innings in less than an hour.

Both pitchers at 42 pitches

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:14 PM
1-2-3 for Bronson. Nice.

Am I the only one who finds it really irritating that Molina is swinging such a good bat?

kaldaniels
04-30-2013, 10:14 PM
Didn't get a chance last night but wanted to say I was impressed by Ludwick's comments in the booth. He seems to have a good grasp of hitting and takes it seriously. I found it telling when he mentioned he never makes fun of Fraizer's goofy swing...cause it seems to work.

foxfire123
04-30-2013, 10:15 PM
I missed that one. Diaper duty called.

Diaper duty? Doesn't the kid realize the game's on??!! :lol:

Red Raindog
04-30-2013, 10:15 PM
Could've been worse. Could've been an adult diaper. :p

got a ♠ for that stuff?

marcshoe
04-30-2013, 10:16 PM
Somebody send this to Chris.

There was a little girl
BY HENRY WADSWORTH LONGFELLOW
There was a little girl,
Who had a little curl,
Right in the middle of her forehead.
When she was good,
She was very good indeed,
But when she was bad she was horrid.

Forehead, fwiw, is pronounced "forrid" here. Thus the rhyme. Not sure what awful rhymes with in his version.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:16 PM
Mesaraco lines a single to center.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:16 PM
There we go. Rope up the middle by Devin. Nice swing.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 10:16 PM
Mes singles, but I'm still mad at him for hitting into a DP earlier. And I won't forgive him based on a lone single.

foxfire123
04-30-2013, 10:17 PM
Dusty said a lot of the guys have allergies.


I can buy this excuse, sadly. Hubby and I never had allergies until we moved to this state.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:17 PM
Robinson grounds into a 4-6 FC.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:18 PM
Didn't get a chance last night but wanted to say I was impressed by Ludwick's comments in the booth. He seems to have a good grasp of hitting and takes it seriously. I found it telling when he mentioned he never makes fun of Fraizer's goofy swing...cause it seems to work.

Agreed. He came across as very intelligent, clear and funny. Enjoyable to listen to.

I know he bugs lots of people, but I feel the same way sometimes about Jeff Brantley when he's talking about pitchers and their mechanics. Any other time and he drives me nuts.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:19 PM
Diaper duty? Doesn't the kid realize the game's on??!! :lol:
They realize it when they're asleep and a Red goes deep. The whole house quickly remembers that there's a game on. :thumbup:

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:19 PM
Nice bunt by Arroyo. Runner to 2nd. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:21 PM
Choo doubles off the wall in left center. 1-0 Reds!

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:21 PM
Choo with a shot off the wall to plate Robinson! 1-0 Reds!

marcshoe
04-30-2013, 10:22 PM
Whoever said Choo was mortal, take it back!

Red Raindog
04-30-2013, 10:22 PM
ho hum CHOO ON BASE

Kc61
04-30-2013, 10:23 PM
Whoever said Choo was mortal, take it back!

I said he was mortal against lefties. I take it back.

RedlegJake
04-30-2013, 10:24 PM
I can buy this excuse, sadly. Hubby and I never had allergies until we moved to this state.

Same here in KC...pollen count is thru the roof this year...and usually every spring and fall:not easy to feel good with teary itchy eyes and clogged sinuses

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:26 PM
Same here in KC...pollen count is thru the roof this year...and usually every spring and fall:not easy to feel good with teary itchy eyes and clogged sinuses

I never had this problem in Ohio. It started immediately for me upon arrival in Houston.

Btw...is this really Cozart with this at bat?

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:26 PM
Cozart grounds out to 3rd. 1-0 Reds mid 5th.

Red Raindog
04-30-2013, 10:29 PM
Same here in KC...pollen count is thru the roof this year...and usually every spring and fall:not easy to feel good with teary itchy eyes and clogged sinuses

My doc has finally just given me a year's worth of prescriptions for all my allergy meds 7 antibiotics -- he thinks I have enough experience to manage my own symptoms.

foxfire123
04-30-2013, 10:29 PM
I never had this problem in Ohio. It started immediately for me upon arrival in Houston.

Btw...is this really Cozart with this at bat?

Really worked him for a change!

I guess it's the change in plant life making allergies worse... Can't wait until I can move back to Ohio!

coachpipe
04-30-2013, 10:29 PM
Yep

Kc61
04-30-2013, 10:30 PM
Cozart isn't hitting with men on base and generally isn't hitting the ball with any authority.

I've stuck up for him in various RedsZone arguments about his bat. He's losing me. I'll give him the month of May.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:30 PM
Nice smooth play by Votto there.

Remember back in his rookie year when every throw to the pitcher was an adventure. What a difference he's made in his defense. Incredible.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:31 PM
Wow. Another fantastic play by Votto. Nearly a fantastic DP.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 10:31 PM
One on, one out, fifth inning, lefty hitter Descalso up. Nice force out by Votto. Two outs.

coachpipe
04-30-2013, 10:32 PM
Nice smooth play by Votto there.

Remember back in his rookie year when every throw to the pitcher was an adventure. What a difference he's made in his defense. Incredible.

And another

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:32 PM
Carpenter grounds out.
Kozma singles and Descalso grounds into a 3-6 FC.

kbrake
04-30-2013, 10:33 PM
Cozart isn't hitting with men on base and generally isn't hitting the ball with any authority.

I've stuck up for him in various RedsZone arguments about his bat. He's losing me. I'll give him the month of May.

He is misused by Dusty. He is playing at this level for his glove and we all know he should be hitting 8th. I have a hard time beating up on a guy too much when he is in a spot he has no business being in.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:33 PM
Garcia grounds out to Arroyo. 1-0 Reds after 5.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:33 PM
Defense flashing the leather that inning. Nice stab by Bronson. They made those plays look routine....they weren't.

There's nothing I like more than a team that plays excellent defense. It's BY FAR the most enjoyable part of the game for me. Always has been.

coachpipe
04-30-2013, 10:34 PM
You have to love Votto even if you aren't a reds fan.

Red Raindog
04-30-2013, 10:34 PM
really have to say Bronson has been nails tonight -- need to help him out here

Kc61
04-30-2013, 10:34 PM
He is misused by Dusty. He is playing at this level for his glove and we all know he should be hitting 8th. I have a hard time beating up on a guy too much when he is in a spot he has no business being in.

Ok, I agree, but against a lefty pitcher Cozart should be capable of hitting a couple of solid shots. He's hit weak grounders with men in scoring position, twice this game.

Even as the eighth hitter I'd expect more.

texasdave
04-30-2013, 10:35 PM
Arroyo breezing in a very economical manner. 50 pitches in five innings. Nice.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 10:36 PM
Arroyo breezing in a very economical manner. 50 pitches in five innings. Nice.

Asking for an Arroyo shut out is a tall order. Sorry, Reds, hate to break up the pattern, but you need to add runs this game.

kbrake
04-30-2013, 10:36 PM
Ok, I agree, but against a lefty pitcher Cozart should be capable of hitting a couple of solid shots. He's hit weak grounders with men in scoring position, twice this game.

Even as the eighth hitter I'd expect more.

Yeah I would agree with that.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:37 PM
I haven't seen Votto show this much emotion before. All year long he's been like this. Slammed that bat down halfway to 1st.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:38 PM
Love the high socks look on Votto too btw. I miss the stirrups look though.

Single up the middle for Phillips.

RedlegJake
04-30-2013, 10:39 PM
Ok, I agree, but against a lefty pitcher Cozart should be capable of hitting a couple of solid shots. He's hit weak grounders with men in scoring position, twice this game.

Even as the eighth hitter I'd expect more.

me too...Cozart showing none the power flashes he had last year. Beieve in the "sophomore jinx"?

Kc61
04-30-2013, 10:41 PM
me too...Cozart showing none the power flashes he had last year. Beieve in the "sophomore jinx"?

Well, earlier in the season he was showing power. I think he has four homers. Lately, though, he isn't hitting well.

Remember that bunt a week ago when the pitched ball struck Zack's fingers? Wonder if it's still bothering him.

Meanwhile, where was Phillips going there.

Tadasimha
04-30-2013, 10:41 PM
Can't watch the game here tonight - did they actually tag Phillips?

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:41 PM
WOW. Great angle. They DID miss the tag. Completely whiffed.

I didn't think there was ANY doubt that they tagged him. Fantastic camera work.

RedlegJake
04-30-2013, 10:41 PM
hate posting by phone...bad grammar..typos...my darn fingers are too fat!

coachpipe
04-30-2013, 10:41 PM
He didn't touch him

Billy Hamilton's Legs
04-30-2013, 10:42 PM
Can't watch the game here tonight - did they actually tag Phillips?

replay looked like he was safe

757690
04-30-2013, 10:42 PM
Phillips clearly should be thrown out of the game. His body language was inciting the fans.

texasdave
04-30-2013, 10:42 PM
That went 1-3-4-5-3-2-9-8-3-4-6-5-7-2. And they still missed the tag.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 10:42 PM
Reds don't score. Game moving along.

Hope Arroyo can keep it up because it doesn't look like he'll get many more runs to work with.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:43 PM
Phillips clearly should be thrown out of the game. His body language was inciting the fans.

Let's not go there. :laugh:

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:44 PM
That went 1-3-4-5-3-2-9-8-3-4-6-5-7-2. And they still missed the tag.

Yahtzee! ...ummm...wait.

RedlegJake
04-30-2013, 10:45 PM
Phillips clearly should be thrown out of the game. His body language was inciting the fans.

in SL he does that just stepping from the dugout...

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:45 PM
Jay flies out to left

Kc61
04-30-2013, 10:45 PM
Derrick Robinson looks much more comfortable in the outfield than does Xavier Paul.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:46 PM
Rocket ripped to right by Beltran.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:48 PM
Crap. Dinger Holliday. 2-1 Cards.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:48 PM
Crap. Holliday homes to the first row in left center.

Always Red
04-30-2013, 10:49 PM
Here's the pitch.... Cards lead, 2-1.

RIP, Joe

CrackerJack
04-30-2013, 10:49 PM
Asking for an Arroyo shut out is a tall order. Sorry, Reds, hate to break up the pattern, but you need to add runs this game.

Yep, God forbid.

BCubb2003
04-30-2013, 10:49 PM
You can only throw the Bugs Bunny pitch once an at-bat.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:50 PM
Craig grounds out to 1st.

Always Red
04-30-2013, 10:50 PM
You can only throw the Bugs Bunny pitch once an at-bat.

Bill Lee learned that the hard way too.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:51 PM
Molina grounds out to 2nd. 2-1 Cards after 6.

foxfire123
04-30-2013, 10:51 PM
*sigh*. Bronson's Patented Bad Inning. One in every game it seems. :(

kaldaniels
04-30-2013, 10:51 PM
These have been two well pitched low scoring games so far. No need to rip either offense.

texasdave
04-30-2013, 10:51 PM
Time for the bats to feast.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:52 PM
These have been two well pitched low scoring games so far. No need to rip either offense.

Spot on.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 10:52 PM
Yep, God forbid.

Really can't be upset by that home run by Holliday. Arroyo doesn't have the stuff to shut out the Cards except on a rare night.

If the Reds want to win, obviously they need runs, and I'd also use the bullpen. I never like Arroyo going too deep in the game. They ultimately tend to get to him.

texasdave
04-30-2013, 10:52 PM
Bill Lee learned that the hard way too.

Tony Perez says, "Thanks!".

MikeThierry
04-30-2013, 10:53 PM
I haven't been watching the game really at all because of playoff hockey so I missed the HR. From the replay that looked like it wasn't going to go out. Did you all think it was going to be a double the way it went off the bat?

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:54 PM
Oooooh.. Not sure about that one. I thought Todd was safe.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:54 PM
Frazier just out as he grounds off Garcia who recovers to throw him out

Mutaman
04-30-2013, 10:54 PM
Tony Perez says, "Thanks!".

One swing of the bat and I went from the depths of depression to being on top of theworld.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 10:54 PM
These have been two well pitched low scoring games so far. No need to rip either offense.

I don't accept this.

Reds have had opportunities tonight and certain guys consistently fail in these spots.

I don't expect 7 runs against the Cards with a pitcher like Garcia. But I think I'm entitled to three or four.

foxfire123
04-30-2013, 10:54 PM
Jeez Frazier, make him throw a few will ya?

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:54 PM
As usual....I'm wrong and the ump is right. How they get that so often astounds me. Heck of a play by Garcia to recover that quickly

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:55 PM
Really can't be upset by that home run by Holliday. Arroyo doesn't have the stuff to shut out the Cards except on a rare night.

If the Reds want to win, obviously they need runs, and I'd also use the bullpen. I never like Arroyo going too deep in the game. They ultimately tend to get to him.

I normally agree with this....but when his pitch count is this low it's not like his normal games.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 10:56 PM
As usual....I'm wrong and the ump is right. How they get that so often astounds me. Heck of a play by Garcia to recover that quickly

Maybe it's because the ump is standing six inches from the base.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 10:56 PM
Mesoraco grounds out to 2nd.

kaldaniels
04-30-2013, 10:56 PM
I don't accept this.

Reds have had opportunities tonight and certain guys consistently fail in these spots.

I don't expect 7 runs against the Cards with a pitcher like Garcia. But I think I'm entitled to three or four.

Garcia's ERA says you are not entitled to that many.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:57 PM
Maybe it's because the ump is standing six inches from the base.

Don't confuse the situation with facts. Sheesh!

kaldaniels
04-30-2013, 10:57 PM
As usual....I'm wrong and the ump is right. How they get that so often astounds me. Heck of a play by Garcia to recover that quickly

Using ones ears when you are feet away from the play really helps.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 10:58 PM
Garcia's ERA says you are not entitled to that many.

As a Reds fan, we're automatically entitled to see Garcia's ERA balloon to the stratosphere. Right? :O) Personally, I like that plan. :thumbup:

Kc61
04-30-2013, 10:59 PM
Garcia's ERA says you are not entitled to that many.

Reds are supposed to be better than average. Read the predictions thread, Reds are supposed to win over 90 games.

I think three or four runs against Jaime Garcia is a fair request.

MikeThierry
04-30-2013, 10:59 PM
I don't accept this.

Reds have had opportunities tonight and certain guys consistently fail in these spots.

I don't expect 7 runs against the Cards with a pitcher like Garcia. But I think I'm entitled to three or four.

You forget though that Garcia is a BOSS at home. These two games are a prime example of how good both starting pitching staffs are and you shouldn't expect a ton of runs.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:00 PM
Using ones ears when you are feet away from the play really helps.

Yeah, I know. But still I'm constantly amazed at how often they get calls right that just stun me.

And then there's the Phillips tag play that nobody could've possibly have gotten...except the camera man.

Vottomatic
04-30-2013, 11:00 PM
Ump behind the plate sucks. First pitch to Robinson was really low and he calls it a strike.

Every time we play in St. Louis I feel like the umps are homers. Dude missed the call on BP at second. BP was clearly safe.

Arroyo is actually pitching a gem. One bad pitch.

Garcia may be a good pitcher. But I don't see it. He benefits from the Reds swinging at alot of pitches out of the strike zone.

kaldaniels
04-30-2013, 11:01 PM
Reds are supposed to be better than average. Read the predictions thread, Reds are supposed to win over 90 games.

I think three or four runs against Jaime Garcia is a fair request.

It's reasonable to hope for it. But to expect it is asking too much. I certainly don't think the Cards are entitled to 3 or 4 vs. Latos.

MikeThierry
04-30-2013, 11:02 PM
Ump behind the plate sucks. First pitch to Robinson was really low and he calls it a strike.

Every time we play in St. Louis I feel like the umps are homers. Dude missed the call on BP at second. BP was clearly safe.

Arroyo is actually pitching a gem. One bad pitch.

Garcia may be a good pitcher. But I don't see it. He benefits from the Reds swinging at alot of pitches out of the strike zone.

Garcia has some of the nastiest off speed stuff in the league and has been one of the top left handed pitchers in baseball when he's healthy. There's a reason for it. Now if they could fix his road woes, that would be great.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:02 PM
Ump behind the plate sucks. First pitch to Robinson was really low and he calls it a strike.

Every time we play in St. Louis I feel like the umps are homers. Dude missed the call on BP at second. BP was clearly safe.

Arroyo is actually pitching a gem. One bad pitch.

Garcia may be a good pitcher. But I don't see it. He benefits from the Reds swinging at alot of pitches out of the strike zone.

Disagree. He was safe...but far from "clearly". EVERY ump misses that call.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 11:02 PM
You forget though that Garcia is a BOSS at home. These two games are a prime example of how good both starting pitching staffs are and you shouldn't expect a ton of runs.

To me, it's just another game where the Reds fail with RISP early. Then they completely sleep walk through the last few innings.

Garcia may be good at home, but it doesn't mean Mes has to hit into a DP with first and third; and it doesn't mean Cozart has to hit little grounders twice with RISP.

Reds are supposed to be a good offensive team. They are playing like an average offensive team.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:03 PM
Bronson starting to elevate his pitches. Not a good sign usually.

kaldaniels
04-30-2013, 11:03 PM
You forget though that Garcia is a BOSS at home. These two games are a prime example of how good both starting pitching staffs are and you shouldn't expect a ton of runs.

Mike's pimping a Card and I agree. What's going on?

Vottomatic
04-30-2013, 11:03 PM
Garcia has some of the nastiest off speed stuff in the league and has been one of the top left handed pitchers in baseball when he's healthy. There's a reason for it. Now if they could fix his road woes, that would be great.

Meh. I've never been impressed with Garcia.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:04 PM
Garcia has some of the nastiest off speed stuff in the league and has been one of the top left handed pitchers in baseball when he's healthy. There's a reason for it. Now if they could fix his road woes, that would be great.

Disagree.

I'm going to disagree with every post the rest of the night. Just for fun.

MikeThierry
04-30-2013, 11:04 PM
Anyway, back to watching glorious playoff hockey. Good luck to the Reds the rest of the way.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:04 PM
Dang. Single past the diving Phillips.

texasdave
04-30-2013, 11:04 PM
Derrick caught just enough of that baseball. LOL.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 11:04 PM
Bronson starting to elevate his pitches. Not a good sign usually.

Thankfully, Arroyo has a low pitch count tonight, 75. I never trust him beyond 90 pitches. He's often excellent within the 90 pitches.

I hope he can get one more out here. One on, two outs.

kaldaniels
04-30-2013, 11:04 PM
Meh. I've never been impressed with Garcia.

I wasn't a believer the first few years, but now I reluctantly have to accept that he is good.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:05 PM
Mike's pimping a Card and I agree. What's going on?

Somebody check Kal's meds! Hurry!

MikeThierry
04-30-2013, 11:05 PM
Mike's pimping a Card and I agree. What's going on?

lol statistics proving it out maybe? I'm blaming it on Aliens :)

texasdave
04-30-2013, 11:05 PM
Dang. Single past the diving Phillips.

Disagree. :laugh:

Vottomatic
04-30-2013, 11:05 PM
Thankfully, Arroyo has a low pitch count tonight, 75. I never trust him beyond 90 pitches. He's often excellent within the 90 pitches.

I hope he can get one more out here. One on, two outs.

Dusty will watch the wheels fall off. You can be sure of that.

MikeThierry
04-30-2013, 11:06 PM
Disagree.

I'm going to disagree with every post the rest of the night. Just for fun.

Oh come on... you know you're tempted to agree. Come to the dark side!

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:06 PM
i wasn't a believer the first few years, but now i reluctantly have to accept that he is good.

blasphemer!!!!! Heretic!!!!!!

Kc61
04-30-2013, 11:06 PM
On the Cards telecast they just flashed the score as 3-1 Cards.

Latest trick by the Gashouse Gang.

With the Reds' luck, it might work.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:07 PM
Disagree. :laugh:

Dave for the win! :lol::beerme::lol:

Kc61
04-30-2013, 11:09 PM
I guess that was Izturis pinch hitting. Cards showing how their pitchers get ground balls.

Now Choo.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:09 PM
Oh come on... you know you're tempted to agree. Come to the dark side!

No! That's not possible! /Luke

Kc61
04-30-2013, 11:10 PM
16 ground ball outs for the Reds tonight.

Vottomatic
04-30-2013, 11:12 PM
Garcia still in. I guess Matheny wants to blow his arm out.

Tadasimha
04-30-2013, 11:12 PM
Oh come on... you know you're tempted to agree. Come to the dark side!

At least he's finally admitted the organization is evil! ;)

"Evil! Pure and simple from the 8th dimension!"

malcontent
04-30-2013, 11:12 PM
Boy I'm glad Cozart saw 4 PA tonight.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:12 PM
16 ground ball outs for the Reds tonight.

Reds 16, Gophers 2, Worms 14.

757690
04-30-2013, 11:12 PM
Garcia has some of the nastiest off speed stuff in the league and has been one of the top left handed pitchers in baseball when he's healthy. There's a reason for it. Now if they could fix his road woes, that would be great.

Better sandpaper in Saint Louis.

kaldaniels
04-30-2013, 11:13 PM
7 IP 0 K for Bronson

Whatever works.

texasdave
04-30-2013, 11:13 PM
If a pitcher is keeping the ball down and getting a ton of ground balls, isn't there any way for hitters to combat that? Get into a deeper crouch or something? Or are hitters just at the mercy of the pitcher in that situation?

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:13 PM
Garcia still in. I guess Matheny wants to blow his arm out.

Not that I'm against this idea...but he's at like 92 pitches.

malcontent
04-30-2013, 11:13 PM
Would Cesar lose confidence if Baker had used Leake to PH?

krm1580
04-30-2013, 11:14 PM
16 ground ball outs for the Reds tonight.

I don't understand why when the Reds hit against this guy they don't move up in the batters box to mitigate the effect of his sinker. Its not like he has the ability to blow the ball by you by being 2 feet closer.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:15 PM
7 IP 0 K for Bronson

Whatever works.

I didn't even notice that. That is weird.

Vottomatic
04-30-2013, 11:15 PM
Bases will be loaded for the Reds. 2 outs. Baker will send Corky to the plate. LOL.

foxfire123
04-30-2013, 11:16 PM
I didn't even notice that. That is weird.

LaRosa's gets a break tonight. :)

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:16 PM
Carlos got all of that one. LOL.

malcontent
04-30-2013, 11:16 PM
Angel Hernandez' strike zone needs to shift a foot inside, and he's good.

Red Raindog
04-30-2013, 11:17 PM
sometimes you can fool a hitter too much

Vottomatic
04-30-2013, 11:17 PM
Who's that pitcher for the Phillies? Holliday?

Because Kelch has Halladay hitting for the Cards.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:18 PM
LaRosa's gets a break tonight. :)

Does that promo work for away games? Seriously asking.

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2013, 11:20 PM
6-4-3 DP ends the inning. On to the 9th.

Votto, Philllips and Bruce due up

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:21 PM
That was odd. Why didn't Cozart just take it himself? I'll take the DP...just odd though.

Vottomatic
04-30-2013, 11:21 PM
Larosas delayed their chapter 13 request after about the 5th inning tonight.

foxfire123
04-30-2013, 11:22 PM
Heart of the order. Can we do something guys? Please? I really hate losing to these weiners.

Vottomatic
04-30-2013, 11:22 PM
Ah yes........and now the Cialis commercial comes on. Maybe it would help our hitters swing a better bat?

Kc61
04-30-2013, 11:22 PM
That was odd. Why didn't Cozart just take it himself? I'll take the DP...just odd though.

Cozart is distracted. He's planning his next routine out at the plate.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:23 PM
Heart of the order. Can we do something guys? Please? I really hate losing to these weiners.

http://askmarcbarrett.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/star-trek-make-it-so-300x200.jpg

foxfire123
04-30-2013, 11:23 PM
Hm. New pitcher. Good thing or a bad thing....?

BluegrassRedleg
04-30-2013, 11:25 PM
It's amazing to me that Angel Hernandez still has gainful employment in MLB. Simply amazing.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 11:26 PM
Votto Ks on ball four. Swinging.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:26 PM
I thought Joey was gonna break his bat over his knee. He was pissed there.

malcontent
04-30-2013, 11:26 PM
Votto ain't taking walks anymore.

kaldaniels
04-30-2013, 11:26 PM
Votto about went for the knee bat break.

Tadasimha
04-30-2013, 11:27 PM
Need Phillips to step up here!

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:27 PM
I know the Cards pen is bad....but this is their good one.

foxfire123
04-30-2013, 11:27 PM
Votto Ks on ball four. Swinging.

Gameday showed that right over the plate. Not that they're always right.... lol.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 11:27 PM
No problem. Bruce is up next.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:28 PM
Need Phillips to step up here!

I think it would be more beneficial for the team if Bruce does.

Vottomatic
04-30-2013, 11:28 PM
Man. Why are all the Cardinal players so ugly? Must be the city.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 11:28 PM
Gameday showed that right over the plate. Not that they're always right.... lol.

Hard to imagine. Ball dove almost into the dirt. I guess it could have been late break, after it crossed the plate. But seemed obvious to me. Oh well.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:29 PM
Mujica's got a really nasty splitter.

UCBrownsfan
04-30-2013, 11:29 PM
Garcia has some of the nastiest off speed stuff in the league and has been one of the top left handed pitchers in baseball when he's healthy. There's a reason for it. Now if they could fix his road woes, that would be great.

Eh, he looks a heck of a lot better at home than on the road due to the scorer helping him out...
74 ER 29 Unearned runs at home
124 ER 18 Unearned runs on the road

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:29 PM
Jay's not even close here. *sigh*

texasdave
04-30-2013, 11:30 PM
Jay is, umm, due?

Billy_Bearcat
04-30-2013, 11:30 PM
Every night we're up against Spahn and Sain

Red Raindog
04-30-2013, 11:30 PM
Bruce last hope ---

foxfire123
04-30-2013, 11:30 PM
Jay must have a hot date. Swinging at balls there.

BluegrassRedleg
04-30-2013, 11:31 PM
Heart of the order just completely destroyed by a career journeyman setup guy. :(

Kc61
04-30-2013, 11:31 PM
Bruce wins either way here.

1. Gets a big hit, or

2. Ends April in any event.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:31 PM
Damn. Bruce K's to end the game. He looked badly overmatched there. We REALLY need Jay to get turned around.

Vottomatic
04-30-2013, 11:32 PM
Cardinal players are really rude and arrogant and obnoxious.

Can't stand that team.

foxfire123
04-30-2013, 11:32 PM
Crap.

Red Raindog
04-30-2013, 11:32 PM
K from Bruce --- did Stubbs send him bad mojo?

Tom Servo
04-30-2013, 11:32 PM
Lousy loss. We're bad again.

foxfire123
04-30-2013, 11:32 PM
Cardinal players are really rude and arrogant and obnoxious.

Can't stand that team.

Where did the "Like" button go?

NM, it's back. On some posts at least.

Kc61
04-30-2013, 11:32 PM
Reds threaten early. Hardly score. Somebody on the other side gets a big hit. Reds do nothing in the late innings.

Familiar?

texasdave
04-30-2013, 11:32 PM
40 Ks for Bruce in April.

_Sir_Charles_
04-30-2013, 11:33 PM
Heart of the order just completely destroyed by a career journeyman setup guy. :(

Something changed about Mujica. Not sure what, but this is NOT that same guy.

RedsBrick
04-30-2013, 11:33 PM
Heart of the order shouldn't go down with a whimper like that!

1940757690
04-30-2013, 11:33 PM
Games like this suck more because they so easily coulda and shoulda been won. But, though any loss gets me down, I feel better with this one given what we did yesterday. Really want tomorrow now though. Series win.

holster10
04-30-2013, 11:33 PM
Gosh o mighty....Bruce is looks terrible, flat out terrible. What give's with that guy?

Vottomatic
04-30-2013, 11:34 PM
My brother graduated from Washington University in St. Louis. He just retired from P&G after working there 34 years.

My daughter has a scholarship offer from Wash U. My brother told her not to go there because St. Louis is boring.

LMAO.

Tom Servo
04-30-2013, 11:35 PM
Reds threaten early. Hardly score. Somebody on the other side gets a big hit. Reds do nothing in the late innings.

Familiar?
Sounds like April of last year.

Roy Tucker
04-30-2013, 11:35 PM
Do the Reds know Mujica throws a splitter?

foxfire123
04-30-2013, 11:36 PM
Something changed about Mujica. Not sure what, but this is NOT that same guy.

Um, that tends to happen when they come to St Louis. :devil: :evil: :cool:

Billy Hamilton's Legs
04-30-2013, 11:36 PM
I forget, I know a bunch of people (probably RMR) have tried to analyze bruce's "streakiness" to see if it actually has statistical data to back it up, but I dont remember what anyone found. Could someone remind me? It's so peculiar to see him go through these cold and hot streaks. I know he hasn't gotten a "hot streak" yet this year, but I'm not worried; it'll happen soon enough