5/14/2013 Reds vs Fish

[cumberlandreds]

Here is the Reds lineup for tonight. Bruce with the night off. Lutz in RF.


1. Shin-Soo Choo (L) CF
2. Zack Cozart (R) SS
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
5. Xavier Paul (L) LF
6. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
7. Donald Lutz (L) RF
8. Ryan Hanigan (R) C
9. Homer Bailey (R) P

[NebraskaRed]

Is there a lineup for the Marlins? Or is it a situation where whoever happens to show up gets to play?

[cumberlandreds]

Is there a lineup for the Marlins? Or is it a situation where whoever happens to show up gets to play?

None yet. Still picking from the hat.

[NebraskaRed]

Maybe they send a text to everyone on the roster that says "Hey guys, come to the stadium for a big, important meeting" and whoever happens to fall for it gets put into the lineup

[Tom Servo]

Or is it a situation where whoever happens to show up gets to play?
Austin Kearns: Hey skip, I'm back from the restricted list. What time does the game tonight start again?

Mike Redmond: What time can you get here?

[guttle11]

Austin Kearns: Hey skip, I'm back from the restricted list. What time does the game tonight start again?

Mike Redmond: What time can you get here?

I hear Stanton may bring his neighbor tonight. He was all league in high school.

[RichRed]

First 9 fans in attendance get to play. It might take two nights to find enough fan-players to fill the bench though.

[texasdave]

What are the MLB rules on ghost runners?

[RedsBrick]

They could also institute a game of 'left field ball' where anything hit to the right of second is an out....

We played that WAY too much when I was a kid....I became a dead pull hitter!

[Billy Hamilton's Legs]

not sure i like the benching of bruce here. seemed to be on a streak and in an albeit small sample size of 19 PAs, he's OPSing .982 against nolasco

[LeDoux]

The Fish:

Pierre, LF
Polanco, 3B
Dietrich, 2B
Ozuna, RF
Ruggiano, CF
Dobbs, 1B
Hechavarria, SS
Brantly, C
Nolasco, P

[SirFelixCat]

8 days, 8 AB's for Mes. Just sayin'....

[50YrRedsFan]

The Fish:

Pierre, LF
Polanco, 3B
Dietrich, 2B
Ozuna, RF
Ruggiano, CF
Dobbs, 1B
Hechavarria, SS
Brantly, C
Nolasco, P

Looking at this lineup: How have the Marlins won 11 games?
The Marlins are only 3 wins behind the Angels. Go figure.
Angels are 10 games behind Texas.
Marlins are 'only' 11 games behind Atlanta

[ProfessorTofty]

Homer Bailey is batting .300?

[50YrRedsFan]

1st and 3rd, 1 out for the Reds

[ProfessorTofty]

A single to put us on the board!

[50YrRedsFan]

RBI single for BP, 1-0 Reds , top 1, still only 1 out.

[ProfessorTofty]

Strikeout for Xavier Paul, so it's still first and second, now with two outs.

[50YrRedsFan]

Paul K's, 2 out

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds leave 2 on as Frazier K's, 1-0 mid 1st

[ProfessorTofty]

Pierre gets a leadoff double for the Marlins.

[Raisor]

RBI single for BP, 1-0 Reds , top 1, still only 1 out.

This is the most optimistic thing you've ever posted

[ProfessorTofty]

Base hit for the Marlins's Dietrich, and now it's tied.

[50YrRedsFan]

Marlins tie it 1-1 with a single by Dietrich

[ProfessorTofty]

Ruggiano is struck out, so the Marlins strand one at second and the score is still tied.

[50YrRedsFan]

Bailey K's Ruggiano, 1-1 tie, end 1.

[50YrRedsFan]

Quiet here tonight....a game where everyone thinks the Reds will win, so they are not here.

[50YrRedsFan]

Lutz flies out leading off the 2nd

[50YrRedsFan]

Hanigan singles

[50YrRedsFan]

Bailey sacrifices Hanny to 2nd. 2 out.

[ProfessorTofty]

Bailey gets a sacrifice, advancing the runner to second. (And yeah, I would guess most people have already written this one as most likely being for the Reds.)

[50YrRedsFan]

Choo hbp AGAIN

[ProfessorTofty]

Bases loaded situation with Votto at the plate.

[50YrRedsFan]

Cozart with his 2nd hit..bases loaded, 2 out for Votto.

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds can blow it open with big hit here.

[Gallen5862]

Thanks for the PBP.

[ProfessorTofty]

I'm gonna be disappointed if we don't get something here...

[hebroncougar]

I could have swore Nolasco balked before he stepped off before the 2-2 pitch.

[ProfessorTofty]

Ha! Walked in the run.

[50YrRedsFan]

Bases loaded walk to Votto, 2-1 Reds

[CarolinaRedleg]

BB RBI. I'll take a free run.

[ProfessorTofty]

3-1 count. Another run walked in would work for me.

[50YrRedsFan]

Nolasco is not long for this game the way he's going.

[ProfessorTofty]

Whew! Back-to-back runs walked in. Coaching visit to the mound.

[50YrRedsFan]

Paul can put the whammy on the Fish here.

[RedsManRick]

Some top notch situational hitting from Joe Vo & DatDude -- and I mean that earnestly. Both got the job done. There are times when walks do drive in runs.

[jhiller21]

Welsh and Kelch discussing dirty helmets. Welsh likes it, Kelch doesn't.

I remember Choo's being so covered in pine tar you couldn't see the "C" on it. He's since cleaned it off a little. I honestly don't care how dirty they let it get, as long as they produce.

[ProfessorTofty]

3-1 count again. We could do this all evening. Just keep walking 'em in.

[50YrRedsFan]

3rd walk in a row coming up?

[ProfessorTofty]

No! 3 run double! And this one is wide open!

[CarolinaRedleg]

BAM!

[Tom Servo]

X gon give it to ya.

[ProfessorTofty]

Well, Frazier out, but not before the Reds take a five-run lead.

[50YrRedsFan]

Just what the Doctor ordered....bases clearing double by Paul. Frazier flies out to end the 2nd. 6-1 Reds, mid 2.

[CarolinaRedleg]

That half inning was certainly Volquezian.

[klw]

Why on earth did Frazier swing at the first pitch?????????

[50YrRedsFan]

Only 3 hits to get 5 runs that inning.

[50YrRedsFan]

Now that the Reds have a comfortable lead, time to walk the dogs .....

[Raisor]

Only down side is I have the fish pitcher on my fantasy team

[nate]

Chat is open!

[ProfessorTofty]

K on Brantly and it's two out, with one at first for the Marlins.

[WildcatFan]

I don't think Kelch and Welsh like each other very much.

[ProfessorTofty]

Three up, three down this time for the Reds.

And Homer Bailey matches it.

[90reds]

CB Bucknor!

[Billy Hamilton's Legs]

I don't think Kelch and Welsh like each other very much.

why do you say that?

[WildcatFan]

why do you say that?

Chris always seems to go out of his way to disagree with Kelch. They bicker like an old married couple that doesn't want to argue in front of the kids.

[ProfessorTofty]

Strikeout to end the bottom of the fourth, and it remains 6-1.

[VR]

Good few innings here by Homer. I'd love to see him get just a bit more efficient and pitch through the 8th.

[Billy Hamilton's Legs]

Chris always seems to go out of his way to disagree with Kelch. They bicker like an old married couple that doesn't want to argue in front of the kids.

hah, now that i am looking for it, i do see it. chris shocked at kelch's suggestion that someone other than leake or cingrani could get sent down (although it seems like kelch was about to clarify his initial statement). interesting dynamic.

[ProfessorTofty]

Brandon Phillips with a single to start the fifth... and out attempting to steal.

[Billy Hamilton's Legs]

man, phillips has lost a good bit of speed over the past few years

[VR]

Looks like Billy Hamilton is finally starting to heat up in Louisville.

[VR]

Frazier seems to be one of those Jay Bruce/ Zack Cozart funks where he never gets ahead in the count.

[ProfessorTofty]

Double play to the end the Marlins's fifth inning. 5-4-3

[VR]

Homer reads RZ. 6 pitch inning to give him hope of going 8. 66 through 5 so far.

[Raisor]

May be going to see Running Billy here in Charlotte tomorrow

[KYRedLeg]

Marlins Stadium looks like they painted it in hopes that somebody could come along later and superimpose something interesting over all the green.

[ProfessorTofty]

Marlins trying to get something going here. Runners on the corners with one out.

[George Foster]

Cards beating the Mets 6-0 in the 3rd....are they ever going to cool off?

[ProfessorTofty]

Well, the Mets aren't exactly formidable competition at the moment, eh? Going in, one would expect about the same result as we're seeing right now with the Reds against the Marlins.

[foxfire123]

May be going to see Running Billy here in Charlotte tomorrow

Dangit Raisor, now I have Running Bear stuck in my head...

[RedsfaninMT]

Well, the Mets aren't exactly formidable competition at the moment, eh? Going in, one would expect about the same result as we're seeing right now with the Reds against the Marlins.

Funny, but I don't hear as many comments about the rest of the east having so many games against the Marlins/Mets as I did last year about the Reds/Cards playing the Astros/Cubs.

[50YrRedsFan]

Back from walking the dogs......where did the offenses go?

[Mutaman]

At what point do we start getting really worried about Frazier?

[757690]

Lutz has a nice arm, better than I expected.

[Tom Servo]

Back from walking the dogs......where did the offenses go?
You're really not happy with a 5 run lead?

[ProfessorTofty]

40Yr - it's cooled off a lot for the Reds, with some 1-2-3 innings. The Marlins just scored one, but they also just ended the inning, so it's now 6-2.

[50YrRedsFan]

At what point do we start getting really worried about Frazier?

Mid June....if he doesn't show signs of improvement. By then, Michael Young
might be available. The Mets are in a free fall. David Wright, anyone?

[malcontent]

At what point do we start getting really worried about Frazier?
He really needs to sit a few games, get his head straight.

Hannahan's a capable replacement.

[50YrRedsFan]

You're really not happy with a 5 run lead?

I thought we would have knocked Nolasco out by the way we started off.

But yes, I love 5 run leads (or 4 run leads now)/

[malcontent]

Lutz has a nice arm, better than I expected.
Yeah, it's really good to see him doing so well in the field.

[50YrRedsFan]

Lutz Just missed!

[ProfessorTofty]

Ah man, that one was so close.

[50YrRedsFan]

Bruce has had his 2 consecutive days now.....maybe Choo needs time off. He's scuffling.

[redsfaninbsg]

Based on the amount of posts tonight, I'm guessing everyone finds Marlins games as boring as I.

[ProfessorTofty]

Well, save that early burst of scoring, it's been a fairly uneventful game on both sides.

[redsfaninbsg]

Nice effort by Bailey tonight, hopefully this sets the tone for the road trip.

[Vottomatic]

Trade Frazier for David Wright.

Yeah baby! ;)

[50YrRedsFan]

I was looking at the box score and saw the number 76 at the bottom. I thought that was the attendance:laugh: It was actually the temperature.

[50YrRedsFan]

Trade Frazier for David Wright.

Yeah baby! ;)

9-0 Cards over Mets tonight.

[ProfessorTofty]

Yep, good job by Bailey. Top of the ninth now-- be great to get in a few more insurance runs, but the important thing at this point will just be to finish them off in the bottom of the ninth.

[Vottomatic]

9-0 Cards over Mets tonight.

So you're saying Dave is available? :laugh:

[Vottomatic]

Joey with his third hit of the game.

[Vottomatic]

BP with his token hit into double play. Eliminates both runners.

[50YrRedsFan]

So you're saying Dave is available? :laugh:

you never know, except the Reds won't pay the money he gets.

[ProfessorTofty]

Homer Bailey stays in. Complete game, possibly?

[Mutaman]

9-0 Cards over Mets tonight.


Its onlt the sixth inning. Mets will never say die.

[757690]

A complete game would be a great blast from the past.

[kaldaniels]

A day after some mock the Cards for letting Lynn throw 124 pitches.

Karma

[BCubb2003]

Who will stop this madness?

[WebScorpion]

Homer looks kind of tired but he's still bringing it at 95mph. :thumbup: He can do it. :beerme:

[Mutaman]

Its onlt the sixth inning. Mets will never say die.

Can I call them: Mets are on the board.

[RedsManRick]

Wow. Pitch 115 at 95mph? Homer is finally getting there, huh?

And for the record, if Bailey isn't losing his form, I'm cool with this pitch count.

[50YrRedsFan]

A day after some mock the Cards for letting Lynn throw 124 pitches.

Karma

I would bet Bailey lobbied Dusty to stay in.

[_Sir_Charles_]

KKKKKKKKKK

[kaldaniels]

I'm way more lenient on abiding by pitch counts on here than most. But up 4 against the Marlins? You save the arm here.

[_Sir_Charles_]

You do NOT have to baby this arm....Homer is a HORSE. Ride 'em!

[_Sir_Charles_]

I would bet Bailey lobbied Dusty to stay in.

And most definitely.

[jfleur87]

95 fb, 90 cutter, 96 and 95 fb in the 9th with over 100 pitches, and with location? Gosh I've enjoyed watching Homer progress.

[Captain Hook]

97 mph in the 9th?:eek:

[757690]

A day after some mock the Cards for letting Lynn throw 124 pitches.

Karma

I actually liked that move. 125 pitches really isn't much, to be honest.

[_Sir_Charles_]

These past 2 years, his delivery is just so smooth and easy. Just a joy to watch.

[kaldaniels]

97 mph in the 9th?:eek:

I don't agree with letting him stay in...but this is Verlander-esque.

[Mutaman]

I'm way more lenient on abiding by pitch counts on here than most. But up 4 against the Marlins? You save the arm here.


Don't agree: Homer thrives on work, always has.

[ProfessorTofty]

He keeps throwing the heat and the batter keeps fouling it off.

[Tony Cloninger]

I would bet Bailey lobbied Dusty to stay in.

I agree. Mechanics good? If so and he is throwing free and easy...he can do it. Just watch him his next start and try to not let him go more than 90-100 pitches.

[_Sir_Charles_]

He's tied his career high in K's again with 10. Love to see him break it here.

[ProfessorTofty]

Bailey complete game, and this one belongs to the Reds!

[kaldaniels]

88 strikes 37 balls on the night

Way to go Homer

[George Foster]

glad he got the complete game but that was way to many pitches in a 6-2 game.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Love it. And this one belongs to the Reds! Homer with a beauty!

[WebScorpion]

and this one belongs to Homer Bailey and the REDS!!!

:jump:

Congrats Homer on the CG! :thumbup:

[jfleur87]

Wow. Sorry this post lacks depth.

Been a Bailey fan since day 1. Heck, my sig has said this looking ago. Also I've had a few whiskeys.

Wow.

[_Sir_Charles_]

100 pitches are not the same for every pitcher. Homer is a big, strong guy and his delivery is unbelievably smooth and easy....125 pitches is NOT overworking him. Not at all.

He has always gotten stronger as he goes deeper in a game. His velocity is a testament to that.

[757690]

Its onlt the sixth inning. Mets will never say die.

Now 9-4, never say die.

[dubc47834]

Good to see Dusty let Homer stay in and get the CG tonite...he deserved at least a shot.

[kaldaniels]

100 pitches are not the same for every pitcher. Homer is a big, strong guy and his delivery is unbelievably smooth and easy....125 pitches is NOT overworking him. Not at all.

I'm not worried about this one game, I assume his arm is fine with it. But now next game he will be on a limited pitch count (I would think). I'd rather keep my options open for his next start, when today's game was pretty much in the bag.

[Captain Hook]

I have no problem at all with the decision to let Homer pitch the 9th. He looked very strong and seemed to be having an easy time of it. Homer's not a kid anymore!!!

[RedsManRick]

I'm way more lenient on abiding by pitch counts on here than most. But up 4 against the Marlins? You save the arm here.

While I would hope Dusty has learned that you don't let Homer do this 4 or 5 times in a row, I think there's something to be said for helping Homer get the confidence that he can reach back for it on #125 should the situation arrive in October. And what better time to do that than when a gopherball makes no difference?

[kaldaniels]

While I would hope Dusty has learned that you don't let Homer do this 4 or 5 times in a row, I think there's something to be said for helping Homer get the confidence that he can reach back for it on #125 should the situation arrive in October.

I was about to say, if pitching a complete game (or reaching a pitch count of x) is something Homer needed to get over the proverbial hump mentally or help his psych in some way, I can waver a bit on the move. I'm with you on your thought above.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'm not worried about this one game, I assume his arm is fine with it. But now next game he will be on a limited pitch count (I would think). I'd rather keep my options open for his next start, when today's game was pretty much in the bag.

See, I don't look at it quite that way. Where they would back off is his off day throwing session. That'll be the light day. I agree that they probably shouldn't push him next time out, but here's the thing...pushing Homer is probably around the 125-130 mark. 100 is kinda babying him IMO. 100 is a good spot for a Mike Leake or a Bronson Arroyo. Smaller build, more stress on the arm with all the breaking balls. Same for Cueto, he's a stronger guys, but the extra torque he puts on his body just with the Tiant-twist alone would make me lean towards 100'ish for Johnny. Latos and Homer...their normal work-load SHOULD be higher than those other guys. Especially Homer with his delivery and effort.

[cincrazy]

125 stress-free pitches against a piss-poor Marlins team isn't anything to get upset about. It's ok to let a guy stretch it out a bit and get a complete game. Geesh the coddling and babying of pitchers goes a little tooooooo far sometimes.

[kaldaniels]

See, I don't look at it quite that way. Where they would back off is his off day throwing session. That'll be the light day. I agree that they probably shouldn't push him next time out, but here's the thing...pushing Homer is probably around the 125-130 mark. 100 is kinda babying him IMO. 100 is a good spot for a Mike Leake or a Bronson Arroyo. Smaller build, more stress on the arm with all the breaking balls. Same for Cueto, he's a stronger guys, but the extra torque he puts on his body just with the Tiant-twist alone would make me lean towards 100'ish for Johnny. Latos and Homer...their normal work-load SHOULD be higher than those other guys. Especially Homer with his delivery end effort.

It's a matter of preference. And face it, tonight was fun to watch!

But again, I'd rather keep my option of him "pushing it" open for his next start. What if it is one of those days where the bullpen has been taxed and they need help from the starter. There's a 90 percent chance everything will work out just fine here, so I acknowledge it's not the end of the world.

3rd highest pitch count in the Majors this year going for a non-shutout complete game up 4 against the Marlins? Not my cup of tea.

[Mutaman]

117 was the most Homer threw last year. Threw 115 in the no-no.

[Caveat Emperor]

I haven't seen Homer hit that kind of number on the gun since his rookie season.

Also, he threw unquestionably his best breaking ball in the 9th as well.

[kaldaniels]

117 was the most Homer threw last year. Threw 115 in the no-no.

Speaking of no-no's, I've got a hunch Homer has another one left in him. Won't necessarily be with the Reds.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Speaking of no-no's, I've got a hunch Homer has another one left in him. Won't necessarily be with the Reds.

Bite your tongue. Extending Homer and Latos should be priority #1 for Walt IMO.

[VR]

Only 2-3 'pressure' at bats. Homer did a great job staying out of trouble.