Reds at Phillies 5-17-13

[_Sir_Charles_]

Choo 8
Cozart 6
Votto 3
Phillips 4
Bruce 9
Frazier 5
Mesoraco 2
Robinson 7

Cingrani LHP

Awesome stat of the day..."Shin-Soo Choo has 17 games this season in which he has reached safely at least three times."

[klw]

Choo line vs. LHP this year:

.159 .327 .205 .532

Reds are facing Cliff Lee tonight, a lefty. And yeah Choo's stats against right handers are really good.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=choosh01&year=2013&t=b

I liked this line by Cingrani:


"It should be good," Cingrani said. "I've got to use a lot of curveballs and indoor sliders. It should be fun. I'm excited to face Cliff Lee. He's why I run off and on the field, because Cliff Lee did that when I was growing up. I also like how he uses his fastball."
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2013_05_17_cinmlb_phimlb_1

[NebraskaRed]

I'm hoping this is will be a nice pitcher's duel. Plus, this might be the last start by Cingrani for awhile.

[NeilHamburger]

I'm hoping the Reds are winning by double digits by the time Cingrani throws a pitch.

[malcontent]

"It should be good," Cingrani said. "I've got to use a lot of curveballs and indoor sliders.'
So he does have both pitches?

[mbgrayson]

Lifetime Reds #s vs. Cliff Lee:

Choo 1 for 3
Cozart 1 for 6, 1 K
Votto 7 for 16, 1 HR, 4 Ks
Phillips 9 for 29, 1 HR, 1 K
Bruce 4 for 18, 1 HR, 6 Ks
Frazier 1 for 5, 2 Ks
Mesoraco, Robinson, and Cingrani have not faced Lee before.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Phillies

Rollins SS
Utley 2B
Young, M. 3B
Howard 1B
Young, D. RF
Brown, D. LF
Ruiz C
Mayberry CF
Lee P

[mbgrayson]

FWIW, Cliff Lee and Choo were teammates on the Indians for 3 or 4 years (2006-09).

[powersackers]

Tough gig tonight. Gotta get to Lee early in the count. Prepare yourself those who complain about swinging at first pitches.

[malcontent]

Robinson would be such a natural fit in the second spot.

[The DARK]

Soooooooo close there.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Dang... Close.

[NebraskaRed]

So...close...

[Red Raindog]

test --- checking to see if I'm the only one here

[NebraskaRed]

test --- checking to see if I'm the only one here

yes

[kbrake]

I'm here...

[NebraskaRed]

My concern over Cozart has transferred to Frazier

[BluegrassRedleg]

Wow. What a break there. Gotta cash in.

[NebraskaRed]

My concern over Cozart has transferred to Frazier

I knew that statement was going to come back to haunt me

[malcontent]

My concern over Cozart has transferred to Frazier
I'm concerned about both.

Frazier will come around eventually. I just think Baker should have given Hannahan more than one start.

Cozart looks like he's heading along the Stubbs/Heisey career path.

[BluegrassRedleg]

How long can he keep Cozart in that hole as an automatic out between two of the NL's top OBP guys?

[RedsfaninMT]

How long can he keep Cozart in that hole as an automatic out between two of the NL's top OBP guys?

Ummm...care to interview Drew Stubbs?

[Red Raindog]

yes

thought so

[Marc D]

How long can he keep Cozart in that hole as an automatic out between two of the NL's top OBP guys?


As long as anyone who plays LF is just as bad or worse would be my guess.

Its getting hard to watch, I know that.

[malcontent]

So glad we get to see Cozart hit four or five times each game.

Brings back the warm T-Virus memories.

[The DARK]

Cingrani looks good so far, but you have to convert those opportunities against Lee. You don't usually get many.

[malcontent]

How long can he keep Cozart in that hole as an automatic out between two of the NL's top OBP guys?
It's Baker. Permanently.

See my sig.

[Red Raindog]

Cingrani looks good so far, but you have to convert those opportunities against Lee. You don't usually get many.

he is up to almost 50 pitches already

looking hard for silver linings

[_Sir_Charles_]

I've only been watching on and off tonight, but I must say I like the improvement in Cingrani's pitch efficiency. 3rd inning and still under 40 pitches. Huge improvement.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Really? Cliff Lee's walk up music is Stranglehold by Ted Nuggent? :O) Too funny.

[malcontent]

Cozart's body language after the strikeout was the definition of futility.

[757690]

I swear Cingrani balks everytime he throws over to first.

[New York Red]

Grrr

[Red Raindog]

crap

those pitches don't come back

[NebraskaRed]

Sending Cingrani down after this start is right thing to do.

[_Sir_Charles_]

2-0 after the Rollins HR btw

[cbowen2112]

Is every low strike being called a ball tonight? He should have had Rollins at 1-2 instead of 3-1.

[nate]

Chat is open!

[The DARK]

That pitch probably punched Cingrani's ticket to the minors.

His off-speed stuff looks excellent, though. The curveball in particular seems to be working, but he needs to be able to throw it in high-pressure situations.

[Red Raindog]

melt down warning

[OGB]

Sending Cingrani down after this start is right thing to do.

He definitely needs to keep working on his secondary pitches.. The league is figuring him out.

[cbowen2112]

And these pitches must be received badly by Mesoraco, because they are actually right at the knees and in the zone. That sucks for the kid. He is throwing strikes, but not getting the low pitch like Lee is.

[New York Red]

Chat is open!
What does this mean? I see it a lot of times in game threads. Is there an ORG chat room?

[OGB]

Hopefully they can keep driving up Lee's pitch count.

[_Sir_Charles_]

That pitch probably punched Cingrani's ticket to the minors.

His off-speed stuff looks excellent, though. The curveball in particular seems to be working, but he needs to be able to throw it in high-pressure situations.

I would certainly hope that this one outing is not how the Reds decide his future (immediate or otherwise). I'm pretty sure they decided quite a while ago what the plan was.

[_Sir_Charles_]

What does this mean? I see it a lot of times in game threads. Is there an ORG chat room?
Top of the screen. Between "about us" and "user cp"

Personally, I think it should be renamed "Chat with Nate"...or not. :O)

[Red Raindog]

Frazier needs help and fast -- anyone think he will get it?

[Kc61]

As long as anyone who plays LF is just as bad or worse would be my guess.

Its getting hard to watch, I know that.

But the guys currently playing LF have done pretty well. So I don't think that's the complete answer.

[cbowen2112]

And there is that low strike call...we need it too blue!

[Red Raindog]

looks like Lee has settled in now

:(

[_Sir_Charles_]

looks like Lee has settled in now

:(

70 pitches already though. We'll see plenty of the pen.

[malcontent]

Frazier needs help and fast -- anyone think he will get it?
From Jacoby?

:lol:

[Red Raindog]

70 pitches already though. We'll see plenty of the pen.

our best hope

[klw]

I'm not watching that closely tonight, has Utley faked a HBP yet?

[malcontent]

But the guys currently playing LF have done pretty well. So I don't think that's the complete answer.
Yep. They've been winning with them.

I can't wait to see Heisey and his hacktastic ways reclaim LF.

[kbrake]

I'm not watching that closely tonight, has Utley faked a HBP yet?

Hasn't been a big enough spot yet. Don't worry I'm sure he'll get around to it.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'm not watching that closely tonight, has Utley faked a HBP yet?

A couple from the ODC but the ump wasn't biting. ;)

[malcontent]

89/90 mph ain't gonna get the job done

[Red Raindog]

89/90 mph ain't gonna get the job done

not scoring won't either

[Kc61]

Looking at Cingrani's numbers, his K rate is terrific; his hits to innings pitched and WHIP, excellent.

His downfall has been entirely the gopher ball. Many of them look like mistakes right in the zone.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cingrani's got some wheels. He made that close.

[Red Raindog]

Joey needs to run into one

[nate]

What does this mean? I see it a lot of times in game threads. Is there an ORG chat room?

It means you can click on "Chat" up in the top left under the Redszone logo (depending on your "theme") and join us for our award-winning game chat.

[Marc D]

But the guys currently playing LF have done pretty well. So I don't think that's the complete answer.

Well the rest of it lies with a guy who's name rhymes with Fusty but I don't feel like getting into another one of those trainwreck threads.

Based on the way Dusty appears to view the #2 hitters spot, a place for a guy with some pop to see a lot of fastballs to help him out, it would seem Frazier could use some time in that spot.

Won't happen but the argument can be made.

The only other thing you can do is bundle up all your auto outs in the 6-9 holes and hope for the best. It might be worth a shot.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Inches away from a Cliff Lee dinger.

[Red Raindog]

thought Lee got that one

[klw]

ANother hit by Cozy sandwiched by outs by Choo and Votto. It must be so frustrating hitting between two guys that fail 65% of the time!

[Kc61]

Well the rest of it lies with a guy who's name rhymes with Fusty but I don't feel like getting into another one of those trainwreck threads.

Based on the way Dusty appears to view the #2 hitters spot, a place for a guy with some pop to see a lot of fastballs to help him out, it would seem Frazier could use some time in that spot.

Won't happen but the argument can be made.

The only other thing you can do is bundle up all your auto outs in the 6-9 holes and hope for the best. It might be worth a shot.

I think Dusty doesn't want his "power" types like Frazier hitting second. And he doesn't want a lefty (XPaul) hitting second between Choo and Votto. So Cozart gets it by default.

He'll try other righty hitters. He tried Heisey who didn't hit. Ask Dusty, he'll say the ideal guy is not on the roster.

I would simply put Xavier Paul second against RHP and Derrick Robinson against LHP. I'd go with CF, LF instead of CF, SS. With this roster.

[corkedbat]

If Billy Hamilton were to catch fire and the Reds bring him up to play CF moving Choo to left, would Dusty leadoff Billy, leave Cozart second in the order and drop Choo to eighth?

Is CF leads off, SS bats 2nd a superstition for Dusty, a promise he made his mom or some kind of weird OCD manifestation?

[BCubb2003]

Maybe Chapman needs to teach Cingrani a slider.

[Red Raindog]

I've only been watching on and off tonight, but I must say I like the improvement in Cingrani's pitch efficiency. 3rd inning and still under 40 pitches. Huge improvement.

jinx

[Kc61]

If Billy Hamilton were to catch fire and the Reds bring him up to play CF moving Choo to left, would Dusty leadoff Billy, leave Cozart second in the order and drop Choo to eighth?

Is CF leads off, SS bats 2nd a superstition for Dusty, a promise he made his mom or some kind of weird OCD manifestation?

I think the CF SS thing is overdone, it's funny, but it's overdone.

I once looked back at this and there have been long stretches when the SS didn't hit second for the Reds under Dusty.

And this year, Phillips would hit second if Ludwick were healthy.

Dusty is much more concerned with breaking up the lefties than he is with CF SS.

But this year, well, it is CF SS.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wow. Where in the world did that miss?!? I don't normally complain about the zone much, but goodness!

[Red Raindog]

Howard did Cingrani a favor with that swing

[_Sir_Charles_]

jinx

No doubt. The 3rd & 4th innings were heavy on him.

[OGB]

Tony, Tony, Tony...it Feels Good to have you on the team, but Let's Get Down with those fastballs. You can throw Wnatever You Want, just Don't Fall in Love with belt high heaters.

[Red Raindog]

No doubt. The 3rd & 4th innings were heavy on him.

Please post that I have no chance at the Powerball on Saturday

:pray:

[holster10]

Seems like Lee is getting some generous strike calls that aren't going both ways.

[klw]

Dat Dude Double

Bring em in

[Kc61]

If Bruce wants to hit to left more, this would be a good pitcher to give a try.

As I typed that I said, prove me wrong Jay. He did. Homer.

[_Sir_Charles_]

bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce!!!!

[klw]

Bruuuuuuuce

3-2 Phil's

[Red Raindog]

I was just getting ready post the question - how in the heck does Bruce have only 3 homers in the middle of May?

and another victory -- Frazier made contact

[Kc61]

Seems like Lee is getting some generous strike calls that aren't going both ways.

Reminds me of Halladay's no-hitter in the playoffs. Great pitcher but he threw all strikes that day. One of the Reds said afterward that the team had no chance.

[Tom Servo]

Frazier 0 for his last 17, I believe.

[BluegrassRedleg]

That's a great sign vs. Lee. Get up, Bruce. :beerme:

[Kc61]

Frazier 0 for his last 17, I believe.

Now hitting .216 according to the in-game box score on ESPN.

Tough game.

[Red Raindog]

Frazier 0 for his last 17, I believe.

yes

he looks as lost as can be now

[_Sir_Charles_]

Please post that I have no chance at the Powerball on Saturday

:pray:

If I were to do that, you'd clearly have to split the winnings. :beerme:

And yes, you have no chance at the Powerball on Saturday.

[Kc61]

David Freese grand slam, Cards get five in first inning against Milwaukee in St. Louis.

Ondrusek on, gets the first guy.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Logan on the bump now for Cincy

[Red Raindog]

If I were to do that, you'd clearly have to split the winnings. :beerme:

And yes, you have no chance at the Powerball on Saturday.

I'd split it with the government -- gladly

[Big Klu]

Congratulations to Jay Bruce, who has passed Joey Votto for 17th place on the Reds' all-time home run list!


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Brandon Phillips - 149
16. Lee May - 147
17. Jay Bruce - 138
18. Joey Votto - 137
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101

[_Sir_Charles_]

1-2-3 for Logan. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I simply don't get the grief that Logan takes on here. Solid reliever IMO.

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

1-2-3 for Logan. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I simply don't get the grief that Logan takes on here. Solid reliever IMO.

His peaks and valleys are just so far apart. Which technically makes him like 90% of the relievers in the big leagues.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Congratulations to Jay Bruce, who has passed Joey Votto for 17th place on the Reds' all-time home run list!


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270

Just to put things into perspective a bit...had Dunner stayed here...he's at 415 now.

[OGB]

1-2-3 for Logan. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I simply don't get the grief that Logan takes on here. Solid reliever IMO.

That's because he's currently throwing well and not walking batters at an alarming rate.

[Red Raindog]

2 pitches 2 outs

107 for game

[_Sir_Charles_]

His peaks and valleys are just so far apart. Which technically makes him like 90% of the relievers in the big leagues.

His peaks are much more common than the valleys. I think the thing that most Logan-haters focus on is his low K rate. On a team with poor defense, that's a big concern...but not here IMO.

[_Sir_Charles_]

LeCure in.

[Big Klu]

Just to put things into perspective a bit...had Dunner stayed here...he's at 415 now.

Pounds? :evil:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Dude! Nice! :O)

[_Sir_Charles_]

Punch out for Sam.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Fire up the Daynce Mix! Popeye to the dish. Lee is done.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Punch out #2 for Sammy. MVP for the Reds pen....this guy.

[50YrRedsFan]

Cards now 6-0 over Brewers, 3rd inning

[Red Raindog]

I like watching Sam carve them up

[RiverRat13]

His peaks are much more common than the valleys. I think the thing that most Logan-haters focus on is his low K rate. On a team with poor defense, that's a big concern...but not here IMO.

You can get by with a low K rate if you have a low BB rate. Ondrusek's career ratio is poor.

[jhiller21]

LeCure is nails, he's been nothing short of outstanding.

[_Sir_Charles_]

1-2-3 for LeCure. Like clockwork. Great inning Sam. I could've done without you picking your nose on the mound, but that'd just be .... ummm...picking nits? :O)

[_Sir_Charles_]

You can get by with a low K rate if you have a low BB rate. Ondrusek's career ratio is poor.

When he has that bad outing, it's usually due to the walks. So yeah they come in bunches. But for a guy who does what he does...he still "get's by" as you say. Not every reliever has to be Sam LeCure or Aroldis Chapman. You need reliable guys to eat innings too who can give you quality innings the majority of the time. Logan fits that bill.

[_Sir_Charles_]

BYE BYE! Votto BOMB! :jump: That got out of here in a HURRY! Simply CRUSHED!

[jhiller21]

Votto smokes one out!

[Red Raindog]

that was crushed

[WildcatFan]

What a blast!!!!!

[BluegrassRedleg]

B-O-M-B

WOW

[50YrRedsFan]

Votto ties it up

[Red Raindog]

I think that would have hit the Tundra

[Falcon7]

See what happens when you try to pull the ball every now and then...

[KYRedLeg]

I'd love to hear the distance on that one.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I think that would have hit the Tundra off its platform

Fixed that for you.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'd love to hear the distance on that one.

I'll let you know as soon as it lands. :thumbup:

[_Sir_Charles_]

I do believe somebody is locked in. Single for Jay.

[757690]

Cliff Lee is thinking the Phillies new pitcher is his last name, but without one letter ;)

[Red Raindog]

Fixed that for you.

thx -- maybe into the river

[Falcon7]

Looked high and inside to BP!

[jhiller21]

Bastardo isn't a good name to have if you give it up in front of Philly fans.

[OGB]

I think that would have hit the Tundra

You're right, that was around the exact same part of the park and certainly long enough

[50YrRedsFan]

Time for Frazier to break that 0-fer streak.

[Kc61]

Phillips was called out on a rather disturbing call strike three. Then Bruce singles.

I hope Sean Marshall is warming up to pitch the eighth.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cliff Lee is thinking the Phillies new pitcher is his last name, but without one letter ;)


"Le"? "Ee"? ....Ohhhhhhh...you mean Bastardo. Gotcha. ;)

New pitcher. Darn. Are you sure? I think Bastardo needs the work...I'd leave him out there for a few more just to make sure.

[dougdirt]

"Official" distance on the Votto home run was 420 feet. That means it wouldn't have been close to reaching the Tundra sign. Whether that distance is right or not.....

[_Sir_Charles_]

De Fratus in. Who?

[BluegrassRedleg]

Brutal. Poor ol' Frazier.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wow. Young robs Frazier. He's got to be thinking to himself "damn, I can't catch a break".

[50YrRedsFan]

Frazier with no luck there.

[Falcon7]

And that's baseball, Todd...

[_Sir_Charles_]

Love to see Mes turn on one here.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Inning over. Pop out to short. 3-3 ballgame.

[Big Klu]

Congratulations to Joey Votto, who has tied Jay Bruce for 17th place on the Reds' all-time home run list!


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Brandon Phillips - 149
16. Lee May - 147
17. Jay Bruce - 138
17. Joey Votto - 138
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101

[_Sir_Charles_]

Sean Marshall in...tough part of the lineup.

WOW. Love that hook! He's got it tonight.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Broxton warming.

Utley blown away. 1 down.

[Falcon7]

Votto's HR's are all solo shots, 3 leading off an inning.

[dougdirt]

Votto's HR's are all solo shots, 3 leading off an inning.

He should totally save them up for when the bases are loaded.

[_Sir_Charles_]

MAN! That's just not fair. Is that the best curveball in the bigs right now? It's got to be awfully close.

[BCubb2003]

Congratulations to Joey Votto, who has tied Jay Bruce for 17th place on the Reds' all-time home run list!


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Brandon Phillips - 149
16. Lee May - 147
17. Jay Bruce - 138
17. Joey Votto - 138
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101

I wonder how often Brandon, Jay and Joey have caught each other?

[LaFlamaBlanca]

Congratulations to Joey Votto, who has tied Jay Bruce for 17th place on the Reds' all-time home run list!


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Brandon Phillips - 149
16. Lee May - 147
17. Jay Bruce - 138
17. Joey Votto - 138


Pretty cool that at age 26, Jay Bruce is 17th in HRs for a club that has existed 113 years.

[OGB]

Young is having a real good AB

[_Sir_Charles_]

BB

[Kc61]

Pretty cool that at age 26, Jay Bruce is 17th in HRs for a club that has existed 113 years.

Bruce deserves kudos. So does GABP.

[Big Klu]

I wonder how often Brandon, Jay and Joey have caught each other?

Joey has played leapfrog with both Brandon and Jay quite a bit the last couple of years. Brandon and Jay have yet to interact with each other, though.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Crud. Tapper back to Sean and he can't get a grip in the glove. IF single.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Need to roll one over here. C'mon. Little 6-4-3.

[CrackerJack]

Geesh, that was some ball-in-play-luck right there...

[_Sir_Charles_]

Double switch. Broxton in. Not sure of the 2nd one yet.

[OGB]

That scorekeeper oughta be ashamed of himself.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hanigan in for Mesoraco. Good move.

[OGB]

Double switch. Broxton in. Not sure of the 2nd one yet.

Paul. Robi son was on deck

Never mind, I wasnt thinking straight obviously

[Kc61]

Probably XPaul to hit ninth and Derrick Robinson out of the game. Doesn't make sense for defense, but whatever. Hanigan in ? Whatever.

Hope Broxton has it tonight because it would be painful to lose on that play. The Young walk was understandable very long at bat, but Sean needs to get Howard on that squib.

Brox HBP. Just terrible. Giving this game away. Terrible.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Paul. Robi son was on deck

Nah, they want his defense in there.

[_Sir_Charles_]

1st pitch. HBP. *sigh*

[Billy_Bearcat]

This is typical of a Reds game in Philly

[_Sir_Charles_]

Broxton...2 words.

THROW. STRIKES.

[Kc61]

HBP really hurts. Brown is a LH hitter, Marshall could still be in the game. Brox's job was to get that last hitter, not to hit him.

[Falcon7]

Congratulations to Joey Votto, who has tied Jay Bruce for 17th place on the Reds' all-time home run list!

And only big Klu has HR's prior to 1950 on this list.


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Brandon Phillips - 149
16. Lee May - 147
17. Jay Bruce - 138
17. Joey Votto - 138
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101

[WVRedsFan]

Wow, classic bullpen fail

[BluegrassRedleg]

What a complete BS inning.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Dumb decision by BP with that man running. Take the out.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Damn. Slim shot at a dp there, but a poor flip to Phillips who tries to barehand it....everybody safe. I don't think they would've got the fast Brown regardless.

[CrackerJack]

Eh, that was a poor toss by Cozart there...

[BluegrassRedleg]

And now Votto misreads a ball he had a play on. Geezus...

[Billy_Bearcat]

Joey alligator armed that one

[LaFlamaBlanca]

Bruce deserves kudos. So does GABP.

Good point.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

I don't think Broxton is horrible. I just don't think he's that good.

I'm surprised this organization (which has been money the past two years) paid him so much and considered making him a closer.

[OGB]

Ugly inning. Votto couldve had that

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wow, classic bullpen fail

Disagree. This has been some incredibly poor luck IMO. Great ab by Young. HBP was unfortunate, but a ball hasn't left the infield yet.

[dougdirt]

Eh, that was a poor toss by Cozart there...

Certainly wasn't perfect, but it was at the bag. Phillips should have used his glove.

[WildcatFan]

Gotta take the out there. Wouldn't have gotten Brown. That sucks.

[cbowen2112]

Hate to put it all on the HP ump. But once again, the walk to Michael Young should have been a K all day long. Therefore, no way would Marshall have come out of the game and even if Howard reaches, he stays in.

[Falcon7]

Did not like that (lack of) effort by Votto!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bad call! He was nailed. BS!

[WildcatFan]

Horse**** call ump!!!!!

[WVRedsFan]

Well, that's that. Sad

[Raisor]

Votto's HR's are all solo shots, 3 leading off an inning.

He just doesn't care enough

[WildcatFan]

Hanigan blocked the plate as well as you could have. That was missed badly.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hanny's foot blocked his left hand. He never reached the plate with it. He was nailed.

Btw...what a throw by Choo.

[CrackerJack]

Dumb decision by BP with that man running. Take the out.

Thought so too until I saw the replay, a good toss to him at least gets the man at second, he had to reach behind his shoulder and barehand it...could've caught it though, not sure it would've mattered.

[Falcon7]

I don't think he touched the plate.

[Stray]

Tough luck inning, lotta plays that we'll usually make.

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[Big Klu]

Probably XPaul to hit ninth and Derrick Robinson out of the game. Doesn't make sense for defense, but whatever. Hanigan in ? Whatever.

Mesoraco was the last batter in the 8th. Robinson is scheduled to lead off the 9th.

[WildcatFan]

Good on Hanigan to not get tossed. I think Hannahan is the emergency third catcher.

[durl]

Well, I may change my mind about expanding replay. I'm always amazed at how umps "see" something that never happened.

[Redsfansince72]

i never seen Hanigan get that upset and he had blocked the plate.. the ump had a awful view from behind.. goodness

[_Sir_Charles_]

Thought so too until I saw the replay, a good toss to him at least gets the man at second, he had to reach behind his shoulder and barehand it...could've caught it though, not sure it would've mattered.

His only chance to catch that ball was to barehand it. The error went to Phillips, but it should've gone to Cozy for the flip. It was poor.

[Billy_Bearcat]

That was a great play by Choo and Hannigan. Tough call at the plate. Thought he blocked him but no angle was definitive.

[Falcon7]

Thought so too until I saw the replay, a good toss to him at least gets the man at second, he had to reach behind his shoulder and barehand it...could've caught it though, not sure it would've mattered.

Getting an out would not have mattered?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Mesoraco was the last batter in the 8th. Robinson is scheduled to lead off the 9th.

Exactly. We can still PH for Derrick. But the move Dusty did allowed the best defense to stay in for now.

[50YrRedsFan]

Without a 9th inning miracle, it looks like we'll lose the game we picked up on the Cards yesterday.

[BCubb2003]

Ryan Howard's speed made that inning happen.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Well, I may change my mind about expanding replay. I'm always amazed at how umps "see" something that never happened.

To be fair...that was a VERY tough play to call. Inches either way and dust covering it up. Even replay would be hard pressed to overturn that one.

[Redsfansince72]

they beat kimble they can beat Paplebon

[_Sir_Charles_]

And there's the pinch hitter. Paul for Robinson.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ryan Howard's speed made that inning happen.

Thank you. After that inning I needed the chuckle. :O)

[WVRedsFan]

Getting an out would not have mattered?
True. The problem was the walk, which was unnecessary. The dink just one of those thins, but the HPB and the walk was pitcher failure IMHO. It happens, and the second run was not that important.

[Big Klu]

And only big Klu has HR's prior to 1950 on this list.

Ernie Lombardi and Frank McCormick.

[Red Raindog]

walk to get the winning rally started

[_Sir_Charles_]

Without a 9th inning miracle, it looks like we'll lose the game we picked up on the Cards yesterday.

Brewers are working their way into it. That's no sure-fire Cards win. And after a Paul BB, this won't be a "miracle" either.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Hanigan gets screwed on strike 1 after arguing close play at plate.

Really professional.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Payback to Hanny for arguing with the ump? Looked high to me.

[Kc61]

Phils catcher is moving his glove back over the plate after the catch, and getting strikes.

Shocked that Xavier Paul was allowed to walk. It meant calling four balls on a Reds hitter.

Next time Hanigan should block the plate with his car. Maybe they'll give him that call.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Line out to right for Hanigan. Hit it solid, but he was on the defensive after that first strike.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wild pitch. Paul to second....I thought he was going to third for a second. Ruiz couldn't find it.

[BluegrassRedleg]

On a 2-0 pitch... dang.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Crap. Pop out of Choo. Nearly clipped him for a HBP on the previous one.

[CrackerJack]

Getting an out would not have mattered?

It would've been a close call at 2nd by the time he got his hand on it.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Up to Cozart.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cozart is 1 for 2 against Papalbon. A dinger. :O) *crosses fingers*

[50YrRedsFan]

I hate Cozart coming to the plate so many times in a game.

[Falcon7]

Ernie Lombardi and Frank McCormick.

Time to get that 32" computer monitor...

[_Sir_Charles_]

Crud. Ballgame. Tough way to lose.

[50YrRedsFan]

Another Cozart pop up

[Redsfansince72]

GRRRRRRRRRRRr STOP dropping your back shoulder when you swing Cozart!!!!!

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Brandon Phillips - 149
16. Lee May - 147
17. Jay Bruce - 138
17. Joey Votto - 138
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101

[Kc61]

Biggest play of the game was Marshall's failure to throw out Howard on the squib.

Too bad.

[Red Raindog]

This geezer was treated like a rented mule at the Springfield Antique Market today -- so good night cyber friends

[WVRedsFan]

If you only score three or less runs...

[holster10]

cozart wind mill swing yields yet another pop up.....

[WildcatFan]

Well that was a bummer.

[50YrRedsFan]

GRRRRRRRRRRRr STOP dropping your back shoulder when you swing Cozart!!!!!

I vote you to be our hitting coach. Why can't Jacoby see what Cozart is doing?

[Billy_Bearcat]

Another Cozart pop up

SMH. Typical. Glad he's batting 2nd.

[malcontent]

I don't check BABIP, but Cozart's has to be beyond meaningless.

He's Pop-up City.

[Falcon7]

Another Cozart pop up

I've always believed that your best hitter should hit 2nd.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Just one more reason for an out machine like Cozart to be pushed back in the order.

[malcontent]

Just one more reason for an out machine like Cozart to be pushed back in the order.
But, but,....but...if he ain't swingin' good in the 2-hole......

:bang:

[BluegrassRedleg]

Hard to beat quality pitching with three guys in the lineup hitting as poorly as Cozart, Frazier and Hanigan.

[Redsfansince72]

I vote you to be our hitting coach. Why can't Jacoby see what Cozart is doing?

Thanks for the vote.. I wish Jacoby would do his job better.. Votto/Philipps and Choo dont need a hitting coach. Cozart Bruce and Mez are types that need it..

Cozart drops his back shoulder so much and when he doesnt drop it, he hammers the ball -home runs, Doubles etc.. Bruce needs to step and drive the ball thats pitched especially when they pitch him away. when he steps towards 1st he always pulls the ball or pulls off the ball.. he could be as dominate as Choo and Votto if he changed that part of his game.. just wish another coach was the Reds hitting coach.. heck i win the lottery im calling The Reds about it..lol

[BuckeyeRedleg]

But, but,....but...if he ain't swingin' good in the 2-hole......

:bang:

Shortstops gotta bat second, dude.

[malcontent]

Gotta wonder what % of semi-sentient Reds fans think Baker has Cozart in the right place.

10%? 5%?

[holster10]

cozart looks beyond terrible.....definitely looks lost at the plate.

[Tom Servo]

We're bad again. Get em tomorrow.

[holster10]

Gotta wonder what % of semi-sentient Reds fans think Baker has Cozart in the right place.

10%? 5%?

how about .001%

[Norm Chortleton]

This pic posted by someone on twitter

[RedsManRick]

So glad that Cozart was at the plate for that last at bat and not Votto.

[holster10]

Hard to beat quality pitching with three guys in the lineup hitting as poorly as Cozart, Frazier and Hanigan.

Dusty brought Hanny in the game for his bat....LOL

[Redsfansince72]

Just one more reason for an out machine like Cozart to be pushed back in the order.

I wish the beat writers would ask Dusty WHY since he has been a Reds manager he always has to have a out machine either 1st or 2nd in the lineup.. Taveras/Patterson/Gonzo/Cozart/Stubbs/Renteria.. those lack of hitters would never be at the top of any order if i was manager.. your top on base guys would be there and if i didnt have one, i ask for that type of player to be traded for in some way..

[RiverRat13]

That was a heckuva block by Hanigan.

[CrackerJack]

Gotta wonder what % of semi-sentient Reds fans think Baker has Cozart in the right place.

10%? 5%?

The prevailing theory is that he is there to "move Choo over for Votto," as a "sacrificial lamb," but he can't even do that enough (pop ups won't cut it).

So yeah, at what point do you get someone in that spot who can hit or do the job more often? It gets old.

Tonight's loss is what it is, they were due, Broxton was pretty rusty or just isn't getting it done yet.

[holster10]

I know Cozart is the scapegoat but the real anti-heroes tonight were the 8th inning pitching and defense.

[malcontent]

I wish the beat writers would ask Dusty WHY since he has been a Reds manager he always has to have a out machine either 1st or 2nd in the lineup.. Taveras/Patterson/Gonzo/Cozart/Stubbs/Renteria.. those lack of hitters would never be at the top of any order if i was manager.. your top on base guys would be there and if i didnt have one, i ask for that type of player to be traded for in some way..
Good question. We do know that Baker digs his heels in deep when he's confronted on something that he knows is wrong.

Maybe if Twin Peaks BOB asked him to drop Cozart, he'd think about it. Jocketty doesn't have the nerve and wouldn't dare ask, IMO. Maybe if his son asked him....

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hard to beat quality pitching with three guys in the lineup hitting as poorly as Cozart, Frazier and Hanigan.

Disagree on the Hanigan addition to that list. Since the DL, he's been quite good. Prior to the DL, many think he was playing hurt.

5 for 13 since his return FWIW.