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cumberlandreds
05-30-2013, 03:57 PM
This lineup should generate some discussion. I do like Mez DHing. I never thought Dusty would do that. But the old rule still applies,SS always bat 2nd even if they are batting .150.

Reds

1. Shin-Soo Choo (L) CF
2. Cesar Izturis (S) SS
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
5. Jay Bruce (L) RF
6. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
7. Devin Mesoraco (R) DH
8. Derrick Robinson (S) LF
9. Ryan Hanigan (R) C

Indians

1. Michael Bourn (L) CF
2. Jason Kipnis (L) 2B
3. Asdrubal Cabrera (S) SS
4. Nick Swisher (S) 1B
5. Carlos Santana (S) DH
6. Mark Reynolds (R) 3B
7. Michael Brantley (L) LF
8. Yan Gomes (R) C
9. Ryan Raburn (R) RF

klw
05-30-2013, 04:00 PM
Odd to see Cozart out when he is hitting well of late, especially with a left hander starting. Hopefully he is feeling okay/ not injured.

TOBTTReds
05-30-2013, 04:20 PM
I'm totally fearful I will never get over this #2 hitter crap. What I'd pay to see:

1. Choo
2. Votto
3. Phillips
4. Bruce

holster10
05-30-2013, 04:21 PM
Good to see Mez in the lineup. He's batting .385 ave. vs. southpaws.

RedTeamGo!
05-30-2013, 04:23 PM
Izturis....SS...2 hole....Robinson...8...hole....brain.....exploding .....make dusty stop....

Kc61
05-30-2013, 04:24 PM
So Dusty went with two catchers. Hmm. No problem with that, didn't think he'd do it.

No idea why Cozart isn't playing.

texasdave
05-30-2013, 04:26 PM
The pitching match-up is Homer Bailey versus Scott Kazmir. Advantage Reds. (Huge) Time to send Lutz back down for regular work.

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2013, 04:48 PM
Makes no sense to sit Cozart vs a lefty, unless he's sick or injured. Makes even less sense to bat Izturis second. It's incredible how much money Dusty Baker gets paid to manage a major league baseball team.

lollipopcurve
05-30-2013, 04:56 PM
I was wondering if he'd DH Mesoraco. Very glad to see it happen. IMO, they need to make more of an effort to get the kid's bat untracked.

Tom Servo
05-30-2013, 05:02 PM
7. Devin Mesoraco (R) DH

http://25.media.tumblr.com/623f08e08c6d9bbef679313a3f706fd1/tumblr_mfrqm7Z5Ri1rdr25no2_250.gif



8. Derrick Robinson (S) LF

http://25.media.tumblr.com/6b3998f34a7e6e6dae40ffa419807323/tumblr_mfrqm7Z5Ri1rdr25no4_250.gif




2. Cesar Izturis (S) SS

http://24.media.tumblr.com/5f6e09dbc36cdd90ee26ec9688f202a1/tumblr_mfrqm7Z5Ri1rdr25no6_250.gif

RedTeamGo!
05-30-2013, 05:08 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/623f08e08c6d9bbef679313a3f706fd1/tumblr_mfrqm7Z5Ri1rdr25no2_250.gif


http://25.media.tumblr.com/6b3998f34a7e6e6dae40ffa419807323/tumblr_mfrqm7Z5Ri1rdr25no4_250.gif



http://24.media.tumblr.com/5f6e09dbc36cdd90ee26ec9688f202a1/tumblr_mfrqm7Z5Ri1rdr25no6_250.gif

It is truly amazing. This is like Baxter eating a whole wheel of cheese.

NebraskaRed
05-30-2013, 05:47 PM
Can we preemptively make a thread just for people who want to complain about how Izturis is batting 2nd? ;)

Gizmo
05-30-2013, 06:05 PM
Can we preemptively make a thread just for people who want to complain about how Izturis is batting 2nd? ;)
I'm sure it's already in existence.

Red Raindog
05-30-2013, 07:52 PM
I'm totally fearful I will never get over this #2 hitter crap. What I'd pay to see:

1. Choo
2. Votto
3. Phillips
4. Bruce

I'm looking for a therapist that can understand it.....

malcontent
05-30-2013, 07:54 PM
Izturis....SS...2 hole....Robinson...8...hole....brain.....exploding .....make dusty stop....
I know.

Robinson's a SH so if he hit second there still wouldn't be three LHH in a row, which admittedly would stop the Earth's rotation.

Plus, Robinson there would mean SPEED at the top of the lineup, which we know Baker loves. But no. SS bats second.

malcontent
05-30-2013, 07:58 PM
I want to see Cesar get two SH tonite.

RedEye
05-30-2013, 07:58 PM
I know.

Robinson's a SH so if he hit second there still wouldn't be three LHH in a row, which admittedly would stop the Earth's rotation.

Plus, Robinson there would mean SPEED at the top of the lineup, which we know Baker loves. But no. SS bats second.

So your head is exploding because he's not batting Derrick Robinson second? Seems like splitting hairs to me. Believe me, I am just as frustrated, but not because D-Rob is batting in the wrong spot.

OGB
05-30-2013, 08:13 PM
You won't catch me defending Dusty for this lineup tonight, but I would really love to see the game thread absent of complaints about this move (since literally everyone disagrees with it) so the thread doesn't devolve into the exact same argument about Dusty's value/lack thereof as manager that we have many times a week.

OGB
05-30-2013, 08:15 PM
BTW, did I see correctly in the top of the inning that Kazmir hit 94 on the gun? I thought he wasn't garnering interest because he was hovering between 85-89. If he can throw in the low 90's, why weren't there more teams courting him this offseason?

NebraskaRed
05-30-2013, 08:16 PM
you know, that Phillips guy is good at defense.

OGB
05-30-2013, 08:27 PM
I feel like Dusty needs to give Frazier the same sit down treatment he did to Cozart that got him back on track. The kid is Strugggling with a capital S...and an extra g.

malcontent
05-30-2013, 08:27 PM
BTW, did I see correctly in the top of the inning that Kazmir hit 94 on the gun? I thought he wasn't garnering interest because he was hovering between 85-89. If he can throw in the low 90's, why weren't there more teams courting him this offseason?
Good question. With his stuff I don't know why he has been so erratic.

malcontent
05-30-2013, 08:28 PM
I feel like Dusty needs to give Frazier the same sit down treatment he did to Cozart that got him back on track. The kid is Strugggling with a capital S...and an extra g.
Juan Francisco may be available.

BluegrassRedleg
05-30-2013, 08:36 PM
Feeling a Hanny bomb here.

_Sir_Charles_
05-30-2013, 08:36 PM
So Dusty went with two catchers. Hmm. No problem with that, didn't think he'd do it.

No idea why Cozart isn't playing.

My guess, same reason Hannahan played yesterday. With the DH, it's an opportunity to get some guys some extra playing time that they don't normally get. Izturis hasn't gotten much playing time and just like Jack, he needs some reps.

As for the 2 hole...no clue.

BluegrassRedleg
05-30-2013, 08:38 PM
Or not.

wheels
05-30-2013, 08:41 PM
Unrelated to the discussion at hand .....Some guy in a Taylor Made golf hat was mewling aloud about how "freaking" boring Baseball is at my local watering hole.

I really wanna pipe up with some kinda quip....Don't think I'm gonna. With age comes discretion and all of that.

OGB
05-30-2013, 08:43 PM
Cmon, Run Robby, Run!

BluegrassRedleg
05-30-2013, 08:43 PM
Nice AB there for Choo. Hung in there.

ProfessorTofty
05-30-2013, 08:44 PM
Yeah, working the at-bat there, and finally got on. Very good.

NebraskaRed
05-30-2013, 08:45 PM
Izturis got a hit. Just wanted to balance out the anti-Izturis comments

BluegrassRedleg
05-30-2013, 08:46 PM
And a horrible AB from Votto. Man...

Stray
05-30-2013, 08:46 PM
That's frustrating.

Red Raindog
05-30-2013, 08:46 PM
Izturis got a hit. Just wanted to balance out the anti-Izturis comments

but somehow he caused Votto to hit into the DP!

:bang:

NebraskaRed
05-30-2013, 08:47 PM
Yeah, that was...not good.

holster10
05-30-2013, 08:47 PM
Votto was pressing in that AB. He hit a pitcher's pitch into the ground.

Stray
05-30-2013, 08:48 PM
Clearly we need Izturis hitting 3rd.

_Sir_Charles_
05-30-2013, 08:49 PM
Unrelated to the discussion at hand .....Some guy in a Taylor Made golf hat was mewling aloud about how "freaking" boring Baseball is at my local watering hole.

I really wanna pipe up with some kinda quip....Don't think I'm gonna. With age comes discretion and all of that.

Not worth the effort of coming up with a good quip. A simple head punch will suffice. :O)

BluegrassRedleg
05-30-2013, 08:49 PM
Homer's got an old-school bend in his lid tonight. :p

wheels
05-30-2013, 08:51 PM
Not worth the effort of coming up with a good quip. A simple head punch will suffice. :O)

If I weren't a violence averse libertarian .......yeah.:beerme:

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 08:52 PM
Plays like that is when I miss Scotty over there...don't take that as a knock on Frazier either.

_Sir_Charles_
05-30-2013, 08:54 PM
Homer's got an old-school bend in his lid tonight. :p

That's the ONLY way to wear a baseball hat. PERIOD! Anything else looks dumb.

Yes, I'm stating that like a fact. Cuz it is. :O)

wheels
05-30-2013, 08:54 PM
Plays like that is when I miss Scotty over there...don't take that as a knock on Frazier either.

Can't bring him back, brother. Time to move on.

Blitz Dorsey
05-30-2013, 08:55 PM
Two quick Dusty-related things:

1. I don't care that he got a hit, batting Izturis second is Dusty Being Dusty. Textbook. Why wouldn't you want the worst hitter on your team batting in the 2 hole? (Nightmares of the Paul Janish days.)

2. Where are all the people who said last night that you can't (or shouldn't) use your backup catcher as the DH? Obviously, Dusty quickly learned that Mesoraco was his best option as the DH. I don't know how this wasn't crystal clear from the get. Hannahan over Mesoraco as a hitter? OK. I know it was "just one game" but bottom line is it wasn't an intelligent baseball move. Only Dusty would use a defensive specialist/noted bad hitter as a DH.

_Sir_Charles_
05-30-2013, 08:56 PM
Really crossed up Hanigan there. Haven't seen much of that lately.

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 08:56 PM
Can't bring him back, brother. Time to move on.

Oh I know, and I have. Like I said, wasn't knocking the kid, just havin a fond memory of a gold glover...lol

wheels
05-30-2013, 08:57 PM
Two quick Dusty-related things:

1. I don't care that he got a hit, batting Izturis second is Dusty Being Dusty. Textbook. Why wouldn't you want the worst hitter on your team batting in the 2 hole? (Nightmares of the Paul Janish days.)

2. Where are all the people who said last night that you can't (or shouldn't) use your backup catcher as the DH? Obviously, Dusty quickly learned that Mesoraco was his best option as the DH. I don't know how this wasn't crystal clear from the get. Hannahan over Mesoraco as a hitter? OK. I know it was "just one game" but bottom line is it wasn't an intelligent baseball move. Only Dusty would use a defensive specialist/noted bad hitter as a DH.

There is no adequate argument for this post.

NebraskaRed
05-30-2013, 08:57 PM
Two quick Dusty-related things:

1. I don't care that he got a hit, batting Izturis second is Dusty Being Dusty. Textbook. Why wouldn't you want the worst hitter on your team batting in the 2 hole? (Nightmares of the Paul Janish days.)

2. Where are all the people who said last night that you can't (or shouldn't) use your backup catcher as the DH? Obviously, Dusty quickly learned that Mesoraco was his best option as the DH. I don't know how this wasn't crystal clear from the get. Hannahan over Mesoraco as a hitter? OK. I know it was "just one game" but bottom line is it wasn't an intelligent baseball move. Only Dusty would use a defensive specialist/noted bad hitter as a DH.

So, even when he does something you like, you still criticize him ;)

wheels
05-30-2013, 08:59 PM
Oh I know, and I have. Like I said, wasn't knocking the kid, just havin a fond memory of a gold glover...lol

I share your fondness, no doubt about it.

NebraskaRed
05-30-2013, 08:59 PM
Bailey looked pretty good getting them out of that mess.

_Sir_Charles_
05-30-2013, 09:00 PM
Just so you know Blitz, the backup catcher as a DH thing...I was only hesitant to do it because I wasn't familiar with the DH rules if the fielding catcher got hurt. But once it was explained...I was fine with Mes DH'ing.

Although you easily could be talking about someone else. But since the world revolves around me, I automatically assume it's about me. *grin*

malcontent
05-30-2013, 09:01 PM
Just a couple of beautiful splitters from Bailey.

OGB
05-30-2013, 09:01 PM
Two quick Dusty-related things:

1. I don't care that he got a hit, batting Izturis second is Dusty Being Dusty. Textbook. Why wouldn't you want the worst hitter on your team batting in the 2 hole? (Nightmares of the Paul Janish days.)

2. Where are all the people who said last night that you can't (or shouldn't) use your backup catcher as the DH? Obviously, Dusty quickly learned that Mesoraco was his best option as the DH. I don't know how this wasn't crystal clear from the get. Hannahan over Mesoraco as a hitter? OK. I know it was "just one game" but bottom line is it wasn't an intelligent baseball move. Only Dusty would use a defensive specialist/noted bad hitter as a DH.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm relieved to finally hear Blitz weigh in on how he feels about Dusty's nightly decision making. The tension was killing me.

wheels
05-30-2013, 09:01 PM
Question about tonight:

Which pitcher's statistical correction will rule the night?

My guess is Homer. Far better track record. Kazmir is about to crack.

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 09:04 PM
That was fugly!!!

OGB
05-30-2013, 09:04 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm relieved to finally hear Blitz weigh in on how he feels about Dusty's nightly decision making. The tension was killing me.

I'm also relieved to know that while they might not agree on which Paula Dean pillow top set to get, that Pete and Kiana will surely end up with some variety of Paul Dean pillow top set.

wheels
05-30-2013, 09:05 PM
Who in hades is Paula Dean, and why should I buy her products?

That's the real question.

_Sir_Charles_
05-30-2013, 09:06 PM
I don't think I've ever heard someone pronounce Kazmir's name like the Led Zepplin title. LOL.

OGB
05-30-2013, 09:07 PM
Wow, the gold glover almost misplayed that into a triple!

malcontent
05-30-2013, 09:07 PM
Frazier not having as much fun at the old ballpark these days.

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 09:08 PM
Who in hades is Paula Dean, and why should I buy her products?

That's the real question.

She is a ridiculously conceited chef who thought it would be smart to sell beds and linens at ridiculous prices...over rated as a cook from what I hear.

BluegrassRedleg
05-30-2013, 09:09 PM
That's the ONLY way to wear a baseball hat. PERIOD! Anything else looks dumb.

Yes, I'm stating that like a fact. Cuz it is. :O)

I'm with you on that. You just don't see it a whole lot these days. :)

OGB
05-30-2013, 09:10 PM
Who in hades is Paula Dean, and why should I buy her products?

That's the real question.


Food Network's queen of diabetes...for some reason selling bedding

krm1580
05-30-2013, 09:10 PM
Where did Scott Kazmir get his fastball from. In 2011 with the Angels he was not cracking 90 and he was in independant minor leagues in 2012 because nobody wanted him. Gameday shows him hitting 95.

Another astonishing thing, he is only 29. I would have guessed mid 30s. It seems like he has been around forever.

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 09:11 PM
Nasty

RedTeamGo!
05-30-2013, 09:13 PM
Frazier seems like a super nice guy, but he is not a Major League Baseball player. He reminds me of Chris shelton. Came up and took the league by storm, pitchers figured out his swing, goodnight Irene.

dsmith421
05-30-2013, 09:14 PM
Hat question. I bought one of the new Reds BP hats. (I'm not proud of myself, but in mitigation I had a gift card.) I like the mesh style, but the bill is like plywood. With the New Era wool fitted hats, I would just wear the thing in the shower and it would sort of mold properly and then dry in place. What is the best way to get the bill properly curved with these hats?

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 09:15 PM
Frazier seems like a super nice guy, but he is not a Major League Baseball player. He reminds me of Chris shelton. Came up and took the league by storm, pitchers figured out his swing, goodnight Irene.

Crickets...crickets..............

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 09:16 PM
Hat question. I bought one of the new Reds BP hats. (I'm not proud of myself, but in mitigation I had a gift card.) I like the mesh style, but the bill is like plywood. With the New Era wool fitted hats, I would just wear the thing in the shower and it would sort of mold properly and then dry in place. What is the best way to get the bill properly curved with these hats?

Rubberbands or a cup over nite is how I do it.

Blitz Dorsey
05-30-2013, 09:17 PM
I'm also relieved to know that while they might not agree on which Paula Dean pillow top set to get, that Pete and Kiana will surely end up with some variety of Paul Dean pillow top set.

Did you just quote your own post and then respond to it? You're THAT guy?

:p

NebraskaRed
05-30-2013, 09:17 PM
Frazier seems like a super nice guy, but he is not a Major League Baseball player. He reminds me of Chris shelton. Came up and took the league by storm, pitchers figured out his swing, goodnight Irene.

I don't know. Seems like a Major League Baseball player to me. He's got the uniform. He's on a roster. Gets paid and all

Blitz Dorsey
05-30-2013, 09:19 PM
Frazier seems like a super nice guy, but he is not a Major League Baseball player. He reminds me of Chris shelton. Came up and took the league by storm, pitchers figured out his swing, goodnight Irene.

Sorry, you are incorrect. Not a MLB player? C'mon man, get serious.

nate
05-30-2013, 09:19 PM
Chat is open!

RedTeamGo!
05-30-2013, 09:19 PM
I don't know. Seems like a Major League Baseball player to me. He's got the uniform. He's on a roster. Gets paid and all

I understand you are joking but he seems like a AAAA type player to me. Mike Hessman that got hot the first couple months he came up.

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2013, 09:20 PM
0-2 pitch. So frustrating.

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 09:20 PM
Dude golfed that one

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 09:21 PM
I understand you are joking but he seems like a AAAA type player to me. Mike Hessman that got hot the first couple months he came up.

Where is the Reds AAAA affiliate at?

RedTeamGo!
05-30-2013, 09:21 PM
0-2 pitch. Reds pitchers throw so many hittable 0-2 pitches.

Ah so that explains why the starters had an era under 2.00 for 15 straight starts...

wheels
05-30-2013, 09:21 PM
Sorry, you are incorrect. Not a MLB player? C'mon man, get serious.

There are never any exaggerations on Redszone:beerme:

NebraskaRed
05-30-2013, 09:22 PM
I understand you are joking but he seems like a AAAA type player to me. Mike Hessman that got hot the first couple months he came up.

No, I wasn't joking. He really does get paid. And I'm pretty sure that is his uniform.

RedTeamGo!
05-30-2013, 09:23 PM
Where is the Reds AAAA affiliate at?

Was not a typo. An AAAA player is a triple a player that is good enough to play well at AAA level but not good enough to play well at the major league level. Cool the attitude, I asked a question that I was curious what people thought about. You don't want to provide your opinion, don't respond.

Maker_84
05-30-2013, 09:24 PM
progressive field is a house of horrors for the Reds, they just can't win there the last few seasons no matter how well they're playing going in. Reds could learn a thing or 2 or 3 from Cleveland on how to hit with 2 outs in an inning.

texasdave
05-30-2013, 09:24 PM
Where is the Reds AAAA affiliate at?

Ask Brandon Larsen. I am pretty sure he knows. :)

wheels
05-30-2013, 09:25 PM
Bailey, very BABIPable this evening.

Ugh.

LexRedsFan
05-30-2013, 09:25 PM
This team struggles against good teams on the road.

/obvious

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 09:25 PM
Was not a typo. An AAAA player is a triple a player that is good enough to play well at AAA level but not good enough to play well at the major league level. Cool the attitude, I asked a question that I was curious what people thought about. You don't want to provide your opinion, don't respond.

OK thanks, you still didn't answer my question tho.

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2013, 09:26 PM
Last night the Reds had the bases loaded with nobody out and failed to score. Indians scored three runs after having two outs and nobody on base. Tonight the Reds had the bases loaded with one out and Votto up and don't score. Indians bottom of the order has produced five runs with two outs. So frustrating.

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 09:26 PM
Ouch

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 09:27 PM
Last night the Reds had the bases loaded with nobody out and failed to score. Indians scored three runs after having two outs and nobody on base. Tonight the Reds had the bases loaded with one out and Votto up and don't score. Indians bottom of the order has produced three runs with two outs. So frustrating.

Correction...5 runs...lol. Rough inning

wheels
05-30-2013, 09:27 PM
Belt high fastball after belt high fastball.

Wow. Five runs with two outs.

OnBaseMachine
05-30-2013, 09:27 PM
0-2 count, one strike away from being scoreless after four and Bailey completely loses it.

OGB
05-30-2013, 09:28 PM
Did you just quote your own post and then respond to it? You're THAT guy?

:p

I did it for the segue, and I'd do it again, too

texasdave
05-30-2013, 09:28 PM
Robert Stephenson is perfect through five. 6Ks.

Beltway
05-30-2013, 09:29 PM
Trade or DFA Bailey!

RedTeamGo!
05-30-2013, 09:29 PM
OK thanks, you still didn't answer my question tho.

Why do you think Frazier will stick in the majors? I am not seeing it and his .720 ops at third base certainly doesn't shown me anything. His swing is long and uncontrolled. Seems like he guesses a lot. Please enlighten me to as why he will be major league player for years to come other the fact he finished as a rookie of the year contender.

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 09:29 PM
Gotta expect an outing like this every now and then I guess. Homer has been very solid all year!!! Time for the nay sayers in 5....4....3....2.....1................

NebraskaRed
05-30-2013, 09:30 PM
Gotta expect an outing like this every now and then I guess. Homer has been very solid all year!!! Time for the nay sayers in 5....4....3....2.....1................

naaaaaaaaaaay!

Maker_84
05-30-2013, 09:30 PM
Indians aren't that good of a team, this shouldn't be happening

VR
05-30-2013, 09:31 PM
0-2 count, one strike away from being scoreless after four and Bailey completely loses it.

Most of these hits and the HBP came on a neutral or pitchers count. Frustrating.

R_Webb18
05-30-2013, 09:32 PM
Indians aren't that good of a team, this shouldn't be happening

record wise they are decent. Either way they can score some runs.

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 09:32 PM
Indians aren't that good of a team, this shouldn't be happening

Hey, there he is...the man, the myth, the legend. How ya been.

OGB
05-30-2013, 09:32 PM
Reds could learn a thing or 2 or 3 from Cleveland on how to hit with 2 outs in an inning.

That's what makes this all the more frustrating

holster10
05-30-2013, 09:32 PM
Batting practice anyone? Boy, I didn't think there was a "breaking ball" chance the Reds lost this pitching matchup tonight.

smith288
05-30-2013, 09:33 PM
Sometimes it doesn't matter what you throw up there....the other team just is in a zone.

Chalk it up as an L and move on. Maybe they come back, but I doubt it. And don't give me the "don't be negative" stuff. I have no impact on this game.

Billy_Bearcat
05-30-2013, 09:33 PM
Batting practice anyone? Boy, I didn't think there was a "breaking ball" chance the Reds lost this pitching matchup tonight.

Homer comes in with a 3 ERA and gets blasted, meanwhile the chump on the Indians has a 6 ERA and he's Cy Young

NebraskaRed
05-30-2013, 09:34 PM
Hey guys, a little late to the game. Just catching up now. I just started the bottom of the 4th. Bailey is looking great. You know what I like about Bailey? The way that he can really put a batter to bed after getting him 0-2. He is just superb at getting them out.

Wait a second...

wheels
05-30-2013, 09:34 PM
This will never end!

Chip R
05-30-2013, 09:35 PM
Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast.

Maker_84
05-30-2013, 09:35 PM
Hey, there he is...the man, the myth, the legend. How ya been.

i know this is sarcasm but ill bite, i've been good just got done moving down to the Charlotte N.C. area so i've been away for awhile but since i hate Cleveland so much i had to get on and voice my frustration

Billy_Bearcat
05-30-2013, 09:36 PM
This is about the time I start lamenting the fact we get the Indians as a rivalry game and the Cards get the Royals.

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 09:36 PM
Time to watch the Pacers I guess...lol

Beltway
05-30-2013, 09:36 PM
It's been a while since the Reds had a game like this. We all knew it was going to happen eventually.

RedTeamGo!
05-30-2013, 09:36 PM
Haha 7 run inning... Awesome

RiverRat13
05-30-2013, 09:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUY1J8KizU

BCubb2003
05-30-2013, 09:37 PM
Pythagoras weeps.

R_Webb18
05-30-2013, 09:37 PM
I'm glad Cueto pitches Friday. Hopefully he can get us back on track.

Tadasimha
05-30-2013, 09:37 PM
Been in games like this before - other team just seems to have everything working right and no matter what you do, you just can't stop it.

Feels good when you're on the team having everything go right, that's for sure!

RedTeamGo!
05-30-2013, 09:38 PM
i know this is sarcasm but ill bite, i've been good just got done moving down to the Charlotte N.C. area so i've been away for awhile but since i hate Cleveland so much i had to get on and voice my frustration

Where around charlotte?

Educated guess: Concord

New York Red
05-30-2013, 09:38 PM
LOB don't matter.

50YrRedsFan
05-30-2013, 09:39 PM
progressive field is a house of horrors for the Reds, they just can't win there the last few seasons no matter how well they're playing going in. Reds could learn a thing or 2 or 3 from Cleveland on how to hit with 2 outs in an inning.

And this is what concerns me for any post season hopes. When was the last time we bunched together hits for a big inning like this without a HR? Too many holes in our line up that kill rallies. #2, #6, #7, #8, #9 positions in the batting order.

Tadasimha
05-30-2013, 09:40 PM
There ya go, Mes.

dubc47834
05-30-2013, 09:40 PM
i know this is sarcasm but ill bite, i've been good just got done moving down to the Charlotte N.C. area so i've been away for awhile but since i hate Cleveland so much i had to get on and voice my frustration

Wasn't sarcasm bud, hadn't seen ya in a bit.

RedTeamGo!
05-30-2013, 09:41 PM
And this is what concerns me for any post season hopes. When was the last time we bunched together hits for a big inning like this without a HR? Too many holes in our line up that kill rallies. #2, #6, #7, #8, #9 positions in the batting order.

You are counting the pitchers spot as a hole in the lineup? Goes without saying don't you think?

Maker_84
05-30-2013, 09:41 PM
Where around charlotte?

Educated guess: Concord

im in Huntersville, gonna have to update my location now on this site. It is refreshing to be able to see the Reds play every time now vs NE Ohio and never seeing them play. Why is it they broadcast Reds games in the Charlotte area?

New York Red
05-30-2013, 09:42 PM
And this is what concerns me for any post season hopes. When was the last time we bunched together hits for a big inning like this without a HR? Too many holes in our line up that kill rallies. #2, #6, #7, #8, #9 positions in the batting order.
LOB don't matter. That's what they keep telling me.

RedTeamGo!
05-30-2013, 09:42 PM
im in Huntersville

Nice area, I work near Northlake mall - live in Mallard Creek

Maker_84
05-30-2013, 09:43 PM
Wasn't sarcasm bud, hadn't seen ya in a bit.

o ok, i know alot of people hate me on here so it's hard to sort through lol

malcontent
05-30-2013, 09:43 PM
Hanigan can take a first-pitch strike like no one else.

RedTeamGo!
05-30-2013, 09:44 PM
im in Huntersville, gonna have to update my location now on this site. It is refreshing to be able to see the Reds play every time now vs NE Ohio and never seeing them play. Why is it they broadcast Reds games in the Charlotte area?

Don't know and I definitely don't complain. I guess we are close enough to Tennessee.

BluegrassRedleg
05-30-2013, 09:44 PM
Went upstairs to have dinner with the wife, come back 45 minutes later to 7-0. :confused::confused::confused:

50YrRedsFan
05-30-2013, 09:44 PM
You are counting the pitchers spot as a hole in the lineup? Goes without saying don't you think?

I was showing the spots in the line up where production is weak to very weak.
How do you keep rallies alive when 5 positions in the order are producing very little.

Maker_84
05-30-2013, 09:44 PM
Nice area, I work near Northlake mall - live in Mallard Creek

ya the Charlotte area is booming and i'm gonna get accustomed to it more the next couple days

NebraskaRed
05-30-2013, 09:45 PM
Went upstairs to have dinner with the wife, come back 45 minutes later to 7-0. :confused::confused::confused:

Go back upstairs.

malcontent
05-30-2013, 09:45 PM
Welch said Cabrera is 6-4.

Not quite.

holster10
05-30-2013, 09:46 PM
Statistically, Kazmir is one of the worst starters in MLB but you wouldn't know it tonight.....

RedTeamGo!
05-30-2013, 09:47 PM
I was showing the spots in the line up where production is weak to very weak.
How do you keep rallies alive when 5 positions in the order are producing very little.

The reds play in the NL where every teams #9 hitter is a hole in the lineup

Beltway
05-30-2013, 09:48 PM
Izturis hitting second...ugh. Why Dusty? Why?!!

malcontent
05-30-2013, 09:49 PM
Somebody needs to X-ray Izturis' bats.

Those can't be wood.

NebraskaRed
05-30-2013, 09:53 PM
They split the series last year (3-3) and it looks like they're going to split the series this year. What that means, I have no idea.

50YrRedsFan
05-30-2013, 09:56 PM
The reds play in the NL where every teams #9 hitter is a hole in the lineup

Cubs #9 hitter hit a grand slam today. I believe his name is Travis Wood.
The Cubs #6 hitter hit 3 home runs last night. I believe his name is Dioner Navarro.

I think we've heard their names before.

Red Raindog
05-30-2013, 09:58 PM
The reds play in the NL where every teams #9 hitter is a hole in the lineup

Mike Leake excepted?

Maker_84
05-30-2013, 09:59 PM
Don't know and I definitely don't complain. I guess we are close enough to Tennessee.

agreed, i thought this would be braves country but i guess the Reds are somewhat regional too

RedTeamGo!
05-30-2013, 10:00 PM
Cubs #9 hitter hit a grand slam today. I believe his name is Travis Wood.
The Cubs #6 hitter hit 3 home runs last night. I believe his name is Dioner Navarro.

I think we've heard their names before.

So your plan is to start dioner Navarro because he hit three home runs in one game and have Travis wood start 162 games and pitch 9 innings in each game because he hit a grand slam yesterday?

50YrRedsFan
05-30-2013, 10:06 PM
I was pointing out the weak spots in our line up. It's an assumption that NL teams have a weak pitchers spot. It is still a spot in the line up where we are getting little production.
Like I said before, How do you keep rallies alive when 5 positions in the order are producing very little?

Kc61
05-30-2013, 10:07 PM
Izturis hitting second...ugh. Why Dusty? Why?!!

Please explain why this game is Izturis' fault.

OGB
05-30-2013, 10:07 PM
sometimes it doesn't matter what you throw up there....the other team just is in a zone.

Chalk it up as an l and move on. Maybe they come back, but i doubt it. And don't give me the "don't be negative" stuff. I have no impact on this game.

nothing's over til we say it is! Was it over when the germans bombed pearl harbor?!



edited to add: I tried typing that sentence in all caps 3 times and Redszone apparently doesn't want to let it happen

Billy_Bearcat
05-30-2013, 10:07 PM
It appears the Cards will win 110 games this year.

Beltway
05-30-2013, 10:12 PM
Please explain why this game is Izturis' fault.
Please show where I blamed this game on Izturis.

OGB
05-30-2013, 10:16 PM
Please show where I blamed this game on Izturis.

Then what was the point of your remark? To stir up some interesting conversation about the fact Dusty puts bad hitters in the 2 hole? Isn't that rather old hat at this point? Do you expect someone to disagree with you?

Kc61
05-30-2013, 10:17 PM
Please show where I blamed this game on Izturis.

Post #137 of this thread reflected unhappiness with Izturis hitting second.

In the context of a 7-0 ballgame against the Reds, I think it's a logical inference that somehow the post was intended to lay blame on Izturis -- at least partial blame.

If I'm incorrect, I'm sure you'll say so.

But it seems Izturis got a hit to load the bases earlier and the Reds' superstar hit into a DP. So I wonder what exactly Izturis did wrong here.

NebraskaRed
05-30-2013, 10:19 PM
But it seems Izturis got a hit to load the bases earlier and the Reds' superstar hit into a DP. So I wonder what exactly Izturis did wrong here.

Clearly if Izturis wouldn't have had that single, he wouldn't have been on first, and Votto could not have hit into that double play.

Izturis is to blame. ;)

VR
05-30-2013, 10:19 PM
Then what was the point of your remark? To stir up some interesting conversation about the fact Dusty puts bad hitters in the 2 hole? Isn't that rather old hat at this point? Do you expect someone to disagree with you?

Izturis was 4-6 against Kazmir....I think there may be bigger conspiracies going on than the number 2 hitter.

klw
05-30-2013, 10:20 PM
7-1 now. Good sign as Bruce has two hits on the night.



Have they said why Cozart is out tonight? Is he sick again, dinged up, was he caught hanging out with Arredondo, or is he just getting the day off?


No I am not blaming the seven two out runs on Izturis.

Kc61
05-30-2013, 10:21 PM
Clearly if Izturis wouldn't have had that single, he wouldn't have been on first, and Votto could not have hit into that double play.

Izturis is to blame. ;)

Logical enough. Ok.

Red Raindog
05-30-2013, 10:22 PM
It appears the Cards will win 110 games this year.

will they lose again?

Kc61
05-30-2013, 10:23 PM
BTW, did anyone ever explain why Cozart isn't playing tonight?

holster10
05-30-2013, 10:25 PM
Ryan Hannigan is back in his funk again......

50YrRedsFan
05-30-2013, 10:26 PM
Robinson with 2 hits tonight....Why won't Dusty play him more?

Beltway
05-30-2013, 10:26 PM
Post #137 of this thread reflected unhappiness with Izturis hitting second.

In the context of a 7-0 ballgame against the Reds, I think it's a logical inference that somehow the post was intended to lay blame on Izturis -- at least partial blame.

If I'm incorrect, I'm sure you'll say so.

But it seems Izturis got a hit to load the bases earlier and the Reds' superstar hit into a DP. So I wonder what exactly Izturis did wrong here.
Games like this happen, but this team had a chance to get back into it, to at least cut into the lead. At this point, everyone knows what Izturis is. Well, everyone but Dusty. The lineup mess is Dusty's fault. And no, the score isn't Dusty's fault, but he does shoulder some blame for limiting the Reds ability to sustain a rally to get back into this game.

Kc61
05-30-2013, 10:27 PM
Ryan Hannigan is back in his funk again......

Hanigan's running speed has declined.

klw
05-30-2013, 10:28 PM
BTW, did anyone ever explain why Cozart isn't playing tonight?

That question is so three posts ago. :D

The answer however ....

50YrRedsFan
05-30-2013, 10:33 PM
will they lose again?

Cardinals with 2 runs in the 1st against KC...2-0 with Cards still batting, bot 1.

Cards with three 2 out hits in 1st inning to score the 2 runs.

Kc61
05-30-2013, 10:34 PM
Games like this happen, but this team had a chance to get back into it, to at least cut into the lead. At this point, everyone know's what Izturis is. Well, everyone but Dusty. The lineup mess is Dusty's fault. And no, the score isn't Dusty's fault, but he does shoulder some blame for limiting the Reds ability to sustain a rally to get back into this game.

But I don't get why Izturis is being singled out.

I haven't watched the whole game but a number of Reds have failed to sustain rallies. I've seen Votto and Hanigan hit into double plays. Frazier struck out twice, at least once with a man on, and is now hitting .231. Bailey got hit hard.

I don't know why Izturis is playing tonight, and I know people don't like it when he hits second. But I wouldn't single out the weak hitting backup in this particular game.

50YrRedsFan
05-30-2013, 10:34 PM
Pirates-Tigers 0-0, top 8

Kc61
05-30-2013, 10:35 PM
That question is so three posts ago. :D

The answer however ....

I just really don't know the answer and was asking if any statement has been made as to why. That's all. Maybe it's earlier in the thread, I haven't been in the thread very long.

Mutaman
05-30-2013, 10:38 PM
But I don't get whey Izturis is being singled out. .

Because historically here, some folks like to blame everything on the last guy on the end of the bench. Not very imaginative if you ask me, but hey, its a free country.

Kc61
05-30-2013, 10:40 PM
Because historically here, some folks like to blame everything on the last guy on the end of the bench. Not very imaginative if you ask me, but hey, its a free country.

Must you be so direct, clear and succinct? Whatever, hopefully the Reds will come back and play well in Pittsburgh because they are starting to fall behind in this race.

50YrRedsFan
05-30-2013, 10:43 PM
Cards Michael Wacha making his MLB debut tonight. 0 hits through 2 innings.
Maybe a long night for KC. Cards with 6 hits in 2 innings against Guthrie.

50YrRedsFan
05-30-2013, 10:46 PM
The Reds are on the road again, and the offense forgot to get on the bus.
3 runs in 2 road games.

Mutaman
05-30-2013, 10:47 PM
Whatever, hopefully the Reds will come back and play well in Pittsburgh because they are starting to fall behind in this race.

Its still May. Long long way to go. We just need to stay healthy.

Mutaman
05-30-2013, 10:48 PM
The Reds are on the road again, and the offense forgot to get on the bus.
3 runs in 2 road games.

Also, we've been facing some mediocre pitching. Not so the last two nights.

Mutaman
05-30-2013, 10:53 PM
Yankees about to drop all four of the Subway Series. The Boss must be turning over in his grave.

NebraskaRed
05-30-2013, 10:54 PM
I'll say it right here, Manny Parra looked sharp that inning.

Am I the only one still watching this?

Kc61
05-30-2013, 10:55 PM
Also, we've been facing some mediocre pitching. Not so the last two nights.

The Pirates have pitched well. The Reds now go in there. They could find themselves with a meaningful deficit soon.

You can't play Miami, Chicago Cubs, Milwaukee, and the Mets at their worst all the time.

malcontent
05-30-2013, 10:56 PM
I'll say it right here, Manny Parra looked sharp that inning.

Am I the only one still watching this?
He did.

BluegrassRedleg
05-30-2013, 11:04 PM
Seems almost impossible for the Reds to have lost 9 straight in Cleveland. How does that happen?

Tony Cloninger
05-30-2013, 11:06 PM
Also, we've been facing some mediocre pitching. Not so the last two nights.

Kazmir is a mediocre pitcher. He had a good game. Like Jimmy Haynes or Eric Milton could or would....but he is not a good pitcher.

Mutaman
05-30-2013, 11:34 PM
Kazmir is a mediocre pitcher. He had a good game. Like Jimmy Haynes or Eric Milton could or would....but he is not a good pitcher.

I didn't say we faced a good pitcher. i said we faced "good pitching".

Tony Cloninger
05-30-2013, 11:41 PM
I didn't say we faced a good pitcher. i said we faced "good pitching".

Touche'

CrackerJack
05-31-2013, 12:06 AM
I didn't say we faced a good pitcher. i said we faced "good pitching".

Hope we're not saying this in the post season again. Can't just turtle-up and get shut down so easily against every good pitcher/team, for what that's worth right now.

WVRedsFan
05-31-2013, 01:43 AM
My $0.02 worth.

If Choo hits (and lately it's been a struggle) the second hitter must move him over which is something Cozart or Isturis have a hard time doing. Then Votto gets nothing to hit and we end up with no runs. Then it's Phillips, Bruce, and Frazier. Then what? It's the $64,000 question (dating myself here). Couple that with Homer's meltdown, throwing the ball in the sweet spot with two out and this is what you get. Maybe it was the drums,

Now we find ourselves in third place and three games out and playing a Pirate team that everyone says will fade, but no sign of that so far, plus facing two leftys that drive this team nuts. We could be 6 games out by Sunday and yet there is hope. At least I hope there is. I will say this. The only pitchers I trust these days are Cueto and Latos starting and Sam and Chapman from the pen. While the Pirates defeat the best, we struggle against he mediocre and the horrible. And the Bucs and the Cardinals just win. it's going to be a tough ride.

BluegrassRedleg
05-31-2013, 04:08 AM
It appears the Cards will win 110 games this year.

They roll out some new guy out of the minors every week, and he dominates.

foxfire123
05-31-2013, 08:43 AM
Thank You Boggs. At least the Richard Craniums in St Louis lost too thanks to him.

RedTeamGo!
05-31-2013, 09:40 AM
My $0.02 worth.

If Choo hits (and lately it's been a struggle) the second hitter must move him over which is something Cozart or Isturis have a hard time doing. Then Votto gets nothing to hit and we end up with no runs. Then it's Phillips, Bruce, and Frazier. Then what? It's the $64,000 question (dating myself here). Couple that with Homer's meltdown, throwing the ball in the sweet spot with two out and this is what you get. Maybe it was the drums,

Now we find ourselves in third place and three games out and playing a Pirate team that everyone says will fade, but no sign of that so far, plus facing two leftys that drive this team nuts. We could be 6 games out by Sunday and yet there is hope. At least I hope there is. I will say this. The only pitchers I trust these days are Cueto and Latos starting and Sam and Chapman from the pen. While the Pirates defeat the best, we struggle against he mediocre and the horrible. And the Bucs and the Cardinals just win. it's going to be a tough ride.

I consider 18-8 in the month of May "just winning" but hey, maybe that's just me...

If I remember correctly we were in third place after the all star break last year to the Cardinals and Pirates. I believe the Pirates were even in first place. How exactly did that work out again? My memory is foggy sometimes. If you honestly think John Locke, Jeanmar Gomez and Francisco Liriano are going to have sub 2.50 ERAs the rest of the season all I can say is the following to you "it's puff - puff - pass, man."

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2013, 09:41 AM
Hat question. I bought one of the new Reds BP hats. (I'm not proud of myself, but in mitigation I had a gift card.) I like the mesh style, but the bill is like plywood. With the New Era wool fitted hats, I would just wear the thing in the shower and it would sort of mold properly and then dry in place. What is the best way to get the bill properly curved with these hats?

Since I like the old school curve (as EVERYONE should) I still do it in the old style way. Good ole' rubber bands.

dsmith421
05-31-2013, 10:27 AM
Since I like the old school curve (as EVERYONE should) I still do it in the old style way. Good ole' rubber bands.

What do you band it around to make sure that the curve is even? Or do you just wrap the whole thing.

The flat bills are terrible, which is why I've been buying those New Era franchise hats for about a decade.

_Sir_Charles_
05-31-2013, 10:51 AM
What do you band it around to make sure that the curve is even? Or do you just wrap the whole thing.

The flat bills are terrible, which is why I've been buying those New Era franchise hats for about a decade.

I wrap the whole thing and do what was also suggested earlier, putting it in a cup.

That's only if I have to, because I always try to buy hats that have the curve I like already. Every once in a while I get a hat as a gift and that's when the problem happens. Those flat bills just look stupid.

dubc47834
05-31-2013, 11:29 AM
My $0.02 worth.

If Choo hits (and lately it's been a struggle) the second hitter must move him over which is something Cozart or Isturis have a hard time doing. Then Votto gets nothing to hit and we end up with no runs. Then it's Phillips, Bruce, and Frazier. Then what? It's the $64,000 question (dating myself here). Couple that with Homer's meltdown, throwing the ball in the sweet spot with two out and this is what you get. Maybe it was the drums,

Now we find ourselves in third place and three games out and playing a Pirate team that everyone says will fade, but no sign of that so far, plus facing two leftys that drive this team nuts. We could be 6 games out by Sunday and yet there is hope. At least I hope there is. I will say this. The only pitchers I trust these days are Cueto and Latos starting and Sam and Chapman from the pen. While the Pirates defeat the best, we struggle against he mediocre and the horrible. And the Bucs and the Cardinals just win. it's going to be a tough ride.

Not sure if I'm understanding your post correctly, but isn't the mediocre and horrible who we have feasted upon this whole month?

dsmith421
05-31-2013, 11:33 AM
Not sure if I'm understanding your post correctly, but isn't the mediocre and horrible who we have feasted upon this whole month?

It is really not worth interfacing with the willfully miserable. Last I checked the Reds were 12 over .500.

dubc47834
05-31-2013, 12:15 PM
It is really not worth interfacing with the willfully miserable. Last I checked the Reds were 12 over .500.

Just didn't know if he was meaning something else and it just came out wrong. I mean haven't we beat up on the Cubs, Brewers, and Phils enough this month. Im sure there are others.

kaldaniels
05-31-2013, 12:26 PM
My $0.02 worth.

If Choo hits (and lately it's been a struggle) the second hitter must move him over which is something Cozart or Isturis have a hard time doing. Then Votto gets nothing to hit and we end up with no runs. Then it's Phillips, Bruce, and Frazier. Then what? It's the $64,000 question (dating myself here). Couple that with Homer's meltdown, throwing the ball in the sweet spot with two out and this is what you get. Maybe it was the drums,

Now we find ourselves in third place and three games out and playing a Pirate team that everyone says will fade, but no sign of that so far, plus facing two leftys that drive this team nuts. We could be 6 games out by Sunday and yet there is hope. At least I hope there is. I will say this. The only pitchers I trust these days are Cueto and Latos starting and Sam and Chapman from the pen. While the Pirates defeat the best, we struggle against he mediocre and the horrible. And the Bucs and the Cardinals just win. it's going to be a tough ride.

I know you are venting and I know where you are coming from so I'm not trying to take a shot at you.

But that is 100 percent the most glass-half-empty view I have ever seen written on this board. Well done. :beerme:

Raisor
05-31-2013, 01:45 PM
ya the Charlotte area is booming and i'm gonna get accustomed to it more the next couple days

I live here in the area. There are quite a few reds zone posters here, need to start a booster group at Buffalo Wild Wings or something. You're not allowed to speak however

RedTeamGo!
05-31-2013, 04:03 PM
I live here in the area. There are quite a few reds zone posters here, need to start a booster group at Buffalo Wild Wings or something. You're not allowed to speak however

Which part of Charlotte do you live in? I live over by The Tradition Golf Course in North Charlotte

Raisor
06-04-2013, 09:12 PM
Which part of Charlotte do you live in? I live over by The Tradition Golf Course in North Charlotte

I'm in ft mill near the amusement park