6/03/2013 Rockies at Reds

[cumberlandreds]

Here's tonights lineup for the Reds. As expected no Phillips.

Reds

1. Shin-Soo Choo (L) CF
2. Zack Cozart (R) SS
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Jay Bruce (L) RF
5. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
6. Xavier Paul (L) LF
7. Ryan Hanigan (R) C
8. Cesar Izturis (S) 2B
9. Bronson Arroyo (R) P

[holster10]

#6 thru #9 is a light hitting bunch in that lineup. At least Izturis is at the bottom of the order today. I hope after this year Jocketty finds someone else to fill middle infielder back-up role who isn't on their last leg and can hit a bit more. I remember Reds camp getting excited about Izturis's bat in spring training but that has yet to parlay into any type of regular season performance.

[NebraskaRed]

Let's hope Arroyo is nice and rested for the game.

http://instagram.com/p/aEvkGsHp94/

[texasdave]

http://mlblogsramsey.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/0012.jpg?w=555&h=357

No wonder this team struggled to score runs over the weekend. Look at the batting practice schedule. They are spending a -10 minutes honing their hitting skills. That can't possibly pay dividends.

[Gizmo]

wonder how good they'll hit with -10 minutes of BP.

[texasdave]

#6 thru #9 is a light hitting bunch in that lineup. At least Izturis is at the bottom of the order today. I hope after this year Jocketty finds someone else to fill middle infielder back-up role who isn't on their last leg and can hit a bit more. I remember Reds camp getting excited about Izturis's bat in spring training but that has yet to parlay into any type of regular season performance.

I think they were counting on Jason Donald. Izturis had a hot spring (spring statistics don't count or so they say) and Donald got injured. These things happen.

[holster10]

I think they were counting on Jason Donald. Izturis had a hot spring (spring statistics don't count or so they say) and Donald got injured. These things happen.

I got the feeling the Reds weren't comfortable with Donald's defense at SS.

[NebraskaRed]

http://mlblogsramsey.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/0012.jpg?w=555&h=357

No wonder this team struggled to score runs over the weekend. Look at the batting practice schedule. They are spending a -10 minutes honing their hitting skills. That can't possibly pay dividends.

Or maybe they're swinging the bats so hard and fast that they reverse time. Like Superman did at the end of one of the movies.

[redsfaninbsg]

Anybody have an update on Phillips and Sean Marshall? The idea of facing the Cardinals without those two isn't real appealing.

[RedTeamGo!]

Ugh this lineup is poopy. DatDudeObiWonYoureMyOnlyHope needs to get back quickly.

[Reds Fanatic]

Anybody have an update on Phillips and Sean Marshall? The idea of facing the Cardinals without those two isn't real appealing.

The guess on Phillips from Dusty yesterday was 3 or 4 days. So don't be surprised if he misses this entire Rockies series. Hopefully he will be back by the weekend.

Marshall is eligible to come off the DL June 5th (Wednesday) but have not heard if we will actually be ready.

[Kc61]

I hope the Pirates lose some games now. Their bullpen got used much against the Reds.

With all the talk about the Reds' head hunters, the Pirates repeatedly hit Reds batters and now Phillips is out because of it.

And the retaliation by Latos was to hit a guy (Walker?) in the butt and do absolutely no damage.

Pirates answer, of course, is that hitting Choo doesn't count, he doesn't get out of the way. Maybe, but at least one HBP of Choo was legit.

In any event, there was no reason to pick on Phillips, twice, and now he's out.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Let's hope Arroyo is nice and rested for the game.

http://instagram.com/p/aEvkGsHp94/

What...no recliner? :O)

[_Sir_Charles_]

No wonder this team struggled to score runs over the weekend. Look at the batting practice schedule. They are spending a -10 minutes honing their hitting skills. That can't possibly pay dividends.

Silly Dave...clearly they came in at 5:45 AM. Dusty runs a tight ship. :O)

[_Sir_Charles_]

I got the feeling the Reds weren't comfortable with Donald's defense at SS.

I know I certainly wasn't. I think Hannahan is a better SS than Donald.

[ProfessorTofty]

Silly Dave...clearly they came in at 5:45 AM. Dusty runs a tight ship. :O)
Exactly! They're spending 11 hours and 50 minutes on batting practice, not -10 minutes.

[_Sir_Charles_]

They just said on WLW that Marshall looks to be out for at least another month. Yikes.

Where they got THAT info...no clue.

[redsfaninbsg]

They just said on WLW that Marshall looks to be out for at least another month. Yikes.

Where they got THAT info...no clue.

T-R-O-U-B-L-E. It's time to get Cingrani up here for the bullpen because Dusty isn't changing how Chapman is used. Looks like Cingrani started for the Bats over the weekend. Wait til Friday and get him here for the Cardinals series, continuing another month with the only lefty reliever (minus Chapman) being Parra is not acceptable. Parra really can only pitch to left handers and prohibits the Reds from using him for an entire inning.

[_Sir_Charles_]

T-R-O-U-B-L-E. It's time to get Cingrani up here for the bullpen because Dusty isn't changing how Chapman is used.

I heard them mention Curtis Partch (sp?). No clue how informed they are...I don't get to listen to the pre-game stuff very often.

[NebraskaRed]

Yeah, I heard that stuff about Marshall/Partch too. I guess we'll find out how reliable that info is.

I'm pretty excited, I just realized I can listen to the pre-game stuff on WLW. Out here in Nebraska, you can imagine it's a little hard getting their signal. Now, I'm streaming it thru the I Heart Radio app on my Roku.

[Reds Fanatic]

Fowler flies out to center.

[Reds Fanatic]

Arenado grounds out to short

[Reds Fanatic]

Bunt single by Gonzalez.

[ProfessorTofty]

Bunt hit gets the first base-runner on for the Rockies.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I hate the shift. Always have.

[texasdave]

Players should do that much, much more often.

[kaldaniels]

Thomism

"Now no ones complaing CarGon to Barry Bonds or KGJ..."

[ProfessorTofty]

Tulowitzki grounds for a force-out at second, and that's the end of the first half of inning one.

[Reds Fanatic]

Tulowitzki grounds out. 0-0 mid 1st.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bronson missed his spot on that one by about 2 feet (or more). Lucky.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Players should do that much, much more often.

I agree. Unfortunately, Bruce is a horrific bunter.

[ProfessorTofty]

Choo flies to center, one out.


Umpire hit by a bouncer in the dirt, just now, they're out to examine him. Or was it the catcher? Yeah, it was the ump. He's gonna stay in the game, though.

[NebraskaRed]

Ump is shaking his head. Doesn't look too good.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cozart strikes out swinging

[Reds Fanatic]

Check swing ground out to short. 0-0 after 1.

[dsmith421]

Feels like 2/3 of the series this year the Reds have run into a starter with a sub-3.00 ERA that I have never heard of in my life.

[Stray]

Scary moment for that ump, apparently he's had some head trauma injuries before.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cuddyer grounded out to Arroyo

[Reds Fanatic]

Helton lines a single right past Votto.

[ProfessorTofty]

Helton gets a single.

[Blitz Dorsey]

The Little League mom who is doing the official scoring tonight really ruled that a hit?

Also: What the hell is going on with Votto defensively?

NM: After rewinding it, it was a harder play than I originally thought.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rosario strikes out swinging

[Blitz Dorsey]

Rosario, who started this season off like gangbusters but has stunk ever since, strikes out.

[ProfessorTofty]

Rosario is struck out swinging.

[dsmith421]

Lyle Overbay is playing right for the Yankees tonight. I think they'd be better off giving him a lawn chair and letting Ichiro and Gardner split the outfield between them.

[Reds Fanatic]

LeMahieu flies out to center. 0-0 mid 2nd.

[CySeymour]

It's my birthday, so I hope the Reds and Pacers can both give me a win for a present.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce lines a single to right

[ProfessorTofty]

Jay Bruce gets the inning started with a hard-hit single.

[Reds Fanatic]

Frazier grounds into a 6-4-3 DP on the first pitch

[Tom Servo]

The name DJ LeMahieu still cracks me up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah4VQXe8YqU
"IT'S YA BOI DJ LEMAHIEU TEARIN IT UP"

[ProfessorTofty]

And Paul grounds out, and that's the end of the second.

[NebraskaRed]

Did I hear them say Molina got a one game suspension?

[Reds Fanatic]

Home plate is having to come out of the game.

[Reds Fanatic]

Did I hear them say Molina got a one game suspension?

Yes he did. I have not heard if he is appealing it or not.

[Kcbuckeye22]

Did I hear them say Molina got a one game suspension?

Heard it too.

I was thinking he should of got 3 or 4 at least. He better of got a 10 Million dollar fine.

[ProfessorTofty]

Extended delay here as they work out the umpiring situation.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I hope they give the starters some extra time to RE-warmup. Both of them.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wow...that's a HORRIBLE picture of Dusty. Yikes. (side-by-side with Weiss)

[ProfessorTofty]

Roller up the center, one out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Chatwood grounds out to 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Fowler flies out to the track in left. Nice catch by Paul.

[Kcbuckeye22]

Fowler flies out to the track in left. Nice catch by Paul.

He caught it. He didn't look very graceful, bad jump or something.

[Reds Fanatic]

Arenado flies out to center. 0-0 mid 3rd.

[ProfessorTofty]

Fly to center to end the inning, it's 1-2-3.

[NebraskaRed]

Wow...that's a HORRIBLE picture of Dusty. Yikes. (side-by-side with Weiss)

I was too distracted by his rambling, incoherent comments about Weiss.

[ProfessorTofty]

Hannigan takes a four-pitch walk.

[Reds Fanatic]

4 pitch walk to Hanigan

[Reds Fanatic]

Izturis grounds into a 4-3 DP.

[ProfessorTofty]

Now Izturis with the 4-3 double play, and we're at two out, nobody on.

[Kcbuckeye22]

I'm a fan of a bunt here.


Didn't get it out fast enough.

[Reds Fanatic]

Does Izturis ever not swing at the first pitch

[Red in Chicago]

C.I. is brutal

[Tom Servo]

Izturis grounds into a 4-3 DP.
Alright, I'm officially in favor of bringing in A-Gon over Izturis.

[dsmith421]

Now that I've seen Izturis I feel guilty for complaining about Wilson Valdez.

[NebraskaRed]

Now that I've seen Izturis I feel guilty for complaining about Wilson Valdez.

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[Red Raindog]

Izturis grounds into a 4-3 DP.

Izturis does not waste time getting back to the bench

[Reds Fanatic]

Arroyo singles to left

[ProfessorTofty]

Arroyo gets a base hit to continue the inning for Choo.

[Maker_84]

can the reds just drop Izturis off their roster? he gives the team nothing, bring back Wilson Valdez

[NebraskaRed]

can the reds just drop Izturis off their roster? he gives the team nothing, bring back Wilson Valdez

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/mlb/players/full/6089.png&w=350&h=254

[Red Raindog]

can the reds just drop Izturis off their roster? he gives the team nothing, bring back Wilson Valdez

He has not hurt them defensively -- just trying to be a + poster here!

[kaldaniels]

Win probability guys...do you want Arroyo to get on there or is it just best if Choo leads off the 4th?

[Reds Fanatic]

Choo strikes out swinging. 0-0 after 3.

[Maker_84]

choo continues to struggle hitting

[ProfessorTofty]

Well, either way, Choo gets nothing and we move on to the fourth.

[NebraskaRed]

can the reds just drop Izturis off their roster? he gives the team nothing, bring back Wilson Valdez

He's like Beetlejuice. If you say his name 3 times, he'll appear.

[RedsfaninMT]

Pretty amazing the Reds have his pitch count at 46 despite 2 first pitch DPs.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Choo isn't being anywhere near as selective at the plate as he was the first month and a half. Would like to see him get back to walking a bit more, then the average will come back up.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Win probability guys...do you want Arroyo to get on there or it's it just best if Choo leads off the 4th?

The way Choo's been swinging lately...it's a moot point. ;)

[Gizmo]

Win probability guys...do you want Arroyo to get on there or it's it just best if Choo leads off the 4th?

It's all gravy once we turn the lineup over at Izturis.

[Kcbuckeye22]

Was I wrong to think CI bunting Hanny over to 2nd would be a bad idea? I'm a fan of the sac bunt if you can get that RISP.

[Red Raindog]

Win probability guys...do you want Arroyo to get on there or it's it just best if Choo leads off the 4th?

Does it matter? Choo is in a funk right now -- should someone tell him how much money he is costing himself right now?

Of course even in a funk he's getting on base far more than that guy that used to patrol CF....

[nate]

Chat is open!

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez lines a single to center.

[Reds Fanatic]

Tulowitzki lines out to 3rd

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice pitch. Cuddyer strikes out looking. 2 Ks.

[Kc61]

Does it matter? Choo is in a funk right now -- should someone tell him how much money he is costing himself right now?

Of course even in a funk he's getting on base far more than that guy that used to patrol CF....


Choo isn't hitting that line drive down the opposite field, third base line. In April the guy either walked, HBP, or hit one of those.

Those opposite field shots down the line have completely stopped.

Could be they are pitching him more inside, not concerned about the HBP, daring him to pull the ball.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Choo isn't hitting that line drive down the opposite field, third base line. In April the guy either walked, HBP, or hit one of those.

Those opposite field shots down the line have completely stopped.

Could be they are pitching him more inside, not concerned about the HBP, daring him to pull the ball.

Or...he could be in a slump. ;)

[BCubb2003]

Could it be possible that Chris Welsh is the most sabremetric announcer in baseball? Any other contenders?

[Reds Fanatic]

Helton grounds out to 3rd. 0-0 mid 4th.

[ProfessorTofty]

Helton taps one to third and that's the final out of the inning.

[Tom Servo]

Could it be possible that Chris Welsh is the most sabremetric announcer in baseball? Any other contenders?
It's too bad he clearly has to reign himself in for the general audience/Thom.

[Red in Chicago]

Could it be possible that Chris Welsh is the most sabremetric announcer in baseball? Any other contenders?

len kasper of the cubs does his fair share

[BCubb2003]

It's too bad he clearly has to reign himself in for the general audience/Thom.

Yep. Thom is not one of the contenders.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Could it be possible that Chris Welsh is the most sabremetric announcer in baseball? Any other contenders?


Hawk Harrelson? No?

[Reds Fanatic]

Cozart strikes out looking

[50YrRedsFan]

Pirates with a 1-0 lead on ATL, 4th inning.

[Kcbuckeye22]

Cozart strikes out looking

Sadly that reminded me of a Drew Stubbs at bat.

[RiverRat13]

I like Thom more than most on here, but that last rant of his pretty indefensible. Talk about a lack of understanding of basic logic :(

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto strikes out looking

[malcontent]

Cozart strikes out looking
He's been doing the Stubbs routine recently.

Taking a called third on an 0-2 count.

:bang:

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce singles to left. His 2nd hit tonight

[Kcbuckeye22]

He's been doing the Stubbs routine recently.

Taking a called third on an 0-2 count.

:bang:

Votto taking a page outta the Drew Stubbs how to strike out book as well.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce steals 2nd.

[ProfessorTofty]

And Bruce has a stolen base there, is now in scoring position. First stolen base of the year.

[_Sir_Charles_]

LOL. That was great. Checked swing, catcher points to first for the appeal...then confused...hey, there's no ump there. Then they look around for the ump to appeal to. :O)

[ProfessorTofty]

Frazier up the center, Bruce scores with a wild throw, runner at third!

[Tom Servo]

DatDudeNJ delivers!

[Reds Fanatic]

Frazier singles to left. He goes to 3rd on a bad throw to home. 1-0 Reds!

[Stray]

Vintage Frazier there.

[_Sir_Charles_]

1-0 Reds after the just flat out goofy swing by Frazier. Then the juggling act sends Todd to third.

[Kcbuckeye22]

Well well...maybe we should steal more often.

[Reds Fanatic]

Paul grounds out. 1-0 Reds after 4

[ProfessorTofty]

Ground ball to short to end the inning, but not before taking a 1-0 lead.

[50YrRedsFan]

Well well...maybe we should steal more often.

no speed

[Tony Cloninger]

Frazier up the center, Bruce scores with a wild throw, runner at third!

Up the center? Bob Johnson is playing?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Jay having himself a game so far. Nice to see.

[_Sir_Charles_]

no speed

Disagree. Burners, no. Enough speed to steal some bases, yes.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rosario pops out to 2nd

[Tony Cloninger]

Well well...maybe we should steal more often.

Agree. How about hit and run more at least. Especially with Votto up.

[Reds Fanatic]

LeMahieu strikes out looking. 3 Ks.

[Reds Fanatic]

Chatwood bunts to Hanigan. 1-0 Reds mid 5th. Arroyo through 5 on only 57 pitches

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bronson looking sharp. That was quick.

[BCubb2003]

Wonder if Frazier plays tennis at all.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wonder if Frazier plays tennis at all.

I think he's a golfer. :O)

[Reds Fanatic]

Rob Scahill out of nowhere is in to pitch. Chatwood must be hurt

[NebraskaRed]

Wait, why is Chatwood out?

[_Sir_Charles_]

No clue. Certainly didn't look hurt to me.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hanigan singles to left

[RiverRat13]

I might bunt Izturis here...

[New York Red]

I switched over to basketball for a few minutes. What happened to Chatwood?

[ProfessorTofty]

New York Red -- we have no idea yet. He didn't look hurt.

[dsmith421]

Colorado isn't still doing that dumb tandem starter crap, are they? That one was straight out of the Dan O'Brien playbook, which was located in Binder No. 12 of 108.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I switched over to basketball for a few minutes. What happened to Chatwood?

He did too. Back up small forward for the Pacers.

[Reds Fanatic]

I am amazed Izturis is up to a 6 pitch AB

[_Sir_Charles_]

I am amazed Izturis is up to a 6 pitch AB

Career high? :O)

[ProfessorTofty]

And Izturis strikes out. One out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Izturis strikes out swinging

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice bunt by Arroyo. 2 outs runner on 2nd.

[ProfessorTofty]

Arroyo bunts the runner to second.

[50YrRedsFan]

Why does Izturis take a bat to the plate?

[ProfessorTofty]

Choo takes ball four, it's first and second.

[Reds Fanatic]

Choo walks. 1st and 2nd.

[RedsBaron]

I wish Choo had hit that 3-0 pitch

[ProfessorTofty]

And Cozart strikes out to end the inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cozart strikes out for the 3rd time in 5 innings. 1-0 Reds after 5.

[_Sir_Charles_]

3 k's for Cozy. :(

[50YrRedsFan]

Is Joe Morgan around? Maybe he would play 2nd while BP is out. Would probably be better than Izturis.

[NebraskaRed]

Atlanta knocking the Pirates around, 4-1

[Reds Fanatic]

Fowler flies out

[NebraskaRed]

I'm a big fan of these one pitch outs...when the other team makes them

[Reds Fanatic]

Arenado soft liner to 2nd.

[50YrRedsFan]

Atlanta knocking the Pirates around, 4-1

Now 6-1 Braves

[NebraskaRed]

Atlanta knocking the Pirates around, 4-1

Correction, 6-1

[redsfaninbsg]

Reds have scored one run in 15 innings, ouch. This team needs Phillips back soon.

[ProfessorTofty]

Rockies go down 1-2-3.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez grounds out to 1st. 1-0 Reds mid 6th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Arroyo through 6 on only 65 pitches

[50YrRedsFan]

Correction, 6-1

AJ Burnett has given up 3 HR to the Braves.

[BCubb2003]

Reds have scored one run in 15 innings, ouch. This team needs Phillips back soon.

DatDudeDay2Day

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto grounds out to 1st.

[OGB]

I'm calling a Bruce HR

[redsfaninbsg]

Votto grounds out to 1st.

He's in a mini slump, if that's possible when you hit over .330.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce grounds out to 2nd.

[OGB]

I'm calling a Bruce HR
Nostradamus I aint

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds have scored one run in 15 innings, ouch. This team needs Phillips back soon.

Not going to score much with BP out, while Votto and Choo slump. Outside of Bruce, there's not much left in this line up.

[Reds Fanatic]

Frazier strikes out looking. 1-0 Reds after 6.

[OGB]

What a pitiful inning

This offense needs a jump start

[NebraskaRed]

They can't make the same mistake as yesterday and let the offense go to sleep.

[Kc61]

Rockies with Cy Young starting tonight, relieved by Walter Johnson.

[50YrRedsFan]

They can't make the same mistake as yesterday and let the offense go to sleep.

It doesn't appear they even woke up.

[Kc61]

They can't make the same mistake as yesterday and let the offense go to sleep.

You're assuming the offense ever woke up.

40 Year Reds fan beat me by an eyelash.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Rather have this offensive funk go on a couple more days vs. COL than linger into the weekend. ;)

[BluegrassRedleg]

Classic Creeper hex statement there. At least he hedged it, but it's still a Creeper hex. So long, lead.

[BCubb2003]

I'd have Chapman warming. Just kidding.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Gameday says Chatwood left with an injured arm.

[Reds Fanatic]

Tulowitzki grounds out to Arroyo

[Mutaman]

We really need another lefthander in the bull pen.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gameday says Chatwood left with an injured arm.

yes right triceps soreness

[Reds Fanatic]

Cuddyer singles to center

[redsfaninbsg]

We really need another lefthander in the bull pen.

Tony Cingrani says hi.

[Kcbuckeye22]

Arroyo running outta gas?? It seems like when he's done he's done. Hoping he getting another inning.

[_Sir_Charles_]

That should be a double play. He hit the ball after the first hop, then it was a line out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Helton golfs a grounder to 3rd. Confusion as the Reds think that was line drive DP.

[Maker_84]

Watching the yankees on espn and im very envious of that offense

[50YrRedsFan]

We really need another lefthander in the bull pen.

I don't understand why the front office sticks with the guys that aren't producing, or make moves to help the team. Someone has to be better than Izturis, and Cingrani is sitting in AAA, when we need him here.

[Reds Fanatic]

It bounced first and then was hit. That should be a DP.

[ProfessorTofty]

Looks like we're not going to get the call.

[50YrRedsFan]

STL now 3-0 over ARI, bot 3

[redsfaninbsg]

MLB umpires are terrible.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Missed that call. Tough call with a full crew. Short staffed...even tougher.

[Reds Fanatic]

That is about as upset as you ever see Dusty on a call

[kaldaniels]

A more knowledgable manager would have gotten that call reversed.

[_Sir_Charles_]

It bounced first and then was hit. That should be a DP.

Yep. I saw that live. The umps definitely missed the call, but that doesn't mean the umps are horrible. (not directed at you RF).

[Mutaman]

Tony Cingrani says hi.


yeah, I'm a big picture guy, but I want to win now. And if Marshall is going to continue fooling around and Baker won't use Chapman to get four outs, then bring Cingrani up and use him when necessary.

[RiverRat13]

Nice play, Jay!

[Todd Gack]

So let me get this straight: If a ball bounces to the plate and the guy hits it in the air like Frazier caught it. . . that's essentially a line out?

[ProfessorTofty]

Bruce gets us out of the inning, with a nice catch on a drive to right!

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice running catch by Bruce! 1-0 Reds after 7.

[Maker_84]

Great play by Jay he has deceptive speed

[Reds Fanatic]

So let me get this straight: If a ball bounces to the plate and the guy hits it in the air like Frazier caught it. . . that's essentially a line out?
Yes if you hit a bounced ball and it goes in the air that is a fly out. It is so rare I am not sure most know that rule but that is the rule.

[_Sir_Charles_]

MLB umpires are terrible.

They've been in the spotlight this season for the wrong reasons...but that statement is just wrong. Go watch some minor league games. Go watch some classic games. These guys are very good...but even great umps miss plays.

[Mutaman]

Great effort by Bronson. If Latos would have given us 7 yesterday we would have won.

[50YrRedsFan]

So let me get this straight: If a ball bounces to the plate and the guy hits it in the air like Frazier caught it. . . that's essentially a line out?

Yes. It could roll to the plate, but if the batter hit it, it would be in play.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Yes if you hit a bounced ball and it goes in the air that is a fly out. It is so rare I am not sure most know that rule but that is the rule.

Exactly. But unfortunately, that's not what the umps thought happened. They thought he hit it on the fly and then hit it into the ground for a high chopper to Todd.

[RedTeamGo!]

Impressive play by Bruce to get the third out. Covered a lot of ground.

[Reds Fanatic]

Paul grounds out to short.

[Tony Cloninger]

Watching the yankees on espn and im very envious of that offense

Why? They are just average this year, The pitching has carried that team. :confused:

[redsfaninbsg]

They've been in the spotlight this season for the wrong reasons...but that statement is just wrong. Go watch some minor league games. Go watch some classic games. These guys are very good...but even great umps miss plays.

Show me a minor league or classic game that had an umpire reward an out when a pitcher cuts in front of the first baseman to catch the ball, a good five feet from the bag and I will back track on my statement.

[50YrRedsFan]

C'mon guys...this isn't Koufax, Gibson, Carlton, etc. we're facing. Let's get some hits.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hanny plunked.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hanigan is hit by the pitch

[ProfessorTofty]

Hanigan hit by the pitch.

[BCubb2003]

Warn everyone!

[50YrRedsFan]

Charge the mound and wake everyone up!

[ProfessorTofty]

Of course, the Reds HBP total wouldn't be nearly that high if it weren't for Choo.

[Reds Fanatic]

LaMahieu robs Izturis. 4-6 FC.

[Reds Fanatic]

Of course Izturis was right back to swinging at the first pitch as does Arroyo on a fly out to right. 1-0 Reds after 7.

[50YrRedsFan]

1 run scored in 17 innings

[_Sir_Charles_]

Show me a minor league or classic game that had an umpire reward an out when a pitcher cuts in front of the first baseman to catch the ball, a good five feet from the bag and I will back track on my statement.

How many times has a play like that even happened? That was a fluke play. Yes, he should have verified that the 1B had it, but I understood immediately how and why he missed the call. He's staring at the bag, and listening for the catch. He heard the catch beat the runner. The part of the play that was really bad for the ump was the 1b foot coming off the bag. Yes, it was a badly missed call. They happen. The percentage of close plays they get right is kinda astounding IMO. Sometimes I'm stunned at plays they get right when I can barely tell on a slow motion replay.

[Tony Cloninger]

Warn everyone!

It's a madhouse. A Mad...house.

[RedTeamGo!]

Keeping arroyo in is going to end up being a mistake. Please please let me be wrong.

[RedsManRick]

So the last few times Arroyo pitched, people complained that he was an 85 pitch starter. Anybody want to go on record as suggesting he's going to get beat up this inning?

[Reds Fanatic]

LeMahieu lines out to 2nd.

[ProfessorTofty]

Line drive to Izturis, one out.

[_Sir_Charles_]

1 pitch out....again! Sure have been a ton of those tonight by the Rockies it seems.

[50YrRedsFan]

So the last few times Arroyo pitched, people complained that he was an 85 pitch starter. Anybody want to go on record as suggesting he's going to get beat up this inning?

1st out hit hard.

[Reds Fanatic]

Eric Young pinch hitting

[_Sir_Charles_]

So the last few times Arroyo pitched, people complained that he was an 85 pitch starter. Anybody want to go on record as suggesting he's going to get beat up this inning?

Look up one post Rick. I think somebody is ready to.

[_Sir_Charles_]

3 pitches, 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Young flies out to left. Robinson in left now by the way

[BluegrassRedleg]

Surely Bronson Mullanes.

[_Sir_Charles_]

4 pitch inning. :O)

Bronson's on pace for a 18 inning shut out at 100 pitches. *grin*

[redsfaninbsg]

Do you bring Arroyo back?

[RedTeamGo!]

Haha nice!

[Reds Fanatic]

What an inning. 4 pitches. Fowler grounds out to 2nd. 1-0 Reds mid 8th

[kaldaniels]

Vintage Arroyo.

[Stray]

Rockies must have plans after the game tonight.

[Reds Fanatic]

Do you bring Arroyo back?

I would. I would have Chapman ready but at 85 pitches leave him in.