6/13/2013 Redlegs v. Cub paws

[NebraskaRed]

Reds lineup:
Choo CF
Cozart SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Bruce RF
Frazier 3B
Paul LF
Mesoraco C
Mat Latos RHP

Let's go for the sweep!

[cumberlandreds]

All is back to normal now. Cozart is hitting 2nd.

[cumberlandreds]

Here's the Cubbies lineup:

1. David DeJesus (L) CF
2. Starlin Castro (R) SS
3. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B
4. Alfonso Soriano (R) LF
5. Nate Schierholtz (L) RF
6. Luis Valbuena (L) 3B
7. Welington Castillo (R) C
8. Darwin Barney (R) 2B
9. Jeff Samardzija (R) P

[RedTeamGo!]

Reds lineup:
Choo CF
Cozart SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Bruce RF
Frazier 3B
Paul LF
Mesoraco C
Mat Latos RHP

Let's go for the sweep!

The reds are a team of very short names. haha

[HeatherC1212]

*ponders how many 'Likes' she can spread throughout this thread as she follows the game here later this afternoon* :p

[CySeymour]

See, the Cubs agree! Shortstops hit second.

[OesterPoster]

See, the Cubs agree! Shortstops hit second.

The crazy thing is that Cozart is outperforming Castro in almost every statistical category.

[757690]

*ponders how many 'Likes' she can spread throughout this thread as she follows the game here later this afternoon* :p

It depends on how many posts are about Joey ;)

[Tom Servo]

The crazy thing is that Cozart is outperforming Castro in almost every statistical category.
Yeah but Cozart is an idiot and useless, according to a segment of Reds fans. :dunno:

[Magdal]

The crazy thing is that Cozart is outperforming Castro in almost every statistical category.Isn't everyone? :)

[Raisor]

Yeah but Cozart is an idiot and useless, according to a segment of Reds fans. :dunno:

Not really sure that's what has been said. Dude just shouldn't hit anywhere higher than 7th or 8th

[RedTeamGo!]

Let's not forget Cozart has a .654 OPS / 73 OPS+ in the 2 hole with arguably the best protection in the national league batting directly behind him.

[HeatherC1212]

It depends on how many posts are about Joey ;)

Ahhh, that's not always true but it does help! :p

[mdccclxix]

Cozart and Paul vs a good fastball guy isn't a bad choice.

[Raisor]

Took the afternoon off to enjoy the game. Wasn't going to get anything done anyway

[HeatherC1212]

My boss is out of the office today so I may be able to post more throughout this game aside from a meeting I have at 2:50 PM (unless me posting likes is all you guys expect from me today, LOL). :)

[cumberlandreds]

Wind blowing straight in today. Going to take a cannon to get one out in that gale. I wouldn't mind seeing a game with the wind blowing out like that. Those are kinda fun to watch.

[cumberlandreds]

The wind may have just taken a HR away from Mr. Choo.

[RedsManRick]

Man, I know intellectually that it doesn't matter all that much in any given game, but in my gut it absolutely kills me to see our worst hitter batting 2nd.

Why not stack lefties? Are we really letting James Russel dictate our lineup? This is a tough pitcher and I hate the idea that we're taking so little advantage of our best hitter's opportunities.

[Raisor]

Of rather listen to Cowboy than Kelch on color

[cumberlandreds]

Votto walks but that's it for the Reds in the 1st.

[CySeymour]

Votto walks but that's it for the Reds in the 1st.

Doesn't Joey know he isn't payed to walk?

[_Sir_Charles_]

*ponders how many 'Likes' she can spread throughout this thread as she follows the game here later this afternoon* :p

I'm sure someone could design a program to automatically "like" every post for you. :O) Save your fingers from all those strenuous clicks. *grin*

[HeatherC1212]

I'm sure someone could design a program to automatically "like" every post for you. :O) Save your fingers from all those strenuous clicks. *grin*

That's not as fun though... :p

[Raisor]

Thanks to Joey, the Reds are now guaranteed at least 28 plate appearances with Choo currently with the last scheduled pa

[_Sir_Charles_]

That's not as fun though...

True.

[Raisor]

Sir, hi.

[Tom Servo]

Not really sure that's what has been said. Dude just shouldn't hit anywhere higher than 7th or 8th
Oh, it has been said, while the latter is perfectly reasonable and something I think we all agree with. But there have been a number of posts here saying Cozart is awful at hitting and should be benched/traded/DFA'ed (I think we all remember that one).

[HeatherC1212]

Off to my meeting....hopefully the Reds have the lead when I get back. :D

[Magdal]

Game in NY is in the books. 6th inning

[Raisor]

Oh, it has been said, while the latter is perfectly reasonable and something I think we all agree with. But there have been a number of posts here saying Cozart is awful at hitting and should be benched/traded/DFA'ed (I think we all remember that one).

I have no problems with the first two if they bring in someone better, but the DFA thing had to be performance art

[OnBaseMachine]

Only three batters in, but so far Latos is having trouble putting hitters away.

[Raisor]

Only three batters in, but so far Latos is having trouble putting hitters away.

One post in and you're already kicked out of the after party

[OnBaseMachine]

0-2 count on Rizzo and comes back and walks him.

[ProfessorTofty]

And not only that, but it's first and third on the wild throw.

[Vottomatic]

With Samardjia on the mound today throwing heat, it woulda been a good day to bat Paul second. He loves the heat. Plus he's lefty vs. righty pitcher.

But Dusty just won't do it.

[RedTeamGo!]

Only three batters in, but so far Latos is having trouble putting hitters away.

Latos is definitely due for a loss. hopefully it is not today.

[ProfessorTofty]

Eek. That was terrible fielding.

[NebraskaRed]

That was...not pretty. 1-0 Cubs.

[cumberlandreds]

Reds look like they are in "The on the plane mode." Cozart botches a pop up. Mez didn't block a pitch he should have blocked. May be a long afternoon.

[Gainesville Red]

I like when Thom uses "Holy Moses."

[VR]

Glad the bullpen is rested.

[Kiko]

Reds look like they are going through the motions today. Hope they pick things up.

[cumberlandreds]

Choo battles the wind and sun for the catch. 1-0 Cubbies after one. Just keep it close. The Cubs will do something to lose it eventually.

[OnBaseMachine]

Lead off single by Bruce

[cumberlandreds]

First two on for the Reds. Frazier single.

Got to run, well, actually walk. Bring home a win RZ!

[757690]

That's the disadvantage of having Paul instead of Heisey there. Heisey would have K'd.

[ProfessorTofty]

Alright! Mesoraco with a base hit to tie things up.

[OnBaseMachine]

Mes singles in a run to tie the game.

[VR]

Just saw the Soriano "single". Not sure how that is not an error on Cozart...yikes.

[ProfessorTofty]

And Latos puts one down to give us runners on the corners and Choo up. Nice job, Latos.

[NebraskaRed]

Latos with a single. Nice.

[RedTeamGo!]

Alright! Mesoraco with a base hit to tie things up.

Excellent, that ups his trade value so we can trade him for a Loogy!

[757690]

Paul hits into a line drive laser doubleplay, but Mes singles Bruce home, and then Latos singles Mes to third.

First and third, two out for Choo.

[ProfessorTofty]

And now Choo puts on us top.

[VR]

Choo battles the wind and sun for the catch. 1-0 Cubbies after one. Just keep it close. The Cubs will do something to lose it eventually.

truth.

[757690]

Time for Cozart to make up for the dropped ball.

[Kc61]

Four game sweeps on the road are very tough to get. So I'm hopeful Reds' superiority will carry the day today.

[RedTeamGo!]

Time for Cozart to make up for the dropped ball.

Aaaaaand he pops up.

[Kiko]

Cozart pops up. What a surprise. 2-1 Reds.

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds were some bad luck away from having a huge inning.

Have I mentioned how much I can't stand having Cozart batting second?

[VR]

A tidy 10 pitch inning would be nice from Mat.

[WebScorpion]

Szmarsk... er, their pitcher is not fooling anyone today. The Reds are teeing off on his fastball. I'm just glad they're staying on top of the ball and not swinging for the fences. :clap:

[Vottomatic]

The ump's strike zone sucks today. Latos threw 4 strikes and 2 weren't called.

[RedTeamGo!]

Not watching the game on TV, was the Phillips error bad? I hate when he has errors against the Cubs because I can just picture their announcers with a smug grin saying "and, that is why Barney won the GG"

[ProfessorTofty]

Would have been a double play, but instead the runner that would have been out at first went to second. Looked pretty bad, but a popup just now ended the inning, so no damage done in terms of runs.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Sir, hi.

Sorry Phil. A bit distracted at the restaurant today. 12 freaking interviews. LOL. Hi back at ya.

[ProfessorTofty]

Jay Bruce to the wall at center for a double.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bruce with the 2 bagger!

[ProfessorTofty]

Well, gotta admit, that was a good play by DeJesus there, and that ends our inning.

[Vottomatic]

What is Wilson saying to the girl at the end of that commercial?

"Is this the way you guys always .............?" I can't understand what he's saying.

[Vottomatic]

2-0 Cardinals. Bottom of the 8th, Mets batting.

[ProfessorTofty]

Latos with a great third inning there.

[oregonred]

Only Raisor could pull off the solid red dress shirt and white tie look with beer in hand like that guy.

[reds1869]

What is Wilson saying to the girl at the end of that commercial?

"Is this the way you guys always .............?" I can't understand what he's saying.

"...record sound?" Strange commercial.

[oregonred]

Reds out 1-2-3 in about three minutes

[Vottomatic]

"...record sound?" Strange commercial.

Agree. Very strange.

[texasdave]

Something "phone-y" about that triple.

[ProfessorTofty]

Cubs tie it up on a triple and a one-out single.

[Tom Servo]

tie game, stupid Cubs.

[ProfessorTofty]

Double play to end the inning, so the game is tied up, but no further damage.

[reds1869]

Nice and easy 4-6-3 to put down the Cubs rally.

[HeatherC1212]

Well, I was hoping we'd have the lead when I got back from my meeting but I'll take a tie for the moment. Go Reds! :)

[redsfaninbsg]

Byrd has homered to bring the Mets to within one, one out in the 9th.

[VR]

Mets get a Byrd dinger to make it 2-1 in the bottom of the ninth. Buck hits a one-out double....get your rally caps on.

[Tom Servo]

Votto does what he is paid to do (hit singles. duh)

[ProfessorTofty]

And now a Phillips single makes it 4-2.

[Tom Servo]

BP does what he always does (besides hitting into DPs)

4-2 Reds

[redsfaninbsg]

Josh Satin K's, Mets lose.

[Tom Servo]

Mets lose.
I could have told you that hours ago.

[Mutaman]

Josh Satin K's, Mets lose.

Not just a k, but a really feeble k, with the tying run on third.

[Tom Servo]

Bases juiced after a Frazier walk, only one out (a Bruce K).

[Chip R]

Sometimes I get the feeling that the Reds kind of play with the Cubs much as a cat plays with a mouse.

[Tom Servo]

X-Man strikes out looking.

[Tom Servo]

Mes grounds out to short and the Reds leave them loaded.

[OnBaseMachine]

Hope that doesn't come back to haunt the Reds later.

[Biff Pocoroba]

Is the ESPN box score right? did they really leave Samardzja in to hit for himself here - down two with his pitch count already at 97?

[ProfessorTofty]

Latos with his fourth strikeout of the game.

[VR]

Don't like seeing Mat take 8 pitches to take care of the .100 hitting mullet king.

[Tom Servo]

Is the ESPN box score right? did they really leave Samardzja in to hit for himself here - down two with his pitch count already at 97?
yep

[ProfessorTofty]

And it's 4-3 after a blast by DeJesus.

[Tom Servo]

Nobody F's with De Jesus, a solo HR. 1 run lead.

[OnBaseMachine]

0-2 count to boot on the Dejesus HR.

[oregonred]

Choo with rally killing one out walk.

[Tom Servo]

Choo walks again, that's 2 walks and a hit for him today.

[HeatherC1212]

Is the game really boring or is everyone in a work coma like me?! :eek:

I have to head home from work now so hopefully the Reds have kept the lead when I'm able to check back in again later. Have a good night guys! :)

[oregonred]

Cozart single to RF, 1st and 3rd for Joey

[Tom Servo]

lol cubs! dejesus can't catch a high, shallow fly ball by Votto. runner out at 2nd, Choo scores.

[Biff Pocoroba]

Cubs gonna cub....or something like that

[RedTeamGo!]

I did not realize this

2012 UZR:

Barney: 15 (by far the best in the NL)
Phillips: 8.7

[oregonred]

That was Cubtastic. Dropped flyball by Dejesus, Choo scores, Cozart out at second on force.

[oregonred]

Castro error on easy groundball. BP loafing but safe at 1B

[oregonred]

An eventful routine flyball out to left center. 5-3 onto the bottom of the 6th...

[Hoosier Red]

Does Votto still get a SacFly on the force out?

[redsfaninbsg]

This is ugly baseball.

[redsfaninbsg]

Does Voatto still get a SacFly on the force out?

7-4 FC with an RBI

[Gizmo]

Stupid storms making me miss parts of the game. At least we're out of tornado warning for now.

[oregonred]

Votto with the gift RBI. That was an ugly swing and an ugly inning.

[Tom Servo]

This is ugly baseball.
I can recall similar Reds/Cubs games at Wrigley over the last few years. With the Reds, it's an outlier. With the Cubs, that seems to be the way they play.

[reds44]

I did not realize this

2012 UZR:

Barney: 15 (by far the best in the NL)
Phillips: 8.7

Barney's defensive value was off the charts last year, but he really can't hit.

It would be interesting if somebody got him and played him at SS.

[Vottomatic]

Is the game really boring or is everyone in a work coma like me?! :eek:

I have to head home from work now so hopefully the Reds have kept the lead when I'm able to check back in again later. Have a good night guys! :)

The storms that blew in about 9 am this morning knocked out the power at my office. I had a big bid due at noon, so I went home and did it on my laptop and emailed it in.

Called and the power was still out at the office, so I took the afternoon off.

[Tom Servo]

I hate you Nate Schierholtz.

[oregonred]

Another triple for Schierholtz. Nothing easy for Latos today. Man on third, one out.

[RedTeamGo!]

Barney's defensive value was off the charts last year, but he really can't hit.

It would be interesting if somebody got him and played him at SS.

So, basically he deserved the GG

[oregonred]

Reds D looking a bit shaky here, but two out. Run scores. 5-4 game.

[Tom Servo]

Cubs within a run now, and Latos won't get a 'quality start'.

[lidspinner]

Could jay have caught that ball? Or am I being harsh?

[redsfaninbsg]

I know the Reds have already won three games in this series and going in, I wanted three of four. However, if they lose this game I'll be pissed, it's just nobody from either team is really in tune with the game.

[reds44]

So, basically he deserved the GG
If it's actually awarded to the best defensive player at the position, yes.

[Gizmo]

Could jay have caught that ball? Or am I being harsh?

He could have, but the wind pushed it just back in. I imagine he thought it was gone.

[Spider Tre]

mother nature having some fun out there

[oregonred]

I thought Bruce could have caught that triple. Winds playing some havoc today.

Latos works through the 6th. Strap on the seatbelts for the 7-8-9 innings from the pen.

[WildcatFan]

I've never seen so many fly balls drop in for hits in my life.

[Kc61]

Simon in the bullpen. Wonder why not Lecure, Brox, and Chap.

Need somebody in the pen, Latos has had an adventurous day, he might be best off retiring for the day.

[oregonred]

Latos at 98 pitches, may see him in the 7th. Mat has been mediocre today, but no confidence in any better options at this point.

[redsfaninbsg]

Simon coming in? Interesting. Latos still unbeaten.

[oregonred]

Simon over Lecure. Interesting...

Walk to Mes forces the PH rendering the decision moot.

[oregonred]

Ok that was fun. Mes out stealing 2nd. Alfredo time.

[RedTeamGo!]

Perhaps because LeCure has been shaky the last few outings and Dusty wants to put him in a situation with less stress?

[Kc61]

Ok that was fun. Mes out stealing 2nd. Alfredo time.

Worse, Hannahan was burned. Simon will lead off ninth so Hannahan was wasted.

[Gizmo]

waste of a pinch hitter. Guess Hanahan stays in at 3rd now.

[Kc61]

waste of a pinch hitter. Guess Hanahan stays in at 3rd now.

That would be unwise. Just move on. Don't pull Frazier.

[Gizmo]

That would be unwise. Just move on. Don't pull Frazier.

unwise how? You still need someone to bat ninth, we'd waste two hitters if hannahan comes out now.

[VR]

Good Lord. A walk to start the inning? Really?

[Gizmo]

4 pitch walk

[Gizmo]

maybe hanahan should have stayed in at pitcher.

[Kc61]

Frazier was pulled. Not wise. Now you have a bunch of lefties next inning, all set up for Russell.

When Partch came up Dusty said Simon would pitch later in games. Whatever, you would think Sam here.

[Tom Servo]

Hard to shake the feeling the Reds are letting this one slip away with sloppy play, need to tighten up.

[RedTeamGo!]

4 pitch walk - that's quacktastic.

[Gizmo]

Hard to shake the feeling the Reds are letting this one slip away with sloppy play, need to tighten up.

They do seem to play sloppier on getaway days this year.

[Kc61]

unwise how? You still need someone to bat ninth, we'd waste two hitters if hannahan comes out now.

Close game no reason to lose Frazier's bat.

Now it is Hannahan and Choo likely to face a southpaw.

Is Hannahan so good a hitter you can't waste him?

I would have burned Jack and used Derrick R to lead off next inning.

[oregonred]

I feel a bit dumber from watching this poorly played game. Simon over Lecure... Egad.

[Vottomatic]

Big K!

[ProfessorTofty]

And Manny Parra in to hopefully wrap up the inning.

[Kc61]

Parra to pitch to Rizzo. LOOGY time.

[Gizmo]

Close game no reason to lose Frazier's bat.

Now it is Hannahan and Choo likely to face a southpaw.

Is Hannahan so good a hitter you can't waste him?

I would have burned Jack and used Derrick R to lead off next inning.

I counter with close game is no reason to burn a bat in what could go extras. Get a defensive replacement in (not that it's completely needed), and let the pitcher be the 8th due up instead of first due up.

Now if Hanahan had actually got an at bat in, I'm all for Frazier staying in and Hanahan taking a shower.

Even more ideally, cozart was in the 8 hole, and hanahan replaced him...

[Stray]

I know it's prolly the right call but I don't like parra coming into 1 run games with the tying run in scoring position

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[Kc61]

I counter with close game is no reason to burn a bat in what could go extras. Get a defensive replacement in (not that it's completely needed), and let the pitcher be the 8th due up instead of first due up.

Now if Hanahan had actually got an at bat in, I'm all for Frazier staying in and Hanahan taking a shower.

Frazier has the best UZR rating on the Reds. He doesn't need a defensive replacement.

Your method didn't burn Hannahan, true.

You burned Frazier.

[Vottomatic]

Parra gets the job done. But I was nervous.

[Kc61]

Nice job by Parra. Get runs Reds.

[Tom Servo]

Handy Manny comes through.

[texasdave]

Parra does the job. I was not real confident there.

[RedTeamGo!]

Now it is up to Broxton to blow it. You can do it!

[Gizmo]

Yay, now we gotta get through the 8th.

[Kc61]

Parra does the job. I was not real confident there.

Parra is ok in exactly that role. Nothing more.

[Vottomatic]

I don't know why we're all nervous. It's Thursday, not Sunday.

[757690]

I am actually impressed that Baker did some actually managing there. It wasn't just using guys in their preordained roles. Glad it worked out, but even if it didn't, I applaud it.

[Kc61]

Leaving Hannahan in drew the lefty. Jack fanned and it was an easy inning. And now Frazier is out of the ballgame.

[Tom Servo]

thank god for Soriano being a moron

[NebraskaRed]

What was Soriano thinking?

[Kc61]

Lecure, not Brox.

Wonder if Chappy will be rested.

Terrible Cubs play there.

[Gizmo]

Leaving Hannahan in drew the lefty. Jack fanned and it was an easy inning. And now Frazier is out of the ballgame.

In a spot in the order that hopefully doesn't have to bat again unless we're piling on in the 9th.

[redsfaninbsg]

You have to wonder how much medication Cubs fans are really on. Could you imagine watching this everyday?

[coachpipe]

Soriano is an idiot

[coachpipe]

And to think...there was a whole thread earlier this season about fans wanting to acquire Soriano

[Kc61]

Either Brox or Aroldis being rested I'd guess.

Reading Baker's mind, I'd guess he wants Chapman rested for the Brewers who can hit.

[Kc61]

In a spot in the order that hopefully doesn't have to bat again unless we're piling on in the 9th.

One run game. Votto, Phillips, Bruce and Frazier would be due next inning.

Now it's Votto, Phillips, Bruce and the pitcher's spot.

To accomplish what, exactly?

[Tom Servo]

I blame the seagulls for that walk.

[OnBaseMachine]

This bullpen needs a lot of fixing.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I did not realize this

2012 UZR:

Barney: 15 (by far the best in the NL)
Phillips: 8.7

I don't believe it for a second. Defensive metrics are crap. I've watched plenty of Barney and he's a fine 2b...but he PALES in comparison...it's NO contest.

[Vottomatic]

Where is the offspeed and breaking stuff from Lecure? He's throwing all 88 mph fastballs. He threw one offspeed pitch. Ugh. Come on.

[redsfaninbsg]

This bullpen needs a lot of fixing.

Ain't this the truth. It's pretty remarkable the record this team has given how inconsistent this pen has been.

[Tom Servo]

LeCure not fooling anybody.

[Vottomatic]

Wheels falling off. Is Dusty awake?

[redsfaninbsg]

Nobody on this team can pitch the 8th inning.

[OnBaseMachine]

0-2 fastball right down the middle

[Kc61]

Terrible pitching by Lecure. 0-2. Threw him apparently a fastball right over the plate.

Now two men on.

Sam is in a pitching slump, get him out of there.

Hard to sweep four on the road, but terrible pitching by Sam.

[Tom Servo]

Uncle II!

[Kc61]

Choo seems to make most of his catches (and non-catches) down on the ground.

[Vottomatic]

It's funny listening to Thom. "This inning is Lecure's as nobody is warming up in the bullpen".

Might as well say "why in the hell isn't anyone warming up in the bullpen, what is Dusty thinking?"

[Kc61]

Nobody on this team can pitch the 8th inning.

This says it all.

[Tom Servo]

If we can't get Darwin Barney out, we don't deserve to win this game.

[Kc61]

Sam is very tough with his breaking pitches. He has a couple of them.

Why he throws fastballs is beyond me.

[Tom Servo]

Yup, we don't deserve to win this win.

[Vottomatic]

Way to go Dusty.

[redsfaninbsg]

If we can't get Darwin Barney out, we don't deserve to win this game.

I agree and he gets a base hit.

[New York Red]

Lecure blows another one. Unreal. This bullpen is terrible.

[Gizmo]

One run game. Votto, Phillips, Bruce and Frazier would be due next inning.

Now it's Votto, Phillips, Bruce and the pitcher's spot.

To accomplish what, exactly?

I'm going to assume I'm wrong, as you're getting the thanks. But my method accomplished only wasting 1 player, not 2 in a game that could go extras. I apparently managed the same as Dusty, which is to not just throw away a player you may need later (Robinson in your scenario who would have been used up leading off last inning, is still available in mine and Dusty's).


And now it's tied :( damn 8th innings, can we just skip them?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Single. 1st & third. Tie game. Sam LeCure struggling. Tough break for Latos.

Hoover warming.

[Billy_Bearcat]

Sam LeCure baby

[Norm Chortleton]

I hope Latos destroys the clubhouse, team bus, or something. It's inexcusable for the bullpen to blow saves in 5 of his starts all year. This is 5 in 14 starts. Ridiculous.

[coachpipe]

Sams pitching like **** lately. Our whole bullpen has

[OnBaseMachine]

Horrible. Reds bullpen is gift wrapping the NL central to the Cardinals.

[Mutaman]

Poster (7th inning) Why did he bring Simon in instead of Sam?

Same Poster (8th Inning) Why is Sam in there?

[Raisor]

If we can't get Darwin Barney out, we don't deserve to win this game.

Are you supposed to be posting from the dugout? I thought that was against the rules

[Kc61]

I'm going to assume I'm wrong, as you're getting the thanks. But my method accomplished only wasting 1 player, not 2 in a game that could go extras. I apparently managed the same as Dusty, which is to not just throw away a player you may need later (Robinson in your scenario who would have been used up leading off last inning, is still available in mine and Dusty's).


And now it's tied :( damn 8th innings, can we just skip them?

And now Todd Frazier isn't in the game. It's not the number of players, it's who they are.

[Tom Servo]

Way to go Dusty.
>"Dusty's an idiot pitching Broxton in the 8th, put in LeCure, what are you thinking!"
>Dusty pitches LeCure in the 8th
> LeCure has bad appearances in the 8th
>"Way to go Dusty."

[Kingspoint]

Dusty just aged another 3 months. The bullpen's going to give him a heart-attack.

[redsfaninbsg]

The Reds have more bullpen issues that involve guys who are either A) Hurt but not on the DL or B) For whatever reason can't pitch on a particular day than any other team I have ever seen.

[VR]

Big hits by your late relievers to guys hitting .230 and .200 just ain't cuttin' it.

[Vottomatic]

It's inexcusable for the manager to leave a relief pitcher in who clearly doesn't have it and is getting hit easily. Ridiculous.

[Kingspoint]

And now Todd Frazier isn't in the game.Since June 1st, Frazier leads the team in OPS.

[Kingspoint]

It's inexcusable for the manager to leave a relief pitcher in who clearly doesn't have it and is getting hit easily. Ridiculous.He doesn't have any other options.

[klw]

I hope Latos destroys the clubhouse, team bus, or something. It's inexcusable for the bullpen to blow saves in 5 of his starts all year. This is 5 in 14 starts. Ridiculous.

Well Mr. Latos didn't exactly do a stellar job of holding leads today himself.

[Kingspoint]

Walt needs to get Dusty some legitimate help.

[dougdirt]

Big hits by your late relievers to guys hitting .230 and .200 just ain't cuttin' it.

A bloop hit isn't something you can do much about. It sucks, but when you get a weak pop up, you did your job. The ball just found a spot 120 feet from the plate where no one was.

[Brutus]

Horrible. Reds bullpen is gift wrapping the NL central to the Cardinals.

This refrain is getting kind of old. Game after game after game. Yet the Reds are only 2.5 games back.

Chill out. Enjoy a long season in which the Reds have one of the best records in baseball. If it is that upsetting to you, at least try not to ruin it for those that enjoy the success the club is having.

[_Sir_Charles_]

It's inexcusable for the manager to leave a relief pitcher in who clearly doesn't have it and is getting hit easily. Ridiculous.

But at the same time, Sam is a guy we simply HAVE to have this season and we've got to get him right. At some point in time you've got to let him pitch his way back into the swing of things, right?

Just one week ago, I don't think there was a single person on this board who didn't think Sam was either the best or second best/reliable arm in the pen.

[NebraskaRed]

It's inexcusable for the manager to leave a relief pitcher in who clearly doesn't have it and is getting hit easily. Ridiculous.

Just out of curiosity, when would you pull a reliever? After one batter gets a hit? two?

[Kc61]

Poster (7th inning) Why did he bring Simon in instead of Sam?

Same Poster (8th Inning) Why is Sam in there?

If you mean me, you are exactly correct.

I wanted Sam, Brox, and Chapman.

And in the eighth, when men got on, I wanted Sam out. I didn't want him in the eighth and I didn't want him with men on base. Correct.

[CySeymour]

How hard were the hits off of Lecure?

[OnBaseMachine]

The Reds have one quality reliever who can be trusted.

[tomnuetten]

feels like a sunday game :(

tztzt dusty, always using LeCure in the 8th inning

[redsfaninbsg]

A bloop hit isn't something you can do much about. It sucks, but when you get a weak pop up, you did your job. The ball just found a spot 120 feet from the plate where no one was.

Game has a funny way of evening out, line drive to left-center the at bat before was caught. Sam sucked, no other way to say it.

[edabbs44]

It's inexcusable for the manager to leave a relief pitcher in who clearly doesn't have it and is getting hit easily. Ridiculous.

Clearly is very subjective, and I bet if a manager used the clearly rule to take relievers out after a couple of batters, you'd have guys pitching 110 games.

[757690]

Darwin Barney, who makes Cesar Izturis look like Joey Votto, gets a bloop, excuse me base hit to tie the game, and it's Dusty's fault. Got it. :rolleyes:

[edabbs44]

But at the same time, Sam is a guy we simply HAVE to have this season and we've got to get him right. At some point in time you've got to let him pitch his way back into the swing of things, right?

Just one week ago, I don't think there was a single person on this board who didn't think Sam was either the best or second best/reliable arm in the pen.

Disagree. Sam isn't really much different, just that he isn't as lucky as he was earlier this year.

[dougdirt]

Game has a funny way of evening out, line drive to left-center the at bat before was caught. Sam sucked, no other way to say it.

That wasn't a line drive and every center fielder in baseball turns it into an out.

[Kingspoint]

Darwin Barney, who makes Cesar Izturis look like Joey Votto, gets a bloop, excuse me base hit to tie the game, and it's Dusty's fault. Got it. :rolleyes:
You have that backwards. Cesar Izturis makes Darwin Barney look like Joey Votto.

[foxfire123]

Just got home to a tie game. could be worse. :)

What is up with Sam LeCure tho, he was great, then all of a sudden it was like he fell off the cliff. Is he hurt and trying to hide it? what?

[Kc61]

Lecure's fastball today had nothing to it.

Whoa - Chapman throwing. It's Brox who seems unavailable.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Disagree. Sam isn't really much different, just that he isn't as lucky as he was earlier this year.

Sam has been about as reliable as it gets the past 2 years. Outside of this week...it's a rarity for him to have a poor outing.

[Trajinous]

WHY CAN'T CHAPMAN COME IN AFTER LECURE PUTS ON TWO!?!?!?!??.............so frustrating.

[Vottomatic]

The issue for me isn't which reliever he brings in. My problem is that when that reliever gets into trouble, clearly doesn't have it, is giving up hits galore.........and nobody is warming up in the bullpen.

[dougdirt]

Darwin Barney, who makes Cesar Izturis look like Joey Votto, gets a bloop, excuse me base hit to tie the game, and it's Dusty's fault. Got it. :rolleyes:

I thought it was LeCures fault? Screw it, I am blaming the Cardinals. It is their fault.

[redsfaninbsg]

That wasn't a line drive and every center fielder in baseball turns it into an out.

If you think Sam was "unlucky" in that inning, great, I don't.

[dougdirt]

WHY CAN'T CHAPMAN COME IN AFTER LECURE PUTS ON TWO!?!?!?!??.............so frustrating.

Because he wasn't warmed up.

[Mutaman]

If you mean me, you are exactly correct.

I wanted Sam, Brox, and Chapman.

And in the eighth, when men got on, I wanted Sam out. I didn't want him in the eighth and I didn't want him with men on base. Correct.

Didn't mean you. meant all those who were ready to put Sam in the HOF the last month or two. Obviously he is not 100 % which explains why they've been using him the way they have and explains the results he's been producing. Last three efforts have cost us wins. Can't use him again until he's healthy.

[dougdirt]

If you think Sam was "unlucky" in that inning, great, I don't.

I didn't say that. I do think he was unlucky on the Darwin Barney hit.

[Kingspoint]

Baker said that he doesn't believe in his Relievers going two innings, and that it leads to injuries. He said that's why Broxton was injured in LA. He doesn't want to do it with Chapman or any of his other Relievers. Philosophy.

[Mutaman]

Sam has been about as reliable as it gets the past 2 years. Outside of this week...it's a rarity for him to have a poor outing.

Well if memory serves me he has now had 3 absolutely miserable outings in a row and they have all cost us wins.

[Vottomatic]

Just got home to a tie game. could be worse. :)

What is up with Sam LeCure tho, he was great, then all of a sudden it was like he fell off the cliff. Is he hurt and trying to hide it? what?

Sam is throwing too many fastballs.

When he's going good, he has an outstanding changeup and a few balls that break different ways. For some reason he lately feels the need to try and get people out with his blazing 88 mph fastball.

Makes no sense.

[Trajinous]

Because he wasn't warmed up.

He should be. LeCure has been shaky lately. Dusty should have Chapman warming up anyway since he'll pitch the 9th and in case LeCure gets in trouble. Matheny would have had their closer pitch in the 8th.

[New York Red]

It's inexcusable for the manager to leave a relief pitcher in who clearly doesn't have it and is getting hit easily. Ridiculous.
The problem isn't that he brought Lecure in. The problem is he brought him in and didn't have anyone else warming up in case Lecure got in trouble. This has happened several times in close games in the 7th or 8th innings just in the past couple weeks. How anyone can defend that, I have no idea.

[Kingspoint]

Votto's OPS in the .600's since June 1st. Haven't seen him like this before.

[Vottomatic]

WHY CAN'T CHAPMAN COME IN AFTER LECURE PUTS ON TWO!?!?!?!??.............so frustrating.

He could if they had him warming up. But it's only a 1-run ballgame with multiple men on base and 1 out, so what's the urgency? :confused:

[RedlegJake]

I knew a " how much better the Cards are" reference was coming...knew it...

[redsfaninbsg]

Anybody got any idea what is wrong with Broxton?

[Vottomatic]

The problem isn't that he brought Lecure in. The problem is he brought him in and didn't have anyone else warming up in case Lecure got in trouble. This has happened several times in close games in the 7th or 8th innings just in the past couple weeks. How anyone can defend that, I have no idea.

Prepare to duck. It's defended all the time on here.

Well said, by the way.

[Kc61]

On the road, Chapman won't pitch the tie. He'll be kept ready for the "save."

Which means JJ Hoover pitches. He's been very good coming into tie games. LOL.