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NebraskaRed
06-13-2013, 12:01 PM
Reds lineup:
Choo CF
Cozart SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Bruce RF
Frazier 3B
Paul LF
Mesoraco C
Mat Latos RHP

Let's go for the sweep!

cumberlandreds
06-13-2013, 12:06 PM
All is back to normal now. Cozart is hitting 2nd.

cumberlandreds
06-13-2013, 12:07 PM
Here's the Cubbies lineup:

1. David DeJesus (L) CF
2. Starlin Castro (R) SS
3. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B
4. Alfonso Soriano (R) LF
5. Nate Schierholtz (L) RF
6. Luis Valbuena (L) 3B
7. Welington Castillo (R) C
8. Darwin Barney (R) 2B
9. Jeff Samardzija (R) P

RedTeamGo!
06-13-2013, 12:20 PM
Reds lineup:
Choo CF
Cozart SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Bruce RF
Frazier 3B
Paul LF
Mesoraco C
Mat Latos RHP

Let's go for the sweep!

The reds are a team of very short names. haha

HeatherC1212
06-13-2013, 12:39 PM
*ponders how many 'Likes' she can spread throughout this thread as she follows the game here later this afternoon* :p

CySeymour
06-13-2013, 01:49 PM
See, the Cubs agree! Shortstops hit second.

OesterPoster
06-13-2013, 01:59 PM
See, the Cubs agree! Shortstops hit second.

The crazy thing is that Cozart is outperforming Castro in almost every statistical category.

757690
06-13-2013, 02:06 PM
*ponders how many 'Likes' she can spread throughout this thread as she follows the game here later this afternoon* :p

It depends on how many posts are about Joey ;)

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 02:12 PM
The crazy thing is that Cozart is outperforming Castro in almost every statistical category.
Yeah but Cozart is an idiot and useless, according to a segment of Reds fans. :dunno:

Magdal
06-13-2013, 02:31 PM
The crazy thing is that Cozart is outperforming Castro in almost every statistical category.Isn't everyone? :)

Raisor
06-13-2013, 02:32 PM
Yeah but Cozart is an idiot and useless, according to a segment of Reds fans. :dunno:

Not really sure that's what has been said. Dude just shouldn't hit anywhere higher than 7th or 8th

RedTeamGo!
06-13-2013, 02:37 PM
Let's not forget Cozart has a .654 OPS / 73 OPS+ in the 2 hole with arguably the best protection in the national league batting directly behind him.

HeatherC1212
06-13-2013, 02:38 PM
It depends on how many posts are about Joey ;)

Ahhh, that's not always true but it does help! :p

mdccclxix
06-13-2013, 02:44 PM
Cozart and Paul vs a good fastball guy isn't a bad choice.

Raisor
06-13-2013, 03:19 PM
Took the afternoon off to enjoy the game. Wasn't going to get anything done anyway

HeatherC1212
06-13-2013, 03:20 PM
My boss is out of the office today so I may be able to post more throughout this game aside from a meeting I have at 2:50 PM (unless me posting likes is all you guys expect from me today, LOL). :)

cumberlandreds
06-13-2013, 03:21 PM
Wind blowing straight in today. Going to take a cannon to get one out in that gale. I wouldn't mind seeing a game with the wind blowing out like that. Those are kinda fun to watch.

cumberlandreds
06-13-2013, 03:25 PM
The wind may have just taken a HR away from Mr. Choo.

RedsManRick
06-13-2013, 03:26 PM
Man, I know intellectually that it doesn't matter all that much in any given game, but in my gut it absolutely kills me to see our worst hitter batting 2nd.

Why not stack lefties? Are we really letting James Russel dictate our lineup? This is a tough pitcher and I hate the idea that we're taking so little advantage of our best hitter's opportunities.

Raisor
06-13-2013, 03:26 PM
Of rather listen to Cowboy than Kelch on color

cumberlandreds
06-13-2013, 03:30 PM
Votto walks but that's it for the Reds in the 1st.

CySeymour
06-13-2013, 03:32 PM
Votto walks but that's it for the Reds in the 1st.

Doesn't Joey know he isn't payed to walk?

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2013, 03:33 PM
*ponders how many 'Likes' she can spread throughout this thread as she follows the game here later this afternoon* :p

I'm sure someone could design a program to automatically "like" every post for you. :O) Save your fingers from all those strenuous clicks. *grin*

HeatherC1212
06-13-2013, 03:34 PM
I'm sure someone could design a program to automatically "like" every post for you. :O) Save your fingers from all those strenuous clicks. *grin*

That's not as fun though... :p

Raisor
06-13-2013, 03:34 PM
Thanks to Joey, the Reds are now guaranteed at least 28 plate appearances with Choo currently with the last scheduled pa

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2013, 03:34 PM
That's not as fun though...

True.

Raisor
06-13-2013, 03:37 PM
Sir, hi.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 03:40 PM
Not really sure that's what has been said. Dude just shouldn't hit anywhere higher than 7th or 8th
Oh, it has been said, while the latter is perfectly reasonable and something I think we all agree with. But there have been a number of posts here saying Cozart is awful at hitting and should be benched/traded/DFA'ed (I think we all remember that one).

HeatherC1212
06-13-2013, 03:40 PM
Off to my meeting....hopefully the Reds have the lead when I get back. :D

Magdal
06-13-2013, 03:42 PM
Game in NY is in the books. 6th inning

Raisor
06-13-2013, 03:42 PM
Oh, it has been said, while the latter is perfectly reasonable and something I think we all agree with. But there have been a number of posts here saying Cozart is awful at hitting and should be benched/traded/DFA'ed (I think we all remember that one).

I have no problems with the first two if they bring in someone better, but the DFA thing had to be performance art

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2013, 03:43 PM
Only three batters in, but so far Latos is having trouble putting hitters away.

Raisor
06-13-2013, 03:43 PM
Only three batters in, but so far Latos is having trouble putting hitters away.

One post in and you're already kicked out of the after party

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2013, 03:44 PM
0-2 count on Rizzo and comes back and walks him.

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 03:44 PM
And not only that, but it's first and third on the wild throw.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 03:45 PM
With Samardjia on the mound today throwing heat, it woulda been a good day to bat Paul second. He loves the heat. Plus he's lefty vs. righty pitcher.

But Dusty just won't do it.

RedTeamGo!
06-13-2013, 03:46 PM
Only three batters in, but so far Latos is having trouble putting hitters away.

Latos is definitely due for a loss. hopefully it is not today.

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 03:46 PM
Eek. That was terrible fielding.

NebraskaRed
06-13-2013, 03:47 PM
That was...not pretty. 1-0 Cubs.

cumberlandreds
06-13-2013, 03:48 PM
Reds look like they are in "The on the plane mode." Cozart botches a pop up. Mez didn't block a pitch he should have blocked. May be a long afternoon.

Gainesville Red
06-13-2013, 03:48 PM
I like when Thom uses "Holy Moses."

VR
06-13-2013, 03:48 PM
Glad the bullpen is rested.

Kiko
06-13-2013, 03:48 PM
Reds look like they are going through the motions today. Hope they pick things up.

cumberlandreds
06-13-2013, 03:50 PM
Choo battles the wind and sun for the catch. 1-0 Cubbies after one. Just keep it close. The Cubs will do something to lose it eventually.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2013, 03:54 PM
Lead off single by Bruce

cumberlandreds
06-13-2013, 03:56 PM
First two on for the Reds. Frazier single.

Got to run, well, actually walk. Bring home a win RZ!

757690
06-13-2013, 03:58 PM
That's the disadvantage of having Paul instead of Heisey there. Heisey would have K'd.

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 03:58 PM
Alright! Mesoraco with a base hit to tie things up.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2013, 03:58 PM
Mes singles in a run to tie the game.

VR
06-13-2013, 03:58 PM
Just saw the Soriano "single". Not sure how that is not an error on Cozart...yikes.

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 03:59 PM
And Latos puts one down to give us runners on the corners and Choo up. Nice job, Latos.

NebraskaRed
06-13-2013, 03:59 PM
Latos with a single. Nice.

RedTeamGo!
06-13-2013, 03:59 PM
Alright! Mesoraco with a base hit to tie things up.

Excellent, that ups his trade value so we can trade him for a Loogy!

757690
06-13-2013, 04:00 PM
Paul hits into a line drive laser doubleplay, but Mes singles Bruce home, and then Latos singles Mes to third.

First and third, two out for Choo.

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 04:00 PM
And now Choo puts on us top.

VR
06-13-2013, 04:01 PM
Choo battles the wind and sun for the catch. 1-0 Cubbies after one. Just keep it close. The Cubs will do something to lose it eventually.

truth.

757690
06-13-2013, 04:01 PM
Time for Cozart to make up for the dropped ball.

Kc61
06-13-2013, 04:03 PM
Four game sweeps on the road are very tough to get. So I'm hopeful Reds' superiority will carry the day today.

RedTeamGo!
06-13-2013, 04:03 PM
Time for Cozart to make up for the dropped ball.

Aaaaaand he pops up.

Kiko
06-13-2013, 04:03 PM
Cozart pops up. What a surprise. 2-1 Reds.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2013, 04:04 PM
Reds were some bad luck away from having a huge inning.

Have I mentioned how much I can't stand having Cozart batting second?

VR
06-13-2013, 04:04 PM
A tidy 10 pitch inning would be nice from Mat.

WebScorpion
06-13-2013, 04:04 PM
Szmarsk... er, their pitcher is not fooling anyone today. The Reds are teeing off on his fastball. I'm just glad they're staying on top of the ball and not swinging for the fences. :clap:

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 04:06 PM
The ump's strike zone sucks today. Latos threw 4 strikes and 2 weren't called.

RedTeamGo!
06-13-2013, 04:12 PM
Not watching the game on TV, was the Phillips error bad? I hate when he has errors against the Cubs because I can just picture their announcers with a smug grin saying "and, that is why Barney won the GG"

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 04:13 PM
Would have been a double play, but instead the runner that would have been out at first went to second. Looked pretty bad, but a popup just now ended the inning, so no damage done in terms of runs.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2013, 04:19 PM
Sir, hi.

Sorry Phil. A bit distracted at the restaurant today. 12 freaking interviews. LOL. Hi back at ya.

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 04:21 PM
Jay Bruce to the wall at center for a double.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2013, 04:21 PM
Bruce with the 2 bagger!

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 04:23 PM
Well, gotta admit, that was a good play by DeJesus there, and that ends our inning.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 04:26 PM
What is Wilson saying to the girl at the end of that commercial?

"Is this the way you guys always .............?" I can't understand what he's saying.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 04:28 PM
2-0 Cardinals. Bottom of the 8th, Mets batting.

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 04:29 PM
Latos with a great third inning there.

oregonred
06-13-2013, 04:33 PM
Only Raisor could pull off the solid red dress shirt and white tie look with beer in hand like that guy.

reds1869
06-13-2013, 04:36 PM
What is Wilson saying to the girl at the end of that commercial?

"Is this the way you guys always .............?" I can't understand what he's saying.

"...record sound?" Strange commercial.

oregonred
06-13-2013, 04:37 PM
Reds out 1-2-3 in about three minutes

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 04:37 PM
"...record sound?" Strange commercial.

Agree. Very strange.

texasdave
06-13-2013, 04:44 PM
Something "phone-y" about that triple.

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 04:44 PM
Cubs tie it up on a triple and a one-out single.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 04:44 PM
tie game, stupid Cubs.

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 04:45 PM
Double play to end the inning, so the game is tied up, but no further damage.

reds1869
06-13-2013, 04:45 PM
Nice and easy 4-6-3 to put down the Cubs rally.

HeatherC1212
06-13-2013, 04:47 PM
Well, I was hoping we'd have the lead when I got back from my meeting but I'll take a tie for the moment. Go Reds! :)

redsfaninbsg
06-13-2013, 04:48 PM
Byrd has homered to bring the Mets to within one, one out in the 9th.

VR
06-13-2013, 04:48 PM
Mets get a Byrd dinger to make it 2-1 in the bottom of the ninth. Buck hits a one-out double....get your rally caps on.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 04:51 PM
Votto does what he is paid to do (hit singles. duh)

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 04:53 PM
And now a Phillips single makes it 4-2.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 04:53 PM
BP does what he always does (besides hitting into DPs)

4-2 Reds

redsfaninbsg
06-13-2013, 04:54 PM
Josh Satin K's, Mets lose.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 04:55 PM
Mets lose.
I could have told you that hours ago.

Mutaman
06-13-2013, 04:58 PM
Josh Satin K's, Mets lose.

Not just a k, but a really feeble k, with the tying run on third.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 04:58 PM
Bases juiced after a Frazier walk, only one out (a Bruce K).

Chip R
06-13-2013, 05:00 PM
Sometimes I get the feeling that the Reds kind of play with the Cubs much as a cat plays with a mouse.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 05:01 PM
X-Man strikes out looking.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 05:02 PM
Mes grounds out to short and the Reds leave them loaded.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2013, 05:03 PM
Hope that doesn't come back to haunt the Reds later.

Biff Pocoroba
06-13-2013, 05:07 PM
Is the ESPN box score right? did they really leave Samardzja in to hit for himself here - down two with his pitch count already at 97?

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 05:08 PM
Latos with his fourth strikeout of the game.

VR
06-13-2013, 05:08 PM
Don't like seeing Mat take 8 pitches to take care of the .100 hitting mullet king.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 05:08 PM
Is the ESPN box score right? did they really leave Samardzja in to hit for himself here - down two with his pitch count already at 97?
yep

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 05:09 PM
And it's 4-3 after a blast by DeJesus.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 05:09 PM
Nobody F's with De Jesus, a solo HR. 1 run lead.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2013, 05:13 PM
0-2 count to boot on the Dejesus HR.

oregonred
06-13-2013, 05:18 PM
Choo with rally killing one out walk.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 05:18 PM
Choo walks again, that's 2 walks and a hit for him today.

HeatherC1212
06-13-2013, 05:19 PM
Is the game really boring or is everyone in a work coma like me?! :eek:

I have to head home from work now so hopefully the Reds have kept the lead when I'm able to check back in again later. Have a good night guys! :)

oregonred
06-13-2013, 05:21 PM
Cozart single to RF, 1st and 3rd for Joey

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 05:21 PM
lol cubs! dejesus can't catch a high, shallow fly ball by Votto. runner out at 2nd, Choo scores.

Biff Pocoroba
06-13-2013, 05:21 PM
Cubs gonna cub....or something like that

RedTeamGo!
06-13-2013, 05:22 PM
I did not realize this

2012 UZR:

Barney: 15 (by far the best in the NL)
Phillips: 8.7

oregonred
06-13-2013, 05:22 PM
That was Cubtastic. Dropped flyball by Dejesus, Choo scores, Cozart out at second on force.

oregonred
06-13-2013, 05:23 PM
Castro error on easy groundball. BP loafing but safe at 1B

oregonred
06-13-2013, 05:25 PM
An eventful routine flyball out to left center. 5-3 onto the bottom of the 6th...

Hoosier Red
06-13-2013, 05:25 PM
Does Votto still get a SacFly on the force out?

redsfaninbsg
06-13-2013, 05:25 PM
This is ugly baseball.

redsfaninbsg
06-13-2013, 05:25 PM
Does Voatto still get a SacFly on the force out?

7-4 FC with an RBI

Gizmo
06-13-2013, 05:26 PM
Stupid storms making me miss parts of the game. At least we're out of tornado warning for now.

oregonred
06-13-2013, 05:26 PM
Votto with the gift RBI. That was an ugly swing and an ugly inning.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 05:27 PM
This is ugly baseball.
I can recall similar Reds/Cubs games at Wrigley over the last few years. With the Reds, it's an outlier. With the Cubs, that seems to be the way they play.

reds44
06-13-2013, 05:28 PM
I did not realize this

2012 UZR:

Barney: 15 (by far the best in the NL)
Phillips: 8.7

Barney's defensive value was off the charts last year, but he really can't hit.

It would be interesting if somebody got him and played him at SS.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 05:28 PM
Is the game really boring or is everyone in a work coma like me?! :eek:

I have to head home from work now so hopefully the Reds have kept the lead when I'm able to check back in again later. Have a good night guys! :)

The storms that blew in about 9 am this morning knocked out the power at my office. I had a big bid due at noon, so I went home and did it on my laptop and emailed it in.

Called and the power was still out at the office, so I took the afternoon off.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 05:28 PM
I hate you Nate Schierholtz.

oregonred
06-13-2013, 05:29 PM
Another triple for Schierholtz. Nothing easy for Latos today. Man on third, one out.

RedTeamGo!
06-13-2013, 05:29 PM
Barney's defensive value was off the charts last year, but he really can't hit.

It would be interesting if somebody got him and played him at SS.

So, basically he deserved the GG

oregonred
06-13-2013, 05:30 PM
Reds D looking a bit shaky here, but two out. Run scores. 5-4 game.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 05:30 PM
Cubs within a run now, and Latos won't get a 'quality start'.

lidspinner
06-13-2013, 05:31 PM
Could jay have caught that ball? Or am I being harsh?

redsfaninbsg
06-13-2013, 05:31 PM
I know the Reds have already won three games in this series and going in, I wanted three of four. However, if they lose this game I'll be pissed, it's just nobody from either team is really in tune with the game.

reds44
06-13-2013, 05:32 PM
So, basically he deserved the GG
If it's actually awarded to the best defensive player at the position, yes.

Gizmo
06-13-2013, 05:32 PM
Could jay have caught that ball? Or am I being harsh?

He could have, but the wind pushed it just back in. I imagine he thought it was gone.

Spider Tre
06-13-2013, 05:33 PM
mother nature having some fun out there

oregonred
06-13-2013, 05:33 PM
I thought Bruce could have caught that triple. Winds playing some havoc today.

Latos works through the 6th. Strap on the seatbelts for the 7-8-9 innings from the pen.

WildcatFan
06-13-2013, 05:34 PM
I've never seen so many fly balls drop in for hits in my life.

Kc61
06-13-2013, 05:38 PM
Simon in the bullpen. Wonder why not Lecure, Brox, and Chap.

Need somebody in the pen, Latos has had an adventurous day, he might be best off retiring for the day.

oregonred
06-13-2013, 05:38 PM
Latos at 98 pitches, may see him in the 7th. Mat has been mediocre today, but no confidence in any better options at this point.

redsfaninbsg
06-13-2013, 05:39 PM
Simon coming in? Interesting. Latos still unbeaten.

oregonred
06-13-2013, 05:39 PM
Simon over Lecure. Interesting...

Walk to Mes forces the PH rendering the decision moot.

oregonred
06-13-2013, 05:41 PM
Ok that was fun. Mes out stealing 2nd. Alfredo time.

RedTeamGo!
06-13-2013, 05:41 PM
Perhaps because LeCure has been shaky the last few outings and Dusty wants to put him in a situation with less stress?

Kc61
06-13-2013, 05:42 PM
Ok that was fun. Mes out stealing 2nd. Alfredo time.

Worse, Hannahan was burned. Simon will lead off ninth so Hannahan was wasted.

Gizmo
06-13-2013, 05:42 PM
waste of a pinch hitter. Guess Hanahan stays in at 3rd now.

Kc61
06-13-2013, 05:42 PM
waste of a pinch hitter. Guess Hanahan stays in at 3rd now.

That would be unwise. Just move on. Don't pull Frazier.

Gizmo
06-13-2013, 05:43 PM
That would be unwise. Just move on. Don't pull Frazier.

unwise how? You still need someone to bat ninth, we'd waste two hitters if hannahan comes out now.

VR
06-13-2013, 05:44 PM
Good Lord. A walk to start the inning? Really?

Gizmo
06-13-2013, 05:45 PM
4 pitch walk

Gizmo
06-13-2013, 05:45 PM
maybe hanahan should have stayed in at pitcher.

Kc61
06-13-2013, 05:45 PM
Frazier was pulled. Not wise. Now you have a bunch of lefties next inning, all set up for Russell.

When Partch came up Dusty said Simon would pitch later in games. Whatever, you would think Sam here.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 05:45 PM
Hard to shake the feeling the Reds are letting this one slip away with sloppy play, need to tighten up.

RedTeamGo!
06-13-2013, 05:46 PM
4 pitch walk - that's quacktastic.

Gizmo
06-13-2013, 05:46 PM
Hard to shake the feeling the Reds are letting this one slip away with sloppy play, need to tighten up.

They do seem to play sloppier on getaway days this year.

Kc61
06-13-2013, 05:48 PM
unwise how? You still need someone to bat ninth, we'd waste two hitters if hannahan comes out now.

Close game no reason to lose Frazier's bat.

Now it is Hannahan and Choo likely to face a southpaw.

Is Hannahan so good a hitter you can't waste him?

I would have burned Jack and used Derrick R to lead off next inning.

oregonred
06-13-2013, 05:48 PM
I feel a bit dumber from watching this poorly played game. Simon over Lecure... Egad.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 05:49 PM
Big K!

ProfessorTofty
06-13-2013, 05:50 PM
And Manny Parra in to hopefully wrap up the inning.

Kc61
06-13-2013, 05:51 PM
Parra to pitch to Rizzo. LOOGY time.

Gizmo
06-13-2013, 05:51 PM
Close game no reason to lose Frazier's bat.

Now it is Hannahan and Choo likely to face a southpaw.

Is Hannahan so good a hitter you can't waste him?

I would have burned Jack and used Derrick R to lead off next inning.

I counter with close game is no reason to burn a bat in what could go extras. Get a defensive replacement in (not that it's completely needed), and let the pitcher be the 8th due up instead of first due up.

Now if Hanahan had actually got an at bat in, I'm all for Frazier staying in and Hanahan taking a shower.

Even more ideally, cozart was in the 8 hole, and hanahan replaced him...

Stray
06-13-2013, 05:51 PM
I know it's prolly the right call but I don't like parra coming into 1 run games with the tying run in scoring position

Sent from my Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk

Kc61
06-13-2013, 05:54 PM
I counter with close game is no reason to burn a bat in what could go extras. Get a defensive replacement in (not that it's completely needed), and let the pitcher be the 8th due up instead of first due up.

Now if Hanahan had actually got an at bat in, I'm all for Frazier staying in and Hanahan taking a shower.

Frazier has the best UZR rating on the Reds. He doesn't need a defensive replacement.

Your method didn't burn Hannahan, true.

You burned Frazier.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 05:54 PM
Parra gets the job done. But I was nervous.

Kc61
06-13-2013, 05:55 PM
Nice job by Parra. Get runs Reds.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 05:55 PM
Handy Manny comes through.

texasdave
06-13-2013, 05:55 PM
Parra does the job. I was not real confident there.

RedTeamGo!
06-13-2013, 05:56 PM
Now it is up to Broxton to blow it. You can do it!

Gizmo
06-13-2013, 05:56 PM
Yay, now we gotta get through the 8th.

Kc61
06-13-2013, 05:57 PM
Parra does the job. I was not real confident there.

Parra is ok in exactly that role. Nothing more.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 05:57 PM
I don't know why we're all nervous. It's Thursday, not Sunday.

757690
06-13-2013, 05:57 PM
I am actually impressed that Baker did some actually managing there. It wasn't just using guys in their preordained roles. Glad it worked out, but even if it didn't, I applaud it.

Kc61
06-13-2013, 06:03 PM
Leaving Hannahan in drew the lefty. Jack fanned and it was an easy inning. And now Frazier is out of the ballgame.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 06:05 PM
thank god for Soriano being a moron

NebraskaRed
06-13-2013, 06:05 PM
What was Soriano thinking?

Kc61
06-13-2013, 06:05 PM
Lecure, not Brox.

Wonder if Chappy will be rested.

Terrible Cubs play there.

Gizmo
06-13-2013, 06:06 PM
Leaving Hannahan in drew the lefty. Jack fanned and it was an easy inning. And now Frazier is out of the ballgame.

In a spot in the order that hopefully doesn't have to bat again unless we're piling on in the 9th.

redsfaninbsg
06-13-2013, 06:06 PM
You have to wonder how much medication Cubs fans are really on. Could you imagine watching this everyday?

coachpipe
06-13-2013, 06:06 PM
Soriano is an idiot

coachpipe
06-13-2013, 06:07 PM
And to think...there was a whole thread earlier this season about fans wanting to acquire Soriano

Kc61
06-13-2013, 06:07 PM
Either Brox or Aroldis being rested I'd guess.

Reading Baker's mind, I'd guess he wants Chapman rested for the Brewers who can hit.

Kc61
06-13-2013, 06:09 PM
In a spot in the order that hopefully doesn't have to bat again unless we're piling on in the 9th.

One run game. Votto, Phillips, Bruce and Frazier would be due next inning.

Now it's Votto, Phillips, Bruce and the pitcher's spot.

To accomplish what, exactly?

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 06:09 PM
I blame the seagulls for that walk.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2013, 06:10 PM
This bullpen needs a lot of fixing.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2013, 06:10 PM
I did not realize this

2012 UZR:

Barney: 15 (by far the best in the NL)
Phillips: 8.7

I don't believe it for a second. Defensive metrics are crap. I've watched plenty of Barney and he's a fine 2b...but he PALES in comparison...it's NO contest.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 06:10 PM
Where is the offspeed and breaking stuff from Lecure? He's throwing all 88 mph fastballs. He threw one offspeed pitch. Ugh. Come on.

redsfaninbsg
06-13-2013, 06:11 PM
This bullpen needs a lot of fixing.

Ain't this the truth. It's pretty remarkable the record this team has given how inconsistent this pen has been.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 06:12 PM
LeCure not fooling anybody.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 06:12 PM
Wheels falling off. Is Dusty awake?

redsfaninbsg
06-13-2013, 06:12 PM
Nobody on this team can pitch the 8th inning.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2013, 06:12 PM
0-2 fastball right down the middle

Kc61
06-13-2013, 06:13 PM
Terrible pitching by Lecure. 0-2. Threw him apparently a fastball right over the plate.

Now two men on.

Sam is in a pitching slump, get him out of there.

Hard to sweep four on the road, but terrible pitching by Sam.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 06:13 PM
Uncle II!

Kc61
06-13-2013, 06:14 PM
Choo seems to make most of his catches (and non-catches) down on the ground.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 06:15 PM
It's funny listening to Thom. "This inning is Lecure's as nobody is warming up in the bullpen".

Might as well say "why in the hell isn't anyone warming up in the bullpen, what is Dusty thinking?"

Kc61
06-13-2013, 06:15 PM
Nobody on this team can pitch the 8th inning.

This says it all.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 06:15 PM
If we can't get Darwin Barney out, we don't deserve to win this game.

Kc61
06-13-2013, 06:16 PM
Sam is very tough with his breaking pitches. He has a couple of them.

Why he throws fastballs is beyond me.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 06:16 PM
Yup, we don't deserve to win this win.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 06:16 PM
Way to go Dusty.

redsfaninbsg
06-13-2013, 06:16 PM
If we can't get Darwin Barney out, we don't deserve to win this game.

I agree and he gets a base hit.

New York Red
06-13-2013, 06:16 PM
Lecure blows another one. Unreal. This bullpen is terrible.

Gizmo
06-13-2013, 06:17 PM
One run game. Votto, Phillips, Bruce and Frazier would be due next inning.

Now it's Votto, Phillips, Bruce and the pitcher's spot.

To accomplish what, exactly?

I'm going to assume I'm wrong, as you're getting the thanks. But my method accomplished only wasting 1 player, not 2 in a game that could go extras. I apparently managed the same as Dusty, which is to not just throw away a player you may need later (Robinson in your scenario who would have been used up leading off last inning, is still available in mine and Dusty's).


And now it's tied :( damn 8th innings, can we just skip them?

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2013, 06:17 PM
Single. 1st & third. Tie game. Sam LeCure struggling. Tough break for Latos.

Hoover warming.

Billy_Bearcat
06-13-2013, 06:17 PM
Sam LeCure baby

Norm Chortleton
06-13-2013, 06:17 PM
I hope Latos destroys the clubhouse, team bus, or something. It's inexcusable for the bullpen to blow saves in 5 of his starts all year. This is 5 in 14 starts. Ridiculous.

coachpipe
06-13-2013, 06:17 PM
Sams pitching like **** lately. Our whole bullpen has

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2013, 06:17 PM
Horrible. Reds bullpen is gift wrapping the NL central to the Cardinals.

Mutaman
06-13-2013, 06:17 PM
Poster (7th inning) Why did he bring Simon in instead of Sam?

Same Poster (8th Inning) Why is Sam in there?

Raisor
06-13-2013, 06:17 PM
If we can't get Darwin Barney out, we don't deserve to win this game.

Are you supposed to be posting from the dugout? I thought that was against the rules

Kc61
06-13-2013, 06:17 PM
I'm going to assume I'm wrong, as you're getting the thanks. But my method accomplished only wasting 1 player, not 2 in a game that could go extras. I apparently managed the same as Dusty, which is to not just throw away a player you may need later (Robinson in your scenario who would have been used up leading off last inning, is still available in mine and Dusty's).


And now it's tied :( damn 8th innings, can we just skip them?

And now Todd Frazier isn't in the game. It's not the number of players, it's who they are.

Tom Servo
06-13-2013, 06:17 PM
Way to go Dusty.
>"Dusty's an idiot pitching Broxton in the 8th, put in LeCure, what are you thinking!"
>Dusty pitches LeCure in the 8th
> LeCure has bad appearances in the 8th
>"Way to go Dusty."

Kingspoint
06-13-2013, 06:18 PM
Dusty just aged another 3 months. The bullpen's going to give him a heart-attack.

redsfaninbsg
06-13-2013, 06:18 PM
The Reds have more bullpen issues that involve guys who are either A) Hurt but not on the DL or B) For whatever reason can't pitch on a particular day than any other team I have ever seen.

VR
06-13-2013, 06:18 PM
Big hits by your late relievers to guys hitting .230 and .200 just ain't cuttin' it.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 06:18 PM
It's inexcusable for the manager to leave a relief pitcher in who clearly doesn't have it and is getting hit easily. Ridiculous.

Kingspoint
06-13-2013, 06:18 PM
And now Todd Frazier isn't in the game.Since June 1st, Frazier leads the team in OPS.

Kingspoint
06-13-2013, 06:19 PM
It's inexcusable for the manager to leave a relief pitcher in who clearly doesn't have it and is getting hit easily. Ridiculous.He doesn't have any other options.

klw
06-13-2013, 06:19 PM
I hope Latos destroys the clubhouse, team bus, or something. It's inexcusable for the bullpen to blow saves in 5 of his starts all year. This is 5 in 14 starts. Ridiculous.

Well Mr. Latos didn't exactly do a stellar job of holding leads today himself.

Kingspoint
06-13-2013, 06:19 PM
Walt needs to get Dusty some legitimate help.

dougdirt
06-13-2013, 06:20 PM
Big hits by your late relievers to guys hitting .230 and .200 just ain't cuttin' it.

A bloop hit isn't something you can do much about. It sucks, but when you get a weak pop up, you did your job. The ball just found a spot 120 feet from the plate where no one was.

Brutus
06-13-2013, 06:20 PM
Horrible. Reds bullpen is gift wrapping the NL central to the Cardinals.

This refrain is getting kind of old. Game after game after game. Yet the Reds are only 2.5 games back.

Chill out. Enjoy a long season in which the Reds have one of the best records in baseball. If it is that upsetting to you, at least try not to ruin it for those that enjoy the success the club is having.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2013, 06:21 PM
It's inexcusable for the manager to leave a relief pitcher in who clearly doesn't have it and is getting hit easily. Ridiculous.

But at the same time, Sam is a guy we simply HAVE to have this season and we've got to get him right. At some point in time you've got to let him pitch his way back into the swing of things, right?

Just one week ago, I don't think there was a single person on this board who didn't think Sam was either the best or second best/reliable arm in the pen.

NebraskaRed
06-13-2013, 06:21 PM
It's inexcusable for the manager to leave a relief pitcher in who clearly doesn't have it and is getting hit easily. Ridiculous.

Just out of curiosity, when would you pull a reliever? After one batter gets a hit? two?

Kc61
06-13-2013, 06:21 PM
Poster (7th inning) Why did he bring Simon in instead of Sam?

Same Poster (8th Inning) Why is Sam in there?

If you mean me, you are exactly correct.

I wanted Sam, Brox, and Chapman.

And in the eighth, when men got on, I wanted Sam out. I didn't want him in the eighth and I didn't want him with men on base. Correct.

CySeymour
06-13-2013, 06:21 PM
How hard were the hits off of Lecure?

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2013, 06:21 PM
The Reds have one quality reliever who can be trusted.

tomnuetten
06-13-2013, 06:22 PM
feels like a sunday game :(

tztzt dusty, always using LeCure in the 8th inning

redsfaninbsg
06-13-2013, 06:22 PM
A bloop hit isn't something you can do much about. It sucks, but when you get a weak pop up, you did your job. The ball just found a spot 120 feet from the plate where no one was.

Game has a funny way of evening out, line drive to left-center the at bat before was caught. Sam sucked, no other way to say it.

edabbs44
06-13-2013, 06:22 PM
It's inexcusable for the manager to leave a relief pitcher in who clearly doesn't have it and is getting hit easily. Ridiculous.

Clearly is very subjective, and I bet if a manager used the clearly rule to take relievers out after a couple of batters, you'd have guys pitching 110 games.

757690
06-13-2013, 06:23 PM
Darwin Barney, who makes Cesar Izturis look like Joey Votto, gets a bloop, excuse me base hit to tie the game, and it's Dusty's fault. Got it. :rolleyes:

edabbs44
06-13-2013, 06:23 PM
But at the same time, Sam is a guy we simply HAVE to have this season and we've got to get him right. At some point in time you've got to let him pitch his way back into the swing of things, right?

Just one week ago, I don't think there was a single person on this board who didn't think Sam was either the best or second best/reliable arm in the pen.

Disagree. Sam isn't really much different, just that he isn't as lucky as he was earlier this year.

dougdirt
06-13-2013, 06:23 PM
Game has a funny way of evening out, line drive to left-center the at bat before was caught. Sam sucked, no other way to say it.

That wasn't a line drive and every center fielder in baseball turns it into an out.

Kingspoint
06-13-2013, 06:24 PM
Darwin Barney, who makes Cesar Izturis look like Joey Votto, gets a bloop, excuse me base hit to tie the game, and it's Dusty's fault. Got it. :rolleyes:
You have that backwards. Cesar Izturis makes Darwin Barney look like Joey Votto.

foxfire123
06-13-2013, 06:24 PM
Just got home to a tie game. could be worse. :)

What is up with Sam LeCure tho, he was great, then all of a sudden it was like he fell off the cliff. Is he hurt and trying to hide it? what?

Kc61
06-13-2013, 06:24 PM
Lecure's fastball today had nothing to it.

Whoa - Chapman throwing. It's Brox who seems unavailable.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2013, 06:24 PM
Disagree. Sam isn't really much different, just that he isn't as lucky as he was earlier this year.

Sam has been about as reliable as it gets the past 2 years. Outside of this week...it's a rarity for him to have a poor outing.

Trajinous
06-13-2013, 06:24 PM
WHY CAN'T CHAPMAN COME IN AFTER LECURE PUTS ON TWO!?!?!?!??.............so frustrating.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 06:25 PM
The issue for me isn't which reliever he brings in. My problem is that when that reliever gets into trouble, clearly doesn't have it, is giving up hits galore.........and nobody is warming up in the bullpen.

dougdirt
06-13-2013, 06:25 PM
Darwin Barney, who makes Cesar Izturis look like Joey Votto, gets a bloop, excuse me base hit to tie the game, and it's Dusty's fault. Got it. :rolleyes:

I thought it was LeCures fault? Screw it, I am blaming the Cardinals. It is their fault.

redsfaninbsg
06-13-2013, 06:25 PM
That wasn't a line drive and every center fielder in baseball turns it into an out.

If you think Sam was "unlucky" in that inning, great, I don't.

dougdirt
06-13-2013, 06:25 PM
WHY CAN'T CHAPMAN COME IN AFTER LECURE PUTS ON TWO!?!?!?!??.............so frustrating.

Because he wasn't warmed up.

Mutaman
06-13-2013, 06:25 PM
If you mean me, you are exactly correct.

I wanted Sam, Brox, and Chapman.

And in the eighth, when men got on, I wanted Sam out. I didn't want him in the eighth and I didn't want him with men on base. Correct.

Didn't mean you. meant all those who were ready to put Sam in the HOF the last month or two. Obviously he is not 100 % which explains why they've been using him the way they have and explains the results he's been producing. Last three efforts have cost us wins. Can't use him again until he's healthy.

dougdirt
06-13-2013, 06:26 PM
If you think Sam was "unlucky" in that inning, great, I don't.

I didn't say that. I do think he was unlucky on the Darwin Barney hit.

Kingspoint
06-13-2013, 06:26 PM
Baker said that he doesn't believe in his Relievers going two innings, and that it leads to injuries. He said that's why Broxton was injured in LA. He doesn't want to do it with Chapman or any of his other Relievers. Philosophy.

Mutaman
06-13-2013, 06:27 PM
Sam has been about as reliable as it gets the past 2 years. Outside of this week...it's a rarity for him to have a poor outing.

Well if memory serves me he has now had 3 absolutely miserable outings in a row and they have all cost us wins.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 06:27 PM
Just got home to a tie game. could be worse. :)

What is up with Sam LeCure tho, he was great, then all of a sudden it was like he fell off the cliff. Is he hurt and trying to hide it? what?

Sam is throwing too many fastballs.

When he's going good, he has an outstanding changeup and a few balls that break different ways. For some reason he lately feels the need to try and get people out with his blazing 88 mph fastball.

Makes no sense.

Trajinous
06-13-2013, 06:27 PM
Because he wasn't warmed up.

He should be. LeCure has been shaky lately. Dusty should have Chapman warming up anyway since he'll pitch the 9th and in case LeCure gets in trouble. Matheny would have had their closer pitch in the 8th.

New York Red
06-13-2013, 06:28 PM
It's inexcusable for the manager to leave a relief pitcher in who clearly doesn't have it and is getting hit easily. Ridiculous.
The problem isn't that he brought Lecure in. The problem is he brought him in and didn't have anyone else warming up in case Lecure got in trouble. This has happened several times in close games in the 7th or 8th innings just in the past couple weeks. How anyone can defend that, I have no idea.

Kingspoint
06-13-2013, 06:29 PM
Votto's OPS in the .600's since June 1st. Haven't seen him like this before.

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 06:29 PM
WHY CAN'T CHAPMAN COME IN AFTER LECURE PUTS ON TWO!?!?!?!??.............so frustrating.

He could if they had him warming up. But it's only a 1-run ballgame with multiple men on base and 1 out, so what's the urgency? :confused:

RedlegJake
06-13-2013, 06:30 PM
I knew a " how much better the Cards are" reference was coming...knew it...

redsfaninbsg
06-13-2013, 06:30 PM
Anybody got any idea what is wrong with Broxton?

Vottomatic
06-13-2013, 06:30 PM
The problem isn't that he brought Lecure in. The problem is he brought him in and didn't have anyone else warming up in case Lecure got in trouble. This has happened several times in close games in the 7th or 8th innings just in the past couple weeks. How anyone can defend that, I have no idea.

Prepare to duck. It's defended all the time on here.

Well said, by the way.

Kc61
06-13-2013, 06:30 PM
On the road, Chapman won't pitch the tie. He'll be kept ready for the "save."

Which means JJ Hoover pitches. He's been very good coming into tie games. LOL.