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Tom Servo
07-03-2013, 04:27 PM
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NebraskaRed
07-03-2013, 04:35 PM
Heisey getting a start! Let's just hope he doesn't attempt a no-hitter of his own.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 04:46 PM
Heisey getting a start! Let's just hope he doesn't attempt a no-hitter of his own.

Yeah, this lineup is interesting because Heisey plays v. the lefty Zito rather than DRob. Also Mes is catching Cingrani, which is interesting.

I expected Hanigan to catch Cingrani tonight with Mes catching Leake tomorrow in the day game. Could imply more work for Mes overall, but hard to tell.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 04:46 PM
I know that Johnny Vander Meer is the only Major League pitcher to throw no-hitters in two consecutive starts. Just out of curiosity, though, has there ever been an instance where a no-hitter was followed by another the very next day by a different pitcher from the same team?

Kc61
07-03-2013, 04:50 PM
I know that Johnny Vander Meer is the only Major League pitcher to throw no-hitters in two consecutive starts. Just out of curiosity, though, has there ever been an instance where a no-hitter was followed by another the very next day by a different pitcher from the same team?

I don't know, but Jim Maloney no-hit the Astros in 1969 and the next night Astro Don Wilson returned the favor against the Reds with a no-hitter of his own.

Let's hope THAT doesn't repeat.

texasdave
07-03-2013, 04:51 PM
I know that Johnny Vander Meer is the only Major League pitcher to throw no-hitters in two consecutive starts. Just out of curiosity, though, has there ever been an instance where a no-hitter was followed by another the very next day by a different pitcher from the same team?

Jim Maloney of the Reds threw a no-hitter against the Astros and the very next game Don Wilson of the Astros no-hit the Reds. I remember that from back in the day.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 04:57 PM
Jim Maloney of the Reds threw a no-hitter against the Astros and the very next game Don Wilson of the Astros no-hit the Reds. I remember that from back in the day.

Beat you by one minute, LOL.

And this happened once before, Gaylord Perry and Ray Washburn, each no-hit the other's team in 1968. Just like the Maloney-Wilson thing, "revenge" no hitters in consecutive games.

Never has the same team pitched two no-hitters in consecutive games. There were two no-hitters pitched on consecutive DAYS in 1917 by the same team, but there was a game in-between (doubleheader).

texasdave
07-03-2013, 04:57 PM
The pitcher who, IMO, came closest to equaling Vander Meer's record of back-to-back no-hitters was Dave Stieb. And Stieb never threw a no-hitter. How is that possible? Stieb, in consecutive starts threw one-hitters. And each time he was just one strike away from a no-no.

http://www.bluejayhunter.com/2012/06/flashback-friday-dave-stiebs-back-to.html

NebraskaRed
07-03-2013, 04:59 PM
I know that Johnny Vander Meer is the only Major League pitcher to throw no-hitters in two consecutive starts. Just out of curiosity, though, has there ever been an instance where a no-hitter was followed by another the very next day by a different pitcher from the same team?

May 5th, 1917 - Ernie Koob of the St Louis Browns pitches a no-hitter against the White Sox. May 6th, his teammate Eddie Cicotte did the same thing to the same team.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 05:00 PM
May 5th, 1917 - Ernie Koob of the St Louis Browns pitches a no-hitter against the White Sox. May 6th, his teammate Eddie Cicotte did the same thing to the same team.

As I posted, this was not back to back games. The second no-hitter was game two of a double header. There was a game in-between.

NebraskaRed
07-03-2013, 05:03 PM
As I posted, this was not back to back games. The second no-hitter was game two of a double header. There was a game in-between.

Darn those technicalities

Kc61
07-03-2013, 05:04 PM
The Wikipedia page on no-hitters is very interesting, has some great stuff.

Bumpus Jones, a Reds pitcher, threw a no-hitter in his first game. It was 1892.

He finished his career with a 2-4 record.

texasdave
07-03-2013, 05:07 PM
Beat you by one minute, LOL.

And this happened once before, Gaylord Perry and Ray Washburn, each no-hit the other's team in 1968. Just like the Maloney-Wilson thing, "revenge" no hitters in consecutive games.

Never has the same team pitched two no-hitters in consecutive games. There were two no-hitters pitched on consecutive DAYS in 1917 by the same team, but there was a game in-between (doubleheader).

:beerme:

NebraskaRed
07-03-2013, 05:07 PM
The Wikipedia page on no-hitters is very interesting, has some great stuff.

Bumpus Jones, a Reds pitcher, threw a no-hitter in his first game. It was 1892.

He finished his career with a 2-4 record.

Someone might have written a player profile on him and posted it to the ORG just this morning....

texasdave
07-03-2013, 05:17 PM
For back-to-back-to-back games it would be hard to beat what the Astros accomplished in 1986.

Jim DeShaies two-hit the Dodgers in a 4-0 win. He walked one and struck out 10.
Nolan Ryan one-hit the Giants in a 6-0 win. He walked three and struck out 12.
Mike Scott then no-hit the Giants in a 2-0 win. He walked two and struck out 13.
One note: Ryan only went 8 innings. Charlie Kerfield pitched the ninth, giving up a hit and a walk but no runs.

In that three-game stretch, Astros' pitchers gave up 4 hits, no runs, six walks, while striking out 35. Yikes!

Ironman92
07-03-2013, 05:18 PM
I rarely miss a game on tv....

During Homer's 1st no no I was at a high school football game and found Marty on my MLB Ap to listen to the last 3 outs.

Yesterday I had to manage the ball fields until about 10:00 so I DVR'd it....as I'm shutting off the lights one of the last people there tells "Homer threw another no hitter".....(thanks for the spoil)......so I get home and start watching it on replay and the stupid DVR froze in the 6th inning and I had to see what they desired to show on the highlights.

I'm not lucky.

kaldaniels
07-03-2013, 05:19 PM
Looking back the 2 hits Arroyo gave up Monday loom large. :D

Refresh my memory were they solid hits?

kaldaniels
07-03-2013, 05:21 PM
For back-to-back-to-back games it would be hard to beat what the Astros accomplished in 1986.

Jim DeShaies two-hit the Dodgers in a 4-0 win. He walked one and struck out 10.
Nolan Ryan one-hit the Giants in a 6-0 win. He walked three and struck out 12.
Mike Scott then no-hit the Giants in a 2-0 win. He walked two and struck out 13.
One note: Ryan only went 8 innings. Charlie Kerfield pitched the ninth, giving up a hit and a walk but no runs.

In that three-game stretch, Astros' pitchers gave up 4 hits, no runs, six walks, while striking out 35. Yikes!

The Reds are at 2 hits in 2 games heading into tonight. Hopefully Tony makes it interesting.

texasdave
07-03-2013, 05:21 PM
Looking back the 2 hits Arroyo gave up Monday loom large. :D

Refresh my memory were they solid hits?

One left the yard. Brandon Belt, I believe.

kaldaniels
07-03-2013, 05:29 PM
One left the yard. Brandon Belt, I believe.

D'oh.

I suppose that one counts.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 05:29 PM
Someone might have written a player profile on him and posted it to the ORG just this morning....

Well, I didn't see it, but I'm mighty glad that Bumpus is finally getting his due.

Go Reds.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 05:36 PM
I rarely miss a game on tv....

During Homer's 1st no no I was at a high school football game and found Marty on my MLB Ap to listen to the last 3 outs.

Yesterday I had to manage the ball fields until about 10:00 so I DVR'd it....as I'm shutting off the lights one of the last people there tells "Homer threw another no hitter".....(thanks for the spoil)......so I get home and start watching it on replay and the stupid DVR froze in the 6th inning and I had to see what they desired to show on the highlights.

I'm not lucky.

Well, I can recap. Homer threw a no hitter. The game was on the MLB Network. Homer gave a couple of interviews. He used a curse word in one of them. He made a comment that pitching isn't as easy as the guys upstairs (announcers) suggest. This was taken as an attack on certain Reds announcers, although I think it's probably a common feeling among MLB players.

Then some people thought that the Reds radio announcer hasn't been nice to Homer and Homer apparently didn't do a post-game interview with Reds Radio so that led to an extremely long thread on RedsZone today which I merely skimmed because, you know, who cares.

Meanwhile, Homer apparently got a lot of texts from guys like Roger Clemens and answered every one of them and didn't watch the replay of the no-hitter because he actually was there.

And tonight, Cingrani is pitching and the most important thing is that the Reds continue to win and pick up ground on the Pirates and Cards.

By the way, the last six pitchers to pitch two no-hitters, other than Homer, were Verlander, Halladay, Buerhle, Nomo, Ryan, R. Johnson. I just saw it on MLB Network, which is about to talk to Todd Frazier about the last out, Todd made the final play of the no-hitter, in an interview upcoming.

You are now up to date. LOL.

Ironman92
07-03-2013, 05:43 PM
Well, I can recap. Homer threw a no hitter. The game was on the MLB Network. Homer gave a couple of interviews. He used a curse word in one of them. He made a comment that pitching isn't as easy as the guys upstairs (announcers) suggest. This was taken as an attack on certain Reds announcers, although I think it's probably a common feeling among MLB players.

Then some people thought that the Reds radio announcer hasn't been nice to Homer and Homer apparently didn't do a post-game interview with Reds Radio so that led to an extremely long thread on RedsZone today which I merely skimmed because, you know, who cares.

Meanwhile, Homer apparently got a lot of texts from guys like Roger Clemens and answered every one of them and didn't watch the replay of the no-hitter because he actually was there.

And tonight, Cingrani is pitching and the most important thing is that the Reds continue to win and pick up ground on the Pirates and Cards.

By the way, the last six pitchers to pitch two no-hitters, other than Homer, were Verlander, Halladay, Buerhle, Nomo, Ryan, R. Johnson. I just saw it on MLB Network, which is about to talk to Todd Frazier about the last out, Todd made the final play of the no-hitter, in an interview upcoming.

You are now up to date. LOL.

tl;dr

Red Raindog
07-03-2013, 07:06 PM
I don't know, but Jim Maloney no-hit the Astros in 1969 and the next night Astro Don Wilson returned the favor against the Reds with a no-hitter of his own.

Let's hope THAT doesn't repeat.

And I remember that --- Maloney was my favorite pitcher

New York Red
07-03-2013, 07:08 PM
I rarely miss a game on tv....

During Homer's 1st no no I was at a high school football game and found Marty on my MLB Ap to listen to the last 3 outs.

Yesterday I had to manage the ball fields until about 10:00 so I DVR'd it....as I'm shutting off the lights one of the last people there tells "Homer threw another no hitter".....(thanks for the spoil)......so I get home and start watching it on replay and the stupid DVR froze in the 6th inning and I had to see what they desired to show on the highlights.

I'm not lucky.
FSO usually replays the previous night's game the following morning. I don't know if they do this with every game, but it happens quite often. Obviously it won't help with last night's game, but it may help if you have to miss games in the future.

Blitz Dorsey
07-03-2013, 07:11 PM
"Chef" Rob LaFond creeps me out. That is one weird dude.

JTM having a "chef" in full gear is completely hilarious. JTM stands for "Joints Tendons and Muscles" for those who didn't know or haven't tasted their food. (Kidding, that's not really what it stands for. It should, though. It really should.)

"Let's create great dishes together!"

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 07:12 PM
FSO usually replays the previous night's game the following morning. I don't know if they do this with every game, but it happens quite often. Obviously it won't help with last night's game, but it may help if you have to miss games in the future.
Yeah, that's what I did, I recorded their rebroadcast. It's 2 hours long-- obviously they have to edit out a portion of the game, but generally still get the major parts like the beginning and the inning and any scoring plays. Sorry you had to miss it.

Blitz Dorsey
07-03-2013, 07:13 PM
26 to go.

Blitz Dorsey
07-03-2013, 07:14 PM
No-no broken up with bloop double. Damn.

Blitz Dorsey
07-03-2013, 07:17 PM
Cingrani is getting big-time squeezed. It better be the same for both teams.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 07:19 PM
Liner to Cozart. Now two out.

New York Red
07-03-2013, 07:22 PM
Good grief, this home plate ump needs an energy drink.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 07:22 PM
Strikeout, chasing! And Cingrani gets out of the inning. Giants strand two.

Kiko
07-03-2013, 07:26 PM
Giants haven't won a road game that Zito has started...let's keep that streak going tonight!

BluegrassRedleg
07-03-2013, 07:27 PM
The hex is on. Anytime Thom talks about a guy struggling royally or the Reds owning somebody, prepare for a bumpy road. Zito will dominate.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 07:29 PM
Votto in with a stand-up double.

Red in Chicago
07-03-2013, 07:30 PM
good thing that was bobbled, cuz votto would have been chopped liver at second- imo

Australian Red
07-03-2013, 07:30 PM
Morning All

Stray
07-03-2013, 07:31 PM
Can't hit the ball much harder than that

Kc61
07-03-2013, 07:35 PM
Strikeout on two good curves by Cingrani.

Aren't those the fabled "secondary pitches?"

Now a single for Torres. One on, one out, second inning.

Two outs on fly to Choo.

Pitcher out, end of inning.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 07:40 PM
Little tapper there, and that's the end of the first half of the second. No score.

BluegrassRedleg
07-03-2013, 07:41 PM
Morning All

Ha. Nothing like a little baseball for breakfest, eh? :beerme:

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 07:46 PM
Bruce is on after being hit by a pitch.

WebScorpion
07-03-2013, 07:46 PM
Bruce is on after being hit by a pitch.
Hit in the back by a 70mph blooper pitch. lol :lol:

Tom Servo
07-03-2013, 07:47 PM
That bobblehead doesn't look like Frazier at all.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 07:49 PM
Base hit up the middle for Frazier; 1st and 3rd now.

BluegrassRedleg
07-03-2013, 07:49 PM
OK, so maybe Zito won't exactly "dominate." :redface:

DocRed
07-03-2013, 07:50 PM
Another ump that sucks...

Kiko
07-03-2013, 07:51 PM
RedZone's favorite son is up with two on and no outs.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 07:51 PM
RedZone's favorite son is up with two on and no outs.

Chris is due.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 07:51 PM
Ouch. Great whack there, but foul.


Ends up with a sac fly instead.

Tom Servo
07-03-2013, 07:52 PM
Heisey woulda had a HR if that straightened out

Kc61
07-03-2013, 07:52 PM
Nice sac fly, really a liner, by Heisey.

Kiko
07-03-2013, 07:53 PM
good job Heisey...hit it hard but right at CF.

Stray
07-03-2013, 07:53 PM
We're hitting rockets off zito so far

WebScorpion
07-03-2013, 07:54 PM
OK, so maybe Zito won't exactly "dominate." :redface:I would think Zito would be more successful if he didn't follow Lincecum in their rotation. They both throw tons of off-speed stuff, so although they throw with opposite arms the hitting stategy and timing against them is similar. :dunno:

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 07:56 PM
Nice smack up the third base line there, knocked down, but Mesoraco has a hit. Now 1st and 2nd with one out.

Stray
07-03-2013, 07:56 PM
Another hard hit ball. Zito isn't fooling anyone

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 07:57 PM
Ouch. Failed bunt there; some good defense there, gotta say.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 07:57 PM
Too bad Heisey's sac was hit right at the outfielder. Could be a big inning. Not blaming Heisey.

Now a bunt but runner cut down at third on close play.

First and second, two down.

DocRed
07-03-2013, 07:57 PM
I'm so glad Zito is not on our team...I would be pulling my hair out if I knew we were paying this guy $20 million.

RedLegsToday
07-03-2013, 07:59 PM
why does this team bunt? They're terrible at it.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 07:59 PM
I'm so glad Zito is not on our team...I would be pulling my hair out if I knew we were paying this guy $20 million.

Giants have done ok with him. That's all that counts.

C'mon Choo.

Tom Servo
07-03-2013, 07:59 PM
why does this team bunt? They're terrible at it.
So Cingrani should have swung away and hit into a double play, or just struck out?

WebScorpion
07-03-2013, 08:00 PM
why does this team bunt? They're terrible at it.That was actually a good bunt...Zito made a great play on it. But you're right, they're usually not very good bunters.

Stray
07-03-2013, 08:00 PM
Nice play. We're gonna get a big inning soon tho

Kiko
07-03-2013, 08:00 PM
Two good defensive plays by the Giants and Zito get's out of the inning with only 1 run.

BluegrassRedleg
07-03-2013, 08:03 PM
That stat they just showed is awesome and depressing at the same time: Reds have won 9 of last 10 regular season games at GABP against the Giants.

Just ... needed... one... in... October. :(

cbowen2112
07-03-2013, 08:06 PM
Throw strikes!

thatcoolguy_22
07-03-2013, 08:07 PM
Morning All

joheun achim! 9 am over here.

DocRed
07-03-2013, 08:08 PM
Giants have done ok with him. That's all that counts.

C'mon Choo.

somewhere around a 4.5-4.7 ERA and 62-75 over 7 years for at about $18 million a year...I bet Giants fans feel otherwise. ;)

cbowen2112
07-03-2013, 08:09 PM
Ump is also not helping with the whole throw strikes thing!!!!

cbowen2112
07-03-2013, 08:10 PM
Every pitch of the Posey AB could have been called a strike!!!!

DocRed
07-03-2013, 08:10 PM
This ump is walking joke.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 08:11 PM
Okay, interesting call there, but that's inning over.

Tom Servo
07-03-2013, 08:11 PM
BP's a genius.

DocRed
07-03-2013, 08:11 PM
WOW what?

Stray
07-03-2013, 08:12 PM
Wait, what?

Gizmo
07-03-2013, 08:13 PM
Infield fly, batter out, tag of runner from first who wasn't forced for DP.

RedsBrick
07-03-2013, 08:13 PM
Blue's got different zones for each pitcher, AB and situation it appears.

WebScorpion
07-03-2013, 08:13 PM
Infield fly rule called and Brandon drops the ball and throws to second to double off Posey. :eek:

DocRed
07-03-2013, 08:14 PM
Yep now I understand...poor understanding of the rules by the base runner.

BluegrassRedleg
07-03-2013, 08:15 PM
Infield fly rule always struck me as a rule that adds more confusion than it prevents. Might be better off without it?

cbowen2112
07-03-2013, 08:15 PM
Smart play by Brandon!

Australian Red
07-03-2013, 08:15 PM
joheun achim! 9 am over here.

10.15am here stuck at work trying to pretend i'm doing work.

DocRed
07-03-2013, 08:16 PM
Simplified...basically Posey bailed out BP. Or....BP as a poster already indicated is a genius.

Red Raindog
07-03-2013, 08:16 PM
Yep now I understand...poor understanding of the rules by the base runner.

where was his 1B coach?

DocRed
07-03-2013, 08:16 PM
Infield fly rule always struck me as a rule that adds more confusion than it prevents. Might be better off without it?

No way...DP's would be rampant then.

Tom Servo
07-03-2013, 08:17 PM
not sure how Cozart missed that

Red Raindog
07-03-2013, 08:17 PM
Simplified...basically Posey bailed out BP. Or....BP as a poster already indicated is a genius.

Batter was out no matter what so I don't see how BP needed to be bailed out.

gilpdawg
07-03-2013, 08:17 PM
Nice sac fly, really a liner, by Heisey.

Was he trying to hit a sac fly?:D

Red Raindog
07-03-2013, 08:18 PM
not sure how Cozart missed that

He must have been given the anti ball bat

WebScorpion
07-03-2013, 08:18 PM
About time for a Votto homer... :thumbup:

DocRed
07-03-2013, 08:20 PM
Batter was out no matter what so I don't see how BP needed to be bailed out.

2 outs vs 1 out....that's the bailout.

cbowen2112
07-03-2013, 08:21 PM
Cingrani needs to get all of these outside pitches called too!

BakoTheTako
07-03-2013, 08:21 PM
2 outs vs 1 out....that's the bailout.

Nope. 2 outs with runners on 1st and 2nd vs. 2 outs with runners on 1st and 3rd.

Tom Servo
07-03-2013, 08:21 PM
2 outs vs 1 out....that's the bailout.
BP knew what he was doing, don't know what you are going on about.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 08:22 PM
I'm pretty sure Jekyll was the bad one.

Oops, I was wrong. Actually, thinking about yeah, it was Dr. Jekyll who created Mr. Hyde, the bad one.

WebScorpion
07-03-2013, 08:22 PM
Brandon watches ball 5 to take the walk. :p

nate
07-03-2013, 08:24 PM
Chat is open!

cbowen2112
07-03-2013, 08:24 PM
82 mph fastball? really?

BluegrassRedleg
07-03-2013, 08:24 PM
No way...DP's would be rampant then.

Yeah. Suppose it could get chaotic.

mbgrayson
07-03-2013, 08:26 PM
After 3 innings, Reds 1, Giants 0.

Cingrani at 55 pitches, 28 strikes.
Zito at 64 pitches, 41 strikes.

WebScorpion
07-03-2013, 08:26 PM
82 mph fastball? really?He can get it up to 84 when he's on... :evil:

cbowen2112
07-03-2013, 08:26 PM
How are they not picking up Zito's pitches? 82 mph fastball and 71 mph curve is not that big of a mph difference.

Kiko
07-03-2013, 08:28 PM
This is going to be a 4+ hr. game easy.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 08:30 PM
Sandoval out on strikes.

Tom Servo
07-03-2013, 08:33 PM
There's something about Cingrani's mound presence that's hard to describe; I just think he's going to only get better over time.

mbgrayson
07-03-2013, 08:34 PM
Tony has settled down. Through 4 innings, 5 Ks, 68 pitches, 37 strikes, 0 runs. Now mixing in some nice breaking pitches.

Kiko
07-03-2013, 08:35 PM
Nice quick 1-2-3 inning from Cingrani. Frazier, Heisey and Mez due up. I predict the Reds score here.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 08:40 PM
Mesoraco keeps the inning going with a single there.


Oh, Mes. Why did you keep running?

Tom Servo
07-03-2013, 08:43 PM
Well that could have gone better, bad baserunning by Mes.

BluegrassRedleg
07-03-2013, 08:43 PM
Geez, Louise.

DocRed
07-03-2013, 08:43 PM
Another BAD call by Speir.....what else is new??

Red Raindog
07-03-2013, 08:43 PM
Well that could have gone better, bad baserunning by Mes.

yeppers

mbgrayson
07-03-2013, 08:44 PM
Nice quick 1-2-3 inning from Cingrani. Frazier, Heisey and Mez due up. I predict the Reds score here.

Reds out without scoring. Frazier Ks, Heisey flies out to deep RC, Mes singles to LC, and Cingrani singles but Mes gets caught trying to score.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 08:44 PM
Another BAD call by Speir.....what else is new??
Looked/sounded to me like that one was on Mesoraco.

gilpdawg
07-03-2013, 08:44 PM
Did he run through the stop or did he send him?

Kiko
07-03-2013, 08:45 PM
well, no more predictions from me but Mez ran through the stop sign. Could have been a nice inning with the top of the order up.

BluegrassRedleg
07-03-2013, 08:45 PM
Another BAD call by Speir.....what else is new??

Sure feels like the Reds have an unusually high number of questionable third-to-home baserunning issues over the years, but maybe that's just from watching all our games.

scott91575
07-03-2013, 08:46 PM
Looked/sounded to me like that one was on Mesoraco.

it was.

Cooper
07-03-2013, 08:47 PM
that was on MEZ.

gilpdawg
07-03-2013, 08:47 PM
I can't really hear the announcers because I'm sitting on my porch watching on my tablet, but I can only imagine Thom's reaction to that play.

New York Red
07-03-2013, 08:48 PM
Did he run through the stop or did he send him?
It looked like Speier sent him, then changed his mind when it was too late. This makes a half dozen or so plays this year in which Speier has been unsure of what to signal. It can't be that difficult.

New York Red
07-03-2013, 08:49 PM
I can't really hear the announcers because I'm sitting on my porch watching on my tablet, but I can only imagine Thom's reaction to that play.
He reacted about like you'd expect, and I don't blame him.

Kiko
07-03-2013, 08:49 PM
Speirer needs to be more animated than that. He should have been down the line holding both hands up. He just stuck his hand out like he was saying hi.

Tom Servo
07-03-2013, 08:50 PM
I can't really hear the announcers because I'm sitting on my porch watching on my tablet, but I can only imagine Thom's reaction to that play.
Surprisingly reserved.

New York Red
07-03-2013, 08:51 PM
Speirer needs to be more animated than that. He should have been down the line holding both hands up. He just stuck his hand out like he was saying hi.
And that was after he initially waved him around.

RedEye
07-03-2013, 08:52 PM
It looked like Speier sent him, then changed his mind when it was too late. This makes a half dozen or so plays this year in which Speier has been unsure of what to signal. It can't be that difficult.

It may be difficult .. but he is a major league third base coach, so it should be his stock and trade.

DocRed
07-03-2013, 08:52 PM
Speier should have sent him all the way with 2 outs....

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 08:53 PM
Shoot. Two run blast, and there goes the lead.

Tom Servo
07-03-2013, 08:53 PM
damnit, freakin tony abreu

Billy_Bearcat
07-03-2013, 08:53 PM
Sorry, late to the party. Who is calling the game with Marty tonight? Is it Creeper with a cold? Whoever it is is terrible.

RedsBrick
07-03-2013, 08:55 PM
2 runs is not going to win this game.

New York Red
07-03-2013, 08:59 PM
2 runs is not going to win this game.
Maybe not, but 2 runs were enough to win the first two games of this series.

RedEye
07-03-2013, 09:00 PM
Zito is very hittable. They can do this.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 09:00 PM
Choo very lucky to be safe there.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 09:01 PM
LOL, the Reds have a good number on the Fangraphs UBR, ulitimate base running, stat.

At least until tonight.

First and third, nice hit for Cozart.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 09:01 PM
Wow. Zito is getting pulled here with Reds runners on 1st and 3rd and Votto at bat.

RedsBrick
07-03-2013, 09:01 PM
Maybe not, but 2 runs were enough to win the first two games of this series.

Not by the Giants...

Billy_Bearcat
07-03-2013, 09:02 PM
Wow! I guess you can't question Bochy's World Series rings.

Australian Red
07-03-2013, 09:03 PM
Time to get those runs back here

Kiko
07-03-2013, 09:03 PM
I think this is the right move by Bochy. Zito has been getting away with some hard hit balls and now Votto up with two on and no outs.

RedEye
07-03-2013, 09:03 PM
Wow. Zito is getting pulled here with Reds runners on 1st and 3rd and Votto at bat.

He's got nothing. I think Bochy has been burned before leaving him in too long.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 09:03 PM
Issue in this game is how long Cingrani can go. He hasn't started a game in weeks.

Would hate to open the floodgates because Dusty expects too much of Tony. And I don't care about pitch count in this spot.

Zito out. Let's get at least the tying run home, and hopefully more.

Tough on that Mesoraco play. I don't know whose fault it was, but Mes looked mighty unsure of what to do.

NebraskaRed
07-03-2013, 09:03 PM
I haven't been able to watch any of the game. Other than that 2-run homer, has Cingrani looked pretty good?

RedEye
07-03-2013, 09:04 PM
I haven't been able to watch any of the game. Other than that 2-run homer, has Cingrani looked pretty good?

Too many pitches, but he was actually looking a lot better ... till the HR.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 09:04 PM
I haven't been able to watch any of the game. Other than that 2-run homer, has Cingrani looked pretty good?

He looked good, yes. And is still in the game.

BluegrassRedleg
07-03-2013, 09:05 PM
Summoning old Riverfront "Clap your hands, Stomp your feet" scoreboard graphic...

New York Red
07-03-2013, 09:05 PM
Not by the Giants...
I know, I was just referring to the fact these two teams have really struggled offensively the last couple weeks. Hopefully the good start to this inning leads to a crooked number for the Reds.

DocRed
07-03-2013, 09:07 PM
Votto ***** again with RISP....so what else is new?

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 09:07 PM
Eek. Votto strikes out swinging. And, as expected, the Giants will make another pitching change.

Stray
07-03-2013, 09:08 PM
hmm

Billy_Bearcat
07-03-2013, 09:09 PM
Bochy is a smart man

DocRed
07-03-2013, 09:10 PM
NOT MVP-like..

scott91575
07-03-2013, 09:10 PM
Bochy is a smart man

it doesn't take a smart man to realize Zito is not very good and should be taken out of a game as soon as possible.

scott91575
07-03-2013, 09:11 PM
Hopefully he doesn't hit into a Phillips.

osuredleg24
07-03-2013, 09:11 PM
BP just tried to hit that into the river

Tom Servo
07-03-2013, 09:13 PM
And heeeeeere's Thom being obnoxious, once again opining about how easy it is to play baseball.

cincrazy
07-03-2013, 09:14 PM
it doesn't take a smart man to realize Zito is not very good and should be taken out of a game as soon as possible.

But the majority of MLB managers probably leave him in there to get a "win." Zito is a veteran and probably was ticked to be lifted, but Bochy doesn't care. He's trying to win the game, not play to someone's ego.

scott91575
07-03-2013, 09:14 PM
And heeeeeere's Thom being obnoxious, once again opining about how easy it is to play baseball.

I thought Homer made it clear last night this game is not easy (in much more colorful words).

nate
07-03-2013, 09:14 PM
Votto ***** again with RISP....so what else is new?

You tell me:



Split PA BA OBP SLG OPS
RISP 103 .321 .466 .487 .953
--- 205 .348 .424 .575 .999
Men On 174 .293 .448 .429 .877

Billy_Bearcat
07-03-2013, 09:15 PM
PA-thetic

RedsBrick
07-03-2013, 09:15 PM
wow...

DocRed
07-03-2013, 09:16 PM
You tell me:



Split PA BA OBP SLG OPS
RISP 103 .321 .466 .487 .953
--- 205 .348 .424 .575 .999
Men On 174 .293 .448 .429 .877


Let me clarify....over the last month he has been terrible.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 09:16 PM
I'd love to see one of those patented Bruce blasts here, but I'll gladly settle for a base hit. We just need to score.

Tom Servo
07-03-2013, 09:16 PM
You tell me:



Split PA BA OBP SLG OPS
RISP 103 .321 .466 .487 .953
--- 205 .348 .424 .575 .999
Men On 174 .293 .448 .429 .877

Your fancy numbers have no bearing on Votto bashing, every player should come through in every situation.

kaldaniels
07-03-2013, 09:17 PM
- I wonder if Bruce will get something to hit
- I'm not saying you walk him
- I'm just saying you have a base open

Guess who said that...

Kc61
07-03-2013, 09:17 PM
I'd love to see one of those patented Bruce blasts here, but I'll gladly settle for a base hit. We just need to score.

Bochy is too smart to give Bruce anything to hit here.

Of course pitchers do make mistakes. But I'd expect a walk.

BluegrassRedleg
07-03-2013, 09:18 PM
Same issue rearing its ugly head over and over again.

LawFive
07-03-2013, 09:18 PM
Just caught a bit of the game on WLW. Who is calling tonights game on the radio with Marty?

nate
07-03-2013, 09:19 PM
Let me clarify....over the last month he has been terrible.

This is terrible?



Split PA BA OBP SLG OPS
2013 Totals 379 .325 .435 .513 .948
Last 7 days 22 .368 .409 .421 .830
Last 14 days 47 .350 .426 .550 .976
Last 28 days 102 .330 .412 .523 .934
Last 365days 519 .318 .447 .486 .933

scott91575
07-03-2013, 09:20 PM
Just caught a bit of the game on WLW. Who is calling tonights game on the radio with Marty?

I haven't listened tonight, but I was trying to figure it out last night. It sounded like Chris Welsh with a bad cold.

gilpdawg
07-03-2013, 09:21 PM
I haven't listened tonight, but I was trying to figure it out last night. It sounded like Chris Welsh with a bad cold.

That's who it is.

kaldaniels
07-03-2013, 09:21 PM
This is terrible?



Split PA BA OBP SLG OPS
2013 Totals 379 .325 .435 .513 .948
Last 7 days 22 .368 .409 .421 .830
Last 14 days 47 .350 .426 .550 .976
Last 28 days 102 .330 .412 .523 .934
Last 365days 519 .318 .447 .486 .933


But he looks disinterested...

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 09:21 PM
Wow. Bruce has struck out.

RedLegsToday
07-03-2013, 09:22 PM
But he looks disinterested...

Maybe he needs more fancy coffee.

RedsBrick
07-03-2013, 09:22 PM
I still think it's going to take more than 2 runs to win...

osuredleg24
07-03-2013, 09:22 PM
3 K's with 3, 4, 5 hitters, amazing

Red Raindog
07-03-2013, 09:22 PM
nothing like your 3 - 4 - 5 guys failing to get the run in from 3rd.

ugh

BluegrassRedleg
07-03-2013, 09:23 PM
That just can't happen.

Tom Servo
07-03-2013, 09:23 PM
Good news is, it's only been 5 innings.

Kiko
07-03-2013, 09:24 PM
nothing like your 3 - 4 - 5 guys failing to get the run in from 3rd.

ugh

Yep, I don't think you could do any worse right there.

Stray
07-03-2013, 09:24 PM
That was bad.

gilpdawg
07-03-2013, 09:24 PM
But he looks disinterested...

Not sure if serious.....

RedEye
07-03-2013, 09:25 PM
Votto has definitely not been "terrible" over the last month. He may have been simply "excellent" instead of his normal "superb", but superlatives are the only real descriptors that should be used IMO.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 09:25 PM
Good news is, it's only been 5 innings.

Bad news is we have to watch this offense a few more times tonight.

The bottom of the fourth and fifth there were pretty horrible displays.

kaldaniels
07-03-2013, 09:25 PM
Not sure if serious.....

Not.

RedEye
07-03-2013, 09:26 PM
Bad news is we have to watch this offense a few more times tonight.

The bottom of the fourth and fifth there were pretty horrible displays.

Good news is things can only get better!

Blitz Dorsey
07-03-2013, 09:26 PM
Runners on first and third, no out ... Votto, Phillips and Bruce coming up. And we get zero runs out of it. That's about a 1-in-100 chance to make a WAG.

Just doesn't feel like our night. Course, only down 1 with plenty of time to go (and things did go pretty well for the home team the last 2 nights).

RedEye
07-03-2013, 09:27 PM
How can anyone call Votto disinterested? The guy looks like he's about to bite someone's head off half the time, and the other half he's dropping f-bombs.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 09:27 PM
Good news is things can only get better!

That's for sure.

Reds really have to watch it with Cingrani here. 94 pitches, hasn't started in weeks.

Mutaman
07-03-2013, 09:28 PM
Baker should have bunted.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 09:29 PM
Baker should have bunted.

At some point during Phillips' at bat, I was going to suggest that.

A better idea would have been to hit the ball someplace.

RedEye
07-03-2013, 09:29 PM
That's for sure.

Reds really have to watch it with Cingrani here. 94 pitches, hasn't started in weeks.

Agreed. I know some folks aren't worried by his change of recent roles, but I think Dusty and Price need to be careful here. This fella is really important to the team's chances this year, wherever he ends up pitching.

Blitz Dorsey
07-03-2013, 09:29 PM
Real nice job out of Cingrani tonight. This one is all on the offense (so far). Have to do better than that against a guy like Barry Zito with a 10+ ERA on the road.

Here comes Ondrusek.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 09:31 PM
Cingrani pitched ok tonight. He's a fly ball pitcher, I expect a homer here and there at GABP. Mixed his pitches.

But too many walks.

RedEye
07-03-2013, 09:31 PM
Never thought I'd say this ... but I would rather see Parra than Ondrusek here.

Blitz Dorsey
07-03-2013, 09:31 PM
Cingrani pitched ok tonight. He's a fly ball pitcher, I expect a homer here and there at GABP. Mixed his pitches.

But too many walks.

Was squeezed a lot (Zito getting strikes on the exact same pitches that were called balls for Cingrani) and the bottom line is he still only gave up 2 runs.

Mutaman
07-03-2013, 09:32 PM
At some point during Phillips' at bat, I was going to suggest that.

A better idea would have been to hit the ball someplace.

I know everyone is human, but the failure to put the ball in play with a man on third and less than two outs has always driven me crazy.

BluegrassRedleg
07-03-2013, 09:33 PM
Expecting a screaming line drive somewhere here... Hopefully at someone.

Kiko
07-03-2013, 09:34 PM
Ondrusek needs to do his job here and get the guy out

Kc61
07-03-2013, 09:34 PM
Was squeezed a lot and the bottom line is he only gave up 2 runs.

So far, yes.

But Cingrani is the type of pitcher who is going to allow long balls and the walks will kill him.

This is one of the keys to Arroyo's success these last two years. Still allows homers, but very often solo variety.

I noticed that at AAA, after Tony was sent back down recently, his walks increased. I attributed it to working on secondary pitches. Bottom line, walks hurt all pitchers but Cingrani at GABP needs to try very hard to avoid them.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 09:37 PM
Pop-up in foul ground ends it.

Blitz Dorsey
07-03-2013, 09:37 PM
Lockdown Logan.

(Right? Of course that nickname will catch on.)

reds44
07-03-2013, 09:37 PM
Never a disappointment to come here after a player fails.

Here's a hint: it won't be the last time the Reds have a man on third with no outs this year and won't score. In fact, every team in baseball will do it time and time again before the season ends.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 09:38 PM
Frazier, Heisey, Mesoraco coming up.

Devin, meet Chris Speier. Chris, meet Devin Mesoraco.

Billy_Bearcat
07-03-2013, 09:38 PM
7 hits, 7 stranded and only 1 run. Gotta make something happen tonight.

reds44
07-03-2013, 09:38 PM
So far, yes.

But Cingrani is the type of pitcher who is going to allow long balls and the walks will kill him.

This is one of the keys to Arroyo's success these last two years. Still allows homers, but very often solo variety.

I noticed that at AAA, after Tony was sent back down recently, his walks increased. I attributed it to working on secondary pitches. Bottom line, walks hurt all pitchers but Cingrani at GABP needs to try very hard to avoid them.
Nothing about Arroyo and Cingrani is comparable.

Blitz Dorsey
07-03-2013, 09:39 PM
So far, yes.

But Cingrani is the type of pitcher who is going to allow long balls and the walks will kill him.

This is one of the keys to Arroyo's success these last two years. Still allows homers, but very often solo variety.

I noticed that at AAA, after Tony was sent back down recently, his walks increased. I attributed it to working on secondary pitches. Bottom line, walks hurt all pitchers but Cingrani at GABP needs to try very hard to avoid them.

Unlike Arroyo, Cingrani misses so many bats that he doesn't give up as many HRs. And as he gets older, I bet he gets better at not giving up quite as many jacks. He might give up 1 a game some outings, but the times he has a multiple HR game (like when Soriano took him deep twice to produce the only runs of the game for the Cubs) will be few and far between.

kaldaniels
07-03-2013, 09:40 PM
Never a disappointment to come here after a player fails.

Here's a hint: it won't be the last time the Reds have a man on third with no outs this year and won't score. In fact, every team in baseball will do it time and time again before the season ends.

You just made several posters mouths' water.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 09:41 PM
Nothing about Arroyo and Cingrani is comparable.

Not so.

Both are susceptible to the home run. Both pitch in a home run stadium.

Arroyo's walk rate is now so low that you hardly notice his homers allowed.

If Cingrani is going to walk four guys in 5 plus innings, one big fly can change a ballgame.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 09:42 PM
Alright Heisey! We are tied up!

BluegrassRedleg
07-03-2013, 09:42 PM
BOOM! Heisey doing yardwork! :beerme:

texasdave
07-03-2013, 09:43 PM
Hi-C!!!

reds44
07-03-2013, 09:43 PM
Not so.

Both are susceptible to the home run. Both pitch in a home run stadium.

Arroyo's walk rate is now so low that you hardly notice his homers allowed.

If Cingrani is going to walk four guys in 5 plus innings, one big fly can change a ballgame.
Cingrani gave up, count em, 11 HRs in his minor league career.

Saying he is susceptible to the HR based off 53 innings doesn't seem to be a very strong conclusion.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 09:44 PM
If I were Bochy, I would remove this pitcher, tell him to go for a stroll, and lock the doors behind him.

The worst pitch I saw this week was an 0-2 pitch to the Mets that allowed them to win an extra inning game. They were trailing.

That pitch to Heisey was second worst.

Mutaman
07-03-2013, 09:44 PM
Never a disappointment to come here after a player fails.

Here's a hint: it won't be the last time the Reds have a man on third with no outs this year and won't score. In fact, every team in baseball will do it time and time again before the season ends.


Who cares what "every team in baseball does". How often do you see the 3-4-5 hitters strike out in that situation against pedestrian pitchers? To give them a pass there and say "it happens to everyone" is just pollyanish. It deserves plenty of criticism.

reds44
07-03-2013, 09:45 PM
Who cares what "every team in baseball does". How often do you see the 3-4-5 hitters strike out in that situation against pedestrian pitchers? To give them a pass there and say "it happens to everyone" is just pollyanish. It deserves plenty of criticism.
Probably more often than you think.

It would be great for the Reds to score a run everytime in that situation, but it doesn't happen.

Mutaman
07-03-2013, 09:51 PM
Probably more often than you think.

It would be great for the Reds to score a run everytime in that situation, but it doesn't happen.

Not complaining about not scoring, complaining about not even putting the ball in play. And its not like they were facing Nolan Ryan either. There's a time to excuse failure and a time to complain about it. That was clearly the latter.

Kiko
07-03-2013, 09:51 PM
Hannahan takes one for the team and trots down to first but Choo flies out to end the inning. 2-2 game

Kc61
07-03-2013, 09:53 PM
Cingrani gave up, count em, 11 HRs in his minor league career.

Saying he is susceptible to the HR based off 53 innings doesn't seem to be a very strong conclusion.

Cingrani has the highest fly ball rate and home run rate of any Reds starter this year. (I didn't check Villareal.)

His fly ball rate is 43.6%, next highest is Arroyo at 36.7%.

His homer rate is 1.52 per nine. Next highest is 1.14, Arroyo.

Cingrani's a kid and I don't have all the minor league splits available. But right now he's a fly ball pitcher in a home run stadium and walks can really haunt such a pitcher.

Obviously, his profile can change with experience. We've seen many Reds pitchers learn to avoid fly balls as they gain experience.

reds44
07-03-2013, 09:53 PM
Not complaining about not scoring, complaining about not even putting the ball in play. And its not like they were facing Nolan Ryan either. There's a time to excuse failure and a time to complain about it. That was clearly the latter.
Sure, but it all it does is lead to people saying things like Votto sucks with RISP.

So have fun with that.

kaldaniels
07-03-2013, 09:54 PM
Cingrani has the highest fly ball rate and home run rate of any Reds starter this year. (I didn't check Villareal.)

His fly ball rate is 43.6%, next highest is Arroyo at 36.7%.

His homer rate is 1.52 per nine. Next highest is 1.14, Arroyo.

Cingrani's a kid and I don't have all the minor league splits available. But right now he's a fly ball pitcher in a home run stadium and walks can really haunt such a pitcher.

Obviously, his profile can change with experience. We've seen many Reds pitchers learn to avoid fly balls as they gain experience.

I think it's mandatory to play the small sample size card here.

reds44
07-03-2013, 09:55 PM
Cingrani has the highest fly ball rate and home run rate of any Reds starter this year. (I didn't check Villareal.)

His fly ball rate is 43.6%, next highest is Arroyo at 36.7%.

His homer rate is 1.52 per nine. Next highest is 1.14, Arroyo.

Cingrani's a kid and I don't have all the minor league splits available. But right now he's a fly ball pitcher in a home run stadium and walks can really haunt such a pitcher.

Obviously, his profile can change with experience. We've seen many Reds pitchers learn to avoid fly balls as they gain experience.

Considering he strikes out 6 more guys per 9 and gives up 2 less hits per 9, comparing him to Arroyo makes little sense.

Walks and HRs aren't good for any pitcher. Cingrani can get away with it more than a lot of pitchers because of how many bats he misses.

Short of "they both give up a lot of HRs" there is nothing similar about them.

Brutus
07-03-2013, 10:02 PM
I think it's mandatory to play the small sample size card here.

Especially given the lack of minor league numbers to compare/contrast.

redsfaninbsg
07-03-2013, 10:02 PM
Any thought of bringing LeCure back for a second inning?

scott91575
07-03-2013, 10:02 PM
Any thought of bringing LeCure back for a second inning?

I think that is exactly the thought.

Kiko
07-03-2013, 10:03 PM
LeCure with a good inning there and low pitch count. I think I would leave him in to pitch the 8th since this could go extra innings.

kaldaniels
07-03-2013, 10:03 PM
Any thought of bringing LeCure back for a second inning?

Fine by me.

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 10:05 PM
After that performance, yeah, I'd say leaving him in, yeah, absolutely.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 10:05 PM
Considering he strikes out 6 more guys per 9 and gives up 2 less hits per 9, comparing him to Arroyo makes little sense.

Walks and HRs aren't good for any pitcher. Cingrani can get away with it more than a lot of pitchers because of how many bats he misses.

Short of "they both give up a lot of HRs" there is nothing similar about them.

Let's not evaluate who makes sense.

Obviously, Arroyo and Cingrani are different pitchers. But they are members of a small fraternity of starters who pitch every fifth day at GABP. And have fly ball tendencies.

So they have to learn techniques to cope. Because all the strikeouts in the world won't help you if you allow homers with men on base often enough.

If you study Arroyo, his walk rate is so low that it helps neutralize the homer issue.

Cingrani can learn from this. It's not like pitching in San Diego. And it's not like Mike Leake, who can try to counter walks with double play grounders.

scott91575
07-03-2013, 10:06 PM
Cingrani has the highest fly ball rate and home run rate of any Reds starter this year. (I didn't check Villareal.)

His fly ball rate is 43.6%, next highest is Arroyo at 36.7%.

His homer rate is 1.52 per nine. Next highest is 1.14, Arroyo.

Cingrani's a kid and I don't have all the minor league splits available. But right now he's a fly ball pitcher in a home run stadium and walks can really haunt such a pitcher.

Obviously, his profile can change with experience. We've seen many Reds pitchers learn to avoid fly balls as they gain experience.

His HR/9 in the minors was 0.43. I of course don't have his FB rate.

gilpdawg
07-03-2013, 10:09 PM
Nm

Tony Cloninger
07-03-2013, 10:11 PM
Who cares what "every team in baseball does". How often do you see the 3-4-5 hitters strike out in that situation against pedestrian pitchers? To give them a pass there and say "it happens to everyone" is just pollyanish. It deserves plenty of criticism.

I once saw Foster, Bench and Bailey strike out with the bases loaded by Al Hrabosky in a Monday Night Baseball game with the bases loaded. I was mad then too.

Tony Cloninger
07-03-2013, 10:12 PM
LeCure with a good inning there and low pitch count. I think I would leave him in to pitch the 8th since this could go extra innings.

I agree.

redsfaninbsg
07-03-2013, 10:14 PM
The offense is in the toilet tonight.

toledodan
07-03-2013, 10:14 PM
san fran's pen has to be getting thin

Kc61
07-03-2013, 10:14 PM
His HR/9 in the minors was 0.43. I of course don't have his FB rate.

Three differences.

1. Cingrani didn't play at GABP in the minors.

2. Nobody in the minors could hit him.

3. More major league hitters will be able to hit him.

Two and three are really the same point. So there really wasn't a problem down there and it really isn't comparable.

texasdave
07-03-2013, 10:14 PM
The offense is in the toilet tonight.

So far. But I am thinking they will end up 'flush' with success. :)

ProfessorTofty
07-03-2013, 10:15 PM
Not sticking with Lecure. Alfredo Simon in.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 10:18 PM
Simon struck out Buster Posey. Maybe Simon should have pitched Game 5 in the playoffs.

Pence up.

Almost hit it out, but Heisey makes a nice catch.

Brantley says Giants are thinking home run.

osuredleg24
07-03-2013, 10:18 PM
wow thought that was gone

50YrRedsFan
07-03-2013, 10:19 PM
The offense is in the toilet tonight.

Tonight?

Tony Cloninger
07-03-2013, 10:20 PM
Tonight?

:laugh:

osuredleg24
07-03-2013, 10:21 PM
smh

Stray
07-03-2013, 10:21 PM
I can't believe he swung at that.

scott91575
07-03-2013, 10:21 PM
Three differences.

1. Cingrani didn't play at GABP in the minors.

2. Nobody in the minors could hit him.

3. More major league hitters will be able to hit him.

Two and three are really the same point. So there really wasn't a problem down there and it really isn't comparable.

Just responding with facts after you mentioned you didn't have minor league numbers. I made no conclusions. Your response should just be "minor league numbers don't mean anything." Which is strange considering you are the one who mentioned minor league numbers. Sorry they did not agree with you.

BTW...Cingrani's K rate is only 1 less per 9 innings in the majors vs. the minors.

Kc61
07-03-2013, 10:22 PM
Sandoval safe after striking out. Ball in the dirt that was a tough play for Mes, but he didn't (or couldn't) block it.

Two outs, top eight. Simon facing Belt.

texasdave
07-03-2013, 10:22 PM
He swung at a pitch behind him. Ok, not quite. But close to it.