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NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 11:29 AM
Reds:

Choo
Cozart
Votto
Phillips
Bruce
Frazier
Heisey
Hanigan
Arroyo

Mariners:

Miller
Franklin
Seager
Ibanez
Smoak
Chavez
Zunino
Ackley
Saunders

Let's have another game like yesterday.
What say you, Mat Latos? http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/files/2013/07/latoshigh5.gif

Gallen5862
07-07-2013, 12:48 PM
Todays game is the free game of the day on mlb.com.

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 01:15 PM
Miller K's
Franklin HR

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 01:16 PM
If Seattle could only end each game after the first inning, they'd be undefeated this season.

Tony Cloninger
07-07-2013, 01:17 PM
Franklin looks like Billy Bates up there. Good golly.

reds have not scored more than 4 runs in back to back games....since June 15th or so.

Time to end it....In fact, it will end today.

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 01:20 PM
back to back hits, first and second with 1 out. this isn't going very well again for Bronson.

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 01:21 PM
Pitch count @24.

DocRed
07-07-2013, 01:27 PM
Pitch count @24.

32 for the inning, wow. I bet that is the most pitches he has thrown in an inning this year.....is there any site that has those type of stats?

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 01:28 PM
Only 1 run in the top of the first instead of 2! That means the Reds will go on to win 29-3.

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 01:31 PM
Choo with a single up the middle. Off a lefty even.

Kc61
07-07-2013, 01:32 PM
Choo singles against the lefty.

Notice that Seattle trotted out six consecutive lefty hitters v. Arroyo.

Cozart DP.

Cozart -- grounder to third, pop up to right. It's uncanny. It seems to happen virtually every time, with an occasional hit in between.

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 01:33 PM
Love how it's bad enough that Cozart bats second, but he also happens to be perhaps the biggest DP liability on the team.

Kc61
07-07-2013, 01:33 PM
Votto singles.

Kc61
07-07-2013, 01:34 PM
Love how it's bad enough that Cozart bats second, but he also happens to be perhaps the biggest DP liability on the team.

I'm telling you, watch Cozart, it's absolutely amazing. Grounder to third. Pop up to the right side.

DocRed
07-07-2013, 01:34 PM
Love how it's bad enough that Cozart bats second, but he also happens to be perhaps the biggest DP liability on the team.

Cozart is now tied for 6th in the NL after that one and has 12 on the year.
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=charlotte2&page=mlb/stat/nl-groundintodp-leaders.htm

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 01:34 PM
Hoping that the Reds hitters would give Bronson a breather... But 4 pitches in Cozy DPs. Votto singles. Let see what BP can do. Saunders @ 12 pitches.

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 01:35 PM
Hit & run?

DocRed
07-07-2013, 01:36 PM
Almost looked like Votto coulda scored on that hit. :x

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 01:36 PM
Votto singles, DatDude singles. Up to Bruce for some 2 out magic.

Tony Cloninger
07-07-2013, 01:36 PM
I'm telling you, watch Cozart, it's absolutely amazing. Grounder to third. Pop up to the right side.

Do Marty and Thom ever harp on this ...along with him batting 2nd...like they do Votto's lack of RBI and Bruce's cold spells?

He seems to get off easy because they know he has limitations.

I would even prefer Hesiey over Cozart right now. He is one hitter you can say... I would prefer a K.

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 01:37 PM
Almost looked like Votto coulda scored on that hit. :x

Yeah, but I'd bet he be out by 10 feet.

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 01:37 PM
In an alternate universe where Cozart doesn't bat second, this game would be at least tied.

Stray
07-07-2013, 01:37 PM
buncha ground balls and nothin to show for it

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 01:37 PM
Bruce hits one up the middle, but fielded nicely by Miller and tossed to second. 3 hits, no runs for the Reds.

Kc61
07-07-2013, 01:38 PM
In an alternate universe where Cozart doesn't bat second, this game would be at least tied.

Not necessarily. BP's ball could have easily been a DP. The second baseman moved off the spot apparently expecting a hit and run.

bleedsred
07-07-2013, 01:39 PM
Lineup construction just cost a run.....beating a dead horse I know. I actually like Cozart, but he belongs down at 7 or 8....he just seems to do better down in the lineup rather than hitting second. Maybe I'm wrong, too lazy to look up the actual numbers....

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 01:40 PM
Nice and easy inning here Bronson... Or maybe not w/ an error... :(

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 01:41 PM
Bronson practicing his soccer skills.

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 01:42 PM
Looked like a DP there... Oh well.

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 01:43 PM
I'm @ the game BTW... Way up @ the top.

K

PuffyPig
07-07-2013, 01:44 PM
If Cozart had bunted the Reds would have scored 2 runs and would still be batting.

WVRedsFan
07-07-2013, 01:45 PM
I'm @ the game BTW... Way up @ the top.

K

Sun Deck?

The DP was to me too slow developing. Maybe it's my eyes.

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 01:45 PM
Much better inning

Ironman92
07-07-2013, 01:45 PM
Choo saw multiple pitches....single
Votto saw multiple pitches....single
Phillips saw multiple pitches....single

Cozart swings at first pitch....double play

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 01:45 PM
Bad start, but good inning overall.

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 01:46 PM
My POV:6600

Kc61
07-07-2013, 01:46 PM
Lineup construction just cost a run.....beating a dead horse I know. I actually like Cozart, but he belongs down at 7 or 8....he just seems to do better down in the lineup rather than hitting second. Maybe I'm wrong, too lazy to look up the actual numbers....

Cozart has hit best in the two hole. He led off for awhile. He's hit seventh this year. He does better batting second, which makes sense since he's hitting in front of Votto.

But hitting seventh is a small sample size, so over time he might adjust to it.

Zack is a major liability for the offense right now. I think he's better than this, but you are what you are.

Ironman92
07-07-2013, 01:48 PM
My POV:6600

You are way up there!

WVRedsFan
07-07-2013, 01:48 PM
My POV:6600

I like those seats. Always have.

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 01:48 PM
Let's put Izturis and Hanahan back in.

bleedsred
07-07-2013, 01:49 PM
Cozart has hit best in the two hole. He led off for awhile. He's hit seventh this year. He does better batting second, which makes sense since he's hitting in front of Votto.

But hitting seventh is a small sample size, so over time he might adjust to it.

Zack is a major liability for the offense right now. I think he's better than this, but you are what you are.

Is that including last years numbers or just the current year?

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 01:49 PM
Frazier: K let's see what H-C can... GO... Hanny with the .200 BA is up and a GO.

Kc61
07-07-2013, 01:49 PM
Let's put Izturis and Hanahan back in.

I think Dusty would have, except a lefty is pitching.

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 01:49 PM
ugh

Ironman92
07-07-2013, 01:51 PM
8 pitch inning for Saunders....

Too easy

Red Raindog
07-07-2013, 01:52 PM
Choo singles against the lefty.

Notice that Seattle trotted out six consecutive lefty hitters v. Arroyo.

Cozart DP.

Cozart -- grounder to third, pop up to right. It's uncanny. It seems to happen virtually every time, with an occasional hit in between.

K's @ 20% --

:D

WVRedsFan
07-07-2013, 01:53 PM
Reds out scored Seattle in the first two games, 15-8, and are likely going to out score them for the series and maybe be 1-2. Strange

kaldaniels
07-07-2013, 01:54 PM
Reds out scored Seattle in the first two games, 15-8, and are likely going to out score them for the series and maybe be 1-2. Strange

I bet that happens more than we think.

Now, here is where I mention it is only 1-0. :D

Tony Cloninger
07-07-2013, 01:54 PM
If Cozart had bunted the Reds would have scored 2 runs and would still be batting.

Oh the irony. Most would have questioned why bunting in the 1st. It should not have to be so...but with Cozart? It might as well be Jay Bell of the Pirates circa 1990-91. He had about 40 SH in one of those years.

PuffyPig
07-07-2013, 01:54 PM
Choo saw multiple pitches....single
Votto saw multiple pitches....single
Phillips saw multiple pitches....single

Cozart swings at first pitch....double play

FWIW, Cozart actually hit it harder than those singles were hit.

They also saw multiple pitches because they swung and missed.

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 01:55 PM
I like those seats. Always have.

Not my season ticket which is in the sun.

Tony Cloninger
07-07-2013, 01:57 PM
To me it is mental right now with Cozart and Frazier. They know they are not contributing as much as they could to the program and are pressing even worse. We/they can only hope for better after the AS Break.

bleedsred
07-07-2013, 02:00 PM
Not my season ticket which is in the sun.

I don't have season tix, live over 2 hours driving time away....but if I did I am partial to sections 103 or 104. Love the sun at the park.....one negative is not getting a view of the score board though....

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 02:01 PM
Well, that happened.

Red Raindog
07-07-2013, 02:01 PM
Frazier: K let's see what H-C can... GO... Hanny with the .200 BA is up and a GO.

Any pitcher that throws a ball within a foot of the plate to Frazier is crazy

WVRedsFan
07-07-2013, 02:01 PM
I bet that happens more than we think.

Now, here is where I mention it is only 1-0. :D

Not anymore (in my best Inspector Cleosseau voice) :)

And no, I can't spell.

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 02:03 PM
Of all the series for the starting pitching to falter a bit, it's against Seattle.

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 02:06 PM
Of all the series for the starting pitching to falter a bit, it's against Seattle.

If BA and the bullpen keep Seattle @ 3 runs it would still be a quality start...

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 02:07 PM
this is just hard to watch

bleedsred
07-07-2013, 02:07 PM
Cozart gave that one a ride, just short of a HR.....

WVRedsFan
07-07-2013, 02:07 PM
Of all the series for the starting pitching to falter a bit, it's against Seattle.

Yep. It also is the match ups aren't good for us. They throw a lineup of lefties at our right-handed pitchers and they throw southpaws at us when our best hitters are left handed.

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 02:10 PM
Choo saw multiple pitches....single
Votto saw multiple pitches....single
Phillips saw multiple pitches....single

Cozart swings at first pitch....double play1st Base Coach wouldn't look him in the eyes as he ran to first base.

Kc61
07-07-2013, 02:15 PM
K's @ 20% --

:D

Cozart's K rate is 15.6%, one of the lowest on the ballclub. He has a low K rate, and a very low BB rate.

His BABIP this year is very low, .261 entering today. So, you'd think that if he continues to make contact he will likely improve, more ball should fall in.

Biggest problem with Cozart is a ridiculously low walk rate this year.

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 02:15 PM
FWIW, Cozart actually hit it harder than those singles were hit.

They also saw multiple pitches because they swung and missed.Yes. The ball went all of two feet before it hit the ground.

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 02:15 PM
Easy inning for BA but over 70 pitches. Hopefully he can get thru the 6th.

WVRedsFan
07-07-2013, 02:17 PM
Has Votto always choked up this much?

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 02:18 PM
We're about to lose a 3 game series at home against a Seattle Mariners team that came in 10 games below .500. And we did not see King Felix or Iwakuma. That's just unacceptable.

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 02:18 PM
The Right-handed hitters should eventually get to Saunders today, no matter how bad they have looked so far.

Kc61
07-07-2013, 02:19 PM
Is that including last years numbers or just the current year?

Over his career, Cozart has hit first, second and seventh. The seventh spot hitting has been a smaller sample size.

Cozart's .744 OPS hitting second is much higher than the other two slots.

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 02:21 PM
We're about to lose a 3 game series at home against a Seattle Mariners team that came in 10 games below .500. And we did not see King Felix or Iwakuma. That's just unacceptable.

Is this reverse psychology? It's only the 4th inning for crying out loud! Should I get up and leave since the game is lost?

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 02:23 PM
Is this reverse psychology? It's only the 4th inning for crying out loud! Should I get up and leave since the game is lost?

Yes. Beat the traffic.

Tony Cloninger
07-07-2013, 02:28 PM
Is this reverse psychology? It's only the 4th inning for crying out loud! Should I get up and leave since the game is lost?

Remain Calm. All is well!

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 02:28 PM
Time to get the bats going.

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 02:29 PM
Alright...come on, guys...KittyDuran is there and she's going to stick it out. Win this one for her. We get 4 this inning.

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 02:30 PM
Remain Calm. All is well!

Hurry someone put up the movie still with Kevin Bacon... :D

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 02:30 PM
Plenty of time to come back from being 3-0. They can do this.

ProfessorTofty
07-07-2013, 02:32 PM
I agree. And there's the way to maybe get it started. Heisey with a double!

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 02:32 PM
Hi-C double smoked down the line.

Ironman92
07-07-2013, 02:33 PM
There are 3 full-time players in MLB with a lower OB% than Cozart (.265)

The Marlins SS bats 7th
The Blue Jays C bats 8th
The Astros C bats 8th

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 02:35 PM
nice job Bronson!

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 02:35 PM
Error on Saunders on that one

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 02:38 PM
well, maybe next inning

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 02:39 PM
Saunders literally beating himself up there.

dsmith421
07-07-2013, 02:39 PM
Which hypothetical feat would be more impressive: Drew Stubbs striking out on two pitches or Zack Cozart hitting into a DP while leading off an inning?

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 02:39 PM
There are 3 full-time players in MLB with a lower OB% than Cozart (.265)

The Marlins SS bats 7th
The Blue Jays C bats 8th
The Astros C bats 8th
Anything under .320 while batting 1st or 2nd in front of Votto is unacceptable. That he hits there @ .265 and a permanent change has not been made is just plain bad managing.

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 02:40 PM
Next inning Reds will score this inning...oh yes, they will score this inning.:thumbup:

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 02:42 PM
The Right-handers came through that inning against Saundes with a Double and a nice bunt by Arroyo. Cozart also hit it hard last time up. The Right-handers should continue to hit him from here on....Cozart, Phillips and Frazier, hopefully all coming to bat next inning with two of three coming through.

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 02:42 PM
Arroyo getting squeezed a bunch.

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 02:44 PM
Nice snag, Joey!

On that thought,...

It's been such a pleasure for REDS fans to watch the graceful Larkin for so many years man the infield followed by the equally graceful Phillips man the other side of the infield. That's a lot of years of great baseball to be fortunate enough to view live.

Kc61
07-07-2013, 02:44 PM
Reds have nine homers in the last fourteen days.

Reds have one solo homer in this weekend series so far.

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 02:45 PM
Let's Go Cozart! Get on base...don't care how you do it.

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 02:45 PM
Here we go. Got a good feeling about this 6th inning.

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 02:46 PM
Reds have one solo homer in this weekend series so far.
Meanwhile Seattle has five home runs in this series so far.

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 02:48 PM
Let's Go Cozart! Get on base...don't care how you do it.

Lean in Cozart, lean in...

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 02:49 PM
This is Joe Saunders.

Joe Freaking Saunders.

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 02:49 PM
Gave it a good ride again, but still just an out.

RedsfaninMT
07-07-2013, 02:49 PM
WTH? Ump didn't signal out till Brandon tagged the runner on the force out there. Really strange delayed call. BP was looking right at the ump and tagged the runner when he hadn't gotten an out signal.

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 02:49 PM
This is Joe Saunders.

Joe Freaking Saunders.

I thought his middle name was Francis

Kc61
07-07-2013, 02:50 PM
Cozart should have taken that 2-1 pitch. It might have been a strike, but more likely ball 3. That's why he almost never walks.

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 02:50 PM
First 3-ball count all day from Saunders.

REDS are so aggressive as hitters. That's why they suffer w/ RISP. Without Votto and Choo, the rest of the team is just impatient. Jay Bruce aside, too, though, as Bruce has been effective with his pitch selection this season.

Dusty hates the walk. As long as Dusty Manages here, this is the way it's always going to be.

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 02:51 PM
Feeling is now dissipated:confused:...

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 02:51 PM
Should have seen this mess coming. These guys haven't scored 4+ runs on back to back games all year.

Kc61
07-07-2013, 02:53 PM
Should have seen this mess coming. These guys haven't scored 4+ runs on back to back games all year.

Not sure i get this post. You referring to the Mariners? Have never scored four runs back to back this year? Sorry, just don't understand.

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 02:54 PM
What an ugly inning!

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 02:54 PM
And it's gone...haha...oh well..

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 02:55 PM
Not sure i get this post. You referring to the Mariners? Have never scored four runs back to back this year? Sorry, just don't understand.
I assume he is referring to the Reds, which is funny because it's nowhere near being true.

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 02:56 PM
Not sure i get this post. You referring to the Mariners? Have never scored four runs back to back this year? Sorry, just don't understand.

Yes. I have the Mariners feed today. Their announcers mentioned it. Just feels right that they would do it against us.

Red Raindog
07-07-2013, 02:57 PM
I assume he is referring to the Reds, which is funny because it's nowhere near being true.

It does feel like it is true -- sigh

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 02:57 PM
I assume he is referring to the Reds, which is funny because it's nowhere near being true.

See below post.

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 02:58 PM
See below post.

Whoops....guess it would be "above."

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 02:58 PM
Yes. I have the Mariners feed today. Their announcers mentioned it. Just feels right that they would do it against us.
Too bad it's not true. Most recently, June 22nd beat Oakland 7-5 and June 23rd beat Oakland 6-3.

Kc61
07-07-2013, 02:59 PM
However this season works out, I think the Reds have to focus on their right handed hitting. They could use one real stud hitter from the right side.

Cozart, Frazier, Hanigan, these guys have not been helpful offensively. Neither is Heisey overall, though he's been a bit better lately.

Phillips is better, Mes has potential. Ludwick could make a difference in a good season.

Just not a very compelling group as hitters.

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 03:00 PM
Too bad it's not true. Most recently, June 22nd beat Oakland 7-5 and June 23rd beat Oakland 6-3.

Oh? Huh. Well, just heard them say it. Guessing others who have MLB season pass on direct TV heard it as well.

Who cares. Just get some outs and some runs.

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 03:01 PM
Simon has become so valuable to this team. And I never saw that coming.

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 03:04 PM
However this season works out, I think the Reds have to focus on their right handed hitting. They could use one real stud hitter from the right side.

Cozart, Frazier, Hanigan, these guys have not been helpful offensively. Neither is Heisey overall, though he's been a bit better lately.

Phillips is better, Mes has potential. Ludwick could make a difference in a good season.

Just not a very compelling group as hitters.

I had my doubts about a healthy Ludwick this season.

I like Mesoraco more than most. BP is great but struggling a bit right now.

There is no doubt that priority #1 has to be a significant right handed bat.

Nice pitch, Simon.

NeilHamburger
07-07-2013, 03:04 PM
A good team simply cannot lose many series like this. At home against the Mariners facing their 3-5 pitchers. You just don't lose many series like this if you want to contend. Hopefully they comeback. If not this is a very disappointing series.

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 03:06 PM
You got to hand it to him, so far Joe Francis Saunders is pitching a heck of a game.


There...hope that jinxed him

Red Raindog
07-07-2013, 03:07 PM
Simon has become so valuable to this team. And I never saw that coming.

just like Parra - Simon I could see it some but not pretty much nails like he has been

too bad the offense fails to show up some days

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 03:07 PM
You got to hand it to him, so far Joe Francis Saunders is pitching a heck of a game.


There...hope that jinxed him

I looked it up - it is Joe "Freaking" Saunders.

BluegrassRedleg
07-07-2013, 03:08 PM
Anything under .320 while batting 1st or 2nd in front of Votto is unacceptable. That he hits there @ .265 and a permanent change has not been made is just plain bad managing.

Mind-boggling. They have one of the worst sticks in MLB consistently hitting ahead of one of the best in his generation. There's no defense of it. Move Votto up to 2, Phillips to 3 and Bruce to 4. How hard is it???

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 03:09 PM
Wee need to just put the ball in play...stop trying to hit the dinger dudes...

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:09 PM
Frazier patient at the plate at this at-bat.

ProfessorTofty
07-07-2013, 03:10 PM
Todd Frazier slides in with a double!

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 03:10 PM
A good team simply cannot lose many series like this. At home against the Mariners facing their 3-5 pitchers. You just don't lose many series like this if you want to contend. Hopefully they comeback. If not this is a very disappointing series.
Disappointing yes, but I never understand the terms thrown around like 'unacceptable' and 'cannot'. Reds last year a series to the 66 wins Twins, did that ultimately mean anything?

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:10 PM
That'll work!

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 03:10 PM
Frazier with a 2B off Joe Freaking Saunders.

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 03:10 PM
Nice job Todd!

Ironman92
07-07-2013, 03:10 PM
You got to hand it to him, so far Joe Francis Saunders is pitching a heck of a game.


There...hope that jinxed him

You can't acknowledge it as a jinx....that totally nullifies it's jinxability.

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:11 PM
C'mon, Heisey. You might not be a RED next year if you don't start hitting.

A good July and August and everyone will forget about the past.

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 03:12 PM
I really just don't want the hitters to face Perez again...he destroyed them on Friday.

Ironman92
07-07-2013, 03:13 PM
Heisey is our friend....

ProfessorTofty
07-07-2013, 03:13 PM
Alright! Liner to left, another double, and the Reds are on the board!

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 03:13 PM
Hi-C!!

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 03:13 PM
Come on Hanny!!!

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:13 PM
Back-to-back-doubles by Frazier and Heisey (and for Heisey himself).

Amazing what happens when you don't swing at the first pitch.

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 03:14 PM
You can't acknowledge it as a jinx....that totally nullifies it's jinxability.

Not this time!

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:14 PM
I really just don't want the hitters to face Perez again...he destroyed them on Friday.
Forget rallying in the 9th. We need to do it in the 7th and 8th.

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 03:14 PM
Saunders can't find the zone

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 03:14 PM
Disappointing yes, but I never understand the terms thrown around like 'unacceptable' and 'cannot'. Reds last year a series to the 66 wins Twins, did that ultimately mean anything?

They're not very difficult terms to understand. If you need help, www.m-w.com.

And why does last year's Reds team get mentioned so frequently when talking about this one? They're not the same team and what transpired last season has absolutely NOTHING to do with this season. And if you want to talk about last year's team as some sort of gold standard, reference the way the season ended. Many of us have higher hopes for this bunch. We're a small market team with limited windows of opportunity. That's just the way it is.

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 03:15 PM
LOL at the announcers saying if he hits one out....just stop.

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 03:16 PM
Let's see what Derek can create here....

NeilHamburger
07-07-2013, 03:17 PM
Disappointing yes, but I never understand the terms thrown around like 'unacceptable' and 'cannot'. Reds last year a series to the 66 wins Twins, did that ultimately mean anything?

I'm not saying you never lose a series like this. But, it certainly has to be a rarity. Everything was lined up for the Reds to do well this series. This is the type of series where you should really make some hay. If you have a team that regularly goes out and beats the good teams it's not a big deal, but if you struggle against good competition these series are important.

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 03:17 PM
We must score runs in the 8th....we must do it.

BluegrassRedleg
07-07-2013, 03:17 PM
So many feebs in this lineup...

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:18 PM
Needed at least one run in the 7th. Got it. More would have been nice, but, 1 was "acceptable", none would have been "unacceptable".

Cedric
07-07-2013, 03:18 PM
Down 2 runs and a guy is on base. Late in the game and GABP and Derrick Robinson comes up?

What a horrible bench.

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 03:19 PM
They're not very difficult terms to understand. If you need help, www.m-w.com.

And why does last year's Reds team get mentioned so frequently when talking about this one? They're not the same team and what transpired last season has absolutely NOTHING to do with this season.
Probably because at this time last year the Reds were 46-38 (compared to 50-37 today) and the same negative posters were saying the same negative things.


And if you want to talk about last year's team as some sort of gold standard, reference the way the season ended.
I have, multiple times. I'm still not over it. But all you can hope for is to get to the playoffs and hope for the best.


But hey, thanks for the sarcastic link.

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:19 PM
Top-of-the-order coming up next...great opportunity to get another run or two.

Must first take care of holding them scoreless in the 8th.

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 03:20 PM
Down 2 runs and a guy is on base. Late in the game and GABP and Derrick Robinson comes up?

What a horrible bench.

this

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:21 PM
What a horrible bench.Unacceptable in a pennant race. Cannot see Walt standing pat here.

Kc61
07-07-2013, 03:21 PM
Down 2 runs and a guy is on base. Late in the game and GABP and Derrick Robinson comes up?

What a horrible bench.

Reds have no righty hitting on the bench when Heisey starts.

The broader point is that Hanigan and Robinson both hit in the key spot in the ballgame.

You know, the idea of certain positions being "defensive" doesn't really work. You can't hide your catchers and shortstops, just like you can't hide your bench.

Eventually everybody gets a turn and if they can't hit, they hurt the team.

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 03:21 PM
Probably because at this time last year the Reds were 46-38 (compared to 50-37 today) and the same negative posters were saying the same negative things.


I have, multiple times. I'm still not over it. But all you can hope for is to get to the playoffs and hope for the best.


But hey, thanks for the sarcastic link.

You're right and I was out of bounds with that. I apologize.

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 03:23 PM
2 more strikeouts and free pizza... And the battery in my cell phone is almost dead... :(

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 03:24 PM
So when will the first 'Manny Parra = next Reds closer?' thread pop up?

Red Raindog
07-07-2013, 03:24 PM
Frazier patient at the plate at this at-bat.

and they actually threw him a strike which he hit

TheBigLebowski
07-07-2013, 03:24 PM
2 more strikes and free pizza... And the battery in my cell phone is almost dead... :(

Hope you at least get that. LaRosa's is good...and I don't think we have 3 runs in us today.

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:26 PM
Reds have no righty hitting on the bench when Heisey starts.

The broader point is that Hanigan and Robinson both hit in the key spot in the ballgame.

You know, the idea of certain positions being "defensive" doesn't really work. You can't hide your catchers and shortstops, just like you can't hide your bench.

Eventually everybody gets a turn and if they can't hit, they hurt the team.Well said without using the word "unacceptable", but "cannot" got in there twice. Pretty difficult to avoid the word, as there are some things which should be avoided and the word "cannot" is shorter than "should be avoided", and other descriptions.

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 03:28 PM
here we .

cbowen2112
07-07-2013, 03:29 PM
here we .

doh

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 03:30 PM
Does there seem to be a higher number of left-handed pitchers lately?

dsmith421
07-07-2013, 03:31 PM
Teams are just punishing Choo, Votto, and Bruce with LH relievers right now because they have no fear whatsoever of Cozart and Phillips.

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:32 PM
Dusty needs to do better than this. Letting Cozart bat 2nd is costing this team wins.

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 03:32 PM
'nother solid day for Cozart out of the #2 spot.

NeilHamburger
07-07-2013, 03:32 PM
I really hate the fact that Cozart looks like he is going to be the Reds SS for the next few years.

wheels
07-07-2013, 03:32 PM
I'm usually fairly even keeled about a loss in July.

Why is this one sticking in my craw so much?

I'm quietly cursing the screen at my local watering hole with every out.

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 03:32 PM
Cozart really loves hitting right to the shortstop, doesn't he

BluegrassRedleg
07-07-2013, 03:33 PM
Unacceptable in a pennant race. Cannot see Walt standing pat here.

He has left us hanging out to dry three years in a row. Why is there reason to believe he will make a move this year with what is reportedly a much worse buyer's market?

I appreciate what the guy has done to transform this organization and build around starting pitching, but we've had constant lineup issues the entire time he's been here that never seem to be resolved.

Tony Cloninger
07-07-2013, 03:33 PM
First 3-ball count all day from Saunders.

REDS are so aggressive as hitters. That's why they suffer w/ RISP. Without Votto and Choo, the rest of the team is just impatient. Jay Bruce aside, too, though, as Bruce has been effective with his pitch selection this season.

Dusty hates the walk. As long as Dusty Manages here, this is the way it's always going to be.

If that was the case...Votto and Choo would have stopped walking. Frazier has also been way better than Cozart at taking pitches, when he does lay off pitches.

The issue is pitch selection when swinging the bat....seeing this team this team enough times...they guess and guess and guess more than half the time wrong when they swing or when they take a fat pitch down the middle.

Bad pitch recognition is more of an issue than just working walks or counts.

The Cardinals are not waking at all...... so not walking or taking more pitches is not always the issue.

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:33 PM
Teams are just punishing Choo, Votto, and Bruce with LH relievers right now because they have no fear whatsoever of Cozart and Phillips.This times 100.

wheels
07-07-2013, 03:34 PM
I really hate the fact that Cozart looks like he is going to be the Reds SS for the next few years.

It's not his position, or his playing time. It's the fact that he's being used as a square peg.

Zach is a slick fielder with a little bit of pop. Nothing else, and it's not his fault.

holster10
07-07-2013, 03:34 PM
team looks hangover happy today

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 03:35 PM
St. Louis up 3-2 in the 4th
Pittsburgh down 2-1 in the 4th

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:36 PM
If that was the case...Votto and Choo would have stopped walking. Frazier has also been way better than Cozart at taking pitches, when he does lay off pitches.

The issue is pitch selection when swinging the bat....seeing this team this team enough times...they guess and guess and guess more than half the time wrong when they swing or when they take a fat pitch down the middle.

Bad pitch recognition is more of an issue than just working walks or counts.

The Cardinals are not waking at all...... so not walking or taking more pitches is not always the issue.All very true, but if you're not taking any pitches, you're not allowing yourself the opportunity to be selective and guess correctly. To guess correctly, you have to be setting the pitcher up.

malcontent
07-07-2013, 03:36 PM
He has left us hanging out to dry three years in a row. Why is there reason to believe he will make a move this year with what is reportedly a much worse buyer's market?

I appreciate what the guy has done to transform this organization and build around starting pitching, but we've had constant lineup issues the entire time he's been here that never seem to be resolved.
I couldn't agree more. Lineup and bench issues.

Knowing the SS hits second in a Baker lineup, Jocketty has to do something at SS.

But then he sat on Stubbs for two full years.

wheels
07-07-2013, 03:36 PM
Wow. Didn't know Chapman was still around.

dsmith421
07-07-2013, 03:37 PM
I'm usually fairly even keeled about a loss in July.

Why is this one sticking in my craw so much?

I'm quietly cursing the screen at my local watering hole with every out.

Because the Mariners are an absolutely pathetic team, the Reds caught their 3-5 starters, and have looked like hot garbage against Aaron Harang and Joe Saunders, the best tandem 2007 has to offer.

The Reds need to send Cozart to the minor leagues so he can get his head straight. The guy right now is humiliating himself against major league pitching, and he is hurting the offense of a contending team. It's not good for him or for the club to have him going out there and hitting second every night. It's not ideal, but some combination of Izturis, Hannahan, and Jason Donald ought to be able to man the pump for two weeks.

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 03:37 PM
Wow. Didn't know Chapman was still around.

This seems to me to be a "we have to use him some time" appearance.

NeilHamburger
07-07-2013, 03:37 PM
I am sick of his approach at the plate. I am sick of his off balance swing which leads to popups to the infield or bouncing grounders to short.

I don't want a .260 OBP in the 2 or 8th hole in the lineup. Do you really want Cozart and the pitcher hitting back to back? That's like two pitchers.

There is no spot in the lineup I want Cozart hitting. Because I don't want to see him hit period.

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:38 PM
Pizza?

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 03:38 PM
Knowing the SS hits second in a Baker lineup, Jocketty has to do something at SS.
Like what?

Kc61
07-07-2013, 03:38 PM
Because the Mariners are an absolutely pathetic team, the Reds caught their 3-5 starters, and have looked like hot garbage against Aaron Harang and Joe Saunders, the best tandem 2007 has to offer.

The Reds need to send Cozart to the minor leagues so he can get his head straight. The guy right now is humiliating himself against major league pitching, and he is hurting the offense of a contending team. It's not good for him or for the club to have him going out there and hitting second every night. It's not ideal, but some combination of Izturis, Hannahan, and Jason Donald ought to be able to man the pump for two weeks.

Cozart is a deficient hitter. But, again, look at the full team. It is not one guy.

It is not the batting order.

Just look at the stats. Most of the guys in this lineup aren't hitting.

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 03:40 PM
Pizza for all

757690
07-07-2013, 03:40 PM
At least there will be pizza :)

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:40 PM
Because the Mariners are an absolutely pathetic team, the Reds caught their 3-5 starters, and have looked like hot garbage against Aaron Harang and Joe Saunders, the best tandem 2007 has to offer.

The Reds need to send Cozart to the minor leagues so he can get his head straight. The guy right now is humiliating himself against major league pitching, and he is hurting the offense of a contending team. It's not good for him or for the club to have him going out there and hitting second every night. It's not ideal, but some combination of Izturis, Hannahan, and Jason Donald ought to be able to man the pump for two weeks.
Izturis? Seriously? Better hitter than Cozart?

757690
07-07-2013, 03:40 PM
Pizza for all

You buying? Thanks! I'll PM you my address ;)

Kingspoint
07-07-2013, 03:41 PM
Fix the bench and the Cozart problem is fixed. Izturis and Hanahan need to be dumped. Walt's got some work to do and Dusty needs to butt out of the discussion.

Tony Cloninger
07-07-2013, 03:42 PM
He has left us hanging out to dry three years in a row. Why is there reason to believe he will make a move this year with what is reportedly a much worse buyer's market?

I appreciate what the guy has done to transform this organization and build around starting pitching, but we've had constant lineup issues the entire time he's been here that never seem to be resolved.

Walt was on the game when Bailey pitched the no hitter.

they asked about getting help. he talked about pitching. Great. Pitching is great. Always need it. Until all you do is start losing games 3-2, 4-3, 3-1.

Does he not see they need a RH bat off the bench at worst? They are so worried about defense that someone like Soto would not get a chance here.

They would need an extra roster spot to have a pure PH who can really only play 1B ....to help them against situations like this.

Like a Roger Freed circa 1977 or Kosco 1973.

They are just waiting for a miracle in Ludwick coming back healthy and hitting again. When does the light go on for the FO that what they have is not enough to help you?

Like Tom Servo said though...all it seems to matter is getting to the playoffs. How they are going to score runs seems not to be an issue as long as they get there.

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 03:42 PM
You buying? Thanks! I'll PM you my address ;)

Sure. I'll just pay with this credit card I have sitting around here....it's under the name Joseph Francis Saunders.

dsmith421
07-07-2013, 03:42 PM
Izturis? Seriously? Better hitter than Cozart?

Cozart is the only viable everyday option at SS in the upper levels of the organization. The Reds have a huge amount invested in him because if he fails, they have to go get a high-priced free agent or play an Izturis type. I'm saying send Cozart down, let him get his crap together in a no-pressure scenario, and then bring him back up. Take the temporary hit with the Three Stooges at SS for a couple of weeks. This club needs Zack Cozart to hit and he doesn't look like coming out of this slump in the majors.

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 03:44 PM
Fix the bench and the Cozart problem is fixed. Izturis and Hanahan need to be dumped. Walt's got some work to do and Dusty needs to butt out of the discussion.
Why dump Hannahan? Look at his career numbers, he's more useful than his line this year shows as he is gotten very sporadic playing time.

ProfessorTofty
07-07-2013, 03:44 PM
(sigh) Quickly two out.

wheels
07-07-2013, 03:44 PM
I'm going to reiterate my position on Zach Cozart.

While it might be easy to scapegoat him, he is what he is, and that's a shortstop that will give you league average production (for his position) and top notch defense. He should never be slotted between the two best on base guys. It's lunacy. And THAT is the problem.

As much as I like Walt, he's been prone to sleeping on this team's greater issue, bench depth. They have nothing.

The fact that we're whining about the shortstop is evidence of that.

Hollcat
07-07-2013, 03:45 PM
Reds outscored them 16-11 so it's good, right?

dsmith421
07-07-2013, 03:45 PM
They just have no clue at the plate whatsoever. Seven pitches.

NeilHamburger
07-07-2013, 03:45 PM
Pathetic series.

Tom Servo
07-07-2013, 03:45 PM
We're bad again. Very disappointing to drop 2 of 3 at home to Seattle.

Hollcat
07-07-2013, 03:47 PM
I hope the next CBA has provisions for a team to opt out of interleague play.

malcontent
07-07-2013, 03:48 PM
Like what?
Give me a Jocketty minute to think about it.

wheels
07-07-2013, 03:48 PM
Something has to be done. Increase the talent somewhere on this roster. Somehow.

Time for Walt to stop with this "Wait" Jocketty routine.

DocRed
07-07-2013, 03:49 PM
Disappointing to lose 2/3 to the lowly Mariners at home.

New York Red
07-07-2013, 03:49 PM
The Reds offense has been schizophrenic the entire season. They struggle for awhile, then explode, then struggle for awhile, then explode. They're totally unpredictable. No telling what they'll do next.

Cedric
07-07-2013, 03:49 PM
We're bad again. Very disappointing to drop 2 of 3 at home to Seattle.

For me it's more about the lack of grit and professionalism throughout the lineup.

Cozart, Phillips, Frazier, Hanigan, and whoever is the left fielder is just bad. Whether the playoffs are a crapshoot or not it's not looking good. No bench and a lineup that struggles to grind out anything.

WVRedsFan
07-07-2013, 03:52 PM
<sigh>

Losing this series showed all this team's faults. Throw out a soft throwing leftie with this lineup is anemic. When you effectively eliminate Votto, Choo, and Bruce and your right handlers, save Phillips (Cozart, Frazier, Heisey, whoever is catching) simply are not professional hitters. This team is 12 games over .500 with holes at short, third, catcher, and left. Amazing, but I don't see Walt making any moves to fill those holes, and that's why I sigh.

wheels
07-07-2013, 03:55 PM
For me it's more about the lack of grit and professionalism throughout the lineup.

Cozart, Phillips, Frazier, Hanigan, and whoever is the left fielder is just bad. Whether the playoffs are a crapshoot or not it's not looking good. No bench and a lineup that struggles to grind out anything.

Just one guy that can hit is what they need. A steady influence in the lineup.

Walt's been able to find these guys in the past, but I don't get the feeling he cares much about it. He thinks Ludwick is the guy .

reds700
07-07-2013, 03:56 PM
This team better hope that Washington or Philly don't get hot and make a run.

malcontent
07-07-2013, 03:57 PM
Cozart is a deficient hitter. But, again, look at the full team. It is not one guy.

It is not the batting order.

Just look at the stats. Most of the guys in this lineup aren't hitting.
True enough, but you gotta start somewhere, and the 2-hole batter (i.e. SS) seems like a very good place.

wheels
07-07-2013, 03:57 PM
<sigh>

Losing this series showed all this team's faults. Throw out a soft throwing leftie with this lineup is anemic. When you effectively eliminate Votto, Choo, and Bruce and your right handlers, save Phillips (Cozart, Frazier, Heisey, whoever is catching) simply are not professional hitters. This team is 12 games over .500 with holes at short, third, catcher, and left. Amazing, but I don't see Walt making any moves to fill those holes, and that's why I sigh.

I think you're right. Walt's been on auto pilot all season.

malcontent
07-07-2013, 03:59 PM
Who's up for tarring and feathering Jacoby?

WVRedsFan
07-07-2013, 04:00 PM
Just one guy that can hit is what they need. A steady influence in the lineup.

Walt's been able to find these guys in the past, but I don't get the feeling he cares much about it. He thinks Ludwick is the guy .

I believe it's the money. They went out and spent the money to keep Jay, Brandon, and Joey, and get Choo and the cupboard is bare. Add to that resigning Ludwick. You can get pitching except for the King Felix's of the world, on the cheap, so that's where he's going to concentrate.

WVRedsFan
07-07-2013, 04:02 PM
Who's up for tarring and feathering Jacoby?

If you don't have much to work with....

I don't think you can solve the problems we have with those at catcher, short, third, and left field.

Ironman92
07-07-2013, 04:03 PM
Not this time!

It's because I negated what you did.

You are welcome.

wheels
07-07-2013, 04:04 PM
Choo didn't cost them much at all, except Gregorious.

I really think a righty bat can be found. Any bat really. Walt's done it before, and most teams that are selling off would foot the bill for some of it. I just think he's putting his eggs in Ludwick's basket.

Tony Cloninger
07-07-2013, 04:08 PM
Something has to be done. Increase the talent somewhere on this roster. Somehow.

Time for Walt to stop with this "Wait" Jocketty routine.

That is funny.

I got called a Debbie Downer for stating that I hope the team did not just give up it's weeks worth of runs yesterday.

Again.... Since June 15th or so... NO more than 2 games have the Reds scored 3 or more runs. Most of the time it has been 2 or less.

NOT the 1968 Indians, 1970 Orioles or 1991-92 Braves can overcome even that on a day by day basis.

malcontent
07-07-2013, 04:09 PM
If you don't have much to work with....

I don't think you can solve the problems we have with those at catcher, short, third, and left field.
I agree. But I'd still like to see him go. There has to be some accountability for the kind of plate approach that we've been witnessing for as long as he's been here. And Baker ("they call it hitting") seems to be immune.

EMAW
07-07-2013, 04:12 PM
Reminds me of losing two of three at GABP to the Twins last season

WVRedsFan
07-07-2013, 04:13 PM
Choo didn't cost them much at all, except Gregorious.

I really think a righty bat can be found. Any bat really. Walt's done it before, and most teams that are selling off would foot the bill for some of it. I just think he's putting his eggs in Ludwick's basket.

Didi's line. - .282 - .342 - .396

I'd take it. Guess AZ wouldn't take Cozart. Smart.

redssince75
07-07-2013, 04:17 PM
Reds outscored them 16-11 so it's good, right?

Yes, on average we have a really good offense.


The Reds offense has been schizophrenic the entire season. They struggle for awhile, then explode, then struggle for awhile, then explode. They're totally unpredictable. No telling what they'll do next.

I think we know exactly what they're going to do next....stay at 3 runs or under through next weekend, win a couple of those due to pitching, explode like they did yesterday, then go back to 3 runs or under for a few games.

VR
07-07-2013, 04:23 PM
Who's up for tarring and feathering Jacoby?

Been asking for it for 3 years

dsmith421
07-07-2013, 04:23 PM
Yes, on average we have a really good offense.

Adjusted for home parks, the Reds are basically a league average offensive team (NL league avg OPS+ = 94, Reds OPS+ = 94).

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2013.shtml

KittyDuran
07-07-2013, 04:30 PM
Reminds me of losing two of three at GABP to the Twins last season

This^^^^^

Tony Cloninger
07-07-2013, 04:40 PM
How are they this bad against the AL...all they have is that DH thing. Was Willie Horton playing DH today? Maybe Rico Carty or Jeff Burroughs?

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 04:42 PM
How are they this bad against the AL...all they have is that DH thing. Was Willie Horton playing DH today? Maybe Rico Carty or Jeff Burroughs?

It seems that it's at least partially mental. It also seems like AL teams have an unending series of left-handed pitchers. And those lefties seem to be kryptonite to this team.

BluegrassRedleg
07-07-2013, 04:45 PM
Who's up for tarring and feathering Jacoby?

Can't fix unrepairable parts. ;)

BluegrassRedleg
07-07-2013, 04:50 PM
Walt was on the game when Bailey pitched the no hitter.

they asked about getting help. he talked about pitching. Great. Pitching is great. Always need it. Until all you do is start losing games 3-2, 4-3, 3-1.


Reminds me of the 90s Braves. I'd love to win one World Series again in my lifetime like they did, but I know a lot of ATL fans who were largely disappointed with that decade of unbelievable pitching and inconsistent offense. And this CIN lineup makes the ATL lineups of that vintage look like gangbusters.

Pitching is the right foundation, but you gotta have enough offense to win against teams that can run equal or similar pitching out there. The Reds cannot do that. It will not happen without a move (or two).

texasdave
07-07-2013, 06:45 PM
17 of the next 20 on the road. A three-game home series with the Pirates mixed in. 10 games on the West Coast. Hold on, folks.

Ironman92
07-07-2013, 07:19 PM
17 of the next 20 on the road. A three-game home series with the Pirates mixed in. 10 games on the West Coast. Hold on, folks.

9-11

NebraskaRed
07-07-2013, 07:20 PM
9-11

This stretch might go badly, but I'm not sure it will go so badly as to warrant a comparison to 9/11

;)

Red Raindog
07-07-2013, 08:15 PM
QUOTE=texasdave;2903082]17 of the next 20 on the road. A three-game home series with the Pirates mixed in. 10 games on the West Coast. Hold on, folks.[/QUOTE]

:thumbdown:

Redsfansince72
07-07-2013, 10:29 PM
Can't fix unrepairable parts. ;)

Then get a different set of eyes and ears and maybe things could change. Kevin Mitchell would be my 1st choice to be the hitting coach. Did you hear Doc Rogers after the game?? he had a plan before every game and it started during BP.. Doc was throwing BP and thru 3 straight fastballs down the middle.. he took all 3 and the next pitch was outside he swung and hit it to RF.. Then took perfect pitches down the middle and didnt swing.. Doc asked him after BP if he did anything wrong> Kevin Said, no he knew the pitcher that night would pitch him way so he was PREPARING for that..

This team doesn't have a VERY good plate approach.. Just like today, Bruce leading off the 7th.. the pitcher throws 2 in a row not near the plat.e. You need baserunners.. He swings at the next pitch and its a easy flyout.. Thats not smart baseball.. Thats why I wish Jocaby would be gone.. I dont see a teaching of the hitting approach. They dont have a plan when three is 2 outs and men on base... they showed I think Fridays game.. the Reds were LAST in hitting with 2 outs with men on base.. Like .178.. THAT is not doing your coaching job in my opinion...Mitchell would be a Huge upgrade since it seems Walt wont get players that makes the team better right now.. Our catchers/SS and sometimes LF have not helped this team..

texasdave
07-08-2013, 12:15 AM
Reds have the same record this year as they did last year after 88 games. 50-38.

BluegrassRedleg
07-08-2013, 02:56 AM
Then get a different set of eyes and ears and maybe things could change. Kevin Mitchell would be my 1st choice to be the hitting coach. Did you hear Doc Rogers after the game?? he had a plan before every game and it started during BP.. Doc was throwing BP and thru 3 straight fastballs down the middle.. he took all 3 and the next pitch was outside he swung and hit it to RF.. Then took perfect pitches down the middle and didnt swing.. Doc asked him after BP if he did anything wrong> Kevin Said, no he knew the pitcher that night would pitch him way so he was PREPARING for that..

This team doesn't have a VERY good plate approach.. Just like today, Bruce leading off the 7th.. the pitcher throws 2 in a row not near the plat.e. You need baserunners.. He swings at the next pitch and its a easy flyout.. Thats not smart baseball.. Thats why I wish Jocaby would be gone.. I dont see a teaching of the hitting approach. They dont have a plan when three is 2 outs and men on base... they showed I think Fridays game.. the Reds were LAST in hitting with 2 outs with men on base.. Like .178.. THAT is not doing your coaching job in my opinion...Mitchell would be a Huge upgrade since it seems Walt wont get players that makes the team better right now.. Our catchers/SS and sometimes LF have not helped this team..

I'd love to see an organizational shake-up when it comes to hitting. Not just Jacoby (who may or may not be good; I don't have the knowledge to make that call) but it's obvious to me that a lot of guys come up through the Reds system with poor approaches to hitting.

Red Raindog
07-08-2013, 03:05 PM
Reds have the same record this year as they did last year after 88 games. 50-38.

I hear you -- but -- you knew there was a but --- I just feel like this team should be at least 5 games better than they are at this point

:dunno:

757690
07-08-2013, 03:49 PM
Considering the Mariners hit homers in the first inning of each game, and scored 3 early runs in each game, and how two average pitchers shut down the Reds offense, you have to wonder about the Reds advanced scouting. It might be is reason why they are so lousy in Interleague play.

Kingspoint
07-08-2013, 11:17 PM
Cozart is the only viable everyday option at SS in the upper levels of the organization. The Reds have a huge amount invested in him because if he fails, they have to go get a high-priced free agent or play an Izturis type. I'm saying send Cozart down, let him get his crap together in a no-pressure scenario, and then bring him back up. Take the temporary hit with the Three Stooges at SS for a couple of weeks. This club needs Zack Cozart to hit and he doesn't look like coming out of this slump in the majors.
Sure. I could go for that for a couple of weeks. But, I'd like Walt to be finding Izturis' relacement when Cozart gets back.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 10:43 AM
Of note: Seattle has scored 19 runs in their last two games (against Boston). Looks like we are not the only ones to catch them at a bad time.