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Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 11:30 AM
Good Guys
Choo
Cozart
Votto
Phillips
Bruce
Frazier
Paul
Mez
Leake

Bad Guys
Schafer RF
Segura SS
Gomez CF
Lucroy C
Weeks 2B
Betancourt 1B
Halton LF
Bianchi 3B
Hellweg P

NebraskaRed
07-10-2013, 11:32 AM
Interesting that Braun played half a game yesterday and sits out today.

dsmith421
07-10-2013, 11:34 AM
Can TBD hit?

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 11:35 AM
For those worrying, John Fay has a helpful tip


John Fay‏@johnfayman3m
RT @BrianUllery: MT @rjhumble When should we start to get concerned about this team?//Right now.” Now I'm worried. Any suggestions//Toga




Toga.

NebraskaRed
07-10-2013, 11:37 AM
I found the Reds lineup:

Choo
Cozart (who will just roll the ball to the shortstop and save everyone some time)
Votto
Heisey's non-swollen elbow
Jay Bruce's hair
Some guy Dusty met outside Miller Park who said he was a catcher.
Phillips' newborn baby
Frazier's friend that he grew up with in Jersey
Derrick Robinson's legs
Leake

texasdave
07-10-2013, 11:40 AM
I heard Walt was negotiating with Holden Caulfield; who does have some catching experience.

BungleBengals
07-10-2013, 11:49 AM
Reds:

Choo
Cozart
Votto
Phillips
Bruce
Frazier
Paul
Mez
Leake

osuredleg24
07-10-2013, 11:49 AM
:bang:

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 11:51 AM
The Brewers pitcher has an ERA over 12. Hopefully the Reds can muster up a run or two against him today.

BungleBengals
07-10-2013, 11:56 AM
I'm confused why we do not just bring up a C or sign one until the ASB. What happened to Dusty's policy of making guys sit an extra day after they say they are ready to play. Mez can barely walk after Monday and tells John Fay he needs a day, two, or three to get better on Tuesday. So why start him the next day?

A team that has been decimated by injuries, yet we are throwing guys like Hanigan and Mez out there while they are injured? :confused:

Tony Cloninger
07-10-2013, 11:58 AM
Why do Marty and Thom not seriously question and harp and gripe about Cozart hitting 2nd like they do about lack of Votto RBI's...or Bruce hot/cold streaks?

Try Frazier? He can hit fastballs..he will get them. I would even prefer Cesar hitting more than once a week, like two...yes it is that bad for me.

Frazier should be tried there at worst, he will get more fastballs.

texasdave
07-10-2013, 12:02 PM
I had no idea who Johnny Hellweg was so I googled this scouting report. It appears that he can touch triple digits. But has not a single clue as to where it is going.

http://thebookofgorman.blogspot.com/2013/03/lets-talk-prospects-johnny-hellweg.html

klw
07-10-2013, 12:48 PM
I heard Walt was negotiating with Holden Caulfield; who does have some catching experience.

You have a very rye sense of humor. Oops meant wry sense of humor.

oregonred
07-10-2013, 12:52 PM
The Brewers pitcher has an ERA over 12. Hopefully the Reds can muster up a run or two against him today.

If he gives up more than three to the Reds, he will be Bondermanned post haste...

klw
07-10-2013, 12:59 PM
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2013/07/10/reds-brewers-lineups/

Devin Mesoraco’s back is good enough that Reds manager Dusty Baker went with usual Mike Leake-Mesoraco battery.

“Mes said he was OK,” Baker said. “He usually catches Leake. They’ve done pretty well together. He got here early for treatment, like he’s supposed to do. If you get here early for treatment, it shows me you might be ready or trying to get ready.”

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2013/07/10/walking-wounded-better-not-good/


–Ryan Hanigan’s left wrist held up fairly well through Tuesday’s game. “It was sore,” he said. “The (cortisone) shot helped.”

Hanigan has dealt with injuries to both hands, his left wrist and a left oblique — in addition to the normal wear and tear of catching.

“It’s been ridiculous,” he said. “But there’s still a lot of season left. I’m going to take the All-Star Break and try to heal up. I want to make a good push and the team win.”

–Chris Heisey had a compression sleeve on his left arm to try to keep down the swelling. He took pitched off his elbow the last two games. Wily Peralta hit him with a 95 mph pitch Tuesday.

“It’s pretty sore,” Baker said. “Hopefully, it will loosen up the next couple of days.”

“His arm looks like pin cushion,” Baker said. “It’s all black and blue. We just got him back and he was swinging pretty good.”

–Xavier Paul returned to the lineup for the first time since banging his shoulder and elbow into the wall at Great American Ball Park on Friday.

“We need X’s bat,” Baker said, “especially when we’re not scoring runs.”

Then Baker added something interesting: “We’re not scoring runs in the whole system,” he said. “It’s not just here, it’s everywhere.”

HeatherC1212
07-10-2013, 01:08 PM
One plea from me today while I'm at work: Please win. :(

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 01:11 PM
If he gives up more than three to the Reds, he will be Bondermanned post haste...

I read that he was likely to be sent back to the minors after the game today no matter what happens.

RedTeamGo!
07-10-2013, 02:01 PM
must win game here.

757690
07-10-2013, 02:04 PM
must win game here.

Yep, if the Reds lose today, the season is over. Time to pack it up and head home ;)

RedTeamGo!
07-10-2013, 02:08 PM
Yep, if the Reds lose today, the season is over. Time to pack it up and head home ;)

This is a big game. If you aren't alarmed by this stretch I don't know what to tell ya, getting swept by one of the worst teams in major league baseball cannot happen.

Team is absolutely reeling and needs to leave town with a win.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:10 PM
This all wouldn't be that bad, but the impact of having two teams ahead of the Reds is very damaging. If the Reds are, say, 7 out by the ASB and have to overcome two teams, it's tough. Not impossible, but tough.

Wild card situation is obviously a lot better and Reds still in good shape there.

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 02:11 PM
This is a big game. If you aren't alarmed by this stretch I don't know what to tell ya, getting swept by one of the worst teams in major league baseball cannot happen.

Team is absolutely reeling and needs to leave town with a win.

I am alarmed by this recent stretch but a loss today isn't going to break the season. Also a win isn't going to instantly turn it around either.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:12 PM
No name pitcher....

Hard to believe but the Reds will actually score today.....5 minimum

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:13 PM
I am alarmed by this recent stretch but a loss today isn't going to break the season. Also a win isn't going to instantly turn it around either.

Yes but Reds playing 17 of 20 on the road now. So far they are 0 and 2 in that stretch.

The Reds have to survive these 20 games in some kind of decent shape and then make hay with more home games later on.

So they have to win some of these.

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 02:14 PM
Good start. Choo doubles.

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 02:15 PM
Yes but Reds playing 17 of 20 on the road now. So far they are 0 and 2 in that stretch.

The Reds have to survive these 20 games in some kind of decent shape and then make hay with more home games later on.

So they have to win some of these.

I agree they have to start winning a few of these road games or they will fall out of the division and maybe the WC by end of the month.

Norm Chortleton
07-10-2013, 02:15 PM
Creeper said Halton was lucky "he didn't get hit by that ball."

:lol:

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:15 PM
Cozart grounds to third.

I will dispute anyone who says Cozart always grounds to short. I think that is a vast oversimplification.

He also grounds to third frequently. So there, LOL.

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 02:16 PM
Good ole Cozart GO to 3rd. Can't even move the runner over.

CySeymour
07-10-2013, 02:17 PM
Is Marty ranting about Cozart not grounding to the right side?

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:17 PM
Cozart is atrocious....pulling a pitch with lead off guy on 2nd????

Horrible horrible horrible

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:17 PM
A pretty weak 3-1 swing by Votto???

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:18 PM
That double by Choo courtesy of the Yonder Alonso LF training course.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:18 PM
Is anyone trying to coach some of these guys? It's the same mistakes, the same tendencies over and over and over.

At least fail doing something differently for goodness sakes. Try a slightly different approach.

Norm Chortleton
07-10-2013, 02:18 PM
Is Marty ranting about Cozart not grounding to the right side?

Not sure. But Creeper certainly did.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:19 PM
Go oppo Brandon

traderumor
07-10-2013, 02:19 PM
Dear WLW,

I am listening to Uecker today. I am boycotting Marty until further notice.

Cc: Phil Castellini

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 02:19 PM
Philips drives in a run with a single and out on a rundown between 1st and 2nd. AT least the Reds scored.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:20 PM
BP with the RBI (thank you again sucky left fielder)....then gets it a funny slow rundown for the lulz.

RedTeamGo!
07-10-2013, 02:20 PM
I am alarmed by this recent stretch but a loss today isn't going to break the season. Also a win isn't going to instantly turn it around either.

I obviously don't think it will make or break the season, I just think its a big game that is important to win. Does everything have to get torn apart? If someone at a bar said to me "big game tonight" I would say nothing if I disagreed or say "yep" if I did. Instead I say it here and I get a sarcastic laden response.

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 02:20 PM
Dear WLW,

I am listening to Uecker today. I am boycotting Marty until further notice.

Cc: Phil Castellini


Good move. I did that for a few innings Monday night.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:20 PM
Philips drives in a run with a single and out on a rundown between 1st and 2nd. AT least the Reds scored.

His throw from LF grazed the Goodyear Blimp.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:20 PM
Philips drives in a run with a single and out on a rundown between 1st and 2nd. AT least the Reds scored.

Very good baseball by Philiips there. He ran to second to try and draw the throw and help Choo score.

That is not bad baserunning, it's good baserunning on a team starved for runs.

1-0 Reds.

Falcon7
07-10-2013, 02:20 PM
BP in a rundown after getting a rbi base hit! Why does this happen so much?

757690
07-10-2013, 02:20 PM
One thing I hope Baker notices. Even in the traditional #2 hitter sense, Cozart isn't very good. He's way too agressive to be able to advance runners on a regular basis.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 02:21 PM
At this point, Cozart may as well just bunt anytime Choo is on ahead of him.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:22 PM
BP in a rundown after getting a rbi base hit! Why does this happen so much?

It happens because there is a potential play at home. The hitter runs aggressively to draw a throw and help the run score.

It's an intentional play, especially when the team is having trouble scoring.

It's fine, Phillips did it on purpose.

reds44
07-10-2013, 02:23 PM
BP in a rundown after getting a rbi base hit! Why does this happen so much?
Try to force the Brewers to cut it off and make sure the run scores.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:24 PM
One thing I hope Baker notices. Even in the traditional #2 hitter sense, Cozart isn't very good. He's way too agressive to be able to advance runners on a regular basis.

Cozart and Frazier are both pulling everything on the ground. I think they are trying to pull everything and some pitches, mostly on the outside, will result in a grounder.

If they would go the opposite way on outside pitches, they would hit more line drives and fewer grounders.

traderumor
07-10-2013, 02:24 PM
Looks like Leake is in the inevitable regression period.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:25 PM
Tie game after two hits and a sacrifice fly. Leake lucky that didn't go for extra bases but was caught.

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 02:25 PM
That lead didn't last long.

Big Klu
07-10-2013, 02:25 PM
Dear WLW,

I am listening to Uecker today. I am boycotting Marty until further notice.

Cc: Phil Castellini

Did you listen to Uecker on Monday? I was wondering what his view (as an ex-catcher) was on Mesoraco playing rhrough the back pain.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 02:26 PM
That lead didn't last long.
Can't say it's a shock the way things are going right now.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:27 PM
Mes with his usual one hop throw to second. Guy can't reach second on a fly.

But that time it was accurate and he cuts down the runner.

reds44
07-10-2013, 02:27 PM
This team needs a new SS in the worst way.

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 02:27 PM
Nice pickup on the tag by Phillips.

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 02:28 PM
Leake worked through that inning pretty nicley after the first two batters.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:29 PM
This team needs a new SS in the worst way.

I would like to disagree with this. Cozart plays excellent defense and has shown good power at times.

But with his OBP, it's impossible to argue that he should be in the lineup. It's just unacceptable.

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 02:29 PM
Did you listen to Uecker on Monday? I was wondering what his view (as an ex-catcher) was on Mesoraco playing rhrough the back pain.


When I was listening to him he thought Mes had knee problems.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 02:30 PM
This team needs a new SS in the worst way.
Even when others had Cozart penciled in as the longterm SS I was in favor of keeping our eyes open for an upgrade, but I could live with Cozart batting 8th in a lineup where we have a legitimate left fielder. But it's apparently Cozart batting #2 or nothing with Dusty and nothing is a far superior option.


Speaking of upgrades, while Segura is obviously going nowhere, I would potentially look into seeing what pitching it would take for Milwaukee to part with Lucroy.

CySeymour
07-10-2013, 02:31 PM
This team needs a new SS in the worst way.

I disagree. They just need to not put the current one at the top of the lineup.

757690
07-10-2013, 02:32 PM
I have a feeling 1-1 will not be the final score of the game ;)

reds44
07-10-2013, 02:33 PM
I would like to disagree with this. Cozart plays excellent defense and has shown good power at times.

But with his OBP, it's impossible to argue that he should be in the lineup. It's just unacceptable.
A .261 on base is so bad it's hard for me to comprehend. So bad.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:33 PM
I was worried when Bruce lead off with a single that Cozart (from the bench) would GIDP on the 1st pitch.

reds44
07-10-2013, 02:33 PM
I disagree. They just need to not put the current one at the top of the lineup.
Cozart could be hitting 11th and it would still be too high.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:34 PM
A .261 on base is so bad it's hard for me to comprehend. So bad.

He's not only at .261, but it's going down still.

RedTeamGo!
07-10-2013, 02:35 PM
.261 obp is unacceptable. Period. End of story.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 02:35 PM
X gonna BB it to ya

757690
07-10-2013, 02:35 PM
A .261 on base is so bad it's hard for me to comprehend. So bad.

I won't mind the horrible OBP if he could be a tradional #2 hitter and advance runners on a regular basis. He's terrible at that too.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:36 PM
I disagree. They just need to not put the current one at the top of the lineup.

Can't agree, his sub-.300 OBP is disqualifying. It's just not a major league number. Cannot have a .261 OBP. And last year was also sub-.300.

It's below the bare minimum. And I am a fan of Cozart. But being realistic. It's like having two pitchers in the lineup. No matter where he hits in the order.

The best suggestion I heard all season is to acquire Jimmy Rollins. Won't happen unless Philly falls way out. But if they decide to rebuild, it would be a tremendous thing for the Reds, even at this stage of his career.

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 02:36 PM
bases juiced with no outs.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:37 PM
0-2 on Mes after a very questionable strike call.

traderumor
07-10-2013, 02:38 PM
I think the Cozart comments are starting to violate Board rules of excessive player criticism.

757690
07-10-2013, 02:38 PM
Can't agree, his sub-.300 OBP is disqualifying. It's just not a major league number. Cannot have a .261 OBP. And last year was also sub-.300.

It's below the bare minimum. And I am a fan of Cozart. But being realistic. It's like having two pitchers in the lineup. No matter where he hits in the order.

The best suggestion I heard all season is to acquire Jimmy Rollins. Won't happen unless Philly falls way out. But if they decide to rebuild, it would be a tremendous thing for the Reds, even at this stage of his career.

Philly will be buyers. They are very close to the second wild card spot.

Chip R
07-10-2013, 02:38 PM
bases juiced with no outs.

Brewers have the Reds right where they want them. ;)

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:38 PM
0-2 on Mes after a very questionable strike call.

And a very questionable swing on the 1st pitch. Darnit that ball has to be in one tiny area that he's looking for.

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 02:39 PM
SF by Mes. Frazier to third.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:39 PM
At least he got the run in and advanced other to 3rd

Stray
07-10-2013, 02:39 PM
Nice job by mes

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:39 PM
Philly will be buyers. They are very close to the second wild card spot.

Agree, too bad. But if they should slump, you never know.

But likely you're correct.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 02:39 PM
I think the Cozart comments are starting to violate Board rules of excessive player criticism.
I heard Cozart went to an .OBP convention and lowered all the .OBP at the .OBP convention and they had to close the .OBP convention.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:39 PM
Leake is due

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:39 PM
That was an impressive at bat by Mesoraco.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 02:41 PM
Hellweg is quite obviously not at this juncture an MLB pitcher, the Reds really need to make hay will the sun is shining.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:41 PM
Leake missed the pitch he usually drives to RCF and whiffed on a bunt attempt?

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:41 PM
If this pitcher makes it thru 5 something is wrong.

cumberlandreds
07-10-2013, 02:42 PM
Brewers have the Reds right where they want them. ;)


Pretty much. Only gave up one run. Par for the course for this Reds team.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:42 PM
Double play. Too bad.

I like Jim Day on play by play. Haven't heard him before. He knows some stats and fairly presents the action.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 02:42 PM
jeez

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 02:43 PM
And a very questionable swing on the 1st pitch. Darnit that ball has to be in one tiny area that he's looking for.

Maybe he was looking for pitch in on his fists.

Of course I can't say why he would be.

traderumor
07-10-2013, 02:43 PM
Did you listen to Uecker on Monday? I was wondering what his view (as an ex-catcher) was on Mesoraco playing rhrough the back pain.No, I only followed a few innings on at-bat monday.

dsmith421
07-10-2013, 02:43 PM
Half the guys on this team would be better off not taking a bat to the plate when there are runners on base.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:43 PM
If this pitcher makes it thru 5 something is wrong.

Even if he makes it through 5, something is wrong. Most definitely is wrong.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 02:43 PM
I like Jim Day on play by play. Haven't heard him before. He knows some stats and fairly presents the action.
Most (only?) pleasant surprise of this series, I like him better than any of our regular PBP guys, and I'm a fan of Kelch. But Day, at least in a small sample size (;)), is better.

traderumor
07-10-2013, 02:44 PM
Ok, Leake, get the ball down and keep it there. We need a win.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:45 PM
Maybe he was looking for pitch in on his fists.

Of course I can't say why he would be.

Just horrible.....Walk, HBP....no control, bases loaded no outs and swing at that pitch boring in on his hands....horrible.

To me it has to be your favorite pitch and you recognize it as your favorite pitch.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 02:47 PM
Just horrible.....Walk, HBP....no control, bases loaded no outs and swing at that pitch boring in on his hands....horrible.

To me it has to be your favorite pitch and you recognize it as your favorite pitch.

Leake is a pitcher. Let's not expect too much. He's pitching better this inning which is more important.

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 02:48 PM
Leake missed the pitch he usually drives to RCF and whiffed on a bunt attempt?

bad hitting is contagious!

reds44
07-10-2013, 02:51 PM
I think the Cozart comments are starting to violate Board rules of excessive player criticism.
Is it possible to excessively critcisize a player with a .265 OBP?

texasdave
07-10-2013, 02:51 PM
His throw from LF grazed the Goodyear Blimp.

If the roof was open it would have left the stadium. :laugh:

RedTeamGo!
07-10-2013, 02:54 PM
Lance quoted Dusty saying they have been looking at the farm for offensive help. With the way Cozart has been hitting, I wonder if they have realized they will need to look outside of the organization for SS help and a move is imminent.

dsmith421
07-10-2013, 02:56 PM
Congratulations to Zack Cozart, who successfully completed an at-bat in which he made only one Out.

Norm Chortleton
07-10-2013, 02:57 PM
FC > DP. So at least he's getting a little better. That's as positive as I can get right now about him.

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 02:57 PM
Is it possible to excessively critcisize a player with a .265 OBP?

how about a .261 OBP guy?

:eek:

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:57 PM
Cozart down to a pitcher-like .259 OB%

I wonder what the record is for the lowest OB% by a guy batting 2nd everyday in July?

texasdave
07-10-2013, 02:57 PM
Lance quoted Dusty saying they have been looking at the farm for offensive help. With the way Cozart has been hitting, I wonder if they have realized they will need to look outside of the organization for SS help and a move is imminent.

They better be looking at another organization's farm system.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:58 PM
Leake is a pitcher. Let's not expect too much. He's pitching better this inning which is more important.

No kidding? Lol

It's still the exact same skill that he's always been more than adequate at....

RedTeamGo!
07-10-2013, 02:59 PM
That is the point, they were looking at the Reds farm system and realized there is no offensive help to be found there.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 02:59 PM
Easy RBI by BP

Kc61
07-10-2013, 03:00 PM
No kidding? Lol

It's still the exact same skill that he's always been more than adequate at....

Yeah, but picking on a pitcher's hitting is, well, you know, not usually done.

Reds lead 3-1 now on a Choo single, a Votto double, and a Phillips RBi grounder.

50YrRedsFan
07-10-2013, 03:00 PM
Lance quoted Dusty saying they have been looking at the farm for offensive help. With the way Cozart has been hitting, I wonder if they have realized they will need to look outside of the organization for SS help and a move is imminent.

IMO, this tells the whole story.....The Reds don't want to spend any $$ to acquire any one. They are NOT going all out to win. The money is the bottom line.

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 03:01 PM
Cozart down to a pitcher-like .259 OB%

I wonder what the record is for the lowest OB% by a guy batting 2nd everyday in July?

I cannot believe you can find one lower.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 03:03 PM
Yeah, but picking on a pitcher's hitting is, well, you know, not usually done.

Reds lead 3-1 now on a Choo single, a Votto double, and a Phillips RBi grounder.

I wants picking at all....it's more head-scratching to me

Kc61
07-10-2013, 03:03 PM
Lance quoted Dusty saying they have been looking at the farm for offensive help. With the way Cozart has been hitting, I wonder if they have realized they will need to look outside of the organization for SS help and a move is imminent.

I would like to see Izturis play for awhile.

I know, RedsZone hates, hates, hates players like this.

But he recently commented on how disappointed he is with his hitting. He has hit much better of late. He's a veteran player, I don't expect any huge slump from him.

Put the left fielder second, put Izturis eighth, Mes seventh. Would be better IMO.

And Cesar plays defense.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 03:04 PM
Leake is a pitcher. Let's not expect too much. He's pitching better this inning which is more important.

I was talking about Meso in this....not Leake.

reds44
07-10-2013, 03:04 PM
IMO, this tells the whole story.....The Reds don't want to spend any $$ to acquire any one. They are NOT going all out to win. The money is the bottom line.
They have a 100+ million dollar payroll. Imagine if I said that 5 years ago.

Don't be silly.

CySeymour
07-10-2013, 03:05 PM
IMO, this tells the whole story.....The Reds don't want to spend any $$ to acquire any one. They are NOT going all out to win. The money is the bottom line.

With the Reds, I think BCast would be more then willing to spend to upgrade the team. But, they already spent in the offseason by extending Broxton and Ludwick and getting Choo. My guess is, they are probably tapped out budget wise.

texasdave
07-10-2013, 03:05 PM
Helweg has given up a run in every inning and lowered his ERA at the same time. Not an easy thing to do.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 03:06 PM
I was talking about Meso in this....not Leake.

Oh, sorry. I thought Mes had a good at bat. Fell behind 0-2 on a bad call (or so it seemed). Coming off injury. Got the count in his favor and hit the fly ball.

Whatever.

Frazier cannot hit on the road. Just awful this year on the road.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 03:06 PM
I cannot believe you can find one lower.

The first place I would look would be Corey Patterson and Wily Taveras...but think they mostly lead off (fast/played CF)

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 03:08 PM
Oh, sorry. I thought Mes had a good at bat. Fell behind 0-2 on a bad call (or so it seemed). Coming off injury. Got the count in his favor and hit the fly ball.

Whatever.

Frazier cannot hit on the road. Just awful this year on the road.

The AB ended productive....but he wailed at a bad pitch with bases loaded and the pitcher exuding no control to the 3 batters ahead of him.....if anything the crappy call on the next pitch got him focused.

reds1869
07-10-2013, 03:10 PM
Great play by Frazier and Mesoraco!

50YrRedsFan
07-10-2013, 03:12 PM
They have a 100+ million dollar payroll. Imagine if I said that 5 years ago.

Don't be silly.

I still contend the Votto , Phillips, Broxton, etc, contracts have tied Bob C's hands. There is no $$ left to help or improve the team. I understand you have to pay for good players. It's the fringe players that will make or break whether we win. This year it looks they are not going to get it done.

BungleBengals
07-10-2013, 03:13 PM
In regards to farm help for SS: what about Billy Hamilton?

I know his defense isn't as good and his batting is not going too well in AAA, but with his speed he would likely lead off which will avoid DP. Not to mention if he does hit a DP ball, he could run it out unlike Cozart.

I know it isn't likely, but just an idea to help the SS issue.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 03:15 PM
Lol Holy Schnikes....in 2008 Dusty's boy Patterson was at .260 OB% on May 21st and PLAYED the remainder of the season not only below that but by June he was down to .216 and hovered around .230 most of the season ending at near .240.

He surely hit 2nd in there.

Holy Moses.

50YrRedsFan
07-10-2013, 03:15 PM
Great play by Frazier and Mesoraco!

If they could only hit, we would be happier than a pig in slop.:laugh:

reds44
07-10-2013, 03:15 PM
In regards to farm help for SS: what about Billy Hamilton?

I know his defense isn't as good and his batting is not going too well in AAA, but with his speed he would likely lead off which will avoid DP. Not to mention if he does hit a DP ball, he could run it out unlike Cozart.

I know it isn't likely, but just an idea to help the SS issue.
His OPS is as bad in AAA as Cozart's is in the majors and he can't play SS.


So, no.

Mutaman
07-10-2013, 03:15 PM
I still contend the Votto , Phillips, Broxton, etc, contracts have tied Bob C's hands. There is no $$ left to help or improve the team. I understand you have to pay for good players. It's the fringe players that will make or break whether we win. This year it looks they are not going to get it done.

Looks like the good players aren't getting it done either.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 03:17 PM
Who wants to start a "When will Leake starting hitting again" thread in the ORG? :laugh:

texasdave
07-10-2013, 03:17 PM
Lol Holy Schnikes....in 2008 Dusty's boy Patterson was at .260 OB% on May 21st and PLAYED the remainder of the season not only below that but by June he was down to .216 and hovered around .230 most of the season ending at near .240.

He surely hit 2nd in there.

Holy Moses.

And Dusty ran him out there for almost 400 PA.

Of course, Wilson Valdez had a .236 OBP last year and Dusty got him over 200 PA. Nothing new for Dusty to stick non-hitters at the top of the lineup.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 03:18 PM
looks like the good players aren't getting it done either.
they are 10 games over .500

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 03:18 PM
the sun shadow combinations must be tough for the hitters right now

reds44
07-10-2013, 03:18 PM
I remember Patterson got off to a good start that year and hit a huge homer in Milwaukee.

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 03:18 PM
Who wants to start a "When will Leake starting hitting again" thread in the ORG? :laugh:

we need his offense

dsmith421
07-10-2013, 03:19 PM
The whole "they are 10 games over .500" is not particularly comforting, given that number was 15 ten days ago and they are about to head for Atlanta and the West Coast.

50YrRedsFan
07-10-2013, 03:20 PM
they are 10 games over .500

Yes they are, but have been playing under .500 since the end of May.

reds44
07-10-2013, 03:20 PM
The whole "they are 10 games over .500" is not particularly comforting, given that number was 15 ten days ago and they are about to head for Atlanta and the West Coast.
Yes, they haven't been playing well lately. Normally, that leads to dropping games.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 03:21 PM
The whole "they are 10 games over .500" is not particularly comforting, given that number was 15 ten days ago and they are about to head for Atlanta and the West Coast.


Yes they are, but have been playing under .500 since the end of May.


And you guys speak as though they are 20 games below and the dregs of baseball. It may FEEL that way to you, but it's simply not so.

reds44
07-10-2013, 03:21 PM
Yes they are, but have been playing under .500 since the end of May.
Which means they palyed way over .500 in April and May.

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 03:25 PM
Lol Holy Schnikes....in 2008 Dusty's boy Patterson was at .260 OB% on May 21st and PLAYED the remainder of the season not only below that but by June he was down to .216 and hovered around .230 most of the season ending at near .240.

He surely hit 2nd in there.

Holy Moses.

2008 Patterson

#1 hole 155 PA .217 OBP

#2 hole 32 PA .188 PA

So he wasn't the main guy that year in those spots -- thanks Dusty!

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 03:26 PM
Just your routine DP right there.

the hell was gomez thinking trying to go back to 2nd

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 03:26 PM
Thanks Brew Crew

texasdave
07-10-2013, 03:26 PM
Gomez was brain dead on that play.

dsmith421
07-10-2013, 03:26 PM
And you guys speak as though they are 20 games below and the dregs of baseball. It may FEEL that way to you, but it's simply not so.

No, I don't. Don't lump me in with that crowd. Their pythag is still good enough -- and more importantly, their pitching is good enough -- that I'm not preaching doom. However, if this current stinkfest continues throughout the rest of the month, they may dig themselves a serious hole.

Puffy
07-10-2013, 03:27 PM
Who wants to start a "When will Leake starting hitting again" thread in the ORG? :laugh:

Mike Leake's last hit came in a start on May 8.

That is a long time for someone as good a hitter as he is

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 03:27 PM
That was a Reds-esque inning by Milwaukee. :beerme:

kaldaniels
07-10-2013, 03:27 PM
The whole "they are 10 games over .500" is not particularly comforting, given that number was 15 ten days ago and they are about to head for Atlanta and the West Coast.

I think you made something up there.

PuffyPig
07-10-2013, 03:27 PM
I would like to see Izturis play for awhile.

I know, RedsZone hates, hates, hates players like this.

But he recently commented on how disappointed he is with his hitting. He has hit much better of late. He's a veteran player, I don't expect any huge slump from him.

Put the left fielder second, put Izturis eighth, Mes seventh. Would be better IMO.

And Cesar plays defense.

As bad as Cozart is hitting these days, he's twice the hitter and twice the fielder Izturis is.

I don't think you comprehed how bad Iztuis is.

You don't expect a slup for him? His whole career has been one big slump.

And his range is basically gone.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 03:28 PM
No, I don't. Don't lump me in with that crowd. Their pythag is still good enough that I'm not preaching doom. However, if this current stinkfest continues throughout the rest of the month, they may dig themselves a serious hole.
My bad.

klw
07-10-2013, 03:29 PM
Cozart down to a pitcher-like .259 OB%

I wonder what the record is for the lowest OB% by a guy batting 2nd everyday in July?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/split/110/league/nl/sort/onBasePct/order/true

League wide stats for teams by #2 hitters.
Sortable Batting

RK TEAM GP AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI AVG OBP SLG OPS
1 San Francisco 89 358 50 112 23 3 3 150 25 .313 .376 .419 .795
2 Milwaukee 89 373 58 118 12 7 13 183 39 .316 .359 .491 .850
3 St. Louis 88 377 65 115 19 1 20 196 61 .305 .343 .520 .863
4 LA Dodgers 89 363 53 105 17 1 8 148 32 .289 .342 .408 .749
5 Pittsburgh 89 357 42 87 23 3 8 140 33 .244 .328 .392 .721
6 Philadelphia 91 376 50 103 26 2 12 169 33 .274 .316 .449 .765
7 Atlanta 90 362 48 84 17 1 10 133 32 .232 .315 .367 .683
8 NY Mets 87 370 44 99 24 3 6 147 35 .268 .309 .397 .706
9 San Diego 91 368 45 92 15 6 11 152 43 .250 .308 .413 .721
10 Arizona 90 389 56 100 18 2 7 143 38 .257 .307 .368 .675
11 Chicago Cubs 88 366 48 89 19 1 8 134 31 .243 .299 .366 .665
12 Miami 89 361 38 85 7 1 2 100 15 .235 .296 .277 .573
13 Colorado 91 382 60 94 13 0 8 131 28 .246 .288 .343 .631
14 Washington 90 363 50 81 14 0 9 122 29 .223 .271 .336 .607
15 Cincinnati 90 379 50 88 23 1 6 131 36 .232 .268 .346 .614
LEAGUE AVERAGES GP AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI AVG OBP SLG OPS
American League 90 368 51 98 21 2 9 148 40 .267 .327 .404 .731
National League 89 370 50 97 18 2 9 145 34 .262 .315 .393 .708

Also Cozart OBP while hitting second was .283 coming into today. Not great but better than his overall and yes their are worse.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/split/110/league/nl/sort/onBasePct/count/52/qualified/false

kaldaniels
07-10-2013, 03:30 PM
Walk to Cozart.

Game over, Reds will win.

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 03:31 PM
2008 Reds --- Keppinger was the main #2 guy -- 356 PA .303 obp -- how exciting would that be?

As I type Cozart walks!

reds44
07-10-2013, 03:33 PM
For the love of God, bust it open.

Norm Chortleton
07-10-2013, 03:34 PM
#Tooblan (thanks to MIL) is edging out Freeze Spray on Welsh's trending topics list.

texasdave
07-10-2013, 03:37 PM
Carlos Gomez leads the league in TOOBLANs this season. He is in double figures.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 03:39 PM
For the love of God, bust it open.
Really should have gotten more runs before the Brewers put in actual major league pitchers from the bullpen.

Chip R
07-10-2013, 03:41 PM
For the love of God, bust it open.

We need Latos to pinch hit.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 03:41 PM
We can't really get a hit with RISP but we are getting guys to 3rd before 2 outs and we are beating it into the ground and now have 4 runs.

Stray
07-10-2013, 03:44 PM
Frazier can't catch a break

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 03:44 PM
funny - did I hear the talking heads saying the sun is the cause for Frazier's funky swings?

texasdave
07-10-2013, 03:45 PM
Frazier hit it well but Gomez fielded it better.

Mutaman
07-10-2013, 03:45 PM
they are 10 games over .500


Are you satisfied with the way they're playing? Name one guy other than Leake and Para who is performing better than expected.

PuffyPig
07-10-2013, 03:45 PM
Frazier hit it well but Gomez fielded it better.

Where did I hear that recently?

Oh yes, on Monday.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 03:47 PM
Are you satisfied with the way they're playing?
Right now? No. But that's because they have lost 3 straight and 2 straight series against below average teams. I don't expect them to lose every game for the rest of the season.

Mutaman
07-10-2013, 03:48 PM
they are 10 games over .500

They've lost 4 out of 5 to Seattle and the Brewers.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 03:49 PM
I wouldn't leave Leake out long today.

Mutaman
07-10-2013, 03:49 PM
they are 10 games over .500

They've been playing under .500 since beginning of June.

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 03:50 PM
I wouldn't leave Leake out long today.

yup -- he's not on top of it today

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 03:50 PM
They've been playing under .500 since beginning of June.
Well now you've convinced me. Worst team ever.

OldXOhio
07-10-2013, 03:52 PM
For the love of God, bust it open.

That'd be nice wouldn't it? Don't think this offense is capable though without help from the opposing team's defense.

OldXOhio
07-10-2013, 03:53 PM
yup -- he's not on top of it today

Bianchi's second walk of the game. He's walked once the entire season coming into today.

Mutaman
07-10-2013, 03:54 PM
Well now you've convinced me. Worst team ever.

Nope, just underachieving. With some fans who like to play pollyana.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 03:56 PM
Reds with four hits today. Votto, Bruce, Choo, Phiillips. Nobody else with a hit so far.

Text book Reds.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 03:57 PM
Nope, just underachieving. With some fans who like to play pollyana.
I'd say being 10 games over .500 is a fact, and there's nothing unreasonable or illogical about it.

reds44
07-10-2013, 03:57 PM
Reds with four hits today. Votto, Bruce, Choo, Phiillips. Nobody else with a hit so far.

Text book Reds.
Paul, Mesoraco, and Leake all have 1 AB.

Easy.

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 03:59 PM
Reds with four hits today. Votto, Bruce, Choo, Phiillips. Nobody else with a hit so far.

Text book Reds.

Cozart got walk -- that is NOT in the text book

:p

Mutaman
07-10-2013, 04:00 PM
I'd say being 10 games over .500 is a fact, and there's nothing unreasonable or illogical about it.


It is a fact, no question about that.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:01 PM
Someone throw me where the Reds stand in double plays....my God it seems like we turn the fewest and hit into the most.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:02 PM
I wouldn't leave Leake out long today.

Dusty definitely won't. He'll pull him the first hint of trouble.

dsmith421
07-10-2013, 04:02 PM
Someone throw me where the Reds stand in double plays....my God it seems like we turn the fewest and hit into the most.

Middle of the road, but they've hit into 8 in the last 9 games.

klw
07-10-2013, 04:05 PM
Someone throw me where the Reds stand in double plays....my God it seems like we turn the fewest and hit into the most.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/league/nl/sort/GIDPs/type/expanded-2/order/true


RK TEAM PH-H PH-AB PH-BA GB FB G/F GDP AB/HR XBH TPA
1 St. Louis 23 102 .225 1149 1316 0.87 94 37.7 255 3358
2 Arizona 32 128 .250 1212 1331 0.91 86 41.7 260 3486
3 Miami 27 115 .235 1217 1208 1.01 83 55.7 194 3307
4 Philadelphia 35 131 .267 1179 1280 0.92 76 35.3 253 3381
5 San Francisco 29 117 .248 1230 1320 0.93 75 51.9 243 3395
6 LA Dodgers 22 96 .229 1119 1313 0.85 74 41.4 230 3335
7 Cincinnati 33 114 .289 1198 1239 0.97 71 34.1 256 3509
8 Milwaukee 25 132 .189 1249 1211 1.03 69 36.0 246 3363
9 Atlanta 31 102 .304 1054 1247 0.85 64 27.9 261 3441
10 Pittsburgh 24 124 .194 1089 1213 0.90 60 34.6 252 3356
11 San Diego 24 126 .190 1170 1264 0.93 60 37.5 249 3459
12 Colorado 30 123 .244 1198 1336 0.90 56 29.8 286 3498
13 Chicago Cubs 27 126 .214 1047 1360 0.77 55 30.7 290 3304
14 Washington 21 118 .178 1108 1224 0.91 54 36.3 249 3294
15 NY Mets 28 136 .206 1041 1282 0.81 53 35.8 249 3394

Always Red
07-10-2013, 04:06 PM
Middle of the road, but they've hit into 8 in the last 9 games.

And defensively, the Reds have turned the least amount of DP's in the NL.

reds44
07-10-2013, 04:06 PM
And defensively, the Reds have turned the least amount of DP's in the NL.
Don't the Reds lead the NL in strikeouts though?

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 04:07 PM
Someone throw me where the Reds stand in double plays....my God it seems like we turn the fewest and hit into the most.

NL Leader in GBDP is 94 -- Reds with 71 (7th place)

NL Defense - Reds dead last at 64 -- I think this includes all types of DP

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 04:07 PM
Yeah, I can't really complain about turning double plays, it generally seems we get them when we need them.


now the hitting into double plays, it's pretty bad.

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 04:08 PM
Don't the Reds lead the NL in strikeouts though?

yes

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 04:08 PM
Good job by Leake, who has made the most of help from the Brewers and the Reds D.

PuffyPig
07-10-2013, 04:11 PM
Teams with lots of baserunners hit into more DP's, and team with pitchers who gets lots of K's and give up fewer baserunners get less DP's.

Gross numbers don't tell the complete story.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 04:13 PM
Ground ball to left side, pop up to right side.

It's really just remarkable that Cozart doesn't change something to break the pattern.

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:13 PM
Nice to see Choo getting hot again. Standard one out Choo on AB for Joey V.

MikeS21
07-10-2013, 04:15 PM
Nice to see Choo getting hot again. Standard one out Choo on AB for Joey V.
I suppose that's better than last year when there was standard no one on, two outs for Votto.

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:15 PM
Choo and Votto as OBP machines. Now what?

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:16 PM
Leake was looking good in the 6th

Be nice if he could go 8.....pitch count he can

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:16 PM
DatDude trying for the three run HR on the first pitch. Good pitch to hit though...

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:18 PM
Doesn't anyone work in Milwaukee?

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 04:18 PM
Choo and Votto as OBP machines. Now what?
Now we need a cleanup hitter with an .800+ OPS.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:18 PM
DatDude trying for the three run HR on the first pitch. Good pitch to hit though...

It was 68 mph.....pitches below 70 rarely get hit hard

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:19 PM
Ummm brats and sausages...

Was that a Wisconsin accent? Is there such a thing?

Datdue flairs a single, that was surprisingly close at home.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:20 PM
Ummm brats and sausages...

Yeah...I'm starving and I could eat one of those.

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 04:20 PM
It was 68 mph.....pitches below 70 rarely get hit hard

they would if I threw it

:D

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 04:20 PM
Doesn't anyone work in Milwaukee?
Happy Days taught us that, no, they don't.


DatDude delivers!

Kingspoint
07-10-2013, 04:20 PM
That is one pathetic-looking bench:

Hannahan .227
Hanigan .193 (and injured)
Heisey (injured)
Izturis .210
Robinson .258

While certain starters are batting around .200 since June.

When the weather heats up, the bats are supposed to heat up. I hope it gets really hot, real soon.

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 04:21 PM
dinker scores a run -- BP gets it done

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:21 PM
Great AB by BP and the villain Gomez just about made an unbelievable play on Choo.

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:21 PM
Is that Kelch or Jim Day with the Wisconsin accent??

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:22 PM
Happy Days taught us that, no, they don't.


DatDude delivers!

Laverne and Shirley disagree

757690
07-10-2013, 04:23 PM
Is that Kelch or Jim Day with the Wisconsin accent??

It was Day and he really needs to stop with the accents and impressions. Embarrassingly bad, lol.

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:23 PM
Even the sorry Brewers beat working in Milwaukee. Nice crowd. They love day games in the summer in Wisconsin.

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:24 PM
It was Day and he really needs to stop with the accents and impressions. Embarrassingly bad, lol.

Welsh was being stunningly silent. Just letting Day make a jackwagon of himself. Bruce adds to the hit parade. Two EXCELLENT ABs by DatDude and Bruce.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:25 PM
See, I believe that is BP. He swings for HR and is awful but he got to 2 strikes with RISP and battle, battle, battle.....he can do that and THAT gets it done in the playoffs regardless of stadium size or temperature.

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 04:25 PM
Bruce delivers


These runs are big because they give Leake, around only 70 pitches but obviously not on top of his game today, a nice cushion.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:26 PM
Welsh was being stunningly silent. Just letting Day make a jackwagon of himself. Bruce adds to the hit parade. Two EXCELLENT ABs by DatDude and Bruce.

DatDude and BP?

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 04:26 PM
BP & Bruce get patient and score runners with base hits -- Frazier? Hacks at first offering

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:26 PM
DatDude and BP?

Ha....you fixed it before I could get it...kudos

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:27 PM
DatDude and BP?

Shell, Exxon, Hess;)

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:27 PM
BP & Bruce get patient and score runners with base hits -- Frazier? Hacks at first offering

It's ridiculous.

Kingspoint
07-10-2013, 04:27 PM
While it's understandable for Frazier to have a sophomore slump, as it happens to most, I would love to see him come out of it halfway through the season. The team needs his bat badly.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:28 PM
Bruce delivers


These runs are big because they give Leake, around only 70 pitches but obviously not on top of his game today, a nice cushion.

Yes....but in the 6th Leake was on top of his game.

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:29 PM
Cozart and Frazier should be forced to watch Choo, Votto, DatDude and Bruce's 7th inning AB's on the entire flight to Atlanta (including on the bus rides and in the hotel).

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:29 PM
I know Halton made the catch but watching Gomez get a break on that ball and close in towards it was pretty amazing.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:30 PM
Cozart and Frazier should be forced to watch Choo, Votto, DatDude and Bruce's 7th inning AB's on the entire flight to Atlanta (including on the bus rides and in the hotel).

We are on the same page....same paragraph...same word

757690
07-10-2013, 04:30 PM
Halton seems to have gone to the Adam Dunn school of fielding.

Falcon7
07-10-2013, 04:31 PM
Shell, Exxon, Hess;)

Hess? Gulf, Texaco, Phillips 66, Sinclair.

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:31 PM
Choo with a nice grab

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 04:35 PM
Looks like the Leakester is getting stronger as the game goes on!

klw
07-10-2013, 04:35 PM
Cozart and Frazier should be forced to watch Choo, Votto, DatDude and Bruce's 7th inning AB's on the entire flight to Atlanta (including on the bus rides and in the hotel).

Well I don't know that you can say BP's at bat was done with a different approach to Frazier's. On the first 4 pitches, BP went:
swinging strike
foul,
ball,
foul

Frazier went:
foul
ball
foul
fly out

While the results were different the approach was not greatly different.

reds44
07-10-2013, 04:36 PM
Mike Leake: stopper.

Who knew?

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:36 PM
Leake mows em down 1-2-3. Amazing how efficient Leake is with his pitches when he gets on a roll. 84 pitches through 7.

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 04:36 PM
Yes....but in the 6th Leake was on top of his game.

and the 7th - he just needed us to poke a stick at him

50YrRedsFan
07-10-2013, 04:36 PM
Very good starts for the Reds by Cingrani and Leake....only 7 hits allowed in the last 16 innings.

Falcon7
07-10-2013, 04:37 PM
Mike Leake: stopper.

Who knew?

I guess he pitches better when he hits like one...

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:38 PM
Well I don't know that you can say BP's at bat was done with a different approach to Frazier's. On the first 4 pitches, BP went:
swinging strike
foul,
ball,
foul

Frazier went:
foul
ball
foul
fly out

While the results were different the approach was not greatly different.

DatDude's swinging strike was incorrect it was a swing for a three run homer little league swing. But DatDude adjusted with two strikes. He's a very good contact hitter when he focuses with two strikes.

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:38 PM
Halton seems to have gone to the Adam Dunn school of fielding.

Dunn was not good in LF but I swear I never remembered him costing us a game in the OF

Mutaman
07-10-2013, 04:38 PM
Very good starts for the Reds by Cingrani and Leake....only 7 hits allowed in the last 16 innings.

True, but they are playing a triple A team.

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:39 PM
Does Magna Cum Laude from Bowling Green make you "smart". Jim Day is impressed however ;)

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:40 PM
Is Brett Badenhop really the Rich Dad Poor Dad dude??

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 04:41 PM
True, but they are playing a triple A team.
Jean Segura, Jonathan Lucroy, Carlos Gomez, and Rickie Weeks with Ryan Braun playing yesterday would make for a pretty good AAA team.

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:42 PM
Welsh is playing chess and Day is in his own playland world in the booth today. Welsh's financial security plan was a good one and Leake's hustle on that chopper would be good for DatDude to watch a hundred zillion times.

50YrRedsFan
07-10-2013, 04:43 PM
Leake with only 1 RBI this year. We could use the Leake from a couple of years ago to help this offense.

reds44
07-10-2013, 04:43 PM
Choo 3-4. Great to see.

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:44 PM
Lazy pop up to RF. Guess who :eek:

Tom Servo
07-10-2013, 04:44 PM
stellar 0-4 day for Cozart.

Kc61
07-10-2013, 04:44 PM
Grounder to left side, pop up to right.

50YrRedsFan
07-10-2013, 04:45 PM
Choo with 3 hits, but Cozart negates them with 4 outs.

NebraskaRed
07-10-2013, 04:45 PM
I'm a little late on this, but did Cozart actually get a walk? like, that's something that really happened in a real game?

Kc61
07-10-2013, 04:45 PM
stellar 0-4 day for Cozart.

Misleading. He walked. I saw it.

oregonred
07-10-2013, 04:45 PM
Grounder to left side, pop up to right.

That might fit on the back of his uniform. I laugh everytime you post that line...

Red Raindog
07-10-2013, 04:45 PM
Choo 3-4. Great to see.

Cozart manages to hit his pop up to 2nd all the way into shallow right -- can a hot streak be far behind?

Ironman92
07-10-2013, 04:45 PM
Leake mows em down 1-2-3. Amazing how efficient Leake is with his pitches when he gets on a roll. 84 pitches through 7.

This is why it frustrated me a bit last time out when he didn't have his best stuff but had only 70 pitches thru 5 inn and with a runner on 1st and 2 outs and Dusty PH down 4-0 in the 5th.....but each of the next 3 days in similar scenarios but more pitches and more chance of the runner scoring and Dusty stayed with the starter (which I completely agree with).....but he just will not trust Leake nearly as much as even Bronson or Homer.