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Kiko
07-21-2013, 12:06 PM
Pirates

Marte
Snider
McCutchen
Alvarez
Jones
McKenry
Mercer
Barmes
Locke

Reds

Choo
Heisey
Votto
Phillips
Bruce
Frazier
Cozart
Miller
Bailey

Ironman92
07-21-2013, 12:31 PM
Yay

NebraskaRed
07-21-2013, 12:50 PM
http://mlblogsramsey.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/img_6063.jpg

"This computer said I was in the lineup today"

mth123
07-21-2013, 12:55 PM
Jeff Locke a lefty with a 2.15 ERA in 109 IP. His k/9 is only 6.0, his BB/9 is a high 3.9. He has a .231 BABIP with a 4.6% HR/FB ratio. Today is the day it catches up to him.:thumbup:

Kc61
07-21-2013, 01:03 PM
Sorry Mes isn't playing today. He's hitting lefties well and Reds could use every bit of offense today.

Otherwise, good lineup against this guy.

TheBigLebowski
07-21-2013, 01:08 PM
Need Bailey to be nails today.

Kiko
07-21-2013, 01:34 PM
Need Bailey to be nails today.

another no-hitter would do.

11larkin11
07-21-2013, 01:46 PM
Bailey usually dominates the Pirates, so hopefully the offense will only need a couple.

NebraskaRed
07-21-2013, 02:15 PM
Quick 1-2-3 inning for Bailey.

NebraskaRed
07-21-2013, 02:18 PM
Choo now with a 15-game hitting streak

mth123
07-21-2013, 02:20 PM
It doesn't matter who they are, when a guy comes to the Reds, he forgets how to run the bases. Been that way for 10 years at least.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 02:20 PM
Why this team attempts to steal against LHers as often as they do, I don't know.

Kiko
07-21-2013, 02:21 PM
That was a close play on the steal. Choo probably would have been safe with a hook slide.

dougdirt
07-21-2013, 02:23 PM
I still don't understand why teams try to steal in front of their best hitters. Why risk it? The best hitters can drive guys in from first. Steal in front of the guys that can't hit, the base/out risk may actually be worth it.

Ironman92
07-21-2013, 02:27 PM
Far

KittyDuran
07-21-2013, 02:29 PM
There goes the no-hitter ... And next batter gets a single... :(

LexRedsFan
07-21-2013, 02:31 PM
Is this the first time this series the Pirates have led?

NebraskaRed
07-21-2013, 02:33 PM
Is this the first time this series the Pirates have led?

Yep

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 02:33 PM
With Reds sporting a MLB-worst 54% success rate in SB, I'm thinking they shouldn't bother at all, regardless of batting order or handed ness of the pitcher. Lord, I didn't know it was that bad.

Tom Servo
07-21-2013, 02:43 PM
Reds go 1-2-3 in the 2nd.

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 02:47 PM
Pirates's first batter in the 3rd is on with a base hit.

Kc61
07-21-2013, 02:47 PM
Good that Bailey didn't allow men on base before the homer. Bad that Reds don't see to hit home runs anymore.

Playadlc
07-21-2013, 02:48 PM
Locke is going to regress something fierce here soon. I hope it starts today.

Kc61
07-21-2013, 02:49 PM
With Reds sporting a MLB-worst 54% success rate in SB, I'm thinking they shouldn't bother at all, regardless of batting order or handed ness of the pitcher. Lord, I didn't know it was that bad.

I don't mind if Derrick Robinson tries a steal here and there. He's very fast. But they run with Choo much too much.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 02:50 PM
Locke is going to regress something fierce here soon. I hope it starts today.

He will, but I don't think it's going to be the crash landing that folks suspect. His stuff is for real, and the home run ball isn't what it used to be.

RedsManRick
07-21-2013, 02:50 PM
Homer finding that extra velocity has really allowed him to be effective up in the zone.

Mutaman
07-21-2013, 02:51 PM
Amazing how last year we played great fundamental baseball and never beat ourselves. This year, not so much.

Playadlc
07-21-2013, 02:54 PM
Great pitching there to McCutchen.

NebraskaRed
07-21-2013, 02:55 PM
Homer's looking pretty good today (despite the one mistake last inning)

bleedsred
07-21-2013, 02:55 PM
Nice strategy having Locke on the base paths all inning....:D

Kc61
07-21-2013, 02:57 PM
He will, but I don't think it's going to be the crash landing that folks suspect. His stuff is for real, and the home run ball isn't what it used to be.

The home run ball still counts as at least one run for the hitting team. Without a lot of mess. Pirates are hitting them, the Reds might try one or two.

RED VAN HOT
07-21-2013, 02:59 PM
Homer's looking pretty good today (despite the one mistake last inning)

True, but 50 pitches through 3 is not going to save the bullpen. Given usage in last two days and 11 games in the next 10 days, that is important.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 03:00 PM
The home run ball still counts as at least one run for the hitting team. Without a lot of mess. Pirates are hitting them, the Reds might try one or two.

I don't think I was clear. The arg. is that Locke has too low HR rate, and that it's bound to correct. It will, but not as dramatically as it would 10 years ago.

Kiko
07-21-2013, 03:01 PM
True, but 50 pitches through 3 is not going to save the bullpen. Given usage in last two days and 11 games in the next 10 days, that is important.

I expect we'll see Partch today.

Ironman92
07-21-2013, 03:05 PM
Here's a thought for all free swingers (Heisey, Bruce, Frazier, BP...bench)...if strike 1 is a pinpoint strike on the corner....the next pitch is going to look just like that pitch.....but fall to the dirt.

Hope this helps.

Ironman92
07-21-2013, 03:06 PM
This guy is a good pitcher.

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 03:09 PM
Reds offense in hiding again?...1 run and 7 hits in the last 11 innings.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 03:09 PM
This guy is a good pitcher.

I agree. He's impressed me more than Cole (so far). He has good stuff and Leake like savvy (minus Leake's control).

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 03:11 PM
Dodgers pounding Wash again, 6-0, 2nd inning. Dodgers can be in first after today if AZ loses.

Kc61
07-21-2013, 03:12 PM
I don't think I was clear. The arg. is that Locke has too low HR rate, and that it's bound to correct. It will, but not as dramatically as it would 10 years ago.

Sorry, didn't understand your point. I don't know much about Locke so I have no view on it.

But here is something I do have a view on. Corky Miller has been a great organization guy for the Reds. But it is inconceivable that he is playing this game.

Not sure if Mesoraco's back was acting up, but against the main competitors you have to have 8 hitters in the lineup.

The Reds really messed up the catcher position this season. Given Hanigan's wear and tear and given Mes' relative lack of experience, this team needed to have a Navarro type in the wings.

I hope Corky proves me wrong and hits two grand slams today. But c'mon, Walt.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 03:12 PM
Dodgers pounding Wash again, 6-0, 2nd inning. Dodgers can be in first after today if AZ loses.

NL West is a mess this season.

Playadlc
07-21-2013, 03:12 PM
99?

Playadlc
07-21-2013, 03:13 PM
And that pitch was moving.

NebraskaRed
07-21-2013, 03:13 PM
This guy is a good pitcher.

I agree. Homer Bailey sure is :)

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 03:14 PM
Sorry, didn't understand your point. I don't know much about Locke so I have no view on it.

But here is something I do have a view on. Corky Miller has been a great organization guy for the Reds. But it is inconceivable that he is playing this game.

Not sure if Mesoraco's back was acting up, but against the main competitors you have to have 8 hitters in the lineup.

The Reds really messed up the catcher position this season. Given Hanigan's wear and tear and given Mes' relative lack of experience, this team needed to have a Navarro type in the wings.

I hope Corky proves me wrong and hits two grand slams today. But c'mon, Walt.

The Reds' faith in Mesoraco was totally unwarranted IMO. That was their biggest gaffe. Definitely.

RED VAN HOT
07-21-2013, 03:15 PM
I expect we'll see Partch today.

My thoughts exactly.

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 03:15 PM
We'd sure like some runs this inning.

powersackers
07-21-2013, 03:17 PM
Just started watching. Have we hit a ball hard yet?

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 03:18 PM
Bailey's season has been a little strange. His peripherals have been great, but his results (ERA) are sort of underwhelming.

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 03:18 PM
Votto just doesn't seem like the pre injury Votto. He slaps at the ball instead of trying to drive it.

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 03:19 PM
Just started watching. Have we hit a ball hard yet?

Only Choo's 1st inning single was hit decent

Kc61
07-21-2013, 03:19 PM
The Reds' faith in Mesoraco was totally unwarranted IMO. That was their biggest gaffe. Definitely.

Yeah, but you know FCB, I can live with Mes playing most of the time. He has a lot to learn IMO but his hitting isn't terrible. But Hanigan just doesn't hit anymore and Corky Miller belongs in the coaching box at this point.

I'm hung up on this, I know, sorry I've repeated this, but I don't think you can have non-hitters in an NL lineup. Maybe one non-hitter if you have six or seven excellent bats.

At minimum, Miller should have been used on the west coast and Mes today in a more head-to-head situation.

I won't keep on this, on to the next issue.

Kiko
07-21-2013, 03:20 PM
Just started watching. Have we hit a ball hard yet?

no. very lackluster on offense.

RedsBrick
07-21-2013, 03:21 PM
Bailey's season has been a little strange. His peripherals have been great, but his results (ERA) are sort of underwhelming.

Describes his career too...

Playadlc
07-21-2013, 03:21 PM
This is embarrassing stuff at the plate. That 2-0 swing by Bruce was just ridiculous.

Ironman92
07-21-2013, 03:21 PM
The 2-0 swing by Bruce may rival the worst in MLB history.

RedsBrick
07-21-2013, 03:22 PM
Hey...Jay made contact

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 03:22 PM
We'd sure like some runs this inning.
Nothing doing this inning, unfortunately. Here's hoping we can keep shutting down the Pirates's offense until something gets on the board for them.

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 03:22 PM
Padres 1-0 over Cards, top 1

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 03:23 PM
I can't get too worked up over the Reds' offense struggling against the Pirates' bullpen or Locke. That just seems like complaining to complain. It's when guys like Westbrook muzzle them for 8 shut out innings that I wanna claw my throat.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 03:24 PM
Describes his career too...

Sort of. Though early on he had control problems that accounted for some of it.

NebraskaRed
07-21-2013, 03:26 PM
It's gonna be a free pizza day.

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 03:26 PM
Homer has 8 K's already.

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 03:32 PM
Flyout to center end the inning and the Pirates still only have one run. Come on, Reds!

NebraskaRed
07-21-2013, 03:33 PM
Only 4 hits total so far in this game.

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 03:34 PM
Bailey with 9 K's, given up only 3 hits and 1 run through 5. Another great outing.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 03:35 PM
Only 4 hits total so far in this game.

Lots of hackin on a getaway day.

RedsBrick
07-21-2013, 03:35 PM
The Todd could tie it with a swing

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2013, 03:36 PM
Frazier grounds out to 2nd.

RedsBrick
07-21-2013, 03:37 PM
He could also ground out to 2nd

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2013, 03:38 PM
4 pitch walk to Cozart

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 03:38 PM
Good show there by Cozart to get the four pitch walk.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 03:38 PM
The hacking approach plays right into Locke's hands, unfortunately. His weak spot is his control.

kbrake
07-21-2013, 03:41 PM
Locke getting some big help from the ump on that 2-0 pitch. That is terrible.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 03:42 PM
If Miller reaches do you pinch hit?

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 03:42 PM
And now Miller takes a walk! Reds with a real chance here.

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2013, 03:42 PM
Another walk as Corky walks

Tom Servo
07-21-2013, 03:43 PM
If Miller reaches do you pinch hit?
Corky walks. I bet Dusty bunts with Homer.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 03:43 PM
Here comes out 2. Ugh.

NebraskaRed
07-21-2013, 03:43 PM
Corky looks like he needed to go for a walk anyway

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2013, 03:44 PM
Perfect bunt by Homer. 2nd and 3rd.

schroomytunes
07-21-2013, 03:44 PM
I'm getting bored with Frazier....will he ever hit????

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 03:44 PM
Good job, perfect bunt.

kbrake
07-21-2013, 03:44 PM
If Miller reaches do you pinch hit?

If there was a decent RH bat on the bench it would have at least been a tougher decision.

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 03:45 PM
I would have let Bailey swing there.

joshua
07-21-2013, 03:45 PM
Givin' 'way outs...

But it worked.

Hope Choo goes deep here and Locke gets taken out.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 03:45 PM
Plus Choo is an auto out vs LHP...

Tom Servo
07-21-2013, 03:45 PM
http://mlblogsramsey.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/img_6063.jpg

meant to post this earlier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZBu4mtALFo

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 03:45 PM
Tough decision there for Baker. I'm being sincere. I don't necessarily disagree with his choice.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 03:46 PM
OH JEEZ

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2013, 03:46 PM
Tie game on a wild pitch!

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 03:46 PM
And now a ball getting away works to our advantage! 1-1!

dougdirt
07-21-2013, 03:46 PM
Plus Choo is an auto out vs LHP...

Yeah, but wild pitches are awesome.

mth123
07-21-2013, 03:46 PM
We'll take it. Shades of Bob Moose.

joshua
07-21-2013, 03:46 PM
Wild pitch! 'Zart struts in to tie the game. Locke is falling apart.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 03:46 PM
Just as they drew it up

Tom Servo
07-21-2013, 03:46 PM
Just the way Dusty drew it up!

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2013, 03:47 PM
Choo pops out to 3rd. 1-1 after 5.

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 03:47 PM
And Choo flies out, but the game is tied. I'll take it.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 03:47 PM
Just the way Dusty drew it up!

Hey.

NebraskaRed
07-21-2013, 03:48 PM
haven't had a hit since the first inning, tie the game up in the 5th inning: youuuuur Cincinnati Reds

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 03:48 PM
Some patience exploits Locke's vulnerability.

joshua
07-21-2013, 03:48 PM
With the way Locke pitched the fifth, I hope they leave him in for the sixth against Heisey, Joey and BP...

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 03:49 PM
Our last 2 runs scored have been on a bases loaded walk and a wild pitch.

Brutus
07-21-2013, 03:50 PM
He will, but I don't think it's going to be the crash landing that folks suspect. His stuff is for real, and the home run ball isn't what it used to be.

I don't know what you mean by "for real," but it's really not all that. His SS% is a modest 7.3%, while his FIP is 3.81 and moreover his SIERA is an even less impressive 4.56.

mth123
07-21-2013, 03:50 PM
Some patience exploits Locke's vulnerability.

Takes professional hitters like Cozart and Miller to make it work.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 03:52 PM
I don't know what you mean by "for real," but it's really not all that. His SS% is a modest 7.3%, while his FIP is 3.81 and moreover his SIERA is an even less impressive 4.56.

What are average pitching numbers today? I have a surprisingly hard time finding them? Say the basic ones, ERA, K/9, BB/9

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2013, 03:53 PM
Heisey had a chance at that but the fan interferes with his cap.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 03:53 PM
OH MAN. That guy is definitely not from across the river or anything.

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2013, 03:53 PM
It doesn't matter as Bailey gets K #10

RedsBrick
07-21-2013, 03:53 PM
Nice job, Homer.

Tom Servo
07-21-2013, 03:53 PM
Bartman-esque.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 03:54 PM
I don't know what you mean by "for real," but it's really not all that. His SS% is a modest 7.3%, while his FIP is 3.81 and moreover his SIERA is an even less impressive 4.56.

I'm sure Leake's saber peripherals are pretty snoozy too. He and Locke know what they're doing when facing hitters. At least in the 4 games I've seen him pitch. The game is different now, it's no longer strikeouts and only strikeouts = effective pitcher.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 03:55 PM
Bartman-esque.

Homer? I think you meant to say "Batman-esque".

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2013, 03:55 PM
McCutchen grounds out to short

Brutus
07-21-2013, 03:56 PM
What are average pitching numbers today? I have a surprisingly hard time finding them? Say the basic ones, ERA, K/9, BB/9

The NL averages this year:

7.4 K/9
3.0 BB/9
3.84 FIP (roughly)

Locke:

6.0 K/9
3.9 BB/9
3.81 FIP

Ironman92
07-21-2013, 03:57 PM
Homer? I think you meant to say "Batman-esque".

No, the fool who interfered but didn't catch the ball but kept Heisey from catching it is Bartman-esque

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 03:58 PM
No, the fool who interfered but didn't catch the ball but kept Heisey from catching it is Bartman-esque

;)

Ironman92
07-21-2013, 03:58 PM
Borderline high fastball gets Alvarez every time

Brutus
07-21-2013, 03:58 PM
I'm sure Leake's saber peripherals are pretty snoozy too. He and Locke know what they're doing when facing hitters. At least in the 4 games I've seen him pitch. The game is different now, it's no longer strikeouts and only strikeouts = effective pitcher.

No one said strikeouts and only strikeouts matter.

But his K/BB ratio is a very, very mediocre 1.5. That's not a recipe for success.

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 03:58 PM
Alvarez is struck out! Homer Bailey with 11 Ks, and I believe that's the pizza number, right?

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 03:58 PM
11 K's is a career high for Bailey?

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2013, 03:58 PM
K #11. Career high for Bailey. Free pizza already in the 6th.

Ironman92
07-21-2013, 03:58 PM
Pizza 4 free

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 03:58 PM
Bailey at 97 pitches thru 6.

Red in Chicago
07-21-2013, 03:59 PM
Za!

Tom Servo
07-21-2013, 03:59 PM
Great job Homer!

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 03:59 PM
The NL averages this year:

7.4 K/9
3.0 BB/9
3.84 FIP (roughly)

Locke:

6.0 K/9
3.9 BB/9
3.81 FIP
Wow, average sure does look a lot different than a couple years ago

Ironman92
07-21-2013, 03:59 PM
No one said strikeouts and only strikeouts matter.

But his K/BB ratio is a very, very mediocre 1.5. That's not a recipe for success.

What was Tom Glavine's?

RedsBrick
07-21-2013, 03:59 PM
98. Gas.

Kc61
07-21-2013, 03:59 PM
On the good side, Corky catches strike three every time. Knows what he's doing back there.

NebraskaRed
07-21-2013, 03:59 PM
Homer Bailey's back-up career is being a La Rosa's delivery man

bleedsred
07-21-2013, 03:59 PM
Looks like next inning will be Homer's last since he is now almost to pitch 100...

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 04:00 PM
Can we muster a few hits this inning?

Ironman92
07-21-2013, 04:00 PM
Can we muster a few hits this inning?

Why? They are overrated.

Matt700wlw
07-21-2013, 04:01 PM
Bailey's fastball has some giddy up today. 98mph

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 04:01 PM
No one said strikeouts and only strikeouts matter.



But it is basically one of the guiding premises among the stat crowd of the last 15 years or so. How often has the concept of pitch to contact been goofed on, here and everywhere?

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 04:01 PM
Drat! Heisey blasts one, but McCutcheon has room.

dubc47834
07-21-2013, 04:01 PM
Radar gun has to be off...it had Homer at 99mph!

Brutus
07-21-2013, 04:01 PM
What was Tom Glavine's?

For his entire career, it was 1.77. But during his peak years, it was usually around or over 2.0

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2013, 04:01 PM
Heisey flied out to the track in left center

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2013, 04:02 PM
Votto with a soft line out to 2nd.

joshua
07-21-2013, 04:03 PM
Two outs on three pitches.

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 04:04 PM
And Phillips strikes out. Still 1-1 after six.

Reds Fanatic
07-21-2013, 04:04 PM
Phillips strikes out. 1-1 after 6.

joshua
07-21-2013, 04:04 PM
And the heart of our order goes down on seven pitches.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 04:04 PM
That went pretty well, I'd say.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 04:05 PM
And the heart of our order goes down on seven pitches.

Gotta a plane to catch.

Tom Servo
07-21-2013, 04:05 PM
productive inning

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 04:06 PM
A 7 pitch inning.....ridiculous. Locke walked 2 in a row and threw a WP last inning, and Heisey and Phillips go up there and hack away at first pitches. Inexcusable.

Brutus
07-21-2013, 04:06 PM
And the heart of our order goes down on seven pitches.

The pitch Heisey swung at I'd have him do every time.

Sorry but I don't subscribe to the number of pitches being the litmus test for whether plate appearances are quality. Heisey had a good pitch to hit and gave it a ride.

Votto is as patient a hitter as you'll find, so when he swings early, it's probably for a very good reason.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 04:07 PM
A 7 pitch inning.....ridiculous. Locke walked 2 in a row and threw a WP last inning, and Heisey and Phillips go up there and hack away at first pitches. Inexcusable.

Heisey nearly drove one out of the park. Wasn't the worst decision there.

Tom Servo
07-21-2013, 04:08 PM
I probably wouldn't be sending Homer out there here in the 7th, but I hope I'm wrong.

joshua
07-21-2013, 04:08 PM
Giving Locke a seven pitch inning isn't a formula to driving him out of the game and getting into that bullpen. Especially considering the inning he had in the fifth.

kbrake
07-21-2013, 04:08 PM
A 7 pitch inning.....ridiculous. Locke walked 2 in a row and threw a WP last inning, and Heisey and Phillips go up there and hack away at first pitches. Inexcusable.

Heisey almost hacked one out. I get the frustration with a 7 pitch inning but if you get something you can drive get after it.

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 04:08 PM
Wow. 12 strikeouts now for Bailey.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 04:09 PM
Giving Locke a seven pitch inning isn't a formula to driving him out of the game and getting into that bullpen. Especially considering the inning he had in the fifth.

Given the context, I think patience was what the doctor ordered that inning.

mth123
07-21-2013, 04:10 PM
Giving Locke a seven pitch inning isn't a formula to driving him out of the game and getting into that bullpen. Especially considering the inning he had in the fifth.

The primary goal is still to get a pitch to drive and drive it. Heisey did that. Votto should be above question in that area.

Tom Servo
07-21-2013, 04:10 PM
McKenry looks like a fire hydrant.

Brutus
07-21-2013, 04:12 PM
McKenry looks like a fire hydrant.

Anyone feel like walking their dog right now?

Brutus
07-21-2013, 04:13 PM
Never send a padre in to do a madre's job. 3-1 Louie in the bottom of the third.

mth123
07-21-2013, 04:13 PM
McKenry is the new Bill Hall.

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 04:13 PM
McKenry doubles to the wall in center after a lonnnng at-bat.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 04:13 PM
McKenry doubles, flashes a gang sign

Brutus
07-21-2013, 04:14 PM
I'd still stick with Homer here for at least another batter.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 04:14 PM
Pull Homer already, c'mon. 113 pitches here.

Tom Servo
07-21-2013, 04:14 PM
fire hydrant - Reds Killer

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 04:15 PM
:/

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 04:15 PM
Single up the center and the Pirates have taken back the lead. I imagine that's it for Bailey.

joshua
07-21-2013, 04:16 PM
Damn. That's a tough run to make up.

Tom Servo
07-21-2013, 04:16 PM
I probably wouldn't be sending Homer out there here in the 7th, but I hope I'm wrong.
I warned ye.

kbrake
07-21-2013, 04:16 PM
I think one person voiced that Homer should be removed. Now ready for 8 people to start claiming how stupid Dusty ruined the game and they would have pulled him cause it was obvious he would lose it.

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 04:16 PM
Bailey's staying in? Okkkay.....

RedsBrick
07-21-2013, 04:17 PM
I probably wouldn't be sending Homer out there here in the 7th, but I hope I'm wrong.

You weren't wrong.

Brutus
07-21-2013, 04:17 PM
I warned ye.

He had struck out three of the last four batters prior to the double. Not sure the warning had much substance to it.

Krawhitham
07-21-2013, 04:17 PM
Dusty trying to destroy another arm?

RiverRat13
07-21-2013, 04:17 PM
I don't mind Homer staying in that last batter. I'd get him now when he's at 117 pitches.

reds1869
07-21-2013, 04:17 PM
OK, time to roll up a double play ball. Homer has pitched well today but doesn't have much left to give.

Brutus
07-21-2013, 04:18 PM
Dusty trying to destroy another arm?

Oh, for crying out loud.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 04:18 PM
Are we trying to run Homer up into a Mark Prior game?

mth123
07-21-2013, 04:18 PM
I think one person voiced that Homer should be removed. Now ready for 8 people to start claiming how stupid Dusty ruined the game and they would have pulled him cause it was obvious he would lose it.

Not me. I'd rather have Bailey with 117 pitches than anyone in that pen not named Aroldis in a close game.

RedsBrick
07-21-2013, 04:18 PM
Sweet little ninja move by the Corkster

joshua
07-21-2013, 04:18 PM
Oh good lord.

Stray
07-21-2013, 04:19 PM
Tough luck there

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 04:19 PM
Ok, we're unraveling. Pull Homer, Dusty.

reds1869
07-21-2013, 04:19 PM
Well, that didn't go well.

joshua
07-21-2013, 04:19 PM
PULL HIM!!!

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 04:19 PM
Now 3-1. And now Dusty's out there.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 04:20 PM
DAMMIT!

What did you think was going to happen???

reds1869
07-21-2013, 04:20 PM
Dusty finally has mercy on Homer. Great effort by Bailey this afternoon, too bad it ended the way it did.

Tom Servo
07-21-2013, 04:20 PM
The slow hook haunts.

joshua
07-21-2013, 04:21 PM
This is one clumsy inning.

dougdirt
07-21-2013, 04:22 PM
From C Trent

That's it for Homer. And here come the boos…

I really hope the boos weren't for Homer.

Reds Freak
07-21-2013, 04:22 PM
Just listening on the radio. Were any of the hits hard besides the double? Don't blame Dusty because Clint Barmes hit an IF single...

Stray
07-21-2013, 04:22 PM
Was cozart covering second when they started the runner? Looked like a dp off the bat...maybe he was just shaded up the middle

bleedsred
07-21-2013, 04:22 PM
Dusty sends for a Hoover to clean up this mess....

Reds Freak
07-21-2013, 04:23 PM
From C Trent

That's it for Homer. And here come the boos…

I really hope the boos weren't for Homer.

Boos? Sounded like he got a big cheer.

Stray
07-21-2013, 04:23 PM
That last one was a line drive...the two before were ground balls

Hollcat
07-21-2013, 04:24 PM
The ground ball single that Phillips dove for that McKenry scored on was hit hard.

mth123
07-21-2013, 04:24 PM
Homer got 2 ground balls to the MI. One snuck through for an RBI the other wasn't converted into an out. Homer didn't exactly melt down out there.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 04:24 PM
I really dislike the way the Reds play getaway games. This game wasn't a must win, but given the likelihood of losing the first game on a west coast trip (pretty much been the pattern of my entire life), gaining as many games,against the team in front of you when you can is probably the best outcome.

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 04:25 PM
This game is strictly on the offense.

dougdirt
07-21-2013, 04:26 PM
From C Trent

That's it for Homer. And here come the boos…

I really hope the boos weren't for Homer.

Again from C Trent

Bailey was cheered coming off the field, FWIW. Boos came after the hit, and then when Dusty came on the field

Brutus
07-21-2013, 04:26 PM
This game is strictly on the offense.

I'm sure that will come as a relief to the 12 members of the pitching staff that you have let them off the hook for this loss. They'll sleep well tonight :)

Kc61
07-21-2013, 04:26 PM
Homer got 2 ground balls to the MI. One snuck through for an RBI the other wasn't converted into an out. Homer didn't exactly melt down out there.

C'mon.

After the McHenry double Homer looked drenched and gassed. Hoover has good stuff, it seemed obvious that he should have been removed.

Then the next guy gets an RBI single and Homer STILL stays out there.

IMO that was a clear case of letting the starter stay out there too long.

I'm watching on my computer on a delay, so it's hard to post today, but Dusty messed that up IMO.

Stray
07-21-2013, 04:26 PM
I really dislike the way the Reds play getaway games. This game wasn't a must win, but given the likelihood of losing the first game on a west coast trip (pretty much been the pattern of my entire life), gaining as many games,against the team in front of you when you can is probably the best outcome.

Other than corky we have our a-team out there.

50YrRedsFan
07-21-2013, 04:26 PM
I really dislike the way the Reds play getaway games. This game wasn't a must win, but given the likelihood of losing the first game on a west coast trip (pretty much been the pattern of my entire life), gaining as many games,against the team in front of you when you can is probably the best outcome.

And with the Cards winning, we may lose the game we gained yesterday.

bleedsred
07-21-2013, 04:27 PM
God Bless America indeed....

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 04:28 PM
Other than corky we have our a-team out there.

Right, but they've been getaway hacking all day. It's a pretty evident pattern.

joshua
07-21-2013, 04:28 PM
My farts sound better than this girl singing God Bless America in a Pee Wee Herman voice.

Brutus
07-21-2013, 04:28 PM
C'mon.

After the McHenry double Homer looked drenched and gassed. Hoover has good stuff, it seemed obvious that he should have been removed.

Then the next guy gets an RBI single and Homer STILL stays out there.

IMO that was a clear case of letting the starter stay out there too long.

I'm watching on my computer on a delay, so it's hard to post today, but Dusty messed that up IMO.

You typically spook anytime a pitcher goes past 75 pitches.

I saw no signs of Homer tiring. He was still throwing strikes, had pretty good velocity, good movement and was mostly hitting his spots.

RiverRat13
07-21-2013, 04:28 PM
I'd take a 12-1 K:BB ratio from Homer the rest of the year. Think that is asking too much?

Matt700wlw
07-21-2013, 04:28 PM
And with the Cards winning, we may lose the game we gained yesterday.

That kind of sums up the season...

Kc61
07-21-2013, 04:28 PM
And with the Cards winning, we may lose the game we gained yesterday.

I have few problems with Baker but this is one.

It's like the playoff games.

He doesn't use his pitchers with urgency.

That guy McHenry had a great at bat, ten pitches. Trust Hoover. He's been red hot lately.

This is a pretty big game IMO.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 04:30 PM
Hell, I'm a Baker booster, and I know he blew that call.

Kc61
07-21-2013, 04:31 PM
You typically spook anytime a pitcher goes past 75 pitches.

I saw no signs of Homer tiring. He was still throwing strikes, had pretty good velocity, good movement and was mostly hitting his spots.

Once again a personal comment. Man, you should post on "Being Offensive Zone."

You're right, of course, Homer was great after that McHenry at bat. He was in full command. What's the score, genius?

Brutus
07-21-2013, 04:31 PM
Hell, I'm a Baker booster, and I think he blew that call.

FIFY

RedsBrick
07-21-2013, 04:32 PM
Dusty finally has mercy on Homer. Great effort by Bailey this afternoon, too bad it ended the way it did.

Yep, pitched better than what's he's going to get.

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 04:33 PM
And a walk to start the Reds's 7th. Pitching change for the Pirates.

Ironman92
07-21-2013, 04:33 PM
McHenry had possibly a game winning AB (playoff like).....finally on pitch #113 he smokes a ball into the gap.....I woulda bet the house that was it. Was Dusty showing great trust in Homer or being a player's manager and trying to get Homer a chance for the win?

We'll never know but I'd brought in relief then and there.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 04:33 PM
FIFY

When a modern day pitcher reaches 120 pitches and gives up a ringing double, and the game is tied? I know EXACTLY what you do in that situation.

Brutus
07-21-2013, 04:33 PM
Once again a personal comment. Man, you should post on "Being Offensive Zone."

You're right, of course, Homer was great after that McHenry at bat. He was in full command. What's the score, genius?

You're offended by me saying you spook easy but reply with this condescending remark and I'm the one that should post on "being offensive zone?"

If you're offended by someone saying you spook easy, then don't spook easy. It wasn't mean as an offensive comment, it was simply a commentary that you do have a habit of worrying the second pitchers give up a hit over 75 pitches. At least own up to your thoughts. They aren't mean to be offensive, but just own them.

Just some helpful advice from a "genius."

Ironman92
07-21-2013, 04:34 PM
CIFML

FIFY

Kc61
07-21-2013, 04:35 PM
You're offended by me saying you spook easy but reply with this condescending remark and I'm the one that should post on "being offensive zone?"

If you're offended by someone saying you spook easy, then don't spook easy. It wasn't mean as an offensive comment, it was simply a commentary that you do have a habit of worrying the second pitchers give up a hit over 75 pitches. At least own up to your thoughts. They aren't mean to be offensive, but just own them.

My personal posting habits are not a proper subject for RedsZone. Post on the merits of the subject at hand.

PuffyPig
07-21-2013, 04:35 PM
Homer was still throwing gas out there.

A couple of ground balls (there first was charitably called a hit) let to his downfall. It's not like anything was smoked out there.

It didn't work out, but IMO Homer was as likely to get out of the jam as anyone in the pen who was likely to be used.

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 04:37 PM
Homer was still throwing gas out there.

A couple of ground balls (there first was charitably called a hit) let to his downfall. It's not like anything was smoked out there.

It didn't work out, but IMO Homer was as likely to get out of the jam as anyone in the pen who was likely to be used.

I would agree had he been at 95 or 100 pitches. Not at 120. Lot of pitching left to do for Homer this season.

Ironman92
07-21-2013, 04:37 PM
Homer was still throwing gas out there.

A couple of ground balls (there first was charitably called a hit) let to his downfall. It's not like anything was smoked out there.

It didn't work out, but IMO Homer was as likely to get out of the jam as anyone in the pen who was likely to be used.

If the ground ball wasn't hit hard.....then why didn't Phillips get to it? If the line drive that tipped off of Phillips glove wasn't hit hard....why didn't he catch it?

ProfessorTofty
07-21-2013, 04:37 PM
Darn. Hard hit to center, but again fails to get out.

Brutus
07-21-2013, 04:37 PM
My personal posting habits are not a proper subject for RedsZone. Post on the merits of the subject at hand.

They're relevant when contextualizing your opinion. But I appreciate your deciding what is and isn't relevant for Redzone.

joshua
07-21-2013, 04:38 PM
We could use a break here.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 04:38 PM
When is the last time Frazier homered?

Ironman92
07-21-2013, 04:39 PM
When is the last time Frazier homered?

2006 (May)

GAC
07-21-2013, 04:40 PM
When was the last time Homer fraziered?

schroomytunes
07-21-2013, 04:40 PM
I hate to dog a player.....but Frazier is downright horrible the last two months!!

Kiko
07-21-2013, 04:42 PM
why not Mez here since he took down Paul?

Stray
07-21-2013, 04:42 PM
swing for the fences

GAC
07-21-2013, 04:42 PM
BP's June and July ain't nothing to crow about either.

Matt700wlw
07-21-2013, 04:43 PM
The wheels are turning. Pitching changes, pinch hitters, lefty/righty match ups

NebraskaRed
07-21-2013, 04:43 PM
When was the last time Homer fraziered?

I believe Homer fraziered 3 times today, but one was a sacrifice frazier.

Matt700wlw
07-21-2013, 04:43 PM
That failed miserably

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 04:43 PM
Didn't Soto get one AB the last time he was up?

schroomytunes
07-21-2013, 04:44 PM
But BP is still driving in runs, and hasn't been horrible, Frazier screams out machine!!!!

Falls City Beer
07-21-2013, 04:45 PM
But BP is still driving in runs, and hasn't been horrible, Frazier screams out machine!!!!

Frazier and Phillips have the same OPS. There are a number of uninspiring bats on the Reds roster.

Kiko
07-21-2013, 04:46 PM
Mez is coming in to catch so I don't understand why dusty would use Soto there instead of Mez. I know Soto hits lefties well but this is the majors. Mez might not have done anything but we'll never know.

mth123
07-21-2013, 04:47 PM
On the bright side, the Pirates are out of lefty's and the Reds' big three of Choo, Votto and Bruce (not so big right now) should get one more shot.

mth123
07-21-2013, 04:49 PM
Hope rebuilding teams with a bat are watching Hoover.

Wonderful Monds
07-21-2013, 04:52 PM
Welch getting snippy with Thom :lol:

Kc61
07-21-2013, 04:52 PM
They're relevant when contextualizing your opinion. But I appreciate your deciding what is and isn't relevant for Redzone.

I really could not care less what you or anyone else thinks is "relevant."

Your personal comments are rude, uncalled for and violate every notion on this site of what is proper posting.

I suggest you try and make your points in a more civil manner.

RiverRat13
07-21-2013, 04:53 PM
Nice job by Hoover.

Kc61
07-21-2013, 04:56 PM
I note that Matt Harvey threw 112 pitches today in a brilliant outing. This after two innings in the all star game Tuesday night.

Sure sorry his blisters or whatever bothered Matt so much that he couldn't face the Pirates last weekend.