Reds vs. Pirates 7/21/2013

[Kiko]

Pirates

Marte
Snider
McCutchen
Alvarez
Jones
McKenry
Mercer
Barmes
Locke

Reds

Choo
Heisey
Votto
Phillips
Bruce
Frazier
Cozart
Miller
Bailey

[Ironman92]

Yay

[NebraskaRed]

http://mlblogsramsey.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/img_6063.jpg

"This computer said I was in the lineup today"

[mth123]

Jeff Locke a lefty with a 2.15 ERA in 109 IP. His k/9 is only 6.0, his BB/9 is a high 3.9. He has a .231 BABIP with a 4.6% HR/FB ratio. Today is the day it catches up to him.:thumbup:

[Kc61]

Sorry Mes isn't playing today. He's hitting lefties well and Reds could use every bit of offense today.

Otherwise, good lineup against this guy.

[TheBigLebowski]

Need Bailey to be nails today.

[Kiko]

Need Bailey to be nails today.

another no-hitter would do.

[11larkin11]

Bailey usually dominates the Pirates, so hopefully the offense will only need a couple.

[NebraskaRed]

Quick 1-2-3 inning for Bailey.

[NebraskaRed]

Choo now with a 15-game hitting streak

[mth123]

It doesn't matter who they are, when a guy comes to the Reds, he forgets how to run the bases. Been that way for 10 years at least.

[Falls City Beer]

Why this team attempts to steal against LHers as often as they do, I don't know.

[Kiko]

That was a close play on the steal. Choo probably would have been safe with a hook slide.

[dougdirt]

I still don't understand why teams try to steal in front of their best hitters. Why risk it? The best hitters can drive guys in from first. Steal in front of the guys that can't hit, the base/out risk may actually be worth it.

[Ironman92]

Far

[KittyDuran]

There goes the no-hitter ... And next batter gets a single... :(

[LexRedsFan]

Is this the first time this series the Pirates have led?

[NebraskaRed]

Is this the first time this series the Pirates have led?

Yep

[Falls City Beer]

With Reds sporting a MLB-worst 54% success rate in SB, I'm thinking they shouldn't bother at all, regardless of batting order or handed ness of the pitcher. Lord, I didn't know it was that bad.

[Tom Servo]

Reds go 1-2-3 in the 2nd.

[ProfessorTofty]

Pirates's first batter in the 3rd is on with a base hit.

[Kc61]

Good that Bailey didn't allow men on base before the homer. Bad that Reds don't see to hit home runs anymore.

[Playadlc]

Locke is going to regress something fierce here soon. I hope it starts today.

[Kc61]

With Reds sporting a MLB-worst 54% success rate in SB, I'm thinking they shouldn't bother at all, regardless of batting order or handed ness of the pitcher. Lord, I didn't know it was that bad.

I don't mind if Derrick Robinson tries a steal here and there. He's very fast. But they run with Choo much too much.

[Falls City Beer]

Locke is going to regress something fierce here soon. I hope it starts today.

He will, but I don't think it's going to be the crash landing that folks suspect. His stuff is for real, and the home run ball isn't what it used to be.

[RedsManRick]

Homer finding that extra velocity has really allowed him to be effective up in the zone.

[Mutaman]

Amazing how last year we played great fundamental baseball and never beat ourselves. This year, not so much.

[Playadlc]

Great pitching there to McCutchen.

[NebraskaRed]

Homer's looking pretty good today (despite the one mistake last inning)

[bleedsred]

Nice strategy having Locke on the base paths all inning....:D

[Kc61]

He will, but I don't think it's going to be the crash landing that folks suspect. His stuff is for real, and the home run ball isn't what it used to be.

The home run ball still counts as at least one run for the hitting team. Without a lot of mess. Pirates are hitting them, the Reds might try one or two.

[RED VAN HOT]

Homer's looking pretty good today (despite the one mistake last inning)

True, but 50 pitches through 3 is not going to save the bullpen. Given usage in last two days and 11 games in the next 10 days, that is important.

[Falls City Beer]

The home run ball still counts as at least one run for the hitting team. Without a lot of mess. Pirates are hitting them, the Reds might try one or two.

I don't think I was clear. The arg. is that Locke has too low HR rate, and that it's bound to correct. It will, but not as dramatically as it would 10 years ago.

[Kiko]

True, but 50 pitches through 3 is not going to save the bullpen. Given usage in last two days and 11 games in the next 10 days, that is important.

I expect we'll see Partch today.

[Ironman92]

Here's a thought for all free swingers (Heisey, Bruce, Frazier, BP...bench)...if strike 1 is a pinpoint strike on the corner....the next pitch is going to look just like that pitch.....but fall to the dirt.

Hope this helps.

[Ironman92]

This guy is a good pitcher.

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds offense in hiding again?...1 run and 7 hits in the last 11 innings.

[Falls City Beer]

This guy is a good pitcher.

I agree. He's impressed me more than Cole (so far). He has good stuff and Leake like savvy (minus Leake's control).

[50YrRedsFan]

Dodgers pounding Wash again, 6-0, 2nd inning. Dodgers can be in first after today if AZ loses.

[Kc61]

I don't think I was clear. The arg. is that Locke has too low HR rate, and that it's bound to correct. It will, but not as dramatically as it would 10 years ago.

Sorry, didn't understand your point. I don't know much about Locke so I have no view on it.

But here is something I do have a view on. Corky Miller has been a great organization guy for the Reds. But it is inconceivable that he is playing this game.

Not sure if Mesoraco's back was acting up, but against the main competitors you have to have 8 hitters in the lineup.

The Reds really messed up the catcher position this season. Given Hanigan's wear and tear and given Mes' relative lack of experience, this team needed to have a Navarro type in the wings.

I hope Corky proves me wrong and hits two grand slams today. But c'mon, Walt.

[Falls City Beer]

Dodgers pounding Wash again, 6-0, 2nd inning. Dodgers can be in first after today if AZ loses.

NL West is a mess this season.

[Playadlc]

99?

[Playadlc]

And that pitch was moving.

[NebraskaRed]

This guy is a good pitcher.

I agree. Homer Bailey sure is :)

[Falls City Beer]

Sorry, didn't understand your point. I don't know much about Locke so I have no view on it.

But here is something I do have a view on. Corky Miller has been a great organization guy for the Reds. But it is inconceivable that he is playing this game.

Not sure if Mesoraco's back was acting up, but against the main competitors you have to have 8 hitters in the lineup.

The Reds really messed up the catcher position this season. Given Hanigan's wear and tear and given Mes' relative lack of experience, this team needed to have a Navarro type in the wings.

I hope Corky proves me wrong and hits two grand slams today. But c'mon, Walt.

The Reds' faith in Mesoraco was totally unwarranted IMO. That was their biggest gaffe. Definitely.

[RED VAN HOT]

I expect we'll see Partch today.

My thoughts exactly.

[50YrRedsFan]

We'd sure like some runs this inning.

[powersackers]

Just started watching. Have we hit a ball hard yet?

[Falls City Beer]

Bailey's season has been a little strange. His peripherals have been great, but his results (ERA) are sort of underwhelming.

[50YrRedsFan]

Votto just doesn't seem like the pre injury Votto. He slaps at the ball instead of trying to drive it.

[50YrRedsFan]

Just started watching. Have we hit a ball hard yet?

Only Choo's 1st inning single was hit decent

[Kc61]

The Reds' faith in Mesoraco was totally unwarranted IMO. That was their biggest gaffe. Definitely.

Yeah, but you know FCB, I can live with Mes playing most of the time. He has a lot to learn IMO but his hitting isn't terrible. But Hanigan just doesn't hit anymore and Corky Miller belongs in the coaching box at this point.

I'm hung up on this, I know, sorry I've repeated this, but I don't think you can have non-hitters in an NL lineup. Maybe one non-hitter if you have six or seven excellent bats.

At minimum, Miller should have been used on the west coast and Mes today in a more head-to-head situation.

I won't keep on this, on to the next issue.

[Kiko]

Just started watching. Have we hit a ball hard yet?

no. very lackluster on offense.

[RedsBrick]

Bailey's season has been a little strange. His peripherals have been great, but his results (ERA) are sort of underwhelming.

Describes his career too...

[Playadlc]

This is embarrassing stuff at the plate. That 2-0 swing by Bruce was just ridiculous.

[Ironman92]

The 2-0 swing by Bruce may rival the worst in MLB history.

[RedsBrick]

Hey...Jay made contact

[ProfessorTofty]

We'd sure like some runs this inning.
Nothing doing this inning, unfortunately. Here's hoping we can keep shutting down the Pirates's offense until something gets on the board for them.

[50YrRedsFan]

Padres 1-0 over Cards, top 1

[Falls City Beer]

I can't get too worked up over the Reds' offense struggling against the Pirates' bullpen or Locke. That just seems like complaining to complain. It's when guys like Westbrook muzzle them for 8 shut out innings that I wanna claw my throat.

[Falls City Beer]

Describes his career too...

Sort of. Though early on he had control problems that accounted for some of it.

[NebraskaRed]

It's gonna be a free pizza day.

[50YrRedsFan]

Homer has 8 K's already.

[ProfessorTofty]

Flyout to center end the inning and the Pirates still only have one run. Come on, Reds!

[NebraskaRed]

Only 4 hits total so far in this game.

[50YrRedsFan]

Bailey with 9 K's, given up only 3 hits and 1 run through 5. Another great outing.

[Falls City Beer]

Only 4 hits total so far in this game.

Lots of hackin on a getaway day.

[RedsBrick]

The Todd could tie it with a swing

[Reds Fanatic]

Frazier grounds out to 2nd.

[RedsBrick]

He could also ground out to 2nd

[Reds Fanatic]

4 pitch walk to Cozart

[ProfessorTofty]

Good show there by Cozart to get the four pitch walk.

[Falls City Beer]

The hacking approach plays right into Locke's hands, unfortunately. His weak spot is his control.

[kbrake]

Locke getting some big help from the ump on that 2-0 pitch. That is terrible.

[Falls City Beer]

If Miller reaches do you pinch hit?

[ProfessorTofty]

And now Miller takes a walk! Reds with a real chance here.

[Reds Fanatic]

Another walk as Corky walks

[Tom Servo]

If Miller reaches do you pinch hit?
Corky walks. I bet Dusty bunts with Homer.

[Wonderful Monds]

Here comes out 2. Ugh.

[NebraskaRed]

Corky looks like he needed to go for a walk anyway

[Reds Fanatic]

Perfect bunt by Homer. 2nd and 3rd.

[schroomytunes]

I'm getting bored with Frazier....will he ever hit????

[ProfessorTofty]

Good job, perfect bunt.

[kbrake]

If Miller reaches do you pinch hit?

If there was a decent RH bat on the bench it would have at least been a tougher decision.

[50YrRedsFan]

I would have let Bailey swing there.

[joshua]

Givin' 'way outs...

But it worked.

Hope Choo goes deep here and Locke gets taken out.

[Wonderful Monds]

Plus Choo is an auto out vs LHP...

[Tom Servo]

http://mlblogsramsey.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/img_6063.jpg

meant to post this earlier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZBu4mtALFo

[Falls City Beer]

Tough decision there for Baker. I'm being sincere. I don't necessarily disagree with his choice.

[Wonderful Monds]

OH JEEZ

[Reds Fanatic]

Tie game on a wild pitch!

[ProfessorTofty]

And now a ball getting away works to our advantage! 1-1!

[dougdirt]

Plus Choo is an auto out vs LHP...

Yeah, but wild pitches are awesome.

[mth123]

We'll take it. Shades of Bob Moose.

[joshua]

Wild pitch! 'Zart struts in to tie the game. Locke is falling apart.

[Wonderful Monds]

Just as they drew it up

[Tom Servo]

Just the way Dusty drew it up!

[Reds Fanatic]

Choo pops out to 3rd. 1-1 after 5.

[ProfessorTofty]

And Choo flies out, but the game is tied. I'll take it.

[Wonderful Monds]

Just the way Dusty drew it up!

Hey.

[NebraskaRed]

haven't had a hit since the first inning, tie the game up in the 5th inning: youuuuur Cincinnati Reds

[Falls City Beer]

Some patience exploits Locke's vulnerability.

[joshua]

With the way Locke pitched the fifth, I hope they leave him in for the sixth against Heisey, Joey and BP...

[50YrRedsFan]

Our last 2 runs scored have been on a bases loaded walk and a wild pitch.

[Brutus]

He will, but I don't think it's going to be the crash landing that folks suspect. His stuff is for real, and the home run ball isn't what it used to be.

I don't know what you mean by "for real," but it's really not all that. His SS% is a modest 7.3%, while his FIP is 3.81 and moreover his SIERA is an even less impressive 4.56.

[mth123]

Some patience exploits Locke's vulnerability.

Takes professional hitters like Cozart and Miller to make it work.

[Wonderful Monds]

I don't know what you mean by "for real," but it's really not all that. His SS% is a modest 7.3%, while his FIP is 3.81 and moreover his SIERA is an even less impressive 4.56.

What are average pitching numbers today? I have a surprisingly hard time finding them? Say the basic ones, ERA, K/9, BB/9

[Reds Fanatic]

Heisey had a chance at that but the fan interferes with his cap.

[Wonderful Monds]

OH MAN. That guy is definitely not from across the river or anything.

[Reds Fanatic]

It doesn't matter as Bailey gets K #10

[RedsBrick]

Nice job, Homer.

[Tom Servo]

Bartman-esque.

[Falls City Beer]

I don't know what you mean by "for real," but it's really not all that. His SS% is a modest 7.3%, while his FIP is 3.81 and moreover his SIERA is an even less impressive 4.56.

I'm sure Leake's saber peripherals are pretty snoozy too. He and Locke know what they're doing when facing hitters. At least in the 4 games I've seen him pitch. The game is different now, it's no longer strikeouts and only strikeouts = effective pitcher.

[Wonderful Monds]

Bartman-esque.

Homer? I think you meant to say "Batman-esque".

[Reds Fanatic]

McCutchen grounds out to short

[Brutus]

What are average pitching numbers today? I have a surprisingly hard time finding them? Say the basic ones, ERA, K/9, BB/9

The NL averages this year:

7.4 K/9
3.0 BB/9
3.84 FIP (roughly)

Locke:

6.0 K/9
3.9 BB/9
3.81 FIP

[Ironman92]

Homer? I think you meant to say "Batman-esque".

No, the fool who interfered but didn't catch the ball but kept Heisey from catching it is Bartman-esque

[Wonderful Monds]

No, the fool who interfered but didn't catch the ball but kept Heisey from catching it is Bartman-esque

;)

[Ironman92]

Borderline high fastball gets Alvarez every time

[Brutus]

I'm sure Leake's saber peripherals are pretty snoozy too. He and Locke know what they're doing when facing hitters. At least in the 4 games I've seen him pitch. The game is different now, it's no longer strikeouts and only strikeouts = effective pitcher.

No one said strikeouts and only strikeouts matter.

But his K/BB ratio is a very, very mediocre 1.5. That's not a recipe for success.

[ProfessorTofty]

Alvarez is struck out! Homer Bailey with 11 Ks, and I believe that's the pizza number, right?

[Wonderful Monds]

11 K's is a career high for Bailey?

[Reds Fanatic]

K #11. Career high for Bailey. Free pizza already in the 6th.

[Ironman92]

Pizza 4 free

[50YrRedsFan]

Bailey at 97 pitches thru 6.

[Red in Chicago]

Za!

[Tom Servo]

Great job Homer!

[Wonderful Monds]

The NL averages this year:

7.4 K/9
3.0 BB/9
3.84 FIP (roughly)

Locke:

6.0 K/9
3.9 BB/9
3.81 FIP
Wow, average sure does look a lot different than a couple years ago

[Ironman92]

No one said strikeouts and only strikeouts matter.

But his K/BB ratio is a very, very mediocre 1.5. That's not a recipe for success.

What was Tom Glavine's?

[RedsBrick]

98. Gas.

[Kc61]

On the good side, Corky catches strike three every time. Knows what he's doing back there.

[NebraskaRed]

Homer Bailey's back-up career is being a La Rosa's delivery man

[bleedsred]

Looks like next inning will be Homer's last since he is now almost to pitch 100...

[50YrRedsFan]

Can we muster a few hits this inning?

[Ironman92]

Can we muster a few hits this inning?

Why? They are overrated.

[Matt700wlw]

Bailey's fastball has some giddy up today. 98mph

[Falls City Beer]

No one said strikeouts and only strikeouts matter.



But it is basically one of the guiding premises among the stat crowd of the last 15 years or so. How often has the concept of pitch to contact been goofed on, here and everywhere?

[ProfessorTofty]

Drat! Heisey blasts one, but McCutcheon has room.

[dubc47834]

Radar gun has to be off...it had Homer at 99mph!

[Brutus]

What was Tom Glavine's?

For his entire career, it was 1.77. But during his peak years, it was usually around or over 2.0

[Reds Fanatic]

Heisey flied out to the track in left center

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto with a soft line out to 2nd.

[joshua]

Two outs on three pitches.

[ProfessorTofty]

And Phillips strikes out. Still 1-1 after six.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips strikes out. 1-1 after 6.

[joshua]

And the heart of our order goes down on seven pitches.

[Wonderful Monds]

That went pretty well, I'd say.

[Falls City Beer]

And the heart of our order goes down on seven pitches.

Gotta a plane to catch.

[Tom Servo]

productive inning

[50YrRedsFan]

A 7 pitch inning.....ridiculous. Locke walked 2 in a row and threw a WP last inning, and Heisey and Phillips go up there and hack away at first pitches. Inexcusable.

[Brutus]

And the heart of our order goes down on seven pitches.

The pitch Heisey swung at I'd have him do every time.

Sorry but I don't subscribe to the number of pitches being the litmus test for whether plate appearances are quality. Heisey had a good pitch to hit and gave it a ride.

Votto is as patient a hitter as you'll find, so when he swings early, it's probably for a very good reason.

[Wonderful Monds]

A 7 pitch inning.....ridiculous. Locke walked 2 in a row and threw a WP last inning, and Heisey and Phillips go up there and hack away at first pitches. Inexcusable.

Heisey nearly drove one out of the park. Wasn't the worst decision there.

[Tom Servo]

I probably wouldn't be sending Homer out there here in the 7th, but I hope I'm wrong.

[joshua]

Giving Locke a seven pitch inning isn't a formula to driving him out of the game and getting into that bullpen. Especially considering the inning he had in the fifth.

[kbrake]

A 7 pitch inning.....ridiculous. Locke walked 2 in a row and threw a WP last inning, and Heisey and Phillips go up there and hack away at first pitches. Inexcusable.

Heisey almost hacked one out. I get the frustration with a 7 pitch inning but if you get something you can drive get after it.

[ProfessorTofty]

Wow. 12 strikeouts now for Bailey.

[Falls City Beer]

Giving Locke a seven pitch inning isn't a formula to driving him out of the game and getting into that bullpen. Especially considering the inning he had in the fifth.

Given the context, I think patience was what the doctor ordered that inning.

[mth123]

Giving Locke a seven pitch inning isn't a formula to driving him out of the game and getting into that bullpen. Especially considering the inning he had in the fifth.

The primary goal is still to get a pitch to drive and drive it. Heisey did that. Votto should be above question in that area.

[Tom Servo]

McKenry looks like a fire hydrant.

[Brutus]

McKenry looks like a fire hydrant.

Anyone feel like walking their dog right now?

[Brutus]

Never send a padre in to do a madre's job. 3-1 Louie in the bottom of the third.

[mth123]

McKenry is the new Bill Hall.

[ProfessorTofty]

McKenry doubles to the wall in center after a lonnnng at-bat.

[Wonderful Monds]

McKenry doubles, flashes a gang sign

[Brutus]

I'd still stick with Homer here for at least another batter.

[Wonderful Monds]

Pull Homer already, c'mon. 113 pitches here.

[Tom Servo]

fire hydrant - Reds Killer

[Wonderful Monds]

:/

[ProfessorTofty]

Single up the center and the Pirates have taken back the lead. I imagine that's it for Bailey.

[joshua]

Damn. That's a tough run to make up.

[Tom Servo]

I probably wouldn't be sending Homer out there here in the 7th, but I hope I'm wrong.
I warned ye.

[kbrake]

I think one person voiced that Homer should be removed. Now ready for 8 people to start claiming how stupid Dusty ruined the game and they would have pulled him cause it was obvious he would lose it.

[ProfessorTofty]

Bailey's staying in? Okkkay.....

[RedsBrick]

I probably wouldn't be sending Homer out there here in the 7th, but I hope I'm wrong.

You weren't wrong.

[Brutus]

I warned ye.

He had struck out three of the last four batters prior to the double. Not sure the warning had much substance to it.

[Krawhitham]

Dusty trying to destroy another arm?

[RiverRat13]

I don't mind Homer staying in that last batter. I'd get him now when he's at 117 pitches.

[reds1869]

OK, time to roll up a double play ball. Homer has pitched well today but doesn't have much left to give.

[Brutus]

Dusty trying to destroy another arm?

Oh, for crying out loud.

[Wonderful Monds]

Are we trying to run Homer up into a Mark Prior game?

[mth123]

I think one person voiced that Homer should be removed. Now ready for 8 people to start claiming how stupid Dusty ruined the game and they would have pulled him cause it was obvious he would lose it.

Not me. I'd rather have Bailey with 117 pitches than anyone in that pen not named Aroldis in a close game.

[RedsBrick]

Sweet little ninja move by the Corkster

[joshua]

Oh good lord.

[Stray]

Tough luck there

[Wonderful Monds]

Ok, we're unraveling. Pull Homer, Dusty.

[reds1869]

Well, that didn't go well.

[joshua]

PULL HIM!!!

[ProfessorTofty]

Now 3-1. And now Dusty's out there.

[Wonderful Monds]

DAMMIT!

What did you think was going to happen???

[reds1869]

Dusty finally has mercy on Homer. Great effort by Bailey this afternoon, too bad it ended the way it did.

[Tom Servo]

The slow hook haunts.

[joshua]

This is one clumsy inning.

[dougdirt]

From C Trent

That's it for Homer. And here come the boos…

I really hope the boos weren't for Homer.

[Reds Freak]

Just listening on the radio. Were any of the hits hard besides the double? Don't blame Dusty because Clint Barmes hit an IF single...

[Stray]

Was cozart covering second when they started the runner? Looked like a dp off the bat...maybe he was just shaded up the middle

[bleedsred]

Dusty sends for a Hoover to clean up this mess....

[Reds Freak]

From C Trent

That's it for Homer. And here come the boos…

I really hope the boos weren't for Homer.

Boos? Sounded like he got a big cheer.

[Stray]

That last one was a line drive...the two before were ground balls

[Hollcat]

The ground ball single that Phillips dove for that McKenry scored on was hit hard.

[mth123]

Homer got 2 ground balls to the MI. One snuck through for an RBI the other wasn't converted into an out. Homer didn't exactly melt down out there.

[Falls City Beer]

I really dislike the way the Reds play getaway games. This game wasn't a must win, but given the likelihood of losing the first game on a west coast trip (pretty much been the pattern of my entire life), gaining as many games,against the team in front of you when you can is probably the best outcome.

[50YrRedsFan]

This game is strictly on the offense.

[dougdirt]

From C Trent

That's it for Homer. And here come the boos…

I really hope the boos weren't for Homer.

Again from C Trent

Bailey was cheered coming off the field, FWIW. Boos came after the hit, and then when Dusty came on the field

[Brutus]

This game is strictly on the offense.

I'm sure that will come as a relief to the 12 members of the pitching staff that you have let them off the hook for this loss. They'll sleep well tonight :)

[Kc61]

Homer got 2 ground balls to the MI. One snuck through for an RBI the other wasn't converted into an out. Homer didn't exactly melt down out there.

C'mon.

After the McHenry double Homer looked drenched and gassed. Hoover has good stuff, it seemed obvious that he should have been removed.

Then the next guy gets an RBI single and Homer STILL stays out there.

IMO that was a clear case of letting the starter stay out there too long.

I'm watching on my computer on a delay, so it's hard to post today, but Dusty messed that up IMO.

[Stray]

I really dislike the way the Reds play getaway games. This game wasn't a must win, but given the likelihood of losing the first game on a west coast trip (pretty much been the pattern of my entire life), gaining as many games,against the team in front of you when you can is probably the best outcome.

Other than corky we have our a-team out there.

[50YrRedsFan]

I really dislike the way the Reds play getaway games. This game wasn't a must win, but given the likelihood of losing the first game on a west coast trip (pretty much been the pattern of my entire life), gaining as many games,against the team in front of you when you can is probably the best outcome.

And with the Cards winning, we may lose the game we gained yesterday.

[bleedsred]

God Bless America indeed....

[Falls City Beer]

Other than corky we have our a-team out there.

Right, but they've been getaway hacking all day. It's a pretty evident pattern.

[joshua]

My farts sound better than this girl singing God Bless America in a Pee Wee Herman voice.

[Brutus]

C'mon.

After the McHenry double Homer looked drenched and gassed. Hoover has good stuff, it seemed obvious that he should have been removed.

Then the next guy gets an RBI single and Homer STILL stays out there.

IMO that was a clear case of letting the starter stay out there too long.

I'm watching on my computer on a delay, so it's hard to post today, but Dusty messed that up IMO.

You typically spook anytime a pitcher goes past 75 pitches.

I saw no signs of Homer tiring. He was still throwing strikes, had pretty good velocity, good movement and was mostly hitting his spots.

[RiverRat13]

I'd take a 12-1 K:BB ratio from Homer the rest of the year. Think that is asking too much?

[Matt700wlw]

And with the Cards winning, we may lose the game we gained yesterday.

That kind of sums up the season...

[Kc61]

And with the Cards winning, we may lose the game we gained yesterday.

I have few problems with Baker but this is one.

It's like the playoff games.

He doesn't use his pitchers with urgency.

That guy McHenry had a great at bat, ten pitches. Trust Hoover. He's been red hot lately.

This is a pretty big game IMO.

[Falls City Beer]

Hell, I'm a Baker booster, and I know he blew that call.

[Kc61]

You typically spook anytime a pitcher goes past 75 pitches.

I saw no signs of Homer tiring. He was still throwing strikes, had pretty good velocity, good movement and was mostly hitting his spots.

Once again a personal comment. Man, you should post on "Being Offensive Zone."

You're right, of course, Homer was great after that McHenry at bat. He was in full command. What's the score, genius?

[Brutus]

Hell, I'm a Baker booster, and I think he blew that call.

FIFY

[RedsBrick]

Dusty finally has mercy on Homer. Great effort by Bailey this afternoon, too bad it ended the way it did.

Yep, pitched better than what's he's going to get.

[ProfessorTofty]

And a walk to start the Reds's 7th. Pitching change for the Pirates.

[Ironman92]

McHenry had possibly a game winning AB (playoff like).....finally on pitch #113 he smokes a ball into the gap.....I woulda bet the house that was it. Was Dusty showing great trust in Homer or being a player's manager and trying to get Homer a chance for the win?

We'll never know but I'd brought in relief then and there.

[Falls City Beer]

FIFY

When a modern day pitcher reaches 120 pitches and gives up a ringing double, and the game is tied? I know EXACTLY what you do in that situation.

[Brutus]

Once again a personal comment. Man, you should post on "Being Offensive Zone."

You're right, of course, Homer was great after that McHenry at bat. He was in full command. What's the score, genius?

You're offended by me saying you spook easy but reply with this condescending remark and I'm the one that should post on "being offensive zone?"

If you're offended by someone saying you spook easy, then don't spook easy. It wasn't mean as an offensive comment, it was simply a commentary that you do have a habit of worrying the second pitchers give up a hit over 75 pitches. At least own up to your thoughts. They aren't mean to be offensive, but just own them.

Just some helpful advice from a "genius."

[Ironman92]

CIFML

FIFY

[Kc61]

You're offended by me saying you spook easy but reply with this condescending remark and I'm the one that should post on "being offensive zone?"

If you're offended by someone saying you spook easy, then don't spook easy. It wasn't mean as an offensive comment, it was simply a commentary that you do have a habit of worrying the second pitchers give up a hit over 75 pitches. At least own up to your thoughts. They aren't mean to be offensive, but just own them.

My personal posting habits are not a proper subject for RedsZone. Post on the merits of the subject at hand.

[PuffyPig]

Homer was still throwing gas out there.

A couple of ground balls (there first was charitably called a hit) let to his downfall. It's not like anything was smoked out there.

It didn't work out, but IMO Homer was as likely to get out of the jam as anyone in the pen who was likely to be used.

[Falls City Beer]

Homer was still throwing gas out there.

A couple of ground balls (there first was charitably called a hit) let to his downfall. It's not like anything was smoked out there.

It didn't work out, but IMO Homer was as likely to get out of the jam as anyone in the pen who was likely to be used.

I would agree had he been at 95 or 100 pitches. Not at 120. Lot of pitching left to do for Homer this season.

[Ironman92]

Homer was still throwing gas out there.

A couple of ground balls (there first was charitably called a hit) let to his downfall. It's not like anything was smoked out there.

It didn't work out, but IMO Homer was as likely to get out of the jam as anyone in the pen who was likely to be used.

If the ground ball wasn't hit hard.....then why didn't Phillips get to it? If the line drive that tipped off of Phillips glove wasn't hit hard....why didn't he catch it?

[ProfessorTofty]

Darn. Hard hit to center, but again fails to get out.

[Brutus]

My personal posting habits are not a proper subject for RedsZone. Post on the merits of the subject at hand.

They're relevant when contextualizing your opinion. But I appreciate your deciding what is and isn't relevant for Redzone.

[joshua]

We could use a break here.

[Wonderful Monds]

When is the last time Frazier homered?

[Ironman92]

When is the last time Frazier homered?

2006 (May)

[GAC]

When was the last time Homer fraziered?

[schroomytunes]

I hate to dog a player.....but Frazier is downright horrible the last two months!!

[Kiko]

why not Mez here since he took down Paul?

[Stray]

swing for the fences

[GAC]

BP's June and July ain't nothing to crow about either.

[Matt700wlw]

The wheels are turning. Pitching changes, pinch hitters, lefty/righty match ups

[NebraskaRed]

When was the last time Homer fraziered?

I believe Homer fraziered 3 times today, but one was a sacrifice frazier.

[Matt700wlw]

That failed miserably

[Falls City Beer]

Didn't Soto get one AB the last time he was up?

[schroomytunes]

But BP is still driving in runs, and hasn't been horrible, Frazier screams out machine!!!!

[Falls City Beer]

But BP is still driving in runs, and hasn't been horrible, Frazier screams out machine!!!!

Frazier and Phillips have the same OPS. There are a number of uninspiring bats on the Reds roster.

[Kiko]

Mez is coming in to catch so I don't understand why dusty would use Soto there instead of Mez. I know Soto hits lefties well but this is the majors. Mez might not have done anything but we'll never know.

[mth123]

On the bright side, the Pirates are out of lefty's and the Reds' big three of Choo, Votto and Bruce (not so big right now) should get one more shot.

[mth123]

Hope rebuilding teams with a bat are watching Hoover.

[Wonderful Monds]

Welch getting snippy with Thom :lol:

[Kc61]

They're relevant when contextualizing your opinion. But I appreciate your deciding what is and isn't relevant for Redzone.

I really could not care less what you or anyone else thinks is "relevant."

Your personal comments are rude, uncalled for and violate every notion on this site of what is proper posting.

I suggest you try and make your points in a more civil manner.

[RiverRat13]

Nice job by Hoover.

[Kc61]

I note that Matt Harvey threw 112 pitches today in a brilliant outing. This after two innings in the all star game Tuesday night.

Sure sorry his blisters or whatever bothered Matt so much that he couldn't face the Pirates last weekend.