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LoganBuck
07-22-2013, 06:45 AM
If the rumors circulating out of Columbus are true, Ohio State is going to be without a knucklehead rb. Not a good start to the season.
LoganBuck
07-22-2013, 11:35 AM
And boom goes the dynamite. Hyde dismissed, and Roby also involved in a separate fracas.
http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2013/07/22/0722-carlos-hyde-ohio-state-football.html
coachpipe
07-22-2013, 11:39 AM
What an idiot
Red Buckeye
07-22-2013, 12:17 PM
I'm not too worried. The Bucks are loaded at RB, Roby on the other hand is a big concern.
At least Urban isn't taking any crap this year from his players, swiftly kicking Hyde off the team even before charged have been filed.
Kudos to Coach Meyer. It's laughable hearing pundits call him an "enabler."
redsfan30
07-22-2013, 01:05 PM
If questioning hadn't been directed towards Urban Meyer involving the Aaron Hernandez situation, would Carlos Hyde still be on the team?
redsfan30
07-22-2013, 01:10 PM
If questioning hadn't been directed towards Urban Meyer involving the Aaron Hernandez situation, would Carlos Hyde still be on the team?
According to May, Meyer is known for having a strict policy regarding violence against women. Last summer, linebacker Storm Klein was dismissed from the team when he was accused of being in a physical altercation with his girlfriend. Klein was eventually cleared of the charges and reinstated.
This from an article on Bleacher Report....I know, I know....the source, however....
Maybe the Hernandez/Meyer nonsense had nothing to do with this afterall.
LoganBuck
07-22-2013, 01:12 PM
If questioning hadn't been directed towards Urban Meyer involving the Aaron Hernandez situation, would Carlos Hyde still be on the team?
Depending on the situation, maybe. Storm Klein got into some sort of altercation with his baby mamma, last year. He was booted off the team, and then after the legal stuff was worked out, with the blessing of the woman in question, was allowed to return to the team.
This is different.
coachpipe
07-22-2013, 01:27 PM
English Prof: What comes at the end of a sentence?
Player: You file an appeal
BuckeyeRed27
07-22-2013, 02:02 PM
On the Hyde situation all you can say is what an idiot. Still some facts to come out, but there is no justification for hitting anyone, let alone a woman in the face. This sure doesnt' sound like a self defense case or anything like that.
Roby probably could have handled his situation better, but sounds like a big shot bouncer abusing his "power". However it will probably cost Roby a couple of games.
RedTeamGo!
07-22-2013, 02:07 PM
Hyde = easily replaceable.
BuckeyeRed27
07-22-2013, 02:15 PM
Hyde = easily replaceable.
Probably, but you know what you are getting with Hyde.
There is a lot of unknown talent behind him. Hopefully one or two of them are ready for the challenge.
RedTeamGo!
07-22-2013, 03:20 PM
Rod Smith should be ready, junior season.
Hall has experience
Dunn has a lot of talen
2 4 star recruits incoming
Roby would be a huuuuge loss though.
BuckeyeRed27
07-22-2013, 03:25 PM
Rod Smith should be ready, junior season.
Hall has experience
Dunn has a lot of talen
2 4 star recruits incoming
Roby would be a huuuuge loss though.
Rod Smith has had a history of not hanging onto the football and was brifely switched to LB not that long ago.
Hall isn't going to play RB and is a very different player than Hyde.
Dunn (also Ball) and 2 4 star recruits are a bunch of unknown talent.
Losing Roby would be devastating. I still think we are an championship contender without Hyde, but I don't think we are without Roby.
LoganBuck
07-22-2013, 04:17 PM
Urban Meyer drops the hammer today. 4 Players in trouble. Hyde suspended from team pending investigation, Bradley Roby in dog house, Marcus Baugh suspended 1 game, Tim Gardner kicked off team for 2013(perhaps for good).
http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072213aaa.html
BuckeyeRed27
07-22-2013, 05:49 PM
Urban Meyer drops the hammer today. 4 Players in trouble. Hyde suspended from team pending investigation, Bradley Roby in dog house, Marcus Baugh suspended 1 game, Tim Gardner kicked off team for 2013(perhaps for good).
http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072213aaa.html
That all seems fair. Hyde will be gone if the rumors are true anyways.
I wonder what Gardner did?
LoganBuck
07-23-2013, 07:48 PM
Hmm...
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--source--club-video-shows-ohio-state-running-back-carlos-hyde-didn-t-strike-alleged-victim-232225921.html
bucksfan2
07-24-2013, 09:34 AM
Hmm...
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--source--club-video-shows-ohio-state-running-back-carlos-hyde-didn-t-strike-alleged-victim-232225921.html
Methinks there are a lot major media networks and columnists who owe a mea clupa towards Hyde. He won't get it, but anymore today everyone is so eager to jump to conclusions based upon an incomplete set of information.
RedTeamGo!
07-24-2013, 11:43 AM
I would not even be surprised if the media (ESPN) does not even report this part of the story.
Ohio State coach Urban Meyer said Wednesday at Big Ten media days that he was “furious” over the off-the-field issues that have plagued his program over the last week.
Recap:
1) senior running back Carlos Hyde suspended following a reported assault against a women at a downtown bar (innocent until proven quilty which doesn't look likely IMHO),
2) cornerback Bradley Roby banned from attending media days after he was arrested for battery,
3)suspended freshman tight end Marcus Baugh for a game after his arrest for underage possession and carrying a fake ID,
4) freshman Tim Gardner sent home after his arrest for obstruction of justice
This is the price of Meyer's hire. The Ohio State Gators have come to Columbus.
Meyer has the OSU Gators positioned as consensus Top 5 preseason pick which is what he was hired to do but are Buckeye fans willing to live with losing their moral authority? Meyer is returning the W's but the righteous sweater vest lost with sanctions doesn't appear like it'll return anytime soon. Are Buckators fans comfortable with that proposition?
bucksfan2
07-25-2013, 09:39 AM
Ohio State coach Urban Meyer said Wednesday at Big Ten media days that he was “furious” over the off-the-field issues that have plagued his program over the last week.
Recap:
1) senior running back Carlos Hyde suspended following a reported assault against a women at a downtown bar (innocent until proven quilty which doesn't look likely IMHO),
2) cornerback Bradley Roby banned from attending media days after he was arrested for battery,
3)suspended freshman tight end Marcus Baugh for a game after his arrest for underage possession and carrying a fake ID,
4) freshman Tim Gardner sent home after his arrest for obstruction of justice
This is the price of Meyer's hire. The Ohio State Gators have come to Columbus.
Meyer has the OSU Gators positioned as consensus Top 5 preseason pick which is what he was hired to do but are Buckeye fans willing to live with losing their moral authority? Meyer is returning the W's but the righteous sweater vest lost with sanctions doesn't appear like it'll return anytime soon. Are Buckators fans comfortable with that proposition?
If your going to levy insults and bring zero to the conversation they why post on an Ohio State Football thread?
If your going to levy insults and bring zero to the conversation they why post on an Ohio State Football thread?
Since you've already attacked the messenger, care to discuss the points made in the message? Are you comfortable now accepting all of the things buckeye nation criticized Meyer for while he was in the SEC. In other words, is Meyer's baggage no longer an issue if his teams win in Columbus?
bucksfan2
07-25-2013, 09:58 AM
Since you've already attacked the messenger, care to discuss the points made in the message? Are you comfortable now accepting all of the things buckeye nation criticized Meyer for while he was in the SEC. In other words, is Meyer's baggage no longer an issue if his teams win in Columbus?
The Buckeyes or the OSU Gators? You get awful sensitive when insults are levied at Auburn but turn around levy them about OSU pretty quickly.
Am I happy that Hyde and Roby got into trouble? Absolutely not. But it appears as if Hyde never did anything wrong. A freshman getting caught with a fake ID and underage possession? Am I supposed to get upset over that? As a parent I would be mad at my child but my friends and I did the same thing at that age.
What is Meyer's baggage? Players who have gotten into trouble have been punished. More than anything else that is what I want. If you want to start listing every single NCAA college football player that gets into trouble go for it. But pointing out 4 OSU players and slamming the program because of that I have an issue with.
The Buckeyes or the OSU Gators? You get awful sensitive when insults are levied at Auburn but turn around levy them about OSU pretty quickly.
Am I happy that Hyde and Roby got into trouble? Absolutely not. But it appears as if Hyde never did anything wrong. A freshman getting caught with a fake ID and underage possession? Am I supposed to get upset over that? As a parent I would be mad at my child but my friends and I did the same thing at that age.
What is Meyer's baggage? Players who have gotten into trouble have been punished. More than anything else that is what I want. If you want to start listing every single NCAA college football player that gets into trouble go for it. But pointing out 4 OSU players and slamming the program because of that I have an issue with.
We'll get to revisit this question often with Meyer in Columbus. And that's the point. It's part of Meyer's brand. Are OSU fans comfortable with others being able to call them the Buckators and having the moniker ring with more than a little truth? It's a relevent question especially given the reverence there was for Tressell and the perception of how he ran his program and the disdain many OSU fans showed for how "SEC" teams run theirs.
You can chose to be offended and obfuscate the point but there seems to be a point here. Or can you argue it away with reasoned facts?
Brutus
07-25-2013, 10:38 AM
Auburn has had so many off-field incidents over the past 10 years, I don't think there is much ground to stand on when it comes to levying moral supremacy in that department.
Regardless, any person thumbing their nose about off-field incidents is likely a hypocrite. Teenagers get into trouble at every program in America. Some are more public than others, but they happen. Fans want to believe 'their' program is so much more 'clean' than another, but that's rarely the case.
*BaseClogger*
07-25-2013, 10:45 AM
Ohio State coach Urban Meyer said Wednesday at Big Ten media days that he was “furious” over the off-the-field issues that have plagued his program over the last week.
Recap:
1) senior running back Carlos Hyde suspended following a reported assault against a women at a downtown bar (innocent until proven quilty which doesn't look likely IMHO),
2) cornerback Bradley Roby banned from attending media days after he was arrested for battery,
3)suspended freshman tight end Marcus Baugh for a game after his arrest for underage possession and carrying a fake ID,
4) freshman Tim Gardner sent home after his arrest for obstruction of justice
This is the price of Meyer's hire. The Ohio State Gators have come to Columbus.
Meyer has the OSU Gators positioned as consensus Top 5 preseason pick which is what he was hired to do but are Buckeye fans willing to live with losing their moral authority? Meyer is returning the W's but the righteous sweater vest lost with sanctions doesn't appear like it'll return anytime soon. Are Buckators fans comfortable with that proposition?
I love your baseball analysis, but you really are intolerable in college football discussion. Is there a way to ignore posters in specific forums?
RiverRat13
07-25-2013, 10:47 AM
Tressel had more than his fair share of player arrests. I would be surprised if Meyer's first three years at OSU brings about more arrests than JT's first three years. That's the price of big time athletics. I don't know what "moral authority" OSU fans have ever had in that regard and I doubt many, other than the strawmen you cooked up in your head, ever thought they did.
Tressel had more than his fair share of player arrests. I would be surprised if Meyer's first three years at OSU brings about more arrests than JT's first three years. That's the price of big time athletics. I don't know what "moral authority" OSU fans have ever had in that regard and I doubt many, other than the strawmen you cooked up in your head, ever thought they did.
The media bought the sweater vest brand and they'll highlight Meyer's off the field issues. That's the point. Are OSU fans fine with seeing their dirty laundry drying on ESPN?
But it is surprising to hear OSU fans suggest they've never heard the "OSU does it the right way" schitck before. There is zero straw in any of that.
Meyer spent time in media days addressing this specific issue-off the field stuff. This has become an issue that has to be talked about at press conferences and is going to be talked about alot with alot more scrutiny. One can try to take jabs at the messenger but it's not my concocted message. The media is adopting a narrative-and it's an easy one since it's been part of Meyer's "brand" for years"-call them intolerable. Are OSU fans willing to tolerate it if they get to see wins?
Brutus
07-25-2013, 11:06 AM
When OSU fans say that, they are probably referring to the fact unlike some institutions, they don't have coaches going out and acquiescing to recruits and their runners soliciting $200,000 for services.
No OSU fan that I've ever seen thinks OSU is perfect. But compared to certain environments in the wild, wild South, that program should be in sainthood. Boosters are rampant everywhere... in Tuscaloosa, Auburn, Columbus, Gainesville, etc. But the level of participation in the sleaze up North is elementary compared to what happens in the SEC, especially with regard to the coaches specifically.
RedTeamGo!
07-25-2013, 11:22 AM
We'll get to revisit this question often with Meyer in Columbus. And that's the point. It's part of Meyer's brand. Are OSU fans comfortable with others being able to call them the Buckators and having the moniker ring with more than a little truth? It's a relevent question especially given the reverence there was for Tressell and the perception of how he ran his program and the disdain many OSU fans showed for how "SEC" teams run theirs.
You can chose to be offended and obfuscate the point but there seems to be a point here. Or can you argue it away with reasoned facts?
Wow - this is laughable.
1.) Carlos Hyde was recruited when Jim Tressel was in charge for starters - AND he did not hit the girl, there is video clearing him of the charges.
2.) Bradley Roby was recruited in 2010 - also not by Urban Meyer
3.) fake ID? Really? I guess that means every college student in the history of mankind is a bad person
4.) Don't know anything about the Gardner one
You can basically look at every football program and find stories like this. For example: Cam Newton and his father going from SEC program to SEC program looking for the biggest payday until he decided on Auburn. What a joke.
This is an OSU thread.
Are OSU fans comfortable tolerating the culture Meyer brings to a program and the problems that come with it? The media are going to highlight them. Meyer is going to talk about them at media days.
From the immediate reaction to try talk about other programs, a small sample suggests, maybe, probably so.
RedTeamGo!
07-25-2013, 11:36 AM
This is an OSU thread.
Are OSU fans comfortable tolerating the culture Meyer brings to a program and the problems that come with it? The media are going to highlight them. Meyer is going to talk about them at media days.
From the immediate reaction to try talk about other programs, a small sample suggests, maybe, probably so.
You are missing the gigantic point, which I am amazed by because you seem very intelligent on the baseball forums.
Urban Meyer did not bring a specific "culture" with him. This exists everywhere in college football, actually not college football - all of human life. Michigan, Toledo, Notre Dame (remember the girl that was raped by a player and later killed herself because other football players were threatening her?) Auburn, LSU, Alabama, USC, etc. This is not an OSU problem, it is just a part of humanity. 18-22 year olds get in trouble. When I was in college at Dayton I witnessed many a fight.
I read a report that Carlos Hyde was hit in the face by a woman and instead of reacting he walked away - why does Urban Meyer not get credit for that? Oh, that's right - because it doesn't fit your lame agenda.
The fact of the matter is, even though young people all over get in similar trouble (still laughing about the fake ID one) but they don't get any attention because they aren't in the public eye.
Red Buckeye
07-25-2013, 11:47 AM
I find it odd that the media seems to only be targeting Meyer when both Georgia and South Carolina had more arrests in the timespan Meyer was at UF.
God Saban has had ton or arrests under his watch as well, and he also oversigns. But ESecPN never likes to bring that up.
Why?
Because OSU generates page hits and maximum comments in the comments sections of online articles.
Meyer is no different than any other big time college coach. People saying he needs to be more selective about the players he brings in are morons. He goes after the same guys all of the other big time coaches go after, yet the media only blames Meyer for what guys do.
It's such a double standard it's pathetic.
Now of course with EsecPN having a contract with the SEC and the B1G Network being one of their major competitors it's understandable why the media (ESecPN) would want to try and hurt the B1G's biggest product, tOSU.
But when you look at Meyer's track record compared to Saban, Spurrier, Richt, Tubberville, etc, they are all very similar.
But the media doesn't like to report on those schools, they just like to pick on OSU.
RiverRat13
07-25-2013, 11:51 AM
This is an OSU thread.
Are OSU fans comfortable tolerating the culture Meyer brings to a program and the problems that come with it? The media are going to highlight them. Meyer is going to talk about them at media days.
From the immediate reaction to try talk about other programs, a small sample suggests, maybe, probably so.
Seeing how the "culture" is no different than the previous coach, why would OSU fans care as long as the Bucks win? Quite frankly, you have either a very short or a very selective memory about how the media portrayed OSU during the Tressel era.
Urban Meyer did not bring a specific "culture" with him. This exists everywhere in college football, actually not college football - all of human life.
I disagree with this point about the culture of a program pretty much whole-heartedly.
But lets rephrase the question. Are OSU fans comfortable with the media reinforcing a perception of the program as having a culture of problems if it comes with winning?
bucksfan2
07-25-2013, 12:14 PM
I disagree with this point about the culture of a program pretty much whole-heartedly.
But lets rephrase the question. Are OSU fans comfortable with the media reinforcing a perception of the program as having a culture of problems if it comes with winning?
You keep moving the goalpost here. Quite frankly I have no idea what you are asking other than picking at OSU Football.
You keep moving the goalpost here. Quite frankly I have no idea what you are asking other than picking at OSU Football.
It's a very easy thing to understand and there haven't moving goal posts.
But again, rather than picking at the messenger, want to pick at the message?
RedTeamGo!
07-25-2013, 01:01 PM
I disagree with this point about the culture of a program pretty much whole-heartedly.
But lets rephrase the question. Are OSU fans comfortable with the media reinforcing a perception of the program as having a culture of problems if it comes with winning?
Well, in my opinion the media is not "reinforcing" a perception - they are creating one.
RedTeamGo!
07-25-2013, 01:03 PM
It's a very easy thing to understand and there haven't moving goal posts.
But again, rather than picking at the messenger, want to pick at the message?
I noticed you completely ignored my question about giving Urban Meyer credit for Carlos Hyde walking away after being hit in the head by the accuser.
Should Urban Meyer get credit for Carlos Hyde doing the right thing?
Well, in my opinion the media is not "reinforcing" a perception - they are creating one.
That's probably true to an extent but Meyer has a brand (and it's not an unfair one) and things like the last week play into it. Are OSU fans willing to tolerate such a narrative becoming an increasing focus of ESPN etc?
I noticed you completely ignored my question about giving Urban Meyer credit for Carlos Hyde walking away after being hit in the head by the accuser.
Should Urban Meyer get credit for Carlos Hyde doing the right thing?
I didn't ignore anything (it was in fact referenced in the OP on this topic). But according to you, Tressel should get credit if Hyde is exonerated since Meyer shouldn't be held accountable for the actions of those he didn't recruit.
RedTeamGo!
07-25-2013, 01:25 PM
I didn't ignore anything (it was in fact referenced in the OP on this topic). But according to you, Tressel should get credit if Hyde is exonerated since Meyer shouldn't be held accountable for the actions of those he didn't recruit.
I don't think anyone should get credit for Hyde doing the right thing other than Hyde and to a lesser extent his parents.
bucksfan2
07-25-2013, 01:41 PM
It's a very easy thing to understand and there haven't moving goal posts.
But again, rather than picking at the messenger, want to pick at the message?
You stated out your post by calling OSU the OSU Gators in obvious disrespect. Then you called them the Bucators trying to illicit a response.
Am I happy that Roby got arrested, no. But then again I don't exactly know what happened nor have seen it play out completely.
Am I happy that Hyde found himself in trouble, no. But then again when the right evidence surfaced it showed that he carried himself in a manner that I would want.
Am I happy that some freshman got busted with booze and a fake id, no. But then again I am not going to lose it over a college freshman having booze and a fake ID. If I did I wouldn't have had many friends in college.
I had concerns when Urban first came to OSU but so far those have been alleviated. He has run a tight ship and for the most part his players have stayed out of trouble while winning at a high level.
LoganBuck
07-25-2013, 02:02 PM
Jojo, this is bordering on trolling. I know that some people in this thread got into it with you over whatever shenanigans went on with Cam Newton and Co. at Auburn, but come on, you are better than this.
BuckeyeRed27
07-25-2013, 02:57 PM
That's probably true to an extent but Meyer has a brand (and it's not an unfair one) and things like the last week play into it. Are OSU fans willing to tolerate such a narrative becoming an increasing focus of ESPN etc?
I tend not to lose sleep or worry about what I should tolerate based on ESPN's lazy reporting and debate format focused on getting page hits from Joe Moron.
Or short answer, yes.
Jojo, this is bordering on trolling. I know that some people in this thread got into it with you over whatever shenanigans went on with Cam Newton and Co. at Auburn, but come on, you are better than this.
This has nothing to do with the issues you mentioned and this isn't anywhere near trolling.
Meyer's track record on this issue and the state he left the Florida program in has been a legitmate topic concerning him and it was a relevent topic when he was hired at OSU (though many dismissed it out of hand in favor of the perception of Meyer, the man of principle, as a savior). Given he was forced to address off the field issues at a media event designed to promote the program and the Big Ten only reinforce the argument that this is a relevant topic of discussion in it's own right.
I guess I get that OSU fans might be tempted to go after the messenger rather than the message in an ad homimen approach. But this isn't about jojo. It's about how the national media is gravitating toward painting a perception of OSU's football program and the significance of the face of OSU's program having to comment on these issues at a major media event. This is the face of OSU football and the branding of the program. If this becomes the national narrative do OSU fans find it acceptable?
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/urban-meyer-ohio-state-coach-florida-player-legal-issues-couple-of-knuckleheads-072413
But he better do more than that. The trail he has left is just too messy. The New York Times reported that 41 players from his 2008 Florida team were arrested in college or after. Or both.
To be fair, it’s kind of a stretch to call him an enabler of Hernandez. And at least some of the other troubles are typical things football players do. And running back Carlos Hyde, who was a “person of interest’’ in an alleged assault on a woman in a bar, might be cleared. After several reports he had punched the woman in the face, Yahoo! Sports reports that a video of the incident shows Hyde didn’t touch her.
But it still sounds wrong when Meyer describes the issues at Ohio State as “a couple of knuckleheads’’ making decisions that reflect poorly on the program.
The few-bad-apples defense. But 41 bad apples on one team? Look at it this way: If a first-grader or two thinks that one plus one is five, then that might be a problem for the student. If half the class thinks that?
It’s on the math teacher.
medford
07-25-2013, 03:53 PM
As a life long OSU football fan, I'm grown pretty accostumed to ESPN and others painting OSU in a negative picture. Ever seen Mark May's schtick? Trev Alberts? How many times did we have to hear that Jim Tressel's offense was boring following a big win? Remember Maurice Clarett? Are you still awaiting your invite to Eddie George's graduation cermony from medical school? Have you heard that Andy Katzenmoyor took golf and an AIDS awareness class?
If you're not just trolling, as you say and are sincere in asking if OSU fans are ready for OSU to be painted in a negative light by ESPN and others, then I'm pretty sure I can answer for most OSU fans. Yes, yes we are ready for the program to be painted in a negative light, b/c ESPN and others have been taking every opportunity to do so for about as long as I've been a fan. I think I saw the other day that there have been 9 arrests in the last calander year for OSU football players, the exact same amount as Georgia, and I'm guessing a similar amount, sadly, to most other major football programs.
Urban is trying to win football game, not raise choir boys. I wish he won every game, did so with future saints and nobel prize winners, but that's just not reality. Not at Ohio State, not at Auburn, not at Alabama, Notre Dame, Michigan, Penn State, Geogria, USC, Oregon, Miami, etc... The fact that some in the media were trying to attach blame to Urban for the Aaron Hernandez story is sad, but not surprsing. Had Urban kicked him off the team or not recruited the kid for being a witness to a shooting some years prior, the story would not have been NFLer suspect in murder case, it would have been, remember that guy who used to play at football, he's being investigated for murder. In otherwords a non story b/c the guy was no longer famous. Urban, the University of Florida, the SEC, the NCAA, the Patriots, nor the NFL had any role in that murder. To suggest otherwise is simply someone trying to garner attention for their writing.
RedTeamGo!
07-25-2013, 04:04 PM
This has nothing to do with the issues you mentioned and this isn't anywhere near trolling.
Meyer's track record on this issue and the state he left the Florida program in has been a legitmate topic concerning him and it was a relevent topic when he was hired at OSU (though many dismissed it out of hand in favor of the perception of Meyer, the man of principle, as a savior). Given he was forced to address off the field issues at a media event designed to promote the program and the Big Ten only reinforce the argument that this is a relevant topic of discussion in it's own right.
I guess I get that OSU fans might be tempted to go after the messenger rather than the message in an ad homimen approach. But this isn't about jojo. It's about how the national media is gravitating toward painting a perception of OSU's football program and the significance of the face of OSU's program having to comment on these issues at a major media event. This is the face of OSU football and the branding of the program. If this becomes the national narrative do OSU fans find it acceptable?
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/urban-meyer-ohio-state-coach-florida-player-legal-issues-couple-of-knuckleheads-072413
Oh yeah, young men gravitating towards violence and crime is absolutely comparable to children not knowing simple math.
Red Buckeye
07-25-2013, 04:30 PM
As a life long OSU football fan, I'm grown pretty accostumed to ESPN and others painting OSU in a negative picture. Ever seen Mark May's schtick? Trev Alberts? How many times did we have to hear that Jim Tressel's offense was boring following a big win? Remember Maurice Clarett? Are you still awaiting your invite to Eddie George's graduation cermony from medical school? Have you heard that Andy Katzenmoyor took golf and an AIDS awareness class?
If you're not just trolling, as you say and are sincere in asking if OSU fans are ready for OSU to be painted in a negative light by ESPN and others, then I'm pretty sure I can answer for most OSU fans. Yes, yes we are ready for the program to be painted in a negative light, b/c ESPN and others have been taking every opportunity to do so for about as long as I've been a fan. I think I saw the other day that there have been 9 arrests in the last calander year for OSU football players, the exact same amount as Georgia, and I'm guessing a similar amount, sadly, to most other major football programs.
Urban is trying to win football game, not raise choir boys. I wish he won every game, did so with future saints and nobel prize winners, but that's just not reality. Not at Ohio State, not at Auburn, not at Alabama, Notre Dame, Michigan, Penn State, Geogria, USC, Oregon, Miami, etc... The fact that some in the media were trying to attach blame to Urban for the Aaron Hernandez story is sad, but not surprsing. Had Urban kicked him off the team or not recruited the kid for being a witness to a shooting some years prior, the story would not have been NFLer suspect in murder case, it would have been, remember that guy who used to play at football, he's being investigated for murder. In otherwords a non story b/c the guy was no longer famous. Urban, the University of Florida, the SEC, the NCAA, the Patriots, nor the NFL had any role in that murder. To suggest otherwise is simply someone trying to garner attention for their writing.
Great post! And you certainly speak for me with what you said! Simply put, Ohio State is the biggest media revenue generator in all of college athletics. ESecPN unfairly ridiculing Ohio State is nothing new, but I and many other OSU fans will continue to call the media out when they show double standards.
LoganBuck
07-25-2013, 05:04 PM
I watch BigTenNetwork on game day because, I don't like the other shows. It has been that way for a decade. Someone has to wear the black hat, Ohio State is an easy villain.
Redsfaithful
07-26-2013, 03:25 AM
18-22 year old men are going to get into trouble sometimes.
I have no problem with Urban Meyer taking chances on guys who might be higher risk with this sort of thing. I didn't mind when Bob Huggins did it either. Everyone deserves a chance, and many kids lives are transformed by athletic opportunities. MANY.
I doubt any Ohio State fan really cares what non-fans think, and I certainly hope nobody gives the slightest crap what ESPN thinks. ESPN is 99% a cesspool with plenty of it's own issues and skeletons. Sports media is a joke in general.
RedFanAlways1966
07-26-2013, 10:50 AM
...and I certainly hope nobody gives the slightest crap what ESPN thinks. ESPN is 99% a cesspool with plenty of it's own issues and skeletons. Sports media is a joke in general.
Absolutely correct. Case in point: this morning with Mike and Mike. Reporting from the NE Patriots (their first day) training camp site. Why? I am sure that ESPN would give "football reasons", but we all know it is relative to Aaron Hernandez. Like a flippin' Maury Povich show or something. Cesspool/joke... spot on.
redsfan30
08-01-2013, 09:29 AM
I wonder how long until Urban Meyer gets blamed for Riley Cooper using the N-word....
improbus
08-01-2013, 10:00 AM
As a life long OSU football fan, I'm grown pretty accostumed to ESPN and others painting OSU in a negative picture. Ever seen Mark May's schtick? Trev Alberts? How many times did we have to hear that Jim Tressel's offense was boring following a big win? Remember Maurice Clarett? Are you still awaiting your invite to Eddie George's graduation cermony from medical school? Have you heard that Andy Katzenmoyor took golf and an AIDS awareness class?
If you're not just trolling, as you say and are sincere in asking if OSU fans are ready for OSU to be painted in a negative light by ESPN and others, then I'm pretty sure I can answer for most OSU fans. Yes, yes we are ready for the program to be painted in a negative light, b/c ESPN and others have been taking every opportunity to do so for about as long as I've been a fan. I think I saw the other day that there have been 9 arrests in the last calander year for OSU football players, the exact same amount as Georgia, and I'm guessing a similar amount, sadly, to most other major football programs.
Urban is trying to win football game, not raise choir boys. I wish he won every game, did so with future saints and nobel prize winners, but that's just not reality. Not at Ohio State, not at Auburn, not at Alabama, Notre Dame, Michigan, Penn State, Geogria, USC, Oregon, Miami, etc... The fact that some in the media were trying to attach blame to Urban for the Aaron Hernandez story is sad, but not surprsing. Had Urban kicked him off the team or not recruited the kid for being a witness to a shooting some years prior, the story would not have been NFLer suspect in murder case, it would have been, remember that guy who used to play at football, he's being investigated for murder. In otherwords a non story b/c the guy was no longer famous. Urban, the University of Florida, the SEC, the NCAA, the Patriots, nor the NFL had any role in that murder. To suggest otherwise is simply someone trying to garner attention for their writing.
I totally understand what you are saying, but believe me, every fan base will say the same thing about ESPN/the sports media. Ask Auburn fans about the Cam Newton story. Ask Syracuse fans about the Bernie Fine story. Ask Miami fans about Nevin Shapiro. If ESPN hated OSU so much, would they have hired Herbstreit...and Spielman...and Robert Smith?
As far as the Urban related stuff, I think these stories (Hyde, etc...) would be big regardless of the school he went to. That 2008 Florida team is one of the most interesting team in college football history and Urban's role (or sometimes lack of a role) is a huge part of it (See: Harvin, Percy). When you combine his success and off field craziness, the media is going to pounce on anything. I don't think this story has much to do with OSU itself.
Red Buckeye
08-16-2013, 03:55 PM
Ohio State just picked another big time commitment today from 5-Star athlete Curtis Samuel.
I love seeing Urb and Co rack up the big time playmakers.
A 2014 offense with Braxton Miller, Ezekial Elliott, Jalin Marshall, Dontre Wilson, and Curtis Samuel will be absolutely sick!
Great Day to be a Buckeye!:D:D:D
Ohio State just picked another big time commitment today from 5-Star athlete Curtis Samuel.
I love seeing Urb and Co rack up the big time playmakers.
A 2014 offense with Braxton Miller, Ezekial Elliott, Jalin Marshall, Dontre Wilson, and Curtis Samuel will be absolutely sick!
Great Day to be a Buckeye!:D:D:D
He's a composite 4 star (though that might change after this season) but he's a great pick up nonetheless and his commitment is very solid, i.e. it's doubtful he'll still be recruited hard by the other sharks (Bama, Clemson).
Red Buckeye
08-16-2013, 07:47 PM
He's a composite 4 star (though that might change after this season) but he's a great pick up nonetheless and his commitment is very solid, i.e. it's doubtful he'll still be recruited hard by the other sharks (Bama, Clemson).
The only recruiting site I've seen him rated a 4 star is ESecPN, and everyone knows they have the worst college football recruiting info out there.
247 has him as a 5 star, and I trust those guys more than anyone as that's all they do.
The only recruiting site I've seen him rated a 4 star is ESecPN, and everyone knows they have the worst college football recruiting info out there.
247 has him as a 5 star, and I trust those guys more than anyone as that's all they do.
He's a composite 4 star on 247's board. The composite is the value used for team rankings. He's probably a composite four star because of the "ATH". Its a little tougher to project him as an NFL player.
http://247sports.com/Player/Curtis-Samuel-25841
This isn't a slight BTW. His commitment should be celebrated by Buckeye fans and it sounds like Samuel is passionate about OSU. He'll probably be an effective recruiter for them as the bigger fish all know each other through camps etc.
BillDoran
08-16-2013, 09:31 PM
He's a composite 4 star on 247's board. The composite is the value used for team rankings. He's probably a composite four star because of the "ATH". Its a little tougher to project him as an NFL player.
http://247sports.com/Player/Curtis-Samuel-25841
This isn't a slight BTW. His commitment should be celebrated by Buckeye fans and it sounds like Samuel is passionate about OSU. He'll probably be an effective recruiter for them as the bigger fish all know each other through camps etc.
Samuel's commitment bumps OSU up to second among 247's composite team rankings, just behind Alabama. Also, have a great shot with two of the top kids left, Glenville's Marshon Lattimore checking in at 32, and number 12 LB Raekwon Miller, among others like OL target Damien Prince.
If things hold and Meyer closes with his typical urgency, hard to imagine anything worse than a top 5 class, with a real shot at the top overall class in 2014.
Red Buckeye
08-19-2013, 02:07 PM
I found a nice article by G.Doyle from CBS on Urban.
http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/gregg-doyel/23220982/urban-meyer-is-no-longer-lax-on-discipline-if-youve-been-paying-attention
It's nice to see someone in the national media finally admit that maybe all of the Meyer bashing as of late has been a little unfair. I always thought it was interesting that when UM was the HC at UF, Georgia actually had more arrests, yet the national media never seemed to mention this.
I guess if you're not winning anything lax discipline isn't news worthy. But at any rate, I think anyone who still says Urban Meyer is too easy on his players still thinks it's 2008.
cincrazy
08-19-2013, 10:25 PM
I found a nice article by G.Doyle from CBS on Urban.
http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/gregg-doyel/23220982/urban-meyer-is-no-longer-lax-on-discipline-if-youve-been-paying-attention
It's nice to see someone in the national media finally admit that maybe all of the Meyer bashing as of late has been a little unfair. I always thought it was interesting that when UM was the HC at UF, Georgia actually had more arrests, yet the national media never seemed to mention this.
I guess if you're not winning anything lax discipline isn't news worthy. But at any rate, I think anyone who still says Urban Meyer is too easy on his players still thinks it's 2008.
I saw that article too. And I enjoyed it. Which made me sick, because I despise Gregg Doyel about as much as I despise anyone in sports media.
BluegrassRedleg
08-20-2013, 01:56 AM
Down here south of the Ohio River, we're just trying to get used to being a ranked team in the recruiting wars. Mark Stoops has been pretty amazing so far at Kentucky, at least in recruiting. For years, UK ignored Ohio and looked south for players. Stoops is getting a bunch of good players up in the Buckeye State.
Red Buckeye
08-20-2013, 01:02 PM
No doubt Coach Stoops has UK rolling in the right direction. If he can get all of the leftovers that OSU doesn't want instead of letting MSU and UC get them, UK will be a top 25 program within a few years.
In fact with Coach Strong in UL, Coach Stoops at UK, and motorcycle lovin' Coach Petrino at WKU, I think Kentucky is one of the more intriguing football states today.
I'm pretty sure Urban Meyer has a couple screws loose...
http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/gregg-doyel/23299430/urban-meyer-uses-unwitting-nfl-scouts-to-send-antimichigan-message
At points last year, Ohio State coach Urban Meyer let it be known that visitors to Buckeyes practices were not to wear blue, presumably because that's the primary color of Michigan, Ohio State's biggest rival.
On the first day NFL scouts were allowed to observe Ohio State's practice this month, at least two were wearing blue. And at some point during their time in Ohio State's facility, Meyer's message about what not to wear was passed along through Ohio State and staffers and even involved some players yelling to the scouts that blue was not welcome.
Eventually, those scouts in blue were given Ohio State shirts to wear for the duration of their visit.
RedTeamGo!
08-26-2013, 08:59 AM
I'm pretty sure Urban Meyer has a couple screws loose...
http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/gregg-doyel/23299430/urban-meyer-uses-unwitting-nfl-scouts-to-send-antimichigan-message
Love it. Urban is the man.
RedFanAlways1966
08-26-2013, 01:08 PM
Love it. Urban is the man.
Yep. Nothing wrong that. Although some will find fault in the way Urban wipes himself. No shock there lol. I am glad that Urban understands beating Michigan is the #1 priority with that football program and Woody just ripped up a heaven yard marker in appreciation.
If you write for the ACC or root for the SEC, then you might not "get it". This story does not have any spice to it.
Yep. Nothing wrong that. Although some will find fault in the way Urban wipes himself. No shock there lol. I am glad that Urban understands beating Michigan is the #1 priority with that football program and Woody just ripped up a heaven yard marker in appreciation.
If you write for the ACC or root for the SEC, then you might not "get it". This story does not have any spice to it.
Actually, if you root for an SEC team (especially two in particular), you completely understand rivalries on a level that-for as great as the OSU/Michigan rivalry is for college football-big ten fans really can't comprehend. OSU-Michigan is no great mystery.
That's not a criticism of big ten fans. It's an acknowledgement of a different brand of fanaticism where football means more than it should.
But ya, Urban has a few screws missing. Making scouts-professionals that could largely help student athletes realize their professional aspirations and guests of the University-conform to a dress code or be forced to wear Buckeye swag in order to do their jobs? This was just the kind of thing that "Big Ten fan" used to mock about Urban when he was part of the problem rather than perceived as their solution.
RedTeamGo!
08-26-2013, 01:30 PM
Actually, if you root for an SEC team (especially two in particular), you completely understand rivalries on a level that-for as great as the OSU/Michigan rivalry is for college football-big ten fans really can't comprehend. OSU-Michigan is no great mystery.
That's not a criticism of big ten fans. It's an acknowledgement of a different brand of fanaticism where football means more than it should.
But ya, Urban has a few screws missing. Making scouts-professionals that could largely help student athletes realize their professional aspirations and guests of the University-conform to a dress code or be forced to wear Buckeye swag in order to do their jobs? This was just the kind of thing that "Big Ten fan" used to mock about Urban when he was part of the problem rather than perceived as their solution.
You're ridiculous.
You're ridiculous.
Not really so much.....
RedTeamGo!
08-26-2013, 02:28 PM
Not really so much.....
haha, sorry about that...I started to type out a response to your post and deleted everything and replaced it with the simple "you're ridiculous."
It was pretty childish, but sometimes that's me.
haha, sorry about that...I started to type out a response to your post and deleted everything and replaced it with the simple "you're ridiculous."
It was pretty childish, but sometimes that's me.
No biggie. Obviously my post wasn't pro-Meyer but I don't think I really said anything all that inflammatory.
Big Ten fans can't comprehend the intricacies of SEC brand rivalries! That's just awesome!! Yeah, it's really hard to understand why the balance of college fandom has such difficulty with many (not all) SEC fans. It's not enough to say that the football culture is "different", which everyone knows, but it's that we "can't comprehend" it. I honestly laughed out loud when I read that. It's been a while since I read something on RZ that took me by surprise. But to be fair, I'm guessing some of the other SEC fans on this board are rolling their eyes just as much.
But hey, "it's not an insult" (which is exactly what someone would say who is about to insult you)!!
bucksfan2
08-26-2013, 03:12 PM
Actually, if you root for an SEC team (especially two in particular), you completely understand rivalries on a level that-for as great as the OSU/Michigan rivalry is for college football-big ten fans really can't comprehend. OSU-Michigan is no great mystery.
That's not a criticism of big ten fans. It's an acknowledgement of a different brand of fanaticism where football means more than it should.
But ya, Urban has a few screws missing. Making scouts-professionals that could largely help student athletes realize their professional aspirations and guests of the University-conform to a dress code or be forced to wear Buckeye swag in order to do their jobs? This was just the kind of thing that "Big Ten fan" used to mock about Urban when he was part of the problem rather than perceived as their solution.
Rivalries in college football are what make the game special. Being an Auburn fan there are some goofy things that they must do in regards to Alabama.
Urban has as many screws loose as every other big time college coach. Part of a job is embracing the team, city, and history of a program. There is a story that when John Cooper was hired he was perceived as a west coast guy. One of his first things he did as a coach was sign an endorsement with a hot tub company that sat wrong with many buckeye fans.
Urban has embraced everything OSU and has made it known that of great importance is beating Michigan. Its a page out of Woody Hayes book, one thing you don't screw up at OSU. If he doesn't allow scouts to wear blue at an open practice people in Columbus eat that up. As for two scouts making a difference in the player's further ambitions, I doubt that. If those two scouts left you think Bradley Roby would suffer any?
Red Buckeye
08-26-2013, 03:25 PM
Actually, if you root for an SEC team (especially two in particular), you completely understand rivalries on a level that-for as great as the OSU/Michigan rivalry is for college football-big ten fans really can't comprehend. OSU-Michigan is no great mystery.
That's not a criticism of big ten fans. It's an acknowledgement of a different brand of fanaticism where football means more than it should.
But ya, Urban has a few screws missing. Making scouts-professionals that could largely help student athletes realize their professional aspirations and guests of the University-conform to a dress code or be forced to wear Buckeye swag in order to do their jobs? This was just the kind of thing that "Big Ten fan" used to mock about Urban when he was part of the problem rather than perceived as their solution.
There is NO bigger rivalry in college football then Ohio State-Michigan. Nothing in the SEC compares to The Game. I have been to the Auburn-Alabama game, LSU-Florida, and Florida-FSU, and none of them even came close the intensity of Ohio State-Michigan.
RedTeamGo!
08-26-2013, 03:25 PM
No biggie. Obviously my post wasn't pro-Meyer but I don't think I really said anything all that inflammatory.
the whole "big ten fans can't comprehend line" was the ridiculous part.
RedTeamGo!
08-26-2013, 03:27 PM
There is NO bigger rivalry in college football then Ohio State-Michigan. Nothing in the SEC compares to The Game. I have been to the Auburn-Alabama game, LSU-Florida, and Florida-FSU, and none of them even came close the intensity of Ohio State-Michigan.
Are you sure you weren't just confused by the mystical environment of the SEC?
Perhaps the women wearing sunday dresses to the games confused you.
:laugh:
Big Ten fans can't comprehend the intricacies of SEC brand rivalries! That's just awesome!! Yeah, it's really hard to understand why the balance of college fandom has such difficulty with many (not all) SEC fans. It's not enough to say that the football culture is "different", which everyone knows, but it's that we "can't comprehend" it. I honestly laughed out loud when I read that. It's been a while since I read something on RZ that took me by surprise. But to be fair, I'm guessing some of the other SEC fans on this board are rolling their eyes just as much.
But hey, "it's not an insult" (which is exactly what someone would say who is about to insult you)!!
That post was only an insult if you were looking for an insult. Reread it for content-it wasn't denigrating big ten football. It was arguing the SEC has alot of loons. I actually complemented "you" unless you think it's comprehensible that a person who neither attended the university he roots for (strangely though the love only extends to it's football program) nor is affiliated with it in any tangible fashion would dump gallons of poison in a public square of a rival because of some perceived slight to a statue that never happened. Seriously, a grown man was willing to go to jail to defend an effigy against an urban myth because he couldn't emotionally handle the success of student athletes who play for a program that rivals his adopted team. It was a blow to the man's self worth so terrible he had to lash out in a way that caused thousands of dollars of damage to public property. Do you really find that comprehensible?
But back to the grander point. I understand the concept of rivalry so it's not in inability to comprehend the concept that allows me to argue Meyer has a few screws loose in order to force scouts to wear OSU swag in order for them to do their jobs.
There is NO bigger rivalry in college football then Ohio State-Michigan. Nothing in the SEC compares to The Game. I have been to the Auburn-Alabama game, LSU-Florida, and Florida-FSU, and none of them even came close the intensity of Ohio State-Michigan.
It's obviously subjective and obviously I disagree as I have been immersed in Big Ten, Pac-10, Big East and SEC gameday tradition and I prefer SEC. But then again, no one claimed Ohio State-Michigan wasn't special and no one claimed that Big Ten fans didn't understand rivalry games. Someone did argue SEC fans couldn't understand the mystique of OSU/Michigan and that's clearly a patently untenable position. And I seriously doubt Big Ten fans truly understand the Alabama/Auburn dynamic unless they've been immersed in it (and again before some one wrinkles their undergarments NO WHERE has one argued SEC rivalry is "better" though strangely some are arguing the converse). It's a completely different brand of fanaticism that frankly isn't close to rational.
Redsfaithful
08-26-2013, 08:33 PM
Seriously, a grown man was willing to go to jail to defend an effigy against an urban myth because he couldn't emotionally handle the success of student athletes who play for a program that rivals his adopted team.
One mentally ill guy doesn't really say anything about anything, one way or the other.
One mentally ill guy doesn't really say anything about anything, one way or the other.
There are thousands of Updykes who are upset.....that they didn't think of it first. People were lining up for his autograph in New Orleans and he hasnt had to buy his own drinks since he called Finebaum.
To claim Updyke is an anomaly just indicates that one doesn't really understand the dynamics of that particular rivalry.
Brutus
08-26-2013, 10:09 PM
At what point does it become obvious to everyone that a person's clear intent in a thread is to troll everyone else participating?
I sense we crossed that line long ago.
Brutus
08-26-2013, 10:12 PM
Rivalries are subjective, but clearly it's not just Big Ten fans that view the OSU-UM game as the best in college football. Poll after poll that has been taken asking fans to vote for the best, it comes out on top.
Like this one with over 26,000 respondents:
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9545194/college-football-biggest-rivalries
The term "best" is highly subjective, but it's more than just the opinion of Big Ten fans, clearly. That doesn't mean there aren't other great rivalries out there, but that one takes the cake. What separates that one, individually, is that unlike most other big rivalries, this one involves teams from different states. That makes it far more impressive.
If discussing how Meyer runs his program is considered off topic and something that elicits an emotional response (per the wiki definition of troll), this is a strange buckeye thread indeed.
Redsfaithful
08-27-2013, 02:49 AM
There are thousands of Updykes who are upset.....that they didn't think of it first. People were lining up for his autograph in New Orleans and he hasnt had to buy his own drinks since he called Finebaum.
To claim Updyke is an anomaly just indicates that one doesn't really understand the dynamics of that particular rivalry.
He's the only one who did it, because he's mentally ill. He didn't poison the trees because the rivalry is such a big deal, he did it because he's mentally ill.
Getting an autograph from the guy is a novelty item, meaningless.
RedFanAlways1966
08-27-2013, 07:13 AM
Good to see all the Jim Bobs in parts of Bama have somethin' to proud of, Virgell. "Mama, I want the name signed thang of that wonderful man who killed trees with poison. He is my hero and maybe he is my daddy! He makes me a proud SEC fan. What thang can we kill next to show how greats of a rivalry we gots?"
:lol:
Which is it? Only Buckeye fans can understand a college football rivalry because:
1) Harvey U is mentally ill and represents no one and therefore is no way a symbol for any segment of any fanbase or,
2) Harvey U is the quintessential symbol of ALL SEC fans and apparently that means SEC fans are uneducated, uncultured, unsophisticated and therefore incapable?
BTW, neither leads logically to the conclusion that it's improper to suggest Meyer has some screws loose if he is forcing pro scouts to wear OSU swag in order for them to do their jobs (which by the way is a view that isn't fanatical).
Seriously, mods. If this isn't trolling, I don't know what it (wiki definition irrelevant).
Seriously, mods. If this isn't trolling, I don't know what it (wiki definition irrelevant).
And again, discussing extreme behavior by the man running the program which has also become a topic of discussion on national radio shows is not trolling-it's a legitimate topic and frankly it wasn't even a major point. If you can only see insults in our interactions (which is not a fair reading of my posts IMHO), then please put me on ignore.
Sea Ray
08-27-2013, 11:10 AM
Having attended both an SEC school and a Big Ten school, I would opine that the OSU-Mich rivalry is the biggest. The problem is there's no close 2nd in the Big Ten, although perhaps Mich-Mich St is getting there. In the SEC there are rivalry games every week. There's never a snooze week in the SEC.
dabvu2498
08-27-2013, 11:24 AM
Seriously, mods. If this isn't trolling, I don't know what it (wiki definition irrelevant).
Just post the video of Kristi Malzahn and move on. :)
Just post the video of Kristi Malzahn and move on. :)
To be fair, that was liberally edited and this would be much more effective:
https://vine.co/v/he7uiWuIP6D
*BaseClogger*
08-27-2013, 11:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgqzMdBg7ig
Redsfaithful
08-27-2013, 04:53 PM
Only Buckeye fans can understand a college football rivalry
Nobody claimed this, unless I missed it. It's stuff like this that makes people think you are trolling. Which I realize you probably don't care, but in case you're honestly confused.
BuckeyeRed27
08-27-2013, 05:11 PM
Hey I have an idea, why don't we just talk about football.
True or false the Buckeyes will score 56+ this weekend. I say true.
Nobody claimed this, unless I missed it. It's stuff like this that makes people think you are trolling. Which I realize you probably don't care, but in case you're honestly confused.
Actually...."unconfuse" me with this....How is this not suggesting that a fan of an SEC team couldn't understand?
Yep. Nothing wrong that. Although some will find fault in the way Urban wipes himself. No shock there lol. I am glad that Urban understands beating Michigan is the #1 priority with that football program and Woody just ripped up a heaven yard marker in appreciation.
If you write for the ACC or root for the SEC, then you might not "get it". This story does not have any spice to it.
I neither started the "rivalry contest" nor framed this as an in to discuss "SEC".
Those who think I'm trolling are seeing a post that isn't all waving pom poms and are reading what they want to read rather than what was written.
Hey I have an idea, why don't we just talk about football.
True or false the Buckeyes will score 56+ this weekend. I say true.
The Buckeyes don't have a "real" game until their 5th week. That's a long time to wait for a little nervous anticipation.
*BaseClogger*
08-27-2013, 05:39 PM
Hey I have an idea, why don't we just talk about football.
True or false the Buckeyes will score 56+ this weekend. I say true.
I'll take the over as well. Taking your question one step further, who accounts for more TDs: Braxton Miller, or all of the other players on the field for either team combined?
BuckeyeRed27
08-27-2013, 06:53 PM
The Buckeyes don't have a "real" game until their 5th week. That's a long time to wait for a little nervous anticipation.
Road trip to Cal in Week 3 could be a bit of a game, just in terms of travel.
Road trip to Cal in Week 3 could be a bit of a game, just in terms of travel.
They'll probably be favored by 21 though. But ya, I didn't account for the away game aspect.
Red Buckeye
08-27-2013, 07:42 PM
Hey I have an idea, why don't we just talk about football.
True or false the Buckeyes will score 56+ this weekend. I say true.
True. I think Ohio State puts up between 63-77.
My prediction: Ohio State 66 Buffalo 10
And though Cal wasn't good at all last year, they did give OSU a run for their money. They also have a new head coach in Sonny Dykes that had juggernaut offenses at LTU. They only lost to Texas A&M by two with the score being 59-57.
With that being said they also will be starting a guy at QB with no game experience, and last season LTU probably would have blown out Cal.
So OSU should handle Cal.
jredmo2
08-27-2013, 08:22 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/five-revelations-from-rolling-stones-aaron-hernandez-story-20130827
• In college his coach (then-University of Florida head coach Urban Meyer) may have helped cover up failed drug tests, along with two violent incidents — an assault and a drive-by shootout outside a local bar.
RedFanAlways1966
08-27-2013, 09:33 PM
"may have"... two key words? Two key words that are used to allow a story, that may not be true, to be written/told.
The writer of the story may have stretched the truth. The writer may have an ax to grind over Urban. The writer may have an agenda to get the story sold.
MAY HAVE... MAY NOT HAVE. See how one more word changes the story?
LoganBuck
08-27-2013, 10:01 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/five-revelations-from-rolling-stones-aaron-hernandez-story-20130827
I am sick of the Aaron Hernandez crap. Bill Belichick is listed as being so tough as to be ready to cut him anytime, even after handing him a gigantic contract 9 months prior to that.
We get it, Urban Meyer and Ohio State make some of you feel insecure.
JoJo, don't you have an SEC thread to be posting in?
We get it, Urban Meyer and Ohio State make some of you feel insecure
Actually, I dont think you get it at all.
Ok, We get it. There are those that hate OSU. Go find some other thread to post on. Geez!
But I get tired of this reasoning that basically, and with extreme prejudice, singles out the Buckeye's schedule the first 3-4 weeks, and says they don't play anybody.
Take a good, hard look around college football, because for the most part all these programs are doing it, have those "cupcake" games somewhere on their schedule.
No, I don't like it. But why just single out OSU? Be objective. Go after them all.
Ok, We get it. There are those that hate OSU. Go find some other thread to post on. Geez!
But I get tired of this reasoning that basically, and with extreme prejudice, singles out the Buckeye's schedule the first 3-4 weeks, and says they don't play anybody.
Take a good, hard look around college football, because for the most part all these programs are doing it, have those "cupcake" games somewhere on their schedule.
No, I don't like it. But why just single out OSU? Be objective. Go after them all.
Bama's schedule is IMHO unfairly easy (and I think they've traditionally had one the easiest schedules in the SEC annually). It's a flawed system for determining a champion... As the fix is in almost from preseason. At least conference championship games and a pseudo playoff place a roadblock. BTW, no one singled out OSU for starting the season with 4 cupcake games. I merely wondered how a fan could get excited to watch their first 4 games.
Also the extreme prejudice characterization is a bit crazy especially given that you were offended by the incorrect assumption that OSU was being attacked and responded by defending their schedule by saying "everyone does it!". Apparently if someone actually had attacked OSU's strength of schedule you at least would have had to concede the point.
LoganBuck
08-28-2013, 07:35 AM
I have never defended the schedule. I really don't know why anyone gets worked up over it. Cal was good when the games were scheduled, they have cycled down. In a world where teams are currently scheduling games in the middle part of the next decade, why get so uptight over it? Teams rise and fall constantly. Yes a few less directional schools would be nice, but it doesn't seem to be a problem exclusive to Ohio State, I see plenty of Citadels, Florida Atlantics, Florida A&M, Western Carolina, Louisiana Lafayette, Georgia States, and Middle Tennessees, on schedules down south, over the years.
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/pages/future-ohio-state-football-schedules
RedFanAlways1966
08-28-2013, 08:10 AM
I I see plenty of Citadels, Florida Atlantics, Florida A&M, Western Carolina, Louisiana Lafayette, Georgia States, and Middle Tennessees, on schedules down south, over the years.
Of course and they all do it. Some like to disguise it by saying, "BS. We are playing a PAC-10 team." Sure, like Washington State (3-9 record in 2012) who may give Buffalo a good game lol. I am sure that Alabama is concerned about that game with Georgia State.
Superior Ego Complex will not admit it. But consider the mentality of folks who think poisoning trees shows true love and passion.
Jeeps...some are vigourousy defending against arguments never made which actually is telling.... But concerning strength of schedule, Straw Man University has always been an easy opponent.
RedTeamGo!
08-28-2013, 08:51 AM
I was looking forward to talking about Ohio State football in this thread with fellow buckeyes fans, but I can tell it is going to be jojo "not trolling" for the next 5 months.
I was looking forward to talking about Ohio State football in this thread with fellow buckeyes fans, but I can tell it is going to be jojo "not trolling" for the next 5 months.
Funny thing is IM the one in these interactions that IS talking OSU football.
LoganBuck
08-28-2013, 09:26 AM
Funny thing is IM the one in these interactions that IS talking OSU football.
You are trolling.
sonny
08-28-2013, 09:33 AM
Regardless of the direction if this thread, let's talk OSU football. Prediction time: How do you see this season playing out? Undefeated? One loss? B1G champions? NC? What's up?
I say 12-1 loss against Wisconsin because they seem to have difficulty against Wisky. Big ten champions and an appearance at a BCS bowl.
You are trolling.
No I'm not.
Regardless of the direction if this thread, let's talk OSU football. Prediction time: How do you see this season playing out? Undefeated? One loss? B1G champions? NC? What's up?
I say 12-1 loss against Wisconsin because they seem to have difficulty against Wisky. Big ten champions and an appearance at a BCS bowl.
I wouldn't be shocked if no team emerges from the big 5 conferences undefeated but I have no idea what to expect from Wisconsin.
RedTeamGo!
08-28-2013, 09:50 AM
Regardless of the direction if this thread, let's talk OSU football. Prediction time: How do you see this season playing out? Undefeated? One loss? B1G champions? NC? What's up?
I say 12-1 loss against Wisconsin because they seem to have difficulty against Wisky. Big ten champions and an appearance at a BCS bowl.
I think an undefeated season and an appearance in the national championship.
With this easy schedule anything else will be very disappointing.
bucksfan2
08-28-2013, 10:15 AM
Regardless of the direction if this thread, let's talk OSU football. Prediction time: How do you see this season playing out? Undefeated? One loss? B1G champions? NC? What's up?
I say 12-1 loss against Wisconsin because they seem to have difficulty against Wisky. Big ten champions and an appearance at a BCS bowl.
During last year's run a beat writer (I can't remember which one) mentioned how hard it is to go undefeated. While it was great that they ran the table last season, you often don't see a team go 2 years in a row without losing a football game. Look at last season and scares against lesser opponents of Cal and Purdue.
OSU Should run the table, but there are some games that do scare me. @Northwestern, PSU, @Purdue, and then @Michigan.
-Northwestern has a good football team, a great coach, and OSU plays a night game in Evanston.
-PSU is depleted but PSU has a great coach and a team who often plays OSU tough.
-Purdue always plays OSU tough. Holy Buckeye, Kenny Guiton's last second comeback, the Pryor loss at Purdue, the list can go on.
-Brady Hoke and Michigan would love nothing more than to upset OSU and remove them from national title contention.
If OSU runs the table I don't see any way they are left out of a BCS Championship game.
OSU could run the table and still be left out depending upon who else and how many run the table too.
BuckeyeRed27
08-28-2013, 11:03 AM
OSU could run the table and still be left out depending upon who else and how many run the table too.
Absolutely zero chance of that. They would be riding a 25 game winning streak and have a decent enough schedule.
I want to see the defense play a few games before I get into any sort of predictions, but I'm hopeful this is a NC contender. I'm pretty confident they can score enough with a healthy Braxton and all the other weapons. I'm not confident at this point they can stop top teams from scoring, but we will see.
Sea Ray
08-28-2013, 11:08 AM
If OSU runs the table I don't see any way they are left out of a BCS Championship game.
I agree. In fact I think a one loss OSU team is in the championship game. But given how soft their schedule is, it still wouldn't surprise me if after going undefeated they still got their asses kicked against an SEC team
I agree. In fact I think a one loss OSU team is in the championship game. But given how soft their schedule is, it still wouldn't surprise me if after going undefeated they still got their asses kicked against an SEC team
A 1 loss OSU team will not leap frog an undefeated team from the Big 5.
Sea Ray
08-28-2013, 12:42 PM
A 1 loss OSU team will not leap frog an undefeated team from the Big 5.
That assumes there will be an undefeated team. As you said earlier, it wouldn't surprise me if there isn't one. Will all the championship games nowdays, it's tough
Sea Ray
08-28-2013, 12:48 PM
Of course and they all do it. Some like to disguise it by saying, "BS. We are playing a PAC-10 team." Sure, like Washington State (3-9 record in 2012) who may give Buffalo a good game lol. I am sure that Alabama is concerned about that game with Georgia State.
Superior Ego Complex will not admit it. But consider the mentality of folks who think poisoning trees shows true love and passion.
The SEC is playing teams such as Clemson, Va Tech, TCU, Ok State and North Carolina. The best the Big Ten can come up with is Syracuse, Cal and UC Bearcats. And its big gun, OSU is playing Buffalo. Why Buffalo and not UC?
As a fan of football, do you want to watch Big Ten play MAC teams or would you rather watch:
AL-Va Tech
Ga-Clemson
MSU-Ok St
SC-NC
Ole Miss-Vandy
LSU-TCU
It hurts the conference as a whole. The country's not watching these Big Ten-MAC matchups. We don't care and that hurts the Big Ten in terms of rankings and perception later.
BuckeyeRed27
08-28-2013, 01:14 PM
SEC Week 2. Take out a conference game and the Florida/Miami rivalary game and you have the same thing the Big 10 does in Week 1. I wish college football scheduling didn't work like this and it seems like with the playoff coming that more teams are adding higher quality opponents, but it always seems like there are a few marquee out of conference games and a bunch of crap in every league.
Miami (OH) @ Kentucky
#10 Florida @ Miami (FL)
12:21 PM Western Kentucky @ Tennessee
3:30 PM Toledo @ Missouri
3:30 PM Alcorn State @ Mississippi State
4:30 PM #6 South Carolina @ #5 Georgi
7:00 PM Samford @ Arkansas
7:00 PM Southeast Missouri State @ Ole Miss
7:00 PM UAB @ #12 LSU
7:00 PM Sam Houston State @ #7 Texas A&M
7:30 PM Arkansas State @ Auburn
7:30 PM Austin Peay @ Vanderbilt
SEC Week 2. Take out a conference game and the Florida/Miami rivalary game and you have the same thing the Big 10 does in Week 1. I wish college football scheduling didn't work like this and it seems like with the playoff coming that more teams are adding higher quality opponents, but it always seems like there are a few marquee out of conference games and a bunch of crap in every league.
Miami (OH) @ Kentucky
#10 Florida @ Miami (FL)
12:21 PM Western Kentucky @ Tennessee
3:30 PM Toledo @ Missouri
3:30 PM Alcorn State @ Mississippi State
4:30 PM #6 South Carolina @ #5 Georgi
7:00 PM Samford @ Arkansas
7:00 PM Southeast Missouri State @ Ole Miss
7:00 PM UAB @ #12 LSU
7:00 PM Sam Houston State @ #7 Texas A&M
7:30 PM Arkansas State @ Auburn
7:30 PM Austin Peay @ Vanderbilt
The Big 5 are going to realign the landscape of college football over the next coming months. I hope that scheduling is going to tighten. There is nothing more boring than watching an uncompetitive college football game that means little in the grande scheme of things.
bucksfan2
08-28-2013, 01:52 PM
The SEC is playing teams such as Clemson, Va Tech, TCU, Ok State and North Carolina. The best the Big Ten can come up with is Syracuse, Cal and UC Bearcats. And its big gun, OSU is playing Buffalo. Why Buffalo and not UC?
As a fan of football, do you want to watch Big Ten play MAC teams or would you rather watch:
AL-Va Tech
Ga-Clemson
MSU-Ok St
SC-NC
Ole Miss-Vandy
LSU-TCU
It hurts the conference as a whole. The country's not watching these Big Ten-MAC matchups. We don't care and that hurts the Big Ten in terms of rankings and perception later.
Outside of Georgia vs. Clemson and maybe the LSU vs. TCU game, the UC Purdue game may be the most exciting. To be honest I don't want to see big time games the first games of the season. The teams are playing sloppy football to start the season off. I would much rather see them match up in game 3 or 4 of the season.
As for comparative schedules, Alabama has a whopping 2 ranked teams on its schedule and to be honest their big non conference slobber knocker of Virginia Tech may end up the season weaker than Cal. Compare that with traveling across the country I would say that OSU's test against Cal is more difficult than Bama playing Va Tech.
RedFanAlways1966
08-28-2013, 04:37 PM
It hurts the conference as a whole. The country's not watching these Big Ten-MAC matchups. We don't care and that hurts the Big Ten in terms of rankings and perception later.
Keeping the revenue close to home and financially helping the "smaller" schools! Those two USC games a few years back took a year or two off of my lifespan. ;)
Not to mention the BCS asks for this. Why risk one loss that may cost you a chance to play for it all in the end? Unless you are Alabama lol.
Sea Ray
08-28-2013, 06:39 PM
Outside of Georgia vs. Clemson and maybe the LSU vs. TCU game, the UC Purdue game may be the most exciting. To be honest I don't want to see big time games the first games of the season. The teams are playing sloppy football to start the season off. I would much rather see them match up in game 3 or 4 of the season.
As for comparative schedules, Alabama has a whopping 2 ranked teams on its schedule and to be honest their big non conference slobber knocker of Virginia Tech may end up the season weaker than Cal. Compare that with traveling across the country I would say that OSU's test against Cal is more difficult than Bama playing Va Tech.
For those of us in Ohio and Indiana, sure but for a football "fan", a lot of those SEC matchups are more compelling. Personally, I'm most interested in Ga/Clemson and since I'm a UC fan, Pur-UC. But after that I'd much rather watch any of the other SEC games that I listed before watching a Big Ten-MAC matchup.
I was really comparing conference schedules here but if you want to look at individual ones, I agree, Alabama's is about as easy as it can get. I honestly don't know what kind of team Va Tech is expecting this year but I gotta believe coach Beamer will field a competitive one.
Sea Ray
08-28-2013, 06:42 PM
SEC Week 2. Take out a conference game and the Florida/Miami rivalary game and you have the same thing the Big 10 does in Week 1. I wish college football scheduling didn't work like this and it seems like with the playoff coming that more teams are adding higher quality opponents, but it always seems like there are a few marquee out of conference games and a bunch of crap in every league.
Miami (OH) @ Kentucky
#10 Florida @ Miami (FL)
12:21 PM Western Kentucky @ Tennessee
3:30 PM Toledo @ Missouri
3:30 PM Alcorn State @ Mississippi State
4:30 PM #6 South Carolina @ #5 Georgi
7:00 PM Samford @ Arkansas
7:00 PM Southeast Missouri State @ Ole Miss
7:00 PM UAB @ #12 LSU
7:00 PM Sam Houston State @ #7 Texas A&M
7:30 PM Arkansas State @ Auburn
7:30 PM Austin Peay @ Vanderbilt
The Big Ten might not have a #5 vs #6 matchup all year. That's huge. Miami/FL is big too. As for the Big Ten, all you have next week is Mich-ND which is a wonderful game and I'm bummed that it's going away.
*BaseClogger*
08-29-2013, 12:06 AM
The Big Ten might not have a #5 vs #6 matchup all year. That's huge. Miami/FL is big too. As for the Big Ten, all you have next week is Mich-ND which is a wonderful game and I'm bummed that it's going away.
It's not the B1G scheduling that is keeping a #5 vs #6 game from happening, it's the quality of the football programs...
Keeping the revenue close to home and financially helping the "smaller" schools!
And that is really what it is all about. And it's being done all around the country.
I think we all would agree that we really don't care to watch these cupcake match-ups between the big schools and the smaller conferences; but a decision has been made -and I don't know if it's one that's left to the individual schools or conferences to make, or comes from the NCAA - but we're seeing more an more of these "local" match-ups, and it's being done for the reasons you mention above... keep the revenue closer to home and help these smaller conferences.
And I have to admit that conferences like MAC, for the most part, are definitely stronger, more competitive, to what it was years ago. I know they've put the scare into OSU, and a few other big schools, over the last several years. And it wasn't simply luck. ;)
And look at what is going on with the Big East, which, for the most part, was primarily a basketball oriented conference for eons. They were never really taken seriously when it came to what football programs existed. But because there is so much money to be made they have been making serious efforts, investing in their football programs, getting other programs to join the conference, to raise the level and become competitive with their football programs.
So in the long run, while we may not like these cupcake games, is it having a positive effect in helping these programs become more competitive when before there wasn't that chance?
And that is really what it is all about. And it's being done all around the country.
I think we all would agree that we really don't care to watch these cupcake match-ups between the big schools and the smaller conferences; but a decision has been made -and I don't know if it's one that's left to the individual schools or conferences to make, or comes from the NCAA - but we're seeing more an more of these "local" match-ups, and it's being done for the reasons you mention above... keep the revenue closer to home and help these smaller conferences.
And I have to admit that conferences like MAC, for the most part, are definitely stronger, more competitive, to what it was years ago. I know they've put the scare into OSU, and a few other big schools, over the last several years. And it wasn't simply luck. ;)
And look at what is going on with the Big East, which, for the most part, was primarily a basketball oriented conference for eons. They were never really taken seriously when it came to what football programs existed. But because there is so much money to be made they have been making serious efforts, investing in their football programs, getting other programs to join the conference, to raise the level and become competitive with their football programs.
So in the long run, while we may not like these cupcake games, is it having a positive effect in helping these programs become more competitive when before there wasn't that chance?
If it was about keeping the money at home then why doesnt OSU play UC and why is there vetching from Big10 fans when an SEC team plays a Samford or Alabama State? Also why are the Big 5 about to do something that will in all likelihood shut the little guys out of the big money and might possibly end full scholarships for the little fish?
Sea Ray
08-29-2013, 08:40 AM
It's not the B1G scheduling that is keeping a #5 vs #6 game from happening, it's the quality of the football programs...
I couldn't agree more. This is why OSU needs to schedule fewer MAC schools in its non conference schedule whereas Alabama, not so much
Sea Ray
08-29-2013, 08:44 AM
And that is really what it is all about. And it's being done all around the country.
I think we all would agree that we really don't care to watch these cupcake match-ups between the big schools and the smaller conferences; but a decision has been made -and I don't know if it's one that's left to the individual schools or conferences to make, or comes from the NCAA - but we're seeing more an more of these "local" match-ups, and it's being done for the reasons you mention above... keep the revenue closer to home and help these smaller conferences.
And I have to admit that conferences like MAC, for the most part, are definitely stronger, more competitive, to what it was years ago. I know they've put the scare into OSU, and a few other big schools, over the last several years. And it wasn't simply luck. ;)
And look at what is going on with the Big East, which, for the most part, was primarily a basketball oriented conference for eons. They were never really taken seriously when it came to what football programs existed. But because there is so much money to be made they have been making serious efforts, investing in their football programs, getting other programs to join the conference, to raise the level and become competitive with their football programs.
So in the long run, while we may not like these cupcake games, is it having a positive effect in helping these programs become more competitive when before there wasn't that chance?
You can make an argument that no Ohio school needs more athletic revenue than does UC, so if that's OSU's primary objective, why won't they schedule the Bearcats?
First and foremost OSU wants to open against easy teams so they can have a so called pre-season. I admire schools who are willing to start the season running like Alabama and Mich did last year
Here's the thing too.... People can rag on Va Tech and argue that playing in Atlanta isn't truly a neutral site (and I hate Alabama and certainly would entertain the neutral site argument) but Beemer's teams are perennial top 20 teams. Before last season, the Hoakies were on a run of 8 straight 10+ win seasons.
This is a game the Tide could lose.
Sea Ray
08-29-2013, 10:29 AM
This is a game the Tide could lose.
And therein is the essence of a good game. If a ranked team "could lose" then it's a good game no matter who the opponent it. I agree...Bama fans would be a lot more comfortable if this first game was vs Buffalo
RedTeamGo!
08-29-2013, 10:59 AM
3:30 PM Toledo @ Missouri
Hey man, don't knock us Rockets! We have some bite.
bucksfan2
08-29-2013, 11:00 AM
I couldn't agree more. This is why OSU needs to schedule fewer MAC schools in its non conference schedule whereas Alabama, not so much
Alabama's non conference schedule is Va Tech, Colorado St, Georgia St., and Chattanooga. Maybe they should stop scheduling cupcakes.
The first couple of games are glorified preseason games. Games where smaller schools can earn a payday to fund their AD for playing a big school. I want to see the big Georgia vs. Clemson type games after both teams have been able to get their feet wet. I don't care that OSU plays Buffalo to start the season. Saying OSU needs to schedule less MAC schools is pretty laughable, especially when its the first game of the season.
BuckeyeRed27
08-29-2013, 11:25 AM
You can make an argument that no Ohio school needs more athletic revenue than does UC, so if that's OSU's primary objective, why won't they schedule the Bearcats?
Ohio State and UC play next year and in 2018 and have played 2 or 3 times in the past 12 years.
Sea Ray
08-29-2013, 11:41 AM
Alabama's non conference schedule is Va Tech, Colorado St, Georgia St., and Chattanooga. Maybe they should stop scheduling cupcakes.
The first couple of games are glorified preseason games. Games where smaller schools can earn a payday to fund their AD for playing a big school. I want to see the big Georgia vs. Clemson type games after both teams have been able to get their feet wet. I don't care that OSU plays Buffalo to start the season. Saying OSU needs to schedule less MAC schools is pretty laughable, especially when its the first game of the season.
I agree with you on Alabama which is why I previously said this:
I was really comparing conference schedules here but if you want to look at individual ones, I agree, Alabama's is about as easy as it can get. I honestly don't know what kind of team Va Tech is expecting this year but I gotta believe coach Beamer will field a competitive one.
I understand why OSU wants cupcakes early. It's so they can serve as pre season games but I think it's courageous to schedule challenging games early. As a fan of the college game, I'm glad some schools do schedule decent games early. I like OSU and I look forward to seeing them play the likes of Mich, Wisc and others who are their same size but I can't watch 3.5 hrs of them playing Buffalo
Here's the point regardless of program. The system is engineered in such a way that strength of schedule is factored in... It's possible strength of schedule will be an issue this year when determining the final rankings (and really the only reason this is a valid point is because SOS will likely be a issue). Bottom line, if the first month is really just preseason games, then don't be shocked if it ends up costing a spot or two in the polls-whether the team is in the Big Ten or the SEC.
dabvu2498
08-29-2013, 11:58 AM
To be fair, OSU had Vanderbilt (9-4 last year -- Go Dores!!!) scheduled for this weekend until Vandy backed out of the contract so they could be on TV on Thursday night vs. Ole Miss.
bucksfan2
08-29-2013, 12:27 PM
I understand why OSU wants cupcakes early. It's so they can serve as pre season games but I think it's courageous to schedule challenging games early. As a fan of the college game, I'm glad some schools do schedule decent games early. I like OSU and I look forward to seeing them play the likes of Mich, Wisc and others who are their same size but I can't watch 3.5 hrs of them playing Buffalo
I am confused with what you want schools to do? Each school needs X amount of home games a season in order to support their budget. It would be great if OSU would not only play Cal but also another BCS school. But the reality is logistics don't work out. Every good BCS program is going to have 3 games of 3.5 hours of bad football. Its the reality of the situation and no team is going to change.
Its why you appreciate each weak the handful of big games that are scheduled. At the same time while you applaud Clemson for playing Georgia in Week 1 do you also call their Week 2 tilt against South Carolina State unwatchable?
RiverRat13
08-29-2013, 12:52 PM
Here is Ohio State's future schedule. If somebody can give me three schools with more impressive nonconference schedules over the next 10 years, I'd like to see it:
http://www.theozone.net/football/futsched.htm
Of course, a year like 2018 looks like it could be very tough with three teams that could be top 25 teams by then, but that's a long time from now and all three programs might have falled off the map. That's the danger of scheduling so far in advance.
This year's OSU schedule is poor but as already mentioned, Cal was good when it was scheduled and Vandy backed out. I'm not really sure what OSU is supposed to do about those two things.
The Big 10 and SEC do not differ at all about how many quality nonconference teams they play but they do differ when they play them. Most SEC teams have a cupcake hidden somewhere in November while the B1G teams get all of theirs out of the way before the conference schedule starts. It is a tradition the B1G has not gotten away from all of these years and something I don't see changing once the B1G goes to a nine game conference schedule.
Brutus
08-29-2013, 01:35 PM
In the past 10 years, Ohio State has played Texas twice, USC twice, Miami twice, NC State twice, Cincinnati twice, Colorado, California and Washington; in the next 10, they'll play Cal, Virginia Tech twice, Cincinnati twice, Oklahoma twice, North Carolina twice, Oregon twice, Boston College twice and Texas twice.
Of all schools in the country in a conference, there is no one that deserves scheduling criticism less than Ohio State.
To be fair, OSU had Vanderbilt (9-4 last year -- Go Dores!!!) scheduled for this weekend until Vandy backed out of the contract so they could be on TV on Thursday night vs. Ole Miss.
That would've been a fun game to watch.
Sea Ray
08-29-2013, 02:02 PM
I am confused with what you want schools to do? Each school needs X amount of home games a season in order to support their budget. It would be great if OSU would not only play Cal but also another BCS school. But the reality is logistics don't work out. Every good BCS program is going to have 3 games of 3.5 hours of bad football. Its the reality of the situation and no team is going to change.
Its why you appreciate each weak the handful of big games that are scheduled. At the same time while you applaud Clemson for playing Georgia in Week 1 do you also call their Week 2 tilt against South Carolina State unwatchable?
I think you're confusing individual schedules with conference schedules. I have no idea how Clemson's schedule looks. I haven't checked. But if I take a look at the weekly conference schedules, the Big Ten has more "dead" weeks than they should have.
dabvu2498
08-29-2013, 02:11 PM
That would've been a fun game to watch.
Even as a Vandy fan, I agree.
Instead, we get UAB. And OSU gets Buffalo.
Although, the reward (tonight) could be pretty fun as well.
*BaseClogger*
08-29-2013, 03:51 PM
I couldn't agree more. This is why OSU needs to schedule fewer MAC schools in its non conference schedule whereas Alabama, not so much
These schedules are made a decade in advance--there is no way of knowing the quality of the conference at that time...
*BaseClogger*
08-29-2013, 03:56 PM
I think you're confusing individual schedules with conference schedules. I have no idea how Clemson's schedule looks. I haven't checked. But if I take a look at the weekly conference schedules, the Big Ten has more "dead" weeks than they should have.
That's because the conference sucks right now. WTF else do you want us to say?
Sea Ray
08-29-2013, 06:38 PM
These schedules are made a decade in advance--there is no way of knowing the quality of the conference at that time...
Given the reality that Buffalo is merely on the schedule because of a last minute cancellation, I think OSU's did just fine with their schedule. I'd much rather they play schools like SD ST and California than little MAC schools.
New York Red
08-29-2013, 07:20 PM
Bruce Feldman tweeted this morning that a Vegas bookmaker, Ed Salmons, said that SIX SEC teams would be favorites against #2 ranked Ohio State on a neutral site. Last year Vegas said six SEC schools, besides Bama, would be favored over Notre Dame in the BCS Championship game.
That's why SEC teams don't need to schedule more difficult OOC opponents. The conference slate alone makes their schedules tougher than any non-SEC schools. It would be senseless to add to that for any reason other than playing a traditional non-conference rival.
Danny Serafini
08-30-2013, 12:41 AM
For the record, Ohio St. replaced Vanderbilt with San Diego St. The Buffalo game was merely moved to make the schedules work better.
joshua
08-30-2013, 12:48 AM
Bruce Feldman tweeted this morning that a Vegas bookmaker, Ed Salmons, said that SIX SEC teams would be favorites against #2 ranked Ohio State on a neutral site. Last year Vegas said six SEC schools, besides Bama, would be favored over Notre Dame in the BCS Championship game.
That's why SEC teams don't need to schedule more difficult OOC opponents. The conference slate alone makes their schedules tougher than any non-SEC schools. It would be senseless to add to that for any reason other than playing a traditional non-conference rival.
Welp. It's official. Some guy in Vegas said it. Might as well pack it up and stop playing football in Columbus.
You can make an argument that no Ohio school needs more athletic revenue than does UC, so if that's OSU's primary objective, why won't they schedule the Bearcats?
Ohio State and UC play next year and in 2018 and have played 2 or 3 times in the past 12 years.
OSU and the Bearcats have squared off a total of 14 times in their history. In more recent history they've played each other in 1999, 2002, 2004, and 2006. OSU won all of them, and the last two meetings weren't even close.
I watch Bearcat football, and respect Bearcat fans. I have no problem at all with them having pride in their football program and the great strides it has taken. A couple of my cousins are alumni. And it's understandable that a lot of the colleges (smaller schools) in Ohio want that opportunity to play the "big guy" in the state for the exposure it brings, as well as revenue. But some in the Bearcat fan base seem to think OSU should give them some sort of preferential treatment, to the determent (exclusion) of some of the other fine colleges in Ohio that are also developing strong football programs.
I have no idea how Clemson's schedule looks. I haven't checked. But if I take a look at the weekly conference schedules, the Big Ten has more "dead" weeks than they should have.
Take the time to then look at some of these other conferences (team's) weekly schedule and you'll see they have just as many "dead" weeks. Maybe they don't clump them together in the first few weeks, like OSU and others do, but spread them out over the schedule, but does that really matter? They still have these cupcake games on their schedule.
bucksfan2
08-30-2013, 09:04 AM
Bruce Feldman tweeted this morning that a Vegas bookmaker, Ed Salmons, said that SIX SEC teams would be favorites against #2 ranked Ohio State on a neutral site. Last year Vegas said six SEC schools, besides Bama, would be favored over Notre Dame in the BCS Championship game.
That's why SEC teams don't need to schedule more difficult OOC opponents. The conference slate alone makes their schedules tougher than any non-SEC schools. It would be senseless to add to that for any reason other than playing a traditional non-conference rival.
Does that shock you? I was listening to an Urban Meyer interview with Colin Cowherd. The gist of the conversation was that right now OSU doesn't have Alabama speed. But they have freshman coming in who have top tier speed. Its going to be a process, but if everything comes together throughout the season OSU will have the talent to compete on neutral sites.
The one thing that has always struck me with the SEC is the unbalance of the divisions. It has always seemed like one side was loaded with talent while the other was experience a down period. It has led to less than stellar matchups in the SEC Championship game.
Sea Ray
08-30-2013, 09:48 AM
Take the time to then look at some of these other conferences (team's) weekly schedule and you'll see they have just as many "dead" weeks. Maybe they don't clump them together in the first few weeks, like OSU and others do, but spread them out over the schedule, but does that really matter? They still have these cupcake games on their schedule.
I guess it depends on which conferences you're talking about. I admit that I mainly follow SEC and Big Ten seeing as I live right on the border of both but maybe it's not to compare any conference to the SEC in football right now. I n looking at future Big Ten weekly matchups, there are generally only about 4 or 5 games per week and of those, one is generally compelling.
As a non partisan college football fan, last night's season opener in the SEC of Ole Miss-Vandy was incredible. It did not appear to be sloppy as someone mentioned earlier in this thread. The lead changed several times in the last two minutes and there were heroic individual moments. The game involved two teams that may or may not end the season ranked in the top 25 but I would guess that both will be bowling. The Big Ten doesn't have a chance to start their season that way. If Buffalo-OSU go back and forth like that, the story is not going to be what a great game it was. It'll be what's wrong with OSU?
GAC, you put a lot of effort into your weekly college football thread and it's excellent. :thumbup: Have you ever noticed that records of those predicting Big Ten games rarely vary more than one per week because the games are so predictable? Sure, you'll have upsets and the MAC does usually win a couple every year vs the B10 but it's just that, an upset and those don't usually separate out the RZ participants.
BuckeyeRed27
09-03-2013, 11:41 AM
Not to much chatter about the Buffalo game huh?
I hope the team just lost focus after that blistering start, but it wasn't a really warm and fuzzy game. Decker got abused and the defense looked suspect at times. Hopefully the defense will get fixed by adding Roby and Bryant back to the secondary, but I think this game showed how thin we are on that side of the ball.
medford
09-03-2013, 12:37 PM
I read somewhere that the Offensive Coordinator took blame for OSU lackluster offense in the 2nd half. He decided to go w/ a ground and pound game, even though that was exactly what Buffalo was setting up to stop. He didn't let them "play to what the defense was giving them" or something of that sort. I didn't see much of the game, so don't know what to make of that...
I thought it was interesting that Urb went for 2 after each of the first two touchdowns. I'm not sure what the "message" was in doing that. Get something on tape for future opponents to worry about? A fued w/ Buffalo's coach or defensive coordinator or perhaps AD? Something else? Who knows, interesting though.
As far as their defense goes, a less than stellar performance should have been suspected. For a lot of those guys, it was their first start of their OSU career. I believe Grant started a little bit early last year, and obviously Shazier started a bunch, but they were replacing 6 starters to last season's front 7 following Grant's benching. There is talent there, especially in the front 4 (lineback could be a problem if people don't start stepping up), but for many of them, it was their first opportunity to get extended action of game film "on tape" for them to be the man, playing at the start of the game, and long into the game, not having guys above them to provide the answers, etc.. Hopefully all they need is expierence, to be the focus of self film study, instead of seeing what John Hankins or another departed starter from the last couple of seasons was doing for 85% of the game while you only played a handful of snaps, most in garbage time.
bucksfan2
09-03-2013, 12:49 PM
Not to much chatter about the Buffalo game huh?
I hope the team just lost focus after that blistering start, but it wasn't a really warm and fuzzy game. Decker got abused and the defense looked suspect at times. Hopefully the defense will get fixed by adding Roby and Bryant back to the secondary, but I think this game showed how thin we are on that side of the ball.
A couple of things to consider.
Shazier missed most of the 2nd and 3rd quarters. I think he may have been off the field for all of Buffalo's points.
Their 2nd best defensive player was suspended in Roby.
Their best pure RB was also suspended in Hyde.
As for the 2 pt conversion plays it looked like Urban was telling every opponent that OSU plays that they must look out for it.
Red Buckeye
09-03-2013, 02:36 PM
Sloppy first game, but I am not concerned. A lot of the starters, including All American Roby weren't playing.
I am concerned with Miller hanging onto the ball to long.
As for Meyer going for 2 pt conversions, I think he was simply trying to score a lot of points. All of the pundits in the media are being negative about OSU's soft schedule, and most have said OSU needs to put up big numbers in their games.
So Meyer was trying to put up big numbers. I loved it. No mercy.
HeatherC1212
09-04-2013, 10:45 AM
As for Meyer going for 2 pt conversions, I think he was simply trying to score a lot of points. All of the pundits in the media are being negative about OSU's soft schedule, and most have said OSU needs to put up big numbers in their games.
So Meyer was trying to put up big numbers. I loved it. No mercy.
I agree and I also think Meyer was aware that his defense wasn't very experienced so he was trying to give them as much of a lead as he could to keep the pressure off them as long as possible. I think they'll get better as they get more reps in these early games and PLEASE let Roby come back this week!
BTW-I totally go into about a twenty minute argument on Twitter with actor Michael Raymond-James (he was in Terriers, True Blood, and is currently on Once Upon a Time) regarding the two point conversion thing early in the game and I'm still laughing about it now. Nothing mean was said on either side but we were TOTALLY on two different sides of the issue and eventually he just stopped replying to me. I must have hit a nerve in my defense of the two pt. conversions (and the fact that I'm a Buckeye fan probably annoyed him too since he's a Michigan guy), LOL :laugh: :beerme: :eek:
RiverRat13
09-04-2013, 12:59 PM
I could be wrong but I'm guessing the 2-point thing is an automatic call. If the defense has as many or less players as the offense has blockers when it initially lines up, they automatically snap the ball and run it in. If the defense has more players than the offense has blockers, they simply shift the formation and kick the PAT.
bucksfan2
09-04-2013, 01:21 PM
I could be wrong but I'm guessing the 2-point thing is an automatic call. If the defense has as many or less players as the offense has blockers when it initially lines up, they automatically snap the ball and run it in. If the defense has more players than the offense has blockers, they simply shift the formation and kick the PAT.
They actually ran two different plays. The first one I believe was a direct snap to Guiton and he ran it in for a TD. The second one was a snap to Guiton and then he threw a pass to someone standing behind a wall of blocking. I think both plays were intentional giving opposing coaches something to think about.
I have seen teams line up in formations like OSU did on every extra point only to shift back once the D matches up. OSU did not continue to do the odd formation on their subsequent TD's. They lined up in a a regular extra point formation and kicked the try like normal.
RedTeamGo!
09-04-2013, 01:38 PM
I think both plays were intentional giving opposing coaches something to think about.
Something to think about on PATs?
Why would Urban Meyer intentionally give opposing coaches tape on his 2 point conversion plays? I don't understand the point of running 2 point conversions after those TDs.
medford
09-04-2013, 01:53 PM
Something to think about on PATs?
Why would Urban Meyer intentionally give opposing coaches tape on his 2 point conversion plays? I don't understand the point of running 2 point conversions after those TDs.
College football teams only have so many hours that they are legally allowed to practice, perhaps Urb is attempting to get oppossing teams to spend a couple of those hours preparing for something he never intends to run during the regular season. It could also be used to set up something completely different out of a normal extra point formation that the defense isn't prepared for b/c they spent all their time working on the other formation that they used for the Buffalo game.
I remember during the national title season, Tressle ran a handful of plays out of one particular formation. On all of those plays, Clarrett would head in the same direction. Meanwhile, all season long, they had worked on one additional play out of that formation during practice, but never ran until Michigan week. With 12 prior games of film to study off, Michigan probably felt pretty confident that when OSU went into that specific formation, they were going to do x, y, or z. However, sometime late in the 3rd quarter, OSU lined up in that formation, and had Clarett run a wheel route out of that formation, something they had not shown on film all season long. Clarett was wide open and it led to a huge gain on 3rd down, getting down close to the goal line, IIRC and seting up a touchdown at a crucial moment. Basically Tressel had been running a diversion all season long, so that in a crucial moment against Michigan he had things setup perfectly.
I doubt Urb felt like he needed to give his defense as many points as possible. He knew his offense could/would score points. They only time they failed was when they stopped themselves w/ silly turnovers or by being too conservative and forcing a run game into 8/9 man fronts. OSU probably could have put 60 on the boards if needed. Now there could be a gruge against Buffalo or someone on their staff/administration, but most likely Urban was trying to give oppossing coaches something to think/worry about rather than concentrating on the more basic things that OSU does.
Meyer values special teams alot. He'll tend to be innovative in the kicking game. The first two PAT plays were likely read plays like river rat suggested. They went bland when the score was "in hand" in order to avoid showing his hand.
bucksfan2
09-04-2013, 03:23 PM
College football teams only have so many hours that they are legally allowed to practice, perhaps Urb is attempting to get oppossing teams to spend a couple of those hours preparing for something he never intends to run during the regular season. It could also be used to set up something completely different out of a normal extra point formation that the defense isn't prepared for b/c they spent all their time working on the other formation that they used for the Buffalo game.
I remember during the national title season, Tressle ran a handful of plays out of one particular formation. On all of those plays, Clarrett would head in the same direction. Meanwhile, all season long, they had worked on one additional play out of that formation during practice, but never ran until Michigan week. With 12 prior games of film to study off, Michigan probably felt pretty confident that when OSU went into that specific formation, they were going to do x, y, or z. However, sometime late in the 3rd quarter, OSU lined up in that formation, and had Clarett run a wheel route out of that formation, something they had not shown on film all season long. Clarett was wide open and it led to a huge gain on 3rd down, getting down close to the goal line, IIRC and seting up a touchdown at a crucial moment. Basically Tressel had been running a diversion all season long, so that in a crucial moment against Michigan he had things setup perfectly.
I doubt Urb felt like he needed to give his defense as many points as possible. He knew his offense could/would score points. They only time they failed was when they stopped themselves w/ silly turnovers or by being too conservative and forcing a run game into 8/9 man fronts. OSU probably could have put 60 on the boards if needed. Now there could be a gruge against Buffalo or someone on their staff/administration, but most likely Urban was trying to give oppossing coaches something to think/worry about rather than concentrating on the more basic things that OSU does.
This all stems from Woody Hayes. In every practice Woody would set aside time to work in beating Michigan. It has morphed into something completely different but the more looks you show a team the more time they need to spend practicing for it and the less time they can spend practicing on something else.
BillDoran
09-04-2013, 03:43 PM
Meyer said in the post-game presser that they ran the 2-pt conversions to give other teams something to think about. He said it was a "pain in the butt" to have to prepare for extra minutiae.
This all stems from Woody Hayes. In every practice Woody would set aside time to work in beating Michigan. It has morphed into something completely different but the more looks you show a team the more time they need to spend practicing for it and the less time they can spend practicing on something else.
Teams should already know they need to prepare on special teams for a Meyer-led team. If they didn't, Meyer would be making a mistake by enlightening them.
Given there is such a limited time to jam everything in, it makes little sense to devote practice time to just to "muddy the waters".
Red Buckeye
09-08-2013, 11:07 AM
I thought all things considered OSU played a very fine game yesterday. Braxton goes down and smooth Kenny G handles things admirably. I honestly believe if you asked coaches in the B1G whom in the B1G they would want as a starter all but a few teams would pick Kenny Guiton.
Dontre Wilson is an absolute stud! Thank you Chip Kelly for leaving Oregon and giving us this gift!
And I am giddy thinking about when Carlos Hyde comes back. The offense is humming along and the defense is showing signs of greatness. The D line is scary good and the scariest part about the D line is they are all first year starters (I believe they are all freshman but I don't remember for sure).
Bring on Cal!
medford
09-10-2013, 09:36 AM
Worthington is a true Soph I believe, same thing goes for Spence.
Bennet is a true junior. My wife taught him, great kid, better family.
Steve Miller is a Junior
Bosa is a true Frosh.
Lots of youth across that front, all of them should be back next year, so they'll have two seasons to go and mature together.
Uh oh, trouble brewing at Ok St. Will be interesting to see if anything comes of this.
Redsfaithful
09-10-2013, 04:24 PM
These exposes get lamer and lamer, imo. You can find violations at any program, because the rules are idiotic and I doubt taken seriously by players who have nothing.
These kids see the wealth their work creates. If someone gives them an envelope full of cash I doubt most are going to feel morally conflicted. Nor should they.
bucksfan2
09-10-2013, 04:47 PM
These exposes get lamer and lamer, imo. You can find violations at any program, because the rules are idiotic and I doubt taken seriously by players who have nothing.
These kids see the wealth their work creates. If someone gives them an envelope full of cash I doubt most are going to feel morally conflicted. Nor should they.
Darren Rovell tweeted
IMG College Prez Ben Sutton says the avg benefit, including scholarship, to college student athlete is $91,000 a year #BBSports
Its kind of hard to imagine that more than a handful of athletes at a given university are worth more than their average benefits.
“But then in addition to that, having worked with Thayer Evans at Fox Sports, having followed his work for some time, I am completely and utterly flabbergasted that a legitimate news outlet would allow Thayer Evans to be involved in some type of investigative piece on college football that tears down a program, and particularly one that tears down Oklahoma State when it is no secret what a huge, enormous, gigantic Oklahoma homer Thayer Evans is. This is just incredible. Knowing the lack of competence that’s there with Thayer Evans, knowing the level of simplemindedness that’s there with Thayer Evans, to base any part of the story on his reporting is mind-boggling.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx/Jason_Whitlock_slams_SI_writer_Thayer_Evans/11-22173
I will say this much, I agree that something Thayer Evans writes shouldn't be trusted at face value without multiple named sources.
And the money quote:
“ … Let me end by saying this and I honestly mean this without malice. It wouldn’t shock me if Thayer Evans couldn’t spell cat and I say in all seriousness.”
Danny Serafini
09-10-2013, 07:47 PM
Don't know anything about Thayer Evans, but if Jason Whitlock says he is a hack writer, I'll assume the guy is a Pulitzer candidate then.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2013-09-10/oklahoma-state-report-sports-illustrated-rodrick-johnson-denial
Redsfaithful
09-11-2013, 02:11 PM
Darren Rovell tweeted
That stat may be right, hard to tell because accounting can show just about anything you want it to.
As an aside, Darren Rovell is a tremendous idiot and an awful human being.
Chip R
09-11-2013, 03:02 PM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx/Jason_Whitlock_slams_SI_writer_Thayer_Evans/11-22173
I will say this much, I agree that something Thayer Evans writes shouldn't be trusted at face value without multiple named sources.
Odd that SI would get an acknowledged OU fan to do an expose about Okie St. Also odd they would go after Okie St. It's like going after Purdue. :confused:
Odd that SI would get an acknowledged OU fan to do an expose about Okie St. Also odd they would go after Okie St. It's like going after Purdue. :confused:
I think for their narrative, they wanted to target a program that has made a fairly recent jump to national prominence concerning.
I just hope Meyer starts Guiton this week. And I'm not afraid to say I'm a little concerned about this game. OSU's D, especially backfield, is gonna get tested. They gave us a heck of a game last year in Columbus, and IMO, we could have very easily lost it.
RedTeamGo!
09-13-2013, 08:16 AM
Osu 49
cal 14
Red Buckeye
09-13-2013, 08:36 AM
This Cal isn't nearly as good as least years Cal team, and that's saying something. Also, our D is much better than last years D as well.
I would say I am concerned if Miller doesn't start, but Guiton would be the starting QB on 85% of the teams out there. He is more than capable.
Buckeyes roll in this one 38-14.
Larkin Fan
09-14-2013, 07:33 PM
Guitton looking good. 21-0 with 9 min left in the first.
Can't believe how fortunate we are to have a starting caliber QB as our backup.
Bush league sideline hit by Shazier. I hate when I see that from teams I follow. He ought to be benched.
traderumor
09-16-2013, 04:13 PM
Bush league sideline hit by Shazier. I hate when I see that from teams I follow. He ought to be benched.If it wasn't the QB, it probably wasn't even called. I'm not even sure a cleat had hit the ground out of bounds. Looked like a knee jerk, NFL-like, oops, can't hit the QB type penalty.
traderumor
09-16-2013, 04:17 PM
Absurd rule changes:
helmet comes off, defender must take himself out of play. Failure to do so is a 15 yard penalty. If its an offensive guy, the play is whistled dead immediately.
Did they really have to change a longstanding touchback rule with ball going to 20. What is the 5 yards meant to affect?
Ongoing stupidity rule is celebration. You can prance around after a good defensive stop, or a good catch, but not after a score or change of possession. Plus, the refs are hawking the players after a score, warning them not to celebrate.
Chip R
09-16-2013, 04:26 PM
Absurd rule changes:
helmet comes off, defender must take himself out of play. Failure to do so is a 15 yard penalty. If its an offensive guy, the play is whistled dead immediately.
I agree. The rule has good intentions but an offensive lineman can just intentionally knock his defender's helmet off and it's a penalty on the defense. Perhaps they need to tweak it a bit to where it's whistled dead no matter what.
Did they really have to change a longstanding touchback rule with ball going to 20. What is the 5 yards meant to affect?
It's another safety rule. They figure the receiving team would rather have the sure start on the 25 than risking a runback and players potentially getting hurt. It also makes the kicking team kick it to the goal line where the receiving team can't take a knee for a touchback and the kicking team can stop them inside the 25 and also allow for the possibility of a long return.
Ongoing stupidity rule is celebration. You can prance around after a good defensive stop, or a good catch, but not after a score or change of possession. Plus, the refs are hawking the players after a score, warning them not to celebrate.
That one's pretty silly too.
BuckeyeRed27
09-16-2013, 04:53 PM
Buckeye fans showed up this weekend. That crowd was at least 60% Ohio State. I know Cal isn't that good, but they should be embarrassed they let that happen at their home stadium.
medford
09-16-2013, 05:00 PM
I believe both rules go back to last season. I know the kick off one does, I thought the helmet one did as well, though I'm not sure about the 15 yard penalty. If its a safety thing, they should absolutely stop play under the player who's helmet came off (for whatever reason) is on the sidelines. If he's healthy, let him back in the next play, but don't let him linger on the field, perhaps in confusion from recieving a blow hard enough to knock his helmet off and risk further injury.
medford
09-16-2013, 05:03 PM
Gotta be impressed w/ Guiton, I wonder if his play the last 2 weeks has put him in the minds of some NFL GM as a potential non-drafted roster invitee w/ a chance as the 3rd string QB running the practice squad.
I don't know if he has the NFL measurables in terms of height or not, but I think many teams could do worse for their 3rd string QB sitting on the practice squad (which I think by nature of the practice squad means it has to be a fairly young QB with little to no NFL experience, can't just stash a washed up 8 year vet on the practice squad as your 3rd string QB)
Revering4Blue
09-16-2013, 05:21 PM
Gotta be impressed w/ Guiton, I wonder if his play the last 2 weeks has put him in the minds of some NFL GM as a potential non-drafted roster invitee w/ a chance as the 3rd string QB running the practice squad.
I don't know if he has the NFL measurables in terms of height or not, but I think many teams could do worse for their 3rd string QB sitting on the practice squad (which I think by nature of the practice squad means it has to be a fairly young QB with little to no NFL experience, can't just stash a washed up 8 year vet on the practice squad as your 3rd string QB)
Dane Brugler of NFLDraftScout.com said it's too early to say whether or not Ohio State senior QB Kenny Guiton is a draft prospect.
Guiton completed 21 of 32 attempts for 276 yards and four touchdowns and ran for 92 yards in a 52-34 victory over Cal on Saturday. "Next level evaluators love raw, talented players who show the physical ability and mental make-up that can be developed, especially at the quarterback position," Brugler wrote. "Last year the San Francisco 49ers drafted former South Florida quarterback B.J. Daniels in the seventh round after a lackluster career at South Florida, but the Niners saw a worthwhile project. And it wouldn't be surprising if a NFL team thought the same about Guiton next May." Head coach Urban Meyer has insinuated that Guiton could see the field even when Braxton Miller returns from injury.
http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/cfb/college-football
RiverRat13
09-18-2013, 01:42 PM
Good article about how the media has "evolved" on their stance of college athletes taking extra benefits since Tatgate:
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2013/09/26009/evolution-college-football-media-pryor-fluker-ohio-state-alabama
BuckeyeRed27
09-18-2013, 04:19 PM
Good article about how the media has "evolved" on their stance of college athletes taking extra benefits since Tatgate:
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2013/09/26009/evolution-college-football-media-pryor-fluker-ohio-state-alabama
I think the turning point in the coverage was Sandusky. That was so bad and so real, that it made it hard to drum up outrage for menial items like selling jerseys or autographs. Ohio State's national appeal/image had something to do with the coverage difference as well, but I think it that happened this year instead of 2010 it would still be covered very differently and the punishment would be less severe as well.
I think the turning point in the coverage was Sandusky. That was so bad and so real, that it made it hard to drum up outrage for menial items like selling jerseys or autographs. Ohio State's national appeal/image had something to do with the coverage difference as well, but I think it that happened this year instead of 2010 it would still be covered very differently and the punishment would be less severe as well.
Another factor is that its painfully obvious that college football is making insane amounts of money and its becoming increasingly difficult the disparity between the worth of a football program and the benefits a student athlete receives to pass the "gut" test.
Red Buckeye
09-27-2013, 09:39 AM
OK so who does everyone have winning this weekend?
Surprise surprise Mark "I lied about going to the UM-ND game" May thinks Wisconsin wins.
So do a lot of the national pundits.
I am really surprised by this and am hoping they don't know something we don't know, but I have OSU winning by 3 TD's.
I think our team plays jacked up with the rabid home crowd, and I think our 2 QB's will give Wisconsin fits all game.
Ohio State 42 Wisconsin 21 is my prediction.
traderumor
09-27-2013, 10:48 AM
It will be a typical OSU/Wiscy game, close to the end, Bucks scoring late to make it 31-20.
BuckeyeRed27
09-27-2013, 11:10 AM
It's tough because we don't really know a lot about this team due to the weak schedule so far. If we are as good as I think we are this is going to be a complete blow out, like 48-17.
medford
09-27-2013, 01:25 PM
There are a ton of question marks for OSU. How healthy is Braxton, how much rust will he show, how much mental confidence does he have in his knee? OSU hasn't really been tested, even less against the run on a team that is replacing 6/7 of its front 4 and outside of Shazier has question marks at linebacker.
The key for OSU is to get out to an early lead, force Wisky away from running the ball. So far this season, this team has been good at coming out and scoring quickly in the 1st quarter. If they can replicate that, and get an early 2 TD lead, they could cruise to an easy victory. however, if Wisky can gain momentum early, establish the run and melt the clock away, it could be a rough day for OSU. I don't think this ends up a close game (ie under 10 points) but either team could be on the winning end, I'll give OSU a 75% chance of being the team to come out on the winning edge, but to ignore the question marks would be foolish.
traderumor
09-27-2013, 03:29 PM
Wisconsin hasn't played anyone yet either. So they aren't exactly a known quantity...new coach, weak opponents, run heavy possession offense, does D have necessary speed to stop the Buckeyes....
Boston Red
09-27-2013, 03:42 PM
Arizona State is pretty good. Granted, Wisconsin lost that game (or had it stolen from them depending on who you ask).
RedTeamGo!
09-27-2013, 03:54 PM
Ohio State should win every game on their schedule, but Wisconsin always makes me nervous.
bucksfan2
09-27-2013, 04:04 PM
I think this is Urban's first game with all of "his" troops playing a quality opponent. Miller may be rusty but I think OSU has to go with him for the entire game. If they play well I think its a 2 score game. The talent level is just skewed to OSU's advantage. Wisconsin will need to run the ball and keep the score down in order to have a chance.
BuckeyeRed27
09-29-2013, 02:32 PM
Overall pretty happy with the game last night. Didn't love the play calling late in the game as we had the opportunity and really should have put that away and won by 2 or 3 scores. Credit Wisconsin as well for having the throw and doing a good job of doing so. Abracadabra just abused Roby and I was pretty stunned by that. Secondary in general had some issues and losing Bryant to a broken ankle isn't going to help.
I'm heading to Chicago next weekend for the Northwestern game and can't wait, should be a good one.
BuckeyeRed27
10-07-2013, 11:28 AM
Had a great time in Chicago and at Ryan Field on Saturday. Glad the rain came in early.
Boston Red
10-07-2013, 11:42 AM
I was looking at the Buckeyes' remaining schedule and realizing just how atrocious the Big Ten is this year. Not OSU's fault, of course. Michigan might be back on track after almost losing to two of the worst teams in the country in Akron and UConn, though, so that still may be a pretty stiff test. But OSU shouldn't be seriously tested until then. Assuming someone beats either Oregon or Alabama, things are looking awfully good for an OSU visit to the championship game.
I was looking at the Buckeyes' remaining schedule and realizing just how atrocious the Big Ten is this year. Not OSU's fault, of course. Michigan might be back on track after almost losing to two of the worst teams in the country in Akron and UConn, though, so that still may be a pretty stiff test. But OSU shouldn't be seriously tested until then. Assuming someone beats either Oregon or Alabama, things are looking awfully good for an OSU visit to the championship game.
Actually, they'd better be looking in their rear view mirrors at Stanford and FSU and depending upon how Georgia runs the table, the Dawgs.
Given the OSU schedule and the increasing national sentiment that the Big 10 is down, there is no gurantee that OSU won't be leap-frogged. Oregon could lose to Stanford and OSU could still find itself behind both schools. The FSU/Clemson game should be musct see tv for Buckeye nation.
Boston Red
10-07-2013, 12:10 PM
No one with a loss (Georgia) is leap-frogging OSU. Even if they did, it would mean UGA beat Bama, knocking Bama below the Buckeyes. Stanford, were they to beat Oregon, probably would get the nod. Florida State suffers the same issue Ohio State does in that the ACC is pretty lousy as a whole. They at least have Clemson as another top team to point to in that league, but I still do not think going undefeated against the ACC schedule would be enough to jump Ohio State. It could be close if Florida is highly rated when FSU plays and (obviously in this scenario) beats them.
No one with a loss (Georgia) is leap-frogging OSU. Even if they did, it would mean UGA beat Bama, knocking Bama below the Buckeyes. Stanford, were they to beat Oregon, probably would get the nod. Florida State suffers the same issue Ohio State does in that the ACC is pretty lousy as a whole. They at least have Clemson as another top team to point to in that league, but I still do not think going undefeated against the ACC schedule would be enough to jump Ohio State. It could be close if Florida is highly rated when FSU plays and (obviously in this scenario) beats them.
Bama had a loss each of the last two seasons and did not get significantly dinged lower in the polls. I'm just saying, I wouldn't count any chickens if your schedule is considered weak. For instance, Louisville has virtually no chance of being in the BCS championship game although they started in the top ten and look like they'll run the table. And right now there is a compelling case to be made that Oregon, Stanford, Bama, FSU and Clemson are all better teams than OSU. Vegas doesn't even think OSU is better than Georgia, A&M, or LSU-all one loss teams. There is what one thinks should happen to their team and then there is what the system that is in it's last year because of the arguments it has caused does to one's team.
kaldaniels
10-07-2013, 01:57 PM
Bama had a loss each of the last two seasons and did not get significantly dinged lower in the polls. I'm just saying, I wouldn't count any chickens if your schedule is considered weak. For instance, Louisville has virtually no chance of being in the BCS championship game although they started in the top ten and look like they'll run the table. And right now there is a compelling case to be made that Oregon, Stanford, Bama, FSU and Clemson are all better teams than OSU. Vegas doesn't even think OSU is better than Georgia, A&M, or LSU-all one loss teams. There is what one thinks should happen to their team and then there is what the system that is in it's last year because of the arguments it has caused does to one's team.
As far as winning the BCS, Vegas thinks the Bucks are better odds. They consider OSU at least 4 times as likely to win the BCS title than any of the other teams.
Head to head would be another story...but the discussion at hand revolves around OSU making and/or winning the BCS title.
Sportsbook.com
OSU +550
UGA +2500
LSU +3000
JohnnyFootball +7500
Boston Red
10-07-2013, 02:03 PM
Bama had a loss each of the last two seasons and did not get significantly dinged lower in the polls. I'm just saying, I wouldn't count any chickens if your schedule is considered weak. For instance, Louisville has virtually no chance of being in the BCS championship game although they started in the top ten and look like they'll run the table. And right now there is a compelling case to be made that Oregon, Stanford, Bama, FSU and Clemson are all better teams than OSU. Vegas doesn't even think OSU is better than Georgia, A&M, or LSU-all one loss teams. There is what one thinks should happen to their team and then there is what the system that is in it's last year because of the arguments it has caused does to one's team.
Louisville's schedule is beyond terrible. Ohio State's is just bad. OSU is not getting into the title game over an undefeated team from the SEC or the Pac-12. That may also be true of an undefeated ACC team. But OSU is not being left out for ANY one loss team.
kaldaniels
10-07-2013, 02:03 PM
Sportsbook actually has some interesting BCS title odds.
Bama +200
Oregon +225
Baylor +550
Northwestern +500000
If there is any path to NW winning the BCS...you would win 25000 on a 5 dollar bet.
BuckeyeRed27
10-07-2013, 02:39 PM
It's too early to start worrying about all this stuff. There is a ton of big games left to play and there is always some crazy upset.
The only top team that concerns me is Oregon. They haven't really played anyone yet, but with the way OSU's defense has looked the past couple weeks I'm not sure that is a good match up. I would give OSU at least a coin flip against Alabama, Stanford, and Clemson.
medford
10-08-2013, 09:54 AM
How many times have we sat in the middle or late October and asked ourselves, what happens if these 3, 4, or 5 teams go undefeated? How many times have we looked at the schedules in early October and thought, we'll certainly these 3, 4, or 5 teams are going to go undefeated, just look at who they have left remaining? How many times have we christened in the New Year with more than 2 undefeated teams? One time? USC, Oklahoma & LSU in 2004(?), can't think of any others. More often than not, we're debating b/w multiple teams with 1 (or more losses) to match up w/ the only undefeated major conference team.
As an OSU fan, I'm not really worried about being left out of the championship game. If the Buckeyes run the table, history indicates they will likely get an invite. If this happens to be one of those rare years, then such is life. Go to LA, win the rosebowl and celebrate 26 straight wins. I don't care who you are, I don't care what conference you play in, going undefeated over an entire season is very, very difficult. Going undefeated over 2 seasons is doubly tough. It would be kind of fun to watch them make a run at going undefeated over 3 seasons.
bucksfan2
10-08-2013, 10:42 AM
Louisville's schedule is beyond terrible. Ohio State's is just bad. OSU is not getting into the title game over an undefeated team from the SEC or the Pac-12. That may also be true of an undefeated ACC team. But OSU is not being left out for ANY one loss team.
Ohio State schedule both Cal and Vandy this season. It isn't their fault that Cal sucked and Vandy backed out. I found it ironic about how much was made from OSU playing Florida A&M when Alabama played Georgia St. in week 6 and then Chattanooga in its second last game of the season.
If OSU runs the table a 1 loss team isn't going to leapfrog them. I doubt that there will be more than 2 undefeated teams this season. It kind of reminds me of how ND was going to get left out last season, that was until they finished the season ranked #1 and Alabama who needed help and lots of it got into the title game.
Boston Red
10-08-2013, 11:43 AM
. I found it ironic about how much was made from OSU playing Florida A&M
I don't know how, but someone should have found a way for Louisville and Ohio State to play each other that weekend instead of each pounding Florida Nobody 70+ to 0.
Ohio State schedule both Cal and Vandy this season. It isn't their fault that Cal sucked and Vandy backed out. I found it ironic about how much was made from OSU playing Florida A&M when Alabama played Georgia St. in week 6 and then Chattanooga in its second last game of the season.
If OSU runs the table a 1 loss team isn't going to leapfrog them. I doubt that there will be more than 2 undefeated teams this season. It kind of reminds me of how ND was going to get left out last season, that was until they finished the season ranked #1 and Alabama who needed help and lots of it got into the title game.
It may not be anyone's fault but the meaning of undefeated is nonetheless altered and for whatever reason OSU's schedule leaves that interpretation in the hands of others more than what I think is ideal.
Hillsdale87
10-08-2013, 12:10 PM
Bama had a loss each of the last two seasons and did not get significantly dinged lower in the polls. I'm just saying, I wouldn't count any chickens if your schedule is considered weak. For instance, Louisville has virtually no chance of being in the BCS championship game although they started in the top ten and look like they'll run the table. And right now there is a compelling case to be made that Oregon, Stanford, Bama, FSU and Clemson are all better teams than OSU. Vegas doesn't even think OSU is better than Georgia, A&M, or LSU-all one loss teams. There is what one thinks should happen to their team and then there is what the system that is in it's last year because of the arguments it has caused does to one's team.
I don't think there's any way that OSU belongs in the conversation for the National Championship at this point. I'm an OSU fan, but I'm not sure they're even a top 10 team right now.
The defense is bad. It is a serious liability, and there is no reason for that considering the talent on that side of the ball. To give up the passing yards to Wisconsin and NW, teams that don't even like to pass the ball, is inexcusable. If that doesn't get fixed by the end of the year, Fickell needs to go. The defense made a lot of progress throughout the year last year, so hopefully we will see the same thing this year. But unless and until that happens, OSU is just not a great team. I think any of those top 5 teams that jojo listed would embarrass OSU at this point.
LoganBuck
10-10-2013, 02:49 PM
I don't think there's any way that OSU belongs in the conversation for the National Championship at this point. I'm an OSU fan, but I'm not sure they're even a top 10 team right now.
The defense is bad. It is a serious liability, and there is no reason for that considering the talent on that side of the ball. To give up the passing yards to Wisconsin and NW, teams that don't even like to pass the ball, is inexcusable. If that doesn't get fixed by the end of the year, Fickell needs to go. The defense made a lot of progress throughout the year last year, so hopefully we will see the same thing this year. But unless and until that happens, OSU is just not a great team. I think any of those top 5 teams that jojo listed would embarrass OSU at this point.
People seem to forget that Ohio State has a very young defense. Ryan Shazier is the only returning starter in the front 7, then subtract Christian Bryant from the back end at S. True Freshmen are logging important minutes. Lets just see what this looks like in three weeks. Teams grow and develop. I don't know why people don't think that the young Ohio State defense won't get better. I often think back to the 2004 team, that was very young on Offense and Defense. They were a train wreck in the early part of the Big Ten season. But the young guys started to catch on, the coaches knew what they had to work with, and by November they were a serious handful. Including beating a veteran Michigan squad. The defensive line has been very good. The linebackers have been ok. The secondary has been a problem. Give them some time. The schedule opens up a little.
traderumor
10-10-2013, 03:00 PM
I don't think there's any way that OSU belongs in the conversation for the National Championship at this point. I'm an OSU fan, but I'm not sure they're even a top 10 team right now.
The defense is bad. It is a serious liability, and there is no reason for that considering the talent on that side of the ball. To give up the passing yards to Wisconsin and NW, teams that don't even like to pass the ball, is inexcusable. If that doesn't get fixed by the end of the year, Fickell needs to go. The defense made a lot of progress throughout the year last year, so hopefully we will see the same thing this year. But unless and until that happens, OSU is just not a great team. I think any of those top 5 teams that jojo listed would embarrass OSU at this point.I think this is unintended hyperbole. The offense is one of the best in the nation. It is explosive, has a big back, some scat backs, a QB that can run and with a strong arm, above average receivers, and a very good offensive line. The defense is giving up points, but this isn't Tressel ball anymore. The defensive line has shown dramatic improvement and some stars are emerging. The LBers have been pretty good despite playing a bunch of spread O's so far. The dbacks are a cause for grave concern, but they can develop as the Dline continues to pressure the QB increasingly each week.
The highlighted part makes me wonder, NW doesn't like to pass the ball? They run the spread. And Wisconsin, they were dared to beat us with the pass after stopping their glaring strength to run the ball in its tracks. How did that turn out?
I think the pass coverage crew keeps this team from championship game talk as of today, but to say they are not even top 10 is little more than hyperbole.
Sea Ray
10-15-2013, 10:44 AM
Ohio State schedule both Cal and Vandy this season. It isn't their fault that Cal sucked and Vandy backed out. I found it ironic about how much was made from OSU playing Florida A&M when Alabama played Georgia St. in week 6 and then Chattanooga in its second last game of the season.
If OSU runs the table a 1 loss team isn't going to leapfrog them. I doubt that there will be more than 2 undefeated teams this season. It kind of reminds me of how ND was going to get left out last season, that was until they finished the season ranked #1 and Alabama who needed help and lots of it got into the title game.
It's not about faults here. It's not OSU's fault that the Big Ten is so weak either but it's a fact when evaluating OSU's season. Computers looking at strength of schedule don't have a program installed for "fault".
All in all, I do think if OSU is undefeated that they will find themselves in the NC game. Other teams will take on enough losses to see to it that that happens. Then the issue is will OSU once again embarrass itself and the Big Ten since that may very well be the first really good team they've played
I don't think there's any way that OSU belongs in the conversation for the National Championship at this point. I'm an OSU fan, but I'm not sure they're even a top 10 team right now.
The defense is bad. It is a serious liability, and there is no reason for that considering the talent on that side of the ball. To give up the passing yards to Wisconsin and NW, teams that don't even like to pass the ball, is inexcusable. If that doesn't get fixed by the end of the year, Fickell needs to go. The defense made a lot of progress throughout the year last year, so hopefully we will see the same thing this year. But unless and until that happens, OSU is just not a great team. I think any of those top 5 teams that jojo listed would embarrass OSU at this point.
With Michigan's loss to Penn State, it's very possible that even if OSU wins out, they will not have a single victory against a top 15 opponent since Meyer took the helm. Undefeated may not be an instant ticket for OSU.
traderumor
10-15-2013, 02:25 PM
Watched a little bit of Oregon Saturday. WOW is all I can for the offense. Either Pac-12 D's are pathetic (I don't know how good UW D was), but that offense is talented. Still, I don't know what they're doing, but they had wide receivers running wide open 25-30 yards down the field, no defenders even in the picture. Ohio State's O is pretty good, but what I saw Saturday night was head and shoulders above anything else I've seen.
But then, I think Oregon gets the same rap Ohio State does--weak non-conference + weak conference = weak schedule and hard to say if they are legitimate. However, is SEC full of reputation moreso than greatness this year?
BuckeyeRed27
10-15-2013, 03:37 PM
Watched a little bit of Oregon Saturday. WOW is all I can for the offense. Either Pac-12 D's are pathetic (I don't know how good UW D was), but that offense is talented. Still, I don't know what they're doing, but they had wide receivers running wide open 25-30 yards down the field, no defenders even in the picture. Ohio State's O is pretty good, but what I saw Saturday night was head and shoulders above anything else I've seen.
But then, I think Oregon gets the same rap Ohio State does--weak non-conference + weak conference = weak schedule and hard to say if they are legitimate. However, is SEC full of reputation moreso than greatness this year?
Oregon won't have that problem this year as the Pac12 might be better than the SEC. Oregon had a terrible schedule to open the season, but gets much tougher starting with last weeks game. Oregon has always looked amazing every year until the run into a really good defense (e.g. LSU, Ohio St, Auburn) and all of the sudden they can only score 21 points. Maybe this verision is different, but I doubt it.
Ohio St just needs to take care of business and not have a scare against a team like Iowa or Pudue and it will probably work out.
Hillsdale87
10-15-2013, 04:42 PM
With Michigan's loss to Penn State, it's very possible that even if OSU wins out, they will not have a single victory against a top 15 opponent since Meyer took the helm. Undefeated may not be an instant ticket for OSU.
Agreed. I don't think OSU has shows enough at this point to play in the national championship. If the defense picks it up, and hopefully the bye week has been helpful, then I think they can be in the national championship talk. But at this point, they would get destroyed by Alabama.
BuckeyeRed27
10-15-2013, 06:40 PM
Agreed. I don't think OSU has shows enough at this point to play in the national championship. If the defense picks it up, and hopefully the bye week has been helpful, then I think they can be in the national championship talk. But at this point, they would get destroyed by Alabama.
Ohio State vs. Alabama would be a pretty good game. Alabama has struggled against mobile QBs and does not have a very dynamic offense. I see a lot of similarites between Alabama and Wisconsin just with more speed at the skill positions.
Ohio State vs. Alabama would be a pretty good game. Alabama has struggled against mobile QBs and does not have a very dynamic offense. I see a lot of similarites between Alabama and Wisconsin just with more speed at the skill positions.
You also thought OSU was four and a half touchdowns better than the Badgers.
BuckeyeRed27
10-15-2013, 06:56 PM
You also thought OSU was four and a half touchdowns better than the Badgers.
Wisconsin did a very good job of throwing the ball which was surprising. I don't think that game was as close as the score indicated. If Hyde gets a first down or a better spot in the 4th quarter, OSU wins that game by 14-17 points.
That still doesn't change my opinion that OSU/Alabama currently would be a pretty good game and there are similarties between Alabama and Wisconsin.
Hillsdale87
10-16-2013, 10:57 AM
Ohio State vs. Alabama would be a pretty good game. Alabama has struggled against mobile QBs and does not have a very dynamic offense. I see a lot of similarites between Alabama and Wisconsin just with more speed at the skill positions.
Alabama struggled against one mobile QB, and he happens to be the best college football player in the nation. I love Braxton, but he's not in the same league as Manziel right now. Alabama would win handily at this point. They have an elite offense and better defense. Ohio State's offense may be as good as Alabama's, but the defense isn't close
Hillsdale87
10-16-2013, 11:05 AM
I think this is unintended hyperbole. The offense is one of the best in the nation. It is explosive, has a big back, some scat backs, a QB that can run and with a strong arm, above average receivers, and a very good offensive line. The defense is giving up points, but this isn't Tressel ball anymore. The defensive line has shown dramatic improvement and some stars are emerging. The LBers have been pretty good despite playing a bunch of spread O's so far. The dbacks are a cause for grave concern, but they can develop as the Dline continues to pressure the QB increasingly each week.
The highlighted part makes me wonder, NW doesn't like to pass the ball? They run the spread. And Wisconsin, they were dared to beat us with the pass after stopping their glaring strength to run the ball in its tracks. How did that turn out?
I think the pass coverage crew keeps this team from championship game talk as of today, but to say they are not even top 10 is little more than hyperbole.
I genuinely don't see OSU as a top 10 team. I have absolutely no confidence in the defense's ability to get a stop when needed. That said, I think the defense could get better, and I could definitely see them as a top 2-3 team by the end of the year.
And yes, NW doesn't like to pass the ball. They are currently 59th in FBS in pass yards per game, and they went 100 yards over their average against OSU.
Chip R
10-16-2013, 02:31 PM
tOSU schedules through 2019
http://ohiostate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1562507&PT=4&PR=2
HeatherC1212
10-16-2013, 02:42 PM
tOSU schedules through 2019
http://ohiostate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1562507&PT=4&PR=2
Thanks for posting this. Does anyone know why they have two Bye weeks next season?
Red Buckeye
10-16-2013, 08:34 PM
Thanks for posting this. Does anyone know why they have two Bye weeks next season?
Heather, I think with OSU playing Michigan after Thanksgiving from here on out they will have a lot of two bye seasons.
They have already had one bye week this year and have another one in a few weeks.
As annoying as this is for Buckeye fans, it should keep the team fresh and more injury free.
Now as for what would happen if OSU played the Tide, all I will say is everyone thought OSU would get rolled by Miami in the 2002 NC game, and we all know how that turned out!
I would honestly be more worried about playing Oregon than Alabama. Oregon's offense looks absolutely unstoppable and I believe match up wise OSU would play pretty even with Bama. I also think OSU's arsenal of weapons would give Bama's D a tough time. It'd be a great game though.
RedTeamGo!
10-17-2013, 08:48 AM
Alabama 35 OSU 6
I am a huge OSU fan.
Hillsdale87
10-17-2013, 08:53 AM
Alabama 35 OSU 6
I am a huge OSU fan.
I'd say 42 - 20. OSU has enough athleticism on offense to score on Alabama. But there's no way they can stop them. I hope that changes and OSU can match them by the end of the season.
I don't really see how OSU doesn't finish the season undefeated, but I only want them to play in the national championship if they are actually the first/second best team in the country. The last thing OSU and the Big 10 needs is to get slaughtered in a championship game again.
RedTeamGo!
10-17-2013, 09:01 AM
OSU has enough athleticism on offense to score on Alabama.
That is what Ole Miss thought.
Roy Tucker
10-17-2013, 07:53 PM
I didn't track Meyer's teams at Florida all that closely, but I got the impression they improved a lot the more the season went on.
medford
10-18-2013, 08:53 AM
I didn't track Meyer's teams at Florida all that closely, but I got the impression they improved a lot the more the season went on.
Most well coached teams do. Can't speak to Meyer's teams at Florida, Utah or Bowling Green, but considering the success that he's had, odds are they regularly improved as the season rolled along. There are only a few highly successful coaches that I can think of that teams routinely fell on their face at the end of the year. John Copper is one, Bob Stoops is another.
They get all of preseason, then 12 regular season weeks, plus a bye week (or two) then all the time b/w bowl games. That is a lot of time to disect the things that your team is struggling with and improve those areas, as well as add new wrinkles to your team as you've proven you can handle the stuff you were working on in training camp.
reds44
10-18-2013, 09:53 AM
Unless Ohio State has Johnny Football, they won't score on Alabama.
traderumor
10-18-2013, 12:15 PM
Yea, I'm thinking Alabama has definitely reached the level of the analogy with Dorsey's Hurricanes of the early part of the 21st century. They have went from great college football team to Masters of the Universe. I'm sure they're starting to think the same thing. That's when things start to go wrong, terribly wrong.
Yea, I'm thinking Alabama has definitely reached the level of the analogy with Dorsey's Hurricanes of the early part of the 21st century. They have went from great college football team to Masters of the Universe. I'm sure they're starting to think the same thing. That's when things start to go wrong, terribly wrong.
Things will go terribly wrong when others poach Saban's braintrust to a point it effects the corpporate memory too severely, the NCAA spanks them if they're cheating, or Saban loses his drive.
Think Dabo losing his brain (Chad Morris) @ Clemson, or Meyer's culture and recruiting finally eating the Gator program up from the inside.
In other words, something has to change for them to go from +1 to 0 or -1 on the sine curve. Right now they are a machine but there is only one way to go on the sine curve for them.
BillDoran
10-18-2013, 01:57 PM
Yea, I'm thinking Alabama has definitely reached the level of the analogy with Dorsey's Hurricanes of the early part of the 21st century. They have went from great college football team to Masters of the Universe. I'm sure they're starting to think the same thing. That's when things start to go wrong, terribly wrong.
While I'm uncertain about the demise, it does seem we've reached some kind of hyperbole saturation point with regards to Alabama and the SEC as whole. There's no doubt that the conference is far and away the best. And anyone willing to argue otherwise is delusional.
But all of the hype - the Alabama/Denver Broncos betting line, the incessant shouting down of anyone suggesting an SEC team won't win the 2014 National Championship ("the real question is, would another non-SEC team even score in the MNC?!?!1?"), the perceived (right or wrong) extreme ruggedness of the SEC schedule (say what you will, the bottom six teams are middling) - starts feeding itself. It's a positive feedback loop. With the much celebrated eight teams in the Top 25, most conference victories automatically qualify now as big victories.
In a sport so dominated by subjective analysis (even the computer rankings are highly contingent), how can we ever move from this paradigm? Wining games doesn't necessarily seem like the answer (2013 interconference win percentages: SEC - .833, B10 - .766, ACC - .767, P12 - .853, B12 - .733 [link (http://football.kislanko.com/2013/interconf_Results.html)]). I suppose it's likely the seven consecutive championships, but I yearn for the days when it was conceivable that the entire football constellation didn't revolve around Mike Slive's Birmingham office. Again, I reitterate, the SEC is the dominant college football conference, but can't we return to rational conversation?
traderumor
10-18-2013, 02:22 PM
Things will go terribly wrong when others poach Saban's braintrust to a point it effects the corpporate memory too severely, the NCAA spanks them if they're cheating, or Saban loses his drive.
Think Dabo losing his brain (Chad Morris) @ Clemson, or Meyer's culture and recruiting finally eating the Gator program up from the inside.
In other words, something has to change for them to go from +1 to 0 or -1 on the sine curve. Right now they are a machine but there is only one way to go on the sine curve for them.
It could be anything, it just happens. Even machines break down or become obsolete, and I've observed that it usually happens about this time for the invincibles. Especially in the crazy world of college athletics, when one jilted lover of the program snitches and the walls come tumbling down. NO ONE gets on top and stays on top without collateral damage. The collateral damage is like an episode of Cold Case, just waiting for the clue to be found. Its not if, but when. And I think its close. Saban knows it. The highlights of the screaming to get the machine fired up--its close. And mighty was the fall.
It could be anything, it just happens. Even machines break down or become obsolete, and I've observed that it usually happens about this time for the invincibles. Especially in the crazy world of college athletics, when one jilted lover of the program snitches and the walls come tumbling down. NO ONE gets on top and stays on top without collateral damage. The collateral damage is like an episode of Cold Case, just waiting for the clue to be found. Its not if, but when. And I think its close. Saban knows it. The highlights of the screaming to get the machine fired up--its close. And mighty was the fall.
Well if Texas can be mediocre, any program can be mediocre.
traderumor
10-18-2013, 04:33 PM
Well if Texas can be mediocre, any program can be mediocre.
Good example. Every program gets saturated at some point. I think its just the nature of things, which makes me laugh when folks talk about Alabama as if this is just going to be the norm unless Western culture falls off the face of the earth.
Good example. Every program gets saturated at some point. I think its just the nature of things, which makes me laugh when folks talk about Alabama as if this is just going to be the norm unless Western culture falls off the face of the earth.
I think to be fair, it's only Bama fans that truly talk like Bama will reign for a 1000 years. They have never understood that Tuscaloosa is actually not the center of the universe. I don't think many people outside of Bama fans think the Crimson Tide are bullet proof. I think they'd lose to Oregon by double digits this year and I don't think they emerge from the SEC undefeated.
Some of that "pride" is unique to the South (for many years football was one of the few sources of pride for the state of Alabama), some of it is the swagger associated with tradition of a historically succesful program and lets face it there is ALOT of storied football tradition and chronic success jammed into the short distance between Auburn and Tuscaloosa. For a population that tends to spend 95% of it's lifespan within 100 miles of their birthplace, it's pretty easy to ignore the rest of the world.
Redsfaithful
10-19-2013, 02:41 AM
I seriously don't understand how every Ohio State thread eventually devolves into discussion about the SEC.
I seriously don't understand how every Ohio State thread eventually devolves into discussion about the SEC.
It might have something to do with OSU fans discussing a national championship?
OldRightHander
10-19-2013, 09:41 AM
It might have something to do with OSU fans discussing a national championship?
Which is why a playoff can't come fast enough. Any system that can have a team go undefeated and not even have a chance to advance to a championship game is a flawed system.
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