7/29/13 Reds at "Fathers" (Joey & Jay batting back to back)

[medford]

So if you follow redszone rants and the title, you'll be surprised at that news.

According to Lance on 700wlw:

Robinson, CF
Izturais, 2b
Joey, 1b
Bruce, RF
Frazier, 3b
Heisey, LF (I think)
Mes, C
Cozart, SS
Leake, P

So why is Izturas batting 2nd? Why is Choo sitting a 2nd day?

[Matt700wlw]

So if you follow redszone rants and the title, you'll be surprised at that news.


So why is Izturas batting 2nd? Why is Choo sitting a 2nd day?

The two biggest questions...

[NebraskaRed]

Very funny, now post the real lineup ;)

[adampad]

Love Votto and Bruce back to back. Hopefully Bruce will hammer one and give Dusty a reason to repeat this someday.

Gotta wonder about Choo now. Dusty loves playing players when they are in their hometown and the like, so I was surprised when he didn't play on "Korea day" or whatever in LA.

[toledodan]

over/under on runs tonight. i will take under 2 alex!! hope i'm wrong.

[cumberlandreds]

Choo must be hurt. That's not good at all. This is one time I would rather see Cozart hit 2nd. Good to see Mez move up a spot. This lineup may not score a run tonight.

[RedsBrick]

Sorry, this is tough to stomach.

[RedsBrick]

So if you follow redszone rants and the title, you'll be surprised at that news.

According to Lance on 700wlw:

Robinson, CF
Izturais, 2b
Joey, 1b
Bruce, RF
Frazier, 3b
Heisey, LF (I think)
Mes, C
Cozart, SS
Leake, P

So why is Izturas batting 2nd? Why is Choo sitting a 2nd day?

I believe it's XP in left batting 6th.

[NebraskaRed]

So if you follow redszone rants and the title, you'll be surprised at that news.

According to Lance on 700wlw:

Robinson, CF
Izturais, 2b
Joey, 1b
Bruce, RF
Frazier, 3b
Heisey, LF (I think)
Mes, C
Cozart, SS
Leake, P

So why is Izturas batting 2nd? Why is Choo sitting a 2nd day?

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/130312151202-dusty-baker-usat2-single-image-cut.jpg

Deal with it.

[Red Raindog]

So if you follow redszone rants and the title, you'll be surprised at that news.

According to Lance on 700wlw:

Robinson, CF
Izturais, 2b
Joey, 1b
Bruce, RF
Frazier, 3b
Heisey, LF (I think)
Mes, C
Cozart, SS
Leake, P

So why is Izturas batting 2nd? Why is Choo sitting a 2nd day?

:eek:

[Cedric]

Has to be the worst 1-2 in major leagues starting tonight. On a playoff team no less.

Thank god for Dusty the pitching staff is so good it usually makes up for his incompetence.

[kbrake]

I know people are tired of the "Dusty bashing" but he just doesn't get it. Hard to not get frustrated when your favorite team has been bad for a very long time and they finally get a talented roster and the guy in charge can't manage it. I'm not saying every loss is Dusty's fault, I agree, that bashing gets old. However when you're this stubborn with things like lineup construction it just wears me out. This window won't be open forever and it is unfortunate Dusty is in charge while it is.

[RedTeamGo!]

Choo has to be hurt

[Matt700wlw]

- Sprained ankle for Choo, not serious, could pinch hit.

- Phillips getting a night off

[westofyou]

I know people are tired of the "Dusty bashing" but he just doesn't get it. Hard to not get frustrated when your favorite team has been bad for a very long time and they finally get a talented roster and the guy in charge can't manage it. I'm not saying every loss is Dusty's fault, I agree, that bashing gets old. However when you're this stubborn with things like lineup construction it just wears me out. This window won't be open forever and it is unfortunate Dusty is in charge while it is.

So should he bat Votto first and Bruce second tonight?

[BungleBengals]

Okay I understand that Choo is hurt and has to sit. But why is BP sitting? Not only that but we are playing a terrible lineup as well.

This is our chance to gain ground on the pirates and cardinals, why are we resting guys?

[westofyou]

Okay I understand that Choo is hurt and has to sit. But why is BP sitting? Not only that but we are playing a terrible lineup as well.

This is our chance to gain ground on the pirates and cardinals, why are we resting guys?

Why?

Because they need rest maybe?

Phillips since the AS game .190/.222/.286/.508

That's miserable

[gilpdawg]

I thought at the time when Choo did that slide it looked like he tweaked something. Watch it again. He's lucky he didn't tear something.

[Kc61]

Okay I understand that Choo is hurt and has to sit. But why is BP sitting? Not only that but we are playing a terrible lineup as well.

This is our chance to gain ground on the pirates and cardinals, why are we resting guys?

Phillips just couldn't hit in Los Angeles. Many of use commented that he looks tired. Not sure it had to be tonight, but it had to be soon.

Reds really want the club in top shape for the Cards. I really have no problem resting these guys who are gassed or nicked up.

If DRob can get a couple of bunt or slap hits, this could work out ok.

[Ironman92]

Okay I understand that Choo is hurt and has to sit. But why is BP sitting? Not only that but we are playing a terrible lineup as well.

This is our chance to gain ground on the pirates and cardinals, why are we resting guys?

BP has started 27 consecutive games AND participated in all of the all-star festivities....and the effects are clear.

Izturis I would guess is batting second because he'll get more at bats there and since he rarely gets to start....he needs all the at bats he can get. (Hoping that is not the reason, guessing it is)

[Ironman92]

Also on the 1st post that had Heisey in LF.....I was going to put he'll get scratched for Paul. Lol but looks like that already happened.

[kbrake]

So should he bat Votto first and Bruce second tonight?

Why the extremes? What would have been so hard about Robinson, Frazier, Votto, Bruce, Mes, Heisey/Paul, Cozart, Izturis, Leake? You don't have to fill the top of the lineup with guys who can't hit and I don't think it is out of line to question Dusty on it.

[westofyou]

Why the extremes? What would have been so hard about Robinson, Frazier, Votto, Bruce, Mes, Heisey/Paul, Cozart, Izturis, Leake? You don't have to fill the top of the lineup with guys who can't hit and I don't think it is out of line to question Dusty on it.

Why not the extremes?

If he doesn't "get it" then he probably should not care about where the players bat everyday, but he seems to care about a set lineup for certain players. There has to be a reason for that right?

Chances are he wants those guys to feel comfortable all the time, so you won't see Frazier batting at the top of the order one night and 6th the next night.

You know who never moves around in a Baker lineup? The power guys, they always get coddled in the Baker lineup, he's playing for the big inning more often then less, he's looking to pounce and kill all at once.

This is why the Reds look anemic in some sets of games than others, three games of waiting for the big inning and missing out will (and was) be painful.

[Kc61]

Why the extremes? What would have been so hard about Robinson, Frazier, Votto, Bruce, Mes, Heisey/Paul, Cozart, Izturis, Leake? You don't have to fill the top of the lineup with guys who can't hit and I don't think it is out of line to question Dusty on it.

Today's lineup was obviously intended to avoid the bottom of the order posited in this post. Cozart, Izturis, Leake, then DRob.

Dusty would rather hit Izturis second since DRob may bunt or slap his way on, then Caesar can bunt him over or make a little contact with the runner going.

Hitting Izturis second gives him a raison d'etre. Hitting Izturis after Cozart is just a collection of outs.

I think that's the reasoning.

[New York Red]

Why not the extremes?

If he doesn't "get it" then he probably should not care about where the players bat everyday, but he seems to care about a set lineup for certain players. There has to be a reason for that right?

Chances are he wants those guys to feel comfortable all the time, so you won't see Frazier batting at the top of the order one night and 6th the next night.

You know who never moves around in a Baker lineup? The power guys, they always get coddled in the Baker lineup, he's playing for the big inning more often then less, he's looking to pounce and kill all at once.

This is why the Reds look anemic in some sets of games than others, three games of waiting for the big inning and missing out will (and was) be painful.
What would be your ideal lineup for tonight's game (with the players who are available)?

[westofyou]

What would be your ideal lineup for tonight's game (with the players who are available)?

Considering who is pitching tonight for San Diego I'd say this lineup will do, sure Heisey at #2 is better, but the pitcher also has a lifetime OPS against of .894 by RH, so a Frazier/Heisey/Mez run could be fruitful at some point, especially after he works his way through Votto and Bruce. Look for a bunt by Cesar if Robinson gets on base, and well Robinson in CF in this big park should play well too if Choo has bad wheels.

Big inning, big inning...

[_Sir_Charles_]

Okay I understand that Choo is hurt and has to sit. But why is BP sitting? Not only that but we are playing a terrible lineup as well.

This is our chance to gain ground on the pirates and cardinals, why are we resting guys?

Fwiw...every day is our chance to gain ground on the Pirates and the Cardinals.

And unfortunately, you can't play your best players every day...not if you want them to play well and stay healthy.

Dusty can frustrate most of us daily with his lineup decisions...but one thing he excels at is understanding his players needs and when they need a breather.

[mbgrayson]

over/under on runs tonight. i will take under 2 alex!! hope i'm wrong.
I'll take the 'over' on 2.

[texasdave]

They will score runs on this Padres' retread. I'd say five or so. Reds usually hit these AAAA pitchers pretty well.

[Red Raindog]

- Sprained ankle for Choo, not serious, could pinch hit.

- Phillips getting a night off

and BP needs it

[RedsBrick]

They will score runs on this Padres' retread. I'd say five or so. Reds usually hit these AAAA pitchers pretty well.

I kinda thought Capuano fit in that category.

[westofyou]

I kinda thought Capuano fit in that category.

LH slop guys have been Reds enemies fir the past decade

[reds44]

So the starting CFer hurt his ankle and the starting 2nd baseman has been terrible lately, Dusty gives them both a day off, plays his primary reserves....fiiiiiiiiireeeeee teeeh dusty!!!!11

[Raisor]

So the starting CFer hurt his ankle and the starting 2nd baseman has been terrible lately, Dusty gives them both a day off, plays his primary reserves....fiiiiiiiiireeeeee teeeh dusty!!!!11

Choo banged up, BP slumping. No problem with who is playing tonight. But Caeser should never.......ever hit second.

[reds44]

I understand that, but there's not a lot of good options in that group of 8.

Frazier (then who hits 5th?)

Mez? Okay, maybe Mez.

[PepperJack]

Brandon has been looking like he could really use this day off. I hope it charges his batteries, and he get going on a good run this second half.

I hope Choo's ankle injury is just minor, and doesn't linger, he really can't afford to lose a step in CF, and the team really needs his bat at lead off.

[nate]

Checking in from behind home plate!

No, not umpiring!

[Red Raindog]

Checking in from behind home plate!

No, not umpiring!

you can help us ump though -- right?

[nate]

you can help us ump though -- right?

Yes. But don't call me "you" or you're ejected!

:cool:

[RedsBrick]

Checking in from behind home plate!

No, not umpiring!

Bring us home a dub!

[Tadasimha]

So, what's the record for posts in a game thread before the first pitch has been thrown?

[nate]

Tonight's view: Bronson Arroyo

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/30/3a6u6atu.jpg

[Red Raindog]

Yes. But don't call me "you" or you're ejected!

:cool:

what term should we use -- sir? sir is ok isn't it?

[_Sir_Charles_]

what term should we use -- sir? sir is ok isn't it?

Your Majesty. Oh powerful one! My precious.

Any of the above are MLB approved. :O)

[nate]

what term should we use -- sir? sir is ok isn't it?

Yes, but "cur" is not!

(This is all a joke from another thread)

[Red Raindog]

Your Majesty. Oh powerful one! My precious.

Any of the above are MLB approved. :O)

won't Raisor take offense -- sir?

[nate]

won't Raisor take offense -- sir?

Raisor is destined for regression!

Just kidding, Phil!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Cards lose 9-2 to Bucs.

[Red Raindog]

Raisor is destined for regression!

Just kidding, Phil!

thought I saw rendition!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Raisor is destined for regression!

Just kidding, Phil!

He's been posting way above his norm for years now. Definitely a sell high candidate. :O)

[nate]

The dude singing the National Anthem was 1-4 in finding the key.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Have you been to Petco before Nate? Always looked like a great place to catch a game.

[nate]

Have you been to Petco before Nate? Always looked like a great place to catch a game.

I have. It's a great park.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I kinda figured. Nice seats btw. Enjoy the Reds win. It is pre-ordained. :O)

I gotta get up at 5am so I'm out guys. Bring home the W!

[Red Raindog]

I kinda figured. Nice seats btw. Enjoy the Reds win. It is pre-ordained. :O)

I gotta get up at 5am so I'm out guys. Bring home the W!

I have an 8:00 tee time & I'm holding the fort for a while -- unless the wife gets out the wine & the goo goo eyes.

;)

[NebraskaRed]

I saw how many posts there were and thought the game had already started.

[Reds Fanatic]

Robinson grounds out to 2nd

[Blitz Dorsey]

Robinson and Izturis at the top of the lineup. Dusty is determined to get NO ONE on base for Votto tonight. Let's keep those RBI numbers down, baby.

[Red Raindog]

no HD on Dish tonight?

:confused:

[Reds Fanatic]

Izturis strikes out swinging

[Red Raindog]

Robinson and Izturis at the top of the lineup. Dusty is determined to get NO ONE on base for Votto tonight. Let's keep those RBI numbers down, baby.

successful in the first go round

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto doubles to the wall in center.

[Red Raindog]

too bad the bases were empty for that blast to CF

[BluegrassRedleg]

Votto with another 2B that would have been a BOMB at GABP. He's had about 3-4 of those in the big parks of late.

[NebraskaRed]

Can we start giving imaginary RBI to Votto? Like right there I'd give him 1 imaginary RBI

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce walks

[Blitz Dorsey]

Can we start giving imaginary RBI to Votto? Like right there I'd give him 1 imaginary RBI

Exactly.

:beerme:

[Blitz Dorsey]

Why the hell isn't Paul batting second instead of Izturis?

Course, if he hits a GS here, I won't complain. Ha.

[ProfessorTofty]

Frazier draws a walk too, and they are loaded!

[Reds Fanatic]

Frazier walks. Bases loaded

[nate]

That Votto double was crushed.

[jhiller21]

And the 1 and 2 automatic outs really helped in this inning. If you're gonna sit Choo and BP just bat Votto leadoff.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Also: So refreshing to hear Thom instead of George Grande.

[PepperJack]

Good eye and approach from Bruce/Frazier.

[Reds Fanatic]

All the sudden O' Sullivan's control is all over the place

[Ironman92]

Glad the table setters did a good job.

[Red Raindog]

Why the hell isn't Paul batting second instead of Izturis?

Course, if he hits a GS here, I won't complain. Ha.

Dusty has magic dust tonight --- at least I hope that's it

[ProfessorTofty]

Shoot. Flyout foul.

[Reds Fanatic]

Paul fouls out to 3rd. 0-0 mid 1st

[Ironman92]

Tonight's view: Bronson Arroyo

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/30/3a6u6atu.jpg

Nice

[Red Raindog]

:bang:

[Blitz Dorsey]

And the frustration continues. This team is going to give me a heart attack.

[PepperJack]

That's unfortunate.

[Ironman92]

SMH

The reserves did GREAT that inning.

[reds44]

There's just too many bad hitters on this team no matter what order you put them in.

[Blitz Dorsey]

You get a 3-1 count with the bases loaded against some scrub pitcher and that's the result. Sounds about right.

[Reds Fanatic]

Scoreless streak now at 19 innings

[Cedric]

On the eye test I can't remember a worse starting pitcher this year than this guy. I don't see how he gets major league hitters out at all.

[NebraskaRed]

So, that happened

[jhiller21]

There must be some kind of explanation as to why Dusty constructed the lineup this way. It can't just be the "CF bats first, SS second", can it?

E: I see Izturis is at 2nd... Who knows

[757690]

That swing on 3-1 was criminal. It was like Paul was protecting the plate, with only one strike.

[NebraskaRed]

A double, 2 walks, and 1 imaginary RBI for Votto. Unfortunately no runs scored.

[powersackers]

Scoreless streak now at 19 innings

Getting into Marlins territory.

[Red Raindog]

On the eye test I can't remember a worse starting pitcher this year than this guy. I don't see how he gets major league hitters out at all.

did he?

[reds44]

You get a 3-1 count with the bases loaded against some scrub pitcher and that's the result. Sounds about right.
Scrub hitter against scrub pitcher.

[Roy Tucker]

Thom is such a ray of sunshine.

[reds44]

How are Thom and Welsh just finding out about Quentin not playing? That's been out for literally hours. Have they been sleeping for the last few hours?

[Reds Fanatic]

Quentin out of the lineup at the last minute. That is a break because he has been red hot.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cabrera singles to center.

[Red Raindog]

Thom is such a ray of sunshine.

muted here -- best way

[powersackers]

Thom is such a ray of sunshine.

Marty is all doom and gloom too.

[Cedric]

Whether it truly matters or not it's incredibly frustrating to have my favorite team managed by Dusty Baker. Who in their right mind could find logic in the CF 1st, SS 2nd batting order?

It's asinine.

[Crumbley]

A double, 2 walks, and 1 imaginary RBI for Votto. Unfortunately no runs scored.

You're ignoring the important thing. At the end of the year, when we tally all of this up, the team OBP will be a fraction of a point higher.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ground out to 2nd. Cabrera to 2nd.

[RedTeamGo!]

I understand dusty's hands are tied tonight but gotta love two scrub batting in front of Votto. Votto isn't being aggressive enough! Needs to up those RBI!

[Reds Fanatic]

Headley grounds out to 2nd. Runner to 3rd

[Blitz Dorsey]

Yep, it's much better hearing a guy like George Grande, who can't pronounce the names of our players like Cingrani (such a complicated name to pronounce) but can tell you every boring story imaginable about teams like the Dodgers and the Cardinals.

[nate]

I understand dusty's hands are tied tonight but gotta love two scrub batting in front of Votto. Votto isn't being aggressive enough! Needs to up those RBI!

How would he have been more aggressive in the 1st inning?

[reds44]

How would he have been more aggressive in the 1st inning?
Should have went and swung at Robinson's and Izturis' pitches for them.

[jhiller21]

I don't see why Votto can't bat leadoff in a situation like this. He's the next best option after Choo.

[Reds Fanatic]

Alonso walks. 1st and 3rd.

[nate]

Should have went and swung at Robinson's and Izturis' pitches for them.

Solid.

[Roy Tucker]

I don't think Leake wanted to pitch to Alonso

[RedTeamGo!]

How would he have been more aggressive in the 1st inning?

Was sarcasm, Votto looks great. I was joking about how people complain he doesn't have a lot of RBI an tonight he has 2 scrubs batting in front of him.

[Reds Fanatic]

I don't see why Votto can't bat leadoff in a situation like this. He's the next best option after Choo.

Most nights I think we would be best off if Dusty put all the names in a hat and picked the lineup that way.

[MillerTime58]

I don't see why Votto can't bat leadoff in a situation like this. He's the next best option after Choo.1st baseman bats third.

[nate]

Was sarcasm, Votto looks great. I was joking about how people complain he doesn't have a lot of RBI an tonight he has 2 scrubs batting in front of him.

Got it!

[Blitz Dorsey]

I don't see why Votto can't bat leadoff in a situation like this. He's the next best option after Choo.

C'mon man, you expect Dusty to think outside the box? He has to manage the team. He doesn't have time for such nonsense.

He batted Paul Janish second many times. This is nothing.

[Roy Tucker]

Yep, it's much better hearing a guy like George Grande, who can't pronounce the names of our players like Cingrani (such a complicated name to pronounce) but can tell you every boring story imaginable about teams like the Dodgers and the Cardinals.

Yeah, I love to listen to Thom sound like someone took a dump on his scorecard.

[reds44]

So we're going to complain about who is hitting in front of Votto and then suggest he hit right behind the pitcher!

At least it's outside the box.

[RedTeamGo!]

Leake doing his beat o'sullivan impression

[Blitz Dorsey]

Nice. No harm.

[ProfessorTofty]

Flyout to short left, and the Padres do not score.

[Reds Fanatic]

Venable flies out to left. 0-0 after 1.

[Blitz Dorsey]

So we're going to complain about who is hitting in front of Votto and then suggest he hit right behind the pitcher!

At least it's outside the box.

The pitcher bats to lead off the game? (See the difference? C'mon now young lady.)

The point of the matter is if Votto is going to bat with no one on base ... at least let him do so with no outs (instead of 2).

[NebraskaRed]

Prediction: Reds will score 1 run this inning.

[reds44]

Serious question:

Is Robinson/Frazier/Votto/Bruce/Paul/Mez/Cozart/Izturis really that much better than the actual lineup tonight?

Probably not. Shuffling deck chairs, lipstick on a pig, etc.

[Australian Red]

Hello all, good to see Leake getting out of trouble there.

[jhiller21]

So we're going to complain about who is hitting in front of Votto and then suggest he hit right behind the pitcher!

At least it's outside the box.

If the guy batting in front of him is Leake, then yes. He's a better option than both Robinson and Izturis.

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Man, the Padres must have the most boring uniforms in professional sports. They reall need to bring the brown & yellow back.

[Reds Fanatic]

Mesoraco grounds out to short

[reds44]

The pitcher bats to lead off the game? (See the difference? C'mon now young lady.)

The point of the matter is if Votto is going to bat with no one on base ... at least let him do so with no outs (instead of 2).
Ohhh you called me a lady! Good one!

For the record, D-Rob's .340 OBP is 2nd best in the lineup tonight. So if having him hit in front of Votto means Votto is hitting with nobody on, nobody is ever going to be on except for Votto.

[jhiller21]

Here come the slow rollin' Reds...

[Blitz Dorsey]

Prediction: Reds will score 1 run this inning.

Note to self: Don't take NebraskaRed to the casino with you tonight.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cozart grounds out to 1st.

[texasdave]

Happy Birthday to Dan Driessen. Age unknown by me. :birthday:

[RedTeamGo!]

Votto is going to bat third for the next 7 years (at least) of your Reds fandom - time to get over it.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Ohhh you called me a lady! Good one!

For the record, D-Rob's .340 OBP is 2nd best in the lineup tonight. So if having him hit in front of Votto means Votto is hitting with nobody on, nobody is ever going to be on except for Votto.

Uhh, I seriously thought you were female. Or am I thinking of someone else?

[reds44]

Uhh, I seriously thought you were female. Or am I thinking of someone else?
I don't know? As far as I know I've had a penis since I was born, so this would be news to me.

[Reds Fanatic]

Infield hit for Leake. Great effort by Cabrera

[Ironman92]

Happy Birthday to Dan Driessen. Age unknown by me. :birthday:

My baseball card memory leads me to 1951....so 62 (but haven't looked in 25 years)

[MikeS21]

Let's face it, there are only four guys on the entire 25 man roster who have a clue which end of the bat to swing from, and two of them are hitting 3-4 tonight. One is nursing a sore ankle and the other needs a night off. Argue all you want about who is hitting 1-2, but there is no one else on the team who I would trust.

Dusty is doing fine with what he has to work with.

[Red Raindog]

Leake could have hit 1st --- outside the box you get

[New York Red]

"Baseball's version of a gym rat, right there".

I love that. Perfect description of Leake.

[Ironman92]

Small break but likely meaningless

[Reds Fanatic]

Robinson bloop hit to right. 1st and 3rd.

[RedTeamGo!]

Drob looks like Winston from New Girl

[Kc61]

Let's face it, there are only four guys on the entire 25 man roster who have a clue which end of the bat to swing from, and two of them are hitting 3-4 tonight. One is nursing a sore ankle and the other needs a night off. Argue all you want about who is hitting 1-2, but there is no one else on the team who I would trust.

Dusty is doing fine with what he has to work with.

And one of the four guys who has a clue has a .709 OPS this year. He's one of the GOOD hitters.

[RedTeamGo!]

Lol Izturis, you're great

[dsmith421]

Make it stop, please.

[Reds Fanatic]

Izturis flies out to center. 5 left on already. 20 straight scoreless innings.

[jhiller21]

DRob I understand, but batting Izturis 2nd is just criminal. Why not Paul?

[Red Raindog]

this way we Votto leading off!

fingers crossed

[CWRed]

Your #2 hitter ladies and gentlemen.

[NebraskaRed]

Note to self: Don't take NebraskaRed to the casino with you tonight.

That was a typo. I meant the 3rd inning. Definitely the 3rd inning.

[Roy Tucker]

Little guys shouln't hit the ball in the air.

The Reds will get this guy next inning.

[reds44]

Izturis literally swings like I imagine a female (which I learned tonight I am) playing in the majors would.

[Red Raindog]

DRob I understand, but batting Izturis 2nd is just criminal. Why not Paul?

3 lefties?

only on blue moons

[Blitz Dorsey]

I don't know? As far as I know I've had a penis since I was born, so this would be news to me.

I'm going to take your word for it. (Please no Anthony Weiner-esqe pics.)

Not sure who I was thinking of. I remember someone saying they couldn't believe (some poster) was actually a woman and I thought it was you. Not sure who I was thinking of. My fault.

:beerme:

[KYRedsFan]

This is Painful

[reds44]

DRob I understand, but batting Izturis 2nd is just criminal. Why not Paul?
That worked well in the first.

[reds44]

I'm going to take your word for it. (Please no Anthony Weiner-esqe pics.)

Not sure who I was thinking of. I remember someone saying they couldn't believe (some poster) was actually a woman and I thought it was you. Not sure who I was thinking of. My fault.

:beerme:
Oh no, you said that about me, but I'm still a man.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kotsay singles to right

[reds44]

This whole let 8000 guys reach base thing is going to blow up in Leake's face eventually.

[ProfessorTofty]

Bruce grabs it at the wall. One out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Forsythe flies out to the track in right

[Brutus]

Whether it truly matters or not it's incredibly frustrating to have my favorite team managed by Dusty Baker. Who in their right mind could find logic in the CF 1st, SS 2nd batting order?

It's asinine.

The pony called, he'd like his one trick back.

[jhiller21]

That worked well in the first.

I'm basing that on the overall chance of success. Also, having Votto batting behind him wouldn't hurt.

[Ironman92]

Lol....impressed myself on that one

[Ironman92]

This whole let 8000 guys reach base thing is going to blow up in Leake's face eventually.

Doesn't seem to on the pitchers facing the Reds.

[PepperJack]

I've hated Nick Hundley since about 2008 or so.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hundley grounds out to Leake. Runner to 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

O' Sullivan strikes out swinging.

[Roy Tucker]

Sean O'Sullivan sounds like the name of a pub.

[RedTeamGo!]

I think the padres have the worst home uniforms in baseball. Soooo boring, looks like a high school team.

[Roy Tucker]

I've hated Nick Hundley since about 2008 or so.

I looked it up. He isn't related to Randy or Todd Hundley.

[Red Raindog]

Sean O'Sullivan sounds like the name of a pub.

I had a cart full of Guinness there

[Reds Fanatic]

For some reason the Padres public address announcer just announced Votto as Brandon Phillips

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto flies out to right

[Red Raindog]

small sample -- Votto will suck hitting first

[RedTeamGo!]

Will there be a point where Votto realizes Joey is a kids name and starts going by Joe Votto?

[Ironman92]

Bruce definitely homers off this guy if he gets 3 AB

[Kc61]

Really quite interesting how years ago teams made trades all year round to help themselves.

Now, it all focuses on July 31.

Reds big injury came on opening day. Four months into the season they are finally, possibly, thinking of addressing the problem.

Meanwhile we get lineups like this one.

[Roy Tucker]

For some reason the Padres public address announcer just announced Votto as Brandon Phillips

They get mistaken as brothers a lot.

[Ironman92]

Will there be a point where Votto realizes Joey is a kids name and starts going by Joe Votto?

No

[joshua]

Man. Bruce crushed that but caught at the wall. 2 down.

[Ironman92]

Bruce definitely homers off this guy if he gets 3 AB

Horse crap

[RedTeamGo!]

#23 at most parks :(

[Reds Fanatic]

Bruce flies out to the wall in right. Just missed.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Will banging my head against a wall help?

[Reds Fanatic]

Frazier grounds out to short. 21 straight scoreless innings.

[Ironman92]

Hoping Izturis makes the last out with bases loaded in the 9th.

[joshua]

So, is that ball gone if it was younger, chubbier Bruce at the plate?

[RedTeamGo!]

This dude is terrible - Walt, tell me you're watching this crap.

[Red Raindog]

I get tired off always feeling like the other team has their ace going against us

;)

[reds44]

Hoping Izturis makes the last out with bases loaded in the 9th.
Yeah, I hope the Reds lose too.

[Kc61]

When does Todd Frazier's time being a beloved prospect and beyond criticism end?

Clue: Mesoraco has until late 2016.

Cozart, on the other hand, wasn't a popular draft choice. So his time ran out early. With good reason, I might add.

[kbrake]

Will there be a point where Votto realizes Joey is a kids name and starts going by Joe Votto?

Did in interview I believe in last year or the year before where he said his dad was Joe Votto and he always plans on going by Joey or Joseph Votto.

[reds44]

When does Todd Frazier's time being a beloved prospect and beyond criticism end?

Clue: Mesoraco has until late 2016.

Cozart, on the other hand, wasn't a popular draft choice. So his time ran out early. With good reason, I might add.
Todd Frazier is an average-above average major league 3rd baseman who is extremely affordable.

[kbrake]

When does Todd Frazier's time being a beloved prospect and beyond criticism end?

Clue: Mesoraco has until late 2016.

Cozart, on the other hand, wasn't a popular draft choice. So his time ran out early. With good reason, I might add.

I think Frazier is the least of this teams problems.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cabrera singles to center.

[joshua]

Cozart was loved for simply not being Paul Janish.

[Roy Tucker]

Will there be a point where Votto realizes Joey is a kids name and starts going by Joe Votto?

He'll start going by Jojo.

JoJo Votto. Leads the league in o's.

[Redsfansince72]

I am still wondering what happened to the REDS that were hitting like a 1st place team against the Giants, and now look like they never seen a hittable pitch in their lives since game 1 in LA!!!!!

This team is VERY good at being inconsistent!! Sad is its has been going on for the past 5 years!:(

[Red Raindog]

Will banging my head against a wall help?

does the wall need moved?

[Reds Fanatic]

Amarista flies out to left

[Red Raindog]

Cozart was loved for simply not being Paul Janish.

:thumbup:

[Kc61]

Todd Frazier is an average-above average major league 3rd baseman who is extremely affordable.

There are twenty major league third basemen with a qualified number of at bats.

In OPS, Frazier is eleventh out of twenty.
In BA, Frazier is fifteenth out of twenty.

I don't think offensively he is an above average starting third baseman. If you include backups, you're probably right.

Defensively he's been good. Disappointing hitter this year.

[New York Red]

Will there be a point where Votto realizes Joey is a kids name and starts going by Joe Votto?
That would totally screw up the JO-EY VOTT-O chant, so no. I already have my 20-month old nephew saying that, so lets not mess that up. Also, the Votto t-shirt I got him is going to be passed down to his 7-month old brother, so Joey changing his name to Joe would basically destroy our family. Don't do it, Joey.

[joshua]

Check out offense up and down the entire system. It's abysmal everywhere. If I were named GM tomorrow, the first thing I'd do in October is fire every hitting coach we have.

[Reds Fanatic]

Headley pops out to short.

[kaldaniels]

Thom complaining about the nomenclature of Tommy John surgery.

[Reds Fanatic]

Alonso singles to left center. 1st and 3rd.

[RedTeamGo!]

I gave a man the heimlech (sp?) last summer at a Chinese buffet. That was an interesting experience.

[ProfessorTofty]

1st and 3rd. Feels like only so many times we can see this before they draw blood. Let's hope it's not now.

[Roy Tucker]

I don't think Venable bends his knees at the plate

[redsfaninbsg]

Mike "Jimmy Haynes" Leake trying to wiggle out of another jam.

[Reds Fanatic]

4 pitch walk to Venable. Bases loaded.

[New York Red]

Bruce definitely homers off this guy if he gets 3 AB
Yup.

We've scored 7 runs in the last 5 games (as of right now), and Jay has 4 of the RBI and 2 of the runs scored. I'd say Joey and Jay are out best shots tonight. I still think we explode at some point. We can't let Leake lose in his hometown after the way he's pitched this year.

[Ironman92]

Yeah, I hope the Reds lose too.

I didn't say anything about losing

[Red Raindog]

Mike "Jimmy Haynes" Leake trying to wiggle out of another jam.

foul

[reds44]

There are twenty major league third basemen with a qualified number of at bats.

In OPS, Frazier is eleventh out of twenty.
In BA, Frazier is fifteenth out of twenty.

I don't think offensively he is an above average starting third baseman. If you include backups, you're probably right.

Defensively he's been good. Disappointing hitter this year.
Yes. His OPS is about average for qualifying players. He's been a fantastic defender. If you add in the garbage that hasn't qualified, he would be an above average hitter.

At worst, he's an average player.

You can make an argument (a pretty good one) he's an above average player.

[Ironman92]

Mike "Jimmy Haynes" Leake trying to wiggle out of another jam.

2.72

[ProfessorTofty]

Bouncer to first, and that ends it! Still no score through three.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kotsay grounds out to 1st. 0-0 after 3.

[Ironman92]

Yup.

We've scored 7 runs in the last 5 games (as of right now), and Jay has 4 of the RBI and 2 of the runs scored. I'd say Joey and Jay are out best shots tonight. I still think we explode at some point. We can't let Leake lose in his hometown after the way he's pitched this year.

He just looks like the pitcher has no chance.

[kaldaniels]

I didn't say anything about losing

That's true. Though I suspect you didn't write that with the Reds winning in mind.

What is true is that you hoped the Reds left 3 on base in the ninth.

Yeah, it was a trolling remark.

[Ironman92]

Cozart was loved for simply not being Paul Janish.

I liked soft J....he looked like Jimmy Kimmel

[Ironman92]

Lol at Thom

[redsfaninbsg]

2.72

I wasn't being serious. He's a far superior pitcher to Haynes. Although, he has pitched lucky the last two starts.

[reds44]

Mez doing karate in the on deck circle lol

[Reds Fanatic]

Paul walks

[Roy Tucker]

Mes will homer

[Ironman92]

That's true. Though I suspect you didn't write that with the Reds winning in mind.

What is true is that you hoped the Reds left 3 on base in the ninth.

Yeah, it was a trolling remark.

Yeah....sorry I get frustrated at the ridiculous people he has batted 2nd for 6 years.

[Billy Hamilton's Legs]

bad rocco

[Reds Fanatic]

Wow. Hit and run and it goes right to the second baseman for a 4-3 DP. What luck this team has.

[kaldaniels]

Yeah....sorry I get frustrated at the ridiculous people he has batted 2nd for 6 years.

Fair enough.

[Red Raindog]

Mez doing karate in the on deck circle lol

I see that was the answer / sarcasm

[KYRedsFan]

Mes will homer

Orrrrrr

[Stray]

bad luck there

[dsmith421]

No one on this team other than Votto and Choo can handle the bat to save their lives, nor can they run. Stop putting plays on. It never works.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cozart walks

[kaldaniels]

Cozart walked?

That's a sign. Reds will win.

[nate]

The pace of this game is slow.

[Blitz Dorsey]

Here's a thought: Let our guys walk and quit bailing this scrub pitcher out.

[reds44]

This is really just bad baseball. Neither pitcher is pitching well and neither team is scoring.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Marty is all doom and gloom too.

Jesus doesn't want them for a sunbeam.

[RedTeamGo!]

Pitcher can't find the plate.... lets do a hit and run on the first pitch!

Dusty being Dusty.

[KYRedsFan]

This guy is garbage. We were making him an all star

[Reds Fanatic]

Leake flies out to right. 22 straight scoreless.