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cumberlandreds
08-23-2013, 03:36 PM
Here's the Red-Leg lineup. Looks like Hanigan is going to be Bailey personal catcher. Gallardo is scheudeled to start for the Brewers. The Reds owe him big time.

1. Shin-Soo Choo (L) CF
2. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Brandon Phillips (R) 2B
5. Jay Bruce (L) RF
6. Ryan Ludwick (R) LF
7. Zack Cozart (R) SS
8. Ryan Hanigan (R) C
9. Homer Bailey (R) P

NebraskaRed
08-23-2013, 03:39 PM
So, this looks to be the lineup going forward. Hanigan for Arroyo and Bailey, Mes for everyone else. Frazier in the 2 spot, Cozart either 7th or 8th. I don't see Ludwick moving up any time soon.

I like it.

klw
08-23-2013, 04:23 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSYCsFnCYAAmGXY.png

traderumor
08-23-2013, 04:39 PM
Here's hoping seeing Gallardo for the second time in a week works to our advantage, and that it works against the Brewers in Bailey's case. I'm such a homer.

RedTeamGo!
08-23-2013, 04:42 PM
That Brewers lineup is poopy. Less than 2 out of 3 is a fail.

OesterPoster
08-23-2013, 04:56 PM
Bailey has never pitched with Scott Barry as the home plate umpire.

Gallardo has one game in 2009 with Barry behind the plate. 5 innings, 6 hits, 5 runs, 4 walks, 3 K's against the Dodgers.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 05:05 PM
Seems like we just played these guys no more than a few days ago. ... ... Oh, right, we did. Well, no possibility of a series split this time, so let's hope for 2/3. I would love to see a sweep.

RedsBrick
08-23-2013, 06:32 PM
Great, 3 more days of Mr. Slap-happy Aoki. Guy's annoying to me.

Magdal
08-23-2013, 07:02 PM
So, this looks to be the lineup going forward. Hanigan for Arroyo and Bailey, Mes for everyone else. Frazier in the 2 spot, Cozart either 7th or 8th. I don't see Ludwick moving up any time soon.

I like it.Like Bruce, Luddy owns this guy. I look for this to be his breakthrough game....3 for 4 with 2 Xtra base hits!

Sabo Fan
08-23-2013, 07:10 PM
Bruce goes yard tonight. Take it to the bank.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:12 PM
Good effort by Ludwick but the fan interferes

Red Raindog
08-23-2013, 08:13 PM
Good effort by Ludwick but the fan interferes

hope that fan isn't a RZ guy

LexRedsFan
08-23-2013, 08:14 PM
Great start tonight.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:14 PM
Aoki grounds to 3rd. Throw gets away and Aoki reaches

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 08:14 PM
Here we go again. Come on, defense, people!

Red Raindog
08-23-2013, 08:14 PM
Joey -- eyes open when catching a ball

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:15 PM
Segura grounds into a 4-6 FC.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 08:15 PM
Force out at second. I'll take that.

New York Red
08-23-2013, 08:15 PM
Its really shocking how lackadaisical Joey has become defensively.

RiverRat13
08-23-2013, 08:16 PM
I think the last thing I'd do is ask Dusty Baker if he was reminded about Steve Bartman.

Norm Chortleton
08-23-2013, 08:16 PM
Is dougdirt the official scorer?

:D

George Foster
08-23-2013, 08:17 PM
Its really shocking how lackadaisical Joey has become defensively.

Mark Grace is not doing anything....maybe he can give Votto a lesson on how to stretch and get off your knee.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:19 PM
LuCroy strikes out swinging

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 08:19 PM
Lucroy strikes out swinging.

Red Raindog
08-23-2013, 08:19 PM
Mark Grace is not doing anything....maybe he can give Votto a lesson on how to stretch and get off your knee.

Wes Parker came to my mind - but I'm old

KittyDuran
08-23-2013, 08:19 PM
hope that fan isn't a RZ guy

He'd remained anonymous - too bad there was no replay here at the ballpark. I thought Ludwick had it for sure. Could you here the boos via radio or TV?

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:21 PM
Segura steals 2nd

Red Raindog
08-23-2013, 08:21 PM
He'd remained anonymous - too bad there was no replay here at the ballpark. I thought Ludwick had it for sure. Could you here the boos via radio or TV?

a few --- saw Luddy's dirty look back at him

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:22 PM
He'd remained anonymous - too bad there was no replay here at the ballpark. I thought Ludwick had it for sure. Could you here the boos via radio or TV?

Couldn't hear any but it definitely looked like Ludwick makes that catch without that fan getting in the way

George Foster
08-23-2013, 08:22 PM
He'd remained anonymous - too bad there was no replay here at the ballpark. I thought Ludwick had it for sure. Could you here the boos via radio or TV?

I thought the TV guys did a good job not to focus in on the guy. Ludwick had it but the guy did not lean over the rail. It was falling right in his chest, he was looking up...

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:23 PM
Ramirez grounds out to 3rd. 0-0 mid 1st

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 08:23 PM
Yeah, it wasn't really like the fan did anything blatant. In any case, inning over, no score for the Brewers.

Red Raindog
08-23-2013, 08:24 PM
I thought the TV guys did a good job not to focus in on the guy. Ludwick had it but the guy did not lean over the rail. It was falling right in his chest, he was looking up...

agree -- it wasn't in the field of play

Norm Chortleton
08-23-2013, 08:24 PM
Ludwick should have called it.

George Foster
08-23-2013, 08:25 PM
Would love to jump on them early...you know the Pirates and Cards are scoreboard watching...put some pressure on them.

Larkin Fan
08-23-2013, 08:25 PM
He'd remained anonymous - too bad there was no replay here at the ballpark. I thought Ludwick had it for sure. Could you here the boos via radio or TV?

Luddy definitely would have had it.

George Foster
08-23-2013, 08:26 PM
Ludwick should have called it.

Thats a very good point. If that was me and I heard him yelling...I would of looked down...

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:26 PM
Choo grounds out to 2nd

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 08:28 PM
Todd Frazier smacks an infield single.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:28 PM
Infield hit for Frazier

George Foster
08-23-2013, 08:29 PM
Frazier would rather have the hit than the walk but strike 2 was no way on the plate.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 08:32 PM
Votto out, but advances the runner to second.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:32 PM
Check swing ground out to short by Votto. Runner to 2nd

Falcon7
08-23-2013, 08:32 PM
Sac bunt for JV

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:33 PM
Phillips grounds out to short. 0-0 mid 1st

DocRed
08-23-2013, 08:33 PM
Slowest team in baseball?

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 08:35 PM
Slowest team in baseball?
It would definitely be nice to get the speed of someone like Billy Hamilton onto those basepaths.

George Foster
08-23-2013, 08:36 PM
Slowest team in baseball?

Well...not the fastest. Very few guys have a chance to get an infield hit when the short stop fields it cleanly.

Falcon7
08-23-2013, 08:36 PM
Maybe Votto can get A part time job at Baskin & Robbins... I guess UDF would be more common in Reds country.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:38 PM
Nice catch by Choo at the wall

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 08:38 PM
Yes! Choo at the wall to prevent something ugly.

George Foster
08-23-2013, 08:38 PM
Choo with a can of corn...:eek:

NebraskaRed
08-23-2013, 08:39 PM
Gomez getting a taste of his own medicine.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:41 PM
Davis strikes out swinging. 2 Ks

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:43 PM
Francisco pops out to short. 0-0 mid 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:48 PM
Bruce strikes out swinging

LexRedsFan
08-23-2013, 08:49 PM
Had to be up at 6 for freshman move-in at UK today.... You fellas might have to bring this one home for me, I'm beat.

Falcon7
08-23-2013, 08:49 PM
JB needs to get going

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:52 PM
Cozart strikes out swinging. 0-0 after 2.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:56 PM
Gennett singles

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:56 PM
Gallardo sacrifices the runner to 2nd

Norm Chortleton
08-23-2013, 08:57 PM
WTH was up with that defense on the sac?

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 08:58 PM
Ugh. Throw is wide, Brewers up 1-0.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:58 PM
Aoki singles to left. 1-0 Brewers. Aoki to 2nd on the throw home

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 08:59 PM
Segura grounds out to 3rd

VR
08-23-2013, 08:59 PM
Getting the beat down from Scooter and Aoki.

Red Raindog
08-23-2013, 09:00 PM
WTH was up with that defense on the sac?

bunt was good enough but the communication - not so much

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 09:01 PM
LuCroy pops out to 3rd. 1-0 Brewers mid 3rd

757690
08-23-2013, 09:04 PM
Ump loves that outside corner to righties.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 09:04 PM
Hanigan lines a single to right

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 09:05 PM
Good bunt by Bailey

NebraskaRed
08-23-2013, 09:06 PM
That was almost an identical bunt.

Red in Chicago
08-23-2013, 09:06 PM
is second base really scoring position when it's hanigan;)

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 09:07 PM
Choo strikes out swinging

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 09:08 PM
is second base really scoring position when it's hanigan;)

*waiting for Choo HR* Yes.

Red Raindog
08-23-2013, 09:08 PM
yes TV heads-- we love the sac bunt 2 Reds tied for 1st in league -- Cozart & Bailey --- Arroyo tied for 3rd

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 09:08 PM
*waiting for Frazier HR* Yes.

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 09:09 PM
Frazier flies out to right. 1-0 Brewers

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 09:10 PM
Okay, maybe 2nd ISN'T scoring position for Hanny. :(

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 09:12 PM
Ramirez flies out to left

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 09:14 PM
Gomez strikes out swinging. 3 Ks.

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 09:15 PM
Gallardo has a 1.65 ERA in three starts vs the Reds this season (plus three shutout innings tonight). His ERA is 5.11 against everyone else.

miamiredskin
08-23-2013, 09:15 PM
Don't know what to say...

mdccclxix
08-23-2013, 09:16 PM
Reds need to stay focused and avoid a let down after a big series win. It's been sloppy so far.

WrongVerb
08-23-2013, 09:16 PM
yes TV heads-- we love the sac bunt 2 Reds tied for 1st in league -- Cozart & Bailey --- Arroyo tied for 3rd

I have zero problem with the pitcher and the weakest hitter in the lineup sacrificing.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 09:17 PM
Gallardo has a 1.65 ERA in three starts vs the Reds this season (plus three shutout innings tonight). His ERA is 5.11 against everyone else.

Well, Oswalt is retired. Someone has to take his spot in the anti-reds starting rotation, right? :p

WrongVerb
08-23-2013, 09:17 PM
Trivia question guess for me: Don Gullett

DocRed
08-23-2013, 09:17 PM
Idiot 1b ump...what else is new?

Reds Fanatic
08-23-2013, 09:17 PM
Davis walks but that was a bad call on a swing he did not check

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 09:18 PM
That was clearly strike three on Davis. Where do they find these umps?

mdccclxix
08-23-2013, 09:20 PM
They can retire that Francisco HR story any time now.

Red Raindog
08-23-2013, 09:21 PM
I have zero problem with the pitcher and the weakest hitter in the lineup sacrificing.

tend to agree --- but warning --- :deadhorse: -- IMO too many of Cozart's were in the 2 hole

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 09:24 PM
Phillips with a single to right, chance to get something going here.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 09:27 PM
Brewers's outfield just totally handling us tonight.

kbrake
08-23-2013, 09:29 PM
3 hard hit balls this inning and so far not much to show for it.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 09:34 PM
Yes! That one drops into center-- the throw to second misses-- it's a 2-1 lead!

Finally something to show for it.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 09:34 PM
COZY!! 2 run double! 2-1 Redlegs!

kbrake
08-23-2013, 09:34 PM
Hell of an AB by Cozart. Wow.

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 09:35 PM
Cozart! 2-1 Reds on a double! That was one of the best atbats I've seen Cozart have.

RedsBrick
08-23-2013, 09:35 PM
Atta boy, Cozart!

NebraskaRed
08-23-2013, 09:35 PM
2 run double for Cozart!

DocRed
08-23-2013, 09:35 PM
Helluva AB by Coz....

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 09:36 PM
Love the AB, love the hustle....the decision to go for 2....questionable and dangerous.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 09:36 PM
Scoring as a single and an error.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 09:38 PM
Sorry. I didn't see the bobble. My apologies Mr. Cozart.

RedsBrick
08-23-2013, 09:41 PM
Please stop wasting time talking about Ryan Braun.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 09:44 PM
Please stop wasting time talking about Ryan Braun.

Actually, that was the first time I heard his statement.

RedsBrick
08-23-2013, 09:47 PM
Actually, that was the first time I heard his statement.

and I don't believe it for a second....a cream and a lozenge? you bet.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 09:47 PM
Agreed. I don't buy it. But it was interesting to finally hear it.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 09:49 PM
Cards up 1-0 in the 2nd

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 09:50 PM
Nice job by Bailey to escape the two on, two out jam. 2-1 Reds after 4 1/2.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 09:51 PM
LOL. Phillips gets the pop out and then teases Joey..."oh, did you want this?" Joey slaps his glove. Say what you will about Brandon, but that guy understands that this is a game and you're supposed to have FUN playing it. :O)

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 09:52 PM
Choo with a big swing at the first pitch there; smacks it foul.

Wonderful Monds
08-23-2013, 09:57 PM
Strike 2 on ball 4

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 09:58 PM
3-1 pitch to Votto wasn't a strike. Umpshow.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 09:58 PM
Game of inches fellas, game of inches. 2 strike calls that easily could've gone either way. Then a tapper to the plate that stays fair by an inch. Votto out. Tough break there.

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 09:59 PM
It's a testament to how great the Reds pitching has been to have a 73-55 record despite having only three above average hitters on the team.

kbrake
08-23-2013, 10:00 PM
Left for a bit I come back to hear Kelch say Votto hasn't swung yet in the AB and the Fox Trax thing is up and doesn't have single ball in the zone but it is a 3-2 count. Umpires are so cool.

Red Raindog
08-23-2013, 10:00 PM
Game of inches fellas, game of inches. 2 strike calls that easily could've gone either way. Then a tapper to the plate that stays fair by an inch. Votto out. Tough break there.

bad ump there too

Gunner44
08-23-2013, 10:00 PM
When does Votto start getting the benefit of the doubt on close strike calls like super stars of the past? Or is that something thats pretty much over with?

Ironman92
08-23-2013, 10:02 PM
Hard to complain about balls and strikes as I thought Cozart watched strike 3, but wasn't called....then he knocks in 2

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:02 PM
bad ump there too

To be fair, gameday had them right there. A quarter of the ball on the black. Not saying he's right or wrong...just tossing out that info. Looked outside and low to me.

kbrake
08-23-2013, 10:02 PM
When does Votto start getting the benefit of the doubt on close strike calls like super stars of the past? Or is that something thats pretty much over with?

I think he does most the time.

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:03 PM
Ramirez doubles, moves to third on a groundout by Gomez. One out.

DocRed
08-23-2013, 10:04 PM
Homer doesnt have it 2night

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:05 PM
Ramirez doubles, moves to third on a groundout by Gomez. One out.

Phillips wanted to go to third on that ground out too. Todd wasn't covering quickly enough though. You could see them chatting about it afterwards.

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:05 PM
1-2 count on Davis. Need to bury something down and away here.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 10:06 PM
Oh man, that ball was hammered by Khris Davis. It's 3-2 for the Brewers.

New York Red
08-23-2013, 10:06 PM
Grrrrr

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:06 PM
Awful pitch calling. Fastball right down the middle. 3-2 Brewers.

DocRed
08-23-2013, 10:06 PM
Homer doesnt have it 2night

too late......

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:06 PM
*sigh* Missed his location. Gone. 3-2 Brewers.

Red Raindog
08-23-2013, 10:06 PM
1-2 count on Davis. Need to bury something down and away here.

or not

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:07 PM
Davis will swing at junk down and away. Reds had him 1-2 and went with back to back fastballs. I don't get it.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:07 PM
What the heck?!? Gameday just listed that pitch by Homer as a knuckle curve?!? Huh?

Red in Chicago
08-23-2013, 10:08 PM
i'm sick of the brewers...

Norm Chortleton
08-23-2013, 10:08 PM
Awful pitch calling. Fastball right down the middle. 3-2 Brewers.

It was supposed to be inside. Bailey missed his spot. Badly.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2013, 10:08 PM
Awful pitch calling.

Red Raindog
08-23-2013, 10:09 PM
What the heck?!? Gameday just listed that pitch by Homer as a knuckle curve?!? Huh?

see that often with Sam

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:09 PM
It was supposed to be inside. Bailey missed his spot. Badly.

The guy crushes fastballs. I really didn't understand pitching to his strength.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:09 PM
Homer- "Hey, where are my wheels?"

Price- "they're over there...they fell off."

mdccclxix
08-23-2013, 10:09 PM
I think Welch may be right, Bailey is throwing and not pitching right now.

RedsBrick
08-23-2013, 10:10 PM
location, location, location...

DocRed
08-23-2013, 10:10 PM
Get him out..

Norm Chortleton
08-23-2013, 10:10 PM
Davis will swing at junk down and away. Reds had him 1-2 and went with back to back fastballs. I don't get it.

Davis hit a HR off of Bailey on a breaking pitch last week.

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:11 PM
Davis hit a HR off of Bailey on a breaking pitch last week.

A hanger from what I remember. Bury it down and away and he's prone to chasing.

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:12 PM
Not a bad start by Bailey by any means. He just made a terrible pitch to Davis and paid for it.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:12 PM
It was supposed to be inside. Bailey missed his spot. Badly.

True. But I'm still wondering why all the FB's to that guy? Homer and Hanny are usually on the same page and Hanigan is a fantastic pitch caller. I'd have to say he botched that batter. If you don't want to pull out the curve, fine. At least change speeds. He's a dead-red fastball hitter, you can fool him badly just by changing speeds. Of course the best idea was the curveball IMO. Odd.

klw
08-23-2013, 10:13 PM
Awful pitch calling.

Mez's fault.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2013, 10:14 PM
Mez's fault.

He's usually a master of that craft. But he called a bad at-bat there.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:14 PM
Oh well, it's done with. Let's go boys. Get those runs back right here!

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:15 PM
Phillips homers! Tie game!

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:15 PM
There ya go! :jump: BPHIL! Dead center on a rope. 3-3 ballgame!

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 10:15 PM
Brandon Phillips blasts one! We're all tied up!

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2013, 10:15 PM
DAT Dude.

Red in Chicago
08-23-2013, 10:16 PM
i thought gomes was going to make one of those catches again

RedsBrick
08-23-2013, 10:16 PM
Atta boy, BP!!!

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 10:16 PM
i thought gomes was going to make one of those catches again
I had the same concern. But not this time!

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:18 PM
i thought gomes was going to make one of those catches again

I was going to personally drive to Cincinnati and tackle him if he robbed the Reds of another HR.

That ball was smoked.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:19 PM
I'd love to see Luddy get into one right here.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:19 PM
That'll work. Rocket off the glove of Ramirez. Solid single.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 10:20 PM
Ludwick smacks a hard hit past the third baseman. Go-ahead run is on!

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:20 PM
107 pitches for Gallardo....might be it for him. We'll see the pen shortly regardless. I like our chances.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 10:21 PM
Oh well. Double play ends the inning.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:22 PM
Darn. 4-6-3 DP to end the inning. Nice turn too.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2013, 10:22 PM
Need Jay to get into one of those hot streaks.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:23 PM
Still 1-0 Cardinals in the 5th now.

cincrazy
08-23-2013, 10:24 PM
Khris Davis is the new Bill Hall.

Ironman92
08-23-2013, 10:24 PM
Mez's fault.

Lol

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:24 PM
Logan on the bump.

Ironman92
08-23-2013, 10:25 PM
Nice error Brandon

Ironman92
08-23-2013, 10:25 PM
10 errors

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2013, 10:25 PM
Oh crap.

Now Ondrusek, deficient as he is, has a runner on and no outs.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:25 PM
Dang. Tapper to Phillips...he's got to really hurry to get Aoki....error.

Big Klu
08-23-2013, 10:26 PM
Congratulations to Brandon Phillips, who has tied Jay Bruce for 13th place on the Reds' all-time home run list!


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Jay Bruce - 158
13. Brandon Phillips - 158
15. Joe Morgan - 152
15. Pete Rose - 152
17. Joey Votto - 151
18. Lee May - 147
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:26 PM
Ondrusek scares me. Ondrusek having to get four outs in an inning is even scarier. That was a routine play.

Ironman92
08-23-2013, 10:26 PM
Segura DP or HR

Ironman92
08-23-2013, 10:27 PM
Ondrusek scares me. Ondrusek having to get four outs in an inning is even scarier. That was a routine play.

Most second baseman don't even get to that ball.

/Redstvguys

cincrazy
08-23-2013, 10:28 PM
Segura DP or HR

Nice call!

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:28 PM
Ondrusek scares me. Ondrusek having to get four outs in an inning is even scarier. That was a routine play.

It's a play he normally makes, I agree. But it wasn't routine. He had to really rush to make that play.

DP! Nice!

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:28 PM
Double play! Great play by Ondrusek.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2013, 10:28 PM
Wowowowow

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 10:28 PM
Wow! They got the double play on a hit-and-run. That was fantastic.

RedsBrick
08-23-2013, 10:28 PM
Nice job, Logan...great DP.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 10:29 PM
And another fantastic play! Great time for the defense to pick up!

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:29 PM
OUCH! Logan tries barehanding that one. And then Phillips with an absolute gem on the rebound!

I do believe that'll be your web-gem nominee for the night ESPN.

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:29 PM
Phillips redeems himself on the error by making a great play on a ball that was deflected by Ondrusek. 3-3 after 6 1/2.

RedsBrick
08-23-2013, 10:30 PM
Ok, Datdude....we'll let you keep playing 2nd for the Reds!

Brutus
08-23-2013, 10:30 PM
The guy crushes fastballs. I really didn't understand pitching to his strength.

Out of curiosity, are you basing that off the sum of 5-6 games you've seen him against the Reds? It seems you remember him hitting a homer of Cingrani and a double off Leake, and therefore he must feast off fastballs.

The guy has a grand total of 77 MLB plate appearances. I think it's far too early to say what he can or can't hit.

Falcon7
08-23-2013, 10:31 PM
Did not hit the rubber, Logans hand

OldXOhio
08-23-2013, 10:31 PM
Not a bad start by Bailey by any means. He just made a terrible pitch to Davis and paid for it.

Isn't that Homer's MO much of the time.....still makes enough mistakes like the pitch to Davis that keep his ERA in the mid to high 3s.

PuffyPig
08-23-2013, 10:32 PM
Most second baseman don't even get to that ball.

/Redstvguys

At this stage of his career, Philips only grades out at about average range wise.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 10:35 PM
Paul is plunked on the knee.

RedsBrick
08-23-2013, 10:35 PM
Takin' it for the team...

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2013, 10:36 PM
Out of curiosity, are you basing that off the sum of 5-6 games you've seen him against the Reds? It seems you remember him hitting a homer of Cingrani and a double off Leake, and therefore he must feast off fastballs.

The guy has a grand total of 77 MLB plate appearances. I think it's far too early to say what he can or can't hit.

Obviously the Reds felt like they knew something about him, throwing him all fastballs.

I do believe he played some minor league ball. Perhaps some info about his tendencies was gleaned from there.

Red Raindog
08-23-2013, 10:36 PM
heard Cingrani had to stop after 12 pitches in his test

now what?

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2013, 10:37 PM
Leave the yard, Toddfather.

Brutus
08-23-2013, 10:37 PM
Obviously the Reds felt like they knew something about him, throwing him all fastballs.

I do believe he played some minor league ball. Perhaps some info about his tendencies was gleaned from there.

I agree completely. But I'm assuming that OBM or anyone else probably has no clue what his tendencies were in the minors, since I doubt anyone made it a habit of watching Nashville games or Huntsville, so I'm saying that it's too early to establish what he's able to hit or not hit at this level from what most fans have seen.

cincrazy
08-23-2013, 10:40 PM
I agree completely. But I'm assuming that OBM or anyone else probably has no clue what his tendencies were in the minors, since I doubt anyone made it a habit of watching Nashville games or Huntsville, so I'm saying that it's too early to establish what he's able to hit or not hit at this level from what most fans have seen.

I don't think OBM's comments were off base. They seem pretty accurate to me. That's the book on most hitters that aren't great hitters, so I don't think he made a huge reach in what he said. I don't think we need 2,000 PA to glean he mashes fastballs and struggles with breaking pitches.

Norm Chortleton
08-23-2013, 10:40 PM
Phillips homers! Tie game!

Must have been a terrible pitch call by Lucroy.

RedsBrick
08-23-2013, 10:42 PM
heard Cingrani had to stop after 12 pitches in his test

now what?

That doesn't sound good!

PuffyPig
08-23-2013, 10:42 PM
Braves tie Cards 1-1.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:42 PM
Obviously the Reds felt like they knew something about him, throwing him all fastballs.

I do believe he played some minor league ball. Perhaps some info about his tendencies was gleaned from there.

FWIW, I listened to the brewers broadcast one game during the last series with the crew and the announcers mentioned that he's a notorious FB hitter.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:43 PM
Parra warming.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2013, 10:43 PM
I agree completely. But I'm assuming that OBM or anyone else probably has no clue what his tendencies were in the minors, since I doubt anyone made it a habit of watching Nashville games or Huntsville, so I'm saying that it's too early to establish what he's able to hit or not hit at this level from what most fans have seen.

Yeah. But the guy's a casual baseball fan, watching baseball....his team playing against a team to which he probably pays little attention (why would he or anyone else outside of Milwuakee this year?) making an observation based on what he's seen this guy do to us in a very short sample size.

And it's no more fair for you to assume he's wrong, since what little we have seen supports his opinion.

There's so much acrimony around here. Anytime anyone makes even a mildly declarative statement of opinion someone is at the ready to argue with them. It's gone beyond just fun discussion. It's become a collection of people who get off on winning arguments and that culture is pervasive.

RedsBrick
08-23-2013, 10:44 PM
Some guys should simply NOT wear a mohawk....Simon is one of those guys.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2013, 10:44 PM
FWIW, I listened to the brewers broadcast one game during the last series with the crew and the announcers mentioned that he's a notorious FB hitter.

Thus proving OBM was not off the mark in his statement.

New York Red
08-23-2013, 10:45 PM
Unreal

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 10:45 PM
Khris Davis again. Oy. 5-3 Brewers.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:45 PM
I hate this guy.

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:45 PM
Khris Davis owns the Reds.

Simon has great numbers, but I just can't trust him.

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:46 PM
FWIW, I listened to the brewers broadcast one game during the last series with the crew and the announcers mentioned that he's a notorious FB hitter.

Another HR on a fastball. Not to mention his scouting reports suggest he murders fastballs. As do the on field results. Maybe the Reds should pitch him differently.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2013, 10:47 PM
This much is clear - make a mistake to this guy wearing a Reds uni and he will make you pay.

Red Raindog
08-23-2013, 10:47 PM
I hate this guy.

he's shown me he can pound one thrown down the middle -- might want to stop that

RedsBrick
08-23-2013, 10:47 PM
ridiculous

Red in Chicago
08-23-2013, 10:47 PM
:lol::lol::lol:

Larkin Fan
08-23-2013, 10:47 PM
Ugh, Khris Davis thinks he's Chris Davis.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:47 PM
Crap. Not sure that was gone. Looked like the guy leaned over to snag it.

Brutus
08-23-2013, 10:47 PM
I don't think OBM's comments were off base. They seem pretty accurate to me. That's the book on most hitters that aren't great hitters, so I don't think he made a huge reach in what he said. I don't think we need 2,000 PA to glean he mashes fastballs and struggles with breaking pitches.

That's an awfully big generalization and not one that lends itself to successful scouting.

Some guys are fastball hitters, some are better with offspeed stuff. Some are high ball hitters, some are low ball hitters. There's no one set characteristic among hitters.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 10:47 PM
Oh man. And that one-run shot is somehow even more painful.

New York Red
08-23-2013, 10:47 PM
Yeah. But the guy's a casual baseball fan, watching baseball....his team playing against a team to which he probably pays little attention (why would he or anyone else outside of Milwuakee this year?) making an observation based on what he's seen this guy do to us in a very short sample size.

And it's no more fair for you to assume he's wrong, since what little we have seen supports his opinion.

There's so much acrimony around here. Anytime anyone makes even a mildly declarative statement of opinion someone is at the ready to argue with them. It's gone beyond just fun discussion. It's become a collection of people who get off on winning arguments and that culture is pervasive.
You speak the truth, brother. I don't even post much anymore, because of the posters you're referring to. They completely ruin the site.

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:48 PM
If you want to win the division, you can't lose games to the Brewers at home.

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2013, 10:48 PM
Genette. Aoki and Davis are 3 of my least favorite players in baseball.

We're going to lose a home opener to the Brewers. Blech.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:48 PM
Nope. Gone.

Larkin Fan
08-23-2013, 10:49 PM
Geez. Scooter scoots one over now.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 10:49 PM
I thought it was gone, but I guess they're reviewing it.

RedTeamGo!
08-23-2013, 10:49 PM
If you want to win the division, you can't lose games to the Brewers at home.

Do you really expect the reds to win every single game against the brewers in cincy?

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:49 PM
There's so much acrimony around here. Anytime anyone makes even a mildly declarative statement of opinion someone is at the ready to argue with them. It's gone beyond just fun discussion. It's become a collection of people who get off on winning arguments and that culture is pervasive.

Exactly, and that crap is what ruins the game threads.

WildcatFan
08-23-2013, 10:49 PM
I'm sitting the row behind and five seats over from the guy. He didnt reach over. Also I'm in a backward gray cap.

Brutus
08-23-2013, 10:49 PM
Yeah. But the guy's a casual baseball fan, watching baseball....his team playing against a team to which he probably pays little attention (why would he or anyone else outside of Milwuakee this year?) making an observation based on what he's seen this guy do to us in a very short sample size.

And it's no more fair for you to assume he's wrong, since what little we have seen supports his opinion.

There's so much acrimony around here. Anytime anyone makes even a mildly declarative statement of opinion someone is at the ready to argue with them. It's gone beyond just fun discussion. It's become a collection of people who get off on winning arguments and that culture is pervasive.

Why isn't some humility called for? If someone's a casual baseball fan, maybe they should be a little more careful not to make matter-of-fact judgments about scouting reports and such they are not privy to based on 5-6 games.

Sorry but having an opinion is not the same as having a little humility that the opinion might be unfounded or based on an extremely small sample of something they don't have all the information.

Falcon7
08-23-2013, 10:49 PM
Who needs hands to catch a ball...

TheBigLebowski
08-23-2013, 10:49 PM
That's an awfully big generalization and not one that lends itself to successful scouting.

Some guys are fastball hitters, some are better with offspeed stuff. Some are high ball hitters, some are low ball hitters. There's no one set characteristic among hitters.

I wasn't aware he was a scout.

This kind of crap is why I have stayed away lately. Goodnight, all.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:49 PM
That's an awfully big generalization and not one that lends itself to successful scouting.

Some guys are fastball hitters, some are better with offspeed stuff. Some are high ball hitters, some are low ball hitters. There's no one set characteristic among hitters.

That's true. I was basing MY opinion after hearing the Brewer's announcers state rather emphatically that he's a "dead red fastball hitter". Exactly what they said btw.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:50 PM
Do you really expect the reds to win every single game against the brewers in cincy?

Yes. Yes I do. :lol:

dsmith421
08-23-2013, 10:50 PM
Welp. That completely stinks, and with Reynolds out there Sunday this series is not looking good at all.

I think it may be time to put a toe in the pool and see about some relief help.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 10:51 PM
It's a homer. No surprise.

Larkin Fan
08-23-2013, 10:51 PM
I'm sitting the row behind and five seats over from the guy. He didnt reach over. Also I'm in a backward gray cap.

You had a great view.

PuffyPig
08-23-2013, 10:51 PM
If you want to win the division, you can't lose games to the Brewers at home.

The Cards and Pirates have also lost games at home to the Brewers.

Who's left to win the division, the Cubs?

Norm Chortleton
08-23-2013, 10:52 PM
Another HR on a fastball. Not to mention his scouting reports suggest he murders fastballs. As do the on field results. Maybe the Reds should pitch him differently.

I don't think that was a fastball. It looked like Hanigan gave the sign for a breaking pitch and MLB Gameday says it was a cutter.

Mutaman
08-23-2013, 10:52 PM
Genette. Aoki and Davis are 3 of my least favorite players in baseball.


Not an argument, question: Why? Seems like Genette is somebody we can all root for. Aoki is a nice ball player too.

Brutus
08-23-2013, 10:52 PM
Exactly, and that crap is what ruins the game threads.

What ruins the game threads is the constant negativity, second-guessing, overreacting and matter-of-factual statements that get thrown around haphazardly without consideration for other posters.

Some people don't like to see constant complaining and overreacting... they prefer conversations instead of venting.

WildcatFan
08-23-2013, 10:52 PM
You had a great view.

Haha did ya see me?

Larkin Fan
08-23-2013, 10:52 PM
Simon sucks tonight.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 10:52 PM
And now a double for Betancourt. All this with two outs. Man...

DocRed
08-23-2013, 10:52 PM
Geezus Dusty....what the heck is it gonna take to pull Simon?!?!

OnBaseMachine
08-23-2013, 10:53 PM
The Cards and Pirates have also lost games at home to the Brewers.

Who's left to win the division, the Cubs?

The Reds are 2.5 games out of first. These are the games the Reds have to win. Reds are the chasers.

_Sir_Charles_
08-23-2013, 10:53 PM
Christiani, your time is NOW.

RedsBrick
08-23-2013, 10:53 PM
Leave him in Dusty....he needs to take one for the team now.

ProfessorTofty
08-23-2013, 10:53 PM
Our first taste of Christiani. Here's hoping he acquits himself well.

Brutus
08-23-2013, 10:53 PM
That's true. I was basing MY opinion after hearing the Brewer's announcers state rather emphatically that he's a "dead red fastball hitter". Exactly what they said btw.

I'm not doubting that at all. And that provides more context and I appreciate your pointing that out.

But you and I both know OBM didn't know that when he said it. He was overreacting to what he's seen Davis do in half a dozen games against the Red and making a plain assumption.