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WVRedsFan
09-01-2013, 07:02 PM
He got lit up, period.

Word. Leake is a fifth starter, no more, no less. As for today? Another lost opportunity among many.

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 07:02 PM
Come on. Cuddeyer lit him up, yes. Outside of him, there were only a few hits. The dinger and that double from LeMaiheu.

So outside of Cuddeyer he only gave up a HR and a double in 4.1 innings. Yes, I agree. To me that's lit up.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:02 PM
3 outs finally

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 07:03 PM
So outside of Cuddeyer he only gave up a HR and a double in 4.1 innings. Yes, I agree. To me that's lit up.

That's a pretty high standard to hold a pitcher to, no?

Falls City Beer
09-01-2013, 07:04 PM
Reds don't beat teams with good offenses. Period. They might luck into a win like last night, but Reds offense can't keep up.

WVRedsFan
09-01-2013, 07:04 PM
Come on. Cuddeyer lit him up, yes. Outside of him, there were only a few hits. The dinger and that double from LeMaiheu.

Eight hits in 4.1 innings, regardless of how hard hit they were. They all count.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:05 PM
Was it crummy luck when Bruce crashed into the wall to save a double, or the no-doubt HR or the walks, etc.?

I'm not saying he had a good start. I'm saying he didn't catch any breaks either. 1 run in the first should've been a 1-2-3 inning but for Bruce losing the ball. This inning had 2 seeing eye grounder to the left side that snuck through. If Hannahan hadn't been playing in so much, that single by Dickerson was a tailor made dp ball. He had some balls tattooed off him today for sure but he wasn't "lit up" like implied here IMO.

DocRed
09-01-2013, 07:05 PM
Leake's ERA has gone from 2.59 to 3.52 in less than a month....

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 07:06 PM
That's a pretty high standard to hold a pitcher to, no?

Six runs in 4.1 innings is a high standard? Sorry, I expect more.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:06 PM
Eight hits in 4.1 innings, regardless of how hard hit they were. They all count.

Agreed. I just don't see that as being lit up is all.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:06 PM
Leake's ERA has gone from 2.59 to 3.52 in less than a month....Good chance it'll be over 4.00 before the end of the season.


Heisey gets on with a hit. No outs.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:07 PM
Hannahan with a hit.

1st and 2nd, no outs.

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 07:07 PM
Well it isn't over yet.

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 07:07 PM
I'm not saying he had a good start. I'm saying he didn't catch any breaks either. 1 run in the first should've been a 1-2-3 inning but for Bruce losing the ball. This inning had 2 seeing eye grounder to the left side that snuck through. If Hannahan hadn't been playing in so much, that single by Dickerson was a tailor made dp ball. He had some balls tattooed off him today for sure but he wasn't "lit up" like implied here IMO.

How you figure? Should he have caught the pop up, sure. Should he have caught the missile, probably not but he did.

WVRedsFan
09-01-2013, 07:08 PM
Leake's ERA has gone from 2.59 to 3.52 in less than a month....

This. And in the end, it's a loss unless the Reds come back. Anda full game lost in the standings potentially. Leake's a good fifth starter. Fifth starters do that.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 07:08 PM
Two hits. Here come the Reds.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:08 PM
Of course. Double play. 2 outs, runner at second.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 07:09 PM
And like that the inning is almost over.

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 07:09 PM
Any chance of us stealing their 3rd baseman?

WVRedsFan
09-01-2013, 07:10 PM
Any chance of us stealing their 3rd baseman?

We're happy with what we have.

What's out there is no better than what we have.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:10 PM
How you figure? Should he have caught the pop up, sure. Should he have caught the missile, probably not but he did.

Nevermind. Fine, he sucked today. Sheesh.

But for 2 plays, the Rockies could've easily been held to 1 run. Dropped pop up. Hannahan playing on the grass for Dickerson.

BluegrassRedleg
09-01-2013, 07:12 PM
No TOOTBLAN for Hannahan. Shame you can't get fundamental baseball from the guy you're paying $200M, too.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 07:12 PM
Any chance of us stealing their 3rd baseman?

Maybe if he's at Macy's at the same time as Leake.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:12 PM
I've got about as little hope as possible that The Reds will come back here.

Even when they get runners on, they either strand them or hit into double plays. What they certainly don't do is drive them in.

As FCB said, they just aren't a good enough offense to keep up. If the pitching has an even remotely bad day, it's all but a certain loss.

DocRed
09-01-2013, 07:13 PM
This team just hasn't shown the ability to comeback this year, which is funny because it was only a few years ago we would come back in almost every game.

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 07:13 PM
So, what time are we burning Leake and Votto at the stake? 7-ish?

RedsBrick
09-01-2013, 07:14 PM
OK, Choo...about the cycle thing...If it's all the same I'd prefer a multi homer day. Thanks!

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 07:14 PM
Man, the Reds really don't want to win the NL Central.

50YrRedsFan
09-01-2013, 07:14 PM
It's a good thing that Arizona and Washington aren't playing any better than they are or we could be in big trouble holding on to the last wild card spot. 4 coming up starting tomorrow against the Cardinals, and then 3 against the Dodgers. It could be a very bad week starting with a loss today.

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 07:14 PM
Nevermind. Fine, he sucked today. Sheesh.

But for 2 plays, the Rockies could've easily been held to 1 run. Dropped pop up. Hannahan playing on the grass for Dickerson.

We'll just agree to disagree. Six runs in 4.1 sucks to me and it was caused by his poor pitching in my view.

WVRedsFan
09-01-2013, 07:14 PM
I've got about as little hope as possible that The Reds will come back here.

Even when they get runners on, they either strand them or hit into double plays. What they certainly don't do is drive them in.

As FCB said, they just aren't a good enough offense to keep up. If the pitching has an even remotely bad day, it's all but a certain loss.

I would agree, even though I don't think they cannot. Offensively, this club is less than adequate unless the opposition's pitching is bad.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:15 PM
Man, the Reds really don't want to win the NL Central.The third wild card has really taken the drive out of teams if you ask me.

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 07:15 PM
Nevermind. Fine, he sucked today. Sheesh.

But for 2 plays, the Rockies could've easily been held to 1 run. Dropped pop up. Hannahan playing on the grass for Dickerson.

Trying to make a point about any Reds player not doing as bad as the black and white results is quickly becoming a lost cause even if you do admit that it wasn't pretty.

RedsBrick
09-01-2013, 07:16 PM
Wow...that dude couldn't buy a better last name!

kbrake
09-01-2013, 07:16 PM
The third wild card has really taken the drive out of teams if you ask me.

They're not stupid they know the benefit of winning the division. Sadly I think this is just the team we are looking at. Has been the same story all season.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:16 PM
And just like that, inning over.

3 hits and nothing to show for it. Typical Reds inning.

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 07:17 PM
Too much to ask to go 4-4. Choo flies out to third for the final out of the inning.

DocRed
09-01-2013, 07:17 PM
So, what time are we burning Leake and Votto at the stake? 7-ish?

Dunno but lemme know, I'm bringing marshmallows.

Falls City Beer
09-01-2013, 07:17 PM
The Reds counted on too many unprovens in the offense department. I imagine they'll tilt towards a vet or two in the offseason. People will whinge about Mesaraco's HOF career being cut short by veterans, but it'll be the right move.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:18 PM
They're not stupid they know the benefit of winning the division. Sadly I think this is just the team we are looking at. Has been the same story all season.Sure, but that doesn't mean they aren't complacent, with an attitude of "No big deal if we don't end up winning it, we'll still have the wild card."

Even if they aren't knowingly doing it, I wouldn't be surpised if it has some effect.

Redsfansince72
09-01-2013, 07:21 PM
i dont agree with Welch, Cozart bunts there on the 2nd pitch (3rd basemen playing reg position)he either beats it out or 2nd and 3rd 1 out. Then Paul gets that single, even with Choo popping out its 6-3 and Phillips up..

Redsfan08
09-01-2013, 07:22 PM
Brook Jacoby im sure is a very hard worker when it comes to teaching his guys to hit the only problem is hes not a very good coach

BluegrassRedleg
09-01-2013, 07:22 PM
Man, the Reds really don't want to win the NL Central.

.500-ish team for better part of 3 months.

BluegrassRedleg
09-01-2013, 07:23 PM
i dont agree with Welch, Cozart bunts there on the 2nd pitch (3rd basemen playing reg position)he either beats it out or 2nd and 3rd 1 out. Then Paul gets that single, even with Choo popping out its 6-3 and Phillips up..

Completely agree with you. He was talking like it was the 8th inning.

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 07:23 PM
.500-ish team for better part of 3 months.

Somehow still 16 above .500 with a good hold on the second wildcard.

DocRed
09-01-2013, 07:28 PM
Somehow still 16 above .500 with a good hold on the second wildcard.

If we lose today we will have played 1 game above .500 since May 28th.

WVRedsFan
09-01-2013, 07:28 PM
Partch.

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 07:29 PM
If we lose today we will have played 1 game above .500 since May 28th.

And they'd be 15 above .500 with as good a hold on the second wildcard.

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 07:29 PM
If we lose today we will have played 1 game above .500 since May 28th.
What about May 27th? Or May 26th? What makes May 28th special?

DocRed
09-01-2013, 07:30 PM
And they'd be 15 above .500 with as good a hold on the second wildcard.

True too....

BluegrassRedleg
09-01-2013, 07:30 PM
Somehow still 16 above .500 with a good hold on the second wildcard.

True. But that's more of a reflection of the league as a whole. Reds have played fairly well against weaker teams, recent games against MIL and COL notwithstanding.

DocRed
09-01-2013, 07:30 PM
What about May 27th? Or May 26th? What makes May 28th special?

Because May 28th makes my argument stronger...duh. ;)

50YrRedsFan
09-01-2013, 07:31 PM
Somehow still 16 above .500 with a good hold on the second wildcard.

25 games to go after today. Reds have shown no hint of improvement since the end of May. Doesn't make for an optimistic outlook for the one game playoff.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:31 PM
What about May 27th? Or May 26th? What makes May 28th special?
I'm guessing that was their high water mark, record wise.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:32 PM
For those wondering, this is what Welch was talking about with Deion.

http://madtreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/062397deion_400x488.jpg

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 07:32 PM
Somehow still 16 above .500 with a good hold on the second wildcard.

This in a nutshell is the never ending problem on this board. I'm not saying either side is right but, one side is clearly on the most other teams would kill to be in the Reds shoes, in the playoffs anything can happen, etc. The other side feels this isn't enough and the Reds should be battling for home field advantage not blowing numerous chances to gain in the standings.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:33 PM
He was out!

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:33 PM
WHAT?!? He was toast!

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 07:34 PM
I'd give anything to see Dusty get ejected.

DocRed
09-01-2013, 07:34 PM
Hey look an ump misses a call! Man you almost never see that.....

BluegrassRedleg
09-01-2013, 07:34 PM
Third base umpire has blown two calls today in favor of the Rocks.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:34 PM
Last thing we need is the umpire handing them even more extra outs. Ugh.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:35 PM
Slo-mo.....he was NAILED! :(

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 07:35 PM
This in a nutshell is the never ending problem on this board. I'm not saying either side is right but, one side is clearly on the most other teams would kill to be in the Reds shoes, in the playoffs anything can happen, etc. The other side feels this isn't enough and the Reds should be battling for home field advantage not blowing numerous chances to gain in the standings.

I'm not sure how that's a problem? That's what debate is about. Some people can have an optimistic outlook, others have a more pessimistic outlook. Healthy debate.

BluegrassRedleg
09-01-2013, 07:35 PM
For those wondering, this is what Welch was talking about with Deion.

http://madtreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/062397deion_400x488.jpg

Ha. That's what I thought he meant, too. Wow. Those are bad.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:35 PM
out 4, inning over.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:35 PM
Btw...agree with Welch. Weird time for a double steal. 2 outs and Tulo up?

BluegrassRedleg
09-01-2013, 07:36 PM
Someone should photoshop that visor the dude from Star Trek wore on Deion. :D

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:36 PM
Slo-mo.....he was NAILED! :(Replay can't get here fast enough.

Time to hold these guys accountable.

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 07:36 PM
I'm not sure how that's a problem? That's what debate is about. Some people can have an optimistic outlook, others have a more pessimistic outlook. Healthy debate.

It's the underlying issue in most debates on this board that causes things to cross the line.

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 07:36 PM
Are the umps sure they don't want to call Tulo safe there at first?

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 07:37 PM
This in a nutshell is the never ending problem on this board. I'm not saying either side is right but, one side is clearly on the most other teams would kill to be in the Reds shoes, in the playoffs anything can happen, etc. The other side feels this isn't enough and the Reds should be battling for home field advantage not blowing numerous chances to gain in the standings.
I feel both, in the long view I'll take a winning year and a playoff appearance any year, but this year with us so close to St. Louis and Pittsburgh it is very frustrating to see the Reds losing series' to the Mariners, the Rockies, the Padres, and other teams they should be beating.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:38 PM
Trivia question answer has to be Utley, right?

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:38 PM
I'd have to guess Jeff Kent. Last NL 2b to get 100 rbi's.

Dang. Yep, Operator's gotta be right. Forgot about Utley.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:40 PM
Yep, Operator's gotta be right.You act like I've ever been wrong... :D

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:41 PM
Brandon refuses to take a walk and Ks. 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:42 PM
Was Phillips limping there? (on the way back to the dugout)

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:43 PM
Am I alone in thinking that Votto could use a day off? He really looks confused at the dish. (and on the bases) (and in the field) (and at the fancy coffee shop) (and at the designer clothes outfitter) (and.......

Seriously though, he and Frazier need a mental break IMO.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:43 PM
Boy Votto sure isn't himself right now. Hope he gets it figured out here soon.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:44 PM
Reds feebly go 1-2-3 in the 7th.

50YrRedsFan
09-01-2013, 07:44 PM
And the heart of the Reds order tip toes through the 7th.

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 07:47 PM
And the heart of the Reds order tip toes through the 7th.

hey guys -- no mail today OR Monday -- please don't go mailing in this game

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:47 PM
Reds 2,3,4 & 5 hitters today.

0 for 11. 2 walks for Brandon.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 07:47 PM
Am I alone in thinking that Votto could use a day off? He really looks confused at the dish. (and on the bases) (and in the field) (and at the fancy coffee shop) (and at the designer clothes outfitter) (and.......

Seriously though, he and Frazier need a mental break IMO.

You're not alone. I commented earlier in the thread that he just looks worn down out there.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:49 PM
Dan Uggla - huh. Did not think about him at all.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:49 PM
And we're BOTH wrong. Uggla.

Redsfan08
09-01-2013, 07:49 PM
The Reds must really feel stupid for giving Votto that contract he hasnt been anythin special this season and the Reds were playing really good without him last year it could be worse I guess at least its not Pujols"

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:51 PM
The Reds must really feel stupid for giving Votto that contract he hasnt been anythin special this season and the Reds were playing really good without him last year it could be worse I guess at least its not Pujols"

Must...resist.....too..many......remarks....needed ...here.

*passes out from the strain*

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:51 PM
If it wasn't already over, it's over now.

7-2

if you think this offense has 5 runs in them I've got some nice land to sell you in Florida.

malcontent
09-01-2013, 07:52 PM
Seriously though, he and Frazier need a mental break IMO.
Frazier could probably use some R&R on the Gulf Shore in a Blue Wahoo uni.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:52 PM
If it wasn't already over, it's over now.

7-2

if you think this offense has 5 runs in them I've got some nice land to sell you in Florida.

Is it near Disney? My kids like Disney.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:52 PM
The Reds must really feel stupid for giving Votto that contract he hasnt been anythin special this season and the Reds were playing really good without him last year it could be worse I guess at least its not Pujols"
Yes, it was sheer stupidity to lock up one of the best hitters in baseball and one of the greatest Reds in decades. Curse the day that contract was signed!!!

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:54 PM
Is it near Disney? My kids like Disney.It's IN Disney.

It can be yours at the low price if 96,000$ per acre.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:54 PM
Yes, it was sheer stupidity to lock up one of the best hitters in baseball and one of the greatest Reds in decades. Curse the day that contract was signed!!!

And the Operator takes the bait. He's putting up a fight, but he's being reeled in rather quickly now. *pulled over the side of the boat and flops around* Happy now? See what you get? :p

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 07:54 PM
I do think there's some behind the scenes story that can explain why this team made no moves whatsoever to bolster their offense or bullpen. I have no idea what that story is, but making no move at all? Something weird there.

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 07:54 PM
No way the ump was calling Helton out

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:55 PM
There it is.

Single. Out at 2nd. Of course the ump sees him as being safe. Might want to look at that one again umps. No? Oh, nevermind. My bad.

GAME ON!!!!
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdx67f4Itb1qkgojuo1_400.gif

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:55 PM
Reds got jobbed again on the call at 2nd.

Since when is 2,500 hits that big of a deal? An accomplishment, yes - but it's not 3,000.

Wonderful Monds
09-01-2013, 07:55 PM
This is so lame. I'd get it if it were 3000 hits.

50YrRedsFan
09-01-2013, 07:56 PM
Partch borrowed Ondrusek's gas can from the other night.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:56 PM
And the Operator takes the bait. He's putting up a fight, but he's being reeled in rather quickly now. *pulled over the side of the boat and flops around* Happy now? See what you get? :pI just couldn't resist. It was right there for the taking. :p

Always Red
09-01-2013, 07:56 PM
What a great career; congrats to Todd Helton!

I'm ready to vote him into the Hall of Very Good right now.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:57 PM
LOL. He was soooooo out. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:58 PM
It's IN Disney.

It can be yours at the low price if 96,000$ per acre.


SOLD! Will you accept 100,000 Paul Janish rookie cards as payment?

Tornon
09-01-2013, 07:58 PM
Does anybody else think Curtis Partch looks kinda like Stephen Strasburg?

Always Red
09-01-2013, 07:59 PM
Boy Votto sure isn't himself right now. Hope he gets it figured out here soon.

Joey is shot through with more self doubt than any great hitter we've ever seen.

BCubb2003
09-01-2013, 07:59 PM
LOL. He was soooooo out. :O)

Fraud. Baseball's darkest moment.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 08:01 PM
The Reds must really feel stupid for giving Votto that contract he hasnt been anythin special this season and the Reds were playing really good without him last year it could be worse I guess at least its not Pujols"

That is perhaps the longest, most poorly constructed sentence that I have ever seen...

Always Red
09-01-2013, 08:02 PM
Reds got jobbed again on the call at 2nd.

Since when is 2,500 hits that big of a deal? An accomplishment, yes - but it's not 3,000.

Not even 100 players have ever done it. Yeah, it's kind of rare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_with_2,000_h its

Ps- I had no clue on earth that Garret Anderson had so many hits...

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 08:03 PM
That is perhaps the longest, most poorly constructed sentence that I have ever seen...

I'm kind of fond of the random quotation mark at the end.

Redsfan08
09-01-2013, 08:05 PM
Joey is shot through with more self doubt than any great hitter we've ever seen.
And that is exactly why you lock him up for 200 million"

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 08:06 PM
I'm kind of fond of the random quotation mark at the end.

"never" "can" "have" "too" "many" "of" "them" -- !!!!!

BluegrassRedleg
09-01-2013, 08:06 PM
Reds got jobbed again on the call at 2nd.

Since when is 2,500 hits that big of a deal? An accomplishment, yes - but it's not 3,000.

I think the thought is he's not going to make it that far, so try to get to that next mile marker.

One can only imagine what his numbers would look like if he stayed healthy the whole time.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 08:07 PM
Congrats to Todd Helton on a great career and reaching 2500 hits. It should have only been a single though.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 08:07 PM
I think the ump swallowed a bug.

And now he's in the clubhouse. Still think he swallowed a bug.

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 08:08 PM
The ump has had enough of this game.

Tornon
09-01-2013, 08:08 PM
He looked sick to his stomach to me

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 08:08 PM
I do think there's some behind the scenes story that can explain why this team made no moves whatsoever to bolster their offense or bullpen. I have no idea what that story is, but making no move at all? Something weird there.

I feel the same. Seems silly to suggest Walt taking an extended nap is the likely reason.

Matt700wlw
09-01-2013, 08:08 PM
Congratulations Todd Helton. 2,500 and counting.

He's had a hell of a career

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 08:08 PM
bathroom break by ump?

maybe not...

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 08:09 PM
Im so confused"

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 08:09 PM
"We're done here" - the ump

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me3vm1DRDm1qhszhwo1_500.gif

Matt700wlw
09-01-2013, 08:09 PM
I hope the ump is ok

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 08:09 PM
Changing umps now. Okay, maybe my bug theory is a tad off.

Matt700wlw
09-01-2013, 08:10 PM
bathroom break by ump?

maybe not...

When you gots to go, you've gots to go!

BCubb2003
09-01-2013, 08:10 PM
Ump wasn't looking well when he dusted off the plate.

Matt700wlw
09-01-2013, 08:11 PM
Seriously, I hope the ump is ok :(

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 08:11 PM
Congratulations Todd Helton. 2,500 and counting.

He's had a hell of a career

I forgot how good he was 00-04.


http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/heltoto01.shtml

DocRed
09-01-2013, 08:11 PM
That didn't look good.....hope it's nothing cardiac but if so glad he didn't try to be a hero and continue.

50YrRedsFan
09-01-2013, 08:11 PM
Upcoming pitchers Reds face this week: Wainwright, Wacha, Miller, Lynn, Grienke, Kershaw, and Nolasco

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 08:11 PM
I noticed earlier he had excessive water (sweat) on him the whole game. Best wishes to him.

DocRed
09-01-2013, 08:12 PM
I forgot how good he was 00-04.


http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/heltoto01.shtml

He's had a good career but Mile High has also helped him if you look at the splits.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 08:14 PM
I'm confused. How are the umps going to manage to give the game to the Rockies with only 3 of them now? :p

OldXOhio
09-01-2013, 08:14 PM
Upcoming pitchers Reds face this week: Wainwright, Wacha, Miller, Lynn, Grienke, Kershaw, and Nolasco

Should pretty much put an end to the quest for the Central. Team can get on with earning a one and done road playoff loss.

WVRedsFan
09-01-2013, 08:14 PM
After that opening day tragedy long ago, I always worry about the older umpires.

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 08:15 PM
He's had a good career but Mile High has also helped him if you look at the splits.

My bet is the humidor was put into place in 2005 considering the drop in production from Helton after that year.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 08:16 PM
After that opening day tragedy long ago, I always worry about the older umpires.

Agreed.

I'm just joking around, but I think he's fine. Just coughing and looked nauseous.

Matt700wlw
09-01-2013, 08:17 PM
Get well soon, Mr. O'Nora

DocRed
09-01-2013, 08:18 PM
Ok lets go!!

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 08:18 PM
Heisey tweeked the hammy it looks like.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 08:19 PM
Nice! Cozart with a solid poke out to right. 7-3

DocRed
09-01-2013, 08:19 PM
Swing for the fences Luddie....

Redsfan08
09-01-2013, 08:19 PM
improvement ludwick didnt swing at the first pitch

DocRed
09-01-2013, 08:21 PM
Wow that was so predictable....can't catch up to the high fastball. Next pitch down and away breaking pitch. Oh well....at least he went down swinging.

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 08:23 PM
I'm confused. How are the umps going to manage to give the game to the Rockies with only 3 of them now? :p

simple -- Reds hitters don't make contact

DocRed
09-01-2013, 08:23 PM
*sigh*

WVRedsFan
09-01-2013, 08:24 PM
Suckers for the outside curveball.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 08:26 PM
Ondrusek on the bump. Robinson in left with Heisey out.

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 08:26 PM
Ondrusek = Reds give up.

WVRedsFan
09-01-2013, 08:26 PM
Robinson in for Heisey.

Matt700wlw
09-01-2013, 08:26 PM
Derrick Robinson. I remember that guy

PuffyPig
09-01-2013, 08:26 PM
Should pretty much put an end to the quest for the Central. Team can get on with earning a one and done road playoff loss.

That's the spirit we've come to love and expect at RedsZone.

;)

50YrRedsFan
09-01-2013, 08:27 PM
The definition of futility:

Reds with 17 base runners today. 3 for 16 with RISP, and have hit into 3 DP's.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 08:27 PM
Under the radar today, but Chris Heisey was 4 for 4 today. :(

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 08:28 PM
Aroldis Chapman hasn't pitched in eight days..........

Matt700wlw
09-01-2013, 08:28 PM
Chapman hasn't pitched since last Saturday

50YrRedsFan
09-01-2013, 08:28 PM
Aroldis Chapman hasn't pitched in eight days..........

I didn't realize the Reds have played that bad.

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 08:30 PM
I didn't realize the Reds have played that bad.

I'm worried that when he does pitch, he won't be able to find the strike zone with a compass.

Matt700wlw
09-01-2013, 08:33 PM
I'm worried that when he does pitch, he won't be able to find the strike zone with a compass.

He'll be winging fastballs to my place...

Bring on the Cards! Weeee! :confetti: :toot:

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 08:34 PM
Down four runs, swinging 0-2. Need base runners.

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 08:34 PM
D-backs lost, so there's that.

BCubb2003
09-01-2013, 08:35 PM
I'm worried that when he does pitch, he won't be able to find the strike zone with a compass.

I'll bet you're right. But I wonder. If you're the bullpen coach, you have one job: To get the relievers ready when called on. You know it's been eight days. What preventive steps are you going to take? It shouldn't be such a mystery.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 08:35 PM
Joey just missed that one. Just under it a bit. Good looking swing though. (best looking swing from him in a while TBH)

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 08:38 PM
Broken bat flair for Devin. Phillips scores. 7-4.

Robinson hitting for Heisey

WVRedsFan
09-01-2013, 08:41 PM
Another lost opportunity.

50YrRedsFan
09-01-2013, 08:41 PM
Reds lose...............Face the facts.....this is just a .500 baseball team.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 08:41 PM
Robinson K's. Ballgame. :(

Matt700wlw
09-01-2013, 08:44 PM
Reds lose another series to a bad team.

Matt700wlw
09-01-2013, 08:45 PM
Reds lose...............Face the facts.....this is just a .500 baseball team.

I made that point once, with a thread and got chastised for it

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 08:45 PM
We're bad again.

kbrake
09-01-2013, 08:45 PM
Reds lose...............Face the facts.....this is just a .500 baseball team.

Except the fact they have been well over .500 all season.

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 08:46 PM
76-61 isn't .500, no matter how many times you repeat it.

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 08:47 PM
Reds lose...............Face the facts.....this is just a .500 baseball team.

And if we accept that, then what? Do we stop watching? Give up entirely on this year, and only discuss what can be done next year? Just simply keep repeating "They're only a .500 team" over and over until the season's over?

I'm seriously asking, not trying to be snarky at all.

DocRed
09-01-2013, 08:54 PM
And if we accept that, then what? Do we stop watching? Give up entirely on this year, and only discuss what can be done next year? Just simply keep repeating "They're only a .500 team" over and over until the season's over?

I'm seriously asking, not trying to be snarky at all.

Not at all, but I would rather be a team playing well going into the playoffs, ie the Dodgers than one that isn't.

Roy Tucker
09-01-2013, 08:56 PM
Hate to break the news, but this the lot of being a baseball fan

Some.good, some bad, a lot of turmoil and confusion, and equal does of hope and cynacism for tomorrow.

This is how it's been and will continue to be. So don't feign shock.

Wonderful Monds
09-01-2013, 08:56 PM
76-61 isn't .500, no matter how many times you repeat it.

I was gonna say, you may think whatever you want about the Reds, but they are factually not a .500 team, if you're bringing facts into this.

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 08:57 PM
Not at all, but I would rather be a team playing well going into the playoffs, ie the Dodgers than one that isn't.

But who wouldn't? is there anyone on this board that doesn't wish the Reds were in first place, playing perfect baseball, beating everyone?

I'm asking, what is the purpose of taking the approach of "they're not that good" and "they're a .500 team" and "they have no chance in a wildcard playoff game"?

If you believe those things, then what? Do you keep watching? Do you keep following the rest of the season? Why would you?

PepperJack
09-01-2013, 09:00 PM
Not at all, but I would rather be a team playing well going into the playoffs, ie the Dodgers than one that isn't.


I hope the Reds get on a roll too going into the playoffs. But I would hate to peak too soon, and enter the playoffs in a cold spell.

But yeah if the Reds got on a roll the would be great.

OldXOhio
09-01-2013, 09:01 PM
Not at all, but I would rather be a team playing well going into the playoffs, ie the Dodgers than one that isn't.

Yep, good thing this team expressed a sense of urgency when leaving STL.

nate
09-01-2013, 09:09 PM
Reds lose...............Face the facts.....this is just a .500 baseball team.

For that to be true, they'd have to win 5 games the rest of the way.

Since we're all about trading "facts," I have some!

Today not withstanding:



Rk Tm W L W-L% GB last10 last20 last30
1 PIT 79 56 .585 --- 5-5 9-11 16-14
2 STL 78 57 .578 1.0 6-4 12-8 16-14
3 CIN 76 60 .559 3.5 5-5 12-8 17-13


Looks pretty competitive to me.

PepperJack
09-01-2013, 09:17 PM
Also who had Greg Reynolds for best start by a Reds pitcher in Colorado. It stands out just how good he was for the team last night.

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 09:17 PM
For that to be true, they'd have to win 5 games the rest of the way.

Since we're all about trading "facts," I have some!

Today not withstanding:



Rk Tm W L W-L% GB last10 last20 last30
1 PIT 79 56 .585 --- 5-5 9-11 16-14
2 STL 78 57 .578 1.0 6-4 12-8 16-14
3 CIN 76 60 .559 3.5 5-5 12-8 17-13


Looks pretty competitive to me.
And if they win 6 and finish with 82 wins, it would be their first back to back winning seasons since 1999-2000.

KittyDuran
09-01-2013, 09:53 PM
But who wouldn't? is there anyone on this board that doesn't wish the Reds were in first place, playing perfect baseball, beating everyone?

I'm asking, what is the purpose of taking the approach of "they're not that good" and "they're a .500 team" and "they have no chance in a wildcard playoff game"?

If you believe those things, then what? Do you keep watching? Do you keep following the rest of the season? Why would you?IMHO if you keep saying "they're not that good" and "they're a .500 team" and "they have no chance in a wildcard playoff game" it helps with the disappointment and the heartbreak (if it happens). The fall to the depths of despair is not so great.

I don't think anyone on this forum has given up on this team - but seems to be a toll on your emotions to invest in them this year. Of course, it doesn't help that they're in a division with 2 other teams making a run for the post season as well - makes it seem like the Reds are a .500 team in comparison.

Ironman92
09-01-2013, 10:08 PM
people of colorado...2,500 is not the new 3,000...just saying...

It's damn impressive to go 2500 and it's rare anymore to do it all with one team. Think how special Larkin was to us....he never made it.

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 10:08 PM
IMHO if you keep saying "they're not that good" and "they're a .500 team" and "they have no chance in a wildcard playoff game" it helps with the disappointment and the heartbreak (if it happens). The fall to the depths of despair is not so great.

I don't think anyone on this forum has given up on this team - but seems to be a toll on your emotions to invest in them this year. Of course, it doesn't help that they're in a division with 2 other teams making a run for the post season as well - makes it seem like the Reds are a .500 team in comparison.

Thank you. That's a very satisfying, logical answer.

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 10:09 PM
I was gonna say, you may think whatever you want about the Reds, but they are factually not a .500 team, if you're bringing facts into this.

I can agree with your premise - but --- always a but ---
the last 2/3 of this season (allowing for a couple % of rounding) -- or the last 86 games for this team - the record is 43 - 43.

So it can be accurately stated that for much of the season they are playing as a .500 club.

It is certainly good that the Reds went 14 - 1 in May against the Cubs, Mets, Marlins & Brewers.

just my 2

Ironman92
09-01-2013, 10:09 PM
Under the radar today, but Chris Heisey was 4 for 4 today. :(

Last 5 starts 11/24 with 3 HR

PuffyPig
09-01-2013, 10:12 PM
I can agree with your premise - but --- always a but ---
the last 2/3 of this season (allowing for a couple % of rounding) -- or the last 86 games for this team - the record is 43 - 43.

So it can be accurately stated that for much of the season they are playing as a .500 club.

It is certainly good that the Reds went 14 - 1 in May against the Cubs, Mets, Marlins & Brewers.


just my 2

15 games above .500 with a run differential of +91 (5th best in baseball) is not a .500 team, anyway you cut it.

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 10:13 PM
15 games above .500 with a run differential of +91 (5th best in baseball) is not a .500 team, anyway you cut it.

not making that claim --- or did I miss something I typed?

WVRedsFan
09-01-2013, 10:14 PM
Last 5 starts 11/24 with 3 HR

And as the Reds luck would have it, probably hurt.

UPRedsFan
09-01-2013, 10:14 PM
You can look at their records in a lot of different ways. In the second half since game 82 the Reds are 30 - 26. The Cards are also 30 - 26. The Bucs are 29 - 27. Pretty competitive as someone else said.

They were one bad pitch from Hoover away from taking 2 of 3 from the Cards last week. If they take 3 of the next 4, all this talk will be over. It's time for a Votto hot streak. I feel one coming.

Ironman92
09-01-2013, 10:14 PM
Am I alone in thinking that Votto could use a day off? He really looks confused at the dish. (and on the bases) (and in the field) (and at the fancy coffee shop) (and at the designer clothes outfitter) (and.......

Seriously though, he and Frazier need a mental break IMO.

I've said for nearly 2 months that he needs 2 scheduled games off a month from June-Sept, especially without an ASB.

Ironman92
09-01-2013, 10:16 PM
And as the Reds luck would have it, probably hurt.

Doesn't matter.....they can have someone else play LF in the 9th inn this week.

PuffyPig
09-01-2013, 10:17 PM
Reds don't beat teams with good offenses. Period. They might luck into a win like last night, but Reds offense can't keep up.

Only the Cards have scored more runs than us in the NL.

UPRedsFan
09-01-2013, 10:27 PM
I've said for nearly 2 months that he needs 2 scheduled games off a month from June-Sept, especially without an ASB.

Agree. He should have taken today off. Now we have the Cards for 4. Can't sit him for any of those.

Ironman92
09-01-2013, 10:31 PM
Ok....I just got done watching the game (DVR'd)...how could any fan of baseball complain about the Helton 2500th hit celebration? Reading on here before watching I was ready for his family to come out and have some drawn out 10 min delay.

The guy is a class act former superstar that has played his entire career there. I don't see how anyone could have a problem with what was done....and being obvious he doesn't reach the next milestone makes it even more acceptable.

I think some people on here don't even like baseball.

Ironman92
09-01-2013, 10:32 PM
Agree. He should have taken today off. Now we have the Cards for 4. Can't sit him for any of those.

And then the Dodgers for 3

Tony Cloninger
09-01-2013, 10:51 PM
Ok....I just got done watching the game (DVR'd)...how could any fan of baseball complain about the Helton 2500th hit celebration? Reading on here before watching I was ready for his family to come out and have some drawn out 10 min delay.

The guy is a class act former superstar that has played his entire career there. I don't see how anyone could have a problem with what was done....and being obvious he doesn't reach the next milestone makes it even more acceptable.

I think some people on here don't even like baseball.


I am late to this party.....and Helton is a good hitter who still benefited from this spacious park....not with his power numbers, but with being in such a big park that if Ichiro hit here...he probably could have hit close to .400.

This park inflates all hitting numbers, not just power ones.

Ironman92
09-01-2013, 11:10 PM
I am late to this party.....and Helton is a good hitter who still benefited from this spacious park....not with his power numbers, but with being in such a big park that if Ichiro hit here...he probably could have hit close to .400.

This park inflates all hitting numbers, not just power ones.

Not denying any of that....The Rockies didn't do anything extra for their star that has been a huge part of their organization for over 15 years.

nate
09-01-2013, 11:27 PM
I can agree with your premise - but --- always a but ---
the last 2/3 of this season (allowing for a couple % of rounding) -- or the last 86 games for this team - the record is 43 - 43.

So it can be accurately stated that for much of the season they are playing as a .500 club.

It is certainly good that the Reds went 14 - 1 in May against the Cubs, Mets, Marlins & Brewers.

just my 2

While that can be argued, to me, it's not very persuasive argument.

It's a 162-game season. All teams play above, below and at .500 during some stretch.

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 11:55 PM
While that can be argued, to me, it's not very persuasive argument.

It's a 162-game season. All teams play above, below and at .500 during some stretch.

some truth in what you say but 86 games is a pretty good chunk of this season --- I won't disagree that one can lie with numbers but having watched almost all of their games I feel like I've watched a .500 team except for a hot streak in May against poor teams.

If others are given confidence from this - so be it --- -- and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth ---

Matt700wlw
09-02-2013, 06:36 AM
Now the Reds can't even beat bad teams.

Swell.

nate
09-02-2013, 11:47 AM
some truth in what you say but 86 games is a pretty good chunk of this season --- I won't disagree that one can lie with numbers but having watched almost all of their games I feel like I've watched a .500 team except for a hot streak in May against poor teams.

That's a feeling, not the truth. If one lives and dies with every game, then they're probably a .500 team.

The truth, they're one of the best teams in the league. It doesn't matter when you win, just that you win.

nate
09-02-2013, 11:53 AM
Now the Reds can't even beat bad teams.

Swell.

Even though they're 47-24 vs. "bad teams?"

NebraskaRed
09-02-2013, 11:54 AM
Are we still debating whether a team that is currently .555 is really a .500 team?

Red Raindog
09-02-2013, 12:21 PM
That's a feeling, not the truth. If one lives and dies with every game, then they're probably a .500 team.

The truth, they're one of the best teams in the league. It doesn't matter when you win, just that you win.

The point is valid -- for the last 2/3 of this season they are a .500 team - and yes for the entire season they are better --- I see regression -- you may not.

nate
09-02-2013, 12:31 PM
The point is valid -- for the last 2/3 of this season they are a .500 team - and yes for the entire season they are better --- I see regression -- you may not.

Again, every team is a .500 team for some arbitrary stretch.

Fortunately, they play for the 162-game season, not some arbitrary stretch.

1990 says "hi."

NebraskaRed
09-02-2013, 12:33 PM
The point is valid -- for the last 2/3 of this season they are a .500 team - and yes for the entire season they are better --- I see regression -- you may not.

Do you think they'll have a .500 record by the end of the season?

Red Raindog
09-02-2013, 01:33 PM
Do you think they'll have a .500 record by the end of the season?

Now why troll like that?

NebraskaRed
09-02-2013, 01:35 PM
Now why troll like that?

I have no idea how that's trolling. If you say they're a .500 team, wouldn't their record be .500 at the end of the season?

Red Raindog
09-02-2013, 03:00 PM
I have no idea how that's trolling. If you say they're a .500 team, wouldn't their record be .500 at the end of the season?

but I never said the bold part in the way you imply --- call it what you want.

so why go there?

NebraskaRed
09-02-2013, 04:00 PM
but I never said the bold part in the way you imply --- call it what you want.

so why go there?

You said


The point is valid -- for the last 2/3 of this season they are a .500 team - and yes for the entire season they are better --- I see regression -- you may not.

For the last 2/3 of the season they are .500 team and you see regression.

But you're not saying you think they're a .500 team?

Red Raindog
09-02-2013, 04:20 PM
You said



For the last 2/3 of the season they are .500 team and you see regression.

But you're not saying you think they're a .500 team?

sorry -- I don't think I can make you see the light of day