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Kc61
09-01-2013, 02:46 PM
Let me try my luck at starting a game thread. Good luck Reds today as September begins.

Choo-8
Phillips-4
Votto-3
Bruce-9
Mesoraco-2
Heisey-7
Hannahan-5
Cozart-6
Leake-1

For those who want Mesoraco in the middle of the order, today is your day. FWIW, seems like a fair decision to let Heisey play for Ludwick today, and to let Hannahan give Frazier a day off.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 03:13 PM
Have I ever mentioned that I really like having Bruce in the cleanup spot?

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 03:21 PM
John Fay ‏@johnfayman 3m
Marshall threw 25 pitches in a bullpen session. "Very encouraging. Threw a lot of strikes." #reds @Cincienquirer

Red in Chicago
09-01-2013, 03:56 PM
was he throwing with massett:laugh:

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 03:59 PM
Good news is Frazier gets a day off. Bad news is Hannahan is all we have to replace him. Good news is Jack's been hitting better of late. Better news is Cozart's been hot. I like this lineup.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 04:02 PM
Cards beating the Pirates 5-0 in 4th. Much as I hate the Cards this might be the best outcome for the Reds combined with a win today.

Kc61
09-01-2013, 04:12 PM
Cards beating the Pirates 5-0 in 4th. Much as I hate the Cards this might be the best outcome for the Reds combined with a win today.

IMO, the Cards-Pirates series has gone well for the Reds. It's good the Pirates won the series because looking forward they have the toughest schedule, lots of road games.

But of course, at this point, it's really in the Reds' hands. If they get hot and win a bunch of games they will either win the division or be a home wild card. If they play medium, they will be a road wild card. If they mostly lose, they can still be caught for the last wild card spot if DBacks get hot.

You have to give the Pirates credit though, they played the Cards tough down the stretch. They certainly haven't fallen apart to date.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:04 PM
That lineup is....unusual. I kinda like it.

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 05:12 PM
Choo singles up the middle.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:12 PM
Good start. 1 up, 1 on.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:16 PM
Steal 17 for Choo

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 05:16 PM
Choo swipes 2nd with the help of a poor throw.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:16 PM
SB for Choo. I really wish he would get a stop sign. I can't remember the last time I've seen Choo beat the throw.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:16 PM
Phillips walks. 1st and 2nd.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:16 PM
Choo chugs to 2nd. Throw beat him, ball pops out. safe.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:16 PM
bb for bphil.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:17 PM
BP walks.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:17 PM
take that OBP C Trent!

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 05:18 PM
Wait a minute. We don't pay BP to walk.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:18 PM
That was hit so slowly it is hard to believe they turned a DP on that.

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 05:18 PM
Didn't have a good feeling there after Joey got beat by a fastball. DP.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:18 PM
Come ON Joey! Jeez! Where's the hustle. No way in the world he should've been out there. :thumbdown:

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:18 PM
DP. 4-6-3. Choo on to third

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:19 PM
That was a disappointing inning as Bruce grounds out.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:19 PM
Yall underestimate how slow Joey is.

Billy Hamilton's Legs
09-01-2013, 05:19 PM
that inning turned around quicky. three pitches; three outs.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:19 PM
Bruce ground out. 0-0

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:19 PM
Ground out, no score. *sigh* I love me some Votto....but he's really slow to first. Hopefully I'm wrong, but it looks like a lack of effort. He's not THAT slow.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:20 PM
seems like JV has lost a full step since his knee injury

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 05:20 PM
Votto just looks worn down to me.

Billy Hamilton's Legs
09-01-2013, 05:20 PM
also, I think it has become clear that nobody on the Reds current roster should be stealing bases. D-rob and hamilton when they get back, but we sure do lack speed in the starting 8.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:21 PM
Ground out, no score. *sigh* I love me some Votto....but he's really slow to first. Hopefully I'm wrong, but it looks like a lack of effort. He's not THAT slow.

I dunno. It's taking off that he seems slow as a tortoise. He is just so slow getting out of the box since his surgery. Once he gets going he is okay but he seems to take forever toget to speed

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:22 PM
seems like JV has lost a full step since his knee injury

I don't doubt that Jake. But just watch him run. You can see the lack of effort. Maybe he's afraid to push himself. Certainly understandable, but I haven't seen him really push himself running in a LONG while.

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 05:22 PM
Hope Leake has the good stuff today. His contact friendly style in Coors is scary, Helton could be licking his chops after what he did to Bronson.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:23 PM
Come on Mike...really need masterful Mike tonight...

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:23 PM
Not a good start Bruce lost a fly ball and Dickerson gets a gift double

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:24 PM
Well, that's not the best of starts. Bruce never saw it.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 05:24 PM
I dunno. It's taking off that he seems slow as a tortoise. He is just so slow getting out of the box since his surgery. Once he gets going he is okay but he seems to take forever toget to speed

I tend to agree. And since the leg he is pushing off of to get out of the box is the one he injured, it's a reasonable assumption.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:24 PM
Oh for crying out loud

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:24 PM
Wow. Bruce follows that up with a great catch on the track.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:24 PM
Jay makes up for it right there. Heck of a grab!

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 05:25 PM
No more of those, Leake.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 05:26 PM
LOL Bruce knocked over the drink cooler and cups in the Rockies BP.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:26 PM
Now Bruce makes a fine catch to somewhat atone

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:27 PM
Tulowitzki strikes out swinging

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:28 PM
Of opposing players this is one of the guys I most admire...but please don't give me any thing to grudgingly admire here Tulo

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:28 PM
thank you

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 05:28 PM
Yep, this one isn't going to be easy.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:28 PM
Cuddyer doubles to left. 1-0 Rockies

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:28 PM
Gift run. :(

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:29 PM
Helton fouls out to left. 1-0 Rockies after 1.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:29 PM
1-0 after 1 full. Should've been a 1-2-3 inning for Mike. Tough break.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:29 PM
Can't give these guys an extra out in their own park especially.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 05:32 PM
We really should have skipped Arroyo and Leake here in Colorado (unrealistic I know). Their style of pitching is just not a good fit for this park.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:33 PM
Mesoraco flies out to center.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:33 PM
Ground ball with eyes! Heisey single to right.

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 05:35 PM
Prediction: Hannahan hits his first HR as a Red today.

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 05:35 PM
haha wow Hannahan is slow

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:35 PM
Hannahan out on a 4-6-3 ground out as Heisey beats the throw to 2nd

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:37 PM
haha wow Hannahan is slow

Worst team speed in the majors I'm thinking.

Tom Servo
09-01-2013, 05:39 PM
Welp, this is quickly feeling like a let-down game.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:39 PM
No doubter.

On the plus side, I like our chances to put up a bunch of runs too.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:40 PM
Arenado homers to left. 2-0 Rockies

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 05:41 PM
Leake was due for this. Offense and Dusty has to help.

kbrake
09-01-2013, 05:41 PM
Love Mike Leake in this rotation but I'd being lying if I said I was excited about having him in the postseason rotation.

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 05:42 PM
Love Mike Leake in this rotation but I'd being lying if I said I was excited about having him in the postseason rotation.

He has no business in a playoff rotation, assuming one of Cingrani/Cueto is healthy.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:42 PM
good game-bad game-good game-bad game ain't gonna get it done guys

Billy Hamilton's Legs
09-01-2013, 05:42 PM
Love Mike Leake in this rotation but I'd being lying if I said I was excited about having him in the postseason rotation.

Unlikely, but maybe Cueto to the rescue? they haven't ruled it out yet

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:43 PM
Pretty pitch!

mth123
09-01-2013, 05:43 PM
Leake was due for this. Offense and Dusty has to help.

Due? His last three starts he's given up 13 ER in 17 and a third. He's due for a good start.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:44 PM
Torrealba strikes out looking.
Blackmon grounds out to 3rd

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:45 PM
Chatwood strikes out swinging. 3 Ks. 2-0 Rockies after 2.

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 05:47 PM
Due? His last three starts he's given up 13 ER in 17 and a third. He's due for a good start.

I didn't mean this game. I meant the hard fall he's been on. He pitched way over his head for far too long and is now spiraling back.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:48 PM
Leake lines a single off Chatwood's bare hand.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 05:48 PM
Ouch

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:49 PM
Not smart for a pitcher to try to grab a line drive bare handed

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 05:51 PM
Not smart for a pitcher to try to grab a line drive bare handed

It's instinct. They don't really have time to think it over.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:52 PM
Choo!!! :jump: Tie ballgame!

Red in Chicago
09-01-2013, 05:52 PM
choo scores two

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:52 PM
Choo homers to right!!! Tie game

tomnuetten
09-01-2013, 05:52 PM
choooooo :beerme:

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 05:52 PM
Choooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo!

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 05:52 PM
Chooooooooooo!

Billy Hamilton's Legs
09-01-2013, 05:53 PM
leake's bat pays some dividends there.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:53 PM
they need to hit every pitcher on the fingers. hire a guy with a hammer

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 05:54 PM
Chatwood suddenly not pitching so well after getting hit on the fingers.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:54 PM
Brandon with his 2nd walk today

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:54 PM
Brandon #2 Phillips. An on base ma-CHINE!

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 05:55 PM
Two walks for Phillips? Wow.

mth123
09-01-2013, 05:55 PM
they need to hit every pitcher on the fingers. hire a guy with a hammer

Jeff Gillooly for bench coach.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:56 PM
Jeff Gillooly for bench coach.

See, I was thinking Tonya Harding. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:56 PM
Joey needs to start taking it easy on his knee. Home run trots are pretty low impact. :O)

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 05:57 PM
BP to CTR " How do you like my OBP now?!"

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 05:57 PM
Be a good time to get Joey going again.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:57 PM
Votto walks. 1st and 2nd.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:57 PM
Cards won 7-2 btw.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 05:58 PM
That is it for Chatwood

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:58 PM
BP to CTR " How do you like my OBP now?!"

It's been ridiculous since their dustup...maybe C Trent needs to get BP riled up a couple times a year

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 05:59 PM
Chatwood done. Flexing his hand a bit. It wouldn't surprise me if his hand was tingling or going numb. I've done what he did before.

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 05:59 PM
Man, you gotta feel sorry for Chatwood.

I mean, not too sorry...

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 05:59 PM
Man, you gotta feel sorry for Chatwood.

I mean, not too sorry...

I hope he's not hurt seriously...that's as "not sorry" as I feel

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 06:01 PM
Win today and the Reds are 2.5 back!

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:02 PM
Adam Ottavino in to pitch

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:03 PM
Bruce pops out to short

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:05 PM
Tulo gets Brandon at 3rd. 6-5 FC.

Norm Chortleton
09-01-2013, 06:07 PM
TOOTBLAN

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 06:07 PM
This team's base running is laughable.

Crumbley
09-01-2013, 06:07 PM
More of this

Chip R
09-01-2013, 06:07 PM
The hell?

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 06:07 PM
OMG. Really!?! Joey with the brain fart. What was he thinking.

Grounder up the middle, Heisey easily beats it out. For some unknown reason, Joey decides to try for home TOO. Out by a mile.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:08 PM
Awful baserunning. Heisey reaches on an infield hit. Votto attempts to score and is out by a mile.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 06:08 PM
*hangs head*

Red in Chicago
09-01-2013, 06:08 PM
ridiculous

SirFelixCat
09-01-2013, 06:08 PM
WTF re: Joey on that play? Cowboy said he was just jogging home and tagged out easily?!?

mbgrayson
09-01-2013, 06:08 PM
They have GOT to get their heads in the game...

Stray
09-01-2013, 06:08 PM
Haha

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 06:09 PM
Honestly, there is no accountability on this team. This stuff happens all the time.

max venable
09-01-2013, 06:09 PM
Votto is killing us today

BluegrassRedleg
09-01-2013, 06:09 PM
Votto's TOOBLANmetrics look like they're in a contract year,

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 06:09 PM
Honestly, there is no accountability on this team. This stuff happens all the time.

How is there no accountability?

Norm Chortleton
09-01-2013, 06:09 PM
And ran a stop sign to do it.

Roy Tucker
09-01-2013, 06:10 PM
Votto runs right through a big stop.

Stupid.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 06:10 PM
<shaking head>

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 06:10 PM
Mark Berry.....he did put up the stop sign. That's all on Votto. Just a really poor decision.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:10 PM
Votto's head just seems somewhere else sometimes this year

RollyInRaleigh
09-01-2013, 06:10 PM
I like Joey Votto but he needs to get it together.

mbgrayson
09-01-2013, 06:10 PM
Bouncer up the middle, Votto rounds third, and is out jogging home. He ran right thru Berry's clear stop sign.

Chip R
09-01-2013, 06:11 PM
Mark Berry.....he did put up the stop sign. That's all on Votto. Just a really poor decision.

Votto wasn't even looking at Berry. :confused:

RedsBrick
09-01-2013, 06:11 PM
Really hard to defend that guy sometimes. That's just bad baseball.

Crumbley
09-01-2013, 06:11 PM
Quarter billion

max venable
09-01-2013, 06:11 PM
Votto's head just seems somewhere else sometimes this year And he gets paid too much $$ to allow that to happen.

SirFelixCat
09-01-2013, 06:11 PM
NM

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:12 PM
Dickerson walks

757690
09-01-2013, 06:12 PM
So the Reds need to hire someone to tell Joey needs how many outs there are, and now to tell him to look at the thirdbase coach before every play.

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 06:12 PM
How is there no accountability?

Has it gotten better? Either Dusty has no punishment for these guys or they are that bad, I fail to believe that. This team needs someone who will hold players accountable for their repeated poor fundamentals.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:12 PM
6-4-3 DP. Phillips with a bare handed turn.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 06:13 PM
One of these times, that's going to burn Brandon. Barehanded turn on the DP. He's really good with the fundamentals defensively on most things...but not that.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 06:13 PM
You try to pick a rookie or sophomore player's pocket, not a borderline Hall of Famer known for headsy play

George Foster
09-01-2013, 06:13 PM
And he gets paid too much $$ to allow that to happen.

Aprox. $1,850,000 a month...

Needs to set the rest of the game...that would send a message. We would not be missing his bat.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:14 PM
Tulowitzki pops out to 2nd. 2-2 after 3.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 06:14 PM
And he gets paid too much $$ to allow that to happen.

So it's not stupid baseball for someone making the league minimum too? Um okay.

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 06:14 PM
Serious question -- is there anyone here that thinks this is a good base running team?

myself -- I'm having doubts about some IQ's

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 06:14 PM
NM

And he wasn't jogging. I'm fine with it. A Hustle play that didn't work out and ends up looking like a stupid play. It's on Votto but it's not as bad as it's being made out to be.

Roy Tucker
09-01-2013, 06:15 PM
Sit Votto in the middle of a down to the wire pennant chase?

Sorry, no.

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 06:15 PM
WTF re: Joey on that play? Cowboy said he was just jogging home and tagged out easily?!?

that's what I saw on my phone.... just horrible base ball

reds1869
09-01-2013, 06:15 PM
Aprox. $1,850,000 a month...

Needs to set the rest of the game...that would send a message. We would not be missing his bat.

Sure we wouldn't. Joey makes some blunders, but he is still the best hitter on the team, even when he is slumping.

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 06:15 PM
When Votto stops being the best player on this team (the one who is indeed contributing the most), then we can talk about how awful he is.

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 06:16 PM
And he wasn't jogging. I'm fine with it. A Hustle play that didn't work out and ends up looking like a stupid play. It's on Votto but it's not as bad as it's being made out to be.

blowing off a stop sign?

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:17 PM
Hannahan singles to right

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 06:17 PM
Hannahan with the poke to right. Leadoff single.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 06:17 PM
wow...my feed is literally like 3 or 4 minutes behind you guys...just now showing the DP

George Foster
09-01-2013, 06:17 PM
And he wasn't jogging. I'm fine with it. A Hustle play that didn't work out and ends up looking like a stupid play. It's on Votto but it's not as bad as it's being made out to be.

If it was a bang-bang play your right. The catcher was standing up waiting for him..he was out by 10-12 yards....it was a very bad decision considering the 3rd base coach was holding him.

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 06:18 PM
blowing off a stop sign?

Yeah I've never seen that happen before. Would you listen to Mark Berry?

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 06:18 PM
When Votto stops being the best player on this team (the one who is indeed contributing the most), then we can talk about how awful he is.

HE'S a great player, this team as a whole flat out sucks at running the bases, Votto included. It's past time this wasn't addressed.

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 06:18 PM
wow...my feed is literally like 3 or 4 minutes behind you guys...just now showing the DP

Using MLB TV? It can do that sometimes, especially if you're streaming it through something like a Roku box.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:18 PM
Cozart lines out to center.

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 06:18 PM
If it was a bang-bang play your right. The catcher was standing up waiting for him..he was out by 10-12 yards....it was a very bad decision considering the 3rd base coach was holding him.

And that's why it ended up looking like a stupid play.

RedsBrick
09-01-2013, 06:18 PM
And he wasn't jogging. I'm fine with it. A Hustle play that didn't work out and ends up looking like a stupid play. It's on Votto but it's not as bad as it's being made out to be.

The problem I have with this is I don't see it as a hustle play. There's no way Votto knew where that ball ended up because it was behind him. It looks like he assumed the ball made it through to centerfield....it didn't. The 3rd base coach knew it didn't and threw up the stop sign which Votto chose to ignore.

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 06:19 PM
Yeah I've never seen that happen before. Would you listen to Mark Berry?

How did it turn out? You are the one saying it wasn't that bad.

Roy Tucker
09-01-2013, 06:20 PM
When this team pitchees well, plays good defense, and doesn't run itself into outs, I'll take those odds.

But golly, they really need to cut out the blatant dumb errors.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 06:20 PM
Leake....poor bunter. Let him swing!

And with that, he pops up the bunt and Jack is doubled off first. *sigh*

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:20 PM
Leake pop bunts into a 1-3 DP.

Stray
09-01-2013, 06:20 PM
we're finding all kinds of ways to make outs today

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 06:20 PM
Yeah, was not a fan of Leake bunting there.

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 06:21 PM
And that's why it ended up looking like a stupid play.

sometimes it looks like a stupid play because -- wait for it -- it IS a stupid play.

malcontent
09-01-2013, 06:21 PM
Leake could be hitting .450 and Einstein would still take the bat out of his hands.

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 06:21 PM
The problem I have with this is I don't see it as a hustle play. There's no way Votto knew where that ball ended up because it was behind him. It looks like he assumed the ball made it through to centerfield....it didn't. The 3rd base coach knew it didn't and threw up the stop sign which Votto chose to ignore.

I would argue that he knew where the ball was then he knew Berry was throwing up the stop sign. He wasn't even looking at Berry(maybe the problem) and looked more to be looking toward 1B.

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 06:22 PM
I see the play as dumb aggressiveness - as opposed to smart aggressiveness. If you overrun a coach's clear stop sign you better be right.

WVRedsFan
09-01-2013, 06:22 PM
I've about decided that this team is so poorly ran that they don't deservea payoff spot. The base running errors, the lack of trying to improve the club while their two rivals do, and the horrendous personnel problems leave me with that feeling.

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 06:23 PM
I would argue that he knew where the ball was then he knew Berry was throwing up the stop sign. He wasn't even looking at Berry(maybe the problem) and looked more to be looking toward 1B.

when you find yourself in a hole -- quit digging ---

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 06:23 PM
Considering how poorly we're playing today (in terms of hustle & brain farts), still a tie ballgame and we're in the Rockies pen. Pull a few heads out of some butts and we'll win this baby.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:24 PM
Cuddyer singles to center

RedlegJake
09-01-2013, 06:24 PM
It seems as if they are trying too hard to make something happen

max venable
09-01-2013, 06:24 PM
Yeah, was not a fan of Leake bunting there.

But Dusty knows that's what pitcher are REQUIRED to do in that situation.:bang:

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 06:24 PM
I've about decided that this team is so poorly ran that they don't deservea payoff spot. The base running errors, the lack of trying to improve the club while their two rivals do, and the horrendous personnel problems leave me with that feeling.

And yet, as of right now, we're in the playoffs despite all of that...

max venable
09-01-2013, 06:25 PM
Considering how poorly we're playing today (in terms of hustle & brain farts), still a tie ballgame and we're in the Rockies pen. Pull a few heads out of some butts and we'll win this baby.

Problem is, the Reds do the same kind of stuff vs. the Cardinals.

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 06:25 PM
I've about decided that this team is so poorly ran that they don't deservea payoff spot. The base running errors, the lack of trying to improve the club while their two rivals do, and the horrendous personnel problems leave me with that feeling.

Really?

Norm Chortleton
09-01-2013, 06:26 PM
The problem I have with this is I don't see it as a hustle play. There's no way Votto knew where that ball ended up because it was behind him. It looks like he assumed the ball made it through to centerfield....it didn't. The 3rd base coach knew it didn't and threw up the stop sign which Votto chose to ignore.

Votto definitely knew where the ball was. The replay shows that he rounded the bag and clearly watched the ball being thrown to Helton at first and still went anyway.

Kc61
09-01-2013, 06:26 PM
It would seem that this Rockies reliever would have more trouble with lefties. He throws a nasty slider and the righties are struggling with it.

So Votto really should have let Hannahan hit there, rather than going for the aggressive play at home.

And Jack did get a single next inning.

I'm glad the Reds want to be aggressive on the bases. The problem is that they are slow. So they usually run into outs. Teams with speed are better situated for those kinds of plays.

RedsBrick
09-01-2013, 06:27 PM
I would argue that he knew where the ball was then he knew Berry was throwing up the stop sign. He wasn't even looking at Berry(maybe the problem) and looked more to be looking toward 1B.

Even if he did know where the ball was, he ain't fast enough to blow through anyone's stop sign.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 06:27 PM
Come on Mike. Pull the string.

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 06:27 PM
when you find yourself in a hole -- quit digging ---

I think people jumping all over Joey is pretty bad. If I'm in a hole for defending him just a bit then so be it.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 06:28 PM
Thought that was a punch 'em out, throw 'em out

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:28 PM
Helton strikes out swinging. Cuddyer steals 2nd.

Roy Tucker
09-01-2013, 06:28 PM
C'mon Dusty, get out there

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:28 PM
That did look like batter's interference

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 06:29 PM
worn out from that burst of speed last night?

Kc61
09-01-2013, 06:29 PM
Helton getting a deferential, potential hall of fame, call at home. In my book, he interfered with Mes which gave the Rocks a stolen base.

Helton's body was all over home plate there. Mes had to change his body position to avoid Helton.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:29 PM
Bruce with another good running catch

max venable
09-01-2013, 06:29 PM
Helton got in Mes's way on that throw to second. Dude was clearly outside of the batter's box. Did not touch Mes but definitely interfered.

Red Raindog
09-01-2013, 06:30 PM
I think people jumping all over Joey is pretty bad. If I'm in a hole for defending him just a bit then so be it.

defend him when he deserves it -- I'll be right beside you.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:30 PM
Torrealba grounds out to Leake. 2-2 after 4.

757690
09-01-2013, 06:32 PM
Todd Helton channelling his inner Ed Armbruster.

Roy Tucker
09-01-2013, 06:34 PM
There is a smart aggressive base running play.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:34 PM
Good hustle by Choo on a double. A triple away from the cycle for Choo

RedsBrick
09-01-2013, 06:34 PM
Atta boy, Choo. Let's get him around!

Red in Chicago
09-01-2013, 06:34 PM
choo with a nice double

Kc61
09-01-2013, 06:34 PM
Choo in this series has been absolutely superb. He is quite a ballplayer. Walt made a great deal to acquire him, too bad he hasn't had more support this year.

BP bluffs a bunt. Don't see why Reds would use a bunt here.

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 06:35 PM
defend him when he deserves it -- I'll be right beside you.

I didn't say it was a great play. Just that the reaction here was a little over the top. People act like he spit in Berry's face while rounding third then trotted home and thanked the catcher for tagging him out so nicely. I admit it was a bad play but Joey is trying very hard. Sorry if you don't see that.

Billy Hamilton's Legs
09-01-2013, 06:35 PM
why is BP bunting?

max venable
09-01-2013, 06:36 PM
Official word from Reds: The whole play with Votto running through the stop sign was designed to be a rope-a-dope. Berry threw up the stop sign as a DECOY and JV was trying to quietly tip-toe to home plate undetected. Unfortunately, Helton alertly sniffed it out.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:36 PM
Phillips flies out to center

Kc61
09-01-2013, 06:37 PM
I didn't say it was a great play. Just that the reaction here was a little over the top. People act like he spit in Berry's face while rounding third then trotted home and thanked the catcher for tagging him out so nicely. I admit it was a bad play but Joey is trying very hard. Sorry if you don't see that.

Maybe he is trying too hard. That running play was pretty ill-advised.

At the bat, it would be interesting to track Joey's hit chart. Just wonder if he is trying to pull the ball now, hit for more power.

Joey was pretty effective mostly going to left field, but maybe he's trying to drive the ball more now.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:38 PM
Votto grounds out to 2nd. Choo to 3rd

Kc61
09-01-2013, 06:38 PM
Another grounder to second. Joey needs to get that left field swing back. Two outs.

xsteve1
09-01-2013, 06:38 PM
Wish BP would've bunted.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 06:38 PM
IBB to Jay. Come on Devin. Make 'em PAY!

max venable
09-01-2013, 06:38 PM
and the reds advance the baserunner one out too late

Kc61
09-01-2013, 06:39 PM
Wish BP would've bunted.

Nothing prevented him from hitting a grounder to second and moving the runner over.

RedsBrick
09-01-2013, 06:39 PM
Lightning in a bottle right here, Mez!

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 06:40 PM
Maybe he is trying too hard. That running play was pretty ill-advised.

At the bat, it would be interesting to track Joey's hit chart. Just wonder if he is trying to pull the ball now, hit for more power.

Joey was pretty effective mostly going to left field, but maybe he's trying to drive the ball more now.

I agree completely. I was wondering the other day if Votto doesn't miss Rolen's presence and leadership more then anyone.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:40 PM
Good play by Arenado ends the inning. 2-2 mid 5th

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 06:40 PM
Dang. Heck of a play to get Devin out. That was a beauty. :(

RedsBrick
09-01-2013, 06:41 PM
Can't deny it....that was a nice play!

Kc61
09-01-2013, 06:44 PM
Can't deny it....that was a nice play!

Nice play but so far Mes' day in the middle of the lineup is 0 for 3 with four men left on base. Would have preferred a line drive to a squib in that at bat.

UPRedsFan
09-01-2013, 06:45 PM
Has Jacoby ever told a Reds hitter to stay back and go the other way? That pitch to Mes was up and should have been punched into right field.

xsteve1
09-01-2013, 06:47 PM
2 on now. Uh Oh.

Kc61
09-01-2013, 06:48 PM
DBacks down 5-1 to the Giants today so hopefully Reds will be ok in the wild card race after this one, whichever way it goes.

Rockies threatening. Wonder if one of their baserunners will just run into an easy out to bail out the Reds.

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 06:49 PM
Has Jacoby ever told a Reds hitter to stay back and go the other way? That pitch to Mes was up and should have been punched into right field.

I'm surprised Jacoby doesn't take more heat around here. I think it's mostly because people pretty much assumes the Reds approach at the plate comes from Dusty.

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 06:50 PM
Brian O'Nora the HP Umpire has wet himself or so it appears.

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:51 PM
Double to right center makes it 4-2 Rockies

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 06:51 PM
Crud. 4-2 Rockies.

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 06:51 PM
Another bad start for Mike Leake.

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 06:52 PM
Get Leake out before it's over.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 06:52 PM
Yikes. :(

miamiredskin
09-01-2013, 06:53 PM
regression to the mean...

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 06:54 PM
Another bad start for Mike Leake.

Disagree. He's had some bad luck today. Some seeing eye grounders, that lost pop up by Bruce, the offense running itself out of innings.

The double may have rattled him a bit though.

max venable
09-01-2013, 06:54 PM
Remember the good ol' days when Mike Leake was really, really good?

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 06:55 PM
Why would you allow him to face Cuddeyer?

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 06:55 PM
Cuddeyer has him dialed in though. Cuddeyer's pummeled every pitch today.

xsteve1
09-01-2013, 06:55 PM
Leake in Colorado just a recipe for disaster.

Larkin Fan
09-01-2013, 06:55 PM
Really bad move to leave him in for Cuddyer.

max venable
09-01-2013, 06:55 PM
Disagree. He's had some bad luck today. Some seeing eye grounders, that lost pop up by Bruce, the offense running itself out of innings.

The double may have rattled him a bit though.

How 'bout now?

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 06:56 PM
Make it 5-2 on a Cuddyer double

Red in Chicago
09-01-2013, 06:56 PM
Remember the good ol' days when Mike Leake was really, really good?

remember when people wanted to start him in a one game playoff

CrackerJack
09-01-2013, 06:56 PM
Didn't Leake drop-off like this at the end of last season also?

WVRedsFan
09-01-2013, 06:57 PM
Didn't Leake drop-off like this at the end of last season also?

I seem to remember that

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 06:57 PM
How 'bout now?

I didn't like leaving him in for Cuddeyer. He's been all over everything Mike's thrown today. And as I said, that 2 run double seemed to rattle him. Before that, he'd had some crummy luck.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 06:57 PM
It has not been fun watching the law of averages catch up to Leake.

Can we put to rest the idea that he suddenly turned into a sub-3.00 ERA ace?

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 06:58 PM
Disagree. He's had some bad luck today. Some seeing eye grounders, that lost pop up by Bruce, the offense running itself out of innings.

The double may have rattled him a bit though.

He got lit up, period.

Red in Chicago
09-01-2013, 06:59 PM
people of colorado...2,500 is not the new 3,000...just saying...

NebraskaRed
09-01-2013, 06:59 PM
Colorado fans don't seem to understand why the Reds won't give Helton a chance to get a hit.

redsfaninbsg
09-01-2013, 07:00 PM
I didn't like leaving him in for Cuddeyer. He's been all over everything Mike's thrown today. And as I said, that 2 run double seemed to rattle him. Before that, he'd had some crummy luck.

Was it crummy luck when Bruce crashed into the wall to save a double, or the no-doubt HR or the walks, etc.?

xsteve1
09-01-2013, 07:00 PM
Surprised the Rockies have such a bad record. They got a lot of good hitters in that lineup.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:00 PM
Colorado fans don't seem to understand why the Reds won't give Helton a chance to get a hit.The blonde girl acted like she was witnessing the first intentional walk in history. She was totally dumbfounded.

Must've missed the Rox walking Bruce last inning.

_Sir_Charles_
09-01-2013, 07:01 PM
He got lit up, period.

Come on. Cuddeyer lit him up, yes. Outside of him, there were only a few hits. The dinger and that double from LeMaiheu.

Captain Hook
09-01-2013, 07:01 PM
Surprised the Rockies have such a bad record. They got a lot of good hitters in that lineup.

They're as good as anyone at home.

The Operator
09-01-2013, 07:01 PM
6-2 on a sac fly

Reds Fanatic
09-01-2013, 07:01 PM
6-2 Rockies on a sac fly to left

DocRed
09-01-2013, 07:01 PM
Leake has been terrible over the last month..