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PepperJack
09-05-2013, 04:37 PM
Reds:

Choo
Phillips
Votto
Bruce
Ludwick
Frazier
Cozart
Hanigan
Cingrani



It would appear no rest for the wary(Votto), and that Hanigan is back to the 3 in a 3/2 split.

RedsBrick
09-05-2013, 04:40 PM
Dear Tony,

The bullpen called and they requested a complete game...and if you wanted to throw in a shutout they, as well as all of us, wouldn't mind that either!

Thanks for your help!

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 04:41 PM
Go Reds!

PepperJack
09-05-2013, 04:49 PM
Or maybe what they say about what happens when you assume something is true:

https://twitter.com/johnfayman


Mesoraco is dealing with a slight hamstring strain. Is available. #reds @Cincienquirer

OesterPoster
09-05-2013, 05:06 PM
And maybe that explains why Mez didn't hit for Corky last night, instead using Soto. I thought that was odd at the time.

NebraskaRed
09-05-2013, 05:24 PM
And maybe that explains why Mez didn't hit for Corky last night, instead using Soto. I thought that was odd at the time.

I was thinking the same thing. Hopefully it really is a "slight" strain and not something more serious.

Trajinous
09-05-2013, 05:49 PM
I have a bad feeling about this game. History and logic point to the Reds squandering a great opportunity and we all leave saying well 2-2 didn't hurt us....

Man, I hope Cingrani proves me wrong.

Kc61
09-05-2013, 06:14 PM
An injury to Mesoraco may explain a few things. His offense has been very poor over the last month. Hanigan, without power, has picked things up a bit.

New York Red
09-05-2013, 06:42 PM
Cingrani has already proven he can rise to the occasion in clutch situations, and I think he delivers tonight too. I just hope we give him some run support.

757690
09-05-2013, 07:20 PM
And maybe that explains why Mez didn't hit for Corky last night, instead using Soto. I thought that was odd at the time.

Most of the time, moves like that that don't make sense, make sense when you know all the facts.

Ironman92
09-05-2013, 07:56 PM
Seated $13 tickets from July 4th rainout.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/06/rebu3yhu.jpg

klw
09-05-2013, 08:01 PM
Seated $13 tickets from July 4th rainout.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/06/rebu3yhu.jpg

Why is Votto sitting in the stands? Shouldn't he be warming up or taking bunting practice or stretching?

PepperJack
09-05-2013, 08:09 PM
I hope Ironman92 gets a ball from a Reds player tonight during an inning. With those seats the best bet would be Bruce.

Ironman92
09-05-2013, 08:11 PM
I hope Ironman92 gets a ball from a Reds player tonight during an inning. With those seats the best bet would be Bruce.

Choo

BluegrassRedleg
09-05-2013, 08:12 PM
WLW broadcast begins with "Cingrani hasn't given up more than 2-3 runs in most of his starts, and Lance Lynn is struggling royally."

That makes me terribly nervous, in a weird kind of way.

BluegrassRedleg
09-05-2013, 08:13 PM
Why is Votto sitting in the stands? Shouldn't he be warming up or taking bunting practice or stretching?

Notice that he's distracted. ;)

PepperJack
09-05-2013, 08:15 PM
Choo

Either or both would be fine by me.:D

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:15 PM
With full realization that noone should give a s++t about two requests I'd make:

1. This is a seriously big boy kind of game. Can we be big boys, with big bats, and win this? The follow on reverberations could be kind of significant as we prepare to hold our own versus LA and then bulldoze the laggard teams.

2. JV, can you be tonight's hero? I, and undoubtedly many others, would really, really appreciate that. That 0 for 7 is forgiven and forgotten. Win this for us, ok?

Tony with two nice first outs.

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:17 PM
I have a bad feeling about this game. History and logic point to the Reds squandering a great opportunity and we all leave saying well 2-2 didn't hurt us....

Man, I hope Cingrani proves me wrong.

No. No! No!!! Don't say thaaaat! We've won two of three. We can win three of four. There, I feel better now. Thanks. ;)

Red in Chicago
09-05-2013, 08:24 PM
joey sees first base (as an offensive player) :thumbup:

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:26 PM
JV works the count full and takes the BB. We're already making serious progress relative to last night.

And, quoting the broadcast team quoting Matheny on last night's game, "That might have been the biggest win of the year."

To that, I say f++k Matheny. Tonight's going to be their biggest loss of the year. Please?

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:27 PM
Oh yeah! Two BBs. Make us proud, Luddy!

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 08:29 PM
Sacks juiced for Frazier.

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 08:29 PM
why does Todd have a bat with him for the first pitch?

or the 2nd?

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:30 PM
Wow, bases loaded on walks. Frazier of yore?

klw
09-05-2013, 08:31 PM
3 straight walks and Todd swings at the first pitch?????????????

http://i.imgur.com/J7BMq.gif

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 08:31 PM
Frazier K's.

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 08:31 PM
3 straight walks and Todd swings at the first pitch?????????????

you expected high IQ baseball?

RedsBrick
09-05-2013, 08:32 PM
Worse...he struck out on ball 2

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:32 PM
I have a bad feeling about this game. History and logic point to the Reds squandering a great opportunity and we all leave saying well 2-2 didn't hurt us....

Man, I hope Cingrani proves me wrong.

Man, that's not a good start. C'mon Frazier! Terrrible AB. Need JV and JB to come alive in this one if we're going to do anything.

I don't have a "bad feeling" per se but now I'm a bit nervous also.

PepperJack
09-05-2013, 08:32 PM
That was really bad Todd.

kbrake
09-05-2013, 08:32 PM
Frazier is what he is. Just a pure guess hitter and often guesses wrong. At least we ran up the pitch count.

R_Webb18
09-05-2013, 08:32 PM
3 straight walks and Todd swings at the first pitch?????????????

either way it was a strike

BluegrassRedleg
09-05-2013, 08:32 PM
Marty: "That old refrain, here we go again."

Should turn this off now and go do something prodcutive for next three hours.

RedsBrick
09-05-2013, 08:33 PM
let another Cardinal pitcher off the hook...

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 08:33 PM
Marty: "That old refrain, here we go again."

Should turn this off now and go do something prodcutive for next three hours.

Agreed. I don't think I should watch this game.

Norm Chortleton
09-05-2013, 08:33 PM
Boy, oh boy.

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:33 PM
3 consecutive walks wasn't enough. We needed 4 to score a run.

757690
09-05-2013, 08:34 PM
3 straight walks and Todd swings at the first pitch?????????????

It was right down the middle fastball. It was the best pitch he saw the whole AB. My problem was that he didn't see a strike the rest of the AB and still struck out. Sometimes it seems like Frazier and Heisey share the same brain.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2013, 08:34 PM
It would be hard to find an atbat as bad as the one Frazier just had. After three straight walks, he chased a pitch in the dirt and then struck out on a fastball eye level.

The first pitch was belt high right down the middle. I have no complaints with him swinging there.

Kc61
09-05-2013, 08:34 PM
Frazier needs to be a bench player next year.

kbrake
09-05-2013, 08:34 PM
Marty: "That old refrain, here we go again."

Should turn this off now and go do something prodcutive for next three hours.

I'd turn Marty off but I would stick with the game. It will be worth it.

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:35 PM
It would be hard to find an atbat as bad as the one Frazier just had. After three straight walks, he chased a pitch in the dirt and then struck out on a fastball eye level.

The first pitch was belt high right down the middle. I have no complaints with him swinging there.

You're not kidding. They may be up on us 1-0 in the hits department but we've got the 3-1 edge in LOB. Wonderful.

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 08:36 PM
Worse...he struck out on ball 2


I would say it was ball 3 -- but :dunno:

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:36 PM
Frazier needs to be a bench player next year.

Or get some serious extracurricular coaching with Joe or whoever. Not as much to help as to figure out, once and for all, whether he can play everyday ball successfully or not.

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 08:37 PM
either way it was a strike

agree -- the next 3 -- not so much

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 08:39 PM
Kingrani

RedsBrick
09-05-2013, 08:39 PM
I would say it was ball 3 -- but :dunno:

Theoretically he only saw 1 strike....

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 08:39 PM
I'd turn Marty off but I would stick with the game. It will be worth it.

I watch most of the games with the sound off --

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2013, 08:39 PM
I love me some Tony Cingrani. I think this kid is a future ace.

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 08:40 PM
Theoretically he only saw 1 strike....

well HE saw them as strikes --only one on the planet though

Norm Chortleton
09-05-2013, 08:40 PM
Marty: "That old refrain, here we go again."

Should turn this off now and go do something prodcutive for next three hours.

I figured you were watching Keith Urban on the NFL Kickoff Show.

:D

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:40 PM
Cingrani looking very strong. Fans the side in the 2nd. Need some runs. My kingdom for some productivity from the middle of our order.

tomnuetten
09-05-2013, 08:42 PM
so far I see some similarities to yesterday ...

reds pitching is dealing... cardinals pitcher "struggles" but the reds canīt deliver

hope the end result is different

Kc61
09-05-2013, 08:43 PM
Or get some serious extracurricular coaching with Joe or whoever. Not as much to help as to figure out, once and for all, whether he can play everyday ball successfully or not.

Let it go. If Todd wants to be a regular next year, let him earn it from the bench. Via performance.

I wouldn't dump the guy, but the Reds can't risk getting so little offense from a corner infielder. He's pretty versatile, let Todd be the primary righty hitter off the bench next year and fill in at third, first, left. Short and second in a crisis.

The Reds need to add offense on the left side of the infield and behind the plate. Their catching offensive numbers are just horrible. Too much pressure on a few hitters.

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 08:46 PM
Cingrani is the man.

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 08:46 PM
Cingrani in a race with Hamilton?

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:47 PM
Let it go. If Todd wants to be a regular next year, let him earn it from the bench. Via performance.

I wouldn't dump the guy, but the Reds can't risk getting so little offense from a corner infielder. He's pretty versatile, let Todd be the primary righty hitter off the bench next year and fill in at third, first, left. Short and second in a crisis.

The Reds need to add offense on the left side of the infield and behind the plate. Their catching offensive numbers are just horrible. Too much pressure on a few hitters.

Yep. Totally reasonable.

757690
09-05-2013, 08:47 PM
Ugh, another bunt ;)

New York Red
09-05-2013, 08:47 PM
The Reds have to find a way to keep Tony C in the rotation. He's a flat out stud with a bulldog mentality.

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 08:47 PM
Cingrani is the man.
!!!

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:48 PM
And, Kingrani can run too! Was thinking he'd get our first hit. Pretty fantastic...and sad.

Holy bejesus! And the kid steals! Step up, vets!

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 08:48 PM
only one SB behind Hamilton

The Operator
09-05-2013, 08:48 PM
Cingrani just stole a base. Wow.

New York Red
09-05-2013, 08:48 PM
And now he steals a base. :laugh: :beerme:

757690
09-05-2013, 08:48 PM
Ugh, another stolen base.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 08:49 PM
Ball 4 to Choo, Cingrani advances to third on wild pitch.

1st and 3rd, two outs for BP

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 08:49 PM
steal home -- may be our best chance

;)

Kc61
09-05-2013, 08:50 PM
First and third, two outs.

Seems like a bunt situation to me.

JKam
09-05-2013, 08:50 PM
I guess we expect a bunt right now.

757690
09-05-2013, 08:50 PM
Five baserunners. Two innings. Zero hits out of the infield.

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:51 PM
I guess we expect a bunt right now.

They can't. They won't. Right?

757690
09-05-2013, 08:51 PM
Suicide Squeeze?

The Operator
09-05-2013, 08:51 PM
Reds lead 1-0!!!

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 08:51 PM
Laying one down is the obvious call here.

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 08:51 PM
Cingrani steals that run

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 08:51 PM
1-0 Redlegs!

Kc61
09-05-2013, 08:52 PM
Cingrani teaching the other Reds how to play winning baseball.

Kid is a tremendous competitor and a fine young pitcher.

Bravo.

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:52 PM
Reds lead 1-0!!!

Yes! Call me greedy but now all I can think of is: More! More!! More!!!

757690
09-05-2013, 08:52 PM
1 run. 6 baserunners. 2 innings. Zero hits out of the infield.

kbrake
09-05-2013, 08:52 PM
All Cingrani. Incredible.

RiverRat13
09-05-2013, 08:52 PM
I wish I could have called Vegas and bet Cingrani was going to score. When you make three heads-up plays like that, things just seem to work out for you. That's just the way sports work.

JKam
09-05-2013, 08:52 PM
Votto, come up big right here!

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:52 PM
Cingrani teaching the other Reds how to play winning baseball.

Kid is a tremendous competitor and a fine young pitcher.

Bravo.

And Billy. Classic rookie sparkplugs. I think we need to let Hamilton bat tonight.

757690
09-05-2013, 08:53 PM
Cingrani teaching the other Reds how to play winning baseball.

Kid is a tremendous competitor and a fine young pitcher.

Bravo.

He does kinda look a little like Rolen.

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 08:54 PM
If Derek Lilliquist can't hack it as a pitching coach, I see a bright future for him managing a Hardees.

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:54 PM
No team scores ridiculous runs like that as well as we can.

This is how it started with Boston over Detroit last night. Can we put up 10 or more here?

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 08:54 PM
BS strike call on Votto

The Operator
09-05-2013, 08:56 PM
Wow. Joey is lifeless at the plate right now. K's on a pitch at his eyes.

DocRed
09-05-2013, 08:56 PM
Wow WTK Joey....geez.

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 08:56 PM
followed by a lousy swing for 3rd strike -- man -- there is lost and then there is Votto

kbrake
09-05-2013, 08:56 PM
It sucks watching Votto struggle like this I mean it REALLY sucks but we all know there is going to be hell to pay for opposing pitchers when he gets out of this and it is only a matter of time.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2013, 08:56 PM
Votto swung at ball 4. I've never seen him struggle this badly. Like last night, Reds are already leaving a ton of runners on base.

What a great bunt by Cingrani to keep the inning going.

WVRedsFan
09-05-2013, 08:56 PM
Man, if Votto keeps this up he won't be hitting .270 by October

Stray
09-05-2013, 08:57 PM
Votto getting close to the .200s

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 08:57 PM
Man, if Votto keeps this up he won't be hitting .270 by October
It would be kind of hard to go 0 for September.

WVRedsFan
09-05-2013, 08:58 PM
It would be kind of hard to go 0 for September.

I know, but it sure looks that way lately.

1940757690
09-05-2013, 08:58 PM
Wow. Joey is lifeless at the plate right now. K's on a pitch at his eyes.

Literally just as the broadcast team said "This team really needs Votto to hit if this team is gonna go where they want to go."

Yeah. That. Exactly. Still plenty of game left and we are ahead however much less than we should be.

DocRed
09-05-2013, 08:59 PM
It would be kind of hard to go 0 for September.

Not really, I'm pretty sure I could do it.

Kc61
09-05-2013, 09:00 PM
Wonder if Votto is too consumed with the "wait it out" philosophy, too involved with walks. Wonder if he would do better being a little more aggressive at the plate and not worrying so much about potentially swinging at a ball.

He just seems to be thinking too much up there. See the ball, hit the ball.

Then, when he is in a better groove, he can start getting super selective again.

Just a theory.

Redsfan08
09-05-2013, 09:01 PM
Stevie Wonder would be able to strike Joey Votto out at this point.

tomnuetten
09-05-2013, 09:01 PM
I thought Votto doesnīt think about all the stuff that is written and said in cincinnati media, but the way he is playing for a month Iīm not sure anymore...


he just doesnīt look like himself... swinging at bad pitches (like this one out of the strike zone)..

I want to see the real votto again :thumbdown:

@ kc

"He just seems to be thinking too much up there. See the ball, hit the ball. "

I think that was always his approach, hitting the good ones... the swing in his late at bat was out of the strike zone => thatīs not the pitches he should swing at (and he usually doesnīt...)

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 09:03 PM
Kingrani!

kbrake
09-05-2013, 09:04 PM
Wonder if Votto is too consumed with the "wait it out" philosophy, too involved with walks. Wonder if he would do better being a little more aggressive at the plate and not worrying so much about potentially swinging at a ball.

He just seems to be thinking too much up there. See the ball, hit the ball.

Then, when he is in a better groove, he can start getting super selective again.

Just a theory.

I think he is chasing more pitches out of the zone now than I've ever seen before.

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 09:05 PM
It sucks watching Votto struggle like this I mean it REALLY sucks but we all know there is going to be hell to pay for opposing pitchers when he gets out of this and it is only a matter of time.

Yep. He'll be walking to first base with a vengeance before we know it.

kbrake
09-05-2013, 09:07 PM
Yep. He'll be walking to first base with a vengeance before we know it.

How many guys are hitting for more power on this team? One? The all he does is walk narrative has grown tired. He is an elite player. Embrace it.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2013, 09:07 PM
Will the real Joey Votto please stand up. Please stand up. Please stand up...

Ironman92
09-05-2013, 09:08 PM
Lol....our row just won free cheese coneys!

RedsBaron
09-05-2013, 09:08 PM
Geez-Jim Rice did not play in the '75 Series-he was hurt. Fred Lynn did play. Don't the Reds announcers remember anything???!!!!

Mutaman
09-05-2013, 09:09 PM
Yep. He'll be walking to first base with a vengeance before we know it.

Has it now reached the point where we can criticise Joey without going to jail?

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 09:09 PM
Good gravy.....a guy who can't find the plate strikes out our cleanup hitter on 3 pitches, 2 of which were balls.

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 09:09 PM
How many guys are hitting for more power on this team? One? The all he does is walk narrative has grown tired. He is an elite player. Embrace it.

The tallest midget at the urinal defense?

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:10 PM
2-0 Reds!!! FRAZIER!!!

Ironman92
09-05-2013, 09:10 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/06/yqyryvyv.jpg

DocRed
09-05-2013, 09:10 PM
Frayju!!!

Matt700wlw
09-05-2013, 09:10 PM
:jump:

Gizmo
09-05-2013, 09:11 PM
wrong inning hehe

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 09:11 PM
My feed must be waaaay behind. The Frazier posts went up during strike 2 to Ludwick. Geez.

Great job Todd!

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2013, 09:11 PM
Frazier HR!

Mutaman
09-05-2013, 09:12 PM
He is an elite player. Embrace it.

He's an elite player who sort of disappears under the bright lights. Sort of the anti- George Brett or anti - Jeter. Hope he proves me wrong.

kbrake
09-05-2013, 09:12 PM
The tallest midget at the urinal defense?

Seriously how many players would you take over Votto?

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 09:12 PM
Yep. He'll be walking to first base with a vengeance before we know it.
You sir are uninvited to the next Votto MVP Celebration party.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:13 PM
Cards SS isn't exactly slapping the leather on 'em out there...

1940757690
09-05-2013, 09:13 PM
See that? Frazier! = Best Ever.

Where's @kc now? :beerme:

xsteve1
09-05-2013, 09:14 PM
Had the game on pause. The dog hears the fireworks and starts barking. Good news. Hopefully Todd returns to last years form the rest of the way.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:14 PM
Seriously how many players would you take over Votto?It's a Cincinnati thing.

Take all of your team's problems and blame it on their best player. It's been happening for years and years. Same thing happens with The Bengals, too.

Kc61
09-05-2013, 09:14 PM
This pitcher is at 65 pitches, Reds need to get into the Cards pen tonight.

Not that it's a bad pen, but after last night get the relievers in there early and I think the Reds will get to them.

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 09:15 PM
Seriously how many players would you take over Votto?

Not going there.

I just want him to fix whatever is bothering him because it's obvious something is going on.

I love the guy. But he's been frustrating this year, especially over the past couple of months. We literally have the future of this franchise tied up in him over the next several years. He needs to be a guy who can carry us on his shoulders.

kbrake
09-05-2013, 09:15 PM
It's a Cincinnati thing.

Take all of your team's problems and blame it on their best player. It's been happening for years and years. Same thing happens with The Bengals, too.

I know I just really struggle with it.

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 09:16 PM
You sir are uninvited to the next Votto MVP Celebration party.

:thumbup:

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:16 PM
2-0 Reds heading to the 4th inning...

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 09:16 PM
It's HR #14 on the year for Frazier. I thought for sure this year he would hit at least 20.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:17 PM
I know I just really struggle with it.
Oh me too, for sure.

Makes no sense whatsoever. Reds haven't been getting production for 3B, SS, and LF for the majority of the year and somehow that's all Joey Votto's fault.

DocRed
09-05-2013, 09:17 PM
Wow....NFL is going all out on the opening game pregame hype. Feels like the Superbowl.

Kc61
09-05-2013, 09:18 PM
It's a Cincinnati thing.

Take all of your team's problems and blame it on their best player. It's been happening for years and years. Same thing happens with The Bengals, too.

Around here we also tend to blame the weakest guy on the bench even if he never gets into the game. Like, it's all Izturis' fault. Or Wilson Valdez. Or Juan Castro.

Votto's in a slump, he'll get over it. Probably like any other slumping hitter, he's pressing. Just needs to relax and play his game.

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 09:19 PM
It's a Cincinnati thing.

Take all of your team's problems and blame it on their best player. It's been happening for years and years. Same thing happens with The Bengals, too.

For the longest time, Cincinnati's best player generally was no superstar.

And the Bengals? Huh? Whom are you referencing? Palmer? Johnson?

And the whole "take all your team's problems and blame them on their best player" is a complete red herring. My complaints about Votto are limited to Votto. Not blaming him for our injuries or lack of a respectable bench.

RollyInRaleigh
09-05-2013, 09:19 PM
Nothing Wrong With Expecting Your Team's Best Player To Play Big Down The Stretch.

klw
09-05-2013, 09:20 PM
Wait so the prior two guys struck out and Frazier swings at the first pitch????????????


http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbhkbxr0Zl1qdb4cxo1_r1_500.gif


Must self mock at times

DocRed
09-05-2013, 09:20 PM
Laz Diaz is blind...

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 09:21 PM
Oh me too, for sure.

Makes no sense whatsoever. Reds haven't been getting production for 3B, SS, and LF for the majority of the year and somehow that's all Joey Votto's fault.

If you're going to make a ridiculous statement like that, you need to defend it.

Please show me where ANYONE has blamed Votto for the deficiencies in LF, at SS and 3B. Heck, Cozart's been on fire lately.

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 09:21 PM
Kingrani picks a guy off every start it seems!

Roy Tucker
09-05-2013, 09:22 PM
Got a new roof today. Roof guys are just cleaning up now. Dog has been freaked all day with the banging and pounding.

Cingrani is a competitor.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:22 PM
For the longest time, Cincinnati's best player generally was no superstar.

And the Bengals? Huh? Whom are you referencing? Palmer? Johnson?

And the whole "take all your team's problems and blame them on their best player" is a complete red herring. My complaints about Votto are limited to Votto. Not blaming him for our injuries or lack of a respectable bench.Carson Palmer indeed. He may have left town like a dbag but for years he was their best player.

The defense sucked out loud for years yet all we ever heard was "Why can't Carson Palmer get this thing going??"

And maybe you don't blame all of the problems on Votto, but there are many who do.

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 09:22 PM
Hooooo.....Tony C awfully close to a balk there....

RollyInRaleigh
09-05-2013, 09:23 PM
That Was A Great Move By Cingrani.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:23 PM
If you're going to make a ridiculous statement like that, you need to defend it.

Please show me where ANYONE has blamed Votto for the deficiencies in LF, at SS and 3B. Heck, Cozart's been on fire lately.Marty and Thom Brenneman, for starters.

And even if they don't outright blame Votto, most people do it passively aggressively by constantly saying "Why can't Votto do this? Why can't Votto do that?!?" and completely ignoring the lack of production from other ares on the club.

RollyInRaleigh
09-05-2013, 09:24 PM
Carson Palmer indeed. He may have left town like a dbag but for years he was their best player.

The defense sucked out loud for years yet all we ever heard was "Why can't Carson Palmer get this thing going??"

And maybe you don't blame all of the problems on Votto, but there are many who do.

Who?

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 09:24 PM
Nothing Wrong With Expecting Your Team's Best Player To Play Big Down The Stretch.
No, but some of the bashing of him here (not necessarily in this thread tonight) for 'only' hitting .300 with an insane OBP is ridiculous considering how unbelievable he has been for us since 2008. Disappointment I get, disdain I don't.

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 09:24 PM
Carson Palmer indeed. He may have left town like a dbag but for years he was their best player.

The defense sucked out loud for years yet all we ever heard was "Why can't Carson Palmer get this thing going??"

And maybe you don't blame all of the problems on Votto, but there are many who do.

Von Oelhoffen ruined him. To this day he is a shell of his former self. And the defense did not suck out loud during Carson's prime as a Bengal.

And a discussion about the best player on a football team does not translate to baseball.

You say many blame all the Reds problems on Votto....just show me a couple.

DocRed
09-05-2013, 09:25 PM
F ya Cingrani! I just wish he was a little more intense....

Mutaman
09-05-2013, 09:25 PM
It's a Cincinnati thing.

Take all of your team's problems and blame it on their best player. It's been happening for years and years. Same thing happens with The Bengals, too.

This site consistently blames all of its problems on the last guy on the end of the bench- Corey Patterson, Cozart, Juan Castro, etc. Reds Nation consistently blames Baker. When i have mildly critiqued any of the stars here, I have gotten hammered. Not sure about the rest of Cincinnati.

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 09:26 PM
Yesiree!

Roy Tucker
09-05-2013, 09:26 PM
Cingrani has a competitive streak a mile wide.

RollyInRaleigh
09-05-2013, 09:26 PM
Again, Nothing Wrong With Expecting Your Team's Best Player To Play Big When It Counts Down The Stretch.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:26 PM
Von Oelhoffen ruined him. To this day he is a shell of his former self. And the defense did not suck out loud during Carson's prime as a Bengal.

And a discussion about the best player on a football team does not translate to baseball.

You say many blame all the Reds problems on Votto....just show me a couple.already did. Marty on Thom for starters.

And as I said before, even if people don't outright blame everything on Votto, they do so passively aggressively by only focusing on Votto's struggles but never saying a word about the black holes at other positions.

1940757690
09-05-2013, 09:27 PM
Wow....NFL is going all out on the opening game pregame hype. Feels like the Superbowl.

I'd guess this sucks much worse in DC than in CIN. It's nearly all Redskins all the time on all media outlets irrespective of whatever the baseball team is doing. They'll prioritize a 'skins pre-season game over a final-stretch baseball game with playoff implications here (last year). Tell me if I'm wrong but that can't be the case in Cincinnati, right?

kbrake
09-05-2013, 09:27 PM
Nothing Wrong With Expecting Your Team's Best Player To Play Big Down The Stretch.

Agree completely with this. And I understand the criticism about his play the last few weeks but what I take issue with is when someone says he'll get out of it eventually and the response is "oh so all he will do is walk again".

RollyInRaleigh
09-05-2013, 09:27 PM
This site consistently blames all of its problems on the last guy on the end of the bench- Corey Patterson, Cozart, Juan Castro, etc. Reds Nation consistently blames Baker. When i have mildly critiqued any of the stars here, I have gotten hammered. Not sure about the rest of Cincinnati.

:beerme:

Roy Tucker
09-05-2013, 09:27 PM
I think RZ needs a Votto moratorium for a day. Tempers are wearing thin.

1940757690
09-05-2013, 09:28 PM
Cingrani has a competitive streak a mile wide.

He reminds me of Harper that way before Harper started being an idiot.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:28 PM
This site consistently blames all of its problems on the last guy on the end of the bench- Corey Patterson, Cozart, Juan Castro, etc. Reds Nation consistently blames Baker. When i have mildly critiqued any of the stars here, I have gotten hammered. Not sure about the rest of Cincinnati.Mildly critiqued? Not really.

Kingspoint
09-05-2013, 09:28 PM
Now Cingrani is just toying with 'em.

Now you see the bases. Now you don't.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2013, 09:28 PM
From Twitter:

“@ENQSports: #Reds 3B coach Mark Berry received the results Thursday of the PET Scan he underwent Wednesday. He is cancer-free: http://t.co/op3f6inv3k”

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 09:28 PM
This site consistently blames all of its problems on the last guy on the end of the bench- Corey Patterson, Cozart, Juan Castro, etc. Reds Nation consistently blames Baker. When i have mildly critiqued any of the stars here, I have gotten hammered. Not sure about the rest of Cincinnati.
Patterson was the starting CF and hitting 1st, Cozart is the starting SS and hitting 2nd. They are hardly 'the last guy on the end of the bench'.

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 09:28 PM
We've both made our points. No need to let this get contentious.

I think we can all agree we just want the Reds to win and Joey to play to his ability.

Good talk. See you out there. (Old School Craig Kilborn reference.)

Norm Chortleton
09-05-2013, 09:29 PM
No, but some of the bashing of him here (not necessarily in this thread tonight) for 'only' hitting .300 with an insane OBP is ridiculous considering how unbelievable he has been for us since 2008. Disappointment I get, disdain I don't.

It's almost a certainty that he's going to go under the .300 mark in the second half of a season for the first time in 4 years and his power numbers are down. I think most people just want to know why he's struggling lately.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:29 PM
CHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

3-0 good guys

Matt700wlw
09-05-2013, 09:29 PM
Choo Choo!!

:jump:

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 09:29 PM
Choooooooooooo! :jump:

1940757690
09-05-2013, 09:29 PM
From Twitter:

“@ENQSports: #Reds 3B coach Mark Berry received the results Thursday of the PET Scan he underwent Wednesday. He is cancer-free: http://t.co/op3f6inv3k”

Much cooler, better, bigger than anything we might write about Votto, the O or the team.

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 09:30 PM
I think RZ needs a Votto moratorium for a day. Tempers are wearing thin.

Agreed, and maybe Joey himself just needs a day or two.

tomnuetten
09-05-2013, 09:30 PM
It's a Cincinnati thing.

Take all of your team's problems and blame it on their best player. It's been happening for years and years. Same thing happens with The Bengals, too.

mike brown, gresham and maualuga arenīt really the best bengals players ;)

RollyInRaleigh
09-05-2013, 09:30 PM
To Whom Much Is Given, Much Is Expected. Way Over Sensitive About Any Criticism Of Votto's Struggles.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2013, 09:30 PM
Choooooo! 3-0 Reds.

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 09:30 PM
chooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

1940757690
09-05-2013, 09:30 PM
Wow! Are we going to pay Choo whatever it takes to keep him? I so hope we will and really fear we won't.

Redsfan08
09-05-2013, 09:30 PM
Marty and Thom Brenneman, for starters.

And even if they don't outright blame Votto, most people do it passively aggressively by constantly saying "Why can't Votto do this? Why can't Votto do that?!?" and completely ignoring the lack of production from other ares on the club.

The problem is All these othere players are nowhere near getting paid what Joey Votto is making. He was being paid to come up clutch which he has failed to do more times than not and now he couldnt even hit water if he fell out of a boat.

Mutaman
09-05-2013, 09:31 PM
already did. Marty on Thom for starters.
they do so passively aggressively by only focusing on Votto's struggles but never saying a word about the black holes at other positions.


Those 8 zillion posts about Heisey, Frazer, Itsuras, and Ondrusek notwithstanding.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:32 PM
The problem is All these othere players are nowhere near getting paid what Joey Votto is making. He was being paid to come up clutch which he has failed to do more times than not and now he couldnt even hit water if he fell out of a boat.Ah yes, the "he's not paid to walk... he's paid to hit! And be clutch!!" argument.

He's paid to be himself.

Mutaman
09-05-2013, 09:32 PM
Are we going to pay Choo whatever it takes to keep him?

Not if 20,000 folks keep showing up for a Reds- Redbirds series .

Redsfan08
09-05-2013, 09:33 PM
Choo you`re my boy.

Roy Tucker
09-05-2013, 09:33 PM
Bad thing about the ballgame last night was that the Howl made a comeback.

I was glad it faded away.

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 09:33 PM
Contact!

kbrake
09-05-2013, 09:34 PM
This site consistently blames all of its problems on the last guy on the end of the bench- Corey Patterson, Cozart, Juan Castro, etc. Reds Nation consistently blames Baker. When i have mildly critiqued any of the stars here, I have gotten hammered. Not sure about the rest of Cincinnati.

Maybe you have been unfairly lumped in with the "Votto is the worst" crowd. I think the same thing has happened with Dusty Baker. There was so much criticism of his every move that now some people jump you for pointing out any mistake he makes.

50YrRedsFan
09-05-2013, 09:34 PM
Matheny can leave Lynn in as long as he wants.......the Reds like hitting off of him.

DocRed
09-05-2013, 09:34 PM
Joey looking pissed there....honestly this is more on Dusty than Votto at this point IMO. Everyone is human and deserves a day off at some point.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:34 PM
To Whom Much Is Given, Much Is Expected. Way Over Sensitive About Any Criticism Of Votto's Struggles.Because for the majority of the year, he hasn't been even remotely close to a problem on this team.

Yes, he's struggling like crazy right now but people have been criticizing him all year long, even when he was going good.

DocRed
09-05-2013, 09:36 PM
Well that explains about Parra...wth don't they tell us this before the game?

50YrRedsFan
09-05-2013, 09:36 PM
Joey looking pissed there....honestly this is more on Dusty than Votto at this point IMO. Everyone is human and deserves a day off at some point.

I figure Votto tells Dusty he wants to be in there.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:36 PM
Freese goes deep to make it 3-1

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:37 PM
Well that explains about Parra...wth don't they tell us this before the game?
What'd they say?? I've had the volume muted for the last 10 or 15 minutes. Girlfriend called, lol.

1940757690
09-05-2013, 09:37 PM
Not if 20,000 folks keep showing up for a Reds- Redbirds series .

That is incredible to me. We have a disaster of a team here in Washington that mailed it in months ago and they're still drawing upwards of 30K/game. I travel to CIN at least twice each season and to other cities (NY, PHL and PIT in 2 weeks, sometimes others if I'm on the road for work) to catch Reds games. WTF? I don't understand this at all.

kbrake
09-05-2013, 09:37 PM
Joey looking pissed there....honestly this is more on Dusty than Votto at this point IMO. Everyone is human and deserves a day off at some point.

Votto seemed very clear before the game that he does not want or need a day off.

RollyInRaleigh
09-05-2013, 09:38 PM
Because for the majority of the year, he hasn't been even remotely close to a problem on this team.

Yes, he's struggling like crazy right now but people have been criticizing him all year long, even when he was going good.

When You Are A Great Player, Tbe ExpeCtations Are Always Huge, Particularly In A Pennant Race. The Bar Is High, And It Should be.

Mutaman
09-05-2013, 09:38 PM
Maybe you have been unfairly lumped in with the "Votto is the worst" crowd. I think the same thing has happened with Dusty Baker. There was so much criticism of his every move that now some people jump you for pointing out any mistake he makes.

You're seriously comparing the criticism Joey gets with the criticism Baker gets? And where is this "Votto is the worst" crowd. Certainly not around here except for an isolated troll now and then.

Roy Tucker
09-05-2013, 09:38 PM
Well that explains about Parra...wth don't they tell us this before the game?

It was on Fay's blog this AM.

Congrats to the Parras.

Redsfan08
09-05-2013, 09:38 PM
Because for the majority of the year, he hasn't been even remotely close to a problem on this team.

Yes, he's struggling like crazy right now but people have been criticizing him all year long, even when he was going good.
Did Joey Votto pay you're utility's for a year or something?

DocRed
09-05-2013, 09:38 PM
Woa.....slowmo jiggle cam there with Adams.

UPRedsFan
09-05-2013, 09:38 PM
I'm starting to wonder if Votto has an eyesight problem. Even on good pitches to hit he seems to be fouling them off a lot lately. Is it fatigue or is he not seeing the ball well?

Mutaman
09-05-2013, 09:39 PM
When You Are A Great Player, Tbe ExpeCtations Are Always Huge, Padticularly In A Pennant Race. The Bar Is High, And It Should be.

And the really great ones rise to the occassion.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:39 PM
3 outs, 3-1 Reds thru 4.5

DocRed
09-05-2013, 09:39 PM
Ball is flying today...

1940757690
09-05-2013, 09:40 PM
Freese motors one. 3-1. Okay. I believe in Cingrani. But I'd also like to see us tack on a few...or many.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:40 PM
Did Joey Votto pay you're utility's for a year or something?Nope, my cable bill actually.

I work for DP&L so I already get a nice discount on my electric bill. :)

DocRed
09-05-2013, 09:40 PM
It was on Fay's blog this AM.

Congrats to the Parras.

Ya, I meant yesterday when everyone was wondering where he was.

Kc61
09-05-2013, 09:41 PM
Freese motors one. 3-1. Okay. I believe in Cingrani. But I'd also like to see us tack on a few...or many.

Cingrani will give up homers. Key is to keep men off base so they are solos. So far tonight, so good.

kbrake
09-05-2013, 09:43 PM
You're seriously comparing the criticism Joey gets with the criticism Baker gets? And where is this "Votto is the worst" crowd. Certainly not around here except for an isolated troll now and then.

No I definitely didn't mean they are on equal levels. I just simply meant everything seems to be painted as extreme around here lately. You said you felt like you got beat up for being a little critical of Votto and I was saying you're probably right and it is wrong.

RollyInRaleigh
09-05-2013, 09:43 PM
And the really great ones rise to the occassion.

Exactly.

Roy Tucker
09-05-2013, 09:43 PM
Ya, I meant yesterday when everyone was wondering where he was.

I'll agree with that.

But often times babies don't adhere to a nice and neat schedule. Might have been a last minute thing. And maybe they wanted to make sure mom and baby Parra were all healthy and happy before saying anything.

xsteve1
09-05-2013, 09:44 PM
Bruce!!!!

DocRed
09-05-2013, 09:44 PM
Baker gets criticism...but if you are a frequent reader of Cards talk, Matheny gets it much worse IMO. Also LaRussa got torn up in the year they won the WS too.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:45 PM
Bruuuuuuuuuuce!!!!!

4-1!

Redsfan08
09-05-2013, 09:45 PM
Bruuuuuuuce

Gizmo
09-05-2013, 09:45 PM
yay jay

mbgrayson
09-05-2013, 09:46 PM
BTW, tonight is the Reds last Thursday game of the regular season...

klw
09-05-2013, 09:46 PM
More first pitch homering bay the Reds.






Watch Frazier take the first pitch next go around.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:46 PM
Ludwick Ks, 1 out

757690
09-05-2013, 09:46 PM
Lynn might want to start hitting Hometown Buffet again. Skinny Lance isn't working out too well for him.

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 09:46 PM
Got a new roof today. Roof guys are just cleaning up now. Dog has been freaked all day with the banging and pounding.

Cingrani is a competitor.

No more blue tarp roof?

Roy Tucker
09-05-2013, 09:47 PM
The way I look at it, Votto is too good for this to go on a whole lot longer. He'll come around.

And the fan in me wants to get all torches and pitchforks about it. But the human being in me realizes everyone has ups and downs. So I'm keeping my more unreasonable comments to myself because I know they'll look really stupid in a week or so.

The angel sitting on one shoulder and the devil sitting on the other, constantly warring over the soul of Roy.

Gizmo
09-05-2013, 09:47 PM
well that was not pretty

DocRed
09-05-2013, 09:47 PM
We didn't win last night, but in a way we did....it's forcing Matheny to keep Lynn in longer than he normally would.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 09:48 PM
Frazier on with a single...

malcontent
09-05-2013, 09:48 PM
After the K, did Ludwick put his arm out for Molina to tag?

Roy Tucker
09-05-2013, 09:48 PM
No more blue tarp roof?

Don't get me started.

8 out of 10 houses in the neighborhood get a new roof from hail and wind damage and pay just a $200-500 deductible.

Roy's house has titanium shingles and no storm damage so I foot the entire $9k bill.

Bah.

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 09:50 PM
The way I look at it, Votto is too good for this to go on a whole lot longer. He'll come around.

And the fan in me wants to get all torches and pitchforks about it. But the human being in me realizes everyone has ups and downs. So I'm keeping my more unreasonable comments to myself because I know they'll look really stupid in a week or so.

The angel sitting on one shoulder and the devil sitting on the other, constantly warring over the soul of Roy.

I have been playing the best golf of my life all summer --- yesterday I had the worst round I've had in at least a year --- sometimes it happens to people like me and to really talented guys like Joey ---

mbgrayson
09-05-2013, 09:51 PM
After 5 innings, Reds 4, Cardinals 1.

Cingrani at 66 pitches, 38 strikes.
Lynn at 102 pitches, 66 strikes.

Redsfan08
09-05-2013, 09:54 PM
I feel that this is going to be the Reds team we see for the rest of the season.

Big Klu
09-05-2013, 09:54 PM
Congratulations to Jay Bruce, who has passed Gus Bell and Brandon Phillips for 12th place on the Reds' all-time home run list!


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Jay Bruce - 161
13. Gus Bell - 160
13. Brandon Phillips - 160
15. Joey Votto - 154
16. Joe Morgan - 152
16. Pete Rose - 152
18. Lee May - 147
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101

JKam
09-05-2013, 09:54 PM
We didn't win last night, but in a way we did....it's forcing Matheny to keep Lynn in longer than he normally would.

St Louis is going to have to go to the pen again tonight and then they'll have the series against the Pirates. Could come into play in that series.

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 09:57 PM
Can only hold Carpenter down for so long, apparently.


4-2 now on a wild pitch.

Roy Tucker
09-05-2013, 09:58 PM
I like Bryan Price. Great communicator.

Red Raindog
09-05-2013, 10:00 PM
Don't get me started.

8 out of 10 houses in the neighborhood get a new roof from hail and wind damage and pay just a $200-500 deductible.

Roy's house has titanium shingles and no storm damage so I foot the entire $9k bill.

Bah.

sorry bout that

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 10:00 PM
Cingrani all of a sudden losing it. 4 pitch walk to Holliday. Two on, one out.

Christiani and Duke warming up, apparently the B Squad will have to do tonight.

Gallen5862
09-05-2013, 10:01 PM
Thanks for the pbp.

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 10:01 PM
Cingrani out, unknown which reliever will be in to face Beltran. Either way, it's a daunting task.

Cedric
09-05-2013, 10:02 PM
Small things matter and the Reds don't really do them well. Choo has to cut that ball off or simply make a better play. That ball should not have been a triple.

Changes the whole dynamics of the inning.

Kc61
09-05-2013, 10:03 PM
Duke and Christiani were warming. I guess they were two guys not used (or lightly used) yesterday.

Tough situation for those two.

kbrake
09-05-2013, 10:03 PM
Dusty turning expanded rosters into a liability.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2013, 10:03 PM
I feel that this is going to be the Reds team we see for the rest of the season.

Starters who lose it after 5 innings? I hope not

Tom Servo
09-05-2013, 10:04 PM
Yesiree!


All hail Duke!
Duke is life!

Matt700wlw
09-05-2013, 10:04 PM
Wow!!! Duke of Earl!

757690
09-05-2013, 10:04 PM
Dusty turning expanded rosters into a liability.

16 inning game last night. Not a lot of choices.

The Operator
09-05-2013, 10:04 PM
Zach Duke!!! Double play!!

Hope BP is okay, Holliday took him out pretty hard.

VottoFan54
09-05-2013, 10:05 PM
Small things matter and the Reds don't really do them well. Choo has to cut that ball off or simply make a better play. That ball should not have been a triple.

Changes the whole dynamics of the inning.

Do double plays count as small things? Their fundamentals were alright on that play.

xsteve1
09-05-2013, 10:05 PM
Phillips down...Crap.

DocRed
09-05-2013, 10:05 PM
Please be OK BP....

OldXOhio
09-05-2013, 10:05 PM
We're gonna need at least 2 more runs to win this one

Redsfan08
09-05-2013, 10:05 PM
DP

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2013, 10:05 PM
WHEW!!!