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powersackers
09-07-2013, 12:12 PM
#Reds lineup
Choo 8
Izturis 4
Votto 3
Bruce 9
Ludwick 7
Frazier 5
Cozart 6
Mesoraco 2
Latos 1

#Dodgers lineup at Reds:
Crawford LF
Puig RF
Gonzalez 1B
Ramirez SS
Ethier CF
Young 3B
Schumaker 2B
A Ellis C
Greinke P

Check out @ctrent's Tweet: https://twitter.com/ctrent/status/376358398414954496

kaldaniels
09-07-2013, 12:33 PM
I guess Cezar is the designated bunter today.

R_Webb18
09-07-2013, 12:48 PM
Izturis batting 2nd seems smart.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 12:55 PM
I guess Cozart hitting about .370 over the last month is a good reason not to bat him second for once. At least Izturis can bunt. Facing Greinke, though, this may be a 1-0 or 2-1 game anyway. There is good news for the Reds, though. Greinke is not LH. The Reds do ok against aces - it's the scrub LH dweeb that they have fits hitting. (I'm getting senile - thought for a minute Kershaw was RH - better win tonight)

keeganbrick
09-07-2013, 01:06 PM
I think this marks the first time Ludwick is playing a day game after a night game. Hopefully Dusty feels he is back too full strength now and he is done with sitting.

Matt700wlw
09-07-2013, 01:31 PM
Izturis batting second. :lol:

I hope he goes 4-4 with 2 Home Runs.

Red Raindog
09-07-2013, 01:37 PM
Izturis batting 2nd seems smart.

yeah - can never get him to the plate too many times

powersackers
09-07-2013, 01:41 PM
Grienke has allowed 2 runs or less in his last 7 starts. And 10 of his last 11.

Latos has allowed 2 runs or less in 8 of his last 9 starts.

Raisor
09-07-2013, 01:55 PM
Naked Saturday commences! Play ball!

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 02:03 PM
Blacked out of the game, tremendous.

Raisor
09-07-2013, 02:05 PM
Servo, it could be worse. You could be in prison.

NebraskaRed
09-07-2013, 02:09 PM
FOX thinks I would want to watch the Red Sox/Yankees.

Thanks, FOX!

RedsfaninMT
09-07-2013, 02:10 PM
Ruh Roh

Raisor
09-07-2013, 02:13 PM
Not a terrific beginning. Makes the comeback more exciting!

757690
09-07-2013, 02:15 PM
Latos doesn't have much right now. Hopefully it's just a first inning thing.

KittyDuran
09-07-2013, 02:16 PM
Not a terrific beginning. Makes the comeback more exciting!

Don't say that... I haven't got to my seat yet. Oh, and put some pants on! ;)

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 02:18 PM
Could have been worse.

757690
09-07-2013, 02:18 PM
Latos got hit hard by everyone in the first, but escapes with giving up just one run. I'll take that as a good omen.

NebraskaRed
09-07-2013, 02:19 PM
Not the greatest start, but Latos got out of that little jam.

Raisor
09-07-2013, 02:20 PM
Great damage control in the first. Time to put a hurtin on

757690
09-07-2013, 02:23 PM
Dusty is a genius again ;)

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 02:23 PM
Iztruis singles, Dusty is a genius.

Ironman92
09-07-2013, 02:23 PM
I think this marks the first time Ludwick is playing a day game after a night game. Hopefully Dusty feels he is back too full strength now and he is done with sitting.

He's also followed up Heisey's 0-7 with an 0-7 of his own.

757690
09-07-2013, 02:24 PM
Can Hanley win the MVP playing only around 90 games this season? I think he clearly is the league's MVP.

Raisor
09-07-2013, 02:24 PM
Don't say that... I haven't got to my seat yet. Oh, and put some pants on! ;)

No. #nakedsaturday

Raisor
09-07-2013, 02:26 PM
Bruuuuuuuce

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 02:26 PM
Tie game!

NebraskaRed
09-07-2013, 02:26 PM
Boom. Tie game.

Matt700wlw
09-07-2013, 02:27 PM
2-1

VR
09-07-2013, 02:27 PM
Perhaps the offense needed to stop facing guys with a 5+ earnie....and get a shot at dudes with sub 3's to get going. This is crazy.

757690
09-07-2013, 02:27 PM
Glad to see 2 runs, but again with the bad baserunning?

Kc61
09-07-2013, 02:28 PM
What happened? Can't tune in now.

Tornon
09-07-2013, 02:29 PM
Ludwick singled to left, Votto scored. Bruce tried to advance to 3rd on the throw home but it got cut off and he was thrown out

757690
09-07-2013, 02:30 PM
Ludwick singled to left with two one, one out. Votto scored easily, but Bruce overran second, and got caught in a rundown, but not long enough for Ludwick to get to second.

1940757690
09-07-2013, 02:30 PM
Awesome--answering quickly and hard with middle of the order! Love it.

Knowing I won't get much (any) sympathy here, may I vent for just a second?

It's a frickin' crime....crime I tell you...that a September Saturday Latos-Greinke matchup is virtually unobtainable on the East Coast. Not on satellite. Not on MLB.TV (why the f++k even pay for MLB when they block out the Saturday games for broadcast networks who then don't carry it nationally?!?!). Not on national FOX showing, of course, Yankees/Sox.

Wow. Of course, I love the radio team (best in the country, Scully notwithstanding) but it's just stinkin' wrong I can't also watch this game when not in a car.

Yeah! We've got the lead!!!

Crap. Can't watch it.

OK, I'm done. Thanks for humoring an East Coast Reds Fan in a serious a schizophrenic moment (damn! Can't watch. yes! We're up by 1!!!!).

757690
09-07-2013, 02:31 PM
With these two pitchers, this could be the final score.

Kc61
09-07-2013, 02:32 PM
Thx

1940757690
09-07-2013, 02:33 PM
With these two pitchers, this could be the final score.

That'd be A-OK with me. And, I suspect, with all of you too. :thumbup:

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 02:34 PM
With these two pitchers, this could be the final score.
Or they could both be gone by the 5th. :scared:

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 02:37 PM
It's a frickin' crime....crime I tell you...that a September Saturday Latos-Greinke matchup is virtually unobtainable on the East Coast. Not on satellite. Not on MLB.TV (why the f++k even pay for MLB when they block out the Saturday games for broadcast networks who then don't carry it nationally?!?!). Not on national FOX showing, of course, Yankees/Sox.

Wow. Of course, I love the radio team but it's just stinkin' wrong I can't also watch this game not in a car.

Can't get it here in the midwest - I believe its a national blackout unless you are in a Fox area where they play the Reds-Dodgers. Otherwise you are out of luck. It is a crime. Of course they play the Yanks Sox game in 90% of the country - Fox thinks the Yanks are the only team in MLB.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 02:40 PM
Puig.

RedsManRick
09-07-2013, 02:40 PM
I'm so glad Fox is showing me the White Sox game instead of Reds-Dodgers. I mean, here in Chicago it's darn near impossible to get those games otherwise. At least I can watch the Reds on mlb.tv. Oh wait... nm. Is there any reason to not hate Fox?

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 02:40 PM
Take out the U. Ughhh.

1940757690
09-07-2013, 02:40 PM
Can't get it here in the midwest - I believe its a national blackout unless you are in a Fox area where they play the Reds-Dodgers. Otherwise you are out of luck. It is a crime. Of course they play the Yanks Sox game in 90% of the country - Fox thinks the Yanks are the only team in MLB.

Thank God for Brennaman, et al.. They're the veritable bone thrown to someone otherwise in solitary.

Crap--Puig! Kelch got the call wrong calling it a tie game. Forgot about Ellis. Latos needs to settle down. Can't expect our guys to come back to many times today.

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 02:41 PM
Kelch keeps saying it's a tie game, but the Dodgers are ahead 3-2 by my count.

757690
09-07-2013, 02:41 PM
Hanger from Latos. And with two strikes against a guy who swings at everything. Ugh.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 02:41 PM
Okay, I just tuned in during the Puig AB. Is it 3-2 or 2-2? Kelch keeps saying it's tied 2-2. What's up?

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 02:42 PM
Mat - cover the bag fella

Matt700wlw
09-07-2013, 02:42 PM
HE was out. Slow to the bag or not, Mat's foot touched the bag first.

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 02:43 PM
Bad time for a clunker from Mat.

757690
09-07-2013, 02:43 PM
Throw the red flag, throw the red flag!

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 02:43 PM
This is what I don't like about Latos - he does tend to get ticked off and rattles. Point the anger at the plate big guy. Pitch the anger at em. Don't scatter it

1940757690
09-07-2013, 02:43 PM
I'm so glad Fox is showing me the White Sox game instead of Reds-Dodgers. I mean, here in Chicago it's darn near impossible to get those games otherwise. At least I can watch the Reds on mlb.tv. Oh wait... nm. Is there any reason to not hate Fox?

Not that I can think of. Checked online and even Fox Ohio is listed as showing college football. Don't think I can even order this from my satellite provider. Damn the cable/broadcast industry desperately needs a Steve Jobs like figure to overturn the existing and incredibly stupid model.

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 02:44 PM
Jeez, somebody tell Kelch the freakin score.

Gunner44
09-07-2013, 02:44 PM
So no argument from dusty? And people wonder why some of us despise him

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 02:44 PM
Okay, what's the score? Gameday is saying 3-2. Kelch has said like 5 times it's 2-2.

Red Raindog
09-07-2013, 02:45 PM
Blacked out of the game, tremendous.

same here but we do the White Sox

:laugh:

1940757690
09-07-2013, 02:45 PM
Okay, I just tuned in during the Puig AB. Is it 3-2 or 2-2? Kelch keeps saying it's tied 2-2. What's up?

You watching or listening? I ask since your sig here says Houston. They do keep saying tied at 2; just said it again before breaking for a commercial. Odd.

757690
09-07-2013, 02:46 PM
So no argument from dusty? And people wonder why some of us despise him

Baker did come out to argue, for the record.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 02:46 PM
The score is 3-2. There was a man on for Puig's homer.

Gunner44
09-07-2013, 02:46 PM
Its 3-2 dodgers

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 02:47 PM
So no argument from dusty? And people wonder why some of us despise him

What's the point? Other than getting the crowd riled up, seriously what's the point? Have any of you EVER seen an ump change the ruling on the field because a manager argued? Considering Dusty's recent health status...not getting riled up for no point is probably a good idea.

VR
09-07-2013, 02:47 PM
I'm so glad Fox is showing me the White Sox game instead of Reds-Dodgers. I mean, here in Chicago it's darn near impossible to get those games otherwise. At least I can watch the Reds on mlb.tv. Oh wait... nm. Is there any reason to not hate Fox?

I'm in SF today, and didn't even think to see if the Reds were on......guess what? They are!

thanks for the discussion boys, I would have never checked :thumbup:

Gunner44
09-07-2013, 02:47 PM
Baker did come out to argue, for the record.

I must have missed it. Thanks 757690

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 02:48 PM
What's the point? Other than getting the crowd riled up, seriously what's the point? Have any of you EVER seen an ump change the ruling on the field because a manager argued?

No - but ya gotta admit it would be fun to see Dusty get excited once in a while. Might not signify a thing but it would fun to see him go all Earl Weaver. No other reason really. I just like the fireworks.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 02:49 PM
You watching or listening? I ask since your sig here says Houston. They do keep saying tied at 2; just said it again before breaking for a commercial. Odd.

Listening. MLB.tv is blacked out. Fox is showing the Yankees here in Houston.

VR
09-07-2013, 02:49 PM
Baker did come out to argue, for the record.

Yes, but he should have looked really, really mad.....especially when the cameras were on him. He's obviously a lousy manager.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 02:49 PM
Listening. MLB.tv is blacked out. Fox is showing the Yankees here in Houston.

That makes as much sense as the Yankees here in KC.

1940757690
09-07-2013, 02:50 PM
I'm in SF today, and didn't even think to see if the Reds were on......guess what? They are!

thanks for the discussion boys, I would have never checked :thumbup:

Happy for you...really. But big grumble. I'm in DC. You're in SFO. You get this game on regional broadcast and I don't? Man I'd love to see someone take a metaphorical bazooka to the broadcast/cable television industry.

757690
09-07-2013, 02:52 PM
Yes, but he should have looked really, really mad.....especially when the cameras were on him. He's obviously a lousy manager.

I honestly think Baker goes out not to argue, but ask how are the wife and kids. He the anti Earl Weaver.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 02:52 PM
Happy for you...really. But big grumble. I'm in DC. You're in SFO. You get this game on regional broadcast and I don't? Man I'd love to see someone take a metaphorical bazooka to the broadcast/cable television industry.

As advanced as satellite/cable is you'd think between three games you could select the game you want with on demand. Shouldn't be that hard to do technologically. And it defaults to a regional game.

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 02:53 PM
bottom of the Reds order out in order

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 02:53 PM
2 innings 5 combined runs. I'm kind of surprised.

VR
09-07-2013, 02:53 PM
Happy for you...really. But big grumble. I'm in DC. You're in SFO. You get this game on regional broadcast and I don't? Man I'd love to see someone take a metaphorical bazooka to the broadcast/cable television industry.

http://cardboardgods.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/1975jgbaz4.jpg

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 02:54 PM
That makes as much sense as the Yankees here in KC.

I guess they could argue that it's an AL game and Houston is now an AL town. I loathe the NY/BOS lovefest nationwide with the media. :(

1940757690
09-07-2013, 02:55 PM
As advanced as satellite/cable is you'd think between three games you could select the game you want with on demand. Shouldn't be that hard to do technologically. And it defaults to a regional game.

Has nothing to do with technology limitations. Has everything to do with idiocy around revenue maximization and good old fashioned arrogance. It's why I made the Steve Jobs reference. For all his flaws, he was uniquely talented at recognizing customer-antagonizing idiocy and doing something about it bull-in-china-shop style. That's what the cable, satellite and broadcast idiots need. They haven't learned from what happened to traditional book publishers and music labels. Their day of reckoning is coming. Our grandkids won't have to deal with this stupidity. The existing model is unsustainable.

757690
09-07-2013, 02:56 PM
http://cardboardgods.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/1975jgbaz4.jpg

I believe Kurt Bevaqua won that, and Johnny Bench finished second.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 02:58 PM
that would have been a great effort if I could have seen it

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 02:58 PM
I believe Kurt Bevaqua won that, and Johnny Bench finished second.

Don't know about Bench, but Bevacqua definitely won it. That baseball card is rather memorable. :O)

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmj--d4XR1wr-hCC1TjzZ2k9TdM0U5p1NeCv5Hnj9JJrS9fucWYw

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:00 PM
Being a relatively new member here, I've always wondered why Operator and others often do quasi play-by-play on the threads. Today, I both understand and appreciate it.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:00 PM
1 down with a K

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:02 PM
5-3. 2 down. Nice comeback by Mat being down 2-0 in the count.

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:02 PM
1 down with a K

Not just any "1." Ethier. Latos is as good as anyone in the game when he keeps a lid on his emotions.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:03 PM
Schumaker, the Dodger version of the utility guy that seems to always kill us. This time Ludwick grabs a flyball. 1-2-3.

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:03 PM
And that's 3. Gorgeous inning by Latos. I really, really, want us to take this game. We are so due to roll the Cards and get beyond an LDS. Winning series against baseball's best teams like this shows we can do it.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:04 PM
Not just any "1." Ethier. Latos is as good as anyone in the game when he keeps a lid on his emotions.

That's the key - I love his fire - he just needs to keep it focused and not blow up.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:05 PM
Time to get the lead back...

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 03:08 PM
Clearly a ball via gameday.

757690
09-07-2013, 03:08 PM
Wow, one of the worst called strikes I've ever seen. I thought Eric Gregg retired.

Red Raindog
09-07-2013, 03:08 PM
I'm in SF today, and didn't even think to see if the Reds were on......guess what? They are!

thanks for the discussion boys, I would have never checked :thumbup:

you are out of my will

Brutus
09-07-2013, 03:10 PM
I see a lot of you complaining about blackouts. Well, I'm literally blacked out as my FOX station has been a black screen for the last inning running.

Matt700wlw
09-07-2013, 03:12 PM
Look who's bat woke up :)

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:12 PM
Votto double. 6 straight PAs with a safety

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 03:12 PM
I see a lot of you complaining about blackouts. Well, I'm literally blacked out as my FOX station has been a black screen for the last inning running.

Nah, just a camera zoomed in on Wilson's hideous facial abomination.

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:13 PM
Votto is seriously back in form!!! This is scary for other teams in the very best of ways. So pissed I couldn't watch that double.

757690
09-07-2013, 03:13 PM
I get a warm and fuzzy feeling hearing Joe Morgan talk about the Reds as "we."

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:15 PM
Crap! JB grounds out after working the count full.

New York Red
09-07-2013, 03:15 PM
I believe Kurt Bevaqua won that, and Johnny Bench finished second.
I still have a couple of those Kurt Bevaqua baseball cards with the giant bubble being measured with calipers.

Matt700wlw
09-07-2013, 03:16 PM
I get a warm and fuzzy feeling hearing Joe Morgan talk about the Reds as "we."

Joe's allowed. We are not :D

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:16 PM
Greinke hits 92-93 max but changes speeds, hits spots, mixes pitches, throws hard and slow sinking changeups - hand it to him quite a pitcher. Pitches better than his raw stuff would indicate.

757690
09-07-2013, 03:18 PM
I still have a couple of those Kurt Bevaqua baseball cards with the giant bubble being measured with calipers.

I have hard time remembering my last girlfriend's name. But I immediately remembered that card. Lol.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 03:19 PM
Joe's allowed. We are not :D

Yes WE are. That was MY trophy too. :O)

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:21 PM
Ellis singles. He is becoming a pain in the neck.

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:21 PM
Sounds like Latos is letting himself get frustrated. Nice comeback to 3-2 after the three straight balls only to give up another hit to Ellis.

Brutus
09-07-2013, 03:22 PM
I suppose I'm resigned to missing this game. Two innings running now my FOX affiliate is broadcasting dead air, or like Sir Charles said, they're fascinated with Wilson's beard.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:22 PM
Frazier charges, Greinke swings away and Frazier still grabs it and throws Ellis out at second

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:24 PM
I suppose I'm resigned to missing this game. Two innings running now my FOX affiliate is broadcasting dead air, or like Sir Charles said, they're fascinated with Wilson's beard.

The WLW feed and gameday are decidedly better than nothing imho.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 03:24 PM
Frazier charges, Greinke swings away and Frazier still grabs it and throws Ellis out at second

It's going to happen one day. Butcher boy right to Todd's forehead. I didn't see THAT play, but he habitually gets WAY too close.

Brutus
09-07-2013, 03:24 PM
The WLW feed and gameday are decidedly better than nothing imho.

True.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:24 PM
Crawford singles, Greinke to 2nd. Puig to the plate. 1 down.

Brutus
09-07-2013, 03:25 PM
The Red Sox are one some kind of run offensively. Up 9-2 today in the 4th inning on the Yankees. They've scored 50 runs in their last 3 1/2 games.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 03:26 PM
The WLW feed and gameday are decidedly better than nothing imho.

after the game is over, they'll post the video highlights on gameday...but not during. Just so you know. Yeah, I'm VERY used to the gameday & audio combo. These last 2 seasons are the first times I've gotten to watch the Reds regularly on tv since the mid 80's.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:26 PM
It's going to happen one day. Butcher boy right to Todd's forehead. I didn't see THAT play, but he habitually gets WAY too close.

Luckily Greinke just chopped the ball - had he stung it either Todd gets knocked out or the ball goes way down the line past him

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:27 PM
The Red Sox are one some kind of run offensively. Up 9-2 today in the 4th inning on the Yankees. They've scored 50 runs in their last 3 1/2 games.

Now 10-2. How incredibly cool would it be for a reprise of '75 come WS time? I'd mortgage my house again to see those games in person.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:27 PM
BIG KO. 2 down.

50YrRedsFan
09-07-2013, 03:27 PM
Latos not very sharp today. Not comfortable on the mound. Has stumbled several times during his follow through.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:27 PM
Puig flips the bat in disgust and hits himself in the face. Smart fella.

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:28 PM
Yes! Mat! K's Puig with runners on!!!! Alrighty, we can win this.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:28 PM
Line drive single, Bruce throw catches Greinke in a riundown with a bullet throw. 3 down!

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:28 PM
Puig flips the bat in disgust and hits himself in the face. Smart fella.

More an immature but very dangerous fella. Sort of like a pit bull puppy that way.

757690
09-07-2013, 03:29 PM
Dodgers catch a case of Redsrunningitis.

mth123
09-07-2013, 03:29 PM
Nice to see another team with boneheaded base running. Thanks for the bailout Mr. Crawford.

50YrRedsFan
09-07-2013, 03:29 PM
Dodgers with a bonehead base running blunder.

Larkin Fan
09-07-2013, 03:29 PM
Bruce's arm never ceases to amaze me.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:29 PM
Love to see another team make running blunder - bluffing on Bruce's arm was dumb, dumb, dumb

Brutus
09-07-2013, 03:30 PM
Greinke's stuff isn't his best today. I expect the Reds to tack on some more runs. Hopefully Latos and the pen can limit any further damage.

Larkin Fan
09-07-2013, 03:32 PM
Anyone think Latos' lack of sharpness today may have something to do with that foul ball he took off his leg in BP the other day?

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:34 PM
Ludwick Ks on a high fb

Matt700wlw
09-07-2013, 03:34 PM
Anyone think Latos' lack of sharpness today may have something to do with that foul ball he took off his leg in BP the other day?

I think he's just human :p

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:35 PM
Toddfather strikes out 2 down

Brutus
09-07-2013, 03:36 PM
I take it back, the Reds seem to be content to letting Greinke get into a rhythm now.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:36 PM
Cozart singles for a 12 game hit streak, career high for him

Larkin Fan
09-07-2013, 03:39 PM
I think he's just human :p

That's a given. However, as another poster mentioned earlier, he's stumbled off the mound a few times leading me to wonder if the leg is bothering him after all.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:39 PM
Mes hammers a long long foul....couple more foul balls....strikes out

Gunner44
09-07-2013, 03:40 PM
Is Mes crouching more than usual?

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:40 PM
Sigh....Meso goes quietly after chewing up some Grienke pitches (at 77 now).

Brutus
09-07-2013, 03:41 PM
Mesoraco looked like he was turning a corner a month ago, but he's really been struggling since.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:42 PM
Mes looks like his timing is just a split second off - he is fouling off a lot of pitches rather than squaring them up

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:43 PM
Frazier with a nice play to nail Ramirez

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:44 PM
long lazy fly to Ludwick by Ethier. 2 down

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:45 PM
Young rips a single

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:45 PM
Schumaker to the plate

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:47 PM
Choo hauls in a fly at the base of the wall in CF. 3 down.

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:47 PM
And, that's 3. Onto the bottom of the 5th. Let's get a couple of runs.

Brutus
09-07-2013, 03:47 PM
With 8-9-1 coming up, I'd think Latos can get through one more inning. After that, will probably be up to the bullpen.

757690
09-07-2013, 03:47 PM
Now I'm afraid this will be the final score.

Gunner44
09-07-2013, 03:47 PM
Mes hot for the playoffs would be huge......who do you think gets the bulk of the playing time come playoffs? Mes or Hanigan?

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:49 PM
Nice inning. 82 pitches for Latos through 5.

RadfordVA
09-07-2013, 03:49 PM
Is the one more inning out of Latos worth not pinch hitting here?

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:49 PM
Wow. The Red Sox phenom, Bogaerts, just popped his first HR to make it 12-3 over the Yanks. Think the Sox are approaching a record for runs in a four-game span.

Kc61
09-07-2013, 03:50 PM
Mesoraco looked like he was turning a corner a month ago, but he's really been struggling since.

One move that might have helped the Reds is to add another catcher. Navarro would have been ideal, but would have cost.

The catching duo just hasn't hit. In Mes' case, he may be injured, there's been talk of a hamstring problem. And maybe Mes just lost it when Hanigan starting taking a number of his at bats.

If the Reds had added a catcher who hits lefty, the XPaul spot could have been used. Xavier doesn't play much anyway.

Hanigan has hit better of late, but has no power at all. Maybe Mes will come around again to moot the issue.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:50 PM
Mat leads off and fans. 1 down

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:51 PM
Is the one more inning out of Latos worth not pinch hitting here?

Tough call. Latos can totally do the job when his emotions don't get the better of him and his pitch count is 82. And good to save some pen, especially Chappy. Can understand Dusty's thinking here.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:52 PM
Choo singles.

RadfordVA
09-07-2013, 03:52 PM
Tough call. Latos can totally do the job when his emotions don't get the better of him. And good to save some pen, especially Chappy. Can understand Dusty's thinking here.

Yeah was not questioning just throwing it out there. Not sure what I would do but with expanded rosters and Latos coming off complete game and allowing 9 hits so far I lean toward pulling him.

1940757690
09-07-2013, 03:53 PM
One move that might have helped the Reds is to add another catcher. Navarro would have been ideal, but would have cost.

The catching duo just hasn't hit. In Mes' case, he may be injured, there's been talk of a hamstring problem. And maybe Mes just lost it when Hanigan starting taking a number of his at bats.

If the Reds had added a catcher who hits lefty, the XPaul spot could have been used. Xavier doesn't play much anyway.

Hanigan has hit better of late, but has no power at all. Maybe Mes will come around again to moot the issue.

I'd have loved to see us pick up Kurt Suzuki when the Nats shipped him a couple of weeks ago. Stand up clubhouse guy who can hit clutch and handles pitchers decently well. But back to Oakland for him.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:54 PM
Izturis bunts foul. Choo almost picked off.

757690
09-07-2013, 03:55 PM
Dusty Baker... Mad Genius.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 03:55 PM
Izturis hits it thru the infied as Choo goes and its first and third! Hit and run special...

Matt700wlw
09-07-2013, 03:55 PM
Izturis has 2 hits.

Dusty knew something :)

Kc61
09-07-2013, 03:56 PM
I'd have loved to see us pick up Kurt Suzuki when the Nats shipped him a couple of weeks ago. Stand up clubhouse guy who can hit clutch and handles pitchers decently well. But back to Oakland for him.

mth also suggested Ryan Doumit, who may be more of a DH than a catcher on a contender. But I'm just looking for a bat to use in a game like this, against a tough righty who would give Mes/Hanigan trouble.

With all the angst over some of these hitters, the catcher's spot has really been the biggest issue statistically, compared to the rest of the league.

757690
09-07-2013, 03:57 PM
Joe Morgan and Eric Karros wanted Joey to swing at that first pitch. They don't like him walking with runners on base.

50YrRedsFan
09-07-2013, 03:57 PM
Anyone think Latos' lack of sharpness today may have something to do with that foul ball he took off his leg in BP the other day?

Doesn't seem to be. He has looked at the ground several times like he is having a problem with the landing spot.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:01 PM
Votto walks

RadfordVA
09-07-2013, 04:01 PM
This is a situation where back to back lefties pays off.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:02 PM
bases loaded, Bruce up, 1 down.

757690
09-07-2013, 04:02 PM
Karros not as hard core old school as earlier portrayed. He applauds Votto on that walk.

50YrRedsFan
09-07-2013, 04:02 PM
Bruce just not as disciplined a hitter as Votto. Swinging at 2 borderline pitches.

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 04:03 PM
damn

R_Webb18
09-07-2013, 04:03 PM
strike 3 to bruce all balls

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:04 PM
Bruce strikes out. Mighty Casey....2 down.

RadfordVA
09-07-2013, 04:04 PM
That is a dagger if Ludwick does not come through.

50YrRedsFan
09-07-2013, 04:04 PM
I don't think Bruce had a strike thrown to him there. K's on 3 out of the zone pitches.

Larkin Fan
09-07-2013, 04:07 PM
Votto obviously should have expanded his strike zone and swung st that final pitch that was 20 feet outside.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:08 PM
Lud loves the first pitch. Fouls it off. Ellis and Greinke mound visit - having trouble getting it together.

R_Webb18
09-07-2013, 04:08 PM
strike out

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:08 PM
Lud fans on a pitch in the dirt.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:08 PM
Sheesh. That could be the game.

RadfordVA
09-07-2013, 04:08 PM
Ludwick is swinging at 50% of first pitches this season. 28% is league average.

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 04:09 PM
well damn

757690
09-07-2013, 04:09 PM
Joe Morgan is telling Joey Votto, "I told you to expand the zone."

RedsManRick
09-07-2013, 04:09 PM
Joey Votto chokes again.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:09 PM
bases loaded. 1 out. hitters 4 and 5 up. both strike out. Unacceptable.

gilpdawg
09-07-2013, 04:09 PM
That last pitch to Luddy was absolute filth.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:10 PM
anyone that says that is on Votto is out of their darn mind.

757690
09-07-2013, 04:10 PM
Sheesh. That could be the game.

Dodgers will go to the pen soon. So I doubt it.

Red Buckeye
09-07-2013, 04:10 PM
I guess Ludwick and Bruce both forgot that you can get RBI's by getting walked. All of those pitches they swung and missed at weren't even close. I could tell they were balls as soon as they left Grienke's hand.

It's weird that Ludwick and Bruce couldn't. Idiotic play by those two.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:11 PM
Dodgers will go to the pen soon. So I doubt it.

Their pen is pretty darn good - not much of a dropoff.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:12 PM
well...its baseball you forget that inning and move on

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:13 PM
Choo grabs a fly and its 1 down

Matt700wlw
09-07-2013, 04:13 PM
anyone that says that is on Votto is out of their darn mind.

It has to be. He makes the most money. /sarcasm

50YrRedsFan
09-07-2013, 04:13 PM
Greinke with 8 K's in 5 innings. Reds could end the season with 6 hitters with 100 or more K's

Brutus
09-07-2013, 04:14 PM
anyone that says that is on Votto is out of their darn mind.

It was a great at-bat by Votto, and he actually did expand the zone and protect the plate several times. So yeah, I agree that is definitely not on Votto.

Philosophically, though, that is why Votto sometimes would be better served to expand the zone. The Reds just need to get the ball in play to score runs sometimes. When you have hitters four and five striking out that often, you're wasting too many opportunities.

Not at all blaming Votto. Just saying that type of situation happens too frequently with the Reds.

RiverRat13
09-07-2013, 04:14 PM
I think Greinke just stepped off again...

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:14 PM
Greinke flies to Ludwick in left 2 down

Larkin Fan
09-07-2013, 04:15 PM
well...its baseball you forget that inning and move on

Yep. When you break it all done, baseball is a game of failure. You just have to hope that in the end you fail less than the other guys.

NebraskaRed
09-07-2013, 04:15 PM
It was a great at-bat by Votto, and he actually did expand the zone and protect the plate several times. So yeah, I agree that is definitely not on Votto.

Philosophically, though, that is why Votto sometimes would be better served to expand the zone. The Reds just need to get the ball in play to score runs sometimes. When you have hitters four and five striking out that often, you're wasting too many opportunities.

Not at all blaming Votto. Just saying that type of situation happens too frequently with the Reds.

You mean the way Bruce and Ludwick just did?

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 04:16 PM
Good inning for Latos.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:16 PM
Crawford fans and 1-2-3 for Latos in 6th. Easy as pie. 94 pitches.

Brutus
09-07-2013, 04:17 PM
You mean the way Bruce and Ludwick just did?

No reason to expand the zone with the bases loaded. If they throw you balls, you score a run. Bruce could have been up 2-0 or 2-1 in the count if he lays off those pitches. I'm also not suggesting Votto should expand the zone early in the count, either. There's no reason to swing at a ball at the shins, especially on the first two pitches.

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 04:18 PM
Greinke with 8 K's in 5 innings. Reds could end the season with 6 hitters with 100 or more K's
The Atlanta Braves have 5 hitters with 100+ K's already.

RadfordVA
09-07-2013, 04:18 PM
Time to figure out when Hamilton gets his pinch running opportunity. Come on slow guys get a hit!

757690
09-07-2013, 04:18 PM
You mean the way Bruce and Ludwick just did?

Yeah, I don't remember any pitch in that Votto AB that he coils have driven for a SF. He did what he could with what he was given.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:18 PM
Yep. When you break it all done, baseball is a game of failure. You just have to hope that in the end you fail less than the other guys.

Exactly. My dad always told me the best trait in baseball is lack of memory.

Matt700wlw
09-07-2013, 04:18 PM
Maybe Greinke is a good pitcher, and it's not all on the Reds hitters

<ducks for cover>

50YrRedsFan
09-07-2013, 04:19 PM
Doesn't seem to be. He has looked at the ground several times like he is having a problem with the landing spot.

Latos had the grounds crew work on the mound between innings.

Matt700wlw
09-07-2013, 04:19 PM
Find a way to win this one, because Kershaw goes tomorrow...

Brutus
09-07-2013, 04:20 PM
Yeah, I don't remember any pitch in that Votto AB that he coils have driven for a SF. He did what he could with what he was given.

Hence the reason I said I wasn't referencing this particular at-bat, but rather philosophically.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:20 PM
No reason to expand the zone with the bases loaded. If they throw you balls, you score a run. Bruce could have been up 2-0 or 2-1 in the count if he lays off those pitches. I'm also not suggesting Votto should expand the zone early in the count, either. There's no reason to swing at a ball at the shins, especially on the first two pitches.

But you point to the obvious problem and it isn't Votto - it is Bruce and Ludwick swinging at bad pitches. They need to be more Votto, not Votto being more them.

RadfordVA
09-07-2013, 04:21 PM
Find a way to win this one, because Kershaw goes tomorrow...

Hitters are hitting .458 off Kershaw in September so not worried about him. :laugh: Sample is big enough for me.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:22 PM
Brutus - we are driving at the same thing, really. You have to find some way to score a run with a man on third and 1 out. Someone, somehow.

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 04:22 PM
productive inning

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:22 PM
Well that was quick and unimpressive half inning for the Reds.

Brutus
09-07-2013, 04:22 PM
But you point to the obvious problem and it isn't Votto - it is Bruce and Ludwick swinging at bad pitches. They need to be more Votto, not Votto being more them.

But they're not Votto. I agree in a perfect world, you'd have every hitter doing their jobs correctly. But they're not, and whether it's fair or unfair, Votto is good enough to make that kind of adjustment. They clearly aren't.

I'd rather have my best hitter making the adjustments and doing what it takes to score the runs rather than hoping the other guys do their jobs when they haven't been with any consistency.

If Votto had two more Vottos behind him, believe me, I'd be thrilled to death to have him do what he does every time up. Unfortunately though, Bruce is a feast or famine type hitter.

RadfordVA
09-07-2013, 04:24 PM
Also batters have an OPS of 1.389 when they hit line drives off Kershaw. So if we hit nothing but line drives tomorrow it should be no problem. Simple really.

Matt700wlw
09-07-2013, 04:25 PM
Also batters have an OPS of 1.389 when they hit line drives off Kershaw. So if we hit nothing but line drives tomorrow it should be no problem. Simple really.

Piece o' cake

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:25 PM
Also batters have an OPS of 1.389 when they hit line drives off Kershaw. So if we hit nothing but line drives tomorrow it should be no problem. Simple really.

LOL - you got it! Send a note to the coaches to tell the guys just hit line drives....sounds good to me

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:27 PM
Puig out 5-3

Matt700wlw
09-07-2013, 04:29 PM
Ha ha. Latos EMPHATICALLY stomps on the bag this time just to make sure

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:29 PM
AGon up. Maybe the oldest looking guy in the majors. He'd be in the conversation. JV to Latos covering. 2 down.

757690
09-07-2013, 04:30 PM
Who do you pinch hit with in the top of the inning?

Brutus
09-07-2013, 04:30 PM
Raise your hand if you thought, after the first few innings, Latos would wind up lasting seven?

50YrRedsFan
09-07-2013, 04:30 PM
Who do you pinch hit with in the top of the inning?

Pete Rose

NebraskaRed
09-07-2013, 04:31 PM
Another nice inning for Latos.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 04:31 PM
Nice 1-2-3 from Latos. Looking sharp.

Okay boys, I'm back from the store...time to smack around a pitcher in dodger blue.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:31 PM
HR grounds out 6-3. 1-2-3. 106 pitches. Should be it for Mat. Good game - 1 mistake to Puig.

Matt700wlw
09-07-2013, 04:31 PM
Pete Rose

He technically never retired.

Tom Servo
09-07-2013, 04:31 PM
Raise your hand if you thought, after the first few innings, Latos would wind up lasting seven?
Not I.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 04:32 PM
Raise your hand if you thought, after the first few innings, Latos would wind up lasting seven?

After the last 2 years....I don't doubt Mat anymore.

1940757690
09-07-2013, 04:32 PM
Raise your hand if you thought, after the first few innings, Latos would wind up lasting seven?

Uh, I did. Simply because he's done this before and has been money the past month or so.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:32 PM
Some good pitching from both starters. 5 combined runs in the first 2 innings and that is it. Both have choked off any threats with great pitching since then.

50YrRedsFan
09-07-2013, 04:33 PM
He technically never retired.

He's more than twice the age of our bench players, but can probably still hit better.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:34 PM
DRob to pinch it and Mattingly yanks Greinke and goes to the funny deliverer Paco Rodriguez - he of the goofy short arm mechanics

757690
09-07-2013, 04:34 PM
So you go all TRL and put in Heisey for DRob?

1940757690
09-07-2013, 04:35 PM
I like our chances against Kershaw and, especially against the pen that'll follow Kershaw if JV and others can grind the pitch count fast and furiously per their norm.

But, right now, totally irrelevant. I want THIS game. Whoever said time for the slow guys to single, I'm on that bus. Let's get a runner or two on and replace one with Hamilton. Need to tie this ASAP if not retake the lead.

Ironman92
09-07-2013, 04:35 PM
What's the point? Other than getting the crowd riled up, seriously what's the point? Have any of you EVER seen an ump change the ruling on the field because a manager argued? Considering Dusty's recent health status...not getting riled up for no point is probably a good idea.

He can argue.....he threw a fit that game with Joe West...didn't hurt him.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:35 PM
So you go all TRL and put in Heisey for DRob?

I'd love it. Then Mattingly could yank Rodriguez for a RH

1940757690
09-07-2013, 04:36 PM
I get the take-it-slow mentality but why not give Billy his first AB here rather than Robinson?

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:36 PM
line drive to the pitcher. 1 down.

Kc61
09-07-2013, 04:37 PM
But they're not Votto. I agree in a perfect world, you'd have every hitter doing their jobs correctly. But they're not, and whether it's fair or unfair, Votto is good enough to make that kind of adjustment. They clearly aren't.

I'd rather have my best hitter making the adjustments and doing what it takes to score the runs rather than hoping the other guys do their jobs when they haven't been with any consistency.

If Votto had two more Vottos behind him, believe me, I'd be thrilled to death to have him do what he does every time up. Unfortunately though, Bruce is a feast or famine type hitter.

I agree. This is why the whole walks/OBP allure goes overboard.

"Just get on base" only works if lots of other guys also get on base. But sometimes you can't expect lots of other guys to also get on base. So sometimes the theory doesn't translate to reality. Sometimes you need a top hitter to do something other than walk.

Seems like Votto tried there, not blaming him. But sometimes a walk doesn't do the trick.

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 04:37 PM
He can argue.....he threw a fit that game with Joe West...didn't hurt him.

I'm not saying he can't. I'm saying what's the point? Does it make the players feel better?

Ironman92
09-07-2013, 04:37 PM
Raise your hand if you thought, after the first few innings, Latos would wind up lasting seven?

Raise your hand if you thought Mike Leake had a good chance to give the best start in this series.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:37 PM
Choo against a left hander. Please walk.

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:38 PM
Choo with a single!!

_Sir_Charles_
09-07-2013, 04:38 PM
Alright! Choo with a single to start off the big inning rally. :O)

RedlegJake
09-07-2013, 04:38 PM
<bowing> sorry I doubted you Choo

Ironman92
09-07-2013, 04:40 PM
I'm not saying he can't. I'm saying what's the point? Does it make the players feel better?

It has it's place (mainly with the HP ump)....and if rarely done can fire up a team.....but I agree that arguing there was pretty much pointless.

I would go out and let him know that you watched the replay and he missed it....no biggee but being at home I hope we get the next bang bang call.

1940757690
09-07-2013, 04:40 PM
Choo against a left hander. Please walk.

Or single. We really need to find some $ for Choo.

757690
09-07-2013, 04:40 PM
Can the Reds win three scratch off tickets in one game?

Ironman92
09-07-2013, 04:41 PM
Greinke with 8 K's in 5 innings. Reds could end the season with 6 hitters with 100 or more K's

As long as one of them doesn't lead off, have a .290 OB% and strike out 100 times twice.....I'm ok with that.