Reds-vs-Brewers-09/13/2013

[PepperJack]

Reds:

Choo
Phillips
Votto
Bruce
Ludwick
Hannahan
Cozart
Mesoraco
Latos

[Kc61]

Votto and Bruce, .973 and .963, hit Lohse the best on the ballclub. Phillips at .500 and Ludwick at .285 OPS haven't. Those are the ones with some meaningful history of at bats.

With few at bats, Heisey (a HR) and Izturis (two doubles) have done well, on the bench tonight. Mes .788, Cozart .691 both playing. Choo 2 for 12. Hannahan playing, neither Frazier nor Hannahan has done much in few at bats.

Ramirez .804 in 21 at bats against Latos. In fewer at bats, good numbers for Aoki, Gomez, Segura. A number of Brewer hitters have done well v. Mat so far.
Braun only .426, but he's not around.

Aoki and Gomez with two HRs against Latos, Segura one.

Khris Davis who has hit the Reds hard is out with a wrist injury. Could be back soon, but not playing tonight. It's Aoki, Segura, Lucroy, Ramirez, Gomez, Gennett, Halton, Schafer, Lohse.

[Kc61]

Reds seem to have a distinct pitching advantage tomorrow with Bailey who has been on fire. Sunday it's Arroyo v. Gallardo, so maybe an edge to the Brew, Gallardo has been hot as well.

So tonight would be a nice game to win. Should be a tough battle. Latos has done well but not many Ks of late. Lohse can always have a good game, hasn't been hot of late.

[redssince75]

Hope I'm wrong, really really wrong, but I'm sensing it's overdue for a Latos Letdown.

[Kc61]

Hope I'm wrong, really really wrong, but I'm sensing it's overdue for a Latos Letdown.

Well, one might think so. His Ks are down this month. His ERA is good but his pitching BABIP is a very fortunate .231 in September. So while Mat has had two good games, there are some signs.

And the Brewers have hit Latos for an .870 OPS this season.

All of which probably means nothing. Depends on how his stuff is tonight more than anything.

And Lohse has a 6.55 ERA this month, a bad OPS against. 1-1 with a low ERA against Reds this year.

[RedEye]

Is Handsome Jack just starting as a reward for that homer the other day? I miss seeing Frazier and his constantly shape-shifting scruff in the lineup.

[RedEye]

Hope I'm wrong, really really wrong, but I'm sensing it's overdue for a Latos Letdown.

I hope you are tremendously, mind-bogglingly wrong about this too.

[New York Red]

Hope I'm wrong, really really wrong, but I'm sensing it's overdue for a Latos Letdown.
With only nine losses in nearly two years as a Red, I'm not sensing anything other than another strong outing.

[Ironman92]

Taking 2 out of 3 keeps you in the Central title hunt and improves your chance at the home 1 game playoff.

Also tells Nationals to just stop trying.

[50YrRedsFan]

Cubs 1-0 over Bucs, top 4

EDIT: Cubs now 3-0 over Bucs, still top 4

[BluegrassRedleg]

Thank goodness Bill Hall 2.0 isn't in the lineup for MIL.

[Larry Schuler]

Thank goodness Bill Hall 2.0 isn't in the lineup for MIL.

Or Gary Sheffield.

[Norm Chortleton]

Umm, FrancisKo has always been a strikeout artist, Creeper.

[VR]

Joey...get aggressive in the zone, please.

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds get a single from Phillips, but nothing else...out in the 1st. Brewers coming up.

[50YrRedsFan]

Aoki walks on 4 straight.....not a good start.

[50YrRedsFan]

Alvarez with a HR for PIT, now 3-1 Cubs, bot 4

EDIT: Inside the Park HR

[50YrRedsFan]

Bucs with back to back HR's, now 3-2 Cubs, bot 4

EDIT....Bucs with back to back to back HR's, now 3-3

[DocRed]

par for the course for Ludwick.....nothing suprising.

[Red Raindog]

isn't this a wonderful start?

:eek:

[50YrRedsFan]

Latos in trouble...Lucroy's double put men on 2nd and 3rd for the Brewers, 1 out

[BluegrassRedleg]

Ramirez's hands are almost in the strike zone on that pitch.

[Red Raindog]

Latos in trouble...Lucroy's double put men on 2nd and 3rd for the Brewers, 1 out

double in name only

Latos looks crazy wild now -- hbp to load them

[OnBaseMachine]

Wow, Ludwick.

"double"

[DocRed]

GOD I hate Carlos Gomez.....Latos shoulda plunked him instead.

[DocRed]

That was a terrible pitch call by Mes....

[50YrRedsFan]

The Reds offense better be on tonight.

[Red Raindog]

That was a terrible pitch call by Mes....

Latos could have shook it off

[OnBaseMachine]

Carlos Gomez has always been a sucker for the slider down and away. I don't understand throwing him an 0-2 fastball.

Lucky hit though.

[Norm Chortleton]

What a BS half-inning.

:(

[jhiller21]

That was a terrible pitch call by Mes....

Downright awful. Why not call the slider away? Gomez was swinging out of his shoes on the first two...

[DocRed]

Downright awful. Why not call the slider away? Gomez was swinging out of his shoes on the first two...

Exactly my point.....

[50YrRedsFan]

Nationals 3-1 over Phils, top 5

[kbrake]

Latos seems to be struggling a bit. He hangs a slider it is 4-0. Gomez got lucky it happens.

[Red Raindog]

Exactly my point.....

I don't disagree --- Latos should be the guy in charge is my point

[MillerTime58]

It was a good pitch to Gomez. Could've been a little higher but it wasn't bad. Gomez got lucky.

[RedsBrick]

So, the M.O. of this team lately....get behind early and see if they can come back and scratch out a win.

[jhiller21]

Mes finally calls for the slider and gets the K

[Red Raindog]

good comeback after Ludwick's poor play, Latos' wildness and some bad luck to hold it to two

[50YrRedsFan]

So, the M.O. of this team lately....get behind early and see if they can come back and scratch out a win.

They have not been very good coming from behind......they better improve on that tonight.

[Norm Chortleton]

What goes around comes around.

[DocRed]

Need a run here...Lohse looks hittable to me.

[jhiller21]

Chris Welsh: "The more hits you get the better you feel"

So eat your beans with every meal?

[Norm Chortleton]

Earth to Scooter ...

[Red Raindog]

brain cramp gets no outs --- wow

[DocRed]

Wow...thanks for not throwing to 2nd Brewers. LMFAO.

[Ironman92]

Segura was 5 feet off the bag? Lol

Spectator

[DocRed]

...and home. LOL

[Ironman92]

Reds are just getting lucky now lol

Easy force out at home.

[RedsBrick]

That was odd....but thanks!

[BluegrassRedleg]

Reds with bases loaded and no outs is almost guaranteed epic failure. Thank you, Brewers, for fielding like the Brewers.

[DocRed]

Playing the Brewers makes me realize that we aren't as bad I think we are in the fundamentals of baseball :X

[Ironman92]

Reds with bases loaded and no outs is almost guaranteed epic failure. Thank you, Brewers, for fielding like the Brewers.

Fielding was good enough....decision making awful

[Norm Chortleton]

Milwaukee = Vapor Lock capital of the world tonight

[Gallen5862]

What happened? What inning and what is the score?

[Ironman92]

Playing the Brewers makes me realize that we aren't as bad I think we are in the fundamentals of baseball :X

Absolutely....but high school teams play this inning better on defense.

[dsmith421]

Might as well face it, you're addicted to bunt.

Give away an out. Are the chances of Latos hitting into a DP really so high that you don't even give him the chance to hit a fly ball?

[Ironman92]

What happened? What inning and what is the score?

Good hit by Luddy, crapper by Hannahan.....Cozart hits it up middle and an in between hop wasn't cleanly fielded by Segura....but deflects it to Scooter. Scooter looks to 1st....then to 3rd and Segura stood 5 feet from second and was spectating which could've been a gimme out at 2nd.....bases loaded. Meso hits a 1 hopper to 3rd and instead of going home for an easy force and possible DP, replacement 3rd baseman slings it to 2nd and Meso beats out the DP.

Ugly

[Gallen5862]

Thanks Ironman92.

[OnBaseMachine]

Might as well face it, you're addicted to bunt.

Give away an out. Are the chances of Latos hitting into a DP really so high that you don't even give him the chance to hit a fly ball?

That was a real head scratcher for me too. Let him swing away with one out.

Reds have been terrible with the bases loaded lately.

[Ironman92]

Thanks Ironman92.

Always a thrill.

[RedsBrick]

Aoki....blah! That guy wears on me for some reason.

[Falcon7]

They really tried to help, but we fought em hard to hold it to 1 run.

[Ironman92]

Welsh and Kelch enamored with Latos high ERA in 1st inning....worst of 1st 6 innings, as is Lohse.

Hmmm wonder why? Maybe it's the only guaranteed inning to face every teams lead off and #3 hitter and if anyone gets on they get 2 RBI guys batting next.

And the first inning on the mound is an adjustment of sorts from the BP.

[RedlegJake]

finally made it in...

[RedlegJake]

I expected you guys to have a lead going for me ... jeepers

[BluegrassRedleg]

Fielding was good enough....decision making awful

Like my old coach used to thay (sic), "Thun, know what you're doing before the ball ith hit to you."

[Reds Freak]

Just reading over Game Day for the Pirates game. Pedro Alvarez hit an inside-the-park HR and then Pirates go ahead on a "missed catch error by pitcher Brooks Raley, assist to first baseman Anthony Rizzo. Andrew McCutchen scores." What the?

After 20 years, the baseball gods are feeling sorry for the Buccos.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Milwaukee = Vapor Lock capital of the world tonight

Guaranteed TOOTBLAN tonight?

[RedlegJake]

Segura acts like Roberto Clemente every time he plays the Reds

[Redlegs23]

Latos hasn't been too sharp the last two outings. Last Saturday was good from a runs perspective but there were a lot of hard hit balls by the Dodgers. So far tonight it's looking like more of the same.

[Red Raindog]

Might as well face it, you're addicted to bunt.

Give away an out. Are the chances of Latos hitting into a DP really so high that you don't even give him the chance to hit a fly ball?

Dusty dice - can't argue with them

[Ironman92]

Well....some on here have mentioned Aoki playing for the Reds next year....apparently Jim Kelch believes he already does as he just gave Aoki credit for Choo getting set up well to throw from CF.

Maybe all Choo's are Aoki's but not all Aoki's are Choo's......of course all Aoki's and Choo's are Suzuki's.

[RedsBrick]

Segura had that base stolen but that was just a bad throw.

[Ironman92]

Feeling a Gomez triple

[Ironman92]

Feeling a Gomez triple

Or a bloop single/RBI

[Ironman92]

Now Gomez should steal

[MillerTime58]

Remember when we owned the Brewers? Seems like it's the exact opposite now.

[RedsBrick]

Sheesh...

[Ironman92]

Good God Kelch you goof. Lol

With Gomez on 1st, Dusty calls a pitch out and Kelch says they are intentionally walking him????

Just awful.

[RedlegJake]

dibbed and nibbed to death

[RedsBrick]

Good God Kelch you goof. Lol

With Gomez on 1st, Dusty calls a pitch out and Kelch says they are intentionally walking him????

Just awful.

It can be a long season for those guys too

[Kc61]

It can be a long season for those guys too

If the Reds don't start playing better, they'll be out of their misery real soon.

[Redsfansince72]

If the Reds blow this on this road trip, Dusty and his hitting coach should be fired.. I want this team HUNGRY and they looked labored. You dont see that with the Pirates/Cardinals/Red Sox/ A's and now the Nationals are playing well.. They blow it and the Nationals get in, I as a Reds fan want zero excuses, I want accountability!!!!

[Kc61]

Wondering if Latos is healthy.

[RedlegJake]

I didn't think I would get worried about that last WC spot but I am starting too - they look ridiculously flat for a team in the last days of a pennant race. I edited to add that am a huge optimist ordinarily.

[Redsfansince72]

Wondering if Latos is healthy.

to me, the umpire is squezing him and of course no visit by Price to calm him down..

[Reds Freak]

Is there somewhere on Baseball Reference that gives you a team's come-from-behind win total? It just seems like the Reds haven't done it very successfully this year.

[Cedric]

Any team with a pulse on offense is a bad matchup for the Reds. Hate seeing the Reds vs Brewers.

[Falcon7]

And it's the weak hitting Reds showing up tonight... Oh, and the Brew Crew is a machine on Fri. The 13th games!

[Reds Freak]

If the Reds blow this on this road trip, Dusty and his hitting coach should be fired.. I want this team HUNGRY and they looked labored. You dont see that with the Pirates/Cardinals/Red Sox/ A's and now the Nationals are playing well.. They blow it and the Nationals get in, I as a Reds fan want zero excuses, I want accountability!!!!

I know it's frustrating but the Brewers have two bloops and it means the Reds are flat?

[BluegrassRedleg]

Ludwick's putting on a defensive clinic in LF tonight.

[Red Raindog]

dibbed and nibbed to death

rinse and repeat

[Redsfansince72]

thats 2 fly balls that should be caught.. whats up with Ludwick tonight?????

[OnBaseMachine]

How in the world did Ludwick not catch that? He's losing this game with his defense.

[RedlegJake]

whew...bit the bullet there

[DocRed]

Latos ain't got it 2night...

[Falcon7]

Is there somewhere on Baseball Reference that gives you a team's come-from-behind win total? It just seems like the Reds haven't done it very successfully this year.

Your correct they have not! What a horrible outfielder Luddy is!

[RedsBrick]

So, if Ludwick doesn't slow up and lays out, does he catch that ball? Would like to have seen it.

[Norm Chortleton]

Ludwick's putting on a defensive clinic in LF tonight.

Might as well put one of those pitch-back nets in LF tonight.

http://www.kidsportsinc.com/Images/Baseball/2779-fully-adjustable.jpg

[Reds Freak]

Latos ain't got it 2night...

Are you watching the game? He's given up four bloop hits.

[RedlegJake]

my feed's delayed...now I see what everyone s griping about...brother

[Kc61]

I know it's frustrating but the Brewers have two bloops and it means the Reds are flat?

"Flat" would be a compliment. I won't use the word I have in mind.

Reds are playing poorly in every phase tonight so far.

[RedsBrick]

Nice for Baker to help the team by indicating that Aoki is known to bunt.

[DocRed]

NICE play by Choo

[Redsfansince72]

heck of a catch by Choo..

[gilpdawg]

Ludwick owes Latos dinner after this crap show.

[Reds Freak]

"Flat" would be a compliment. I won't use the word I have in mind.

Reds are playing poorly in every phase tonight so far.

I'm just saying it's easy to look flat when the other team's bloops are falling and yours aren't. Does Dusty need to give more fiery pregame speeches to pump the troops up?

[DocRed]

Ludwick owes Latos dinner after this crap show.

Lobster dinner with a bottle of Dom at least.....

[50YrRedsFan]

Cubs have taken a 5-4 lead on Bucs, top 7

[Redsfansince72]

now a tough out to get.. Segura

[Falcon7]

So, if Ludwick doesn't slow up and lays out, does he catch that ball? Would like to have seen it.

No need for a layout just run to the ball!

[Ironman92]

Wondering if Latos is healthy.

He looks to be showing signs of tired....but no luck either and Ludwick has cost him two in LF

[Redsfansince72]

Lobster dinner with a bottle of Dom at least.....

Like to see Ludwick make up with a huge homerun myself!!

[Redsfansince72]

great pitching there to get out of it. now to start hitting!!

[Ironman92]

Ludwick's putting on a defensive clinic in LF tonight.

Playing it like Yonder did.

[RedsBrick]

'pen better start stirring. 73 pitches through 4.

[Ironman92]

So, if Ludwick doesn't slow up and lays out, does he catch that ball? Would like to have seen it.

Can't believe it wasn't caught in the air.

[Kc61]

I'm just saying it's easy to look flat when the other team's bloops are falling and yours aren't. Does Dusty need to give more fiery pregame speeches to pump the troops up?

I'm not in their heads, I don't know what the problem is. But there is one.

If I were the GM, I'd get a few veteran players this off-season, guys who tend to step up in big games.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Might as well put one of those pitch-back nets in LF tonight.

http://www.kidsportsinc.com/Images/Baseball/2779-fully-adjustable.jpg

And promptly consult with noted defensive guru Fred McGriff.

[Marc D]

I'm just saying it's easy to look flat when the other team's bloops are falling and yours aren't. Does Dusty need to give more fiery pregame speeches to pump the troops up?

What bloops for the Reds? Its either a K looking or a weak grounder.

It's not a big stretch of the imagination to watch one of these offensive snooze fests and not think the Reds are flat.

[RedlegJake]

getting Segura was a feat in itself - the guy is like Bill Hall used to be

[RedlegJake]

Cubs lead the Bucs, Ms lead the Cards, so far

[Red Raindog]

Lobster dinner with a bottle of Dom at least.....

in Hawaii

[dsmith421]

Great inning. Love the way these guys grind.

We're 30 games out of first, right? Because this looks like the 2008 Reds.

[Redsfansince72]

i honestly wish either Carpenter would say something to tick the Reds off, or they get into a fight to wake them up.. I cant stand how they had a day off and look like they played 60 straight games and zero energy

[RedsBrick]

From 3-0 to a backwards K...not sweet.

[Reds Freak]

What bloops for the Reds? Its either a K looking or a weak grounder.

It's not a big stretch of the imagination to watch one of these offensive snooze fests and not think the Reds are flat.

What do you mean by "flat"? They are tired of baseball? They don't want to play anymore? They have no desire to reach the postseason?

[Ironman92]

Cubs lead the Bucs, Ms lead the Cards, so far

Nats lead by 27

[Ironman92]

Ok Brewers suck.

We
Got
This

[Marc D]

What do you mean by "flat"? They are tired of baseball? They don't want to play anymore? They have no desire to reach the postseason?

Flat like the word is used every day.

They seem disinterested, listless and unfocused tonight.

[Kc61]

What do you mean by "flat"? They are tired of baseball? They don't want to play anymore? They have no desire to reach the postseason?

Try this: "not sharp."

[Redsfansince72]

come on Dusty.. send Price out!!

[RedlegJake]

What do you mean by "flat"? They are tired of baseball? They don't want to play anymore? They have no desire to reach the postseason?

If you don't see a lack of something - energy, fire, desire - call it whatever you want - I don't know what to tell you. I call it flat. They are getting beat by clearly inferior teams, second rate pitching, and making dumb mistakes several times a game. Flat.

[Reds Freak]

come on Dusty.. send Price out!!

You want to send Price out every time a guy gets on base?

[Reds Freak]

If you don't see a lack of something - energy, fire, desire - call it whatever you want - I don't know what to tell you. I call it flat. They are getting beat by clearly inferior teams, second rate pitching, and making dumb mistakes several times a game. Flat.

I call it "they've only scored one run and the other team has scored on two bloops." It's major league baseball. You're gonna lose to some crappy teams and crappy pitchers sometimes.

This thread is a bundle of joy tonight. :)

[RedsBrick]

What's with that little bat flip he just did?

[RedlegJake]

I call it "they've only scored one run and the other team has scored on two bloops." It's major league baseball. You're gonna lose to some crappy teams and crappy pitchers sometimes.

This thread is a bundle of joy tonight. :)

This offense does this all too often, though. They can explode but they are way too capable of being shut down. So flat may be wrong. Improperly constructed could be better. But the pitching I have no complaint with.

[Reds Freak]

What's with that little bat flip he just did?

He's playing with energy. The Reds are flat.

[dsmith421]

This thread is a bundle of joy tonight. :)

When the team doesn't show up, it tends to go that route.

[kaldaniels]

If the Cubs, Mariners, and Nats hold on, this is a pretty big night for the Reds.

We will either be hoping for the division or some will be fearing the Nats.

[Kc61]

I call it "they've only scored one run and the other team has scored on two bloops." It's major league baseball. You're gonna lose to some crappy teams and crappy pitchers sometimes.

This thread is a bundle of joy tonight. :)

I call it -- after following the team all year I'd like to see them play good baseball down the stretch. Tonight so far they have not.

If they come back to win, I will be joyful. Watching them lose the fifth game of eight to the Brewers in three weeks, no joy about it.

[DocRed]

Called strike 3 on Votto...what else is new?

[Redsfansince72]

what is up with Votto taking strike 3 of late??? didnt bhe talk with Pete Rose about not giving AB's away?? foul it off its better than watching strike out looking!!!

[Falcon7]

Did Votto make up the umps mind?

[RedsBrick]

What is that, 5 broken bats!

Pretty tough to watch tonight.

[RedsBrick]

Did Votto make up the umps mind?

I thought the same thing. I wonder if he says something before going through motion.

[1940757690]

Posted a day or two ago that you could expect the Nats to keep rolling this weekend with the Phils in town. Next week the Braves come into DC. Then the road trip through Phoenix and St. Louis. Shouldn't be a problem to stop the train then.

That is, unless we were to totally collapse and, I'm sorry, just don't see that happening though I know, I know...some of you are really concerned.

Cubs are up over the Bucs.

Ms are up over the Cards.

We're only down by 2. Can we get some hitting now? A little offense. A few runs? Thanks so much.

[Ironman92]

Called strike 3 on Votto...what else is new?

The ump just tossed a new baseball into the game.

[BluegrassRedleg]

This offense has been criminal to Latos for most of the season. This is not a great night for him, but not bad, either. He just can't get runs behind him.

[1940757690]

This offense has been criminal to Latos for most of the season. This is not a great night for him, but not bad, either. He just can't get runs behind him.

Totally true but, at the end of the day, Latos wants what we all want. Division championship or, at least, the PS oppy. And we'll all get that.

Nights like tonight are absolutely key if we're going to have any shot at the division.

For the love of of god, let's get some runs across the damn plate!

[Falcon7]

This offense has been criminal to Latos for most of the season. This is not a great night for him, but not bad, either. He just can't get runs behind him.

And you know he and Dallas are well aware of it...

[Kc61]

Posted a day or two ago that you could expect the Nats to keep rolling this weekend with the Phils in town. Next week the Braves come into DC. Then the road trip through Phoenix and St. Louis. Shouldn't be a problem.

That is, unless we were to totally collapse and, I'm sorry, just don't see that happening though I know, I know...some of you are really concerned.

Cubs are up over the Bucs.

Ms are up over the Cards.

We're only down by 2. Can we get some hitting now? A little offense. A few runs? Thanks so much.

I hear you and hope you're right. But where I'm not sure is that teams sometimes take on a new character down the stretch.

The Nats have been unreliable but are on fire right now. They will be 22-9 in their last games after tonight. They are playing with passion, Werth, Zimmerman are hitting big time.

Hope you're right that they will start to lose soon and the Reds will play better.

[Kc61]

Reds with fifteen consecutive outs.

[DocRed]

This team will need to win a 1 game playoff on the road to advance.

[Redsfansince72]

Dont worry, Dusty is making up his excuse list for the wonderful post game comments

[OnBaseMachine]

What a frustrating offense.

[Ironman92]

18

3 good plays by Brewers in that very low pitch count inning.

Schaffer ran through that ball like Ludwick can only dream about.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Some tough luck that inning. 2 smoked liners...snagged by the corners. :(

We'll break through.

[1940757690]

I hear you and hope you're right. But where I'm not sure is that teams sometimes take on a new character down the stretch.

The Nats have been unreliable but are on fire right now. They will be 22-9 in their last games after tonight. They are playing with passion, Werth, Zimmerman are hitting big time.

Hope you're right that they will start to lose soon and the Reds will play better.

kc, you're like my special project here. love you longtime, my friend but you worry too much.

The Nats are not going to steamroll the Braves and Cards like they have those NL titans the Fish and Mets. But, the Big Idea is this: it doesn't even matter if they run the table unless we suddenly lost a boatload of games.

So yeah, we need to "play better." Let's have a little faith they will. They have more than enough talent. They'll be fine. We'll be fine. At least into the post-season. Beyond that, no promises. Just hope.

[MillerTime58]

Are we going to lose the season series to the Brewers? Shameful if we do.

[50YrRedsFan]

No hits since Cozart's 2nd inning single. Only run on a bases loaded, no out force play.
The 2013 Reds offense. :thumbdown:

[kbrake]

Latos ranks 24th in MLB in run support. Best on the team.

[Kc61]

This team will need to win a 1 game playoff on the road to advance.

The Reds have three game series against the Astros and Mets. If the Reds want to be in any kind of playoff they will have to make hay in those series.

Anyone counting on the Reds to dominate the Pirates series is engaged in wishful thinking.

[50YrRedsFan]

Cubs 5-4 over Bucs, top 9. SEA 1-0 over STL, top 7. Wash 6-1 over PHL, final

[MillerTime58]

The Reds have three game series against the Astros and Mets. If the Reds want to be in any kind of playoff they will have to make hay in those series.

Anyone counting on the Reds to dominate the Pirates series is engaged in wishful thinking.At this point I'm more confident in playing the Pirates over the Brewers to be honest.

[DocRed]

PATHETIC effort by Latos to keep the runner close.....

[Ironman92]

Meso trying too hard to get that call

[1940757690]

Ray Knight, who does color commentary and analysis for Washington, was just on after the Nats finished beating up on Philadelphia for their 7th in a row. Probably wil get an 8th tomorrow.

Ray was talking about the Cards, the Bucs and us. Trying to rile up Nats fans that IT could happen.

He works for MASN, owned by Peter Angelos and with the exclusive broadcast rights to both Nats and O's games. It's totally understandable that's what he'd be babbling about. Ratings and all that.

I watch the two teams side-by-side when on simultaneously like tonight. I'll be at a couple of the games in this last homestand. Can report back here but, really, don't sweat it.

Reds Rule. We Will Be Fine.

[Ironman92]

I clocked Jean Segura home to first in 3.58

Fastest I've timed all year.

[Kc61]

115 pitches for Mat. This is Latos' last batter. Full count to Lucroy.

[MillerTime58]

I clocked Jean Segura home to first in 3.58

Fastest I've timed all year.Should have asterisk since Billy Hamilton hasn't gotten to run from home to first.

[Falcon7]

Should have asterisk since Billy Hamilton hasn't gotten to run from home to first.

Yes he has.

[1940757690]

Cubbies on the verge of closing out the Bucs bottom 9.

LOVING THAT!

And, even more incredibly (at least to me), The Ms are still up 1-0 now top 8.

I'd really, really, like to see us equalize and win this since we make up some real ground. But, if we don't, no sky will fall.

[50YrRedsFan]

Cubs 5 - Pirates 4, Final

[RedsBrick]

I hope the first thing Dusty said to Latos was, "Sorry Matty, that the O has been anemic tonight"!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Yes he has.

When? In the bigs, that is.

[1940757690]

Cubs Win! We gain another .5 on the Bucs.

SEA/STL final to follow.

[1940757690]

C'mon JJ!!

[_Sir_Charles_]

*sigh* 4 pitch walk. bases jacked.

[DocRed]

WT* Hoover..

[Tom Servo]

Well, that's un-Hoover like. 4 pitch walk. Not good.

[Red Raindog]

I hope the first thing Dusty said to Latos was, "Sorry Matty, that the O has been anemic tonight"!

let's hope it's not - man that bullpen sucked for us tonight

[Marc D]

Great work Hoover

[Tom Servo]

welp, ball game.

[Falcon7]

When? In the bigs, that is.

Grounded out to SS a couple days ago, Tues. I think.

[1940757690]

Need to get this final out.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bad news bears on that play. 5-1 Brewers.

[50YrRedsFan]

ballgame:thumbdown:

[DocRed]

Game over

[joshua]

That was just awful for everybody involved.

[MillerTime58]

When it rains, it pours.

[powersackers]

Choo just made me throw up in my mouth

[RedsBrick]

I just don't get the letting up by the outfielders tonight.

[Falcon7]

Go for the DARN ball one time Choo!!

[1940757690]

Bad news bears on that play. 5-1 Brewers.

Crap. Not cool. But I still blame the O entirely for this loss IF they can't get it together.

Latos is beside himself in the dugout. Don't have be a lip reader to read the profanity spewing from his mouth.

[Stray]

Nats gonna be 4.5 back if we can't win tonight.

[BluegrassRedleg]

MIL in September = Redleg house of horrors

[RedsBrick]

let's hope it's not - man that bullpen sucked for us tonight

Well, there you have it

[Redsfansince72]

why the heck wasnt he charging that and making the catch? he got Ludwickitis all of a sudden??? This teams focus drive me crazy as a fan.. And it all points back at the lack of Coaching and the unaccountability this team has..

[_Sir_Charles_]

Grounded out to SS a couple days ago, Tues. I think.

My bad. I missed that game.

[Norm Chortleton]

Good night, everyone.

[Kc61]

Crap. Not cool. But I still blame the O entirely for this loss IF they can't get it together.

Latos is beside himself in the dugout. Don't have be a lip reader to read the profanity spewing from his mouth.

If you blame the O entirely, then we have nothing to discuss. Two big misplays in the outfield costing four runs. Matters.

[Red Raindog]

Well, there you have it

so it seems --- but it might be both -- bad O & bad bullpen --- and bad D in the OF

[Redsfansince72]

they wonder why the attendance isnt great? the Fans know Dusty doesnt have discipline..zero accountability and the focus of this team looks like a team waiting for the season to end.. thats NOTt CHAMPIONSHIP baseball

[xsteve1]

Reds are now beating the good teams but losing to the bad one's. Baseball is a game I don't think anybody can figure out.

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds outfield defense gave up four runs tonight.

[Ironman92]

Should have asterisk since Billy Hamilton hasn't gotten to run from home to first.

Yes he has and I got him at 3.68

[RedsBrick]

so it seems --- but it might be both -- bad O & bad bullpen --- and bad D in the OF

yep, the hat trick!

[lidspinner]

I don't even know what to say about that....fundamentally you are supposed to lay out for that ball, 2 outs and your down you have to attempt to catch that....worse case is a bases clearing triple and best case is your out of the inning...who is teaching these guys how to play the ball? That's high school baseball stuff.

[MillerTime58]

The most frustrating losses this year have come in Milwaukee it seems like. Of course the granddaddy of them all was when Gomez robbed Votto of a winning HR. This one isn't far behind though.

[Ironman92]

No way does Choo get to that ball by diving.

[Red Raindog]

Reds outfield defense gave up four runs tonight.

as much as I've liked Choo's O -- his D has given me gas

[Kc61]

Reds outfield defense gave up four runs tonight.

If Choo is going to play CF like that, he might be wise to sign an AL contract next year.

Disgusting ballgame for the Reds.

[Falcon7]

why the heck wasnt he charging that and making the catch? he got Ludwickitis all of a sudden??? This teams focus drive me crazy as a fan.. And it all points back at the lack of Coaching and the unaccountability this team has..

He always pulls up on those, 2nd time tonight.

[MillerTime58]

Yes he has and I got him at 3.68my bad, didn't know he has! That's what I get for turning off the blowout game against the cubs

[1940757690]

If you blame the O entirely, then we have nothing to discuss. Two big misplays in the outfield costing four runs. Matters.

Of course true about the D and Hoover but all that gets amplified when you don't score. It has to be okay for a pitcher to give up a couple of runs, not have his best stuff or an error to be made.

When you score 0 or 1 run, it just puts too much pressure on everyone else. So, maybe not "entirely" but surely Problem #1 for this game...so far.

[DocRed]

Pathetic effort once again..

[Ironman92]

No way does Choo get to that ball by diving.

I love OF, was a former OF and while I wish Choo goes all out lay out for that ball.....I've replayed and slow mo'd it 3 times and 100% believe that he does not get to that ball.....but again, why not go for it????

Cutch made a better all out catch the other night in crunch time.

[1940757690]

Really weak 8th for our bats. Really weak.

[Falcon7]

No way does Choo get to that ball by diving.

Or any fly ball hit in front of him, right...

[Ironman92]

He always pulls up on those, 2nd time tonight.

The 1st one was less catchable (by Choo)

[1940757690]

And, Cards have equalized in the 8th at Seattle. 1-1.

[oneupper]

Just got in. Lots of comments here. Why did Latos throw 120 pitches?

[Stray]

This team can go through some offensive funks.

[Ironman92]

Just got in. Lots of comments here. Why did Latos throw 120 pitches?

Woulda been out at 110 but Dusty knew Latos was a bulldog.....Dusty pulled doggy at 120....Latos was ticked still. Ump hasn't been generous with zone and some bleeders added to pitch count.

[Gizmo]

Brewers dink and dunking their way to victory today. The Reds have had seemingly better struck balls for the most part, but right at people, whereas the Brewers have 4 of 5 runs on bleeders and bloops. Disgusting, but hope it's out of their system after tonight.

[powersackers]

Team lays an egg in a pennant race and announcers spend an entire inning discussing the weather, domes and golf.

[oregonred]

Logan tossing some flammable liquids onto the field. Man is that dude a gas can.

[oregonred]

Reds outfield defense gave up four runs tonight.

The Reds team speed and defense continues to go downhill even as the starting pitching is now better than 2010.

The 7th inning play by Choo in CF was simply a comedy of errors. Bad read, no dive, ball skips away, followed by a bad throw into second.

As Frazier makes a nice dive on a bunt attempt.

Cards tied the Mariners 1-1 :thumbdown:

[Kc61]

Brewers dink and dunking their way to victory today. The Reds have had seemingly better struck balls for the most part, but right at people, whereas the Brewers have 4 of 5 runs on bleeders and bloops. Disgusting, but hope it's out of their system after tonight.

Let's not make it sound like just a lucky Brewer win.

The Reds have four base runners in eight full innings.
The Brewers have five runs on nine hits

This isn't a close game, the Reds have been badly outplayed in all facets of the game.

Hopefully this is rock bottom and the Reds start coming back tomorrow.

[Falcon7]

The 1st one was less catchable (by Choo)

Can you remember one time that he charged a fly ball hit in front of him all out and made a shoestring or diving catch, or even an attempt. I guess they are all uncatchable...

[kbrake]

Down 4 runs and BP makes an out without seeing a strike.

[oregonred]

Can Lohse get the complete game with 100 pitches or less. Trending to about 105 now.

[Kc61]

The Reds team speed and defense continues to go downhill even as the starting pitching is now better than 2010.

The 7th inning play by Choo in CF was simply a comedy of errors. Bad read, no dive, ball skips away, followed by a bad throw into second.

As Frazier makes a nice dive on a bunt attempt.

Cards tied the Mariners 1-1 :thumbdown:

Yes, the Reds have become a station to station type team. Very little speed and athleticism. Has to change for next season.

[Ironman92]

As lucky as Gomez has been, the next batter Gennett has been as unlucky.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Mullane'd by Lohse. Rude.

[oregonred]

Yes, the Reds have become a station to station type team. Very little speed and athleticism. Has to change for next season.

Station to Station with only one HR bat (Bruce).

IMO, big issue of concern.

Issue #2 behind trying to get Latos/Bailey/Leake locked up past 2014/2015.

They'll have some interesting decisions to make when Choo leaves as a FA, can't have two sub par defensive OF's going into 2014.

[Tom Servo]

We're bad again. Reds gotta win the next two.

[1940757690]

Bruce walks. The comeback is on?

Nah, didn't think so either. Luddy ends the misery with a weak grounder.

Positive awful game. One game.

Tomorrow has to be better.

[DocRed]

Weak..

[oregonred]

Brewers/Cubs playing the role well of the Reds teams from the Lost Decade. That was the only late season excitement back in those days - winning 3 of 4 from the contending Cubs in the late season.

Reds now 2-5 in the last seven games vs. the Brew-ha-has

[WVRedsFan]

That's a wrap. They teased us with St Louis and LA and fall on their face against the Cubs and Brewers. Have mercy.

[1940757690]

Cards/Ms going to extras. Matt Adams didn't homer bottom 9 for a change, making the final out.

My weekend wish? An analogy.

That as the Brewers are to the Reds, the Ms will be to the RedBirds.

[Ironman92]

Can you remember one time that he charged a fly ball hit in front of him all out and made a shoestring or diving catch, or even an attempt. I guess they are all uncatchable...

The first one definitely was un catchable for him.

I agree as he never lays out a la Andruw Jones, Marlon Byrd or really many/most CF/OF....he does slide a lot to make catches but some require the little extra the full dive gives you.

Jay Bruce and Chris Heisey make every one of those catches.

Stubbs always killed me making zero diving catches and maybe 3-5 sliding catches in close to 500 games.

Wasn't their night and Brewers deserved the win more.

[oregonred]

That's a wrap. They teased us with St Louis and LA and fall on their face against the Cubs and Brewers. Have mercy.

Cards/Dodgers gave us a glimpse, time to put up or shut up with the next five against the Brewers and Astros.

Lack of focus and team leadership. Really three pitiful efforts in the last four games since the season's shining bright spot of last weekend.

[WVRedsFan]

Reds outscored 23-18 over last 7 games. Average score is 3.3 - 2.6 in favor of the opposition.

[Mutaman]

39,000 to watch a team playing out the string. Milwaukee's a good baseball town.

[oregonred]

39,000 to watch a team playing out the string. Milwaukee's a good baseball town.

The retractable seems to have worked well in bad weather Milwaukee along with moving over to the NL to form a huge natural rivalry with the Cubs.

Before 2001 the Brewers drew over 2M once in their history and Milwaukee was largely a baseball wasteland. Even 2002/2003 they were well below 2M in the new park.

Milwaukee is a good candidate to see the attendance plummet over the next couple of seasons. They are riding the season ticket wave from some good years pre-2012 and living the Ryan Braun lie.

Anyone notice the Mariners couldn't draw 10,000 the other night?

[Mutaman]

The retractable seems to have worked well in bad weather Milwaukee along with moving over to the NL to form a huge natural rivalry with the Cubs.

Before 2001 the Brewers drew over 2M once in their history and Milwaukee was largely a baseball wasteland. Even 2002/2003 they were well below 2M in the new park.

Milwaukee is a good candidate to see the attendance plummet over the next couple of seasons. They are riding the season ticket wave from some good years pre-2012 and living the Ryan Braun lie.



Wisconsin folks didn't take kindly to seeing the Braves steal out of town in the 60s, and it took a long long time for them to warm up to the Brewers. And Milwuakee was never an American League city. Plus the weather was always a factor until the new stadium was built. Baseball is not a cold weather game.