9/16/2013 Reds v. Astros

[NebraskaRed]

Reds:
Choo 8
Phillips 4
Votto 3
Bruce 9
Ludwick DH
Frazier 5
Cozart 6
Hanigan 2
Heisey 7
Cueto RHP

Astros:
Tanner Boyle
Timmy Lupus
Amanda Whurlitzer
Ahmad Abdul Rahim
Kelly Leak
Miguel Aguilar/Jose Aguilar
Alfred Ogilvie
Rudi Stein
Toby Whitewood
Mike Engelberg

[TOBTTReds]

Totally forgot about the DH this week. I would have put Billy out in CF and let Choo get a "day off" by being the DH. Oh well, at least Ludwick is the DH.

[NebraskaRed]

Totally forgot about the DH this week. I would have put Billy out in CF and let Choo get a "day off" by being the DH. Oh well, at least Ludwick is the DH.

I did too. It took me a second to realize why Ludwick and Heisey were both in the game.

[texasdave]

I would feel a lot more confident if the Reds' Designated Hitter was Pernell Whitaker.

A late scratch to the Astros' lineup. Mattress Mac will be leading off. He will 'Save you money'. A Houston institution.

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[New York Red]

Oh wow, didn't realize Cueto was starting so soon. This should be interesting. Glad it's against the Lastros.

[klw]

Reds:

Astros:
Tanner Boyle
Timmy Lupus
Amanda Whurlitzer
Ahmad Abdul Rahim
Kelly Leak
Miguel Aguilar/Jose Aguilar
Alfred Ogilvie
Rudi Stein
Toby Whitewood
Mike Engelberg

Let them play! Let them Play!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq4gK8PkKNM

[Mutaman]

Let them play! Let them Play!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq4gK8PkKNM

Seeing Bill Devane makes me want to go buy some gold. He was truly outstanding in the incredible movie "Rolling Thunder". Not bad in a brief (very brief) appearance in the terrific "Payback".

[757690]

Glad to see Cueto back, but I have a bad feeling about this. He's had problems every time he's tried to come back this season.

[New York Red]

Glad to see Cueto back, but I have a bad feeling about this. He's had problems every time he's tried to come back this season.
Hasn't he changed his delivery this time? I think I heard that on the radio over the weekend. That's what I'm most interested in seeing. Can he still be the same pitcher, using a different delivery.

[NebraskaRed]

Let them play! Let them Play!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq4gK8PkKNM

I was hoping someone would get the connection.

That second Bad News Bears movie is not even close to the first one, but it's a masterpiece compared to that horrible third one.

[gilpdawg]

Glad to see Cueto back, but I have a bad feeling about this. He's had problems every time he's tried to come back this season.

Yeah, but he's been out for almost 3 months at this point, compared to just a few weeks the other times. If he's not ready now he won't be back until spring anyway, so it's a low risk, high reward situation. I honestly believe an effective Cueto and Marshall makes the Reds maybe not the favorite, but right up there to win the pennant if they can get past the coin flip game.

[kbrake]

This thread could get scary if this game doesn't go well.

[klw]

This thread could get scary if this game doesn't go well.

Scary as a Reds Holloween bucket

http://images.footballfanatics.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=%2fproductImages%2f_1019000%2fff_1019 053_xl.jpg&w=400

Or a trick or treating Mr. Redlegs
http://costumepop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/MeyerHalloween09-450x600.jpg

Or whatever this is:
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/mp/00/74/65/07/12/0074650712671_P255075_500X500.jpg

or Reds rookies on parade
http://www.ballhawk.com/RedsRookies.JPG

[BluegrassRedleg]

Cueto after 2nd inning...

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/bnb3_1091484265.jpg

[MillerTime58]

I'm gonna miss the Astros next year :/

[kbrake]

klw those pictures were more frightening as you went. Well done.

[powersackers]

I honestly don't know if I have the stomach for this game. We are the 8th best team in baseball, limping into the "playoffs" on a wing and a prayer.

[757690]

Tonight well finally see if the Reds should have traded Cueto, Votto and Bruce for Eric Bedard.

[RollyInRaleigh]

Man, the Reds could've had Erik Bedard if..........nahhh.

[Matt700wlw]

Bedard will probably tie them in knots.

[RedlegJake]

I've heard of Altuve and Bedard. I think I may have heard of Carter.

[RedsBrick]

Bedard will probably tie them in knots.

You're probably right. Low 90's fastball to low 70's off speed.

[MillerTime58]

Windup looks the same to my untrained eye.

[NebraskaRed]

despite worrying that Cueto is going to hurt himself yet again. it is great-o to see Cueto on the mound again.

[MillerTime58]

despite worrying that Cueto is going to hurt himself yet again. it is great-o to see Cueto on the mound again.Agreed, good to see Johnny Baseball! :P

[RedlegJake]

quick K...good looking change to get started

[RedlegJake]

Altuve infield single

[Kc61]

I really can't believe the Reds are starting Cueto and Reynolds both in this series.

They must have a lot more confidence than me in making the playoffs.

[RedlegJake]

Trevor Crowe...echo from the past

[Tadasimha]

Tailor made DP

[NebraskaRed]

Nice, semi-quick inning there.

[RedlegJake]

I thought Crowe was out of baseball...well....he IS in Houston...but yeah...long time ago he was a big prospect

[MillerTime58]

I really can't believe the Reds are pitching Cueto and Reynolds both in this series.

They must have a lot more confidence than me in making the playoffs.It's a really good strategy because it delays everyone else, allowing for more starts for Latos/Bailey against the Pirates. As it stood before, combined they were going to make 1 total start in the 6 games...not good.

[Ironman92]

Cueto looks good early.

[RedlegJake]

Ludwick, overswinging, way ahead, strikes out

[VR]

At least they avoided the dreaded double play twice in a row.

[RollyInRaleigh]

Lot of deception with Bedard.

[RedlegJake]

Frazier Ks. Bedard having it mostly his way so far.

[Tadasimha]

Cozart!

[RedlegJake]

Bruce steals without a throw

[NebraskaRed]

Coooooooooooooozart!

[RollyInRaleigh]

Not foolin' Cozart!

[RedsBrick]

Atta boy, Zach!

[RedlegJake]

Cozart has Minute Made!

[RollyInRaleigh]

Hannigan has really regressed at the plate this season.

[RedlegJake]

BTW, Jay Bruce ties Billy for steals...Bruce can run

[mbgrayson]

Good example of a couple valuable Ks, instead of 6-4-3s.

[NebraskaRed]

San Diego has something interesting going on in Pittsburgh.

[Kc61]

Good example of a couple valuable Ks, instead of 6-4-3s.

I don't get this K thing. Ok, a K can sometimes do less damage.

So is a hitter supposed to K on purpose?

Whatever, just think the whole thing is academic. A guy gets up there to hit or walk, nobody get up there to K.

Man on second for the Astros.

[RedsBrick]

Marty hammering Dusty a bit

[Redsfansince72]

What is Marty saying?

[RedlegJake]

Cueto with a BIG smile after that is caught

[Kc61]

San Diego has something interesting going on in Pittsburgh.

Padres lead 1-0 in the seventh, two men on.

Won't say what the Pirates are doing in this game.

Now 2-0 Pads.

[Tadasimha]

Padres lead 1-0 in the seventh, two men on.

Won't say what the Pirates are doing in this game.

2-0 now, still two on

[RedsBrick]

What is Marty saying?

Talking about 'must win' games in the next few series. Said he mentioned that to Dusty on the radio show. Dusty said, "wait a minute. I don't like those words, 'must win', 'need to win' because it puts too much pressure on my players." Marty saying if you're worrying about putting pressure on these players you've got big problems.

[kaldaniels]

Padres lead 1-0 in the seventh, two men on.

Won't say what the Pirates are doing in this game.

Now 2-0 Pads.

Must be their annual September tradition.

[MillerTime58]

I don't get this K thing. Ok, a K can sometimes do less damage.

So is a hitter supposed to K on purpose?

Whatever, just think the whole thing is academic. A guy gets up there to hit or walk, nobody get up there to K.

Man on second for the Astros.A hitter is supposed to wait for a pitch that he can hit hard. Another result of this approach (the most optimal) is more strikeouts. But since strikeouts are statistically no worse than any other type of out, it matters not.

[RedlegJake]

A hitter is supposed to wait for a pitch that he can hit hard. Another result of this approach (the most optimal) is more strikeouts. But since strikeouts are statistically no worse than any other type of out, it matters not.

Lets not get into that gain...around and around...Ludwick's AB was an example of overswinging trying to hit too hard...there is a limit to everything

[WVRedsFan]

Slooow tonight. Guess we don't want to put pressure on the team...:)

[Tadasimha]

Rockies up 1-0 on the Cards, bottom of the 1st, still batting

[kaldaniels]

Well I'm encouraged.

[MillerTime58]

I agree with Marty on this. I'm pretty sure if these guys made it to the big leagues, they are mentally equipped to deal with pressure and expectations. If not, then idk what they're doing in the big leagues.

[Tadasimha]

Nicely fielded by Cueto

[kaldaniels]

I agree with Marty on this. I'm pretty sure if these guys made it to the big leagues, they are mentally equipped to deal with pressure and expectations. If not, then idk what they're doing in the big leagues.

Big leaguers can still get caught up pressing sometimes.

No need to allow a chance of that happening if you don't have to.

[Kc61]

I agree with Marty on this. I'm pretty sure if these guys made it to the big leagues, they are mentally equipped to deal with pressure and expectations. If not, then idk what they're doing in the big leagues.

Trying to strike out?

Cueto is doing well so far. Hope he keeps it up and they have a good sense how far to push him.

[RedsBrick]

I agree with Marty on this. I'm pretty sure if these guys made it to the big leagues, they are mentally equipped to deal with pressure and expectations. If not, then idk what they're doing in the big leagues.

Completely agree. I'm not even sure what Dusty's saying. Of course, that happens frequently.

[RedlegJake]

Tabata just broke it up to start the 7th

[Kc61]

Completely agree. I'm not even sure what Dusty's saying. Of course, that happens frequently.

He's saying that he doesn't like to overemphasize any one game to his players. Some might react by putting pressure on themselves.

Marty is saying that the players know how critical the game is so, if they are going to feel pressure, the manager's words won't make much difference.

They both are correct IMO.

[RedlegJake]

Now I can turn off the in-screen, track the score and just watch this game. Woulda loved to see them get no-noed, though.

[kaldaniels]

Should have choked up and rolled over on one.

[LexRedsFan]

Why did Ludwick stop?

Fundamentals. (I'm not complaining about the play, don't get me wrong. Just baffled.)

[mbgrayson]

Well, Ludwick was the designated hitter, not runner.

[MillerTime58]

Big leaguers can still get caught up pressing sometimes.

No need to allow a chance of that happening if you don't have to.Then I guess the Reds players should be thankful they aren't playing in front of the NY media.

[kaldaniels]

That was on Cozart Welsh.

[RedsBrick]

He's saying that he doesn't like to overemphasize any one game to his players. Some might react by putting pressure on themselves.

Marty is saying that the players know how critical the game is so, if they are going to feel pressure, the manager's words won't make much difference.

They both are correct IMO.

Thanks. I was kidding.

But since you brought it up, nothing wrong with emphasizing a single game. Nothing wrong with players feeling urgency, either. Isn't that playoff baseball? Might as well get used to it. A weakness in Dusty, but that's just my opinion.

[Norm Chortleton]

TOOTBLAN

[Falcon7]

No slide for Bruce! So sick of this crap!

[kbrake]

What happened?

[kaldaniels]

That was on Cozart Welsh.

Or to be fair Ludwick could have made it to third, but Cozart needs to track Ludwick.

[Red Buckeye]

Does anyone else see that HUGE fat guy sitting directly behind and just to the left of the catcher? Wow! And he is chowin' down on ice cream!

[NebraskaRed]

4 RBIs for Cozart in 4 innings. I'll forgive him for making a baserunning mistake.

[Falcon7]

That was on Cozart Welsh.

Depends on what Berry was doing...

[mbgrayson]

What happened?

Cozart got a bases loaded single. Votto scored, Bruce came home from 2nd and didn't slide: luckily catcher dropped the ball. Ludwick was half way to third, Cozart half way to second, Ludwick got tagged out by the catcher, while Cozart made it to 2nd.

[Kc61]

Thanks. I was kidding.

But since you brought it up, nothing wrong with emphasizing a single game. Nothing wrong with players feeling urgency, either. Isn't that playoff baseball? Might as well get used to it. A weakness in Dusty, but that's just my opinion.

I think Dusty means the big game is obvious and he doesn't want to overdo the pressure. Seems fair to me.

I've been in pressure positions at work and we generally don't say to each other, hey this is high pressure.

The most important thing is that Cozart has four RBIs tonight and the Reds are winning. Let's win and worry about the psychology afterwards.

[Tadasimha]

4 RBIs for Cozart in 4 innings. I'll forgive him for making a baserunning mistake.

Ludwick went too far, not Cozart (at least, that's what it looked like to me)

[mbgrayson]

Does anyone else see that HUGE fat guy sitting directly behind and just to the left of the catcher? Wow! And he is chowin' down on ice cream!

Is that a man or a woman?

[Red Buckeye]

He's in a green shirt. Dude looks like he's taking up two seats:eek:

[Kc61]

Players often go for that extra base hoping to draw the throw. That way the run scores without a play at the plate.

Of course, you usually avoid running to a base that is occupied.

[redssince75]

Good example of a couple valuable Ks, instead of 6-4-3s.

And Frazier just showed the other side of this coin, striking out with 0 outs and the bases loaded is definitely worse than any other kind of out.

[Kc61]

And Frazier just showed the other side of this coin, striking out with 0 outs and the bases loaded is definitely worse than any other kind of out.

Why? He could have hit into a triple play. Didn't somebody say Ks can be "optimal?"

[kaldaniels]

Ludwick went too far, not Cozart (at least, that's what it looked like to me)

Ludwick never got 10 ft past 2nd before Zach forced his hand.

[NebraskaRed]

I did enjoy hearing a breathless Marty run back to the microphone to complain about the out but remain silent about the 2 runs scored.

[Red Buckeye]

Is that a man or a woman?

Man. They showed him zoomed in in the top of the 4th

[Tadasimha]

Ludwick never got 10 ft past 2nd before Zach forced his hand.

He was half way between 2nd and 3rd

[mbgrayson]

And Frazier just showed the other side of this coin, striking out with 0 outs and the bases loaded is definitely worse than any other kind of out.

The K wasn't good, mind you. But it was still only one out, and after the AB there was still a chance for a sac fly or fielder's choice to score a run. (Or a single to score two runs!)

Had Frazier hit into a 6-4-3, (or worse: a 6-2-3), there could have been two outs, and either one or zero runs in.

[kaldaniels]

He was half way between 2nd and 3rd

Someone back me up here.

On the wide shot Luddy was 10 ft off second as Cozart was sprinting toward 2nd halfway there.

[Kc61]

Bruce forgot the outs, LOL.

Cueto continues to do well.

[Reds Freak]

Did Dusty or anyone mention a pitch count for Cueto? I gotta think they'll stick to about 75-80?

[Kc61]

The K wasn't good, mind you. But it was still only one out, and after the AB there was still a chance for a sac fly or fielder's choice to score a run. (Or a single to score two runs!)

Had Frazier hit into a 6-4-3, (or worse: a 6-2-3), there could have been two outs, and either one or zero runs in.

Yes. Right.

But since Frazier was going to try and hit the ball; and wasn't going to strike out on purposes; and was seeking contact or a walk; what difference does it make?

Even if a K is sometimes better, nobody tries for one, nor should he. The objective should be solid contact or a walk. Not a K. Whole argument is academic.

[Falcon7]

Someone back me up here.

On the wide shot Luddy was 10 ft off second as Cozart was sprinting toward 2nd halfway there.

About half way between is what I saw.

[mbgrayson]

Someone back me up here.

On the wide shot Luddy was 10 ft off second as Cozart was sprinting toward 2nd halfway there.
Half way. Sorry.

[NebraskaRed]

Bye bye Bedard.

[Kc61]

Pads lead Bucs 2-0 in the ninth. Cards trail Rockies 1-0 in the third.

[RedsBrick]

I think Dusty means the big game is obvious and he doesn't want to overdo the pressure. Seems fair to me.

I've been in pressure positions at work and we generally don't say to each other, hey this is high pressure.

The most important thing is that Cozart has four RBIs tonight and the Reds are winning. Let's win and worry about the psychology afterwards.

Big projects, important assignments, pulling through a sale with a big account...important things for every employer/employee are usually emphasized and not treated as the usual fair, without overtly discussing the pressure.

It would've been ok for Dusty to say, "yeah, we've got some big games coming up...we still have a shot at the division, we need to play well." And maybe he said something like that, I don't know. Marty chose not to disclose that part of the discussion, if so.

It's ok to discuss stuff like this now, I'm fine....I'm not really playing the game, just chattin' about it.

[kaldaniels]

Fair enough on the Ludwick play guys, I'm out numbered. I accidentally turned the channel so I can't post a pic of it off my DVR.

I'd love to see a shot of Ludwick halfway if any one can.

[RedlegJake]

Fair enough on the Ludwick play guys, I'm out numbered. I accidentally turned the channel so I can't post a pic of it off my DVR.

I'd love to see a shot of Ludwick halfway if any one can.

If you replay it on MLB he is clearly, clearly halfway between the bags

[Norm Chortleton]

How many times do you see a guy forget how many outs there are on defense and then come up and drive in 2 runs in the next half inning?

[mbgrayson]

Fair enough on the Ludwick play guys, I'm out numbered. I accidentally turned the channel so I can't post a pic of it off my DVR.

I'd love to see a shot of Ludwick halfway if any one can.

If we already 'won' because you are outnumbered, why should we post a photo? :D

[Tadasimha]

Is a half-asleep nun in the upper deck good luck or bad luck?

6-0

Bad luck, obviously, for the 'stros.

[Kc61]

Big projects, important assignments, pulling through a sale with a big account...important things for every employer/employee are usually emphasized and not treated as the usual fair, without overtly discussing the pressure.

It would've been ok for Dusty to say, "yeah, we've got some big games coming up...we still have a shot at the division, we need to play well." And maybe he said something like that, I don't know. Marty chose not to disclose that part of the discussion, if so.

It's ok to discuss stuff like this now, I'm fine....I'm not really playing the game, just chattin' about it.

It's a matter of tone. You don't want to set a tone of high pressure; just a sense of importance. I trust Baker to set the proper tone.

Reds now by 6, keep pouring it on. Then Cueto can come out after a reasonable number of pitches.

I sense that Ludwick can use a day off.

[RedlegJake]

That was keystone coppish but they made the play

[Ironman92]

Great play by Altuve

[NebraskaRed]

Hopefully Altuve didn't get hurt on that play, but his leg looked like it was bending in 3 directions at once.

[NebraskaRed]

San Diego brought Cashner back out in the bottom of the 9th. Hopefully they don't regret that decision.

[Roy Tucker]

Altuve may be verticallly challenged, but i'd take him on my team.

The Astros really suck.

[PuffyPig]

Someone back me up here.

On the wide shot Luddy was 10 ft off second as Cozart was sprinting toward 2nd halfway there.

You are correct. Ludwick could have easily got back to 2nd if Cozart was barreling into 2nd.

[kaldaniels]

Halfway guys? Ludwick never advanced further than where he is in this horrible picture, and you can see Zach forcing his hand.

http://i44.tinypic.com/1i3it.jpg

[Kc61]

Heisey plays really great left field.

[NebraskaRed]

Pirates lose.

[Roy Tucker]

So, how many of you are toggling between this game and the Bengals-Steelers game?

[armybrat45103]

Ludwick was 10 feet off the base. This was on Cozart, as usual!!!!

[RedlegJake]

final Padres win 2-0

[Falcon7]

Hopefully Altuve didn't get hurt on that play, but his leg looked like it was bending in 3 directions at once.

His legs are not long enough to bend 3 different ways...

[NebraskaRed]

Ludwick was 10 feet off the base. This was on Cozart, as usual!!!!

What was, the 2-run homer? The 2 run single?

[Kc61]

Ludwick was 10 feet off the base. This was on Cozart, as usual!!!!

Guy has a homer, four RBI, plays great SS. Let's give him a break.

[Kc61]

I know we want Cueto to get a win, but it's time to get Simon ready in the bullpen.

[armybrat45103]

Guy has a homer, four RBI, plays great SS. Let's give him a break.

And runs the bases like a deer caught in headlights.

[Tadasimha]

Ludwick was 10 feet off the base. This was on Cozart, as usual!!!!

Just re-watched the play on mlb.tv - Ludwick goes halfway to 3rd

[VR]

LJ Hoes. It's just too easy on that one.

[Ironman92]

Halfway guys? Ludwick never advanced further than where he is in this horrible picture, and you can see Zach forcing his hand.

http://i44.tinypic.com/1i3it.jpg

That pic is hard on my sinuses

[kaldaniels]

Just re-watched the play on mlb.tv - Ludwick goes halfway to 3rd

http://i44.tinypic.com/1i3it.jpg

[armybrat45103]

Just re-watched the play on mlb.tv - Ludwick goes halfway to 3rd

Am watching the game. He went about 10 feet and stopped. You are wrong my friend.

[Kc61]

And runs the bases like a deer caught in headlights.

And never walks. But let's give him some props for tonight.

[RedlegJake]

Ludwick was 10 feet off the base. This was on Cozart, as usual!!!!

as usual? LOL...what ARE you talking about

[NebraskaRed]

LJ Hoes. It's just too easy on that one.

'Stros and Hoes

[Tadasimha]

Nice grab by Frazier there!

[Roy Tucker]

This Ludwick thing is starting to have a grassy knoll quality.

Where's the second shooter?

[RedsBrick]

The Todd!

Nice play.

[RedlegJake]

Am watching the game. He went about 10 feet and stopped. You are wrong my friend.

Tadasimha is right - I just watched the replay - he went halfway

[VR]

Just re-watched the play on mlb.tv - Ludwick goes halfway to 3rd

After Cozart is almost there.

The no slide on Bruce is just stunning baseball....Joey was definitely calling for it.

[Tadasimha]

Okay, time for Cueto to get one more out before this gets out of hand

[RedsBrick]

Who's warming?

[Kc61]

Okay, time for Cueto to get one more out before this gets out of hand

Cueto might have had a K on that last batter. One of those ball calls was tough.

Then Johnny threw two high ones.

Never a dull moment.

[Kc61]

Who's warming?

Radio guys said simon.

[kaldaniels]

Tadasimha is right - I just watched the replay - he went halfway

He did, but did you notice where Cozart was prior to that. In the pic I posted you can see Cozy racing toward 2nd as Ludwick is not going towards third.

Is that where the confusion lies...people aren't realizing Cozart forced Ludwick to take off to 3rd?

[Tadasimha]

Cueto might have had a K on that last batter. One of those ball calls was tough.

Then Johnny threw two high ones.

Never a dull moment.

Homeplate ump didn't give him a check swing strike either - thankfully the appeal went his way.

[Reds Freak]

Impressed with Cueto's control today, thought that would be rusty. The one walk aside this inning, which you can probably attribute to fatigue.

[RedlegJake]

He did, but did you notice where Cozart was prior to that. In the pic I posted you can see Cozy racing toward 2nd as Ludwick is not going towards third.

Is that where the confusion lies...people aren't realizing Cozart forced Ludwick to take off to 3rd?

Of course Ludwick didn't run - he was watching Bruce NOT sliding!

[NebraskaRed]

Cueto is great-o

[RedsBrick]

Nice job, JC!

82 pitches...nice outting.

[NJReds]

Padres beat the Pirates, 2-0.

[PuffyPig]

Tadasimha is right - I just watched the replay - he went halfway

Ludwick was well within returning to 2nd base when he noticed Cozart barrelling into 2nd. At that time he ventured further off of 2nd.

[RedlegJake]

Well Cozart's night stinks - he made an out

[NebraskaRed]

That throw was just a little high.

[RedlegJake]

I don't think Loek Van Mil could have caught that throw

[Always Red]

Nice job, JC!

82 pitches...nice outting.

Too many pitches for only 10th start of the year and coming off extended DL.

Dusty left him in to get the "W". I'd rather the team get the W and Cueto stay healthy.

[RedsManRick]

I don't think Loek Van Mil could have caught that throw

Were you referring to the throw to 1B on Heisey's grounder or every ball Andy Dalton throws more than 10 yards downfield?

[kaldaniels]

I just wonder if Pete is gonna leave his girlfriend for the Muenchens woman.

They look too friendly. :D

[RedlegJake]

Ludwick was well within returning to 2nd base when he noticed Cozart barrelling into 2nd. At that time he ventured further off of 2nd.

I'll just have to take your word for it - I watched that replay on MLB.TV six times now and it just doesn't show enough field to see both players positions - you see Ludwick halfway between the bags as Cozart arrives at 2nd.His body language though is one of disgust - he knew he got hung out to dry, whether by himself or by Cozart, you can tell he wasn't happy

[edabbs44]

Thinking back a month or three, what would be more impressive? The fact that Cozart could end up with an above avg OPS for a SS or that he could end up with a higher OPS than Mesoraco?

[RedsBrick]

Too many pitches for only 10th start of the year and coming off extended DL.

Dusty left him in to get the "W". I'd rather the team get the W and Cueto stay healthy.

That is a lot for the 5th inning. Still a nice outting....and glad he's back.

[kaldaniels]

I'll just have to take your word for it - I watched that replay on MLB.TV six times now and it just doesn't show enough field to see both players positions - you see Ludwick halfway between the bags as Cozart arrives at 2nd.His body language though is one of disgust - he knew he got hung out to dry, whether by himself or by Cozart, you can tell he wasn't happy

I watched it on mlb.com game cast...they link to the Reds broadcast. On the wide shot you can track Ludwick all the way.

[PuffyPig]

Thinking back a month or three, what would be more impressive? The fact that Cozart could end up with an above avg OPS for a SS or that he could end up with a higher OPS than Mesoraco?

I'm just glad he had a higher OPS than Kozma.

[WVRedsFan]

Cee-moan has been a little erratic lately

Shutout gone. 6-1 good guys

[RedlegJake]

I'm just glad he had a higher OPS than Kozma.

Eddie Brinkman could come out of retirement and have a higher OPS than Kozma

[RedsBrick]

That baserunning play is like when you're at a yield sign with a car in front of you. You're watching the traffic looking for openings and not necessarily paying attention to the car in front....you see an opening in the traffic and you assume the car in front will go...so you tap on the gas before looking to see if that car went.

I think Cozart was thinking why the heck Ludwick didn't go to third when that ball got away from the catcher.

[Mutaman]

Well we blew a nice lead against a Triple AAA team yesterday. Can we hold on tonight against a Double AA team?

[PuffyPig]

Eddie Brinkman could come out of retirement and have a higher OPS than Kozma

You may have forgotten the infamous argument in the first month of the season, when Kozma had a better OPS, and a Cards fan's statement that "he'd even take a .750 OPS from Kozma", like that was the bottom line expected of him.

[Red Raindog]

Cee-moan has been a little erratic lately

Shutout gone. 6-1 good guys

1.59 era in September (tonight excluded)

[RedlegJake]

You may have forgotten the infamous argument in the first month of the season, when Kozma had a better OPS, and a Cards fan's statement that "he'd even take a .750 OPS from Kozma", like that was the bottom line expected of him.

Yeah, I do remember that. Wonder where that guy disappeared to?

[kaldaniels]

That baserunning play is like when you're at a yield sign with a car in front of you. You're watching the traffic looking for openings and not necessarily paying attention to the car in front....you see an opening in the traffic and you assume the car in front will go...so you tap on the gas before looking to see if that car went.

I think Cozart was thinking why the heck Ludwick didn't go to third when that ball got away from the catcher.

And guess who is at fault in your scenario?

I agree...if Ludwick had been more adept in that situation, he could have made it to third. But he is slow. He got hurt sliding into third. He might not have seen the ball well. It is moot. He hesitated on a ball that got away from the catcher. Cozart has to be looking ahead on the play.

[PuffyPig]

Yeah, I do remember that. Wonder where that guy disappeared to?

He's been quite sick.

[kaldaniels]

I like to play with fire. I'd consider sending Partch out and see if he can finish this. I like my big dogs to get some rest when they can.

[MillerTime58]

Thinking back a month or three, what would be more impressive? The fact that Cozart could end up with an above avg OPS for a SS or that he could end up with a higher OPS than Mesoraco?The latter is not impressive, it's just sad.

[WVRedsFan]

1.59 era in September (tonight excluded)

And his last appearance.

[kaldaniels]

I know Marshall was activated. But is he available now?

[RedsBrick]

And guess who is at fault in your scenario?

I agree...if Ludwick had been more adept in that situation, he could have made it to third. But he is slow. He got hurt sliding into third. He might not have seen the ball well. It is moot. He hesitated on a ball that got away from the catcher. Cozart has to be looking ahead on the play.

I'm definitely not placing blame on either, just describing. Without question, Cozart needs to make sure the base isn't occupied....he wasn't watching. While standing on 2nd he had simultaneous thoughts....Why the heck did Ludwick not go...and...Dang, I screwed up.

[1940757690]

Got home late and only was able to tune in last inning.

Wow. We're beating a team we should be beating. All is well in the world. If Simon and the pen can limit the bleeding to no more than a few runs, we'll win this.

And, Colorado is giving the RedBirds a game as we thought they might. Now 1-1 bottom 6.

And, somehow the Bucs lost to the Padres.

Another day like this tomorrow and we can restart that "will we win the division" debate. Bring it on, I say. :thumbup:

[Red Raindog]

And his last appearance.

guess I'm confused -- ESPN shows his last appearance as 9/11 -- 1 IP 1 hit no runs

[Stray]

Haven't been watching. How was Cueto's delivery, did it look way different?

[Red Raindog]

Haven't been watching. How was Cueto's delivery, did it look way different?

slightly less Tiant

[kaldaniels]

Altuve with a base hit.

http://content7.flixster.com/question/68/16/82/6816825_std.jpg

[Stray]

Thanks, that's good to hear it's been changed a little.

[1940757690]

Haven't been watching. How was Cueto's delivery, did it look way different?

MLB Network just showed his highlights. Looked pretty good though velocity maybe a bit low at around 93 but good movement and, of course, good results.

[1940757690]

Choo nearly missing that final flyout to end the 8th gave me a bad flashback to last night's mixup with Bruce. Sort of like indigestion an hour or two after an excellent meal with a few too many beers...but different.

[WVRedsFan]

Someone just asked me why you use a .229 hitter as your DH. I had no answer.

[George Foster]

He's saying that he doesn't like to overemphasize any one game to his players. Some might react by putting pressure on themselves.

Marty is saying that the players know how critical the game is so, if they are going to feel pressure, the manager's words won't make much difference.

They both are correct IMO.

If I was Marty, I would of followed up by asking Dusty if we make it to the one game playoff would he consider THAT a must win situation?

[RedlegJake]

Someone just asked me why you use a .229 hitter as your DH. I had no answer.

Because he's .229 in limited playing time this season and better than any of the guys with better numbers? But, yes, I get the drift...the Reds have no one who really looks good as a DH...unless you play Choo as DH and use Heisey or Robinson for defensive purposes in CF?

[kaldaniels]

If I was Marty, I would of followed up by asking Dusty if we make it to the one game playoff would he consider THAT a must win situation?

However you are comparing a game against Houston 4.5 games up on a playoff spot with 12 to go against an actual elimination game. That would seem to be a silly follow-up to go from one to another there.

I'm struggling to see how tonight was a "must win" game.

[George Foster]

I'd say that a lot of Redzoners are watching the Bengals game but it's does not feel like we are in a penant race on this game thread....;)

[WVRedsFan]

Because he's .229 in limited playing time this season and better than any of the guys with better numbers? But, yes, I get the drift...the Reds have no one who really looks good as a DH...unless you play Choo as DH and use Heisey or Robinson for defensive purposes in CF?

Good answer. I couldn't think of one. Pathetic bench? I hope they can spin Chris and someone else for a banger (I'm a dreamer).

[Reds Freak]

I'd say that a lot of Redzoners are watching the Bengals game but it's does not feel like we are in a penant race on this game thread....;)

There hasn't been much to complain about. You saw what happened when the baserunning error happened earlier. The game thread really explodes when the Reds struggle.

[Kc61]

However you are comparing a game against Houston 4.5 games up on a playoff spot with 12 to go against an actual elimination game. That would seem to be a silly follow-up to go from one to another there.

I'm struggling to see how tonight was a "must win" game.

Any player who doesn't realize that a one game playoff is must win needs tutoring.

Choo and Votto each on base three times tonight. On base machines.

Phillips, Ludwick, Frazier, different kind of machines.

[1940757690]

Rockies just took the lead bottom 7 over STL! Still just one out and two on. Now 2-1 Colorado. Especially sweet the go-ahead single came against Sure-Thing Siegrist.

Please be a good night for us. We deserve it.

[WVRedsFan]

Any player who doesn't realize that a one game playoff is must win needs tutoring.

Choo and Votto each on base three times tonight. On base machines.

Phillips, Ludwick, Frazier, different kind of machines.

Tonight, they're swinging for the fences...and missing.

[RedlegJake]

There hasn't been much to complain about. You saw what happened when the baserunning error happened earlier. The game thread really explodes when the Reds struggle.

Spot on. Game thread is most active when they lose or struggle to win. Easy wins are almost always snooze fests.

[George Foster]

However you are comparing a game against Houston 4.5 games up on a playoff spot with 12 to go against an actual elimination game. That would seem to be a silly follow-up to go from one to another there.

I'm struggling to see how tonight was a "must win" game.

It would of been a "got ya" question for sure but I think that playing the worse team in baseball in September when your down 3.5 games is always a must win if you are serious about winning the devision.

[RedlegJake]

When you are down 3.5 with 12 to play I think every single game is a must win. You won;t win 'em all more than likely but they are all must wins in that position

[mbgrayson]

Rockies take the lead against the Cards... 2 to 1 in the bottom of the 7th.

[WVRedsFan]

Reds win. 6-1.

[George Foster]

Reds win....go Bengals...

[Kc61]

Worked out well, preserving most of the pen.

[1940757690]

Reds win....go Bengals...

Forget the Bengals. Go Rockies!

Bases juiced for Colorado. Still bottom 7. Two out. New reliever inbound for the Cards. Good game if you have mlb.tv. Surely better than football and we have the vested interest.

[RedlegJake]

Hoping for a big night - go Rox!

[Roy Tucker]

Iwouldn't call it a must win but it was a "will look pretty bad if you lose" game.

[George Foster]

Forget the Bengals. Go Rockies!

Amen....:thumbup::thumbup::beerme::beerme:

[MillerTime58]

However you are comparing a game against Houston 4.5 games up on a playoff spot with 12 to go against an actual elimination game. That would seem to be a silly follow-up to go from one to another there.

I'm struggling to see how tonight was a "must win" game.If you're going for the division still, then it's damn near a must win game.

[George Foster]

If the Cards lose too tonight that loss yesturday was even more devistating. Would of been only 1.5 games out...

[Tom Servo]

We're good again! :beerme:

[kaldaniels]

If you're going for the division still, then it's damn near a must win game.

The division wasn't referenced on here until a few posts back.

[1940757690]

If the Cards lose too tonight that loss yesturday was even more devistating. Would of been only 1.5 games out...

Can't look at it that way, George. We just need to keep winning. And St Louis losing is always a reason to celebrate in my book. It's almost as fun as a Reds win.

Rockies couldn't squeeze another run from the bases-loaded scenario. Now to the 8th with Rockies up 2-1.

[kaldaniels]

The Reds odds of winning a one game wild card are much greater than winning the division at this point.

I'll take a second straight division title if they pull it out of their rear, but as a fan my focus is now on keeping their wild card spot, lining up the team for the one game playoff, and winning that game.

[MillerTime58]

The division wasn't referenced on here until a few posts back.I know it hadn't, I was bringing it up.

[1940757690]

One of the things I like about mlb.tv (aside from being able to watch most of the Reds games that way since I'm out of market) is that you can pick the home or away feed.

How to tell you've dialed into the Cards' feed for a Rockies game:

They put up a stat showing STL has had more success against Colorado since 2010 than against any other team (.750).

Tying run on 2nd, one out. Top 8.

[Falcon7]

Iwouldn't call it a must win but it was a "will look pretty bad if you lose" game.

Trying to catch 2 teams with little time left, against the worst team in the MLB, it's a must win!

[George Foster]

I know it hadn't, I was bringing it up.

Who wants a one game playoff? I don't...I want the division...I don't want a one and done situation. If that's what we got...you got to take it but the focus of this team should be to win the division and even if you lose the first game it does not matter....ask the Giants..

[WVRedsFan]

The Reds odds of winning a one game wild card are much greater than winning the division at this point.

I'll take a second straight division title if they pull it out of their rear, but as a fan my focus is now on keeping their wild card spot, lining up the team for the one game playoff, and winning that game.

Totally agree. Gotta make that game. Like you, I'll take the division if the Bucs and Cards fall on their faces, but I don't expect that.

[MillerTime58]

Ugh come on Rockies

[George Foster]

Ugh come on Rockies

what's happining??

[MillerTime58]

Who wants a one game playoff? I don't...I want the division...I don't want a one and done situation. If that's what we got...you got to take it but the focus of this team should be to win the division and even if you lose the first game it does not matter....ask the Giants..I was arguing that they should be gunning for the division too lol. Thus making this game essentially a must-win. As will be tomorrow, Wednesday, and probably all the Mets games.

[MillerTime58]

what's happining??Matt Carpenter with a trademark double to score a run. 2-2

[George Foster]

Matt Carpenter with a trademark double to score a run. 2-2

Clutch....

[kaldaniels]

I was arguing that they should be gunning for the division too lol. Thus making this game essentially a must-win. As will be tomorrow, Wednesday, and probably all the Mets games.

What about the Pirates games, a team ahead of the Reds?


I think we are up to all must wins at this point.

With time running out if you want the division I would argue the Reds can't lose more than 2 more games. But that doesn't make them all must wins. Especially since we have seen the ironic performance of this team vs. LAD and MIL.

I hold "must" to a high standard.

[MillerTime58]

What about the Pirates games, a team ahead of the Reds?


I think we are up to all must wins at this point.

With time running out if you want the division I would argue the Reds can't lose more than 2 more games. But that doesn't make them all must wins. Especially since we have seen the ironic performance of this team vs. LAD and MIL.

I hold "must" to a high standard.The most realistic path to 9-2 the rest of the way is with 2 losses to the Pirates I would say. But yeah, any scenario that results in 9-2. Not much hope otherwise for the division.

[WVRedsFan]

Well...6-2 Rockies in the bottom of the 8th. Lookin good!

[_Sir_Charles_]

And this one belongs to the Reds!

just got home. Absolutely pitiful crowd. It wouldn't surprise me if the Reds fans out numbered the Astros fans. I got a good laugh when I saw them attempt to start a wave. I mean there were whole sections empty. LOL.

Cueto looked pretty darned good. I said before the game that I'd pull him at 80 pitches. Nearly spot on I think. The only hitter that really looked bad was Luddy. He was swinging for that short porch in left and just looked horrible.

1-0 for me. :O) Let's get 2 more fellas!

[_Sir_Charles_]

YES! I just saw the Stl final. :O) It was 1-1 when I left the juice box. Nice! Grabbed that game back on both of them. *grin*

I may be in the minority...but I still say we take the division.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Btw...just thought I'd toss this in. Batting practice was a blast. It was an absolute HR show...and the featured player is one you'd NEVER expect. Corky. He was POUNDING the ball. Too funny.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Someone back me up here.

On the wide shot Luddy was 10 ft off second as Cozart was sprinting toward 2nd halfway there.

Kal's right. But to be fair...it was because the ball squirted away from the catcher...Luddy could see the play, Cozy couldn't. Ryan started towards third and that's when Cozart was watching him...then he took his eyes off Ryan. Mistake on Cozart without a doubt. But considering he knocked in 4 runs...I think he made up for it.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I like to play with fire. I'd consider sending Partch out and see if he can finish this. I like my big dogs to get some rest when they can.

This is a home game basically for Logan. I'm glad they went with him. He had a TON of family in attendance. So did Hamilton and Bruce.

[Mutaman]

Lets assume JC pitches well in his next start and throws 100 pitches. Do we consider starting him in the post season?

[kaldaniels]

Lets assume JC pitches well in his next start and throws 100 pitches. Do we consider starting him in the post season?

Yes. Yes. Yes.

[Billy Hamilton's Legs]

Lets assume JC pitches well in his next start and throws 100 pitches. Do we consider starting him in the post season?

Leake vs. Cueto? Sounds like a pretty easy decision to me.

[cumberlandreds]

Cueto looked a lot better than I thought he would. I thought he would be rusty and struggle with is control. It helped facing the Astros but still a good performance. I would thin he would start Sunday against the Pirates. Maybe go 90 pitches or so. Reds just have to keep winning. I doubt they catch two teams but you never know as long as you win.

[HeatherC1212]

Glad you had an awesome time at the game Sir Charles! I'm LOLing hard at them trying to start the wave, LOL :laugh: Hopefully you'll get the guys two more wins there! :jump:

[_Sir_Charles_]

That's the plan. I also loved watching the guys during BP...they clearly enjoy each others company. They were having a blast pre-game. I love seeing that. Hamilton & Choo are good friends. Chapman & Corky. Sometimes the connections are surprising. The 2 guys who warm up separately are the 2 guys you wouldn't expect. Luddy & Phillips.

[Mutaman]

Leake vs. Cueto? Sounds like a pretty easy decision to me.

No, I mean starting, like game 163 starting, like Cueto instead of Latos or Homer.