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Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 03:47 PM
Choo CF
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Ludwick LF
Bruce RF
Frazier 3B
Cozart SS
Mesoraco C
Latos P

cumberlandreds
09-20-2013, 03:56 PM
Here's the Bucco lineup. Yesterday was Talk like a Pirate Day. That should make today, Make a Pirate Walk the Plank Day. :)


1. Jose Tabata (R) LF
2. Neil Walker (S) 2B
3. Andrew McCutchen (R) CF
4. Justin Morneau (L) 1B
5. Marlon Byrd (R) RF
6. Pedro Alvarez (L) 3B
7. Russell Martin (R) C
8. Jordy Mercer (R) SS
9. Francisco Liriano (L) P

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 04:34 PM
I understand it, but I don't like moving Bruce from the 4 hole. He was getting on a roll...you don't mess with that.

Kingspoint
09-20-2013, 05:29 PM
"Down the stretch they come!"

Ironman92
09-20-2013, 05:37 PM
I understand it, but I don't like moving Bruce from the 4 hole. He was getting on a roll...you don't mess with that.

Gotta play for the potential 7th inning matchup

RichRed
09-20-2013, 05:44 PM
I understand it, but I don't like moving Bruce from the 4 hole. He was getting on a roll...you don't mess with that.

I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that Jay is 0 for 8 with 5 Ks against Liriano.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 06:15 PM
I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that Jay is 0 for 8 with 5 Ks against Liriano.

Thank you. I figured there HAD to be a rational argument for the switch.

Hoosier Red
09-20-2013, 07:10 PM
Here's the Bucco lineup. Yesterday was Talk like a Pirate Day. That should make today, Make a Pirate Walk the Plank Day. :)


My favorite reference was my friend's tweet.


Sonny Amato ‏@TheTerribleBlog 19 Sep
"Don't panic. We're fine. Don't panic. We're fine. <looks at scoreboard> Don't panic. We're fine." #TalkLikeAPirateDay

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:03 PM
Oh dear god.

George Grande AND Sean Casey. My computer may explode from the happy, giddy, gushing, overly excited duo at the top of their game.

*switches to WLW audio* Ahhhh...much better. Let the ice cream talk begin. :O)

1940757690
09-20-2013, 08:05 PM
I think I'm more stoked for this game (on MLB network so TV versus online) than any other since we came back to CIN from SFO up 2-0 in the 2012 LDS.

If we win, we'll be tied with the Bucs in WC Slot #1 just 1.5 or .5 games behind STL (if they win or lose theirs vs the Crew).

If we win, tomorrow night's game, which I'll be watching at PNC, will be an even bigger deal.

If we win, there's a chance, however lower the probability, that an amazing weekend, thanks to MIL, could have us in first by Sunday, the final game in the series we'll also be in attendance for.

Finally, if the Cards do hold on for the division, the Liriano/Latos matchup tonight is likely a WC playoff preview.

What a game--CANNOT wait for first pitch in this one!

Charles--definitely post or PM me any tips for how to will these guys to victory in road cities and I'll embrace 'em all for PNC tomorrow and Sunday!

Raisor
09-20-2013, 08:06 PM
Dear heavens not Casey.

Raisor
09-20-2013, 08:08 PM
Fast start needed Step on their necks

1940757690
09-20-2013, 08:09 PM
Fast start. Step on their necks

Choo didn't hear you. Just one AB. No worries, right?

ThatPitchIsDunn
09-20-2013, 08:09 PM
Things let's do:

THIS

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:10 PM
Charles--definitely post or PM me any tips for how to will these guys to victory in road cities and I'll embrace 'em all for PNC tomorrow and Sunday!

Simple, swap out the Pirates roster for the Astros roster. It might be easier said than done though. Sorry.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:11 PM
4 pitch walk to BP

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:11 PM
Gameday is balking at the use of audio overlay. Grrrr...it's FORCING me to listen to GG & Casey.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:11 PM
BP swipes 2nd

757690
09-20-2013, 08:11 PM
Yesterday was Talk Like A Pirate Day. Let's make this weekend, Talk Like A Third Place Pirate Weekend.

1940757690
09-20-2013, 08:13 PM
C'mon Joey. We need you, man!

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:13 PM
Votto grounds out weakly to 1st on a nasty slider, 2 out, BP to third.

1940757690
09-20-2013, 08:13 PM
Luddy with BP on 3rd. A hit here would be very grand.

Kc61
09-20-2013, 08:14 PM
I don't mind the Pirates announcers but after two batters of their feed on EI I put it on mute.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:14 PM
Luddy! 1-0 Redlegs.

VottoFan54
09-20-2013, 08:14 PM
Ludwick! Giving Latos an early lead is huge.

1940757690
09-20-2013, 08:14 PM
Yes! Luddy drives in BP!!

Now THAT's the kind of start we're talking about!! :thumbup:

Magdal
09-20-2013, 08:14 PM
I'm pulling for these Redlegs big time tonite Boys! I like that Baker is showing some confidence in my Guy Lud......OH! He get's a hit! :beerme:

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:14 PM
LUDDY! RBI single! Best looking swing I've seen from him all week.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:15 PM
Bruce flies out to left. 15 pitch frame for Liriano, to the bottom of 1 we go with the Reds in front 1-0.

1940757690
09-20-2013, 08:15 PM
That's alright. Jay's not going to hit with every AB. The 1st inning run is huge. Now Latos can go to work.

And we can score more later. Right? More later? Thanks.

tomnuetten
09-20-2013, 08:16 PM
this ludwick guy is terrible... only 11 rbis and the season is almost over ;)


ludwick :beerme:

757690
09-20-2013, 08:17 PM
There it is Mat. Make it hold up.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:19 PM
whoops

Red in Chicago
09-20-2013, 08:19 PM
george seemed very excited by that home run...really?

LexRedsFan
09-20-2013, 08:19 PM
Well... Crud.

Raisor
09-20-2013, 08:19 PM
Yikes

VR
09-20-2013, 08:19 PM
Or not.

LexRedsFan
09-20-2013, 08:19 PM
Ugh.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:19 PM
oh for god's sake...what the hell?

Red in Chicago
09-20-2013, 08:20 PM
oy vey

Raisor
09-20-2013, 08:20 PM
Yikes yikes

1940757690
09-20-2013, 08:20 PM
NO WAY!

Tabata and now Walker go deep? Back to back. 1st two batters. We're down 2-1!!!

C'mon Mat!! Those hurt. Viscerally, they hurt. A lot. Get it together, man.

Magdal
09-20-2013, 08:20 PM
Well that sucks....listen to those Buc fans....jeez, another one. I don't remember them ever being this loud before.

Kingspoint
09-20-2013, 08:20 PM
Best Pitcher?

Maybe.

Ace?

Not.

757690
09-20-2013, 08:20 PM
Who does Latos think he is, Jeff Austin?

RedsfaninMT
09-20-2013, 08:21 PM
Latos chanelling his game 5 playoffs self.

Kc61
09-20-2013, 08:21 PM
Lately Mat has started slowly in games. He'll get it going.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:21 PM
Reds will win.

Raisor
09-20-2013, 08:21 PM
Best Pitcher?

Maybe.

Ace?

Not.

Aces never give up homers?

LexRedsFan
09-20-2013, 08:21 PM
2-1 to McCutchen.

Kingspoint
09-20-2013, 08:21 PM
Well that sucks....listen to those Buc fans....jeez, another one. I don't remember them ever being this loud before.

Those behind the plate just sat there and did nothing.

DocRed
09-20-2013, 08:21 PM
Nice start Latos......

tomnuetten
09-20-2013, 08:22 PM
Best Pitcher?

Maybe.

Ace?

Not.

yeah, who is an ace in your opinion?

hell even aceīs have bad games/starts

Kingspoint
09-20-2013, 08:22 PM
Aces never give up homers?
How many runs did the REDS score in the one-game playoff vs the Mets?

The Mets had an Ace. The REDS didn't that day.

LexRedsFan
09-20-2013, 08:22 PM
Walks McCutchen. Oh. Cool.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:22 PM
McCutchen walks. At least it wasn't a homer.

Kingspoint
09-20-2013, 08:22 PM
yeah, who is an ace in your opinion?

hell even aceīs have bad games/starts

Not Latos, and I've said it all year.

I've named them. There are about nine or ten in the National League.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:23 PM
I walk out of the room for 5 minutes. Come on guys! 2 dingers and a walk?!?

Falls City Beer
09-20-2013, 08:23 PM
Scouting report on Latos in first inning: meatballs down Broadway. Been that way all season, Pirates dialed in.

LexRedsFan
09-20-2013, 08:23 PM
Morneau singles. Oh boy. Bullpen warming? LOL

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:24 PM
I remember Joe Mays making a start like this.

davereds24
09-20-2013, 08:24 PM
It may not be the reason, but this definitely could be a result of giving Latos 6 days off.

tomnuetten
09-20-2013, 08:24 PM
that didnīt answer the question ;)

he had a very good year and every play will have bad games over a 162 game season


and the first inning isnīt even over

Kingspoint
09-20-2013, 08:24 PM
Latos and Bailey are on the verge of being Aces. But both of them are still quite a ways off from being one.

They may both be Aces next year. Very real possibility.

Raisor
09-20-2013, 08:24 PM
:runaway::runaway::runaway::runaway::runaway:

Kc61
09-20-2013, 08:24 PM
Dusty is out to the mound.

I've been concerned about Latos, his Ks are down this month. I've speculated maybe something isn't right.

Still he's usually has come back stronger as games have gone on.

Hope Mat gets it going, i still think he will.

vaticanplum
09-20-2013, 08:24 PM
Well that sucks....listen to those Buc fans....jeez, another one. I don't remember them ever being this loud before.

Per Marty, "the worst-case scenario is if the Pirates get into this game." Really, Marty? That's the worst-case scenario?

He also just called the Pirates the Mets.

Magdal
09-20-2013, 08:25 PM
Those behind the plate just sat there and did nothing.Fat Cats! I guess they got the field mic in the cheap seats. I tell you, this clamor is unnerving me, and it's only in the 1st!

Krawhitham
09-20-2013, 08:25 PM
Maybe Latos should not have been allowed to throw 119 pitches last start

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:25 PM
That 1-0 fastball is more like it.

Raisor
09-20-2013, 08:26 PM
Per Marty, "the worst-case scenario is if the Pirates get into this game." Really, Marty? That's the worst-case scenario?

He also just called the Pirates the Mets.

To be fair, he may be watching that game

Falls City Beer
09-20-2013, 08:26 PM
Mike Leake has been nails vs. the Pirates. I certainly hope he gets a start vs them in Cincy. Pirates O is similar to the Reds--good fastball hitters, struggle vs. the corkscrew stuff.

vaticanplum
09-20-2013, 08:26 PM
Per Marty, "the worst-case scenario is if the Pirates get into this game." Really, Marty? That's the worst-case scenario?

He also just called the Pirates the Mets.

I typed it wrong. He said the worst-case scenario is if the Pirates FANS get into this game.

LexRedsFan
09-20-2013, 08:26 PM
Latos gets the DP. Hopedully he settles in.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:26 PM
Yesiree!

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:27 PM
Yessirree!

1940757690
09-20-2013, 08:27 PM
This is about as bad a start as could have been imagined.

That said, it's just 2 runs and Latos just got the DP.

This game/start aside, agree Latos is an excellent pitcher but no ace.

Kc61
09-20-2013, 08:27 PM
Maybe Latos should not have been allowed to throw 119 pitches last start

Latos is pitching on six days' rest.

Magdal
09-20-2013, 08:28 PM
Whew! It dam sure could have been worse!

kbrake
09-20-2013, 08:28 PM
Hell of a play by BP. Alright Latos will settle in. Let's go.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:28 PM
Inning over. 2-1 Bucs. Could have been a lot worse.

757690
09-20-2013, 08:28 PM
I remember Joe Mays making a start like this.

I try not to remember this game:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN200305230.shtml

LexRedsFan
09-20-2013, 08:28 PM
Brandon being Brandon. Altogether, not as bad as it could be

Raisor
09-20-2013, 08:29 PM
(Waiting for someone to declare the game as over)

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:29 PM
Latos is pitching on six days' rest.

IMO, now is not the best of times to change routines. I liked having our best 3 for this game...but I would've arranged it earlier.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:29 PM
I wonder if Latos has ever given up 2 home runs on 2 straight pitches before.

tomnuetten
09-20-2013, 08:29 PM
can someone give me a definition of an ace...

I thought best pitcher of your rotation is your "ace" obviously there are some different opinions

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:30 PM
(Waiting for someone to declare the game as over)

If you mean in a Reds win...I will. Book it!

Raisor
09-20-2013, 08:31 PM
can someone give me a definition of an ace...

I thought best pitcher of your rotation is your "ace" obviously there are some different opinions

An "ace" is a fighter pilot with five confirmed kills.

#helpful

Magdal
09-20-2013, 08:31 PM
can someone give me a definition of an ace...

I thought best pitcher of your rotation is your "ace" obviously there are some different opinionsI guess an Ace is a guy who NEVER gets in trouble ;)

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:32 PM
Well, Liriano just made Frazier and Cozart look pathetic.

Magdal
09-20-2013, 08:33 PM
I wonder if Latos has ever given up 2 home runs on 2 straight pitches before.It happens to the best of 'em.

vaticanplum
09-20-2013, 08:33 PM
Fear not, Reds fans! Tonight, while I was walking my dog on the mean streets of Friendship, Pittsburgh, just before the game, the universe sent a sign. My dog and I go for good walks, oh, maybe 20 times a week. Tonight, I crossed the street at a spot where I don't normally, and on the opposite sidewalk immediately felt something weird under my feet, something I had never encountered before on any walk. I looked down and saw a sidewalk full of these:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7449/9844778006_102890cd40_z.jpg

Buckeyes! The hell is a nice Ohio buckeye doing in my Pennsylvania hood? It's a sign, right? Let us not forget where the rally onion was discovered! IT'S A SIGN. Maybe

About a half a block after that I saw a dead bird. It was not a cardinal and I could not in sound mind take a picture of it, but worth noting.

WORTH NOTING.

Falls City Beer
09-20-2013, 08:33 PM
(Waiting for someone to declare the game as over)

They were a ringing double away that inning from that very outcome. The Pirates do have an actual bullpen.

Larkin Fan
09-20-2013, 08:33 PM
Aces never give up homers?

That Clayton Kershaw guy never gives them up. He struck Jay Bruce out every time he came to the plate, right?

Magdal
09-20-2013, 08:34 PM
Well, that was a sad inning....what did he throw....about 5 pitches??!

tomnuetten
09-20-2013, 08:35 PM
I guess an Ace is a guy who NEVER gets in trouble ;)


so itīs something like a unicorn, wizzard or god?

Larkin Fan
09-20-2013, 08:35 PM
They were a ringing double away that inning from that very outcome. The Pirates do have an actual bullpen.

Yeah, but the Reds have Billy Hamilton.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:35 PM
can someone give me a definition of an ace...


I was told it was the place with the helpful hardware man. But I did receive that knowledge second hand.

Kc61
09-20-2013, 08:35 PM
This is a road series at Pittsburgh. There will be rocky moments. Then the Reds go home where they are excellent.

They are down one run in the first game. No biggie.

No need to declare Latos a non-Ace or to reach other conclusions just yet.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:35 PM
I have to admit I'm still pretty shellshocked from the two home runs, to Tabata and Walker of all people.

Kc61
09-20-2013, 08:36 PM
I have to admit I'm still pretty shellshocked from the two home runs, to Tabata and Walker of all people.

As long as Latos isn't shell shocked, I can live with it.

757690
09-20-2013, 08:37 PM
can someone give me a definition of an ace...


http://i1.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/800/draft_lens9749241module87837871photo_1267567991Str oker_Ace_poster.jpg

kbrake
09-20-2013, 08:38 PM
I swear some people only come out when things are going a bit rough.

vaticanplum
09-20-2013, 08:38 PM
Tech question: can anybody tell me why game threads don't automatically refresh anymore? Is it something with the board or is it my browser/computer?

Falls City Beer
09-20-2013, 08:39 PM
This is a road series at Pittsburgh. There will be rocky moments. Then the Reds go home where they are excellent.

They are down one run in the first game. No biggie.

No need to declare Latos a non-Ace or to reach other conclusions just yet.

Everything rests on Latos. Everything. The offense doesn't play well in this park.

Magdal
09-20-2013, 08:39 PM
About a half a block after that I saw a dead bird. It was not a cardinal and I could not in sound mind take a picture of it, but worth noting.

WORTH NOTING.[/QUOTE] I'm glad you did not run into a guy with a 'puffy' shirt girlfriend!

:)

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:39 PM
I swear some people only come out when things are going a bit rough.

Sorry kbrake. It's something I'll have to work on. ;)

1-2-3 goes Latos. My guess...1st inning jitters for both starters.

Raisor
09-20-2013, 08:40 PM
http://i1.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/800/draft_lens9749241module87837871photo_1267567991Str oker_Ace_poster.jpg

We were talking about this movie at work today. What are the odds?

Larkin Fan
09-20-2013, 08:40 PM
Latos looked good in the second. The Reds will get this game.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:40 PM
Tech question: can anybody tell me why game threads don't automatically refresh anymore? Is it something with the board or is it my browser/computer?
I think it's one of those things we lost in order to make the board faster after a rough patch of slowness. The like button returned, but not the auto refresh.

Magdal
09-20-2013, 08:40 PM
Tech question: can anybody tell me why game threads don't automatically refresh anymore? Is it something with the board or is it my browser/computer?Mine stopped months ago

Chip R
09-20-2013, 08:40 PM
Tech question: can anybody tell me why game threads don't automatically refresh anymore? Is it something with the board or is it my browser/computer?

I think they discontinued that a while back to make the board not so sluggish.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:40 PM
Tech question: can anybody tell me why game threads don't automatically refresh anymore? Is it something with the board or is it my browser/computer?

Boss disabled it early in the year when we were having all of the board lag problems. It seems to have been the culprit.

BluegrassRedleg
09-20-2013, 08:41 PM
Wonder what's going on with Latos and the sluggish starts? Just taking time to get loose? Coincidence?

kbrake
09-20-2013, 08:42 PM
Sorry kbrake. It's something I'll have to work on. ;)

1-2-3 goes Latos. My guess...1st inning jitters for both starters.

You didn't seem too happy Grande and Casey were calling the game. I think that is the most negative I've ever seen you haha.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:44 PM
You did seem too happy Grande and Casey were calling the game. I think that is the most negative I've ever seen you haha.

Considering how optimistic I tend to be...the fact that I find them over the top is REALLY saying something. It's like watching a game dipped in honey, coated in sugar and watched through rainbow colored glasses.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:45 PM
30 pitches thru 3 for Liriano. Not exactly what I was hoping for.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:46 PM
Yep. Both pitchers settling in. Overly amped-up or nerves in the first is my guess.

BluegrassRedleg
09-20-2013, 08:46 PM
Considering how optimistic I tend to be...the fact that I find them over the top is REALLY saying something. It's like watching a game dipped in honey, coated in sugar and watched through rainbow colored glasses.

They're the broadcast equivalent of biting into one of these...

http://alum.mit.edu/pages/sliceofmit/files/2010/04/928_033-yellow-chicks-5pk.jpg

757690
09-20-2013, 08:46 PM
We were talking about this movie at work today. What are the odds?

Actually pretty good for me. Rarely does a day go by when I'm not talking about a Burt Reynolds movie.

Reds Freak
09-20-2013, 08:46 PM
Reds being way too aggressive at the plate. Liriano getting then to swing at everything out od the zone.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:46 PM
They're the broadcast equivalent of biting into one of these...



YES! Exactly that. Perfect! :laugh:

Kc61
09-20-2013, 08:47 PM
Unless I am reading incorrectly, always a possibility, lefties are hitting Liriano this year to the tune of a .319 OPS. OPS+ against lefties is, well, 0.

So it might behoove the Reds righty hitters to have a good night. Phillips and Ludwick with a good start but all of them might want to help out in this one.

50YrRedsFan
09-20-2013, 08:47 PM
The Reds need this game BADLY. They don't want to be in the position of having to win 2 in a row on Sat & Sun. 2 out of 3 and we're tied for the 1st W/C and going home for the final 6.

vaticanplum
09-20-2013, 08:48 PM
Everything rests on Latos. Everything. The offense doesn't play well in this park.

The Reds have gotten the better of Liriano as much as any other team this year.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:50 PM
WOW! Like I said earlier...the glove is legit!

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:50 PM
Say what you will about Frazier's plate approach, dude is an amazing 3B.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:52 PM
1-2-3 for Latos again. Looks to be my kind of game. :O) Pitching and defense.

kbrake
09-20-2013, 08:52 PM
As long as we are within 1 I feel like the game is tied because I know Hamilton will steal a run late. So hopefully we can tie and he can just go ahead and steal the winning run.

Larkin Fan
09-20-2013, 08:52 PM
That was a big league play that Frazier made. He came to play.

Roy Tucker
09-20-2013, 08:53 PM
Jeez, just turned the game on. At that rate, if Latos threw 100 pitches, it was going to be a 100-1 game.

Ok boys, it's baseball. We've played it before. Let's do the good things we can do.

50YrRedsFan
09-20-2013, 08:53 PM
OK hitters...1 hit every 3 innings isn't going to get it done......Let's go now

Stray
09-20-2013, 08:54 PM
Liriano has nasty stuff tonight.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:54 PM
Take some pitches, I'm begging you.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 08:55 PM
Ugh.

Reds Freak
09-20-2013, 08:57 PM
Reds are taking fastballs down the pipe and swinging at sliders 8 inches off the plate. Liriano has it working tonight.

Roy Tucker
09-20-2013, 08:57 PM
That Liriano slider is eating the LH Reds alive.

But Votto learns. He'll get a better swing next time. And Bruce has the HR swing on lefties.

R_Webb18
09-20-2013, 08:57 PM
lol at poll

DocRed
09-20-2013, 08:58 PM
lol at poll

Not even close. Nice.

Kc61
09-20-2013, 08:58 PM
While Votto and Bruce hit lefties well, it's really unfair to expect them to carry the day against a pitcher like this. The guy is murder on lefties.

It's time for certain RHH on the Reds to produce some runs. Relying on previous years and minor league stats won't do it right now.

R_Webb18
09-20-2013, 08:58 PM
bruce with a nice catch

Stray
09-20-2013, 08:58 PM
Votto got 9% of the votes lol

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 08:58 PM
More D! Nice grab by Jay!

Roy Tucker
09-20-2013, 08:59 PM
The Reds are flashing leather.

1940757690
09-20-2013, 08:59 PM
An "ace" is a fighter pilot with five confirmed kills.

#helpful

True.


I guess an Ace is a guy who NEVER gets in trouble ;)

Untrue. Several WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam era Aces got into all kinds of trouble on the ground and otherwise.


so itīs something like a unicorn, wizzard or god?

Points for humor but untrue.


I was told it was the place with the helpful hardware man. But I did receive that knowledge second hand.

Funny points and true.

My contribution to this august group and discussion?

A baseball ace is a pitcher who is significantly more effective than at least 90-95% of his peers. How you measure that is your business since I won't wade into any old math/new math stuff now. Have a game to watch and Jay just made a fab play!

Raisor
09-20-2013, 09:00 PM
I voted for Votto

Red Raindog
09-20-2013, 09:00 PM
I have OD'd on sugar
Mute is the only watch this

kbrake
09-20-2013, 09:00 PM
As much as I normally like patience and hate the usual Reds approach at the plate I think tonight against Liriano it might make more sense to be aggressive on early fastballs. That slider is untouchable.

R_Webb18
09-20-2013, 09:02 PM
A night like tonight it might be better to just be lucky.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 09:03 PM
As much as I normally like patience and hate the usual Reds approach at the plate I think tonight against Liriano it might make more sense to be aggressive on early fastballs. That slider is untouchable.
I'm the opposite. Usually I don't care about the Reds hacking at the first pitch but tonight I'm having visions of a sub 100 pitch CG for Liriano the way the Reds are just grounding out on the first pitch or striking out on three.

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:03 PM
Walks bad. Strikeouts and grounders good.

Any questions?

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 09:04 PM
Walks bad. Strikeouts and grounders good.

Any questions?

Which hitting team are you referring to? Big difference. :O)

kbrake
09-20-2013, 09:05 PM
I'm the opposite. Usually I don't care about the Reds hacking at the first pitch but tonight I'm having visions of a sub 100 pitch CG for Liriano the way the Reds are just grounding out on the first pitch or striking out on three.

In the first inning I wish they would have been more patient I think it took him awhile to really find it but at this point he is locked in. Votto and Bruce are getting first pitch fastballs away to start every AB. Jump all over it try sending it to LF.

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:05 PM
Which hitting team are you referring to? Big difference. :O)

Ha! Was a shrewd tip for Latos he tragically won't see.

Falls City Beer
09-20-2013, 09:05 PM
Every time a runner reaches base, the game is on the line. Fall behind by three and it's over with the Pirates bullpen waiting.

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:06 PM
Every time a runner reaches base, the game is on the line. Fall behind by three and it's over with the Pirates bullpen waiting.

Too glass-half-empty for my tastes. We score a few more and game over for the Bucs. Our pen is okay too.

kbrake
09-20-2013, 09:07 PM
Every time a runner reaches base, the game is on the line. Fall behind by three and it's over with the Pirates bullpen waiting.

You mean like they slammed the door on the Padres two days ago?

Roy Tucker
09-20-2013, 09:07 PM
It will happen for the Reds. They need to be intelligent hitters.

Latos needs to hang in there. Be cool Mat.

Tom Servo
09-20-2013, 09:08 PM
1st and 3rd, one out after the Alvarez single. Walks could haunt.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 09:08 PM
FCB farts rainbows and butterflies. :O)

3-1 :(

DocRed
09-20-2013, 09:09 PM
Latos...geezus. Bailey needs to start 1 game playoff.

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:09 PM
Now Latos is worrying me a bit. Down 3-1 still no panic but has he settled down? More important, will he? Still shouldn't be a problem for our bats but a few more and, yeah, it'd be a problem. Do Not Want To Lose This Game.

757690
09-20-2013, 09:10 PM
Every time a runner reaches base, the game is on the line. Fall behind by three and it's over with the Pirates bullpen waiting.

You mean the bullpen that blew a two run lead in the ninth on Wednesday?

Falls City Beer
09-20-2013, 09:12 PM
You mean the bullpen that blew a two run lead in the ninth on Wednesday?

No one's perfect. But you can be far from perfect and close the door on this offense.

I hate that Hamilton's not starting. I hate that contract players get starts over hot hands, just because....

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 09:13 PM
Tough break there. Nice pitch.

OldXOhio
09-20-2013, 09:13 PM
Not our night

50YrRedsFan
09-20-2013, 09:14 PM
The Reds are in big trouble now.....

OC_Red
09-20-2013, 09:14 PM
My gosh, what luck...Jordy Mercer gets fooled badly but of course gets an RBI single on the dribbler to 3rd.

4-1

Bullpen is up... *sigh*

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 09:14 PM
No one's perfect. But you can be far from perfect and close the door on this offense.

I hate that Hamilton's not starting. I hate that contract players get starts over hot hands, just because....

I partially agree. But you can't call Hamilton a "hot hand" based on one game against the Astros.

Falls City Beer
09-20-2013, 09:14 PM
Transaction of 2013: Liriano signing.

powersackers
09-20-2013, 09:15 PM
Chances of us getting to 5 runs tonight is less than 10% in my estimation. Maybe less

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 09:15 PM
Not our night


YET

Reds Freak
09-20-2013, 09:15 PM
No one's perfect. But you can be far from perfect and close the door on this offense.

I hate that Hamilton's not starting. I hate that contract players get starts over hot hands, just because....

Start BH over the guy with a contract who has the Reds lone RBI tonight?

toledodan
09-20-2013, 09:16 PM
My gosh, what luck...Jordy Mercer gets fooled badly but of course gets an RBI single on the dribbler to 3rd.

4-1

Bullpen is up... *sigh*

Its amazing what happens when you put the ball in play.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 09:16 PM
Transaction of 2013: Liriano signing.

Choo was a better get IMO

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:16 PM
Chances of us getting to 5 runs tonight is less than 10% in my estimation. Maybe less

"Maybe less" than "less than 10%"?!?!

Geez, I hope not. Not sure exactly what that means but it sounds really bad.

Falls City Beer
09-20-2013, 09:16 PM
I think the Reds will do well at home. But Latos is slumping, and this ain't the Astros. Gonna be a long weekend. I had the Reds winning one this weekend. Sunday.

OldXOhio
09-20-2013, 09:17 PM
YET

Latos has been off since the first pitch. Liriano's cruising against an offense that looks clueless at the plate. And now Ondrusek is warming in the pen. Sorry, but it's not our night....get 'em tomorrow.

Falls City Beer
09-20-2013, 09:18 PM
Choo was a better get IMO

Not in the same universe. And I like Choo a lot.

Raisor
09-20-2013, 09:18 PM
I think the Reds will do well at home. But Latos is slumping, and this ain't the Astros. Gonna be a long weekend. I had the Reds winning one this weekend. Sunday.

This is the FCB we all know and love! Welcome back bro!

Billy_Bearcat
09-20-2013, 09:19 PM
So much for that Pirate team that can't hit.

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:19 PM
Alright. Now 4-1.

I'm in the seeming minority of posters here in believing this game, with the 3-run differential, is still very winnable.

But Latos is making me very nervous. He has given up a couple bad but not disastrous innings. One more like that without some big response from our lineup and, in aggregate, a disaster (for this game) starts brewing.

Latos knows this is an important game, right? They're all important but this one, especially, is a big deal. He must realize that? C'mon Mat. Settle dang down, will ya?

BuckeyeRedleg
09-20-2013, 09:19 PM
Anyone wonder deep down what team Sean Casey is pulling for?

Nothing in particular about the way he's covering the game, I just think it could go either way.

powersackers
09-20-2013, 09:19 PM
"Maybe less" than "less than 10%"?!?!

Geez, I hope not. Not sure exactly what that means but it sounds really bad.

My attempt at a double negative equaling a positive?

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:20 PM
So much for that Pirate team that can't hit.

They won last night 10-1.

Kc61
09-20-2013, 09:20 PM
I think the Reds will do well at home. But Latos is slumping, and this ain't the Astros. Gonna be a long weekend. I had the Reds winning one this weekend. Sunday.

Homer will win tomorrow. Less sure of Sunday.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 09:20 PM
Latos has been off since the first pitch. Liriano's cruising against an offense that looks clueless at the plate. And now Ondrusek is warming in the pen. Sorry, but it's not our night....get 'em tomorrow.

Agree to disagree. We'll get to Liriano again. And even if Logan does come in...I'm confident he'll get the job done too.

As I was saying. :jump: TODD!

Falls City Beer
09-20-2013, 09:20 PM
So much for that Pirate team that can't hit.

They Pirates are not a good offensive team. Latos is slumping. Both Bailey and Arroyo should do better.

Raisor
09-20-2013, 09:20 PM
Around goes Frazier!

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:21 PM
Toddfather!!! Best Ever. At least right now. :thumbup:

OC_Red
09-20-2013, 09:21 PM
Flavafraz!!!! :beerme:


4-2...don't call it a comeback!

vaticanplum
09-20-2013, 09:21 PM
Frazier in da house!!

Liriano has given up eight homers this season. Pretty sure four of those have been to the Reds?

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:22 PM
Flavafraz!!!! :beerme:


4-2...don't call it a comeback!

Nope. You're exactly right. It's more a Gibbs Stayin' Alive kind of thing.

vaticanplum
09-20-2013, 09:22 PM
Question: rest considerations aside, does Latos's performance tonight (and perhaps Bailey's tomorrow) affect the decision of whether he pitches in a play-in game against the Pirates if it's in Pittsburgh?

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 09:22 PM
Yep, this game is over. :O)

Raisor
09-20-2013, 09:22 PM
Rocco!

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:23 PM
Meso!! We were sooooo close to doing a back-to-back right back at ya thing there. Still sweet.

But no, no "comeback" talk.

Kc61
09-20-2013, 09:24 PM
Should have hit for Latos.

George Foster
09-20-2013, 09:24 PM
Question: rest considerations aside, does Latos's performance tonight (and perhaps Bailey's tomorrow) affect the decision of whether he pitches in a play-in game against the Pirates if it's in Pittsburgh?

I was just typing the same question...and you have to think about game 5 to the giants too.

Baker has to be saying, "Who?"

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:25 PM
Until he actually swings, Latos looks like a guy, when at bat, who could slug at least as well as Drew Stubbs.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 09:25 PM
Question: rest considerations aside, does Latos's performance tonight (and perhaps Bailey's tomorrow) affect the decision of whether he pitches in a play-in game against the Pirates if it's in Pittsburgh?

It's driving me nuts that die-hard fans are just assuming we'll finish in the 2nd wild card slot. Absolutely nuts!

Take the division!!!

vaticanplum
09-20-2013, 09:25 PM
Until he actually swings, Latos looks like a guy, when at bat, who could slug at least as well as Drew Stubbs.

Fool's gold?

powersackers
09-20-2013, 09:25 PM
1-0 cards in the first

Kc61
09-20-2013, 09:26 PM
Just don't see why not let Soto or some other righty bat hit for Latos there.

He isn't pitching well. Why waste the double?

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:26 PM
I was just typing the same question...and you have to think about game 5 to the giants too.

Baker has to be saying, "Who?"

In isolation (those two games only), no. Those two games with the overall body of work? Yeah. I think Bailey might well be the better bet for a WC playoff.

vaticanplum
09-20-2013, 09:26 PM
It's driving me nuts that die-hard fans are just assuming we'll finish in the 2nd wild card slot. Absolutely nuts!

Take the division!!!

I specifically said "if", my friend. Mainly because if the game is in Cincinnati I'm assuming there's no question Latos will pitch. :)

Falls City Beer
09-20-2013, 09:26 PM
Question: rest considerations aside, does Latos's performance tonight (and perhaps Bailey's tomorrow) affect the decision of whether he pitches in a play-in game against the Pirates if it's in Pittsburgh?

Play in starters vs Pirates: Cueto followed by Leake.

Raisor
09-20-2013, 09:27 PM
It's driving me nuts that die-hard fans are just assuming we'll finish in the 2nd wild card slot. Absolutely nuts!

Take the division!!!

I still say they win the division by ten games

George Foster
09-20-2013, 09:27 PM
Choo looks like Stubbs leading off against a left handed pitcher..

Red Raindog
09-20-2013, 09:27 PM
Choo is over matched it seems

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:27 PM
It's driving me nuts that die-hard fans are just assuming we'll finish in the 2nd wild card slot. Absolutely nuts!

Take the division!!!

I'm assuming we'll at least be hosting a playoff. But also think the division is so very winnable.

kbrake
09-20-2013, 09:27 PM
Just don't see why not let Soto or some other righty bat hit for Latos there.

He isn't pitching well. Why waste the double?

Who do you bring in?

Falls City Beer
09-20-2013, 09:28 PM
It's driving me nuts that die-hard fans are just assuming we'll finish in the 2nd wild card slot. Absolutely nuts!

Take the division!!!

No way the Reds win the division.

Red Raindog
09-20-2013, 09:28 PM
I still say they win the division by ten games

I will take what you are drinking

Kc61
09-20-2013, 09:28 PM
Who do you bring in?

Ondrusek, Parra, Lecure, Chapman, Hoover, Partch, Duke or Marshall.

Raisor
09-20-2013, 09:29 PM
No way the Reds win the division.

How many kids do you have left?

George Foster
09-20-2013, 09:29 PM
In isolation (those two games only), no. Those two games with the overall body of work? Yeah. I think Bailey might well be the better bet for a WC playoff.

Game 5 was the biggest game of his career and he flopped. You can argue this is the 2nd biggest game of his career. Now I'm leaning toward Bailey.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 09:30 PM
I specifically said "if", my friend. Mainly because if the game is in Cincinnati I'm assuming there's no question Latos will pitch. :)

I know. It wasn't really directed at you VP. Just the general feeling around here lately. People are acting like there's no chance to make up 2 games. TWO games.

vaticanplum
09-20-2013, 09:30 PM
Ok, guys. We can discuss potential strategy for a number of scenarios during commercial breaks and still be die-hard fans who want the Reds to win the division, I promise.

And that wasn't direct at you, Sir Charles. I dig your sunshine and glitter.

kbrake
09-20-2013, 09:30 PM
Brewers just put up a 3 spot in the first inning.

George Foster
09-20-2013, 09:31 PM
I'm assuming we'll at least be hosting a playoff. But also think the division is so very winnable.

How can you assume that? with 5 more games against the Pirates?

OC_Red
09-20-2013, 09:31 PM
If I were Mat I would tell Devin he really needs to keep the glove still as he's going into his windup...looks like Devin has a nervous tic!

Good comeback on Tabata to get him.

Reds Freak
09-20-2013, 09:31 PM
Game 5 was the biggest game of his career and he flopped. You can argue this is the 2nd biggest game of his career. Now I'm leaning toward Bailey.

He did pretty well coming into Game 1.

Red Raindog
09-20-2013, 09:33 PM
Brewers just put up a 3 spot in the first inning.

would feel very good to get this game

Todd flashing leather again

OC_Red
09-20-2013, 09:33 PM
Frazier is earning his check tonight! Great play on Cutch!

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:33 PM
No way the Reds win the division.

Wow. You're pretty pessimistic. Definitely don't want whatever you're drinking. :D


How can you assume that? with 5 more games against the Pirates?

Well, I'm assuming we acquit ourselves well and take at least 4 of the 6.

757690
09-20-2013, 09:33 PM
Until he actually swings, Latos looks like a guy, when at bat, who could slug at least as well as Drew Stubbs.

What an insult... to Latos :cool:

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 09:33 PM
WOW WOW WOW WOW!

Love this game so far. Love it! Just change that scoreboard fellas. Defense in this game has been off the charts!

Raisor
09-20-2013, 09:33 PM
Todd Frazier will deserve to win a gold glove at some point.

vaticanplum
09-20-2013, 09:34 PM
I do feel like Todd Frazier is working off of some panicked ultimatum that someone gave him about playing on behalf of the entire team tonight.

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:34 PM
What an insult... to Latos :cool:

Aw, c'mon. We all know aces don't care about batting. That's part of what makes 'em aces. ;)

Now, about getting Latos up to true ace status....

George Foster
09-20-2013, 09:34 PM
He did pretty well coming into Game 1.

He had no time to think about that game and the Reds had the lead early. I believe he gets to wired up.

Kc61
09-20-2013, 09:34 PM
Game 5 was the biggest game of his career and he flopped. You can argue this is the 2nd biggest game of his career. Now I'm leaning toward Bailey.

I don't think Latos is choking. He hasn't been right all September. His K rate is way down. 3.6 Ks per nine innings this month. Last month was 6.9 and was 10.4 in July and 11 in June.

Falls City Beer
09-20-2013, 09:34 PM
Todd Frazier, the most underrated Red by a good distance.

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 09:35 PM
No way the Reds win the division.

Why? Because we have 2 teams to pass? That's the argument I'll never get. In order to catch the Cardinals, we have to win. If we do that, we pass the Pirates by default. Just win and we've got an excellent chance to catch the Cards.

toledodan
09-20-2013, 09:35 PM
It's driving me nuts that die-hard fans are just assuming we'll finish in the 2nd wild card slot. Absolutely nuts!

Take the division!!!

Its called being realistic. Its like listening to the chiefs fans here thinking they are heading to the super bowl.

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:35 PM
Todd Frazier, the most underrated Red by a good distance.

I think Billy beats him for being most underrated...at least in some eyes.

50YrRedsFan
09-20-2013, 09:36 PM
I know. It wasn't really directed at you VP. Just the general feeling around here lately. People are acting like there's no chance to make up 2 games. TWO games.

Sure there is......but the offense will have to step up. On Wednesday, the offense went dead from the 6th until the 13th inning. Only 3 hits so far tonight.
That won't work.

1940757690
09-20-2013, 09:37 PM
Why? Because we have 2 teams to pass? That's the argument I'll never get. In order to catch the Cardinals, we have to win. If we do that, we pass the Pirates by default. Just win and we've got an excellent chance to catch the Cards.

# of teams isn't the best metric given:

1. One of those is most of our remaining schedule
2. If we win tonight, we just need to "pass" one.

OC_Red
09-20-2013, 09:37 PM
Brother with a bomb right here...callin it! :thumbup:

vaticanplum
09-20-2013, 09:38 PM
Jeff Brantley insisting that "K" is the last letter both of struck and strike.

Kc61
09-20-2013, 09:38 PM
Todd Frazier, the most underrated Red by a good distance.

If he wants to be rated higher he shouldn't hit .237.

powersackers
09-20-2013, 09:38 PM
Andy Pettite is retiring! Again!

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 09:39 PM
Todd Frazier, the most underrated Red by a good distance.

Defensively, I agree. Although I still think people underrate Hanny's defense too.

OC_Red
09-20-2013, 09:40 PM
I love the Mayor, but he's just rough to listen to...

_Sir_Charles_
09-20-2013, 09:40 PM
Jeez, I thought Votto was slow. Luddy put him to shame there.

George Foster
09-20-2013, 09:40 PM
Brother with a bomb right here...callin it! :thumbup:

:(:(:( Nice protection for Votto. How about the hottest hitter on the team should hit 4th instead of 5th?

Red Raindog
09-20-2013, 09:40 PM
that was less than exciting Luddy

OldXOhio
09-20-2013, 09:41 PM
I love the Mayor, but he's just rough to listen to...

I've put on the PIT broadcast. And they're no great shakes.