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Matt700wlw
09-23-2013, 03:26 PM
Choo
Phillips
Votto
Ludwick
Bruce
Frazier
Cozart
Hanigan
Cueto

redsfan30
09-23-2013, 03:33 PM
Absolutely cannot have a letdown in this series. 2 out of 3 is required....minimum.

dsmith421
09-23-2013, 03:36 PM
I understand that it's small sample size and he could well turn into a pumpkin once exposed for an extended period, but I can't see any logic to sitting Billy Hamilton at this stage in the game.

Matt700wlw
09-23-2013, 03:38 PM
For those who care, here's the Mets lineup.

Young LF
Murphy 2B
Wright 3B
Duda 1B (or as I call him, Camptown Races ;) )
Brown RF
Lagares CF
D’Arnaud C
Quintanilla SS
Harang P

NebraskaRed
09-23-2013, 03:51 PM
http://simlb.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/apu-mets-jersey2.jpg?w=610&h=378

cumberlandreds
09-23-2013, 03:55 PM
Absolutely cannot have a letdown in this series. 2 out of 3 is required....minimum.

They need to win every day if they expect to win the division.

They cannot let up. The Mets are playing good baseball right now. They have 7 of 10. They have brought up a lot of young guys and they aren't just going through the motions. Also David Wright just got off the DL. I expect some tight games the next three days.

RedsBrick
09-23-2013, 03:56 PM
I understand that it's small sample size and he could well turn into a pumpkin once exposed for an extended period, but I can't see any logic to sitting Billy Hamilton at this stage in the game.

I love when that guy's in the line-up!

I also see the need to keep Ludwick going. Could really use a hot streak from him...

PepperJack
09-23-2013, 03:59 PM
This would appear to be Dusty's # 1 lineup to close out this season, and for the playoffs.

He has moved Bruce back down to 5th for the 4th straight game, despite playing well while hitting 4th.

Also, if the playoff rotation would feature Latos/Bailey/Cueto/Arroyo, as it seems the Reds have it set up for, then Hanigan is the bulk catcher, getting 3 of those 4.

Not arguing or complaining really, just pointing those trends out to see if someone sees things differently.

Gizmo
09-23-2013, 04:02 PM
They need to win every day if they expect to win the division.

They cannot let up. The Mets are playing good baseball right now. They have 7 of 10. They have brought up a lot of young guys and they aren't just going through the motions. Also David Wright just got off the DL. I expect some tight games the next three days.

While I'd love for them to win out and take the division, I'd hate for them to win out and have the Cards go 5-1. Now we're on a 7 game winning streak and MUST make it 8. I'd almost rather them get a loss out of the way in the middle of the week, then win 5 or 6 in a row into the NLDS. I'm happy with them just winning the next 5 series.

_Sir_Charles_
09-23-2013, 04:21 PM
From CTrent:

Here’s an interesting tidbit — it would take a lot to happen, but headed into the last week of the season, the Reds still have a chance at not only the division, but also the National League’s best record.

Atlanta has 92 wins, St. Louis 91 and Los Angeles 90. The Reds have 89. It shows that there’s no runaway best team in the NL this year.

_Sir_Charles_
09-23-2013, 04:24 PM
Absolutely cannot have a letdown in this series. 2 out of 3 is required....minimum.

Heck with that....WIN OUT! 6 for 6! :thumbup:

Tom Servo
09-23-2013, 04:32 PM
http://metsmerizedonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/tumblr_lhk1g4rZ791qcd61wo1_500.jpg

BungleBengals
09-23-2013, 05:22 PM
Just looked it up and this is the exact same lineup as Opening Day. Feels weird to think that the last time we saw this lineup was nearly 6 months ago...

redsmetz
09-23-2013, 05:39 PM
Just looked it up and this is the exact same lineup as Opening Day. Feels weird to think that the last time we saw this lineup was nearly 6 months ago...

I think this will be the giant "what if" for the 2013 season.

BTW, I'm with the crowd of desiring nothing short of six wins to close out the regular season. I understand that we'll still be in the play-offs, but I'm not satisfied with just making the play-offs. I very much would like the division crown. I'll be happy playing as a wild card, but not as happy as I'd be being the division champs.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 06:04 PM
Agree that this series could be competitive. Mets are a .500 team away from Citifield. Play much worse at home.

Reds just have to put blinders on and win as many as they can. Home is the place to do it.

oneupper
09-23-2013, 08:12 PM
Harang with the highest BA in the Mets Lineup! :eek:

lollipopcurve
09-23-2013, 08:13 PM
I'm going to recommend listening to the Mets announcers tonight, if you have the EI package. They're good. PLus, if the Reds do poorly tonight, T. Brennaman could be unlistenable.

MillerTime58
09-23-2013, 08:16 PM
Billy Hamilton should absolutely be sitting on the bench. Choo and Ludwick need to be fully ready to go for the playoffs. Billy's role will be to pinch run in close games, and maybe be a late defensive replacement.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 08:24 PM
Billy Hamilton should absolutely be sitting on the bench. Choo and Ludwick need to be fully ready to go for the playoffs. Billy's role will be to pinch run in close games, and maybe be a late defensive replacement.

Wonder if Choo should have sat out tonight and tomorrow (lefty tomorrow).

Just wondering if his thumb is really ok.

These guys are so competitive they probably say "I'm ok" all the time, reflexively.

No way to know but wouldn't have been a tragedy if BH played these two games.

Hope it works out.

_Sir_Charles_
09-23-2013, 08:24 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I absolutely LOVE seeing Harang on the mound again in Cincy. Class act all the way.

mbgrayson
09-23-2013, 08:24 PM
I like Aaron Harang as a man, but the Reds need to beat him like a rented mule....

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2013, 08:25 PM
I think Harang has pitched for half of MLB the last 2-3 years.

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2013, 08:26 PM
Marty just went all 60s campy Batman re: Harang: "A fine citizen."

Kc61
09-23-2013, 08:26 PM
Mets TV guys talking about the Votto walk thing. Announcers are highly complimentary of the Reds.

Red Raindog
09-23-2013, 08:27 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I absolutely LOVE seeing Harang on the mound again in Cincy. Class act all the way.

as long he gets an L -- I'm with you

MillerTime58
09-23-2013, 08:28 PM
Wonder if Choo should have sat out tonight and tomorrow (lefty tomorrow).

Just wondering if his thumb is really ok.

These guys are so competitive they probably say "I'm ok" all the time, reflexively.

No way to know but wouldn't have been a tragedy if BH played these two games.

Hope it works out.Against the lefty tomorrow would be a good time to get Billy a start. I'm not saying he should get no playing time, just that if Luddy and Choo are healthy, they should be playing as they normally would. A good way to get Billy in would be for Choo tomorrow and for Ludwick on Wednesday.

BCubb2003
09-23-2013, 08:29 PM
Mets TV guys talking about the Votto walk thing. Announcers are highly complimentary of the Reds.

Ted Williams and Frank Thomas are good comps.

_Sir_Charles_
09-23-2013, 08:29 PM
Yeah, don't get me wrong...I want the Reds to tattoo Harangatang.

MillerTime58
09-23-2013, 08:30 PM
I like Aaron Harang as a man, but the Reds need to beat him like a rented mule....That's essentially what he actually is these days, right?

With all due respect to Aaron, of course.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 08:30 PM
Against the lefty tomorrow would be a good time to get Billy a start. I'm not saying he should get no playing time, just that if Luddy and Choo are healthy, they should be playing as they normally would. A good way to get Billy in would be for Choo tomorrow and for Ludwick on Wednesday.

Yeah, it's really a question of getting the most out of all three players. In light of the Choo injury and Ludwick's injured season.

Now Mets announcers talking up Jay Bruce. Deservedly.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 08:32 PM
Harang is not the same pitcher as he was, but he is a pretty smart pitcher. He pitched Ludwick very well. Bruce might have been a tad more patient. No score after one inning.

757690
09-23-2013, 08:33 PM
Weak ground out on 3-0. Huge fine in kangaroo court, and just really dumb baseball.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 08:38 PM
Single for the young Mets catcher, no score, top second, two outs, one on.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 08:41 PM
Cueto still using the big turn, just not as severe. Mostly throwing high eighties so far, lot of off speed.

2-2 count on the Mets shortstop Quintenilla. 93 MPH fastball strike three.

Harang with 21 pitches in first inning, Reds need to be patient and wear him down.

mbgrayson
09-23-2013, 08:41 PM
Johnny Be Good. Thru two innings, 31 pitches, 2 Ks, no runs, one hit, one walk. Fastball is at 91-93 mph.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 08:44 PM
Frazier bunts foul on first pitch. Then he doubles to right center.

Good thing, or the foul bunt may have woken up the game thread.

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2013, 08:47 PM
Dang. C'mon, Berry! Send him.

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2013, 08:51 PM
Big knock by Choo. 1-0 Redlegs. :beerme:

Kc61
09-23-2013, 08:51 PM
Like I said, glad they chose to play Choo tonight.

Tom Servo
09-23-2013, 08:51 PM
Choo delivers!

RedLegsToday
09-23-2013, 08:52 PM
Choo!

Tom Servo
09-23-2013, 08:53 PM
Choo barely swipes 2nd. Not really worth the risk, but it worked.

MillerTime58
09-23-2013, 08:54 PM
Choo is on the verge of a 20/20 season. On top of the ridiculous # of times he's been on base. Can we please resign him?

oneupper
09-23-2013, 08:56 PM
Choo barely swipes 2nd. Not really worth the risk, but it worked.

Murphy's tag missed completely, you could see it on the replay.

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2013, 08:58 PM
Bases-loaded BB to Votto. 2-0 Reds

Tom Servo
09-23-2013, 08:58 PM
Votto gets paid for walking! 2-0 Reds.

BCubb2003
09-23-2013, 08:58 PM
Votto with the productive walk.

MillerTime58
09-23-2013, 08:58 PM
Ah, the ultimate clash of philosophies there....Votto walks, but gets a coveted RBI. Are both sides happy? Neither?

50YrRedsFan
09-23-2013, 08:58 PM
One would think this game would be no problem, but it all depends on which Reds offense shows up.

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2013, 08:59 PM
Ah, the ultimate clash of philosophies there....Votto walks, but gets a coveted RBI. Are both sides happy? Neither?

Ha. Perfect. :D

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2013, 09:00 PM
Ray Fosse wishes it was Choo coming home back in the day. :p

BCubb2003
09-23-2013, 09:01 PM
That one's going to stay in the park.

50YrRedsFan
09-23-2013, 09:01 PM
Is that a compliment to Votto, or an insult to Ludwick. Would rather walk Votto to walk in 1, rather than give him something to clear the bases with.

Falcon7
09-23-2013, 09:02 PM
Votto with the productive walk.

Nothing even close to swing at.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:04 PM
I just logged on after watching that inning Harrang did not want to walk Brandon but I believe he walked Joey on purpose after he fell behind 2-0, to get to Luddy. It worked out for them.

50YrRedsFan
09-23-2013, 09:04 PM
Error on Frazier's throw, and Harang ends up on 2nd.

Red Raindog
09-23-2013, 09:05 PM
I apologize for complimenting Frazier's D yesterday ---- el jinxo

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:05 PM
Cueto not a gold glover...:thumbdown:

redsfaninbsg
09-23-2013, 09:05 PM
Mercy me. Big spot early in the game here.

PuffyPig
09-23-2013, 09:06 PM
Weak ground out on 3-0. Huge fine in kangaroo court, and just really dumb baseball.

What would be really dumb baseball is never varying what you do.

You can't simply never swing 3-0, otherwise you will become too predictable.

Bruce with two runners on swinging 3-0 if he gets the "automatic strike" may make sense in many circumstances.

I'm not sure if Bruce got a fat pitch to hit, but if he did I don't mind taking a swing at in in the right circumstances.

Is it dumb baseball if he got a 3-run HR?

50YrRedsFan
09-23-2013, 09:07 PM
Cueto not sharp...40+ pitches already with 0 out in the 3rd.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:07 PM
What would be really dumb baseball is never varying what you do.

You can't simply never swing 3-0, otherwise you will become too predictable.

Bruce with two runners on swinging 3-0 if he gets the "automatic strike" may make sense in many circumstances.

I'm not sure if Bruce got a fat pitch to hit, but if he did I don't mind taking a swing at in in the right circumstances.

Is it dumb baseball if he got a 3-run HR?

I like Jay's chances, giving him the green light against Harang in this ball park.

MillerTime58
09-23-2013, 09:08 PM
Ludwick is worrying me. He should definitely be batting 5th instead of 4th. If Harang would rather walk in a run to face Luddy, then that's not good at all.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:09 PM
Cueto not sharp...40+ pitches already with 0 out in the 3rd.

We have all thought about this for 2 weeks. Who is pitching good enough to start the 1 game playoff? I'm at a loss. I'm leaning for Leake...I swear.

MillerTime58
09-23-2013, 09:10 PM
We have all thought about this for 2 weeks. Who is pitching good enough to start the 1 game playoff? I'm at a loss. I'm leaning for Leake...I swear.You pitch Latos of course.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:12 PM
You pitch Latos of course.

Well, he pitches Wed. we will see how that goes....

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:12 PM
Bruce should not have swung on 3-0. It just wasn't that good a pitch. It was borderline low and outside.

I have no problem swinging 3-0 but with the bases loaded you have to make sure you are swinging at a very easy pitch to hit.

BuckeyeRedleg
09-23-2013, 09:12 PM
Why not walk Wright here?

PuffyPig
09-23-2013, 09:13 PM
We have all thought about this for 2 weeks. Who is pitching good enough to start the 1 game playoff? I'm at a loss. I'm leaning for Leake...I swear.

It depends if you judge "who's pitching well" based on their last start.

If that's the case, you ned to wait to see their last start.

Of course, it will pretty much be Latos as he's the one set up to do so, as he will have the proper rest.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:13 PM
You pitch Latos of course.

Latos said today he is pitching with an abdominal strain.

MillerTime58
09-23-2013, 09:13 PM
Well, he pitches Wed. we will see how that goes....Unless he pulls a Jeff Locke, I'm still starting him in the WC game regardless of Wednesday's results.

757690
09-23-2013, 09:13 PM
What would be really dumb baseball is never varying what you do.

You can't simply never swing 3-0, otherwise you will become too predictable.

Bruce with two runners on swinging 3-0 if he gets the "automatic strike" may make sense in many circumstances.

I'm not sure if Bruce got a fat pitch to hit, but if he did I don't mind taking a swing at in in the right circumstances.

Is it dumb baseball if he got a 3-run HR?

I have no problem with Bruce swinging 3-0. But a weak grounder to 2B means he didn't get his pitch to hit, or was fooled. You only swing if you get your pitch and you're ready for it. Clearly that is not what happened.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:14 PM
I have no problem with Bruce swinging 3-0. But a weak grounder to 2B means he didn't get his pitch to hit, or was fooled. You only swing if you get your pitch and you're ready for it. Clearly that is not what happened.

He did not get a pitch to hit, he seemed fooled by the pitch. Borderline pitch at best.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:15 PM
It depends if you judge "who's pitching well" based on their last start.

If that's the case, you ned to wait to see their last start.

Of course, it will pretty much be Latos as he's the one set up to do so, as he will have the proper rest.

I agree...I think the decision has already been made, but He better pitch lights out against a sub .500 mets team on Wed. or the fans and the press will be all over it, and Latos will be in a good frame of mind if Wed does not go well.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:17 PM
Like I said, Latos is not healthy right now. So the Reds have a decision to make.

PuffyPig
09-23-2013, 09:17 PM
I have no problem with Bruce swinging 3-0. But a weak grounder to 2B means he didn't get his pitch to hit, or was fooled. You only swing if you get your pitch and you're ready for it. Clearly that is not what happened.

You seemed to imply it was dumb to swing 3-0, so we may have misinterpreted your meaning.

But batters ofter get their pitch and ground out. Baseball is hard.

Tom Servo
09-23-2013, 09:17 PM
Hanigan the Manigan with the gun!

PuffyPig
09-23-2013, 09:18 PM
Now that was dumb.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:18 PM
thank you mets...that was stupid with 2 outs... he scores on a single easy.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:18 PM
Great throw by Hanigan.

Reds better be ready with the pen, Cueto throwing a lot of pitches now. 2-1 after two and a half.

757690
09-23-2013, 09:18 PM
What's that rule? Never make the first or third out at third?

50YrRedsFan
09-23-2013, 09:18 PM
Cueto gets out of trouble cheaply enough. 2-1 Reds, mid 3

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:19 PM
You seemed to imply it was dumb to swing 3-0, so we may have misinterpreted your meaning.

But batters ofter get their pitch and ground out. Baseball is hard.

honestly, it was just bad luck. We all have seen when a pitcher is down 3-0 he grooves one right down the middle because the batter usually is taking.

50YrRedsFan
09-23-2013, 09:20 PM
Reds have left 5 runners on base in 2 innings......time to get some home.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:21 PM
Great throw by Hanigan.

Reds better be ready with the pen, Cueto throwing a lot of pitches now. 2-1 after two and a half.

look for Reynolds...he should be rested...I don't want to see him pitch, but he could pitch tonight.

50YrRedsFan
09-23-2013, 09:22 PM
Harang has walked 3 in 2 innings, so of course, Bruce and Frazier are hacking away.
3 pitches for 2 outs. sheesh

50YrRedsFan
09-23-2013, 09:23 PM
Pirates up 1-0 over Cubs, top 2.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:24 PM
With a guy struggling to throw strikes, Bruce and Hanny swing at the 1 pitch....I just don't get it.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:24 PM
Reds lead Mets 2-1 after three. Pirates lead Cubs 1-0 in the first. Nats batting in first inning at Cards.

50YrRedsFan
09-23-2013, 09:24 PM
and Hanigan swings at the 1st pitch.....will they ever learn?

Tom Servo
09-23-2013, 09:24 PM
and Hanigan swings at the 1st pitch.....will they ever learn?
Nope, the Reds are the worst at everything.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:24 PM
With a guy struggling to throw strikes, Bruce and Hanny swing at the 1 pitch....I just don't get it.

Maybe they got pitches they thought they could hit well.

Ironman92
09-23-2013, 09:25 PM
Thank God Cozart had some patience that inning....the other 3 made 3 outs in 4 pitches

I don't trust any Reds player on 3-0.....Choo and Votto I'm ok with but no one else...especially Bruce, Phillips and Luddy.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:25 PM
Nats 2-0 on homer by Werth.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:25 PM
and Hanigan swings at the 1st pitch.....will they ever learn?

This team will not go down in history being crafty and working the pitch count.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:26 PM
Ludwick nice catch.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 09:27 PM
Jayson Werth just went yard to LF on Wainwright. They called it 430 feet. Nats 2-0 over Redbirds top first. :thumbup:

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:27 PM
Dunn catches that ball standing up......:D

Falcon7
09-23-2013, 09:29 PM
Dunn catches that ball standing up......:D

Choo catches it on one hop.

BCubb2003
09-23-2013, 09:30 PM
Billy Hamilton catches it from center.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 09:30 PM
Nice inning for Johnny. Though he looked cool and relaxed last night in PIttsburgh as they boarded the buses. This inning he looked like it too.

Red Raindog
09-23-2013, 09:30 PM
Dunn catches that ball standing up......:D

Gomes too!

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:30 PM
good inning for Cueto...maybe we can avoid Reynolds.

Here is a question for ya.....do we take 4 lefthanders on the playoff roster? I say Duke is out, I say Reynolds is out.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 09:31 PM
Billy Hamilton catches it from center.

Would Billy have known Harang was on 3rd and thrown him out at home last inning?

oneupper
09-23-2013, 09:31 PM
Maybe they got pitches they thought they could hit well.

Harang's got nothing. The REDS need to get to him before the bullpen takes over.

Stray
09-23-2013, 09:32 PM
Old timer speaking the truth

PuffyPig
09-23-2013, 09:33 PM
This team will not go down in history being crafty and working the pitch count.

Yet here they are, leading the NL by far in walks.

And as I type this, there's Cueto swinging at the first pitch....

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:33 PM
"Damn shame about Pete Rose" He-larious!!!:laugh::laugh:

Roy Tucker
09-23-2013, 09:34 PM
Shake his damn hand, Jim Day.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 09:34 PM
Old timer speaking the truth

What a great interview. Best part: Johnny Bench could hold 7 baseballs in one hand. :D

BCubb2003
09-23-2013, 09:34 PM
Would Billy have known Harang was on 3rd and thrown him out at home last inning?

Billy would have raced Harang to the plate and tagged him.

oneupper
09-23-2013, 09:34 PM
Old timer speaking the truth

103 and at the ballpark. Way to go.

RedsBrick
09-23-2013, 09:34 PM
Old timer speaking the truth

That was an awesome interview! 103! I'm better for having seen it...

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:35 PM
Yet here they are, leading the NL by far in walks.

And as I type this, there's Cueto swinging at the first pitch....

Votto's walk total sort of screws those numbers a little..;)

Ironman92
09-23-2013, 09:35 PM
That 103 year old was awesome. Good for him.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:36 PM
Cueto singles and Choo/Phillips fly out.

Up to Votto.

Roy Tucker
09-23-2013, 09:38 PM
Votto thinks a lot.

PepperJack
09-23-2013, 09:39 PM
Thank God Cozart had some patience that inning....the other 3 made 3 outs in 4 pitches

I don't trust any Reds player on 3-0.....Choo and Votto I'm ok with but no one else...especially Bruce, Phillips and Luddy.



Choo has had an at bat end after 3-0 count 23 times this year, all ended in walks.

Bruce has had an at bat end after 3-0 count 22 times this season... he is 2-4, with a HR, and 18 BBs... so I wouldn't trust him either if I was you.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:39 PM
Luddy has to deliver here...Votto not getting ANY protection...none...come on Dusty...

NebraskaRed
09-23-2013, 09:40 PM
Did Ludwick make a promise to a dying kid that he'd swing at the first pitch every time?

Red Raindog
09-23-2013, 09:40 PM
That 103 year old was awesome. Good for him.

sounds like that may be the first time I've felt like I missed something all year by having it on mute

oneupper
09-23-2013, 09:41 PM
Ludwick was 14 for 36 vs Harang before tonight.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:41 PM
Ludwick will buy Harrang something for Father's Day this year....Brutal.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:41 PM
Did Ludwick make a promise to a dying kid that he'd swing at the first pitch every time?

The problem isn't that he's swinging at the first pitch.

The problem is that he's left 7 runners on base in four innings.

C'mon Ludwick.

50YrRedsFan
09-23-2013, 09:41 PM
Cards with 2, 2 out hits for a run, now 2-1 Nats

1940757690
09-23-2013, 09:42 PM
Molina drives in a run with 2 outs before the Nats' 7-0 late-season callup (who only recently took over the 5th rotation spot), Tanner Roarke, gets out of the inning with STL stranding two.

End 1.
Nats 2, Cards 1.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:43 PM
Reds with five hits and five walks in four innings, two runs.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:43 PM
The problem isn't that he's swinging at the first pitch.

The problem is that he's left 7 runners on base in four innings.

C'mon Ludwick.

Is it not Dusty's responsibility to build a line-up that provides some protection for Votto? He's walked 3 times in 4 innings.

50YrRedsFan
09-23-2013, 09:43 PM
8 left on base in 4 innings.......we should have blown Harang out of this game in the 2nd inning.

PuffyPig
09-23-2013, 09:43 PM
Votto's walk total sort of screws those numbers a little..;)

If he had half as many as he does, they'd still be close to the lead.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:45 PM
8 left on base in 4 innings.......we should have blown Harang out of this game in the 2nd inning.

There is a reason that the Reds, Padres, Dodgers, and Seattle gave up on him.

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:46 PM
Is it not Dusty's responsibility to build a line-up that provides some protection for Votto? He's walked 3 times in 4 innings.

LOL, Votto walked over 100 times when Ryan Ludwick was out injured. I don't think Lud is causing the walks.

Issue tonight is simply that Ludwick has had a very bad night so far.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 09:46 PM
8 left on base in 4 innings.......we should have blown Harang out of this game in the 2nd inning.

Yep. Just like they did to Locke yesterday. He looked no worse than Harang.

RedLegsToday
09-23-2013, 09:48 PM
If he had half as many as he does, they'd still be close to the lead.

The Reds would still have the league leader in walks, and it still wouldn't be particularly close.

kaldaniels
09-23-2013, 09:48 PM
Not convinced BP's extension was a bad thing.

RedsBrick
09-23-2013, 09:49 PM
DatDude is a beast!

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:49 PM
Mets announcers applauding BP's defense, wondering why he doesn't win the GG award every year, even though Barney makes fewer errors.

Maybe Reds should borrow the Mets TV announcers for one game. Might get some better press.

Kidding

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:51 PM
LOL, Votto walked over 100 times when Ryan Ludwick was out injured. I don't think Lud is causing the walks.

Issue tonight is simply that Ludwick has had a very bad night so far.

LOL,I totally disagree tonight. Luddy is the cause for the walks tonight. Votto was walked to get to Luddy especially the last 2 times.

Who do you think would protect Joey more over the long hall, Luddy or Bruce?

Why not bat Joey 2nd, Phillips 3rd and Bruce 4th?

This is not the same Luddy as 2012...not even close.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 09:55 PM
This is one of those times where no real advantage to keep elevating Harang's pitch count (now 81). He should be at least as much fun for the hitters as anyone coming out of the Mets' pen.

50YrRedsFan
09-23-2013, 09:55 PM
LOL,I totally disagree tonight. Luddy is the cause for the walks tonight. Votto was walked to get to Luddy especially the last 2 times.

Who do you think would protect Joey more over the long hall, Luddy or Bruce?

Why not bat Joey 2nd, Phillips 3rd and Bruce 4th?

This is not the same Luddy as 2012...not even close.

My lineup would be:

BHam
Choo
Votto
BPhillips
Bruce
Frazier
Cozart
Hanigan
Pitcher

Kc61
09-23-2013, 09:55 PM
LOL,I totally disagree tonight. Luddy is the cause for the walks tonight. Votto was walked to get to Luddy especially the last 2 times.

Who do you think would protect Joey more over the long hall, Luddy or Bruce?

Why not bat Joey 2nd, Phillips 3rd and Bruce 4th?

This is not the same Luddy as 2012...not even close.

I don't know what is going through the Mets' mind. It is possible they are pitching around Votto.

But keep in mind Ludwick missed four and a half months. The Reds may feel he will get going soon.

You might also note that Ludwick has a 1.056 OPS in his career against Harang including three homers.

And Bruce is hitless tonight

So it's an arguable point which unfortunately hasn't worked out well tonight.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 09:56 PM
My lineup would be:

BHam
Choo
Votto
BPhillips
Bruce
Frazier
Cozart
Hanigan
Pitcher

Can't disagree with any of it... especially against a righty.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 09:57 PM
My lineup would be:

BHam
Choo
Votto
BPhillips
Bruce
Frazier
Cozart
Hanigan
Pitcher

I like it except at catcher. Increasingly feeling like playing Meso more regularly would be a very good thing for us.

50YrRedsFan
09-23-2013, 09:58 PM
I like it except at catcher. Increasingly feeling like playing Meso more regularly would be a very good thing for us.

Mes would be my 1st choice, but I was assuming he is hurt.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 10:00 PM
I don't know what is going through the Mets' mind. It is possible they are pitching around Votto.

But keep in mind Ludwick missed four and a half months. The Reds may feel he will get going soon.

You might also note that Ludwick has a 1.056 OPS in his career against Harang including three homers.

And Bruce is hitless tonight

So it's an arguable point which unfortunately hasn't worked out well tonight.

I hope he does get going soon. If not I got to set him. This is not about Luddy and his self esteem. This is about winning the division or a one game playoff. I bet a dollar to a donut that Hamilton does not start a one game playoff and Ludwick will start no matter how bad he is batting.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 10:00 PM
Mes would be my 1st choice, but I was assuming he is hurt.

Not what his uncle theorized for me at PNC yesterday before offering me a beer.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 10:01 PM
I hope he does get going soon. If not I got to set him. This is not about Luddy and his self esteem. This is about winning the division or a one game playoff. I bet a dollar to a donut that Hamilton does not start a one game playoff and Ludwick will start no matter how bad he is batting.

Perfect case where a "like" wouldn't suffice. I agree. But, don't like. Don't like at all.

RedsBrick
09-23-2013, 10:01 PM
Not what his uncle theorized for me at PNC yesterday before offering me a beer.

Well, are you just going to leave us hanging?

50YrRedsFan
09-23-2013, 10:03 PM
This is the type of game that makes me nervous, and very frustrated. Facing a pitcher
who we should arguably beat up on, and we can't get anything done. At the same time, the opposition is staying close enough to win this game.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 10:04 PM
This is the type of game that makes me nervous, and very frustrated. Facing a pitcher
who we should arguably beat up on, and we can't get anything done. At the same time, the opposition is staying close enough to win this game.

It happens at least once a week...right?

RedlegJake
09-23-2013, 10:05 PM
Cozart - nice grab

Kc61
09-23-2013, 10:05 PM
I hope he does get going soon. If not I got to set him. This is not about Luddy and his self esteem. This is about winning the division or a one game playoff. I bet a dollar to a donut that Hamilton does not start a one game playoff and Ludwick will start no matter how bad he is batting.

When a batter, Ludwick, has by far the most exposure to a pitcher, Harang, 36 at bats, and has over 1.000 OPS against him, he usually gets to play.

It's not self esteem. Jay Bruce lifetime is 0-5 against him and has nothing tonight.

So hitting Ludwick fourth is reasonable. He also got three hits the other night.

The Reds are handling their lineups quite well, making appropriate use of Hamilton. Some games go well, some are tougher.

So rather than have posters list 100 other possible lineups, which we all know anyway, let's just enjoy the game.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 10:05 PM
Well, are you just going to leave us hanging?

Sorry, thought I posted this on last night's game thread but was probably too late for many to see it since well after the game ended.

We talked for maybe 15 or 20 min. He was frustrated with what he believed to be Dusty's blind spot for playing veterans over youth even when a cooler performance/potential analysis might dictate otherwise. I agreed with him citing Hanny's starts at 3rd and the stubborn continuation of trotting Duke out in bad situations as possible examples of that phenomenon.

NebraskaRed
09-23-2013, 10:05 PM
This is the type of game that makes me nervous, and very frustrated. Facing a pitcher
who we should arguably beat up on, and we can't get anything done. At the same time, the opposition is staying close enough to win this game.

Other than Ludwick (before tonight at least) nobody on the Reds has every hit Harang particularly well.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 10:05 PM
ah....right down broadway....

Tom Servo
09-23-2013, 10:05 PM
This is the type of game that makes me nervous, and very frustrated. Facing a pitcher
who we should arguably beat up on, and we can't get anything done. At the same time, the opposition is staying close enough to win this game.
I'm pretty sure all games make you nervous and very frustrated. :laugh:

Stray
09-23-2013, 10:05 PM
Looks like vintage cueto. Guys can't square the ball up on him.

And of course I'm typing this and he gives up a homer lol.

RedlegJake
09-23-2013, 10:06 PM
there goes the shot we feared

RedlegJake
09-23-2013, 10:06 PM
let a weak team hang around...

WebScorpion
09-23-2013, 10:06 PM
Reds offense needs to give Johnny a little support here... :clap:

Kc61
09-23-2013, 10:07 PM
When you leave all those guys on base early, the games often become very tough late.

Hopefully Reds will put something together.

I would take Cueto out, he's had enough after a big injury.

NebraskaRed
09-23-2013, 10:07 PM
Question is, do you send Cueto back out there next inning?

George Foster
09-23-2013, 10:07 PM
Sorry, thought I posted this on last night's game thread but was probably too late for many to see it since well after the game ended.

We talked for maybe 15 or 20 min. He was frustrated with what he believed to be Dusty's blind spot for playing veterans over youth even when a cooler performance/potential analysis might dictate otherwise. I agreed with him citing Hanny's starts at 3rd and the stubborn continuation of trotting Duke out in bad situations as possible examples of that phenomenon.

Well that tells me that Mez feels that way and expressed that to his uncle. Which also tells me that maybe more on the team feels the same way.

His uncle said what most of us have expressed on this board about Dusty.

kaldaniels
09-23-2013, 10:09 PM
The correct emotion to have now is

1) *sigh*
2) whoa is me
3) the sky is falling

???

RedlegJake
09-23-2013, 10:09 PM
I'll pick *sigh*

too hard to drink beer and feel whoa is me...or see the sky falling as you tilt your head back...gets me all dizzy

Tom Servo
09-23-2013, 10:09 PM
let a weak team hang around...
Not like the Mets are ahead, 2 runs probably wasn't going to do it anyway. They need to score more runs, doesn't matter to me if it's in the 1st or the 8th.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 10:10 PM
Hannigan....:confused::confused:

Kc61
09-23-2013, 10:10 PM
Well that tells me that Mez feels that way and expressed that to his uncle. Which also tells me that maybe more on the team feels the same way.

His uncle said what most of us have expressed on this board about Dusty.

Funny, it tells me nothing except an uncle's view.

Wouldn't let Cueto hit here. Reds have pushed him far enough.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 10:10 PM
Well that tells me that Mez feels that way and expressed that to his uncle. Which also tells me that maybe more on the team feels the same way.

His uncle said what most of us have expressed on this board about Dusty.

Yep. I didn't say it was novel. Just sharing the view. I'm not one of the Dusty bashers here but do agree with teh view. Davey Johnson has the exact same virus in DC.

PuffyPig
09-23-2013, 10:11 PM
Well that tells me that Mez feels that way and expressed that to his uncle. Which also tells me that maybe more on the team feels the same way.

His uncle said what most of us have expressed on this board about Dusty.

Mes has had all the opportunity in the world to take hold of the position full time, yet regresses every time he looks to have taken a step forward.

RedlegJake
09-23-2013, 10:12 PM
I think nearly every big league manager trusts veterans more unless a young kid has Mike Trout type talent

Kc61
09-23-2013, 10:12 PM
Hard for me to see Cueto going out there again. He's been fine, but you just wonder if he has enough for the later innings.

Would hate for the Reds to fall behind in the game, hope Dusty is making the correct call.

Tom Servo
09-23-2013, 10:13 PM
ahhh damnit, thought Choo had it.

Reds Fanatic
09-23-2013, 10:13 PM
Wow. I thought that was gone off the bat.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 10:13 PM
Funny, it tells me nothing except an uncle's view.

Wouldn't let Cueto hit here. Reds have pushed him far enough.

Re: The Uncle's view. To each his own.
Re: Cueto. Totally agree.

Roy Tucker
09-23-2013, 10:14 PM
I wouldn't have let Cueto hit. You need to treat these games as playoff games now.

kaldaniels
09-23-2013, 10:15 PM
I want to know if Cueto can handle the load in the playoffs. Send him back out.

I understand the opposing view.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 10:16 PM
I wouldn't have let Cueto hit. You need to treat these games as playoff games now.

According to Dusty, these are not must win games.. not being smart, just a quote.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 10:16 PM
I think nearly every big league manager trusts veterans more unless a young kid has Mike Trout type talent

I think there's a ton of grey around that statement depending on the kid, the manager and the trend over time. Davey's as likely to make the mistake with youngsters who "remind him of [himself]" like Danny Espinosa as sticking with declining veterans too long (LaRoche).

Stray
09-23-2013, 10:17 PM
Cueto has pitched well and isn't laboring. What's the problem exactly?

Kc61
09-23-2013, 10:17 PM
I want to know if Cueto can handle the load in the playoffs. Send him back out.

I understand the opposing view.

Guessing that you've correctly stated the reason the Reds have kept Johnny out there. But if someone gets on base, I think they will pull him.

RedsBrick
09-23-2013, 10:17 PM
Sorry, thought I posted this on last night's game thread but was probably too late for many to see it since well after the game ended.

We talked for maybe 15 or 20 min. He was frustrated with what he believed to be Dusty's blind spot for playing veterans over youth even when a cooler performance/potential analysis might dictate otherwise. I agreed with him citing Hanny's starts at 3rd and the stubborn continuation of trotting Duke out in bad situations as possible examples of that phenomenon.

Interesting. I keep hearing Baker is a players manager. First of all, I'm not exactly sure what that means and secondly it doesn't seem to be the case for all players. I've always thought the manager should manage the team and what's best for the team...and not the individual player. It's the kind of thing that can come back to bite.

kaldaniels
09-23-2013, 10:18 PM
I must say, a tie game feels like a 1 run lead with Billy on the bench.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 10:18 PM
Some good D from Washington bottom of the 3rd and still 2-1 Nats now in the 4th.

NebraskaRed
09-23-2013, 10:18 PM
Cueto has pitched well and isn't laboring. What's the problem exactly?

He just came off the disabled list after not pitching for months. And after going on the DL about 5,253 times this season.

WebScorpion
09-23-2013, 10:19 PM
I want to know if Cueto can handle the load in the playoffs. Send him back out.

I understand the opposing view.I'm on this side too...I want to know how effective Johnny is at 100 pitches. :thumbup:

Stray
09-23-2013, 10:20 PM
He just came off the disabled list after not pitching for months. And after going on the DL about 5,253 times this season.

Yeah but we may end up needing him in the playoffs. If he's right we want him. 100ish pitch count is ok.

Roy Tucker
09-23-2013, 10:20 PM
I want to know if Cueto can handle the load in the playoffs. Send him back out.

I understand the opposing view.

Yeah, it's certainly not a slam dunk decision. If it were mid-August, i'd be a little more willing to let him go.

But like you said, I understand the stretching out thing. I just get anxious. They need to get this W.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 10:21 PM
Bucs still 1-0 after 4 at Wrigley. All thre Central games tight though now Nats threatening again with runners at corners but 2 outs for Adam LaRoche, who's not having a good year.

NebraskaRed
09-23-2013, 10:22 PM
Harang-atang is out of the game-arang.

PuffyPig
09-23-2013, 10:22 PM
There's probably a third choice we are all ignoring.

Baker sent Cueto out there because he felt he gave us the best chance to win.

VR
09-23-2013, 10:22 PM
I must say, a tie game feels like a 1 run lead with Billy on the bench.

That is nothing short of fantastic.

Stray
09-23-2013, 10:22 PM
99 pitches, 7 innings and 1 er.

Reds Fanatic
09-23-2013, 10:23 PM
Good start by Cueto: 7IP, 3H, 2R, 1ER, 3BB, 5K

George Foster
09-23-2013, 10:23 PM
Yeah, it's certainly not a slam dunk decision. If it were mid-August, i'd be a little more willing to let him go.

But like you said, I understand the stretching out thing. I just get anxious. They need to get this W.

Dusty needs to wear one of those rubber braclets that says, "WWBBD"

"What would Bruce Bochy Do?":thumbup:

kaldaniels
09-23-2013, 10:23 PM
Well that cliches it for me. I have Cueto in the playoff rotation, with backup measures in place.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 10:23 PM
Really nice 7th for Cueto. I was wrong.

dubc47834
09-23-2013, 10:24 PM
Interesting. I keep hearing Baker is a players manager. First of all, I'm not exactly sure what that means and secondly it doesn't seem to be the case for all players. I've always thought the manager should manage the team and what's best for the team...and not the individual player. It's the kind of thing that can come back to bite.

I don't care if you're a players manager or a total jerk, you're not going to please everyone. Always gonna have that one guy that's pissed off at the world. Not that Mez is that guy, but if je expects to have a job handed to him he has another thing coming. I started the season down on Mez, he has showed me some things this year, but hasn't taken the job from Hanny. That's what he needs to do!

WebScorpion
09-23-2013, 10:25 PM
Dusty needs to wear one of those rubber braclets that says, "WWBBD"

"What would Bruce Bochy Do?":thumbup:Unfortunately, if he had one it would say "WWHAD". ;)

NebraskaRed
09-23-2013, 10:25 PM
Yep, I was worried for nothing. Cueto looked great-o.

kaldaniels
09-23-2013, 10:25 PM
Really nice 7th for Cueto. I was wrong.

To be fair, he walked a guy, and the 3rd out was a well hit ball.

But he looked composed and didn't run out of gas. That's what I liked.

Billy Hamilton's Legs
09-23-2013, 10:25 PM
Well that cliches it for me. I have Cueto in the playoff rotation, with backup measures in place.

Plus, I get the feeling he was holding back a bit just to be safe. In the playoffs, I imagine that won't be the case. Assuming the Reds use him, thats a huge upgrade from Leake when facing a good hitting team like the Cards, Dodgers, and Braves.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 10:25 PM
And, unsurprisingly, LaRoche grounded out ending the threat. Still 2-1 Nats now bottom 4. Whoever the poster was who gets "nervous and frustrated" about letting a team stay close, can get nervous about this one since the close team is the Cards.

RedsBrick
09-23-2013, 10:26 PM
Do people who kiss their dogs on the snout realize where those snouts have been?

George Foster
09-23-2013, 10:26 PM
Unfortunately, if he had one it would say "WWHAD". ;)

ok....what does "HA" stand for???? could not figure it out..

Stray
09-23-2013, 10:27 PM
Latos, Bailey, Bronson and Cueto with Leake available if anyone gets in trouble early?

VR
09-23-2013, 10:28 PM
99 pitches, 7 innings and 1 er.

Welsh was saying they wanted to stretch him to 100 pitches, but more importantly, 7 innings.

Mission. Accomplished.

BluegrassRedleg
09-23-2013, 10:28 PM
Latos, Bailey, Bronson and Cueto with Leake available if anyone gets in trouble early?

Agree. :thumbup:

1940757690
09-23-2013, 10:28 PM
Do people who kiss their dogs on the snout realize where those snouts have been?

"They" have different hygiene standards than you and me.

kaldaniels
09-23-2013, 10:28 PM
Latos, Bailey, Bronson and Cueto with Leake available if anyone gets in trouble early?

Sure. And I might swap Bronson and Cueto.

dubc47834
09-23-2013, 10:28 PM
Do people who kiss their dogs on the snout realize where those snouts have been?

That could go all kinds of places...I'll leave that alone...:D

NebraskaRed
09-23-2013, 10:28 PM
Latos, Bailey, Bronson and Cueto with Leake available if anyone gets in trouble early?

Maybe.

I'd feel more comfortable with Latos, Bailey. Reynolds, Mesoraco's Uncle, and Miller (if needed).

George Foster
09-23-2013, 10:28 PM
Latos, Bailey, Bronson and Cueto with Leake available if anyone gets in trouble early?

Leake the step child again....

kaldaniels
09-23-2013, 10:29 PM
Welsh was saying they wanted to stretch him to 100 pitches, but more importantly, 7 innings.

Mission. Accomplished.

Well then, he gets 1 pitch in the 8th.

kaldaniels
09-23-2013, 10:30 PM
Leake the step child again....

It sucks for him, but who do you remove for him? I might listen on Arroyo.

Roy Tucker
09-23-2013, 10:31 PM
That Germen kid has live stuff.

OldXOhio
09-23-2013, 10:31 PM
BP AB = liability

mbgrayson
09-23-2013, 10:32 PM
Four walks today for Joey!

Roy Tucker
09-23-2013, 10:32 PM
Votto walks on ball 5.

Gizmo
09-23-2013, 10:32 PM
Cards just tied it, still batting.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 10:32 PM
It sucks for him, but who do you remove for him? I might listen on Arroyo.

I honestly don't set the rotation until I see who we play and how my pitchers have pitched against them.

What does Leake have to do? Pretty solid this year. Just being devils advocate.

dubc47834
09-23-2013, 10:32 PM
1st career 4 walk game...kinda surprising!

1940757690
09-23-2013, 10:32 PM
Cards equalize with runners still at the corners. One out bottom 4 but pitcher up. 2-2

Kc61
09-23-2013, 10:32 PM
Cards rallying 2-2 with men on base.

mbgrayson
09-23-2013, 10:33 PM
Does anyone (besides Dusty) think the Reds are better with Ludwick in the game than Billy Hamilton?

RedLegsToday
09-23-2013, 10:33 PM
1 shy of the team record now. Methinks that record is going down.

RedsBrick
09-23-2013, 10:33 PM
I don't care if you're a players manager or a total jerk, you're not going to please everyone. Always gonna have that one guy that's pissed off at the world. Not that Mez is that guy, but if je expects to have a job handed to him he has another thing coming. I started the season down on Mez, he has showed me some things this year, but hasn't taken the job from Hanny. That's what he needs to do!

I agree with that. Mez just happens to be the topic of this conversation and I'm not really defending him. I will say, I think some players do get jobs handed to them....especially veterans

I've always been curious what it means to be a 'player's manager'....maybe it should be 'veteran player's manager'.

Falls City Beer
09-23-2013, 10:33 PM
I'd walk Votto too with Ludwick behind him. I understand Dusty wants to boost him, but we gotta postseason to make here.

LexRedsFan
09-23-2013, 10:33 PM
Thom... What on earth was that?!

George Foster
09-23-2013, 10:34 PM
Four walks today for Joey!

and 4 outs for Luddy. With 107 left on base.

dubc47834
09-23-2013, 10:34 PM
I honestly don't set the rotation until I see who we play and how my pitchers have pitched against them.

What does Leake have to do? Pretty solid this year. Just being devils advocate.

The whole staff has been very solid all year. Hard to leave anyone out!

RedLegsToday
09-23-2013, 10:34 PM
Does anyone (besides Dusty) think the Reds are better with Ludwick in the game than Billy Hamilton?


N
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RedTeamGo!
09-23-2013, 10:35 PM
Honest question: is Ludwick the worst cleanup hitter in baseball this year?

George Foster
09-23-2013, 10:35 PM
I'd walk Votto too with Ludwick behind him. I understand Dusty wants to boost him, but we gotta postseason to make here.

It's about Luddy's self esteem...Dusty does not want to hurt feelings. I know you can't change the line up in the middle of the game but you sure as hell can tomorrow....we will see...

Tom Servo
09-23-2013, 10:36 PM
Good contact by both Ludwick and Bruce, but just flyouts.

Ironman92
09-23-2013, 10:36 PM
Honest question: is Ludwick the worst cleanup hitter in baseball?

Yeah.....and him keeping BHam off the field makes it worse.

Falls City Beer
09-23-2013, 10:36 PM
Honest question: is Ludwick the worst cleanup hitter in baseball?

No. But shoulder injuries take forever to heal.

Tom Servo
09-23-2013, 10:36 PM
Honest question: is Ludwick the worst cleanup hitter in baseball this year?
No.

Ironman92
09-23-2013, 10:36 PM
Good contact by both Ludwick and Bruce, but just flyouts.

Ludwick with a 260 foot fly out

dubc47834
09-23-2013, 10:37 PM
Honest question: is Ludwick the worst cleanup hitter in baseball this year?

Here we go again!

Roy Tucker
09-23-2013, 10:37 PM
I'd walk Votto too with Ludwick behind him. I understand Dusty wants to boost him, but we gotta postseason to make here.

Yeah, it's getting a little late in the season to try to get him going.

On the other hand, I don't want scouts/teams to get too good of a look at Hamilton before the playoffs.

1940757690
09-23-2013, 10:38 PM
Wow. roarke escapes striking out Carpenter for the 3rd out stranding runners on 2nd and 3rd. 2-2. Top 5.

Ironman92
09-23-2013, 10:38 PM
I like how Cueto looks but I do wish we could've seen him versus the Cards or Pirates.

His soft stuff away on lefties should be a good work against anyone not greatly patient at the plate.

Ohayou
09-23-2013, 10:38 PM
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/384417_359538500813686_12941688_n.jpg

Ironman92
09-23-2013, 10:39 PM
Here we go again!

Nearly my favorite Whitesnake song.

RedTeamGo!
09-23-2013, 10:39 PM
No. But shoulder injuries take forever to heal.

I agree a healthy Ludwick is not the worst, I mean at this exact moment is he the worst? I know Bruce hasn't done anything tonight, but I just cannot comprehend batting Bruce 5th behind Ludwick. It's just dumb.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 10:39 PM
Yeah, it's getting a little late in the season to try to get him going.

On the other hand, I don't want scouts/teams to get too good of a look at Hamilton before the playoffs.

If we don't win 5-6 it's just a one game playoff...let them look all they want.

Ironman92
09-23-2013, 10:40 PM
This snooze fest will end in thrilling fashion for sure.

George Foster
09-23-2013, 10:40 PM
Nearly my favorite Whitesnake song.

Best hood onament for a white Jaguar...ever!:thumbup::thumbup::beerme:

Ironman92
09-23-2013, 10:41 PM
/in before he should've dived