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90SeasonDreamin
09-28-2013, 05:46 PM
My brother posted this on his blog after today's loss.


Reds Have the Record, but don’t Have the Heart

It’s been over a year since I have blogged anything about the Reds, thanks to the shocks of an abysmal 2011 season and the disappointment of the 2012 NLDS against the San Francisco Giants. Now I find my beloved Reds again at the end of another season with the team holding the second National League Wild Card spot behind the team holding the first, the Pittsburgh Pirates. I feel like I am having déjà vu from 2012.
When the Reds appeared to have the Giants on the ropes in 2012, after the game 3 loss to San Francisco, I knew the team was done. I told fellow fans about my prediction that the series was over and the Reds would lose the series 3 games to 2. Like a witness to a car accident I was horrified to watch the event unfold. Whatever team that played at GABP last October was not the same team that played in San Francisco. These Reds played like they had the whole series wrapped up after winning just two straight. It was even worse watching post-game interviews after the game 5 defeat and seeing players like Joey Votto basically state that the team that wanted it more won (and eventually, won the World Series that season), was beyond frustrating.

I am seeing ghosts of that same team.

Fast forward to late September 2013 and we see the Reds in third place behind the Pirates. The Reds serendipitously, are in their final series of the year against this same Pirates club. Any dreams of an NL Central repeat championship went out with series losses to the Maligned Brewers and hapless Mets. The Reds must face the fact they will have to play a one-game Wild Card playoff game against the surprise Pirates. Regardless of the one-game playoff being the equivalent of the NCAA Final Four right-to-play-in-the-tounament game, this Reds team remembers nothing. They don’t remember how stark-raving, maddeningly hungry they were in 2010 to win the division and make it to the playoffs after a 15 year drought. They don’t remember to grind to the NL Central crown in 2012, only to let hubris and overconfidence beat them. News flash, Redlegs! The Pirates ARE the Reds of 2010! They are hungry to madness to bring playoff baseball back to Pittsburgh. Do you know how long it has been since the Pirates have smelled October baseball, Reds? Lee Greenwood was singing “God Bless the USA” and then Reds owner, Marge Schott was erroneously stating that Desert Storm participants were “…over there in South-East Asia.” That’s how long it has been. An entire cohort of Pirates fans have been born, grown and graduated college never knowing what it is to hear that the Pirates were going to the playoffs. I know, I have coworkers that fit this description.
What does this mean? It means Reds, you need to put these ‘Bucs down and down now. Remember your lesson from 2012. When the opponent is on his back, you keep him there and don’t let up until you hear the 3 count and the bell. If you get reversed, you fight like the nine-hells are on your back and put the opponent away, because they are fighting for themselves to stay in the playoffs. Most of all; when it does come to the Wild Card game, remember the most important lesson that you have over the Pirates. Act like you’ve been there before! Don’t blame the fans for your lack of heart or drive. We can’t get out on the field and play the game for you, otherwise we’d be paid your salary! I’m talking to you, Ryan Ludwig. I understand your frustration, but take it to your teammates, in the privacy of the club house to fire them up. If I were your boss, Walt Jocketty, I would hand you your release papers for comments like that. There are other Left Fielders that can do what you that can be signed or promoted to fill that void. Fans broke attendance records at GABP to support this club. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
I have railed enough about this team. I’d like to see the now 40 of you prove me wrong. I’ve been a Reds fan all my life; even when the seasons were over in July. I’m going to let the faux pas slide, Mr. Ludwig, if you make me this deal along with the other 24 players that will travel to Pittsburgh on Monday: I promise to listen and follow every out while this team is in the playoffs, as long as you represent this city of Cincinnati for what it is, a hard-working town that doesn’t stand for bull****. We can smell lack of effort a mile away. You want to know what this town likes, Mr. Ludwig? It’s a guy with his fists clenched, sliding into a base head-first with grit in his teeth that plays with EVERY fiber of his being. You give us that, and we’ll sit through hell on gasoline soaked seats to watch you play ball.

dougdirt
09-29-2013, 10:55 AM
Yeah, he is right. These guys just aren't trying hard enough.

/sarcasm.

WestSideBomber
09-29-2013, 11:07 AM
I stopped reading at "Ludwig". Seriously?

dougdirt
09-29-2013, 03:31 PM
I stopped reading at "Ludwig". Seriously?

Didn't you hear? The Reds acquired the rights to Beethoven's DNA for when cloning is legal.

Raisor
09-29-2013, 03:57 PM
This guy isn't invited to my World Series victory party.

MikeThierry
09-29-2013, 05:38 PM
Didn't you hear? The Reds acquired the rights to Beethoven's DNA for when cloning is legal.

haha that gave me the laugh of the day right there.

Brutus
09-29-2013, 05:47 PM
"There's no such thing as bad press as long as they spell your name right."

Falcon7
09-29-2013, 05:49 PM
Yeah, he is right. These guys just aren't trying hard enough.

/sarcasm.

So you have no problem with guys that don't even bother to slide or attempt to break up dp's or run all out on ground balls? We could use a couple Pete Rose/Ryan Freel type players on this team!

dougdirt
09-29-2013, 06:19 PM
So you have no problem with guys that don't even bother to slide or attempt to break up dp's or run all out on ground balls? We could use a couple Pete Rose/Ryan Freel type players on this team!

I could not care less about how hard someone runs out on a stinking ground ball unless they are a truly fast player where it actually could make a difference. On this team, that means Billy Hamilton and only Billy Hamilton.

I would like to see the entire possibility of breaking up a double play banned. Slide to the bag. If you don't, you are kicked out of the game. Quit placing players in the way of harm for no real reason. With that said, I don't recall any time where someone missed such a chance to break up a double play.

Not bothering to slide bothers me. But I also don't believe that it wasn't a situation where they just didn't bother to slide, but that they or someone else screwed up in reading the play.

Brutus
09-29-2013, 06:42 PM
I could not care less about how hard someone runs out on a stinking ground ball unless they are a truly fast player where it actually could make a difference. On this team, that means Billy Hamilton and only Billy Hamilton.

I would like to see the entire possibility of breaking up a double play banned. Slide to the bag. If you don't, you are kicked out of the game. Quit placing players in the way of harm for no real reason. With that said, I don't recall any time where someone missed such a chance to break up a double play.

Not bothering to slide bothers me. But I also don't believe that it wasn't a situation where they just didn't bother to slide, but that they or someone else screwed up in reading the play.

I wouldn't be too dismissive of that.

Pete Rose didn't have very good speed, obviously. However, as a percentage of non-hits by fielders, he reached on an error 2.8% of the time in his career. The league average during the 70s was 1.6%. That means he was reaching base close to double that of the league average. Furthermore, for the productive two thirds of his career he was an everyday player, his BABIP was around .330, which likely means he was beating out some infield hits.

Those extra errors and infield hits can add up over the course of a season. The mere fact you're running every play out can sometimes cause fielders to rush a throw when they otherwise wouldn't. Rose did that, which is a lot of the reason he reached on those extra errors.

Falcon7
09-29-2013, 08:43 PM
I could not care less about how hard someone runs out on a stinking ground ball unless they are a truly fast player where it actually could make a difference. On this team, that means Billy Hamilton and only Billy Hamilton.

I would like to see the entire possibility of breaking up a double play banned. Slide to the bag. If you don't, you are kicked out of the game. Quit placing players in the way of harm for no real reason. With that said, I don't recall any time where someone missed such a chance to break up a double play.

Not bothering to slide bothers me. But I also don't believe that it wasn't a situation where they just didn't bother to slide, but that they or someone else screwed up in reading the play.

So a slow or average speed guy could never beat out a ground ball? That is just flat Stupid! :thumbdown:
I guess they should just walk back to the dougout after hitting an infield grounder...

Always have an excuse for everything, don't you.

PERHitKing
09-30-2013, 07:00 AM
"These past three games, to be honest with you, I don't even care about them," shortstop Zack Cozart said.

This really sounds like a team with fire in it's belly to be the best, does it not? There is a hit of truth in the post none of us wants to recognize or believe.

remdog
09-30-2013, 08:34 AM
I believe the 'Open Letter is correct and well-expressed even with the mis-spelling. (Something I, and most likely, everyone here, has done at one time or another). It's classic internet behavior of those that don't have a reasonable argument to someone else's opinion to attack the OP's spelling errors.

I'm glad Mike Thierrry got a laugh out of this because I got a laugh out of Mike. You might remember him, he's the guy that made a big deal out of leaving Redszone. Apparently, he can't keep his word.

Rem

tomnuetten
09-30-2013, 08:52 AM
ludwick was not happy with the crowd because it was so quiet! you can break attendance records all you want, that doesn´t mean that the place is loud!

I can´t be there but from what I see in TV and what I read online from fans, it is pretty quiet and very negative!

I was angry last year aswell and I was disappointed multiple times this season aswell, but you won´t find an mlb team without bad streaks, without stupid errors and without bad games against bad teams...

the biggest problem is that lots of fans had to high expectations. our pitching staff was great altough injury issues, our offense was a little bit worse than we can expect from them...

frazier, hanigan/mes, cozart, lf (after ludwick was hurt most of the season and isn´t up to speed yet), bench, and even brandon phillips are avg or below avg on their positions

=> choo votto and bruce are above avg.

our offence is just not that good...

Larkin Fan
09-30-2013, 02:09 PM
Didn't you hear? The Reds acquired the rights to Beethoven's DNA for when cloning is legal.

I hear they're planning to switch him from his natural position of pianist to ballpark organist.

Bob Sheed
09-30-2013, 02:52 PM
I could not care less about how hard someone runs out on a stinking ground ball unless they are a truly fast player where it actually could make a difference. On this team, that means Billy Hamilton and only Billy Hamilton.




Why bother to run at all then?

By your rationale, if I player hits a ground ball and sees the fielder glove it, he should just stop immediately and head back to the dugout.

Yeah that sounds like a really positive change to the game if implemented. :thumbdown:

1940757690
09-30-2013, 03:26 PM
I won't attack anyone upthread or even strongly disagree as I will usually on other topics.

Here, I'll just offer a simple point.

I'm quite certain that, in life as much in baseball, effort matters. It's a critically important and often variably present thing. Just like chemistry. On a baseball team, it's as important at the player level as it is for the team in aggregate.

dougdirt
09-30-2013, 04:33 PM
I wouldn't be too dismissive of that.

Pete Rose didn't have very good speed, obviously. However, as a percentage of non-hits by fielders, he reached on an error 2.8% of the time in his career. The league average during the 70s was 1.6%. That means he was reaching base close to double that of the league average. Furthermore, for the productive two thirds of his career he was an everyday player, his BABIP was around .330, which likely means he was beating out some infield hits.

Those extra errors and infield hits can add up over the course of a season. The mere fact you're running every play out can sometimes cause fielders to rush a throw when they otherwise wouldn't. Rose did that, which is a lot of the reason he reached on those extra errors.

I am not going to worry over 4-6 times he reached base on errors a season. Billy Hamilton reached on an error 6 times in Louisville this year and one of those was on a dropped pop up to shortstop. Errors aren't the result of someone running fast to first base.

As for his BABIP, it was probably because he was a switch hitter who used the entire field, not because he ran super duper hard to first base. I am sure he had some infield hits, but it wasn't carrying his BABIP.

dougdirt
09-30-2013, 04:38 PM
So a slow or average speed guy could never beat out a ground ball? That is just flat Stupid! :thumbdown:
I guess they should just walk back to the dougout after hitting an infield grounder...

Always have an excuse for everything, don't you.

Never?

I didn't say that. But even the fastest guys in baseball hit .150 on balls to infielders. Devin Mesoraco runs harder than anyone on the team. But he isn't fast. He hit .094 on balls on the infield. He reached on a throwing error once. Brandon Phillips hardly ever runs hard to first base. He hit .050 on balls to the infield, but he reached on errors 6 times.

Running hard isn't the reason guys are making errors with the exception of guys with plus speed.

Running hard may result in an extra 1-3 hits per season. I don't think 1-3 singles a year is worth getting bent out of shape over.

dougdirt
09-30-2013, 04:39 PM
Why bother to run at all then?

By your rationale, if I player hits a ground ball and sees the fielder glove it, he should just stop immediately and head back to the dugout.

Yeah that sounds like a really positive change to the game if implemented. :thumbdown:

You bother to run because if there is an error, you still need to get to the bag.

Brutus
09-30-2013, 08:40 PM
I am not going to worry over 4-6 times he reached base on errors a season. Billy Hamilton reached on an error 6 times in Louisville this year and one of those was on a dropped pop up to shortstop. Errors aren't the result of someone running fast to first base.

As for his BABIP, it was probably because he was a switch hitter who used the entire field, not because he ran super duper hard to first base. I am sure he had some infield hits, but it wasn't carrying his BABIP.

Any infielder will tell you that on a close play, a fast runner or someone who is running hard down the line will make you try to make a play on the ball and sometimes creates a throwing error by rushing the throw.

I absolutely beg to differ that errors aren't the result of someone running hard to first base. They aren't always, but sometimes they are.

dougdirt
09-30-2013, 10:46 PM
Any infielder will tell you that on a close play, a fast runner or someone who is running hard down the line will make you try to make a play on the ball and sometimes creates a throwing error by rushing the throw.

I absolutely beg to differ that errors aren't the result of someone running hard to first base. They aren't always, but sometimes they are.

We are talking about a very, very small percentage of plays. It matters, but barely. It isn't something that I am going to really be worried about.

Again, no one on this team runs harder to first than Mesoraco. He reached base on one error this year by an infielder. Brandon Phillips hardly ever runs to first base. He reached on an error to an infielder six times. I just don't buy that in 90% of the cases it matters and in the 10% that it does, it is because there is a plus runner that is running and it actually warrants rushing the play.

Falcon7
10-01-2013, 12:06 AM
So hustling is overrated, really not necessary, might get you on base a few extra times and maybe a couple extra wins a season. Big fricken deal... right?
Your wrong Doug, and deep down you know it. But are you man enough to admit it?

Reds&BuckeyeGuy
10-01-2013, 08:23 AM
I wonder if anyone in the reds orginization will even read this? Very accurate and true assessment. Kinda sad if you think abou it... Last year with the, well, you know what happened and they are still not hungry? What else besides not getting to playoffs in ages will make you play with more heart and energy? Is this an indication of senior management (walt, owner, etc) or is this a player character issue?