SEC football discussion thread #3

[Assembly Hall]

UK is on the way back up,too.

Not to sidetrack the discussion, but unlike a school in the B1G that you and I root for, I have to commend UK fans for not utilizing the tired We're a basketball school excuse to justify poor/mediocre football.

I can agree with that.

[WVRed]

See: Coker, Larry

Bill Stewart from West Virginia comes to mind as well.

[Boston Red]

At least Coker and Stewart had not already proven themselves inept in head coaching stints at another school.

[dabvu2498]

At least Coker and Stewart had not already proven themselves inept in head coaching stints at another school.

Actually, Stewart had been a sterling 8-25 in a 3 year stint at VMI in the mid -90s.

[Chip R]

Bielema is a tool and it looks like there's quite a backlash from his colleagues.

The one thing I remember about Bielema was when he was playing at Iowa they were playing Iowa State and met former Iowa State's coach Jim Walden after an Iowa win and called him a “prick” and said, “I’ve enjoyed kicking your ass the past five years.” Two days later Bielema was forced to apologize and was reprimanded by Iowa’s Board of Control.

[Boston Red]

Ah, did not know. That is pretty lousy. And he was pretty lousy at WV. Granted, he was a football genius compared to Holgerson.

[WMR]

I see Kentucky has a top 25 RB recruit out of Berea for 2015. It looks to be a toss up between Ohio State and Michigan. With other big boys like Auburn and USC in the mix. That's the kind of recruit Kentucky must keep home in the future.

LMAO, UK is #1 on his list right now. :lol:

[WMR]

Proposed rule changes: http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/football-rules-committee-slightly-adjusts-targeting-rule-defensive

Don't like the substitution rule... But the targeting rule was total crap. It needs heavy modification. Not sure if they're going to get it right though.

Nickname that the Saban rule.

[WMR]

KY had a good class relative to their program and really relative to the country. 247's composite ranked their 2014 class @ #22 in the nation. That said, the had the 10th highest class in the SEC.

It's tough to see them challenging for an SEC championship if that is their zenith concerning recruiting. That's kind of Mississippi State territory recruiting-wise.

You won't see me predicting an SEC championship either.

Do I believe that they'll get to the point where lightning could strike one year and they could make a run? Yes.

[WMR]

LMAO dab!!!!!!!! Lots of big words being thrown around lately by some members. Some of them I hadn't heard in 25 years.

I love reading WMR's posts, they are so objective and neutral. No one can tell he is a UK fan.

But anyways....I wish the B1G would have gone after Vandy to enter the conference.

Vandy ain't givin' up that paycheck. :D

[WMR]

Take heart Ray, things cant get much worse for us. We have hit the bottom of the abyss. No way to go but up. Then again we could be UK football fans!!!!!!:laugh:

You just lost to Penn State at home in hoops.

Your argument is invalid. :D

[Assembly Hall]

You just lost to Penn State at home in hoops.

Your argument is invalid. :D

Actually WMR, UK was pretty dang good at football when I was growing up in '70's. Why do you think I am a Vol fan as well? Now they are letting me down.

[WMR]

Actually WMR, UK was pretty dang good at football when I was growing up in '70's. Why do you think I am a Vol fan as well? Now they are letting me down.

Curci had some good teams but apparently couldn't avoid breaking rules...

Still happy to be the only team from the state of Kentucky with a national championship recognized by the NCAA in football division I-A. :D

[Boston Red]

Actually WMR, UK was pretty dang good at football when I was growing up in '70's.

They had the best team money could buy.

[WMR]

They had the best team money could buy.

NINJA'D!!!

:lol::laugh::laugh::lol:

[Boston Red]

Still happy to be the only team from the state of Kentucky with a national championship recognized by the NCAA in football. :D

You're an EKU fan?

[WMR]

You're an EKU fan?

Division I-A?

I feel sad for the ACC, they're about to have a crown royal invasion. :laugh:

[Assembly Hall]

Curci had some good teams but apparently couldn't avoid breaking rules...

Still happy to be the only team from the state of Kentucky with a national championship recognized by the NCAA in football division I-A. :D


That happens in the SEC!!!!!!!!!!

BTW was it 1950?

[WMR]

That happens in the SEC!!!!!!!!!!

BTW was it 1950?


I pretty much can't stand the guy personally, but if there's one thing that Mitch Barnhardt has done, it's make sure that Men's football and basketball are operating within NCAA guidelines.

Yep. 1948-49-50 were good years to be a UK fan. I've discussed it at length with my grandfather, who had seats directly behind Rupp's bench. He's 94 and has lived through every UK championship, pretty cool.

[Boston Red]

I feel sad for the ACC, they're about to have a crown royal invasion. :laugh:

I wanted to respond to this, but I don't know what it means. I do have some Crown in the liquor cabinet, though. I think it's pretty tasty.

[Assembly Hall]

I pretty much can't stand the guy personally, but if there's one thing that Mitch Barnhardt has done, it's make sure that Men's football and basketball are operating within NCAA guidelines.

Yep. 1948-49-50 were good years to be a UK fan. I've discussed it at length with my grandfather, who had seats directly behind Rupp's bench. He's 94 and has lived through every UK championship, pretty cool.

Sounds awesome.

[WMR]

I wanted to respond to this, but I don't know what it means. I do have some Crown in the liquor cabinet, though. I think it's pretty tasty.

http://thenastyboys.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/louserville.jpg?w=604&h=453

Cool Brohm jersey, BR. ;)

[Assembly Hall]

BTW.....WMR, I saw one of your responses before you edited it. Let's hear those UK vs. IU football numbers!!!!!!!!! :beerme:

[WMR]

BTW.....WMR, I saw one of your responses before you edited it. Let's hear those UK vs. IU football numbers!!!!!!!!! :beerme:

Hmmmmmmm???? :D I knew it was close, lmao. :laugh:

We've both been bad. BTW: My first UK football game I attended and remember was versus IU. :D

I went to a few in the Curry era but have managed to completely block them from memory. :D

[Boston Red]

Where'd you get the picture of my crew?!? I don't think I see any linebeards, though, so it must be fake.

[WMR]

Here's the write-up of that game: Antwaan Randle El was a BEAST.

http://www.iuhoosiers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/091199aaa.html

[WMR]

USA Today Box Score:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/scores101/101335/101335450.htm

[Boston Red]

My first UK football game I attended and remember was versus IU. :D


The first UK game I went to in Commonwealth was a UK/IU game. UK stopped Anthony Thompson on fourth and goal at the 1 to win the game.

I was a big fan of Jerry Claiborne as a matter of fact. UK had two chances after that to reacquire me as at least a casual football fan and promptly hired Hal Mumme over Howard Schnellenberger (:lol:) and Stoops instead of Petrino (THANK YOU!).

[WMR]

The first UK game I went to in Commonwealth was a UK/IU game. UK stopped Anthony Thompson on fourth and goal at the 1 to win the game.

I was a big fan of Jerry Claiborne as a matter of fact. UK had two chances after that to reacquire me as at least a casual football fan and promptly hired Hal Mumme over Howard Schnellenberger (:lol:) and Stoops instead of Petrino (THANK YOU!).

Schnelly would've crawled to Lexington for the UK job. Sad.

I wouldn't trade you Stoops and his staff for Petrino today. No way in hell.

[Boston Red]

I wouldn't trade you Stoops and his staff for Petrino today. No way in hell.

It's good that everyone's happy. For now.

[WMR]

I can't wait for UL to finally get to experience what it's like to play a school with a pulse every single week in the conference portion of the schedule.

[WMR]

What's your prediction for UL's record next season?

[Boston Red]

I can't wait for UL to finally get to experience what it's like to play a school with a pulse every single week in the conference portion of the schedule.

You do realize that the ACC has, on average, been worse than the Big East in the years since 2005 (when Louisville joined), right? Not counting last year's AAC attack, of course.

Louisville should win 9 games next year. Anything less than 8 would be a real disappointment.

[WMR]

You do realize that the ACC has, on average, been worse than the Big East in the years since 2005 (when Louisville joined), right? Not counting last year's AAC attack, of course.

Louisville should win 9 games next year. Anything less than 8 would be a real disappointment.

Big East was much more top heavy, IMO. UL only had to truly get up for 2-3 games a year. And they still struggled to win the league.

Do you honestly believe there won't be more attrition in the ACC vs the BE?

[Boston Red]

The numbers just don't bear that out. If you're thinking that Louisville is going to struggle in the ACC because its more difficult than the Big East, you're going to be disappoionted. Virginia, NC State and Wakle, all teams that are on Louisville's schedule next year, were worse last year than basically anyone (other than Syracuse who, of course, is also on Louisville's schedule next year) ever was when the Cards were in the Big East. Miami is currently no better than the Cincinnatis, UConns and USFs for most of the Big East era. Ditto BC. It's really just FSU and Clemson that are a step up (and ND when they come around...and even they're not particularly stout right now).

They may struggle, but if they do it will only be because they're not as good as their non-Kragthorpe teams that were successful in the Big East.

[Boston Red]

Someone ran the math on Sagarin, and if Louisville had played their 2014 schedule in 2013, the SOS would have been something like #60 (compared to the #27 ranked schedule they played in their first Big East championship season in '06).

And based on your earlier posts today, I know your respect the hell out of Sagarin. :)

[Assembly Hall]

Hmmmmmmm???? :D I knew it was close, lmao. :laugh:

We've both been bad. BTW: My first UK football game I attended and remember was versus IU. :D

I went to a few in the Curry era but have managed to completely block them from memory. :D

LOL!!!!!!!!!!! I promise never to bring it up again! :D

[Revering4Blue]

Hmmmmmmm???? :D I knew it was close, lmao. :laugh:

We've both been bad. BTW: My first UK football game I attended and remember was versus IU. :D

I went to a few in the Curry era but have managed to completely block them from memory. :D

That 3-0 game in Couch's freshman year -- the last year for both Curry and Mallory coaching -- wasn't fit for public viewing.

OTOH, there have been many barn-burners in that series, with the only head-to-head meeting of Couch and Randle El in Lexington in '98 coming to mind.

Yeah, I miss the IU - UK football games. BRING THEM BACK!

[oregonred]

Louisville will be just fine in basketball in the ACC or any other conference

[jojo]

Why are we talking about ACC basketball in the SEC football thread?

First, no one plays basketball in the south.

Second, no one cares about the ACC.

[dabvu2498]

Hmmmmmmm???? :D I knew it was close, lmao. :laugh:

We've both been bad. BTW: My first UK football game I attended and remember was versus IU. :D

I went to a few in the Curry era but have managed to completely block them from memory. :D

My first UK football game was against Florida and their star WR Chris Collinsworth. Arghhh I'm old.

[Cedric]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10477939/georgia-bulldogs-dismiss-safety-josh-harvey-clemons-violating-team-rules

Georgia safety kicked off the team for breaking rules again.. Watch for him to star at Auburn next year and shore up their secondary.

[jojo]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10477939/georgia-bulldogs-dismiss-safety-josh-harvey-clemons-violating-team-rules

Georgia safety kicked off the team for breaking rules again.. Watch for him to star at Auburn next year and shore up their secondary.

Actually, Auburn's secondary is well stocked and good to go for the immediate future. I hear that Urban Meyer could use some help back there and given Meyer's history, Harvey looks like a great fit.

Also, for the record, Auburn has one of the toughest anti-drug policies in the SEC and really, the NCAA. Harvey wouldn't have made it this far at Auburn.

[dabvu2498]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10477939/georgia-bulldogs-dismiss-safety-josh-harvey-clemons-violating-team-rules

Georgia safety kicked off the team for breaking rules again.. Watch for him to star at Auburn next year and shore up their secondary.

Actually, that's how they get quarterbacks.

PS: Ole Miss is having a rough offseason from a law enforcement perspective too. And my Dores jumped into the mix with an assistant coach getting a DUI and hit and run charge. Add that to UT's arrest party and all is well in the SEC.

[jojo]

Actually, that's how they get quarterbacks.

PS: Ole Miss is having a rough offseason from a law enforcement perspective too. And my Dores jumped into the mix with an assistant coach getting a DUI and hit and run charge. Add that to UT's arrest party and all is well in the SEC.


Happy birthday, Nkemdiche (the older, less talented one).

[dabvu2498]

UK had a disorderly arrest too. Can't neglect them!!!

[jojo]

UK had a disorderly arrest too. Can't neglect them!!!

Yes but lets face it. Nobody does numbers like the Vols.

[jojo]

Just thought this thread needed dressing up a little.....

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/800/272/1272800.jpg

[Sea Ray]

Just thought this thread needed dressing up a little.....

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/800/272/1272800.jpg

Someone please, introduce this guy to a universal remote

http://www.logitech.com/universal-remotes

[RedTeamGo!]

Why is my high school chemistry teacher giving a talk at Auburn in front of a crystal football?

[jojo]

Phillip Marshall: Debate over new rule gets stranger

http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/021914aaa.html


Why would Saban and Bielema try to pull this off?

I believe I know the answer.

As long as it was Rice, Troy, Tulsa, Louisiana Tech, some directional schools and the like running hurryup, no-huddle offenses, nobody really cared. In fact most people viewed those offenses as exciting and good for college football. It helped teams compete against more talented teams, but they weren't threatening anybody on a national level.

But then a funny thing happened. Programs with the ability to recruit big-time players started running those offenses. Auburn or Texas A&M or Oregon or Oklahoma running an up-tempo offense with future NFL players is a far cry from Rice running it with none.

Auburn, running Gus Malzahn's scheme, has won one national championship and played for another. Oregon played for one. Texas A&M beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa last season. Bielema moved from Wisconsin to Arkansas and found dealing with great athletes playing at hyper speed wasn't any fun for his defense.

[Revering4Blue]

This proposed rule is asinine.

That is all.

[IslandRed]

I'll paraphrase points from a post I saw on another board:

* The injury argument has some common-sense logic behind it, but no data whatsoever. By itself, it's not compelling.

* It's disingenuous for coaches to bring it up because of self-interest.

* The compelling argument, if there is one, is a larger one. The balance between offense and defense is already out of whack, and widespread adoption of the super-fast offenses is only going to make it worse. Stats bear it out -- the game has evolved to a point where the average defense can't stop the average offense and can't get off the field. Well, except by allowing points. And it's a football truism that it takes more energy to play defense than offense, particularly on the lines... So, the thinking goes, the offense not only has all the advantages, now they're dictating substitutions too? In theory they always have, but in practice the power has rarely been used except in last-minute situations. Now it's being used and the impact is clearly felt. Thus, there's a "let the defense have a bone for once" argument being made. (Okay, twice. They already had to tweak the rules to allow the defense to substitute if the offense did. Until recently, the defense couldn't even respond to offensive substitutions without risking being caught in the middle of a change.)

As for me, I don't much care either way, the better team usually wins even if the score ends up 45-42 instead of 24-21. But I'm also a pragmatist, and coaches are -- ahem -- resourceful. Meaning, if a ten-second substitution window in normal time is what it takes to prevent a fake-injury epidemic, then it's probably better for the game if there is one.

[jojo]

I'll paraphrase points from a post I saw on another board:

* The injury argument has some common-sense logic behind it, but no data whatsoever. By itself, it's not compelling.

* It's disingenuous for coaches to bring it up because of self-interest.

* The compelling argument, if there is one, is a larger one. The balance between offense and defense is already out of whack, and widespread adoption of the super-fast offenses is only going to make it worse. Stats bear it out -- the game has evolved to a point where the average defense can't stop the average offense and can't get off the field. Well, except by allowing points. And it's a football truism that it takes more energy to play defense than offense, particularly on the lines... So, the thinking goes, the offense not only has all the advantages, now they're dictating substitutions too? In theory they always have, but in practice the power has rarely been used except in last-minute situations. Now it's being used and the impact is clearly felt. Thus, there's a "let the defense have a bone for once" argument being made. (Okay, twice. They already had to tweak the rules to allow the defense to substitute if the offense did. Until recently, the defense couldn't even respond to offensive substitutions without risking being caught in the middle of a change.)

As for me, I don't much care either way, the better team usually wins even if the score ends up 45-42 instead of 24-21. But I'm also a pragmatist, and coaches are -- ahem -- resourceful. Meaning, if a ten-second substitution window in normal time is what it takes to prevent a fake-injury epidemic, then it's probably better for the game if there is one.

I think that reasonable people can be on different sides of the asthetic issue but there really isn't data to support the notion that HUNH schemes increases injury (especially since there have been some studies where a Saban style has resulted in more injuries in a given year than a Malzahn style). In other words, intuition might suggest a much bigger impact than error bars (random variation) will allow.

That said, I think some of the most rivoting games were Auburn/Georgia, Auburn/Bama, Auburn/FSU. OSU/Mich and OSU/MSU were great too. OSU/Clemson-very entertaining. From an aesthetic standpoint, do we reject that in favor of BAMA/LSU playing a 9 to 6 and than a 20 to 0 type game? I've watched Auburn beat MSU 3 to 2 once. I'm telling you the defense was just as physical and hard hitting in the Auburn games mentioned above and the games were more appealing to me.

Again, just one guy's two cents.

[jojo]

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/20/bret-bielema-cites-players-death-to-support-defensive-sub-rule/

Bielema is an absolute tool. His rationale for the rule that happens to slow his extinction as a coach? A Cal player died during off the field training.

He's a clown.

[Assembly Hall]

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/20/bret-bielema-cites-players-death-to-support-defensive-sub-rule/

Bielema is an absolute tool. His rationale for the rule that happens to slow his extinction as a coach? A Cal player died during off the field training.

He's a clown.


I realized there wasn't something right with the guy when he left a cushy Wiscy job to go to the Hogs and the SEC.

[jojo]

I realized there wasn't something right with the guy when he left a cushy Wiscy job to go to the Hogs and the SEC.

The guy has largely been nonsensical and belligerent about it. I'd be a little surprised if he has a great many coaching buddies.

[Assembly Hall]

The guy has largely been nonsensical and belligerent about it. I'd be a little surprised if he has a great many coaching buddies.

Have faith...my guess is he wont be there much longer!

[jojo]

Have faith...my guess is he wont be there much longer!

Here's some intrigue for the conspiracy theorists.... Todd Berry,head coach for University of Louisiana Monroe, is one of only two FBS coaches that is a voting member of the Football Rules Committee. Alabama announced Wednesday that it had added Louisiana-Monroe to its 2015 football schedule.

[Assembly Hall]

Interesting to say the least.

[WMR]

If they actually ratify this asinine rule it's going to be a complete sham. Basically Saban is sick and tired of getting his ass kicked by no huddle offenses so he wants to change the rules of the game to protect his big hog mollies from getting wore out...

The injury explanation is a pathetic excuse. I saw a study somewhere that basically completely refuted what Saban was alleging.

This whole deal has actually made me lose a lot of respect for Saban. It seems like a move Bill Belichick would have pulled.

[Assembly Hall]

If they actually ratify this asinine rule it's going to be a complete sham. Basically Saban is sick and tired of getting his ass kicked by no huddle offenses so he wants to change the rules of the game to protect his big hog mollies from getting wore out...

The injury explanation is a pathetic excuse. I saw a study somewhere that basically completely refuted what Saban was alleging.

This whole deal has actually made me lose a lot of respect for Saban. It seems like a move Bill Belichick would have pulled.

LOL......I hear ya. Maybe Nick needs to quit worrying about the rules so much and spend some more time on putting a decent non-conference schedule together?

[oregonred]

This whole deal has actually made me lose a lot of respect for Saban. It seems like a move Bill Belichick would have pulled.

Well Saban is the most successful Belichick disciple.

And yes, Bielema is a complete arse and the biggest coaching tool in CFB. I have no idea what Arkansas was thinking, but will enjoy watching him continue to crash and burn at Ar-kansas

[Sea Ray]

Well Saban is the most successful Belichick disciple.

And yes, Bielema is a complete arse and the biggest coaching tool in CFB. I have no idea what Arkansas was thinking, but will enjoy watching him continue to crash and burn at Ar-kansas

I'd give Bo Pelini the nod here over Bielema

[oregonred]

Close, but I think Bret has him beat.

Gotta love Spurrier, he's now openly calling it the "Saban Rule" LOL

[Assembly Hall]

Close, but I think Bret has him beat.

Gotta love Spurrier, he's now openly calling it the "Saban Rule" LOL

I like "Sabanmetrics" better.

[dabvu2498]

For you degenerate gamblers out there, here are some early lines for Week One of the college season: http://www.jhowell.net/cf/cfpred.txt

One that I found interesting: Utah State (-2) @ Tennessee (TP=54 Odds=.533) :eek:

[jojo]

For you degenerate gamblers out there, here are some early lines for Week One of the college season: http://www.jhowell.net/cf/cfpred.txt

One that I found interesting: Utah State (-2) @ Tennessee (TP=54 Odds=.533) :eek:

Here's a bonus for the degenerates.... Sex week @ UT!!!!

http://www.salon.com/2014/02/21/gops_war_on_hookup_culture_tennessee_republicans_e nraged_by_college_sex_week/

[Assembly Hall]

For you degenerate gamblers out there, here are some early lines for Week One of the college season: http://www.jhowell.net/cf/cfpred.txt

One that I found interesting: Utah State (-2) @ Tennessee (TP=54 Odds=.533) :eek:


Who is Bama playing that week? Never mind I found it. UDBL. University of the Deaf and Blind-Lousiana. What's the spread?

[Sea Ray]

For you degenerate gamblers out there, here are some early lines for Week One of the college season: http://www.jhowell.net/cf/cfpred.txt

One that I found interesting: Utah State (-2) @ Tennessee (TP=54 Odds=.533) :eek:

Wow. They must think Utah State is going to be playing on New Years Day. I had no idea they were so talented...

[jojo]

Wow. They must think Utah State is going to be playing on New Years Day. I had no idea they were so talented...

That's probably not what "they" are thinking.

[Sea Ray]

That's probably not what "they" are thinking.

I wonder what point spread they have in mind for the Vols game on Sept 13th?

[jojo]

I wonder what point spread they have in mind for the Vols game on Sept 13th?

I think the vols are 60 pt dawgs

[dabvu2498]

I wonder what point spread they have in mind for the Vols game on Sept 13th?

That could be a large number. What was the Oregon line last year?

[Sea Ray]

I think the vols are 60 pt dawgs

That sounds about right. Why they put teams like that on their schedule I have no idea

[Sea Ray]

That could be a large number. What was the Oregon line last year?

Oregon coulda scored 100 if they wanted to

[jojo]

An interesting read on Bielema and his future fortunes at Arky:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20140225/bret-bielema-arkansas-razorbacks/?eref=sihp

Take home: Arky IS the Purdues, Northwesterns, Minnesotas and Indianas of the SEC that Bielema-led teams made a living out of dominating in the Big Ten conference.

He doesn't recruit well enough to keep up with his mouth in the SEC.

[WVRed]

An interesting read on Bielema and his future fortunes at Arky:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20140225/bret-bielema-arkansas-razorbacks/?eref=sihp

Take home: Arky IS the Purdues, Northwesterns, Minnesotas and Indianas of the SEC that Bielema-led teams made a living out of dominating in the Big Ten conference.

He doesn't recruit well enough to keep up with his mouth in the SEC.

I think Minnesota is the best comparison. Arkansas fans are very passionate but also semi unrealistic. Not really sure what Arkansas was thinking when they hired Bielema or why he even wanted to go there. Must have wanted out of the shadow of Barry Alvarez.

[dabvu2498]

I think Minnesota is the best comparison. Arkansas fans are very passionate but also semi unrealistic. Not really sure what Arkansas was thinking when they hired Bielema or why he even wanted to go there. Must have wanted out of the shadow of Barry Alvarez.

Half a million bucks a year is pretty fair incentive too.

[Boston Red]

I think Minnesota is the best comparison. Arkansas fans are very passionate but also semi unrealistic. Not really sure what Arkansas was thinking when they hired Bielema or why he even wanted to go there. Must have wanted out of the shadow of Barry Alvarez.

Petrino had as much success at Arkansas as Bielema ever did at Wisconsin. Houston Nutt had a pretty good run there too (better than I ever remember Minnesota being for any length of time). So winning is definitely possible at Arkansas.

[dabvu2498]

Houston Nutt had a pretty good run there too (better than I ever remember Minnesota being for any length of time).

Least we forget how that got ruined...

[Boston Red]

I honestly don't remember. Were they cheating?

[dabvu2498]

I honestly don't remember. Were they cheating?

Nope. His handling of the Springdale, Arkansas Mafia (Mitch Mustain and Gus Malzhan) got him run out of town.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/02/22/arkansas.nutt/index.html?mobile=no

[Chip R]

Petrino had as much success at Arkansas as Bielema ever did at Wisconsin. Houston Nutt had a pretty good run there too (better than I ever remember Minnesota being for any length of time). So winning is definitely possible at Arkansas.

Minnesota was a national champion back in the 40s and 50s and had some success when Lou Holtz was there in the late 80s. Other than that it hasn't been a good football school.

I could see why Bielema went to Arkansas. He probably figured a few years there of sustained success might make him a candidate for an NFL job. He probably realizes he can't win there on a sustained basis so if he goes to a major bowl or two in a row, he may be the hot prospect when a pro team is looking for a coach. He may even leave for an assistant's gig there.

[dabvu2498]

I also have a suspicion that BB's wife might not have been too keen on cold weather. :D

[dabvu2498]

Clearly, they're spending too much time focusing on academics at Vandy: http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=sec&id=79920&src=desktop

Seriously though, I know those guys take a lot of summer school, but I can't fathom graduating in 3 years. With a degree in pre-med. While playing football.

[jojo]

The Rules committee might pull the BS (Bielema/Saban) rule before it goes to a vote...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/02/27/10-second-rule-ncaa-football-rules-committee/5874739/

[dabvu2498]

Tactless. And cheap. Just as I was done letting it go, too.

http://collegespun.com/big-ten/penn-state-big-ten/photo-james-franklin-is-no-fan-of-subtlety-brings-giant-penn-state-truck-to-move-out-of-nashville

[IslandRed]

Eh, don't sweat it. I seriously doubt Franklin was responsible for making his own moving arrangements. That's not how it's done in the upper 1%. :cool:

[Kingspoint]

Rotoworld comments on Nick Saban's insistence that he cares about players getting hurt in up-tempo games...

"I don't care about getting blamed for this. That's part of it," Saban said. "But I do think that somebody needs to look at this very closely." Saban is referring to a proposed rule change that would force offenses to abstain from snapping for the first ten seconds of the play clock to allow the defense to substitute. "The fastball guys (up-tempo coaches) say there's no data out there, and I guess you have to use some logic," Saban said. "What's the logic? If you smoke one cigarette, do you have the same chances of getting cancer if you smoke 20?" Two things, Nick: 1.) Logically, it's safer to not play football at all, if we want to get technical about it (especially at Alabama, a school with a well-earned reputation for squeezing every ounce from its players before graduation). 2.) Whether you're right about slower-tempo being safer or not, it's best in arguments to admit your bias, as opposed to pretending that only the other side has one.

[dabvu2498]

The BS rule got tabled for at least one year today, btw.

Also, the terrible targeting rule got a sensible modification. Rules committee went 2-2.

[dabvu2498]

Also...

http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/4267/16/original/640.jpg

http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/4267/17/original/640.jpg

http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/4267/18/original/640.jpg

http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/4267/19/original/640.jpg

http://www.avclub.com/article/which-isimpsonsi-character-is-your-alma-mater-94186

[Sea Ray]

I don't see all the injuries related to up tempo games

[jojo]

I don't see all the injuries related to up tempo games

Are you kidding? Thousands of Bama fans have been irreparably damaged by HUNH offenses.

[dabvu2498]

WMR... Here's something I saw being passed around that related to our discussion of recruiting services from a while back...


Woody Wommack essentially admitted on Volquest today that kids who do not attend Rivals sponsored events this spring and summer will not be ranked as highly as those who do not.

That's the major reason I tend to lean towards 247's composite ratings.

[jojo]

WMR... Here's something I saw being passed around that related to our discussion of recruiting services from a while back...



That's the major reason I tend to lean towards 247's composite ratings.

This is also a major reason that outstanding coaches and human beings such as Gus Malzahn don't give a rip about recruiting service rankings.

[jojo]

Bielema, the new Lane Kiffin.

http://msn.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/bret-bielema-is-the-new-lane-kiffin.php

[jojo]

It's almost like one can set their watch to it.....

http://onlineathens.com/breaking-news/2014-03-17/uga-players-taylor-deloach-lemay-arrested-charged-theft-deception

[RedTeamGo!]

Also...

http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/4267/16/original/640.jpg

http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/4267/17/original/640.jpg

http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/4267/18/original/640.jpg

http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/4267/19/original/640.jpg

http://www.avclub.com/article/which-isimpsonsi-character-is-your-alma-mater-94186

Kansas St as the crazy cat lady is the funniest thing I have seen in a week.

Also, the SEC version just never gets old.

[dabvu2498]

The Nkemdiche brothers sound like nice fellows. Gotta love the Marshall Henderson cameo too: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1965144-robert-and-denzel-nkemdiche-reportedly-sued-for-2-million-for-assault?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=college-football

[jojo]

Looks like Bama is set to hire Tosh Lupoi.

It's pretty clear that the troops in Tuscaloosa are running scared and reacting hard to what's happening on the recruiting trail. Saban is either betting the NCAA wont have any bite at all in a few recruiting cycles or he doesn't plan to be around when the NCAA comes pounding on the door (as his career is essentially one where he's left through the back door as the NCAA has pulled into the driveway). Lupoi is a guy that is a beacon for NCAA investigations. Looks like Bama isn't even going to try and pretend anymore. The 15% already see the writing on the wall. The 85% are in for yet another rude awakening. They'll once again have to explain how Auburn is the dirtiest program in the world and that's why Bama will have to vacate a bunch of wins as it enters probation, a place that Bama football knows very well. If you think that logic makes zero sense, you're right.

Love it. Gus can beat the tar out of them before the NCAA sanctions make beating the tar out of them too easy and less fun.

[dabvu2498]

Ironically, the findings in the NCAA letter re: Lupoi read very much like the findings in the Cam Newton investigation.

[jojo]

Ironically, the findings in the NCAA letter re: Lupoi read very much like the findings in the Cam Newton investigation.

Actually, the letter to Washington doesn't read anything like the letter in the Cam Newton investigation.

[dabvu2498]

"The enforcement staff does not believe that further action is warranted..."

But yeah, anything Bama bad, anything Auburn good. :rolleyes:

[jojo]

"The enforcement staff does not believe that further action is warranted..."

But yeah, anything Bama bad, anything Auburn good. :rolleyes:

I get that you were called out on drawing a general and inaccurate parallel but strawmen don't really provide the cover one might hope.

BTW, it's demonstrable that Saban has retooled his staff in a way that will give his compliance officers headaches in response to once again getting his butt kicked in Mobile and Atlanta. It's also common knowledge that Bama's short window of non-probation is tenuous given boosters associate with autographs/suits and documented paper trails of payments to players by coaches. Rather than reeling things in, the newer hires signal an injection of steroids.

For the record, here is what the NCAA felt compelled to say concerning the end of their inquiry into Auburn football:


After conducting more than 80 interviews, the NCAA has concluded its investigation into Auburn University. The NCAA enforcement staff is committed to a fair and thorough investigative process. As such, any allegations of major rules violations must meet a burden of proof, which is a higher standard than rampant public speculation online and in the media. The allegations must be based on credible and persuasive information and includes a good-faith belief that the Committee on Infractions could make a finding. As with any case, should the enforcement staff become aware of additional credible information, it will review the information to determine whether further investigation is warranted.

While I get that you and others conveniently ignore that the whole Cam thing was an MSU issue, Auburn's football program was thoroughly vetted resulting in an unprecedented statement by the NCAA discrediting allegations against the program. You simply can't equate Lupoi and Auburn based upon the actual details.

As an aside, while it was completely predictable that you'd once again have to become a college baseball/basketball fan, it's still kinda of sad to see Vandy football hit it's eminent decline so soon and after only reaching such a relatively modest height. Fortunately you're exceptionally graceful when discussing Tennessee football and their fans. :rolleyes:

[dabvu2498]

Yeah. How could I know anything? I don't even watch games.

Ignore. Long time coming. And unlike you, I will actually follow through with my word. Have fun yelling into your echo chamber when Alabama hires the next Pol Pot to be associate strength and conditioning assistant.

[jojo]

Yeah. How could I know anything? I don't even watch games.

Ignore. Long time coming. And unlike you, I will actually follow through with my word. Have fun yelling into your echo chamber when Alabama hires the next Pol Pot to be associate strength and conditioning assistant.

Not really sure you're actually reading and responding to MY posts given this is the second post that suggests I've said something that I haven't. But truthfully,one would've hoped a mod wouldn't even have defaulted to ad hominem but given the unfortunate turn, your self-imposed ignore is welcome.

[Sea Ray]

Looks like Bama is set to hire Tosh Lupoi.

It's pretty clear that the troops in Tuscaloosa are running scared and reacting hard to what's happening on the recruiting trail. Saban is either betting the NCAA wont have any bite at all in a few recruiting cycles or he doesn't plan to be around when the NCAA comes pounding on the door (as his career is essentially one where he's left through the back door as the NCAA has pulled into the driveway). Lupoi is a guy that is a beacon for NCAA investigations. Looks like Bama isn't even going to try and pretend anymore. The 15% already see the writing on the wall. The 85% are in for yet another rude awakening. They'll once again have to explain how Auburn is the dirtiest program in the world and that's why Bama will have to vacate a bunch of wins as it enters probation, a place that Bama football knows very well. If you think that logic makes zero sense, you're right.

Love it. Gus can beat the tar out of them before the NCAA sanctions make beating the tar out of them too easy and less fun.

Extend the same fairness to Alabama that you demand of those that criticized Auburn. Basically you told anyone who dared point out the perception of impropriety at Auburn to shut up.

[jojo]

Extend the same fairness to Alabama that you demand of those that criticized Auburn. Basically you told anyone who dared point out the perception of impropriety at Auburn to shut up.

Shenanigans.

I told them their narrative wasn't factual and demonstrated why.

Concerning Auburn and Alabama and breaking the rules, 29-0. That's the score on numbers of games vacated. Care to compare the number of years each program has spent on probation?

The best Bama fans can do is bring up something over twenty years old while casting a bunch of innuendo about something that happened at MSU. This despite being caught paying a player last year. There simply isn't a factual basis for arguing Auburn is dirty let alone arguing such a thing relative to a program like Bama that has been slapped on the hand so much it has callouses.

But really, it's a little creepy that you want to talk about me so much in both public and private. BTW, you really aren't in a position to lecture others.

[WVRed]

Shenanigans.

I told them their narrative wasn't factual and demonstrated why.

Concerning Auburn and Alabama and breaking the rules, 29-0. That's the score on numbers of games vacated. Care to compare the number of years each program has spent on probation?

The best Bama fans can do is bring up something over twenty years old while casting a bunch of innuendo about something that happened at MSU. This despite being caught paying a player last year. There simply isn't a factual basis for arguing Auburn is dirty let alone arguing such a thing relative to a program like Bama that has been slapped on the hand so much it has callouses.

But really, it's a little creepy that you want to talk about me so much in both public and private. BTW, you really aren't in a position to lecture others.

Sometimes I think you care more about Alabama losing or ending up on probation rather than Auburn winning. Kinda like a lot of Browns and Bengals fans when the Steelers play.

It's Little Brother Syndrome at it's worst. Auburn is to Alabama what Louisville is to Kentucky.

[jojo]

Sometimes I think you care more about Alabama losing or ending up on probation rather than Auburn winning. Kinda like a lot of Browns and Bengals fans when the Steelers play.

It's Little Brother Syndrome at it's worst. Auburn is to Alabama what Louisville is to Kentucky.

Bama only beats Auburn when the Tigers have a down year and it eats at their fanbase. A big brother doesn't have to invent championships and deny the reality of their record concerning cheating. I get that you have to try to understand things relative to a paradigm that you live but in the case of Auburn/Bama it's not accurate at all.

You know why last season was so special? Because it was the embodiment of what Auburn stands for, truly a metaphor on the football field-hard work and team work pay off. Auburn fans are overwhelmingly fans of their University. My passion for Auburn football only has meaning because of my love for the brick and mortar and the way my university lifts up the lives of those throughout the state and southeast (regardless of the team they root for). When Bama wins, the first instinct of "loudmouth" Bama fans (and it's a real and significant portion of the fanbase) is to troll the internet, radio, workplace, and public because the win means nothing to them if it doesn't allow a sense of superiority. And I don't mean just Auburn space. Check out a fanboard of any team that plays Bama. They are overwhelmingly a fan of a football program exercising a cheaply bought nobility that required nothing more than buying a tshirt at Walmart and turning on a tv. This has nothing to do with little brother/big brother. This has everything to do with having annoying neighbors who treat college athletics as a proxy for their self worth.

You know why Auburn fans went nuts after the 2013 iron bowl? Because it will go down as one of the greatest games in college football history, it paved the way to the SEC championship game, and it was against one of our toughest opponents and most heated rival. Our community collectively celebrated Auburn University. Do you know how utterly satisfying and exciting it is to have 100,000 people simultaneously revel in a place that you also love? You know why we took extra pleasure in beating Bama, especially in the fashion that our guys did? Not because it lets me feel superior to a Bama fan. It's because it bought Auburn fans a year of silence from loudmouth Bama fan. Literally, I can take communion without hearing roll tide exclaimed. Literally. Finebaum will troll Bama fans for a year. It's nice to have things return back to normal.

Really, describing the dynamic between Auburn/Bama as little brother syndrome is something someone might do if they really don't understand the dynamic which is understandable if one hasn't had to live it. It's closer to call it loudmouth/annoying cousin versus the one who has to get up early for work in the morning.

It is kind of surreal to see a member of a fanbase that can accurately be described as possessing a sense of entitlement want to talk about "little brother syndrome" though. Veruca Salt wasn't a big sister. She was a spoiled brat.

[Sea Ray]

But really, it's a little creepy that you want to talk about me so much in both public and private.

When have I ever talked about you in private?

[WVRed]

Bama only beats Auburn when the Tigers have a down year and it eats at their fanbase. A big brother doesn't have to invent championships and deny the reality of their record concerning cheating. I get that you have to try to understand things relative to a paradigm that you live but in the case of Auburn/Bama it's not accurate at all.

You know why last season was so special? Because it was the embodiment of what Auburn stands for, truly a metaphor on the football field-hard work and team work pay off. Auburn fans are overwhelmingly fans of their University. My passion for Auburn football only has meaning because of my love for the brick and mortar and the way my university lifts up the lives of those throughout the state and southeast (regardless of the team they root for). When Bama wins, the first instinct of "loudmouth" Bama fans (and it's a real and significant portion of the fanbase) is to troll the internet, radio, workplace, and public because the win means nothing to them if it doesn't allow a sense of superiority. And I don't mean just Auburn space. Check out a fanboard of any team that plays Bama. They are overwhelmingly a fan of a football program exercising a cheaply bought nobility that required nothing more than buying a tshirt at Walmart and turning on a tv. This has nothing to do with little brother/big brother. This has everything to do with having annoying neighbors who treat college athletics as a proxy for their self worth.

You know why Auburn fans went nuts after the 2013 iron bowl? Because it will go down as one of the greatest games in college football history, it paved the way to the SEC championship game, and it was against one of our toughest opponents and most heated rival. Our community collectively celebrated Auburn University. Do you know how utterly satisfying and exciting it is to have 100,000 people simultaneously revel in a place that you also love? You know why we took extra pleasure in beating Bama, especially in the fashion that our guys did? Not because it lets me feel superior to a Bama fan. It's because it bought Auburn fans a year of silence from loudmouth Bama fan. Literally, I can take communion without hearing roll tide exclaimed. Literally. Finebaum will troll Bama fans for a year. It's nice to have things return back to normal.

Really, describing the dynamic between Auburn/Bama as little brother syndrome is something someone might do if they really don't understand the dynamic which is understandable if one hasn't had to live it. It's closer to call it loudmouth/annoying cousin versus the one who has to get up early for work in the morning.

It is kind of surreal to see a member of a fanbase that can accurately be described as possessing a sense of entitlement want to talk about "little brother syndrome" though. Veruca Salt wasn't a big sister. She was a spoiled brat.

That's all fine well and good except when every little thing Alabama does is going to get them put on probation. Same way with Calipari at Kentucky. People want to cry foul even when there is no burden of proof that something took place.

[Boston Red]

It's Little Brother Syndrome at it's worst. Auburn is to Alabama what Louisville is to Kentucky.

Anybody who's hung around this forum would think UK was the little brother as much as you guys talk about Louisville.

[RiverRat13]

Pretty interesting story. It is all based on unnamed sources, so it could be completely made-up for all I know.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

[WVRed]

Missouri releases Dorial Green Beckham after his latest arrest.

Prediction : He ends up with Josh Harvey Clemons at Louisville.

[Boston Red]

Missouri releases Dorial Green Beckham after his latest arrest.

Prediction : He ends up with Josh Harvey Clemons at Louisville.

That. Would. Be. Awesome!

[BluegrassRedleg]

I've always found Auburn fans to be pretty exceptional sports and hosts in regard to Kentucky. A couple of years ago when the Cats won at Auburn for about the first time since the Big Bang, they were really gracious. I've never really sense that from Bama (although I haven't seen the ugly side, either).

[jojo]

I've always found Auburn fans to be pretty exceptional sports and hosts in regard to Kentucky. A couple of years ago when the Cats won at Auburn for about the first time since the Big Bang, they were really gracious. I've never really sense that from Bama (although I haven't seen the ugly side, either).



Auburn hospitality sets standards
Gamecock fans can show team pride without being rude, disrespectful
By Josh Dawsey, Ellen Meder and Kara Apel
The Daily Gamecock


Welcome to Auburn.

Seriously. Welcome to Auburn.

Everyone said it - while giving directions, offering food, serving free drinks and speaking to all.

They shook hands. They thanked you for visiting.

And some even apologized just in case someone else was mean to you. It almost felt like there was a planned hospitality committee in this gorgeous, quaint town on the Plains. We all were in awe- the only rude fans we saw were wearing garnet and black.

Jordan-Hare Stadium was an incredible experience due to a raucous crowd, a fantastic gameday environment and a gorgeous eagle that swooped over the stadium and sat on the sideline. The crowd chanted the entire game, but there were no rude catcalls toward USC or untoward motions to the fans, at least from our vantage points.

This small town was the best of the best. Before the game, friends told us all the campus was like Clemson. Not true. This place was pristine with class. It had character. And the people had character. They even recycled.

Contrast that with nine days ago during the USC-Furman game. Our students screamed obscenities at a measly out-of-conference opponent. There were boos when the other team took the field. We were rude to Furman. Yes - Furman.

And that's not even considering Georgia. We all saw horrible exchanges during that game, from our students cursing out older fans to belligerent drunks throwing up in the student section to security guards escorting our students out by the multitudes.

Sure, other schools are rude. LSU and Georgia are among the worst. But as some of us have noticed, we're getting a reputation for being among the worst, too. Do we want that? Football is fierce and intense. But we believe our student body should desire to be above the fray - above the substandard, juvenile conduct of others. What does that say about us? Are we holding to our ideals?

This is not to say we should care less. Let's care more. But let's show some class, some respect and some South Carolina hospitality. Let's not scream obscenities or racial slurs at the other team.

It's sometimes said football is a lot like life. If so, we're leaving a lot to be desired.

Thank you, Auburn. You set the standard for what SEC football should be. If we have to lose, we'll lose there every time. From what we saw, you gave us the best of the South and the best college football has to offer. Let's do the same for Alabama in two weeks.

http://www.dailygame...rds-1.1648337#5

[jojo]

Anyone who wants a preview of the next national champions can watch Auburn's A day on ESPN in about an hour.

There's 16 five star recruits from the 2015/2016 classes on campus to watch....you could pretend you are one of them.

It should have a similar format as last year's game and given the spring has been full contact/physical in nature again, the game itself might mirror last years unusually physical spring game. No zone read today though because QBs will be called down if a defender enters their 3 yd bubble. The coaches really feel hard core training off the field and physical practices on the field are important for fostering Auburn's traditional "blue collar, you're in for a slobberknocking dogfight" reputation. In short no one is going to outwork or out physical Auburn. Gus's version of a HUNH team is a punishing one which is ironic because mot of the HUNH detractors seem to dislike it because of a perception of it being soft.

Last year 80,000+ attended. Judging by the RV caravan, Jordan-Hare will be crowded again but most students are gone for easter weekend. If you declare religious objections you don't have to attend classes on good Friday even though it is not an official university holiday. Auburn's student body found religion this week.

[jojo]

Gus just stole 4 star safety Ben Edwards from Urban's evil clutches as Edwards decommitted from OSU and committed to Auburn following the A day game.

[jojo]

Apparently buckeye nation is freaking out over the Edwards decommitment.

They act like they're shocked which is kind of surprising because Auburn has recruited him extremely hard and doubled down their efforts after he committed to OSU. I think the only way someone who is supposedly in the know wouldnt have been out in front of this one is if he actually isn't very good at what he does.

The actual article itself is proof of delusion. Apparently the only way this couldve happened is if the dirtiest program in history paid Edwards. Pretty crappy pot shot at the student too by simultaneously calling out his character and honesty/loyalty. Once again the white knight Sir Urban and The Camelot University suffers for its righteousness apparently.

Bottom line, Edwards was never a solid commit and OSU was out worked and had a less compelling argument for why Edwards should chose them.

The writer embarrassed the buckeye board and should apologize to the student.

Concerning his implied notion that Auburn cheated, Auburn football has been sanction free for over two decades. Hey Bax, how about Ohio State?

http://auburn.247sports.com/Article/Baxs-Bucket-On-The-Ledge-28236581

[jojo]

Arkansas fan expresses his love with an aftermarket bug.

http://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/car.jpg?w=1000

[Sea Ray]

Arkansas fan expresses his love with an aftermarket bug.



You wonder what a guy like this does with such a car on the 350 days a year that are NOT football Saturdays...:confused:

[jojo]

You wonder what a guy like this does with such a car on the 350 days a year that are NOT football Saturdays...:confused:

I'm guessing NOT picking up chicks....

[dabvu2498]

Probably just as well that James Franklin is no longer in Nashville.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2014/04/29/james-franklin-allegation-surfaces-vandy-filing/8476049/

[WVRed]

Probably just as well that James Franklin is no longer in Nashville.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2014/04/29/james-franklin-allegation-surfaces-vandy-filing/8476049/

So in trying to distance themselves from JoePa they hired someone who did something just as bad?

Seems legit.

[Sea Ray]

What's amazing to me how cherished and praised James Franklin was by the Commodore faithful and now he's the villian, worse than JoePa

[dabvu2498]

What's amazing to me how cherished and praised James Franklin was by the Commodore faithful and now he's the villian, worse than JoePa

Kinda like Fulmer, Kiffin, Dooley and Jones (will be)? :D

The more I think about this, the more I think Jimmy Franks is probably in the clear. Apparently the girl was already known around the program as one of the hosts for on campus visits. The way the defense's filing and subsequent articles read, it seems like he approached her to be a host after the incident, which is not correct.

Also, the DA prosecuting this case gave JF another "clean bill of health" to the media yesterday. Unless there's a cover-up of Winston-esque proportions, I think this is mostly a case of a defense attorney trying to crap all over a prosecutor's case and not much more. It certainly can't be making JF's life easy right now though. Which may be a nice ancillary benefit for the defendant in question.

[Sea Ray]

Kinda like Fulmer, Kiffin, Dooley and Jones (will be)? :D

The more I think about this, the more I think Jimmy Franks is probably in the clear. Apparently the girl was already known around the program as one of the hosts for on campus visits. The way the defense's filing and subsequent articles read, it seems like he approached her to be a host after the incident, which is not correct.

Also, the DA prosecuting this case gave JF another "clean bill of health" to the media yesterday. Unless there's a cover-up of Winston-esque proportions, I think this is mostly a case of a defense attorney trying to crap all over a prosecutor's case and not much more. It certainly can't be making JF's life easy right now though. Which may be a nice ancillary benefit for the defendant in question.

Fulmer was praised before his firing???Where have you been? He was run out of town on a rail. The folks were not impressed with his coaching. If anything they like him more now than they did then. You couldn't have picked a more diametrically opposed case if you'd tried.

Dooley had also lost support before his firing. And once he left, people quickly forgot about him. He's not found a head coaching gig either.

The closest example would be Kiffin. He sure was villified when he left and for good reason. But he never had much success at Knoxville.

Next time put more thought into your examples. Just listing the coaches since Johnny Majors doesn't do much...

[dabvu2498]

Phil was once loved, then not so much. Kiffin was loved, then not so much. Dooley was loved (for about a week), then not so much. Jones is the flavor of the month, but nothing lasts. It's the nature of fandom. Vanderbilt doesn't have an exclusive on being fickle.

[Sea Ray]

Phil was once loved, then not so much. Kiffin was loved, then not so much. Dooley was loved (for about a week), then not so much. Jones is the flavor of the month, but nothing lasts. It's the nature of fandom. Vanderbilt doesn't have an exclusive on being fickle.

Vanderbilt went from love to villian in a matter of one week. That sets it apart from many other situations

[dabvu2498]

Vanderbilt went from love to villian in a matter of one week. That sets it apart from many other situations

Any time a coach leaves voluntarily, there can be some hurt feelings. Plenty of examples of that.

[Sea Ray]

Any time a coach leaves voluntarily, there can be some hurt feelings. Plenty of examples of that.

No question...and of the examples you gave, only Kiffin left voluntarily. The classy way to do it is the way it works at UC. First Mark Dantonio left, then Brian Kelly and finally Butch. Everytime the attitude was "we're happy for them. They went to very good programs, etc, etc". They didn't continue to rake them thru the coals months later. They hired a new coach and moved on

[dabvu2498]

Given that some of the things that are alleged to have happened re: Franklin at Vanderbilt may have some long-term implications for the program, it's entirely appropriate to continue to "rake him thru the coals."

Also, your memory is sketchy on BK leaving. He burned some bridges on his way out.

[dabvu2498]

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/college/cincinnati-bearcats-rip-brian-kelly-leaves-notre-dame-new-head-coach-article-1.435605

[Sea Ray]

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/college/cincinnati-bearcats-rip-brian-kelly-leaves-notre-dame-new-head-coach-article-1.435605

Thanks for the pic of the Brazilian bombshell topless but I don't know what it has to do ith SEC football...

[dabvu2498]

Thanks for the pic of the Brazilian bombshell topless but I don't know what it has to do ith SEC football...

There's an article there with some of the well wishes Kelly got on his way out.

"He went for the money," Cincy WR Mardy Gilyard told the AP last night. "I'm fairly disgusted with the situation that they let it go for that long."

"The Tuesday before we played Pitt, he was telling us how much he loves it here, how he loves this team, how he loves coaching here and how much his family loves it here," quarterback Tony Pike said.

I dare say we could find some similar sentiment in the RZ archives.

[Sea Ray]

There's an article there with some of the well wishes Kelly got on his way out.

"He went for the money," Cincy WR Mardy Gilyard told the AP last night. "I'm fairly disgusted with the situation that they let it go for that long."

"The Tuesday before we played Pitt, he was telling us how much he loves it here, how he loves this team, how he loves coaching here and how much his family loves it here," quarterback Tony Pike said.

I dare say we could find some similar sentiment in the RZ archives.

Maybe time has clouded my memory but I still don't recall them moaning about it 4 mos later.

[dabvu2498]

Maybe time has clouded my memory but I still don't recall them moaning about it 4 mos later.

Read... I'm not "moaning" about it. Quite the opposite, in truth.

[RedTeamGo!]

Apparently buckeye nation is freaking out over the Edwards decommitment.

They act like they're shocked which is kind of surprising because Auburn has recruited him extremely hard and doubled down their efforts after he committed to OSU. I think the only way someone who is supposedly in the know wouldnt have been out in front of this one is if he actually isn't very good at what he does.

The actual article itself is proof of delusion. Apparently the only way this couldve happened is if the dirtiest program in history paid Edwards. Pretty crappy pot shot at the student too by simultaneously calling out his character and honesty/loyalty. Once again the white knight Sir Urban and The Camelot University suffers for its righteousness apparently.

Bottom line, Edwards was never a solid commit and OSU was out worked and had a less compelling argument for why Edwards should chose them.

The writer embarrassed the buckeye board and should apologize to the student.

Concerning his implied notion that Auburn cheated, Auburn football has been sanction free for over two decades. Hey Bax, how about Ohio State?

http://auburn.247sports.com/Article/Baxs-Bucket-On-The-Ledge-28236581

Meh, I will take the more talented Erick Smith from the 2014 class. I am sure they will recruit some better safeties in the meantime - Edwards was only ranked 282nd in the nation, Smith was ranked 66th.

[jojo]

Meh, I will take the more talented Erick Smith from the 2014 class. I am sure they will recruit some better safeties in the meantime - Edwards was only ranked 282nd in the nation, Smith was ranked 66th.

Edwards is a heat seeking missile and really he would be a take for most programs so having him taken wasn't a comfortable thing for Meyer. But I could see how a Buckeye fan would be perfectly content with their secondary... :D

[RedTeamGo!]

Oh yeah, secondary has been bad last couple years, no doubt. It's a loss, but I just don't think it's that big of a deal. I am sure the kid is good, but he can most likely be replaced, If they had stolen a QB, D/O-lineman, or even a CB I would be upset, but its just a safety.

[jojo]

Oh yeah, secondary has been bad last couple years, no doubt. It's a loss, but I just don't think it's that big of a deal. I am sure the kid is good, but he can most likely be replaced, If they had stolen a QB, D/O-lineman, or even a CB I would be upset, but its just a safety.

I think rather than attacking the kid's character and alleging that the other university cheats (both BS things to do), Bax shouldve just said, OSU lost a good one but it was clear his commitment was shaky and the kid did the right thing by decommitting because, A) he wasn't 100% and, B) doing so now gives the staff as much time as possible for plan B. Edwards could've decommitted during quiet period in December..... Bax didn't just take the low road, he made one up.

[jojo]

Austin Golson, a former 4 star OT is transferring from Ole Miss to Auburn where he'll walk on with the Tigers. He played in 12 games for the Rebels last season as a true freshman. He is from Prattville, AL (about an hour and a half from Auburn) and has expressed a wish to play closer to home given serious health concerns with his grandparents (which probably creates a big hardship for his parents concerning travel to Oxford). Usual transfer rules likely apply as there hasn't been any talk of a hardship waiver (he's probably looking at playing in 2015). Big pick up for Auburn but the circumstances make it difficult to feel too joyous.

[jojo]

The loveliest village on the plains...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BniestXCEAA2SsJ.jpg

https://twitter.com/NCAACathedrals/status/466297054071754752/photo/1

[jojo]

Auburn reels in another as junior college 5-star RB Jovon Robinson recommitted to the Tigers this morning choosing Auburn over Bama, FSU, and USC. He really has no deficiencies in his game and is expected to step right in and be a signficant contributor. This gives the Tigers their third 5-star RB commit since Gus took over. Some might remember Jovon as the player who signed in 2012 but was ruled inelible when irregularities were found regarding one of his grades. This is a major get for the Tigers as being forced to play at Georgia Military College reopened his recruitment and this guy is for real and is one of the few guys who possesses the necesary skillset to be a true everydown back in Gus' offense (he can block, catch, run between the tackles, and has the blazing speed and break away ability to be a serious threat in open space). This guy could set records.

[RedTeamGo!]

Does 5-star JUCO = 5-star HS recruit?

Sincere question - I did not know JUCO's got star ratings.

[jojo]

Does 5-star JUCO = 5-star HS recruit?

Sincere question - I did not know JUCO's got star ratings.

5-star is 5-star....it's relative to their likelihood of being drafted/being an impact player in the nfl. HS/JUCO doesn't really factor in to the rating that much. I think where HS/JUCO is meaningful is concerning the timetable for when they might impact your college team as a JUCO player would generally be expected to play a significant role more quickly than a HS player.

[Assembly Hall]

Let's get down to brass tacks.....jojo are you an Auburn fan?:lol:

[WVRed]

Surprised jojo hasn't brought this up yet:

An Alabama recruit posted a picture of himself on Twitter with his new Corvette, prompting all kinds of responses. One response was from Alabama native and former WVU QB Pat White, who said he was so glad he turned down a Corvette to become a Mountaineer.

When Nick Saban was asked about it, his response was "kiss my ass". My thought when reading it is why would Alabama offer a Corvette to a two star recruit that wouldn't have played QB (White).

[jojo]

Surprised jojo hasn't brought this up yet:

An Alabama recruit posted a picture of himself on Twitter with his new Corvette, prompting all kinds of responses. One response was from Alabama native and former WVU QB Pat White, who said he was so glad he turned down a Corvette to become a Mountaineer.

When Nick Saban was asked about it, his response was "kiss my ass". My thought when reading it is why would Alabama offer a Corvette to a two star recruit that wouldn't have played QB (White).

Why did Mike Shula do anything that he did? Besides, Bama was in the middle of getting a near decade long beat down from Auburn. They were giving corvettes to jr high kids back then.... But this just in...Bama has a long, documented history of cheating (and being caught and spanked). It's why all you hear Bama fans want to talk about is how dirty Auburn is,,,,,, it's simply attempts to deflect from the reality....and it's a narrative that doesn't jive with history.

[Assembly Hall]

Say what? 'Bama cheats? Rumor has it the Tide alum are fed up with Saban and his antics. They are hoping to lure Pete Carroll away from the Seahawks to restore their image.

[jojo]

Say what? 'Bama cheats? Rumor has it the Tide alum are fed up with Saban and his antics. They are hoping to lure Pete Carroll away from the Seahawks to restore their image.

The reality of the Pat White tweet is that it's actually pretty unlikely that Shula offered White a corvette mainly because the NCAA was so up in Bama's grill about violations/compliance during that period that Bama really wasn't in a position to offer players sportscars. In other words, they were so dirty that too many eyes were on them during that time.

[WVRed]

The reality of the Pat White tweet is that it's actually pretty unlikely that Shula offered White a corvette mainly because the NCAA was so up in Bama's grill about violations/compliance during that period that Bama really wasn't in a position to offer players sportscars. In other words, they were so dirty that too many eyes were on them during that time.

I repeat, why would you offer a three star player a Corvette? I could see a top recruit nationally, but Pat White is so full of himself it's not funny.

[jojo]

I repeat, why would you offer a three star player a Corvette? I could see a top recruit nationally, but Pat White is so full of himself it's not funny.

If a coach falls in love with a player's potential, stars don't matter. Auburn has had a run of highly touted OL commitments during the last few years. If you bump into Coach Grimes though all he talks about is a 3star they've recruited like the kid will be the next Willie Anderson. Not saying that's what White would've been as a DB for Bama just that stars really don't matter. But the NCAA was so far up in Bama's grill though during the Shula years, that I doubt Bama was shooting a crooked arrow.

[Assembly Hall]

I repeat, why would you offer a three star player a Corvette? I could see a top recruit nationally, but Pat White is so full of himself it's not funny.

It happens all the time...but it aint always corvettes.

As far as Pat White....maybe is just tired of the love 'Bama gets across the board.

[Assembly Hall]

The reality of the Pat White tweet is that it's actually pretty unlikely that Shula offered White a corvette mainly because the NCAA was so up in Bama's grill about violations/compliance during that period that Bama really wasn't in a position to offer players sportscars. In other words, they were so dirty that too many eyes were on them during that time.

Well it appears there are going to be a lot of eyes on them now as well.

[jojo]

Well it appears there are going to be a lot of eyes on them now as well.

HA HA was paid last year and nothing happened. Pat White doesn't irk me as much as Saban "calling for a tougher schedule".... Bama has benefited from an easier schedule than their traditional conference roadblocks since....well, since the SEC was invented. Bama has a great PR machine.

[Assembly Hall]

The wheels of justice can be very slow turning and in the NCAA's case...I don't know if there is any justice at all.

As far as the scheduling in the SEC in Bama's case, I have been keeping an eye on it. It has been pewtrid.

[WVRed]

The wheels of justice can be very slow turning and in the NCAA's case...I don't know if there is any justice at all.

As far as the scheduling in the SEC in Bama's case, I have been keeping an eye on it. It has been pewtrid.

I look for teams in other conferences to do everything possible to keep the SEC out. The ACC is even going as far as scheduling out of conference games against themselves. Bob Bowlsby, commissioner of the Big 12 has said they will in no way help the SEC.

[jojo]

I look for teams in other conferences to do everything possible to keep the SEC out. The ACC is even going as far as scheduling out of conference games against themselves. Bob Bowlsby, commissioner of the Big 12 has said they will in no way help the SEC.

The SEC doesn't need help from the Big 12. That said, the SEC does say thanks for the gift of Texas A&M. That move alone renders anything a commissioner of the Big 12 has to say as cute but not something to be taken seriously. The Big 12 has always been a bastardized football conference. It's a marriage of convenience as a conference rather than a true draw.

[WVRed]

The SEC doesn't need help from the Big 12. That said, the SEC does say thanks for the gift of Texas A&M. That move alone renders anything a commissioner of the Big 12 has to say as cute but not something to be taken seriously. The Big 12 has always been a bastardized football conference. It's a marriage of convenience as a conference rather than a true draw.

I'd even include Missouri. Won the SEC East in only the second year of the conference. Still, opening up the SEC to Texas is a thank you card that is too big to write.

Two years later, replacing A&M and Missouri with TCU and West Virginia looks like a move that will ultimately delay the demise of that conference. Both schools are overly inflated due to their standing in their previous conference and it hasn't worked out since coming into a better conference.

[WMR]

If only WVU could have known they could have gone into the ACC if they'd only been a little more patient. Being in the B12 has been a disaster for them.

[jojo]

I'd even include Missouri. Won the SEC East in only the second year of the conference. Still, opening up the SEC to Texas is a thank you card that is too big to write.

Two years later, replacing A&M and Missouri with TCU and West Virginia looks like a move that will ultimately delay the demise of that conference. Both schools are overly inflated due to their standing in their previous conference and it hasn't worked out since coming into a better conference.

I'm pretty sure that WVU will destroy Bama in the season opener to kick off a season of utter melt down on sand mountain.

[WVRed]

If only WVU could have known they could have gone into the ACC if they'd only been a little more patient. Being in the B12 has been a disaster for them.

They don't fit in culturally with the ACC. The only conference close would be the SEC and that ship has sailed. Even then, they offer nothing of value to the conference.


I'm pretty sure that WVU will destroy Bama in the season opener to kick off a season of utter melt down on sand mountain.

How much have you watched WVU? I followed them somewhat last season and I'd say it will be the other way around.

This isn't Oklahoma were talking about. WVUs best player last season was Charles Sims, a RB who has since graduated. The QB situation is WIDE open, and Dana Holgorsen will likely be coaching for his job. He's basically running the Hal Mumme offense which is nothing new in the Big 12 and the recruiting has been his ultimate undoing. Fans in Morgantown are not patient and if there isn't a turnaround this season, there will be a coaching change.

[jojo]

How much have you watched WVU? I followed them somewhat last season and I'd say it will be the other way around.

This isn't Oklahoma were talking about. WVUs best player last season was Charles Sims, a RB who has since graduated. The QB situation is WIDE open, and Dana Holgorsen will likely be coaching for his job. He's basically running the Hal Mumme offense which is nothing new in the Big 12 and the recruiting has been his ultimate undoing. Fans in Morgantown are not patient and if there isn't a turnaround this season, there will be a coaching change.

Desperation....nothing motivates better. Bama couldn't even score a point in the first half of it's spring game. Coker will be fresh meat having not even participated in spring practice. Sand Mountaineers have already started counting on another national championship. The stage is set....

[WMR]

They don't fit in culturally with the ACC. The only conference close would be the SEC and that ship has sailed. Even then, they offer nothing of value to the conference.



How much have you watched WVU? I followed them somewhat last season and I'd say it will be the other way around.

This isn't Oklahoma were talking about. WVUs best player last season was Charles Sims, a RB who has since graduated. The QB situation is WIDE open, and Dana Holgorsen will likely be coaching for his job. He's basically running the Hal Mumme offense which is nothing new in the Big 12 and the recruiting has been his ultimate undoing. Fans in Morgantown are not patient and if there isn't a turnaround this season, there will be a coaching change.

They would've gotten louisville's spot.

[WVRed]

Desperation....nothing motivates better. Bama couldn't even score a point in the first half of it's spring game. Coker will be fresh meat having not even participated in spring practice. Sand Mountaineers have already started counting on another national championship. The stage is set....

Again, given what is going on in West Virginia, Roll Tide.

Doesn't matter how bad Alabama will be offensively, they will still score more than WVU, a team that was shut out by Maryland last season.

[jojo]

Again, given what is going on in West Virginia, Roll Tide.

Doesn't matter how bad Alabama will be offensively, they will still score more than WVU, a team that was shut out by Maryland last season.

Your lack of enthusiasm for a Bammer bummer is a buzz kill.

[WVRed]

They would've gotten louisville's spot.

Big 12 yes, and I'd even debate that as WVU to the Big 12 was pretty much sealed up before Mitch McConnell got involved. Had Louisville jumped in quicker and it wouldn't have been as messy, Louisville might have gotten in over WVU.

ACC though? I hate Louisville as much as any UK fan, but WVU in the ACC is like inviting the redneck cousin to the country club. The ACC is a wine and cheese league and WVU doesn't fit the bill. Louisville was a desperation move after losing Maryland and while the Crown Royal crowd isn't much better, it's still an upgrade over the couch burning crowd in Morgantown.

[Slyder]

If only WVU could have known they could have gone into the ACC if they'd only been a little more patient. Being in the B12 has been a disaster for them.

ACC was never going to invite WVU. Duke, UNC, Wake, Virginia will shut their doors before they allow a bunch of hillbillies in the blue blood conference. The ACC deserves each other as a 2nd tier football conference, I rather be in the Big 12 than the red headed step child in another conference where the commissioner is more worried about a select few rather than the betterment of all the schools.

[Slyder]

Both schools are overly inflated due to their standing in their previous conference and it hasn't worked out since coming into a better conference.

When you lose 18 players from your 2 deep because of injuries throughout a year, you're going to struggle. There's very few schools who could afford to take those kind of injuries, we had literally 90% of our offense graduate or go pro (Smith, Austin, Bailey). If we had even average QB play I think we make a bowl last year and I still have faith in this coaching staff. Many fans in meltdown mode are use to being able to show up and beat 80% of our conference without trying (Big East beyond 2007). We can't get away with that anymore, I like the addition of Bradley to the defensive staff and the sheer numbers in our recruiting. I think the future is as bright as its been since 13-9.

[WVRed]

When you lose 18 players from your 2 deep because of injuries throughout a year, you're going to struggle. There's very few schools who could afford to take those kind of injuries, we had literally 90% of our offense graduate or go pro (Smith, Austin, Bailey). If we had even average QB play I think we make a bowl last year and I still have faith in this coaching staff. Many fans in meltdown mode are use to being able to show up and beat 80% of our conference without trying (Big East beyond 2007). We can't get away with that anymore, I like the addition of Bradley to the defensive staff and the sheer numbers in our recruiting. I think the future is as bright as its been since 13-9.

Problem is, the QB situation isn't much better than it was last year. Trickett, Childress, and Millard are still there and the JuCo transfer Howard.

The defense is fine. It's how is the offense going to score enough points? Offense is supposed to be Holgorsens calling card and last season there really wasn't much of a progression. Playing Alabama to start the season doesn't help either.

[KronoRed]

ACC was never going to invite WVU. Duke, UNC, Wake, Virginia will shut their doors before they allow a bunch of hillbillies in the blue blood conference.

They already invited a ton of hillbillies on board, the UNC/Vir schools lost control in 1992.

[WMR]

Is Muschamp going to get things rolling this year with his new coordinator? You gotta believe he's coaching for his job this year, although the UF AD has shown he will buck popular sentiment if necessary...

[KronoRed]

Is Muschamp going to get things rolling this year with his new coordinator? You gotta believe he's coaching for his job this year, although the UF AD has shown he will buck popular sentiment if necessary...

3rd oc in 4 years, he's the problem, hopefully some good candidates available this season.

[jojo]

Well I guess when the Provost tells you to stop giving alcohol enemas, in Tennessee Vol circles that must mean just one thing.... splash hot sauce on your genitals....

Seriously. If one isn't embarrassed to display vol swag at this point, not sure how more it would take hide one's affiliation.

http://time.com/110266/hot-sauce-genitals-hazing/?hpt=hp_t3

[Sea Ray]

Well I guess when the Provost tells you to stop giving alcohol enemas, in Tennessee Vol circles that must mean just one thing.... splash hot sauce on your genitals....

Seriously. If one isn't embarrassed to display vol swag at this point, not sure how more it would take hide one's affiliation.

http://time.com/110266/hot-sauce-genitals-hazing/?hpt=hp_t3

What a frat does to their pledges has nothing to do with football Saturdays in Knoxville. It couldn't be further from my mind when it's 3rd and goal at the 8

[jojo]

What a frat does to their pledges has nothing to do with football Saturdays in Knoxville. It couldn't be further from my mind when it's 3rd and goal at the 8

Actually what goes on at a university does mean more than what happens when it's 3rd ad goal at the 8 but I guess this suggests it'll take much more for vols fans to hide their swag than being known as Buttchugger U or Hot Sauce State.

[WVRed]

Actually what goes on at a university does mean more than what happens when it's 3rd ad goal at the 8 but I guess this suggests it'll take much more for vols fans to hide their swag than being known as Buttchugger U or Hot Sauce State.

It only matters when the team isn't relevant in anything.

If Auburn students were doing this and they weren't winning, it would be the same thing.

[Kingspoint]

The Nation's #1 dual-threat QB, Kyler Murray, chose Texas A&M over Oregon this afternoon.

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2014/05/elite_quarterback_kyler_murray.html#incart_most-read

[jojo]

The Nation's #1 dual-threat QB, Kyler Murray, chose Texas A&M over Oregon this afternoon.

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2014/05/elite_quarterback_kyler_murray.html#incart_most-read

Boo, hiss, hiss. I was kind of hoping that Sumlin would get stuck with an oak tree for a QB.

[jojo]

BOOM!

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24576937/auburn-traces-chris-davis-path-from-the-kick-six-in-the-iron-bowl

[Chip R]

SEC pondering move to Division IV

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sec-ponders-potential-move-division-203759682--ncaaf.html

[jojo]

SEC pondering move to Division IV

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sec-ponders-potential-move-division-203759682--ncaaf.html

Whenever it's framed as in the best interests of the student athlete, ya know it's about money.

[jojo]

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2014-05-30/if-alabama-is-starving-for-competition

[Cedric]

Georgia boots a guy from their team and within hours he is tweeting that he wants to end up at Auburn.

Incredibly shocking news there.

[Boston Red]

I expect that guy to end up at Louisville. Keep 'em coming 'Dawgs!

[jojo]

Georgia boots a guy from their team and within hours he is tweeting that he wants to end up at Auburn.

Incredibly shocking news there.

It's not shocking because when originally being recruited, it came down to a really close battle between Georgia and Auburn.

It's also not shocking that you'd default to your tired, unsupportable meme that somehow Auburn is dirty.

It wouldn't be shocking to learn that youve got a free tatoo suggesting as much.

It would probably be surprising if he transferred to Auburn because I think he'd have to sit out two years per SEC rules.

[WVRed]

I expect that guy to end up at Louisville. Keep 'em coming 'Dawgs!

I was thinking the same thing.

Alabama replaced Michigan State on the 2016 schedule with....

Wait for it.....

Western Kentucky

Cue up the Saban quotes and pitchforks.

[jojo]

Check out the cash cows in the SEC...

Auburn had $103M in revenue, good for 13th in the NCAA but only 5th in the SEC...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/

[Cedric]

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2014/06/tray_matthews_completes_transf.html

Shocking decision by the kid to transfer to Auburn after repeatedly getting into fights at Georgia and getting arrested on serious charges. The sport is dirty but there isn't anything like the dirt that comes out of Auburn. James Brooks would be outraged if he could read this.

[jojo]

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2014/06/tray_matthews_completes_transf.html

Shocking decision by the kid to transfer to Auburn after repeatedly getting into fights at Georgia and getting arrested on serious charges. The sport is dirty but there isn't anything like the dirt that comes out of Auburn. James Brooks would be outraged if he could read this.

Go get 'em Sparty! He'll help root out the bad teams!

[Boston Red]

Is that Michigan State baseball?!? Michigan State has luxury boxes at their baseball games? That seems odd for a Big Ten program.

[dabvu2498]

Is that Michigan State baseball?!? Michigan State has luxury boxes at their baseball games? That seems odd for a Big Ten program.

I'd guess that was at a conference tourney. Or if they played at one of the local minor league parks for a series. Their place in East Lansing is pretty "retro" and not in a good way.

[jojo]

Senior Auburn cornerback Jonathon Mincy was arrested in Henry County on Saturday and charged with second degree possession of marijuana, a misdemeanor. According to the Henry County Sheriff's office, Mincy was in a car going 92 mph in a 65 mph zone. He was not driving.

Mincy was released on $3,000 bond.

http://www.wtvy.com/sports/headlines/Jonathan-Mincy-Arrested-for-Marijuana-Possession-264998021.html?device=phone

Who knows at this point if he is knee deep in it or just happened to be in the car but regardless of the legal trouble, I wouldn't want to be him, assuming he isn't kicked off of the team.

[jojo]

R.I.P. Lutzie.

An Auburn great, Phillip Lutzenkirchen was tragically killed in a car accident early this morning.

He was a great human and will be missed by all who knew him.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/06/auburn_great_philip_lutzenkirc.html

[jojo]

R.I.P. Lutzie.

An Auburn great, Phillip Lutzenkirchen was tragically killed in a car accident early this morning.

He was a great human and will be missed by all who knew him.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/06/auburn_great_philip_lutzenkirc.html

As the news spread late this morning people started randomly showing up at Toomers corner and began a day long rolling of the trees stretching from Magnolia to the court yard in front of Samford Hall, the iconic administration building.

[jojo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K2OSOZnhqc

[jojo]

http://www.wtvy.com/sports/headlines/Jonathan-Mincy-Arrested-for-Marijuana-Possession-264998021.html?device=phone

Who knows at this point if he is knee deep in it or just happened to be in the car but regardless of the legal trouble, I wouldn't want to be him, assuming he isn't kicked off of the team.

It appears that the search of the car turned up a quantity of marijuana that had a street value of approximately $5. It also appears unlikely that it was Mincy's. It would be surprising if this ends up going anywhere.

Ironically, his lawyer is a Bammer

[WVRed]

Nick Marshall cited for possession of marijuana.

[jojo]

Nick Marshall cited for possession of marijuana.

Basically a traffic ticket.

[jojo]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/eight-members-of-south-carolina-s-2014-recruiting-class-may-not-qualify-academically-200626842.html


Eight members of South Carolina's 2014 recruiting class may not qualify academically

[Kingspoint]

The SEC....the only Conference where "media day" is a bigger event than any given Saturday during the regular season than most other Conferences.

Football is serious....life and death.

[jojo]

The SEC....the only Conference where "media day" is a bigger event than any given Saturday during the regular season than most other Conferences.

Football is serious....life and death.

They're unrolling the SEC network this year too so it's even longer than normal. Football practice start soon though so fans can turn their attention to actual football again soon.

[RedTeamGo!]

Basically a traffic ticket, unless you go to any school other than Auburn, then I think it is a huge deal

FTFY

[jojo]

FTFY

SHENANIGANS.

The worst kind of snark is the kind that reflects back on the OP's bias and fantasies more than it actually makes a factual point. Yours my friend is the worstest of snark. Getting tatoo's for free then having an organized coverup that impedes an investigation, that's not a traffic ticket. Getting a citation that doesn't require a court appearance or a fine much greater than speeding, is basically like a traffic ticket.

[RedTeamGo!]

SHENANIGANS.

The worst kind of snark is the kind that reflects back on the OP's bias and fantasies more than it actually makes a factual point. Yours my friend is the worstest of snark. Getting tatoo's for free then having an organized coverup that impedes an investigation, that's not a traffic ticket. Getting a citation that doesn't require a court appearance or a fine much greater than speeding, is basically like a traffic ticket.

Had nothing to do with the tattoos or OSU, OSU players getting caught with drugs is comparable though.

Anyways, getting in trouble with drugs is not the same as driving over the speed limit, sorry but you can spin it however you want, doesn't make it less true.

Your starting quarterback was caught with drugs. Real talk.

[jojo]

Had nothing to do with the tattoos or OSU, OSU players getting caught with drugs is comparable though.

Anyways, getting in trouble with drugs is not the same as driving over the speed limit, sorry but you can spin it however you want, doesn't make it less true.

Your starting quarterback was caught with drugs. Real talk.

Are you suggesting that Auburn football players get caught with drugs more than any other BCS program? Which of course is a major goal post shift from your first point, that I get huffy about non-Auburn players who are giving traffic tickets for residue.

You're trolling and have no facts for bait. Why be such a troll?

[RedTeamGo!]

Are you suggesting that Auburn football players get caught with drugs more than any other BCS program? Which of course is a major goal post shift from your first point, that I get huffy about non-Auburn players who are giving traffic tickets for residue.

You're trolling and have no facts for bait. Why be such a troll?

Where did I suggest Auburn players get caught with drugs more than other programs?

I wasn't trolling, I just think if this were a Bama player you would be doing the ol' Mr. Burns "Excellllllllent" while running the guys name through the mud. Marshall gets caught with drugs: "meh, nothing to see here."

Your quarterback is a drug user, as someone that has seen the result of that with OSU players in the past, have fun with that.

[jojo]

I wasn't trolling, I just think if this were a Bama player you would be doing the ol' Mr. Burns "Excellllllllent" while running the guys name through the mud. Marshall gets caught with drugs: "meh, nothing to see here."

And your unprovoked personal attack is a bunch of BS. Bama just had a player (I won't name him) get popped for DUI which is IMHO 100x worse than being pulled over for tinted windows and a miniscule amount of pot. Have I linked to that? Nope. Have I posted anything about scooters and FSU? Nope. Have I posted about both Mincy and Marshall? Yep.

You're trolling. Stop it.

[RedTeamGo!]

And your unprovoked personal attack is a bunch of BS. Bama just had a player (I won't name him) get popped for DUI which is IMHO 100x worse than being pulled over for tinted windows and a miniscule amount of pot. Have I linked to that? Nope. Have I posted anything about scooters and FSU? Nope. Have I posted about both Mincy and Marshall? Yep.

You're trolling. Stop it.


"8-or-9" grams of marijuana, which is less than an ounce.

Not sure how much you know about marijuana, but 8 or 9 grams is not a minuscule amount. It is a quarter. If it is good stuff, that's about $100 worth.

When I think minuscule amount of marijuana, I tend to think a gram or less. Semantics, but, just wanted to point out it was not a "minuscule" amount.

[jojo]

Not sure how much you know about marijuana, but 8 or 9 grams is not a minuscule amount. It is a quarter. If it is good stuff, that's about $100 worth.

When I think minuscule amount of marijuana, I tend to think a gram or less. Semantics, but, just wanted to point out it was not a "minuscule" amount.

Just apologize for trolling.

It was an amount that rose to the level of traffic citation that does not require a court appearance.

[Kingspoint]

They're unrolling the SEC network this year too so it's even longer than normal.

I'm surprised there hasn't been one already.

I could see it getting watched more than ESPNU.

[jojo]

I'm surprised there hasn't been one already.

I could see it getting watched more than ESPNU.

Intuitively I agree. But ESPN/SEC have been in hardball negotiations with all of the major cable providers in the south east and the providers wont budge on carrier fees and I think the point they are leveraging is that the netowrk is supposed to debut Aug 16th and there really hasn't been a groundswell of voices demanding it be picked up in the region. In other words there are alot of nonfootball subscribers who might bristle at having to subsidize SEC fan's hobby.

[BillDoran]

Are you suggesting that Auburn football players get caught with drugs more than any other BCS program? Which of course is a major goal post shift from your first point, that I get huffy about non-Auburn players who are giving traffic tickets for residue.

You're trolling and have no facts for bait. Why be such a troll?

The classic jojo double - hectoring and "you moved the goal posts!" - in one post. :thumbup:

Nick Marshall should be expelled from society.

[jojo]

The classic jojo double - hectoring and "you moved the goal posts!" - in one post. :thumbup:

Nick Marshall should be expelled from society.

It's trollapoloosa! Trolls gonna troll.

[RedTeamGo!]

I find it amusing that it was reported "residue" was found in Marshall's vehicle when it was actually a quarter of marijuana. :eek:

[RedTeamGo!]

For the record, I have absolutely no problem with football players smoking marijuana. It is a much safer and non-addictive painkiller compared to pharmaceutical pills. Seems like there are always stories of aging football players addicted to painkillers popping 40 a day.

[jojo]

I find it amusing that it was reported "residue" was found in Marshall's vehicle when it was actually a quarter of marijuana. :eek:

I find it amusing the lengths you'll go to avoid apologizing for your obvious poor behavior. Marshall was cited and doesn't have to appear in court. You can pretend he's a drug smuggler all you want but in the eyes of Georgia law, he had a miniscule amount.

I've clearly indicated that Mincy is believed to have had only "residue" (and his "issue" will likely not stand up and Marshall didn't have enough in his car to warrant more than a simple citation that doesn't even require he appear in court.

You're trolling and have been called out. Clearly youre trying to obfuscate. Since you wont do the right thing and apologize, simply just quit farting in this thread.

[jojo]

For the record, I have absolutely no problem with football players smoking marijuana. It is a much safer and non-addictive painkiller compared to pharmaceutical pills. Seems like there are always stories of aging football players addicted to painkillers popping 40 a day.

So your whole point was to come to an SEC thread and post an unprovoked ad hominem? Troll. Own it.

[RedTeamGo!]

I find it amusing the lengths you'll go to avoid apologizing for your obvious poor behavior. Marshall was cited and doesn't have to appear in court. You can pretend he's a drug smuggler all you want but in the eyes of Georgia law, he had a miniscule amount.

I've clearly indicated that Mincy is believed to have had only "residue" (and his "issue" will likely not stand up and Marshall didn't have enough in his car to warrant more than a simple citation that doesn't even require he appear in court.

You're trolling and have been called out. Clearly youre trying to obfuscate. Since you wont do the right thing and apologize, simply just quit farting in this thread.

A quarter is not a minuscule amount. Where does it say anything less than an ounce is a "minuscule" amount?

By calling me a troll, you are the one that is trolling.


Whoa.

[jojo]

A quarter is not a minuscule amount. Where does it say anything less than an ounce is a "minuscule" amount?

By calling me a troll, you are the one that is trolling.


Whoa.

Georgia thinks it's such a heinous amount of pot that they wrote him a ticket.

You've admitted that you don't even think it's a big deal and every post youve authored seems to point to a motvation to talk about me.

You are trolling and no, it's not a reflection upon me.

[Kingspoint]

In other words there are alot of nonfootball subscribers who might bristle at having to subsidize SEC fan's hobby.

But, as much as the Pac-12 is "The Conference of Champions" and the Big-10 has the ancient rivalries, the SEC still sets the benchmark for College football and has for quite a long time now.

[jojo]

But, as much as the Pac-12 is "The Conference of Champions" and the Big-10 has the ancient rivalries, the SEC still sets the benchmark for College football and has for quite a long time now.

Count me in as a guy who has lobbied his carrier to pick up the network. But try convincing a single female who got her degree from a non-SEC institution or a soccer family that they need to pay extra every month so that I can watch football. That's the card being played by the carriers. In the end, I think the network gets picked up by everyone in the region. The two sides are probably only a $1/household apart. But it aint on my screen till it is.

[Sea Ray]

Count me in as a guy who has lobbied his carrier to pick up the network. But try convincing a single female who got her degree from a non-SEC institution or a soccer family that they need to pay extra every month so that I can watch football. That's the card being played by the carriers. In the end, I think the network gets picked up by everyone in the region. The two sides are probably only a $1/household apart. But it aint on my screen till it is.

So where does this stand? Have any carriers decided to pick it up yet? Time Warner? Directv? Comcast? Does the SEC still have their ESPN contract?

[jojo]

So where does this stand? Have any carriers decided to pick it up yet? Time Warner? Directv? Comcast? Does the SEC still have their ESPN contract?

ESPN basically runs the SEC network. Cox, AT&T and Dish are the only providers thus far that have reached agreements to carry the network to the best of my knowledge.

[KronoRed]

ESPN basically runs the SEC network. Cox, AT&T and Dish are the only providers thus far that have reached agreements to carry the network to the best of my knowledge.

Don't forget Google Fiber, for the 20 lucky people who have it.

[jojo]

Don't forget Google Fiber, for the 20 lucky people who have it.

Presumably they are supposed to announce a few new providers uring SEC media days. We'll see.

[jojo]

SEC Media days are finally over and a bunch of carriers caved to the SEC network so we're one step closer to actual football.

Now here is what they meant to say last week:

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/2014-what-they-meant-to-say/

My favorite:


“Here’s an interesting fact about last season: we didn’t have one 3rd down, on offense or defense, in which a Georgia player didn’t tear his ACL. Look it up.”

“I was told the more arrests you have the better off your championship odds will be. It worked for Urban and Les. I’m yet to see those kind of results. Probably because I kick these guys off… I should probably stop doing that.”

[jojo]

How do some traditional powers do when they play teams that might actually be considered something of an equal? Since 1973 (the season where all started playing at least 11 games; data copied from a post authored by jadennis on AUC):

So I looked at when Auburn started playing 11 regular season games (12 with a bowl game), and broke down the same comparisons from that time forward. That year was 1973.

Since 1973 when your team has 4-6 wins against other teams with 4-6 wins:
.696 - Auburn (16-7)
.585 - Georgia (24-17)
.500 - Alabama (6-6)
.450 - Ohio State (4-5-1)

Since 1973 when your team has 7-9 wins against other teams with 7-9 wins:
.566 - Auburn (38-29-1)
.530 - Georgia (34-30-2)
.500 - Ohio State (23-23-2)
.432 - Alabama (18-24-2)

Since 1973 when your team has 10+ wins against other teams with 10+ wins:
.630 - Auburn (17-10)
.513 - Ohio State (19-18-2)
.488 - Alabama (21-22)
.259 - Georgia (7-20)

Since 1973 combined records when playing teams with comparable win totals:
.606 - Auburn (71-46-1)
.500 - Ohio State (46-46-5)
.465 - Alabama (45-52-2)
.493 - Georgia (65-67-2)

Just some perspective about one of the most heated rivalries in sports...Why do Auburn fans hate Bama? Because Bama fans tend to be obnoxious in a context-independent fashion. Why do Bama fans hate Auburn? Because when Auburn is up, Bama almost never beats them.

[jojo]

This really isn't technically an SEC-related thing but Auburn is mentioned and Jimbo has Aurbun ties..

Art Briles thinks Jimbo is a commie!

http://footballrumormill.com/2014/07/baylors-art-briles-wonders-if-jimbo-fisher-is-a-commie/

The money quote:


If the Big 12 needs to play a championship game then the ACC needs to play…someone, anyone, that’s worth a damn.

Florida State won the final BCS title, but they also showed just how bad the ACC is/was by being dictated to by an undermanned Auburn defense.

If I were Fisher, I’d keep quiet and just hope Jameis Winston stays out of trouble, or at least stops talking about how he’s matured.

And truthfully, if Ricardo Louis had matured enough for the moment to not be too big for him, Auburn would've been up 28-3 in the first half and the game likely would've been a yawner.

Now I tend to agree that its a shame that the Big 12 doesn't have a championship game. But come on, FSU could play 14 ACC conference games and Jimbo would have little authority to call out the Big 12 for scheduling.

[jojo]

Looks like some serious bad news might come out of TAMU in the next day or two.... Rumors are circulating that Speedy Noil and Noel Ellis are potentially involved in gang activity and possibly several armed robberies on campus....

[Boston Red]

I suppose Art Briles would have a bit more authority on this matter if his own team didn't get run out of the building by an AAC team in the Fiesta Bowl.

And the ACC did kind of blow last year, but FSU winning the national title isn't exactly the most damning evidence of that. :)

[jojo]

Here is a list of the 25 fastest offenses from 2013. For all of the saber rattling by Beilema and Saban, only 2 SEC teams (Texas A&M and Ole Miss) made the list.

Yep guys, Gus beat you simply because he jammed the ball down your throats and you couldn't stop it...he ran it through your teeth and you weren't man enough to stop Auburn's running game.

http://auburn.247sports.com/Article/fast-offenses-in-college-football-and-efficient-offenses-29943371


Top 25 Offenses in Fastest Time Per Play

1) BYU — 19.51 seconds per play (2.8%)
2) Texas Tech — 19.52 (12.3%)
3) Wyoming — 19.56 (-4.0%)
4) Baylor — 19.81 (20.5%)
5) Indiana — 20.03 (14.0%)
6) California — 20.18 (-6.7%)
7) Hawai'i — 20.26 (-8.9%)
8) Fresno State — 20.34 (9.9%)
9) Oregon — 20.44 (20.0%)
10) Clemson — 20.53 (13.0%)
11) Marshall — 20.70 (8.6%)
12) Houston — 21.04 (-2.3%)
13) Oklahoma State — 21.13 (10.2%)
14) Boise State — 21.52 (3.9%)
15) Arizona — 21.58 (10.4%)
16) Louisiana Tech 21.75 (-15.2%)
17) Texas A&M — 21.87 (24.0%)
18) Washington — 21.87 (12.1%)
19) SMU — 22.04 (-2.8%)
20) East Carolina — 22.25 (7.4%)
21) Tulsa — 22.27 (-12.2%)
22) Washington State — 22.35 (1.5%)
23) Northern Illinois — 22.35 (4.2%)
24) Southern Miss — 22.58 (-19.8)
25) Mississippi — 22.79 (5.3%)

[Boston Red]

It doesn't really help Bielema's argument when half of the top 10 teams on that list range somewhere between mediocre and terrible.

[jojo]

It doesn't really help Bielema's argument when half of the top 10 teams on that list range somewhere between mediocre and terrible.

I think the take home is that if your offense isn't very good, snapping quicker really just gets them off of the field quicker. Auburn's offensive success, and indeed the success of Gus' offenses in general, have little to do with speed of snap. The point of the HUNH, really is the NH aspect that allows the offense to dictate. It's like that old Bill Cosby joke about cocaine. He is talking with a drug user who is arguing for taking drugs. In the joke, the user explains that he uses cocaine because it excentuates one's personality. To wit, Cosby responds, ya, but what if you're an ahole?!?

Gus' offenses when they are executing are designed to dictate tempo, limit the flexibility of the defense and first and foremost grind the defense down. There were no gimmicks last year unless repeatedly punching someone in the nose is considered a gimmick.

I'm not convinced that Beilema's devotion to big tubbies is going to work going forward. He's always going to have a recruiting disadvantage and will never be the most talented kid on the block and he's also locked into not being particularly innovative either.

[jojo]

Wowsers.... 5 star running back recruit will not enroll at Bama until Jan, 2015 at the earliest....also Saban suspends 2 lineman and a linebacker (Brandon Ivory, Jarran Reed and Tim Williams) who are expected to be significant contributors.

Sand Moutain is burning!

[RiverRat13]

Gus just stole 4 star safety Ben Edwards from Urban's evil clutches as Edwards decommitted from OSU and committed to Auburn following the A day game.

Oops...

[RedTeamGo!]

Oops...

Wonder what the deal is with this kid, why commit and decommit to two seperate schools?

[IslandRed]

There are some like that every year, they just have a hard time saying "no" when put on the spot. Commit in haste, repent at leisure, something like that.

Of course, the whole recruiting game has become performance art -- not just selecting a college, but starring in little mini-reality shows about selecting a college. A lot of so-called commitments are really more like, "save me a spot for now." And some kids who commit early get jealous of the attention other recruits get later in the process, and "open things back up" to create some drama. But the coaches usually know who's solid and who's still looking around.

[jojo]

Wonder what the deal is with this kid, why commit and decommit to two seperate schools?

Recruitment isn't a trivial thing or 17-18 year olds. I think he's sincerely confused. The latest round was precipitated by Stanford coming after him hard. It would be silly of him not to seriously consider a free Stanford education IMHO. Mathews changed the calculus too.

Whatever school gets his signature will be getting a good one.

[Sea Ray]

Time Warner has added the SEC Network and it sounds like it's not in the extended tier either:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2014-07-24/sec-network-adds-time-warner-cable-august-14-launch-directv-bright-house-networks

Looks like the SEC Network will be pretty much everywhere by this Fall

[jojo]

Pretty crappy news out of Athens.

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/college/uga-fullback-merritt-hall-medically-dqd-due-to-con/ng2TK/

[dabvu2498]

SEC Network just went live.

I'm going to save a lot of money in remote batteries now.

[jojo]

SEC Network just went live.

I'm going to save a lot of money in remote batteries now.

This has the potential to get painful in a hurry. I think they're gonna find that the prototypic SEC fan is actually an insanely zealous fan of their college and 90% of that buy-in centers on that school's football program. I don't actually care that the upgrades to the stadium in Lexington are being made using only building materials from KY. Frankly, I don't want to see close ups of that ugly bulldog in Athens. Also everyone knows that Aubie is the only true Tiger mascot. Showing the posers on camera is just tacit acknowledgment that the SECN doesn't yet have the cache to score Aubie.

Ya, actual football can't start soon enough.

[Sea Ray]

I noticed that TWC did not have it in HD. Is it available yet in HD or this a glitch with Time Warner?

[jojo]

Auburn has seven opponents ranked in the AP top 25. Ohio State has one.

https://twitter.com/ClayTravisBGID/status/501072512894394368


Strong analysis here. RT @GW_USPS: a closer look at Ohio State’s schedule pic.twitter.com/1iABqtDv4c

https://twitter.com/ClayTravisBGID/status/501077915279564801

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[RedTeamGo!]

Totally agree OSU's schedule is a joke, but why are OSU and Auburn being compared? The preseason polls? Who cares about preseason polls?