SEC football discussion thread #3

[jojo]

Totally agree OSU's schedule is a joke, but why are OSU and Auburn being compared? The preseason polls? Who cares about preseason polls?

Ask Clay Travis. But I think it was supposed to be a commentary on perception and the playoff system.

[RedTeamGo!]

Ask Clay Travis. But I think it was supposed to be a commentary on perception and the playoff system.

Season hasn't even started, and we finally get a playoff system and people are finding something to ***** about.

It's pretty simple to me. Have 4 big conferences. Winner of each conferences goes to the 4 team playoffs. Wouldn't even need rankings in this system. Champions go to the playoff, boom.

[jojo]

Season hasn't even started, and we finally get a playoff system and people are finding something to ***** about.

It's pretty simple to me. Have 4 big conferences. Winner of each conferences goes to the 4 team playoffs. Wouldn't even need rankings in this system. Champions go to the playoff, boom.

I think the issue most people have with the new system is skepticism about a "committee of experts" and the fact that with the old system you might have arguments about three teams concerning the final two spots....now you'll have arguments about 10 teams deserving on of the final 4 spots.

[RedTeamGo!]

I think the issue most people have with the new system is skepticism about a "committee of experts" and the fact that with the old system you might have arguments about three teams concerning the final two spots....now you'll have arguments about 10 teams deserving on of the final 4 spots.

Basically, fans of the SEC think only teams from the SEC deserve to play for the national championship as they are the only teams that play in the SEC.

Like sands through the hourglass, these are the days of our lives.

[jojo]

Basically, fans of the SEC think only teams from the SEC deserve to play for the national championship as they are the only teams that play in the SEC.

Like sands through the hourglass, these are the days of our lives.

Basically that notion is a silly throw away comment often spouted by big ten fans.

[RedTeamGo!]

Basically that notion is a silly throw away comment often spouted by big ten fans.

When I lived down south it happened every year. SEC fans would go on and on about how the national championship should be between 2 SEC teams. Some years it was true. I don't see how anyone can deny that SEC mindset.

I stated I think OSU's schedule is a joke, doesn't mean they are not more talented than teams with tougher schedules though.

PS: I am not sold on this OSU team, as I think they are lacking defense and Miller is very overrated. I do not think they deserve to be ranked 5th, and honestly in my view they should be somewhere between 10-15. Michigan St deserves to be ranked higher.

OSU is ranked 5th for ratings.

[jojo]

When I lived down south it happened every year. SEC fans would go on and on about how the national championship should be between 2 SEC teams. Some years it was true. I don't see how anyone can deny that SEC mindset.

I stated I think OSU's schedule is a joke, doesn't mean they are not more talented than teams with tougher schedules though.

PS: I am not sold on this OSU team, as I think they are lacking defense and Miller is very overrated. I do not think they deserve to be ranked 5th, and honestly in my view they should be somewhere between 10-15. Michigan St deserves to be ranked higher.

OSU is ranked 5th for ratings.

You and I are having a conversation and you randomly stated a conclusion that in no way followed anything I said or implied. Weird way to have a conversation.

[RedTeamGo!]

You and I are having a conversation and you randomly stated a conclusion that in no way followed anything I said or implied. Weird way to have a conversation.

It was just my way of saying I am not drinking the OSU kool aid this season.

I was bringing it back to the initial tweet about OSU being ranked over Auburn.

Just because Team A has an easier schedule than Team B does not mean Team B is better (at least in preseason). If Team B plays much better than Team A throughout the season, then yes, they are better.

With that said I think Auburn is better than OSU and that preseason polls are and forever will be stupid.

[jojo]

It was just my way of saying I am not drinking the OSU kool aid this season.

I was bringing it back to the initial tweet about OSU being ranked over Auburn.

Just because Team A has an easier schedule than Team B does not mean Team B is better (at least in preseason). If Team B plays much better than Team A throughout the season, then yes, they are better.

With that said I think Auburn is better than OSU and that preseason polls are and forever will be stupid.

I don't know if Auburn is better than OSU or not. It's just Auburn will have a heckuva lot harder road to play OSU head to head than the buckeyes and if they have the identical record but are the last two teams standing for the final spot in the playoffs, auburn ought to get the nod in such a hypothetical.

[Sea Ray]

Basically, fans of the SEC think only teams from the SEC deserve to play for the national championship as they are the only teams that play in the SEC.

Like sands through the hourglass, these are the days of our lives.

Really? Find out what SEC fan had a problem with Florida State playing for the NC and get back with me

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I don't know if Auburn is better than OSU or not. It's just Auburn will have a heckuva lot harder road to play OSU head to head than the buckeyes and if they have the identical record but are the last two teams standing for the final spot in the playoffs, auburn ought to get the nod in such a hypothetical.

Even if Auburn has one more loss they ought to get the nod

[jojo]

http://bustedcoverage.com/2014/08/19/alabama-lb-rashaan-evans-has-800-designer-shoes-to-wear-with-suit-for-west-virginia-game/

Nick take care of the guys..... $800 shoes.

[puca]

Really? Find out what SEC fan had a problem with Florida State playing for the NC and get back with me

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Even if Auburn has one more loss they ought to get the nod

So it sounds like you would have a slight problem if hypothetically an undefeated Ohio State team got the nod over a once beaten Auburn team to play, lets say, a once beaten Alabama team in the title game. Interesting. Yet you had no problem with an undefeated FSU team (whose SOS was really, really bad) getting the nod over a once beaten Alabama team to play a once beaten Auburn team in the 2013 title game.

I don't even disagree with you that a +1 loss Auburn team would be more deserving than OSU this season based on SOS, I just found the placement of those two replies.....ironic.

[Sea Ray]

So it sounds like you would have a slight problem if hypothetically an undefeated Ohio State team got the nod over a once beaten Auburn team to play, lets say, a once beaten Alabama team in the title game. Interesting. Yet you had no problem with an undefeated FSU team (whose SOS was really, really bad) getting the nod over a once beaten Alabama team to play a once beaten Auburn team in the 2013 title game.

I don't even disagree with you that a +1 loss Auburn team would be more deserving than OSU this season based on SOS, I just found the placement of those two replies.....ironic.

It goes much further than just records and strength of schedule. You gotta see how the team looks on the field and how many close calls they had. FSU looked the part of a national champion last year

You stated that you agreed with me on Auburn/OSU but stopped short of agreeing with me that FSU deserved a spot last yr. If you did then there's not much irony. We agree across the board

[puca]

It goes much further than just records and strength of schedule. You gotta see how the team looks on the field and how many close calls they had. FSU looked the part of a national champion last year

You stated that you agreed with me on Auburn/OSU but stopped short of agreeing with me that FSU deserved a spot last yr. If you did then there's not much irony. We agree across the board

First of all, not disagreeing is not the same as agreeing. It is too early to have an opinion, the games have not been played. What I found ironic is that you left no room in your statement 'Even if Auburn has one more loss they ought to get the nod' for an FSU-like situation.

I wasn't trying to ruffle feathers and I apologize if I have. I've been chastised before for dragging meta-discussions into this thread, so I'm going to check out now.

I agree FSU deserved the spot in the 2013 championship, by the way.

[Sea Ray]

First of all, not disagreeing is not the same as agreeing. It is too early to have an opinion, the games have not been played. What I found ironic is that you left no room in your statement 'Even if Auburn has one more loss they ought to get the nod' for an FSU-like situation.

I wasn't trying to ruffle feathers and I apologize if I have. I've been chastised before for dragging meta-discussions into this thread, so I'm going to check out now.

I agree FSU deserved the spot in the 2013 championship, by the way.

Seriously, no feathers were ruffled. I'm a pretty hard guy to offend. My point is that we really don't disagree on much of anything here. I agree that we have to play the games. All we can do today is view the games as we see them. Of course that view can change in 3 mos. "As of today" 'even if Auburn has one more loss they ought to get the nod.

[jojo]

Usually, this doesn't happen until at least 24 hours of heavy drinking and tailgating but apparently hog fans are starting early this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hGa-g6BZUo&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

That's OK because by Saturday night she'll be singing the Bielema Blues.

Why Bret,,,,,,why? Did you let the eagle fly......fly so high.....it makes me cry,,,,,,i've got the Buh buh buh buh Brett Bielema blues..... Oh what's a Hawg gonna do,,,,,we gave up so many touchdowns and our big fat slow and stupid offensive lineman can't even even bend over and touch their shoes (now there's a real health issue for you)... Oh yeah! Hawg fans got the Buh buh buh buh Brett Bielema blues

[jojo]

Like Saban, Les Miles will not name a starting quarterback yet either.

Saban might be able to get away with it given how soft their September schedule appears on paper though I think WVU can surprise some people and Bama will have it's hands full with UF (but it's in Tuscaloosa). LSU could be in real trouble against Wisconsin.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/lsu-going-with-two-qbs-anthony-jennings-brandon-harris-082514

[jojo]

Word is leaking out of Athens that this might be the least talented Georgia defense since the Ray Goff era..... That's a huge criticism.... The Ole Ball coach used to call Goff, Coach Goof and it was the 52 pts that Spurier hung on the Dawgs in Athens that finally got Gof fired.

Anyway, the word is that there are some serious depth issues. Offenses are going to get there yards tis year. Injuries could make the defense look like something SEC fans simply don't recognize. Might be a rocky season in Georgia.

[RedTeamGo!]

It seems like every year is a rocky season in Georgia. Which is odd because it seems like they always have so much talent.

[jojo]

It seems like every year is a rocky season in Georgia. Which is odd because it seems like they always have so much talent.

Injuries decimated them last year. They are also at a place where South Carolina, Ole Miss, and both schools in Alabama are all "up" and fishing in their waters while Vandy has been competitive on the field. Then a strong entry by Missouri doesn't help lighten their schedule either.

[WVRed]

Like Saban, Les Miles will not name a starting quarterback yet either.

Saban might be able to get away with it given how soft their September schedule appears on paper though I think WVU can surprise some people and Bama will have it's hands full with UF (but it's in Tuscaloosa). LSU could be in real trouble against Wisconsin.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/lsu-going-with-two-qbs-anthony-jennings-brandon-harris-082514

I think it will be a victory if WVU manages to score against Bama. Holgorsen is a good offensive coordinator with other peoples players but not a good recruiter. My guess is Rich Rod or Doc Holliday will be patrolling the sidelines next season in Morgantown.

[Chip R]

My guess is Rich Rod or Doc Holliday will be patrolling the sidelines next season in Morgantown.

They would take Rich Rod back? :confused:

[WVRed]

They would take Rich Rod back? :confused:

Arizona upped his buyout in case WVU ever came calling.

[RedsBaron]

They would take Rich Rod back? :confused:

I have heard that rumor.

[jojo]

Trey Depriest is suspended for the WVU game. This is a fairly big loss for the Bama defense.

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/alabamas-trey-depriest-suspended-season-opener/

[19braves77]

I cant see Alabama winning this game if its a shootout. I also don't see Kiffin be allowed to show the whole playbook if needed.

Alabama victory if its in the 20-13 range, Alabama loss if its a 28-35 type game.

[jojo]

I cant see Alabama winning this game if its a shootout. I also don't see Kiffin be allowed to show the whole playbook if needed.

Alabama victory if its in the 20-13 range, Alabama loss if its a 28-35 type game.

The Tide have much bigger problems at QB than bama fans are willing to contemplate. Neither guy has been good enough to play for the entirety of their careers and now neither could separate themselves fom the other. If you can't beat out Sims, you ain't winning the Heisman. I also don't see Kiffin and Saban as the happily married couple Bama fans claim they will be.

[RedTeamGo!]

Apparently the QB for WVA's first kiss was with Saban's daughter.

[jojo]

Apparently the QB for WVA's first kiss was with Saban's daughter.

To be fair, they were only six and he didn't know that she had cooties.

[RedTeamGo!]

To be fair, they were only six and he didn't know that she had cooties.

I liked how in the article the dude immediately after saying his first kiss was with Saban's daughter said "I probably shouldn't have said that..."

[19braves77]

Texas Am over South Carolina

Ole Miss over Boise St

[jojo]

Texas Am over South Carolina

Ole Miss over Boise St

I think the Ole Ball Coach torches A&M.

Ole Miss is good on paper. I'm not picking them until they are good on the field.

[VottoFan54]

The Tide have much bigger problems at QB than bama fans are willing to contemplate. Neither guy has been good enough to play for the entirety of their careers and now neither could separate themselves fom the other. If you can't beat out Sims, you ain't winning the Heisman. I also don't see Kiffin and Saban as the happily married couple Bama fans claim they will be.

Alabama had AJ McCarron at QB, obviously Sims wasn't going to play over him. Coker barely got beat out for a starting QB spot in fall camp by last years Heisman Trophy winner. I think those two not starting has more to do with who was in front of them.

Your next sentence says that "neither could seperate themselves from the other". This was also the case once McElroy graduated. Phillip Sims and AJ McCarron shared the starting QB spot going into the first game, but we turned out alright (we won the National Championship game that year).

I think Alabama will be fine at starting QB, but that's just a guess. I really don't know how those two will play in game situations and neither do you. I do know that they are both experienced players who are very talented, but also have their fair share of negatives.

[jojo]

Alabama had AJ McCarron at QB, obviously Sims wasn't going to play over him. Coker barely got beat out for a starting QB spot in fall camp by last years Heisman Trophy winner. I think those two not starting has more to do with who was in front of them.

Your next sentence says that "neither could seperate themselves from the other". This was also the case once McElroy graduated. Phillip Sims and AJ McCarron shared the starting QB spot going into the first game, but we turned out alright (we won the National Championship game that year).

I think Alabama will be fine at starting QB, but that's just a guess. I really don't know how those two will play in game situations and neither do you. I do know that they are both experienced players who are very talented, but also have their fair share of negatives.

They are both inexperienced. The last game Coker started was in high school about half a decade ago. He was beat out by a freshman as a 4th year guy and couldn't beat Sims. Bama is gonna be below average at QB. The only watch lists Coker should be on are FBI watch lists meant to investigate the death threats he'll be getting from 85%ers.

[19braves77]

Did the SEC network really think nobody was going to stream it online ? Server crashed 8 minutes into game and those that are getting it are getting glitch city. Epic fail.

[dabvu2498]

Did the SEC network really think nobody was going to stream it online ? Server crashed 8 minutes into game and those that are getting it are getting glitch city. Epic fail.

At least you're not stuck with the wonderful combo of Musberger and Jesse Palmer. :barf:

That said, A+M's offense... :eek:

[jojo]

At least you're not stuck with the wonderful combo of Musberger and Jesse Palmer. :barf:

That said, A+M's offense... :eek:

I'd prefer a live feed of the stadium over those two. Thats their A team too.

[19braves77]

Spurrier could fade away without much fanfare. That kinda lost doesn't go away.

[jojo]

Spurrier could fade away without much fanfare. That kinda lost doesn't go away.

Not having Davis which meant no running game hurt but that was horrible. No pass rush. A secondary that is allergic to WRs. A defense that refuses to tackle.

But USC's QB play was bad too. He just wasn't accurate and left a ton of offense on the field.

A&M looks to have an improved front seven but they aren't going to stop many people and can't cover anybody.

Gus must be giddy watching these defenses and also with Ole Miss sputtering.

[dabvu2498]

44-60 511 yards

Yow

[dabvu2498]

10:50 kickoff... Ughhhhh

I went from a beer to a pot of coffee pronto.

[jojo]

10:50 kickoff... Ughhhhh

I went from a beer to a pot of coffee pronto.

Was there lightning?

[dabvu2498]

Abomination.

[19braves77]

Temple should never ever blow out an SEC team. Derek Mason may bring us the Vandy of old.

[dabvu2498]

Temple should never ever blow out an SEC team. Derek Mason may bring us the Vandy of old.

I'm far more worried about Karl Dorrell.

[Stray]

#KennyFootball

[cumberlandreds]

Did the SEC network really think nobody was going to stream it online ? Server crashed 8 minutes into game and those that are getting it are getting glitch city. Epic fail.

I watched it online and didn't have any problems.

[cumberlandreds]

Temple should never ever blow out an SEC team. Derek Mason may bring us the Vandy of old.

That game showed how much of a difference a good coach makes. Vandy looks to be back in the abyss.

A&M Looked really good. If their defense can be fairly good they will be hard to beat.

[IslandRed]

They are both inexperienced. The last game Coker started was in high school about half a decade ago. He was beat out by a freshman as a 4th year guy and couldn't beat Sims.

Coker was only one year ahead of Winston experience-wise (RS soph vs. RS freshman). And because he couldn't transfer until after spring, he has a true freshman's worth of experience with respect to working with Alabama's offense. I still think he'll win the job before long. On the flip side, there were plenty of people around FSU who suspected the QB race last fall wasn't as close as Fisher was making it sound.

In the bigger picture, there's enough evidence accumulating from the "immediately eligible transferring quarterback" thing to know that Russell Wilson is far more exception than rule.

[19braves77]

We usually scripted eight to 10 plays to start the game," Saban said. "That does not count special situations such as short yardage or third down. So this is just the script we want to run. It's the way we practiced it. The players know what to expect and we've done the same thing this year, but, you know with Lane, he likes to do more plays than that.

"He's got about 15 that he wants to run and I think that's a good thing because it gives you a menu of things that you are presenting to the defense that're different that they have to adjust to so there's more multiples rather than getting into doing the same things from the same formations, which I think at times, has been a little bit of an issue with us."

That led Saban to explain one of the differences in Alabama's offensive scheme under Kiffin. It might not be as apparent to the casual viewer unless you're paying close attention.

"I think the biggest thing that's different in our offense, if we can get it executed by our quarterbacks by recognition, is we have a lot of built in run-pass deals, which aight, I hate negative plays," Saban said. "I hate running bad plays. ... I hate it on offense that we're not smart enough or don't have it planned well enough that when we know something is going give us a bad play and we can't get out of the play for whatever reason or do something to not make it a negative play."

Even on TV Saban sounded like he didn't know what to expect on Saturday from his offense.

[Sea Ray]

I think the Ole Ball Coach torches A&M.



:laugh:

You are like much of the media: you greatly overrate Spurrier

[Sea Ray]

That game showed how much of a difference a good coach makes. Vandy looks to be back in the abyss.

A&M Looked really good. If their defense can be fairly good they will be hard to beat.

Yes, THAT'S the Vandy I know and love!

[jojo]

:laugh:

You are like much of the media: you greatly overrate Spurrier

Spurrier has three straight 11 win seasons at............South Carolina. Anyone who knows anything about college football let alone SEC football would know that is impossible to overrate.

[RiverRat13]

Alabama has been the beneficiary of a few curious calls against WVU.

[jojo]

Alabama has been the beneficiary of a few curious calls against WVU.

Is it an SEC crew?

[WVRed]

WVUs offense was a lot better than I expected. Don't know if it will be enough to keep fans happy, but Trickett was definitely airing it out

[jojo]

Auburn was completely emasculating the Hogs before lightning stopped the game with them minutes left in the 4th quarter.

Hopefully the delay doesn't affect their intensity.

[jojo]

Auburn was completely emasculating the Hogs before lightning stopped the game with them minutes left in the 4th quarter.

Hopefully the delay doesn't affect their intensity.

Total domination. Beilema is going to have to scratch and claw to get off of the SEC snide. Arky's schedule isn't set up well to make the case that his program is taking a step forward.

[Chip R]

Not looking good for the Bayou Bengals tonight against Bucky.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Not looking good for the Bayou Bengals tonight against Bucky.

Except Wisconsin didn't feel like playing after they got up 17. Lost a couple guys on the d line and cannot stop lsu running.

[KronoRed]

Except Wisconsin didn't feel like playing after they got up 17. Lost a couple guys on the d line and cannot stop lsu running.

Their QB also has become a fan of tossing it up for grabs.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Their QB also has become a fan of tossing it up for grabs.

My god. You cannot let him back out there.

[Sea Ray]

Spurrier has three straight 11 win seasons at............South Carolina. Anyone who knows anything about college football let alone SEC football would know that is impossible to overrate.

Somehow you managed just that...

"I think the Ole Ball Coach torches A&M."

[jojo]

Somehow you managed just that...

"I think the Ole Ball Coach torches A&M."

I think you're conflating several issues, none of which help you make your actual point which as original points go was pretty ludicrous.

Spurrier's teams at...............yep........South Carolina have won more games in the last three years than Tennessee has won in the last six. You know the last time Tennesee, one of the more storied programs in NCAA football history won at least 11 games for three seasons in a row? Yep, never.

Point out that I and many who also know a lot about SEC football apparently over estimated the Gamecock's QB play and underestimated how much the losses on their defense would impact them in the early season all you want. But don;t make yourself sound stupid by suggesting that Spurrier isn't rightfully considered one of the greatest coaches in college football history.

[jojo]

Tennessee's performance was very uninspiring. It's gonna be tough for them to get a win in the SEC.

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee's performance was very uninspiring. It's gonna be tough for them to get a win in the SEC.

Uninspiring? What, they should have won by 60? The defense was particularly impressive. They destroyed the Vegas odds and they pulled the starters after going up 31-0. Uninspiring is what you with that other Tenn team vs Temple

Your prediction about them not getting a win in the SEC will be as prophetic as your one about SC smashing Tex AM

[jojo]

Uninspiring? What, they should have won by 60? The defense was particularly impressive. They destroyed the Vegas odds and they pulled the starters after going up 31-0. Uninspiring is what you with that other Tenn team vs Temple

Your prediction about them not getting a win in the SEC will be as prophetic as your one about SC smashing Tex AM

Their offensive line looked god awful. Their defensive line is exploitable and basically bullied a patchwork group of misfits on the USU Oline and a couple of backs that might weigh 180 lbs each after they took the ALS challenge (and USU still rushed for 100 yds). The Vols averaged 2.8 yds/carry.

But since you're an SEC all-encyclopedian, grace me with the fore-knowledge concerning the wins that the Vols will rack up from below:

Oklahoma
Georgia
Florida
Ole Miss
Bama
Scouth Carolina
Kentucky
Mizzou
Vandy

Your best bet for the Vols going bowling will be at the Strike & Spare on North Broadway. Line play does matter, especially in the SEC.

[Sea Ray]

Their offensive line looked god awful. Their defensive line is exploitable and basically bullied a patchwork group of misfits on the USU Oline and a couple of backs that might weigh 180 lbs each after they took the ALS challenge (and USU still rushed for 100 yds). The Vols averaged 2.8 yds/carry.

But since you're an SEC all-encyclopedian, grace me with the fore-knowledge concerning the wins that the Vols will rack up from below:

Oklahoma
Georgia
Florida
Ole Miss
Bama
Scouth Carolina
Kentucky
Mizzou
Vandy

Your best bet for the Vols going bowling will be at the Strike & Spare on North Broadway. Line play does matter, especially in the SEC.

Vandy didn't look like world beaters. I'm glad you're on the record here. We'll re-visit your predictions in December...maybe sooner

[jojo]

Vandy didn't look like world beaters. I'm glad you're on the record here. We'll re-visit your predictions in December...maybe sooner

In other words, you won't go on record but if the vols do something unlikely, you'll act like you knew it would happen all along.

Seriously, where are the wins?

[Todd Gack]

This is SOOOOOOO SEC!

UF unsuspends three players after 1 play Idaho game....
Florida unsuspends players after 1-play Idaho game

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Florida's game against Idaho on Saturday was cancelled after just one play due to inclement weather. Florida also had three players suspended for the Idaho game.

Would a one-play game count for a one-game suspension? Apparently so!

Muschamp says all suspended players back for Eastern Michigan, says Demarcus Robinson's suspension was separate issue from 2013.
— Alligator Army (@AlligatorArmy) September 1, 2014

Make sure to relive the game in our recap, which includes striking photographs of every single play. Don't forget to check out Florida analyst Spencer Hall's in-depth, unit-by-unit review as well. A sampler:

No fumbles, no interceptions, no plays for a loss, and not even a single punt on the night. Jeff Driskel appeared comfortable at the line, leading the offense to their best performance in years.

[Boston Red]

It's gonna be tough for them to get a win in the SEC.

They play Kentucky and Vandy. So I don't really understand this statement.

[jojo]

They play Kentucky and Vandy. So I don't really understand this statement.

If Searay tries to call scoreboard because UT beat Kentucky, then my point is actually made-especially since he's passed on multiple chances to predict it.

[Sea Ray]

In other words, you won't go on record but if the vols do something unlikely, you'll act like you knew it would happen all along.

Seriously, where are the wins?
You're the one who "volunteered" the prediction on their season. It struck me as clueless as the one you made about TeX AM falling to SC so I called you on it. I look forward to you defending it all year long. I'm not sure if you are more clueless about UT or Utah State. I'll be honest with you. I'm typing this in the Salt Lake City airport right now and from what's been written in these papers it was a total domination. No mention of UT struggling to win an SEC game or of their lack of a running game.

[jojo]

You're the one who "volunteered" the prediction on their season. It struck me as clueless as the one you made about TeX AM falling to SC so I called you on it. I look forward to you defending it all year long. I'm not sure if you are more clueless about UT or Utah State. I'll be honest with you. I'm typing this in the Salt Lake City airport right now and from what's been written in these papers it was a total domination. No mention of UT struggling to win an SEC game or of their lack of a running game.

It's only clueless if you have a clue about where the wins are so where are the wins? Or are you clueless despite posturing certainty?

Listen if you're unwilling to play, then quit acting like you're good at the game. Admit it or quit it.

[dabvu2498]

I was wrong about my thought that Vanderbilt would beat Temple.

There. Was that so hard?

[jojo]

I was wrong about my thought that Vanderbilt would beat Temple.

There. Was that so hard?

The country was wrong about that. Weird would be acting like you were right about it.

[19braves77]

I imagine Kiffin's career path will be two years at Alabama as a OC followed by HC stint at a school like UNLV until he proves he can be a arrogant jerk and have success at the same time. If you cant do both at the same time, people aren't going to tolerate you very long.

[jojo]

I imagine Kiffin's career path will be two years at Alabama as a OC followed by HC stint at a school like UNLV until he proves he can be a arrogant jerk and have success at the same time. If you cant do both at the same time, people aren't going to tolerate you very long.

I thought it was ironic that Bama had to go HUNH to jump start their offense. I hope the mountaineers didnt suffer any injuries as a result.

[RedTeamGo!]

How did Marquez North play?

[jojo]

How did Marquez North play?

4 catches, 38 yards.

[Sea Ray]

It's only clueless if you have a clue about where the wins are so where are the wins? Or are you clueless despite posturing certainty?

Listen if you're unwilling to play, then quit acting like you're good at the game. Admit it or quit it.

No sense in arguing about them now. I'm not in the Miss Cleo field. Apparently you are. We'll see if you were right or if you underestimated the Vols in a few months. I think you're underestimating them. We'll revisit your comments indeed

[Sea Ray]

ESPN had high praise for Utah St coming into their game with Tenn:


Utah State is one of five potential college football playoff spoilers from non-Power Five conferences, writes ESPN.com.

Though the Aggies do have to replace four starting offensive linemen, dynamic quarterback Chuckie Keeton is fully-recovered from a knee injury and is the X-factor here. ESPN even says he could be a darkhorse for the Heisman Trophy.

Utah State also returns a stout defense, which could be among the best in the Mountain West Conference in 2014.

The Aggies will be challenged right away- they open the season Aug. 31 at Tennessee. The Vols are young and inexperienced, so catching them this early provides more of an opportunity for Utah State to spring the upset- a must if they are going to get into contention for the College Football Playoff. http://247sports.com/Bolt/ESPN-Utah-State-a-playoff-spoiler-30339123

A Heisman contender as well as a contender to make the coveted four in college football's playoff system is as high as the praise gets for a school like Utah St.

[jojo]

No sense in arguing about them now. I'm not in the Miss Cleo field. Apparently you are. We'll see if you were right or if you underestimated the Vols in a few months. I think you're underestimating them. We'll revisit your comments indeed

Youre apparently in the hindsight is 20/20 field which is weak sauce given you're admitting you don't have any opinions worth revisiting.

[Sea Ray]

Youre apparently in the hindsight is 20/20 field which is weak sauce given you're admitting you don't have any opinions worth revisiting.

My opinion is that you're dead wrong about the 2014 Vols. They will not go winless in the SEC

[jojo]

ESPN had high praise for Utah St coming into their game with Tenn:

http://247sports.com/Bolt/ESPN-Utah-State-a-playoff-spoiler-30339123

A Heisman contender as well as a contender to make the coveted four in college football's playoff system is as high as the praise gets for a school like Utah St.

Chuckie Keeton, a QB from the MWC is a Heisman contender and USU, a MWC team that has to replace it's entire offensive line with essentially unknown quantities is a college football playoff contender? Check. Since you posted this as evidence for your argument, can we revisit your assertion that Utah State has legit playoff chances and Chuckie is a Heisman contender?

[Sea Ray]

Chuckie Keeton, a QB from the MWC is a Heisman contender and USU, a MWC team that has to replace it's entire offensive line with essentially unknown quantities is a college football playoff contender? Check. Since you posted this as evidence for your argument, can we revisit your assertion that Utah State has legit playoff chances and Chuckie is a Heisman contender?

It's not my assertion. It's ESPN's. Nice try though. I can see you're already worried about your UT predictions. This is going to be fun!

[jojo]

My opinion is that you're dead wrong about the 2014 Vols. They will not go winless in the SEC

I've stated that their ((The Vols) best chance of going bowling would be to actually go to a bowling alley and it will tough for them to get an SEC win (i.e. it's a possibility that they could go winless in conference). You've posted a strongly worded declarative that such a thing isn't even a possibility, in fact, in your opinion, it's just dead wrong. Why do you make such a strongly worded declarative? You surely must have some reason for such a strong opinion. Who will they beat? You've said it's an impossibility for the Vols to go winless in conference. Which game/games makes going winless an impossibility?

The Vols have three games that every SEC team should be able to count as a victory simply because of the advantages a typical SEC team enjoys- USU, ASU, UTC. Where are the other 3 wins coming from?

Jeeps, it couldn't be a more straightforward question or a more logical one to ask given the declarative nature of your position. Will you share with us your reasons? Please?

[jojo]

It's not my assertion. It's ESPN's. Nice try though. I can see you're already worried about your UT predictions. This is going to be fun!

So in your argument that the Vols were impressive because they beat a USU team that was considered a high quality opponent, you posted a link to an assertion that you don't actually believe or are unwilling to own.

Ya, nice try.

A little intellectual honesty would actually go a long way. But lets not put the cart before the horse. Before I can worry about whether you're right or not, you actually have to be willing express an opinion that you'll actually claim as your own.

[Sea Ray]

I've stated that their ((The Vols) best chance of going bowling would be to actually go to a bowling alley and it will tough for them to get an SEC win (i.e. it's a possibility that they could go winless in conference). You've posted a strongly worded declarative that such a thing isn't even a possibility, in fact, in your opinion, it's just dead wrong. Why do you make such a strongly worded declarative? You surely must have some reason for such a strong opinion. Who will they beat? You've said it's an impossibility for the Vols to go winless in conference. Which game/games makes going winless an impossibility?

The Vols have three games that every SEC team should be able to count as a victory simply because of the advantages a typical SEC team enjoys- USU, ASU, UTC. Where are the other 3 wins coming from?

Jeeps, it couldn't be a more straightforward question or a more logical one to ask given the declarative nature of your position. Will you share with us your reasons? Please?

Now you're just making up stuff. I never said anything was an impossibility. Like I said earlier, I'm not arguing with you, as much as you try. We'll let the season speak for itself. For the final time: I think you're underestimating the 2014 Vols. Now go bark at the moon...

[Sea Ray]

So in your argument that the Vols were impressive because they beat a USU team that was considered a high quality opponent, you posted a link to an assertion that you don't actually believe or are unwilling to own.

Ya, nice try.

A little intellectual honesty would actually go a long way. But lets not put the cart before the horse. Before I can worry about whether you're right or not, you actually have to be willing express an opinion that you'll actually claim as your own.

I posted the article on USU to show what national publications were writing about them. I'd never heard of a single player on their team prior to last week. I doubt you had either.

[jojo]

Now you're just making up stuff. I never said anything was an impossibility.


Tennessee's performance was very uninspiring. It's gonna be tough for them to get a win in the SEC.


My opinion is that you're dead wrong about the 2014 Vols. They will not go winless in the SEC

So if one is dead wrong that it will be tough for a team to get a conference win, it's absolutely possible that they wont get a conference win?

Check. I'm dead wrong that it's possible that the Vols won't win a conference game but you agree it's possible that the Vols won't win a conference game and we'll revisit how wrong I am about the assertion you agree with at some later point in time.

[Sea Ray]

Ole Miss is good on paper. I'm not picking them until they are good on the field.

Are they good on the field yet?

[jojo]

Are they good on the field yet?

Because they beat a MWC team? Uhhh. No. Now if they somehow manage an upset against a vaunted team like the Vols, maybe they will force a reevaluation.

But no, Ole Miss aint a true contender in the west until they do something on the field to demonstrate it.

[Sea Ray]

Because they beat a MWC team? Uhhh. No. Now if they somehow manage an upset against a vaunted team like the Vols, maybe they will force a reevaluation.

But no, Ole Miss aint a true contender in the west until they do something on the field to demonstrate it.

We've stumbled upon some agreement here

[jojo]

We've stumbled upon some agreement here

We've stumbled upon your inability to understand sarcasm.

[Boston Red]

Because they beat a MWC team? Uhhh. No.

I don't get this. Who cares if Boise is a MWC team? There have been a number of great MWC teams in relatively recent years (from Boise, Utah and TCU). What is relevant is that the era of Boise appears to be completely over. They're just not very good at football anymore no matter what conference they play in.

[jojo]

I don't get this. Who cares if Boise is a MWC team? There have been a number of great MWC teams in relatively recent years (from Boise, Utah and TCU). What is relevant is that the era of Boise appears to be completely over. They're just not very good at football anymore no matter what conference they play in.

That was my point. Boise is just another MWC team. They aren't a great team and we shouldnt be acting like beating them carries some type of cache.

[Boston Red]

That was my point. Boise is just another MWC team. They aren't a great team and we shouldnt be acting like beating them carries some type of cache.

No, it doesn't. They now suck.

[jojo]

The SEC network giveth (like in week 1) and it taketh away (like this week):

Eastern Michigan +37.5
Ohio +13
Toledo +4.5
East Carolina +16.5
Arkansas State +16
Ole Miss
Florida Atlantic +40
Nichols State --
San Jose State +31
Sam Houston St --
UAB +27.5
Vanderbilt
Lamar --

[KronoRed]

EMU would have to score negative points for that spread.

[RedTeamGo!]

Goooooo Rrrrrrrrockets!

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[Boston Red]

Kentucky/Ohio might be interesting. At least we'll find out whether or not Kentucky has made it past the point of having interesting games with teams like Ohio. Solich has obviously done a bang up job in Athens.

[jojo]

EMU would have to score negative points for that spread.

Sounds like you're a betting man.

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Goooooo Rrrrrrrrockets!

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The Toledo PowerRangers?

[RedTeamGo!]

Sounds like you're a betting man.

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The Toledo PowerRangers?

That is correct.

Actually:


Nickname Origin

When the University of Toledo played then-powerful Carnegie Tech in football in 1923, Pittsburgh sports writers were surprised to learn that UT did not have a nickname.

Though an underdog, Toledo fought formidably, recovering a series of embarrassing fumbles by favored Tech. Pittsburgh writers pressed James Neal, a UT student working in the press box, to come up with a nickname.

Despite UT's 32-12 loss, the student labeled the team "Skyrockets," obviously impressed by his alma mater's flashy performance against a superior team. The sportswriters shortened the name to "Rockets," which has been used since.

Many suggestions for UT's nickname have been considered through the years, including a Spanish theme of Toreadors or Bulls, in honor of Toledo's sister relationship with the city's namesake in Spain. Others included Commodores, Turtles, Bancroft Highwaymen and Jeeps.

The nameless team was referred to as the Blue and Gold, Munies (for municipal university) and Dwyer's Boys (after head football coach James Dwyer) in sports stories prior to 1923.

In 1961, the University of Toledo procured a genuine rocket from the U.S. Army missile program. The one-ton rocket, which sits outside the Glass Bowl, carries two sets of fins and a propellant booster capable of guiding the missile to supersonic velocity. It was donated, in part, because of the university's affiliation with the Ordnance Corps of the U.S. Department of Army.

[dabvu2498]

www.firederekmason.com is now occupied.

[jojo]

www.firederekmason.com is now occupied.

I think it's less scheme than it is a tangible dip in talent. But Mason has looked a little small for the job too. Franklin seemed to know when to get out of town.

Mason is a good human.

[dabvu2498]

7876

We can all have fun captioning this one.

[jojo]

7876

We can all have fun captioning this one.

I love you more! No, I love you more!

[Sea Ray]

I think it's less scheme than it is a tangible dip in talent. But Mason has looked a little small for the job too. Franklin seemed to know when to get out of town.

Mason is a good human.

After what I've seen from Vanderbilt, I'm just not seein' that UT-Knoxville will struggle to win an SEC game this year...

Speaking of poor offensive lines, OK, UT's needs some work but how'd you describe what Urban Meyer is putting out there in front of his QB? UT's looks like NFL caliber compared to what I saw in Columbus yesterday

[wolfboy]

I love you more! No, I love you more!

Oh Lyle.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Kentucky looks vastly improved so far, but we'll have a better gauge of the Wildcats after this weekend's game at Florida. Not sure UK win down there, but if they can make it a competitive game, could be another good sign.

[jojo]

I dont like Finebaum but I got to admit that it is hilarious how he is poking at delusional Volunteer fans. He has got such an easy job.

[RedTeamGo!]

I dont like Finebaum but I got to admit that it is hilarious how he is poking at delusional Volunteer fans. He has got such an easy job.

Trolling southerners is indeed very easy

[dabvu2498]

Trolling southerners is indeed very easy

Exhibit A

[19braves77]

would love to see Spurrier pull off the upset over Georgia. People have been penciling in Georgia for the playoffs and have hyped them way up. This could be the once a year choke job by Georgia.

Most interesting game to me is the South Alabama vs Mississippi State. This is the type of game South needs to win to keep the Mississippi 2 star prospect pipe line going..... Otherwise they will probably jump back to Southern Mississippi.

[jojo]

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[RedTeamGo!]

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The big 10 may suck at football, but at least it still is much better academically than the SEC. That isn't saying much though.

[dabvu2498]

7891

The big 10 may suck at football, but at least it still is much better academically than the SEC. That isn't saying much though.

Exhibit B

(Of course, degrees are just paper anyway.)

[RedTeamGo!]

Exhibit B

(Of course, degrees are just paper anyway.)

You mean in the post where I say the big ten sucks at football?

Leave comments from the political thread where they belong. If you want to respond to my opinion from the thread you are referencing do so there.

Also, exhibit a was bs. I was simply saying Paul Feinstein is a troll and the market he trolls is made up of people that are easy to troll. As someone that lived in both the north and south in my experience southerners are trolled much more easily than northerners. Northerners just tend to tell a troll they are full of it and move on.

[dabvu2498]

Leave comments from the political thread where they belong. If you want to respond to my opinion from the thread you are referencing do so there.

Also, exhibit a was bs. I was simply saying Paul Feinstein is a troll and the market he trolls is made up of people that are easy to troll. As someone that lived in both the north and south in my experience southerners are trolled much more easily than northerners. Northerners just tend to tell a troll they are full of it and move on.

It's an incongruous opinion. That or you're just trolling.

[WVRed]

I don't know if Kentucky is that good or Florida is that bad.

[KronoRed]

I don't know if Kentucky is that good or Florida is that bad.
I guess we'll see at the end of the year..but I think both will be in the running for the Belk bowl.

[jojo]

I don't know if Kentucky is that good or Florida is that bad.

Likely the outcome wasn't what was hoped, but I bet both fan bases are happy enough with it given recent history.

It's Vol and Dawg fans that I worry about. Vol fans are likely just dealing with a headache from their drunken delusions and probably feel embarrassed about talking national championship hoping none of their friends recorded it and uploads it to Facebook. Dawg fans were convinced this is their year. I worry about them and think some intense therapy might be needed after yesterday.

[19braves77]

I personally would like see Kiffin and Saban name Sims the full time starter until he has a complete meltdown.

Guess for Bama vs Gators game: Bama 31 Florida 20

[jojo]

I personally would like see Kiffin and Saban name Sims the full time starter until he has a complete meltdown.

Guess for Bama vs Gators game: Bama 31 Florida 20

Neither QB is good.

[jojo]

The SEC West is as good as the SEC always tells you it is

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/9/15/6151539/sec-west-best-division-alabama-auburn-arkansas-texas-am-lsu


The rest of the world has a chance to dent the SEC west this Thursday night as Auburn goes into Manhattan, Kansas to play a road game in what many consider one of the toughest venues in the Big 12. Bill Snyder is as good as any college head coach and while I don't think his squad has as much talent man for man as Auburn's, his teams are always extremely well coached. His defenses don't really rely upon fancy pants schemes but rather are very technically sound, always seem to line up correctly and fill the correct gaps. Offenses have to earn what they get as a general rule and the Wildcat defense isn't prone to giving up lots of big plays. If he could run his QB behind a lead blocker every play on offense, he would. This year he has a prototype quarterback for his offensive style and one really good , perhaps elite wide out.

This is a game that Auburn could lose. But it's also a game that Auburn has to win if they are as good as many, including myself, believe them to be.

In any event it should be a fun one as the KSU defensive philosophy basically sets this up to be a mano to mano battle between the Auburn offense and the Kstate defense as the two teams will simply line up and go after each other strength against strength. And anyone who still want's to spout the cliche that HUNH spread offenses are soft and wilt against physical defenses better be prepared to see a HUNH offense designed to bludgeon and emasculate an opponent.

Both offenses will tend to run a lot of zone read but KState will run 90% of it's offense through Walker and his carries will be behind a lead blocker. Auburn's zone read is a completely different beast and it will drop a nuclear bomb on a defensive's weak link from anywhere on the field regardless of down and distance.

Also going the other way, Auburn's defensive tackles are a true strength while their linebackers and secondary are much, much better than the national pundits have realized. This is a defense that held Wisconsin to 2 yards on the ground in the second half and is getting more effective pressure against the QB with each passing week. Also their secondary is very, very good in run support. We'll see if the Wildcat offense can run effectively as they have a big challenge ahead concerning controlling the line especially given Auburn can regularly rotate 3 deep across it's D-line.

I tend to think that Kstate may struggle defending the speed of basically every one of the skill players on Auburn's offense and the Kstate defense may not have enough weapons to consistently expose Auburn's defense.

It should be a great game but Auburn may own the fourth quarter. This is an offense that found its stride in the second half of the LSU game last year and hasn't been stopped since despite playing against some of the best defenses in the country.

Obviously, I'm confident that Auburn can pass the test, but this will be the toughest test yet for both teams (both are at full strength too I believe) and we'll know a lot more about each team after Thursday night.

[19braves77]

I predict a shootout in the Auburn vs Kansas State game: 42 to 38 Kansas State

[Sea Ray]

I predict a shootout in the Auburn vs Kansas State game: 42 to 38 Kansas State

My guess is the SEC will once again shine. Auburn will win a tough road game.

[jojo]

I predict a shootout in the Auburn vs Kansas State game: 42 to 38 Kansas State

I think it's going to be a great game. SEC or Auburn haters should watch because it's a road game for them in a great, hostile Big 12 venue against a very well coached top 20 out of conference opponent. Auburn could lose this game. The buzz in Manhattan for this game is pretty intense so it really ought to be a great college game that tweaks all of the things we as college football fans especially love about college football.

[RedTeamGo!]

I think it's going to be a great game. SEC or Auburn haters should watch because it's a road game for them in a great, hostile Big 12 venue against a very well coached top 20 out of conference opponent. Auburn could lose this game. The buzz in Manhattan for this game is pretty intense so it really ought to be a great college game that tweaks all of the things we as college football fans especially love about college football.

Wow. This is so over-dramatic. I like it.

[Boston Red]

Half day of work here in Kansas. Everyone is leaving to drive to Manhattan at lunchtime. Should be fun.

[jojo]

Wow. This is so over-dramatic. I like it.

I'm excited. I know my KState buddies are excited. They're treating this like a playoff game in Manhattan. The atmosphere will be really really good. The game itself should be very exciting too and it has alot of good storylines. Plus I think the KState and Auburn fanbases interact really well, the two schools do really. Jay Jacobs basically bent over backwards making concessions when scheduling this game. I think it's just two teams excited to play a quality opponent they rarely get to play and two fanbases excited to watch a game that has popped from their schedules and has been anticipated for over a year. But ya, I'm a bigtime fan of college football and my team is playing tonight.

[RedTeamGo!]

Are you going to the game? That sounds like a really fun time.

[jojo]

Are you going to the game? That sounds like a really fun time.

I have to watch this one from home as my calendar wouldn't allow travel to Manhattan. Maybe Whitehead and I will watch it together.... :p

[WVRed]

Auburns MVP Tonight: K States kicker.

[Chip R]

Auburns MVP Tonight: K States kicker.

Bama's kicker feels his pain. :)

[jojo]

Auburns MVP Tonight: K States kicker.

I'd give it to Auburn's defense. Held the Wildcats to 1.3 yds/carry (30 carries for 40 yards), and were just ferociously effective tackling in space. I can't remember a single missed tackle in space. Take away Snyder's run game and make his designed plays in space short gainers, you beat him.

The KSU kicker obviously had a bad night but if Coates/Duke aren't "dropplegangers", Auburn wins by 21. Nick Marshall's arm beat KSU's defense.

Anyway, Auburn beat a tough top twenty out-of-conference opponent on the road despite getting less than 130 yds on the ground. I'm happy as a hippy with a hula hoop.

WAR EAGLE!

[jojo]

Bama's kicker feels his pain. :)

Roll Snyde bites them in the backside!

[Sea Ray]

It wasn't just K-State's kicker. Basically they chocked when the lights were on. The SEC is accustomed to such big games whereas K-State wilted under the spotlight. Not only is Auburn used to such games, in looking at their schedule, they'll be playing such games for most of the season. This is an intangible that goes beyond the rosters. It is the result of a decade of dominance for a conference

[jojo]

It wasn't just K-State's kicker. Basically they chocked when the lights were on. The SEC is accustomed to such big games whereas K-State wilted under the spotlight. Not only is Auburn used to such games, in looking at their schedule, they'll be playing such games for most of the season. This is an intangible that goes beyond the rosters. It is the result of a decade of dominance for a conference

I don't think that's the narrative from last night at all. Auburn didn't win because of the "SEC". Auburn won because in 2014, Auburn has more talent than KSU does. Not a big shocker-Auburn is a playoff contender and KSU came in ranked 18th. Neither team executed perfectly in the first half. I'm sure KSU would love to have a do over. They could've won last night. It's just that both teams made some pretty high profile mistakes and Auburn made a few more plays than the Wildcats did.

That said, KSU's defense came to play. While some can focus on the dropped passes, Auburn looked slow all night and rarely was there a skill player in open space. That has alot to do with KSU's defense. I was totally impressed with how they handled "the big moment".

Basically it comes down to this. Bill Snyder is a helluva coach-a hall of famer. His team played very well I thought. Auburn just played a little better. KSU didn't choke. They missed a couple of feild goals and almost beat a team that I think is much better than they are.

[Sea Ray]

You really think K-State lacks the talent to execute short FGs? I don't know much about their kicker but I find that hard to believe. They had the talent to get into FG range numerous times. I don't think their receiver lacks the talent to catch a perfectly thrown ball into the end zone either

[jojo]

You really think K-State lacks the talent to execute short FGs? I don't know much about their kicker but I find that hard to believe. They had the talent to get into FG range numerous times. I don't think their receiver lacks the talent to catch a perfectly thrown ball into the end zone either

I think you're having trouble with reading comprehension and I think it's a silly narrative to suggest the Big 12 isn't ready for the "big stage". Did KSU choke because they didn't make a few plays that you'd expect them to or did Auburn choke because they also didn't make some big plays that they shouldve made too?

The whole SEC narrative is tiring. The SEC is loaded with very good teams and I think right now rightfully is thought highly of in the polls. But that doesn't mean SEC teams shoot lightning out of their backsides.

Besides, the whole SEC mystique didn't seem to help the Vols in their marquee Big 12 showdown.

KSU was an under dog going in and they beat the point spread while being the first team in a year to cause Auburn's offense problems. I have a hard time calling the effort I saw last night an example of choking.

[RedTeamGo!]

KSU coach Bill Snyder claims Auburn was stealing signals.


Kansas State switched up its offensive signals Thursday night because coach Bill Snyder believed Auburn was stealing signs.

"They're getting our signals," Snyder told ESPN sideline reporter Samantha Ponder, adding that the Wildcats changed up some of their signals during halftime.

Auburn coach Gus Malzahn denied any first-half advantage after the game, which the Tigers won 20-14.

"No, no," he said when asked if Auburn knew the signals.

Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher made the same claims against Auburn after January's BCS National Championship Game win, as the Seminoles reportedly used towels to block some of their signals.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11551618/kansas-state-wildcats-coach-bill-snyder-accuses-auburn-tigers-signal-stealing

[jojo]

KSU coach Bill Snyder claims Auburn was stealing signals.



http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11551618/kansas-state-wildcats-coach-bill-snyder-accuses-auburn-tigers-signal-stealing

Snyder's comment would have more credibility if his offense would've performed dramatically different in the second half. Jimbo on the other hand is just a narcissist.

[IslandRed]

It's not exactly a secret that it happened in the MNC game -- the players picked up on it more quickly than the coaches -- but it was FSU's own fault, as far as I'm concerned. There were no subterfuge involved, no stolen playbooks or electronic hacking or hidden cameras. Signals given out in the open are fair game, no different from picking up a pattern in a QB's audibles.

[Sea Ray]

I think you're having trouble with reading comprehension and I think it's a silly narrative to suggest the Big 12 isn't ready for the "big stage". Did KSU choke because they didn't make a few plays that you'd expect them to or did Auburn choke because they also didn't make some big plays that they shouldve made too?

The whole SEC narrative is tiring. The SEC is loaded with very good teams and I think right now rightfully is thought highly of in the polls. But that doesn't mean SEC teams shoot lightning out of their backsides.

Besides, the whole SEC mystique didn't seem to help the Vols in their marquee Big 12 showdown.

KSU was an under dog going in and they beat the point spread while being the first team in a year to cause Auburn's offense problems. I have a hard time calling the effort I saw last night an example of choking.

So we disagree. Why must you make it personal by talking about reading comprehension skills?

Unless you think that K-State's kicker sucks then it's not a talent issue. If you do think Auburn trumps K-State in the kicking dept then we just disagree. K-State errors were choke related plain and simple

[jojo]

So we disagree. Why must you make it personal by talking about reading comprehension skills?

Unless you think that K-State's kicker sucks then it's not a talent issue. If you do think Auburn trumps K-State in the kicking dept then we just disagree. K-State errors were choke related plain and simple

The notion that he missed field goals because of the SEC is silly. The guy's carreer long is 45 and he missed two from about 40 in windy Kansas. The third was impacted by a bad hold. You know, it's not like KSU has never played a big game before.

Keeps, if one is going to be a meme, at least be a good one.

[Hoosier Red]

7-0 IU over MIZ ZOU in the first quarter. Time to pull a Corso and get a team picture under the scoreboard.
Update: So much for that. 6 plays- 90 yards. But really 83 yards in 2 plays. Flibbertyjibbet.

[jojo]

I'm watching UF and Bama. According to the standard espoused by some, both are choking under the pressure of playing a team from the SEC.

[Sea Ray]

The notion that he missed field goals because of the SEC is silly. The guy's carreer long is 45 and he missed two from about 40 in windy Kansas. The third was impacted by a bad hold. You know, it's not like KSU has never played a big game before.

Keeps, if one is going to be a meme, at least be a good one.

Because it was the SEC? Yeah, that'd be silly. If they were playing Vanderbilt on Jefferson Pilot, the pressure would not have been nearly what it was on ESPN Thursday Night. Whoever told you that the pressure came from their opponent's conference is misguided. Pressure came from playing a top 5 team on national tv

[Sea Ray]

I think you're having trouble with reading comprehension ...

Work on your own reading comprehension Pal. This is what I said:


The SEC is accustomed to such big games whereas K-State wilted under the spotlight.

It was "the spotlight" not the opponent's conference that caused K-State's choking. Anyone who'd say this:


The notion that he missed field goals because of the SEC is silly.

has reading comprehension skills.

I understand you disagree and you'll chime in likewise. Of course you are a self-made man who worships his creator

[jojo]

Of course you are a self-made man who worships his creator

No. I'm rubber and you're glue. Oh, and your SEC meme is silly.

[Hoosier Red]

I interrupt this Sea Ray-JoJo argument to troll SEC fans for allowing MIZ ZOU into your conference.

IU 31 SEC 27.

[jojo]

I interrupt this Sea Ray-JoJo argument to troll SEC fans for allowing MIZ ZOU into your conference.

IU 31 SEC 27.

That result is physically impossible.

[jojo]

If Clemson was in the SEC, they would've won last night.

[Sea Ray]

I interrupt this Sea Ray-JoJo argument to troll SEC fans for allowing MIZ ZOU into your conference.

IU 31 SEC 27.

That is incredible. Kudos to IU. I don't think any of us saw that coming. As a Tennessee fan who sees Mizzou on our schedule, I like it...

[Revering4Blue]

Other than Robert Smith, did anyone else see the Mississippi State upset at LSU coming?

[jojo]

Other than Robert Smith, did anyone else see the Mississippi State upset at LSU coming?

It's past time for Dillion Day to be suspended for multiple games. This guy actually doesn't deserve to play college football IMHO given his already documented history.

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/mississippi-state-football/video-dillon-day-stomps-lsu-players/

[jojo]

The Ole Ball Coach shares his thoughts on the Gamecocks performance against Vandy yesterday....

http://cdn.sportstalksc.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/steve-spurrier-9-20.mp3

[jojo]

They claim that Auburn is only relevant because of them. They claim Auburn fans are fixated on their team. They claim Auburn has little brother syndrome...

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/9/18/6429167/alabama-fan-roll-snyd-shirt

Auburn fans mostly just hope that people don't judge the fine state of Alabama based upon interactions with them.....

[dabvu2498]

The SEC East confuses me. It's like, it's supposed to be good and sometimes it is... And other times, it's like the Sun Belt.

I do love Spurrier though. It must be nice just to totally lose your filter.

[Hoosier Red]

The SEC East confuses me. It's like, it's supposed to be good and sometimes it is... And other times, it's like the Sun Belt.

I do love Spurrier though. It must be nice just to totally lose your filter.

Lose it? That would indicate he ever had it.

[KronoRed]

Lose it? That would indicate he ever had it.

He did, I think about 1999 is where he lost it.

[jojo]

Tennessee kicks Paulk off of team for domestic violence issues.

http://www.wate.com/story/26595430/tennessee-dismisses-running-back-paulk-from-team

[Boston Red]

Listening to part of the Auburn/K-State radio broadcast on Thursday, I heard the following line, which is a line that could ONLY be uttered on the K-State radio network: "Stay at the Hilton Garden Inn, Manhattan's finest hotel".

[dabvu2498]

Listening to part of the Auburn/K-State radio broadcast on Thursday, I heard the following line, which is a line that could ONLY be uttered on the K-State radio network: "Stay at the Hilton Garden Inn, Manhattan's finest hotel".

Lots of places in the SEC where a Hilton Garden Inn would be a tremendous upgrade.

[Boston Red]

Lots of places in the SEC where a Hilton Garden Inn would be a tremendous upgrade.

None of those places in the SEC are in cities named Manhattan, though.

[dabvu2498]

None of those places in the SEC are in cities named Manhattan, though.

Ah. Gotcha. Sounds kinda funny when you throw Athens in there, though.

[Boston Red]

Had not considered Athens. Good call. Kentucky could do something similar with nearby Versailles...if only they did not pronounce it Ver-sales. :)

[improbus]

Had not considered Athens. Good call. Kentucky could do something similar with nearby Versailles...if only they did not pronounce it Ver-sales. :)
Oxford?

[jojo]

Oxford?

Has anyone ever been in Starkville?

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee kicks Paulk off of team for domestic violence issues.

http://www.wate.com/story/26595430/tennessee-dismisses-running-back-paulk-from-team

That was an easy call. If it were Hurd, it'd be different.

Vols start off SEC play with a bang this weekend...playing arguably the best team in the SEC East at their home. I doubt Tenn is ready for such a game but we'll see where they stand. There'll be a lot of pressure on their defense. I do expect them to win some SEC games but this isn't one of them

[jojo]

That was an easy call. If it were Hurd, it'd be different.

Seriously?

Dude. And I'll leave it at that.

[Sea Ray]

Seriously?

Dude. And I'll leave it at that.

Yeah seriously. Auburn is no different. If this happened to Nick Marshall they'd hem and haw about waiting for the judicial system to run its course but not so with a 3 star recruit who hasn't played a down yet

[Hoosier Red]

It just makes me sad to think that 3 star recruits are the low hanging fruit that gets cut for you SEC boys. Head north boys, there's playing time a plenty in Indiana.

[Sea Ray]

It just makes me sad to think that 3 star recruits are the low hanging fruit that gets cut for you SEC boys. Head north boys, there's playing time a plenty in Indiana.

Indiana wants our 3 star recruits who beat up their girlfriends?

[Hoosier Red]

No, no just the 3 star recruits who aren't good enough to displace the 4 and 5 star recruits. That log jam wouldn't be a problem at IU.

[jojo]

Yeah seriously. Auburn is no different. If this happened to Nick Marshall they'd hem and haw about waiting for the judicial system to run its course but not so with a 3 star recruit who hasn't played a down yet

Auburn faced their toughest game of the season thus far last week and suspended their best and most experienced safety (potential nfl draft pick) because he was insubordinant with an assisitant.

Nick Marshall sat a half in their season opener against an SEC opponent because he got a traffic citation for some pot.

I think you're both way too cynical and way too myoptic about the culture of football.

[Sea Ray]

Auburn faced their toughest game of the season thus far last week and suspended their best and most experienced safety (potential nfl draft pick) because he was insubordinant with an assisitant.

Nick Marshall sat a half in their season opener against an SEC opponent because he got a traffic citation for some pot.

I think you're both way too cynical and way too myoptic about the culture of football.

Yeah, maybe I am too cynical. Maybe Tennessee would have handled this the same regardless of who it was. Regardless, they handled this one correctly. I probably shouldn't speculate on hypotheticals.

Thanks for setting me straight...:)

[RedTeamGo!]

A whole half of a game? Wow, that is quite the punishment.

[dabvu2498]

No, no just the 3 star recruits who aren't good enough to displace the 4 and 5 star recruits. That log jam wouldn't be a problem at IU.

You can have Brian Kimbrow, too.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2014/09/22/vandy-rb-kimbrow-suspended-indefinitely/16071725/

[jojo]

A whole half of a game? Wow, that is quite the punishment.

He is also a heisman trophy candidate that was not allowed to participate in SEC media days (a significant punishment from a PR and prestige standpoint) and he endured a litany of restitution during fall practice (things you most likely would not have been able/willing to perform). When Johnson was getting Marshall's snaps and airing out balls to Coates and Duke during practice, Marshall was getting high on lactic acid buildup. So ya, WOW relative to the actual transgression.

[jojo]

You can have Brian Kimbrow, too.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2014/09/22/vandy-rb-kimbrow-suspended-indefinitely/16071725/

Charlie Strong is will to entertain offers for the entire Longhorn roster at this point. He's sent 9 guys packing so far I believe.

[RedTeamGo!]

He is also a heisman trophy candidate that was not allowed to participate in SEC media days (a significant punishment from a PR and prestige standpoint) and he endured a litany of restitution during fall practice (things you most likely would not have been able/willing to perform). When Johnson was getting Marshall's snaps and airing out balls to Coates and Duke during practice, Marshall was getting high on lactic acid buildup. So ya, WOW relative to the actual transgression.

We already went back and forth on this, but getting pulled over with a quarter of pot is normally a pretty big warning sign for a college athlete, especially for someone with the shady past of Marshall (getting kicked off Georgia for theft).

[jojo]

We already went back and forth on this, but getting pulled over with a quarter of pot is normally a pretty big warning sign for a college athlete, especially for someone with the shady past of Marshall (getting kicked off Georgia for theft).

Since we've already went back and forth over this then you'll also concede it was such a big deal that he essentially got a glorified traffic ticket. Also, Marshall didn't actually steal anything. He was kicked off of the team for not revealing the identity of the guy who did actually steal from his teammate.

[RedTeamGo!]

Since we've already went back and forth over this then you'll also concede it was such a big deal that he essentially got a glorified traffic ticket. Also, Marshall didn't actually steal anything. He was kicked off of the team for not revealing the identity of the guy who did actually steal from his teammate.

Knowingly helping theft = theft

It was a traffic ticket, but he had a quarter of pot on him and I am sure he was smoking it.

[jojo]

Knowingly helping theft = theft

It was a traffic ticket, but he had a quarter of pot on him and I am sure he was smoking it.

I think most people would draw a distinction between physically stealing something and not ratting out someone. But who cares? He paid a tremendous price.

It's pretty interesting to see a Buckeye fan become pendantic about player discipline given recent history in Ohio and the related legacy of their current coach when he was at U of F (both things that seem so easily dismissed in other threads). It's kinda of silly to paint Marshall as a criminal mastermind. He didn't volunteer information in one instance and he received a citation in another. Just how long should he have sat?

[RedTeamGo!]

I think most people would draw a distinction between physically stealing something and not ratting out someone. But who cares? He paid a tremendous price.

It's pretty interesting to see a Buckeye fan become pendantic about player discipline given recent history in Ohio and the related legacy of their current coach when he was at U of F (both things that seem so easily dismissed in other threads). It's kinda of silly to paint Marshall as a criminal mastermind. He didn't volunteer information in one instance and he received a citation in another. Just how long should he have sat?

Nah, I don't think OSU or Meyer are innocent at all, I don't think any football program is. I just thought it was odd acting like a half game suspension for Marshall was a big deal while acting outraged Sea Ray stated a huge recruit would get a lighter punishment than a 3 star recruit for the same crime. If the third string QB on Auburn was pulled over with a quarter ounce of an illegal substance he would have been given more than a half game suspension - I guarantee it.

Where did I paint Marshall as a criminal mastermind? I simply said he has a shady past, if he gets caught doing something shady again, I will not be remotely surprised.

[jojo]

Nah, I don't think OSU or Meyer are innocent at all, I don't think any football program is. I just thought it was odd acting like a half game suspension for Marshall was a big deal while acting outraged Sea Ray stated a huge recruit would get a lighter punishment than a 3 star recruit for the same crime.

I find it odd that you'd conflate the two circumstances. It's acceptable for a 5-star guy to commit domestic violence but it's not acceptable for a 3-star guy to do so is the same thing as a Heisman candidate missing a huge media event, missing playing/practice time, and giving a pound of flesh with the team enforcer (strength and conditioning coach)? Shenanigans.


If the third string QB on Auburn was pulled over with a quarter ounce of an illegal substance he would have been given more than a half game suspension - I guarantee it.

And you'd be wrong. You can imagine whatever you want. Gus doesn't have a history consistent with your supposition.


Where did I paint Marshall as a criminal mastermind? I simply said he has a shady past, if it happens again, I will not be remotely surprised.

No, you suggested he is a thief who is a significant drug user.

[RedTeamGo!]

No, you suggested he is a thief who is a significant drug user.

Honestly, as someone with experience with marijuana - if you are walking around with a quarter, chances are pretty high (no pun intended) you are a significant user of marijuana. You don't get that much if you are experimenting.

I was born at night, but not last night.

[RedTeamGo!]

I find it odd that you'd conflate the two circumstances. It's acceptable for a 5-star guy to commit domestic violence but it's not acceptable for a 3-star guy to do so is the same thing as a Heisman candidate missing a huge media event, missing playing/practice time, and giving a pound of flesh with the team enforcer (strength and conditioning coach)? Shenanigans.


It's absolutely not acceptable for a 5-star guy to commit domestic violence, but Sea Ray is correct in saying the team would wait for the court system to do it's thing with a top recruit. A 3-star guy is expendable, drop him and don't ask questions. Jameis Winston's situation last year is a good example of this. If the second string QB or a 3 star recruit had found himself accused of the same crime, he would have been kicked off the team, Winston on the other hand was kept and played until the situation played out in the courts.

I'm sorry, but acting like missing out on the SEC media day is equal to missing game time action is big time shenanigans.

[Sea Ray]

It's absolutely not acceptable for a 5-star guy to commit domestic violence, but Sea Ray is correct in saying the team would wait for the court system to do it's thing with a top recruit. A 3-star guy is expendable, drop him and don't ask questions.

Oh no, you've joined me in my cynical ways. Pity...

[RedTeamGo!]

Oh no, you've joined me in my cynical ways. Pity...

It's not cynical, it is realistic, thinking otherwise is ignoring the history of college athletics.

[jojo]

Honestly, as someone with experience with marijuana - if you are walking around with a quarter, chances are pretty high (no pun intended) you are a significant user of marijuana. You don't get that much if you are experimenting.

I was born at night, but not last night.

A college football player might get that much if they are medicating. As someone who professed experience with marijauna, you might by in hippy heaven hanging with football players and I'm guessing there are more than a few Buckeyes who empathize with Marshall.

[jojo]

It's absolutely not acceptable for a 5-star guy to commit domestic violence, but Sea Ray is correct in saying the team would wait for the court system to do it's thing with a top recruit. A 3-star guy is expendable, drop him and don't ask questions. Jameis Winston's situation last year is a good example of this. If the second string QB or a 3 star recruit had found himself accused of the same crime, he would have been kicked off the team, Winston on the other hand was kept and played until the situation played out in the courts.

I'm sorry, but acting like missing out on the SEC media day is equal to missing game time action is big time shenanigans.

Vols fans might look down upon Big Ten programs like Ohio State but it is interesting to see that fans of either program are cut from the same cloth. BTW, Marshall missed SEC media days, practice time and playing time while getting the priviledge of extra face time with Coach Russell, everyone's favorite motivational mentor.

Meanwhile Gus was specifically asked yesterday at his presser about recruiting guys with domestic violence in their history and he pretty clearly indicated that such a player was persona non grada. So if you don't recruit such 5-star players, it stands to reason that you'd be willing to kiss one goodbye.

[RedTeamGo!]

A college football player might get that much if they are medicating. As someone who professed experience with marijauna, you might by in hippy heaven hanging with football players and I'm guessing there are more than a few Buckeyes who empathize with Marshall.

2nd time you randomly brought the Buckeyes up for some reason...I absolutely think there are some shady characters on OSU (Noah Spence - I'm looking at you) and guarantee some are smoking pot, if they got caught I couldn't care less how they got punished, I don't think it should be illegal in the first place. At the same time I am not going to act all high and mighty if an OSU player gets caught and is punished by missing out on B1G media day and a the first half of one game.

I have definitely heard football players smoke a ton of pot, you are definitely right about that. I worked with a guy that was friends with a player on South Carolina 5 years ago (will not mention a name) and said he would regularly go over to the players house and see a kitchen table overflowing with pot.

[RedTeamGo!]

Vols fans might look down upon Big Ten programs like Ohio State but it is interesting to see that fans of either program are cut from the same cloth. BTW, Marshall missed SEC media days, practice time and playing time while getting the priviledge of extra face time with Coach Russell, everyone's favorite motivational mentor.

Meanwhile Gus was specifically asked yesterday at his presser about recruiting guys with domestic violence in their history and he pretty clearly indicated that such a player was persona non grada. So if you don't recruit such 5-star players, it stands to reason that you'd be willing to kiss one goodbye.

What does this mean? I am not saying it is right, I am saying what a major college program would do if a star athlete was in trouble. That goes for OSU, Tenn, Auburn, Bama, USC, Notre Dame, etc.

[jojo]

What does this mean? I am not saying it is right, I am saying what a major college program would do if a star athlete was in trouble. That goes for OSU, Tenn, Auburn, Bama, USC, Notre Dame, etc.

It means you have a notion of how "college football" works and are applying the supposition to a specific situation and I'm saying it's not very compelling given how Gus has handled his business. If OSU has been mentioned it's because presumably that is the paradigm you have based your notion of how college football works upon.

Missouri ditched a pretty good WR recently. Auburn just suspended the leader of their secondary indefinitely a day before a big game (and he just said mean things).

Like him or hate him, Richt boots big time players all of the time.

I don't think one size fits all and again, it's appalling that someone would argue a 3 star player should get run out of town while a more important player should be held to a different standard (which is the argument that precipitated this tangent).

[RedTeamGo!]

It means you have a notion of how "college football" works and are applying the supposition to a specific situation and I'm saying it's not very compelling given how Gus has handled his business.

Because Gus "Jesus Christ" Malzahn said he wouldn't recruit a player with a history of domestic violence? How is that comparable to one of his current star players mid-season having an allegation of domestic violence? It's not.

Please explain to me the Jameis Winston situation last year and why he was not immediately kicked off the team.

[jojo]

Because Gus "Jesus Christ" Malzahn said he wouldn't recruit a player with a history of domestic violence?

Don't accuse me of being sanctimonious, when you're actually guilty.


Please explain to me the Jameis Winston situation last year and why he was not immediately kicked off the team.

FSU enjoys getting sued and embarrassed?

[RedTeamGo!]

it's appalling that someone would argue a 3 star player should get run out of town while a more important player should be held to a different standard (which is the argument that precipitated this tangent).

It is appalling that one would argue that, I thought he was just saying what he though Tenn would do, not what he thought they should do if a big time player was in the same situation. I was simply saying how I think a lot of teams would handle similar situations.

[RedTeamGo!]

Don't accuse me of being sanctimonious, when you're actually guilty.



I am not being sanctimonious. I think OSU, Urban Meyer, the NCAA, and college sports in general are shady as all get-out. Didn't really say anything that I would consider sanctimonious.

[jojo]

Dillon Day gets a day off for his play that was utter weak sauce....

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/mississippistatesports/2014/09/23/sec-suspends-dillon-day/16108583/

[jojo]

Texas A&M might have the best venue to play their home games in college football when renovations are finished. What a phenomenal intersection of facilities and atmosphere. This program has the chance to become dominant.

http://www.12thman.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205237850

[dabvu2498]

The powder blue helmets Ole Miss is wearing are absolutely sweet.

[dabvu2498]

Todd Gurley is the only thing that makes watching SEC East football tolerable.

[jojo]

Todd Gurley is the only thing that makes watching SEC East football tolerable.

It's pretty weak sauce this year. Thankfully, we didn't have to watch Florida this week.

[Sea Ray]

Todd Gurley is the only thing that makes watching SEC East football tolerable.

Big Ten fans watch worse football week in and week out...

[RedTeamGo!]

Big Ten fans watch worse football week in and week out...

Interesting, since Indiana beat the team sitting at the top of the SEC East's division on the road 2 weeks ago. Also, Just about every fan in the Big Ten watches better football week in and week out than Tennessee fans.

[Sea Ray]

Interesting, since Indiana beat the team sitting at the top of the SEC East's division on the road 2 weeks ago. Also, Just about every fan in the Big Ten watches better football week in and week out than Tennessee fans.

You come across as another dillusional Big Ten fan who still thinks football in his conference is top notch. Every time someone brings you back down to reality, we get accused of being SEC homers and trolling a thread.

[RedTeamGo!]

You come across as another dillusional Big Ten fan who still thinks football in his conference is top notch. Every time someone brings you back down to reality, we get accused of being SEC homers and trolling a thread.

I am not delusional, and do think the Big Ten has hit tough times recently.

With that said, the SEC East is mediocre. Did Indiana (A perennial B1G bottom feeder) not just beat the team leading the SEC East on the road 2 weeks ago? Did I imagine that?

[Sea Ray]

I am not delusional, and do think the Big Ten has hit tough times recently.

With that said, the SEC East is mediocre. Did Indiana (A perennial B1G bottom feeder) not just beat the team leading the SEC East on the road 2 weeks ago? Did I imagine that?

They sure did and kudos to them. What does that prove in your mind?

[RedTeamGo!]

They sure did and kudos to them. What does that prove in your mind?

It was in response to your comment about fans of the Big 10 watching worse football week in and week out compared to the SEC east.

Big 10 fans ABSOLUTELY watch worse football than the SEC West, but not the East. Kentucky vs Vanderbilt or Tennessee vs Missouri is not better football than games you get in the B1G.

The SEC West is why the SEC is such a dominant conference, not the medicore stuff that comes out of the east.

[jojo]

You come across as another dillusional Big Ten fan who still thinks football in his conference is top notch. Every time someone brings you back down to reality, we get accused of being SEC homers and trolling a thread.

Actually continually bringing it up probably is a sign of being an SEC homer and a troll.

[Captain Hook]

I hope Missouri wins the SEC and Indiana finishes last in the Big 10. :)

[Captain Hook]

They sure did and kudos to them. What does that prove in your mind?

It proves to me that Missouri was overrated. What will it prove to you if Missouri goes on to win the SEC?

[Sea Ray]

It was in response to your comment about fans of the Big 10 watching worse football week in and week out compared to the SEC east.

Big 10 fans ABSOLUTELY watch worse football than the SEC West, but not the East. Kentucky vs Vanderbilt or Tennessee vs Missouri is not better football than games you get in the B1G.

The SEC West is why the SEC is such a dominant conference, not the medicore stuff that comes out of the east.

So that proves that the Big Ten is better than half the SEC?

If it makes you feel nice and warm inside to say that as a conference the Big Ten is better than the lesser half of the SEC then fine, have at it.

[Sea Ray]

It proves to me that Missouri was overrated. What will it prove to you if Missouri goes on to win the SEC?

I agree that Missouri was overrated at the time. If Missouri goes on to win the SEC then I'll say that it shows that the Tigers must have had a bad week. What would it prove to you?

- - - Updated - - -


Actually continually bringing it up probably is a sign of being an SEC homer and a troll.

Mentioning the Big Ten in an SEC thread makes one a troll?

[jojo]

I agree that Missouri was overrated at the time. If Missouri goes on to win the SEC then I'll say that it shows that the Tigers must have had a bad week. What would it prove to you?

- - - Updated - - -



Mentioning the Big Ten in an SEC thread makes one a troll?

At some point why is it still necesary to remind the world that the SEC is perceived to be a stronger conference right now than the Big Ten?

[Sea Ray]

At some point why is it still necesary to remind the world that the SEC is perceived to be a stronger conference right now than the Big Ten?

Oh, did you just come out of therapy or did you not start a "Big Ten Pretenders" Thread that started like this:


Devastating day for a conference that was exposed in several marquee matchups on the national stage.

The Big Ten is more little than large during the inaugural playoff season.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?106725-2014-Big-preTENders-discussion-thread

[jojo]

Oh, did you just come out of therapy or did you not start a "Big Ten Pretenders" Thread that started like this:



http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?106725-2014-Big-preTENders-discussion-thread

That thread was extremely timely given this was the first year of the playoffs and that weekend was particularly noteworthy in that context. What you don't see me doing is chanting "SEC, SEC, SEC!" every time someone mentions something about college football. Since therapy was brought up, someone who feels the need to live vicariously through a football conference as evidence by the constant references to it's superiority likely has some issues to work through.

Don't treat every college football thread like a therapy session.

[RedTeamGo!]

So that proves that the Big Ten is better than half the SEC?

If it makes you feel nice and warm inside to say that as a conference the Big Ten is better than the lesser half of the SEC then fine, have at it.

You stated big ten fans watch worse football week in and week out then sec east fans. I believe that to be pretty obviously false. The sec west? Yes, that is clearly better than the big ten. SEC east on the other hand is not.

It doesn't make me feel anything. It's just football.

[dabvu2498]

Sadly, Karl Dorrell didn't win SEC defensive player of the week honors. Maybe next week, Karl.

[dabvu2498]

http://www.kentucky.com/2014/09/29/3453703/shots-fired-on-uk-campus-came.html

Why couldn't this have happened last week?!?

Actually, it wouldn't have mattered... Vandy still wouldn't have scored.

[jojo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_U249MAB3Qs

http://thefanbuzz.com/story/can-i-kick-it-auburn-hype-video-featuring-the-kick-six-roasting-nick-saban-and-more-moments-from-auburn-v-alabama/

[jojo]

Great weekend of football coming up. We'll know alot more about things after Saturday.

Auburn started the week favored by 8.5 pts but has injury worries @ Mike and Ike, with Patrick Miller on the Oline and additionally both Coates and Duke are banged up. Not a good recipe when playing Auburn's nemesis, LSU. Should be a great game.

[jojo]

Jay Jacobs, athletic director for Auburn University sent the following letter to the KSU Collegian regarding the Tiger's recent game in Manhattan, Kansas:

http://footballscoop.com/news/auburn-ad-jay-jacobs-pens-thank-letter-k-state-fans/


Dear Editor,

I wanted to thank K-State Athletic Director John Currie, K-State’s spirited student body and its first-class fans for making our recent trip to Manhattan a memorable one.

We like to boast that we have the best game day experience in the nation in the Southeastern Conference, but the environment at K-State is as good as I have ever seen. In the days since our trip to Manhattan, many of our fans have told me it was the best they have ever been treated on a road trip. Considering how many road games some of our fans attend, that is saying a lot.

The hospitality was outstanding. I can understand the courteousness prior to the game, but the way we were treated after the game was such a pleasant surprise. You are all first class.

You should also be proud of your beautiful campus and its outstanding athletic facilities. The football facilities are especially impressive, and our fans enjoyed seeing them.

Thank you again for the hospitality. We thoroughly enjoyed a hard-fought game and a wonderful environment. In years to come, we will have forgotten the score, but we will always remember how well we were treated.

We wish you the very best of luck for the remainder of the season.

Best regards,

Jay Jacobs
Director of Athletics
Auburn University

[Boston Red]

"In the days since our trip to Manhattan, many of our fans have told me it was the best they have ever been treated on a road trip. Considering how many road games some of our fans attend, that is saying a lot.

The hospitality was outstanding. I can understand the courteousness prior to the game, but the way we were treated after the game was such a pleasant surprise. You are all first class."

My parents went to the K-State/Louisville game in Manhattan in 2006 and gave the same report after the Louisville win. They couldn't believe how nice everyone was to them.

[BuckeyeRed27]

"In the days since our trip to Manhattan, many of our fans have told me it was the best they have ever been treated on a road trip. Considering how many road games some of our fans attend, that is saying a lot.

The hospitality was outstanding. I can understand the courteousness prior to the game, but the way we were treated after the game was such a pleasant surprise. You are all first class."

I went to the Fiesta Bowl when Ohio State played Kansas State a few years back when they had Sproles. Fans were amazing, easily the classiest I have come across. I almost felt bad that we won....almost.

[jojo]

Starting to hear rumors about Butch Jones to Michigan.....

[KronoRed]

Starting to hear rumors about Butch Jones to Michigan.....

That's a giant step down for him.

[Sea Ray]

That's a giant step down for him.

I think he would be one of many they'd consider. My guess is they'd also consider the two Harbaugh boys and maybe even Brian Kelly.

[dabvu2498]

That's a giant step down for him.

Cal was a giant step down for Cuonzo also. Coaching on the hill may not be all it's cracked up to be.

[WVRed]

That's a giant step down for him.

I think Michigan as a whole is a step down. The program isn't what it used to be. The obvious candidates don't want it, which leaves lesser candidates to choose from

[jojo]

Big weekend in the SEC-five unbeaten teams and one one-loss team play on Saturday.

We'll know more about the SEC west after Saturday and certainly have a better picture of the state of Mississippi.

[RedTeamGo!]

What is your prediction for the Auburn/LSU game?

Other than "pain" of course, but Mr. T quotes are a given.

[jojo]

What is your prediction for the Auburn/LSU game?

Other than "pain" of course, but Mr. T quotes are a given.

This is a tough one. Auburn's starting Mike and Ike are banged up and it's not clear how effective they would be or even if they'll play. Whitehead, Auburn's most experienced member of the secondary is still suspended and doesn't seem like he'll get back on the field until the MSU game. On offense both Coates and Duke are banged up and it's uncertain if either will be effective. Patrick Miller has practiced but how effective he'll be is also uncertain. Then with all of that, the Auburn offense hasn't executed well recently. It's been minor things but missing an asssignment here or there can be the difference between exerting your will or not.

I suspect you'll see Auburn attack the middle of the field through the air with success. With healthy linebackers, i'd predict that LSU's rookie QB would be in for alot of pain and that LSU will struggle to run the ball. But the nagging injuries have got to be impactful.

LSU consistently recruits too good for anyne to expect their team will dominate them and this series in particular is storied as mutliple games over the last two decades actually have names.

Auburn opened up 8.5 pt favorites. Given the injuries, I wouldn't bet that they cover. I do think this is a game that Auburn can win especially since it's at Jordan-Hare. It's one they can lose too though. How's that for a prediction?

[jojo]

Crappy news given the the state of Mississippi is at the epicenter of college football excitement this weekend for the first time in like, forever.


Sources: Mississippi under investigation for rules violations in multiple sports


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--mississippi-under-investigation-for-rules-violations-in-multiple-sports-075017671-ncaaf.html

[dabvu2498]

Katy Perry guest picker this week?!?

Please let this be a joke.

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee's performance was very uninspiring. It's gonna be tough for them to get a win in the SEC.

Utah State's win over BYU makes Tennessee's "uninspiring" performance look a little better

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=400548204

[jojo]

Utah State's win over BYU makes Tennessee's "uninspiring" performance look a little better

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=400548204

Not really.

[Boston Red]

Utah's State is a pretty decent team. There's no way BYU should lose to them at home, with or without Hill, though. That's very surprising.

[jojo]

Utah's State is a pretty decent team. There's no way BYU should lose to them at home, with or without Hill, though. That's very surprising.

Utah state is at best the little engine that could provided the incline isn't too steep (theyre not even as good as Arky St) but BYU isn't a legit top 25 team without Hill.

[Sea Ray]

Utah state is at best the little engine that could provided the incline isn't too steep (theyre not even as good as Arky St) but BYU isn't a legit top 25 team without Hill.

Utah State lost its Heisman trophy candidate QB Chuckie Keeton a couple weeks ago and they still beat BYU at their home. With Chuckie behind center USU is better than Arky St

[jojo]

Utah State lost its Heisman trophy candidate QB Chuckie Keeton a couple weeks ago and they still beat BYU at their home. With Chuckie behind center USU is better than Arky St

This just in....you're really out of your depth if you're seriously arguing Chuckie Keeton is/was a legit heisman candidate.

[Boston Red]

Nah, USU is pretty solid. For anyone to still be talking about them vis a vis Tennessee at this point of the season is kind of strange, though. Tennessee should beat USU handily, and they did.

[jojo]

Jeeps. How bad is Florida and if the Vols can't beat them this year, why should their fans expect the Vols to ever beat them?

[Boston Red]

Tennessee is lucky Vandy is so awful. Otherwise, they really might go winless in the SEC. They still should beat Kentucky at home, but I sure wouldn't count on it.

[19braves77]

I can't remember ever seeing a Saban coached Bama team play as horribly as they did today.

[Boston Red]

I can't remember ever seeing a Saban coached Bama team play as horribly as they did today.

Didn't they lose to UL-Monroe his first year?