Black Monday Starts Early

[KoryMac5]

Rob Chudzinski was fired today by the Browns I expect more heads to roll come Monday.

Too bad seemed like a bright mind unfortunately injuries derailed him in Cleveland.

[redsfan1995]

I feel a little bit bad for him when Hoyer was healthy they were 3-2 and once he got hurt finished 1-10. But I can see why he is being let go.

[KoryMac5]

Jets announced Rex Ryan is safe.

[Stray]

I don't care how bad the team is, you should never fire a coach after one season. If it's that obvious he's not a good coach you should fire yourself for hiring him.

With turnover like that the Browns will never get it going in the right direction.

[texasdave]

Fired after one season? The Browns are turning into the NFL version of the Cubs. That is ridiculous.

[kaldaniels]

Rob Chudzinski was fired today by the Browns I expect more heads to roll come Monday.

Too bad seemed like a bright mind unfortunately injuries derailed him in Cleveland.

I watched every game this year (perhaps you did too, not suggesting otherwise).

But the collapse over the last 8 games was inexcusable. I can't fault a change being made right now.

[kaldaniels]

There is a point to be made that the person who hired Chud should have some accountability.

But he showed nothing as a coach. So if you think he is the proverbial coaching turd, better to dismiss him now rather than later.

[Yachtzee]

Dear Browns, feel free to hire Jay Gruden as your next coach. Signed, Bengals fans.

I think they should have given Chud more than one season to see what he could do with a decent starting QB and RB. I also think they should have worked out a deal with Troma films to make the movie C.H.U.D. 3: Taking The Browns To The Super Bowl.

[JaxRed]

First....... this is not official.

Second .....Hard to justify after just one season. You would hope that the people making the decision knew something we didn't, and were making the right call. It's hard to give the Browns that benefit of the doubt.

However, they cut bait early (and correctly) on Trent Richardson, and when the Jags played the Browns I thought Chud had that "Jim Caldwell lost in a haze" look on the sidelines.

[Tom Servo]

I think it's ridiculous and shows why the Browns are so terrible. Was Chudzinski really worse than Mangini and Schumur, who got two seasons? I know that was different ownership, but the point is the Browns are used to failure. How could they have expected Chudzinski to win given all of the elements of the Browns season (trading their starting RB without having any other RBs, heading into the year with Weeden as QB)?

Maybe there's some other behind the scenes reason, but this just seems stupid. And apparently Josh McDaniels, the infamous Denver flameout, is a favorite to land the gig.

[kaldaniels]

Dear Browns, feel free to hire Jay Gruden as your next coach. Signed, Bengals fans.

I think they should have given Chud more than one season to see what he could do with a decent starting QB and RB. I also think they should have worked out a deal with Troma films to make the movie C.H.U.D. 3: Taking The Browns To The Super Bowl.

Totally reasonable as well. This team was/is going nowhere without a QB. But without being able to pinpoint it, something was off this season. SEVERAL additional games were winnable but were coughed away due to various reasons.

[kaldaniels]

I think it's ridiculous and shows why the Browns are so terrible. Was Chudzinski really worse than Mangini and Schumur, who got two seasons? I know that was different ownership, but the point is the Browns are used to failure. How could they have expected Chudzinski to win given all of the elements of the Browns season (trading their starting RB without having any other RBs, heading into the year with Weeden as QB)?

Maybe there's some other behind the scenes reason, but this just seems stupid. And apparently Josh McDaniels, the infamous Denver flameout, is a favorite to land the gig.

Looking back, it was a mistake to keep Manigini and Schumur a second season, so I don't agree with that logic. I do realize you typically give a guy a few years, but if you think he is that bad...cut bait.

[Yachtzee]

Totally reasonable as well. This team was/is going nowhere without a QB. But without being able to pinpoint it, something was off this season. SEVERAL additional games were winnable but were coughed away due to various reasons.

The Browns' problem is that, while they have some very good players, they also have quite a few poor players accustomed to losing carried over from the previous regime. I think you have to give a coach at least two offseasons to get enough turnover to make the team his own. It took Marvin Lewis years before he was finally able to de-Bungle the Bengals. In the meantime, he had to rely on hokie motivational gimmicks just to get the team to mediocrity.

[Tom Servo]

Looking back, it was a mistake to keep Manigini and Schumur a second season, so I don't agree with that logic. I do realize you typically give a guy a few years, but if you think he is that bad...cut bait.
I just think there is typically little reason to only give a coach in the NFL only one season. Mike Mularkey, Hue Jackson, and Cam Cameron are the most recent ones I can remember, and in each of them you can point to regime changes (plus Mularkey and Cameron's teams won 2 and 1 games, respectively). There is no regime change here.

[KoryMac5]

Glazer says Chud will meet with the Browns to try and convince them not to can him which contradicts Morts report that it is a done deal. Lerner is said to be after Bill O'Brien again or Josh McDaniels.

[KoryMac5]

Shanahan will be fired Monday according to Glazer.

[Yachtzee]

Glazer says Chud will meet with the Browns to try and convince them not to can him which contradicts Morts report that it is a done deal. Lerner is said to be after Bill O'Brien again.

To coach Aston Villa? Lerner doesn't own the Browns any more.

[UKFlounder]

But Marvin was salt to go 8-8 his first two years, not 4-12 or 2-14. He immediately took the team from absolutely horrible to at least competitive from the start


The Browns' problem is that, while they have some very good players, they also have quite a few poor players accustomed to losing carried over from the previous regime. I think you have to give a coach at least two offseasons to get enough turnover to make the team his own. It took Marvin Lewis years before he was finally able to de-Bungle the Bengals. In the meantime, he had to rely on hokie motivational gimmicks just to get the team to mediocrity.

[KoryMac5]

To coach Aston Villa? Lerner doesn't own the Browns any more.

Sorry brain fart meant Haslam though I doubt it matters who owns that team these days.

[Tom Servo]

I'm guessing Shannahan, Schwartz, Munchak, Frazier, and Chudzinski all get walking papers. I'm not sure about Joe Philbin and Dennis Allen, it would seem to depend on the security of their GM. And I see Schiano running back to college.

[jimbo]

I never thought in million years I would ever come to say this, but I think I'm finished wasting good portions of my life rooting the Browns. How do you ask any coach to come into that circus by the lake and give him only a year to fix it? If they are truly firing Chudzinski, then I've lost any amount of respect that I had left for the organization. The NFL should do the city and the rest of the league a favor and blow up the stadium and and retire the franchise.

[dougdirt]

But Marvin was salt to go 8-8 his first two years, not 4-12 or 2-14. He immediately took the team from absolutely horrible to at least competitive from the start

Marvin also had a capable quarterback his first year. Did I just defend something about the Browns? Someone smack me.

[RiverRat13]

My guess is that the Browns already have O'Brien lined up and that played a big part in why they fired Chud after one season. Just a guess, though.

I think it is worth mentioning that there was similar reaction to the Browns trading Richardson and that's a move that looks like the Browns correctly knew that it was time to cut bait.

[Playadlc]

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The last four coaches fired in the AFC North have been the coach of the Cleveland Browns.

[traderumor]

I never thought in million years I would ever come to say this, but I think I'm finished wasting good portions of my life rooting the Browns. How do you ask any coach to come into that circus by the lake and give him only a year to fix it? If they are truly firing Chudzinski, then I've lost any amount of respect that I had left for the organization. The NFL should do the city and the rest of the league a favor and blow up the stadium and and retire the franchise.
They tried that, and then the NFL gave them another team. The proverbial dog returning to its vomit.

[Tom Servo]

Jay Glazer says it's official, Chudzinski is out.

[Yachtzee]

My guess is that the Browns already have O'Brien lined up and that played a big part in why they fired Chud after one season. Just a guess, though.

I think it is worth mentioning that there was similar reaction to the Browns trading Richardson and that's a move that looks like the Browns correctly knew that it was time to cut bait.

I would argue that Richardson was sent to Indy, whose offensive line isn't that good, and the pounding Browns QBs took this season indicates the Browns OL isn't that great either. Anyone else remember when the Bengals had Willie Anderson, Richie Braham, and three turnstiles? That's what the Browns' OL reminds me of. There's only one RB in my lifetime that truly excelled behind bad offensive lines and that was Barry Sanders. But I think he was a once-in-a-lifetime talent, definitely the best RB I've ever seen.

The day I'll be scared of the Browns is the day they hire a head coach who places emphasis on building the offense from the line out. When they start doing that they'll be a force. Unfortunately for Browns fans, I expect them to draft a QB and RB in the early rounds and continue to treat the line as an afterthought.

[Yachtzee]

I never thought in million years I would ever come to say this, but I think I'm finished wasting good portions of my life rooting the Browns. How do you ask any coach to come into that circus by the lake and give him only a year to fix it? If they are truly firing Chudzinski, then I've lost any amount of respect that I had left for the organization. The NFL should do the city and the rest of the league a favor and blow up the stadium and and retire the franchise.

Or the NFL could do what they did with the Bengals. I seem to recall them putting serious pressure on the Bengals to interview Marvin Lewis. The official reason was to comply with the Rooney rule to interview minority candidates, but I think part of it was to save Mike Brown from himself at a time when he was stuck on the idea of hiring coaches with a Bengals connection. Before interviewing Lewis, I believe Brown was leaning toward hiring Dick Jauron.

Actually I think a good choice for the Browns might be to stay in house and hire Ray Horton. The Browns' D has been good under his watch and he was a candidate for the Cardinals job when he got passed over for Bruce Arians.

[kaldaniels]

Or the NFL could do what they did with the Bengals. I seem to recall them putting serious pressure on the Bengals to interview Marvin Lewis. The official reason was to comply with the Rooney rule to interview minority candidates, but I think part of it was to save Mike Brown from himself at a time when he was stuck on the idea of hiring coaches with a Bengals connection. Before interviewing Lewis, I believe Brown was leaning toward hiring Dick Jauron.

Actually I think a good choice for the Browns might be to stay in house and hire Ray Horton. The Browns' D has been good under his watch and he was a candidate for the Cardinals job when he got passed over for Bruce Arians.

I would respectfully disagree about Horton. His defense and their performance has not been worthy of a promotion by any stretch of the word.

[GAC]

I do realize you typically give a guy a few years, but if you think he is that bad...cut bait.

Did they expect this guy, as well his coaching staff, to turn this team around, seeing it's glaring weaknesses on the offensive side? While I had no problem with the trade, they still traded away any resemblance of a RB in Richardson and replaced him with what? They have no QB. And the only one who did give us any hope, though, IMO, wasn't our QB of the future, was Hoyer who had a season-ending injury.

These are two very important pieces, and yet it wasn't Chud's fault for the most part.

A year ago CEO Banner was touting Chudzinski as one of the bright young coaches in the NFL and claimed they had their eye on him for quite some time.

Now they are saying they made a mistake after only one season?? I realize that is a possibility, but it's more an indictment, IMO, of this FO and their lack of oversight and in their decision-making and evaluation skills when it comes to hiring him in the first place. And it sure doesn't give me much confidence in their decision-making going forward looking for a replacement.

I'm beginning to think there is far more to this. That there was something going on "behind the scenes" between Chud and Banner. And maybe it had a lot to do with the direction they wanted to go in the upcoming draft .... they didn't see eye to eye on a very important draft that is a turning point for this organization.

IMO, it can't solely be just because this team finished so poorly. In the last 14 years this team has had only two winning seasons. And other than that it has been dreadful. The majority of Brown fans I know, even with the new ownership and coaching staff, felt we'd still be lucky to win 6 games at best because of simply trying to learn a new system. This FO can't be that blind, even with the talent that emerged on the offense, to the HUGE holes they had in crucial positions on offense and that until they were addressed this team had an uphill battle this season.

You just don't fire a coach you were so high on after his initial season. I think there was some "in-fighting" going on.... and Chud lost! Why else wouldn't you give the coach at least one more year?

[KoryMac5]

Did they expect this guy, as well his coaching staff, to turn this team around, seeing it's glaring weaknesses on the offensive side? While I had no problem with the trade, they still traded away any resemblance of a RB in Richardson and replaced him with what? They have no QB. And the only one who did give us any hope, though, IMO, wasn't our QB of the future, was Hoyer who had a season-ending injury.

These are two very important pieces, and yet it wasn't Chud's fault for the most part.

A year ago CEO Banner was touting Chudzinski as one of the bright young coaches in the NFL and claimed they had their eye on him for quite some time.

Now they are saying they made a mistake after only one season?? I realize that is a possibility, but it's more an indictment, IMO, of this FO and their lack of oversight and in their decision-making and evaluation skills when it comes to hiring him in the first place. And it sure doesn't give me much confidence in their decision-making going forward looking for a replacement.

I'm beginning to think there is far more to this. That there was something going on "behind the scenes" between Chud and Banner. And maybe it had a lot to do with the direction they wanted to go in the upcoming draft .... they didn't see eye to eye on a very important draft that is a turning point for this organization.

IMO, it can't solely be just because this team finished so poorly. In the last 14 years this team has had only two winning seasons. And other than that it has been dreadful. The majority of Brown fans I know, even with the new ownership and coaching staff, felt we'd still be lucky to win 6 games at best because of simply trying to learn a new system. This FO can't be that blind, even with the talent that emerged on the offense, to the HUGE holes they had in crucial positions on offense and that until they were addressed this team had an uphill battle this season.

You just don't fire a coach you were so high on after his initial season. I think there was some "in-fighting" going on.... and Chud lost! Why else wouldn't you give the coach at least one more year?

Albert Breer reported this AM that there was a disagreement between mgmt and coach. Mgmt wanted Chud to release either (Little or Weeden, I think it was Little) and Chud refused. They looked at this as a failure to hold players acountable and decided to let Chud go.

[Chip R]

Leslie Frazier is gone.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10214415/minnesota-vikings-announce-leslie-frazier-head-coach

[KoryMac5]

Shanahan fired according to Mike Jones.

[medford]

Or the NFL could do what they did with the Bengals. I seem to recall them putting serious pressure on the Bengals to interview Marvin Lewis. The official reason was to comply with the Rooney rule to interview minority candidates, but I think part of it was to save Mike Brown from himself at a time when he was stuck on the idea of hiring coaches with a Bengals connection. Before interviewing Lewis, I believe Brown was leaning toward hiring Dick Jauron.

Actually I think a good choice for the Browns might be to stay in house and hire Ray Horton. The Browns' D has been good under his watch and he was a candidate for the Cardinals job when he got passed over for Bruce Arians.

I have no idea if this is actually true, but the story I've always heard is that Mike wanted to hire Tom Caughlin, he thought the team really needed a tough disciplinarian as a head coach. Katie really wanted to hire Marvin; Pumpkin won out. I don't recall any Bengals connection with Caughlin.

[Sea Ray]

I have no idea if this is actually true, but the story I've always heard is that Mike wanted to hire Tom Caughlin, he thought the team really needed a tough disciplinarian as a head coach. Katie really wanted to hire Marvin; Pumpkin won out. I don't recall any Bengals connection with Caughlin.

That is my recollection as well

[Caveat Emperor]

I'm guessing Shannahan, Schwartz, Munchak, Frazier, and Chudzinski all get walking papers. I'm not sure about Joe Philbin and Dennis Allen, it would seem to depend on the security of their GM. And I see Schiano running back to college.

I'm literally giddy with anticipation over Greg Schiano being fired.

[UKFlounder]

I heard it was Mike Mularkey that Mike wanted to hire because he was an offensive-minded coach, but Katie won out with Marvin.


I have no idea if this is actually true, but the story I've always heard is that Mike wanted to hire Tom Caughlin, he thought the team really needed a tough disciplinarian as a head coach. Katie really wanted to hire Marvin; Pumpkin won out. I don't recall any Bengals connection with Caughlin.

[RiverRat13]

I have no idea if this is actually true, but the story I've always heard is that Mike wanted to hire Tom Caughlin, he thought the team really needed a tough disciplinarian as a head coach. Katie really wanted to hire Marvin; Pumpkin won out. I don't recall any Bengals connection with Caughlin.

Coughlin came into the interview with a plan that included spending more in the front office (scouts, etc.) and that turned Mikey off.

[Caveat Emperor]

My favorite "Stat of the Day" --

PITTSBURGH STEELERS: 3 coaches since 1969
CLEVELAND BROWNS: 3 coaches since 2012

[Boss-Hog]

Coughlin came into the interview with a plan that included spending more in the front office (scouts, etc.) and that turned Mikey off.

That is correct. The three candidates were Coughlin, Marvin, and Mularky and Coughlin eliminated himself with those (not unreasonable) demands. It was then reported MB wanted to hire Mularky, but Katie and/or the NFL convinced him to hire Marvin.

[kaldaniels]

GAC...this is a fascinating situation to me, and I think both sides have points to be made.

But you keep beating the drum about trading away Trent Richardson leaving the Browns without a decent RB. I would argue he isn't a decent RB and the Browns running game really wasn't hurt all that much by his departure. He averaged 2.9 YPC with the Colts.

[bucksfan2]

GAC...this is a fascinating situation to me, and I think both sides have points to be made.

But you keep beating the drum about trading away Trent Richardson leaving the Browns without a decent RB. I would argue he isn't a decent RB and the Browns running game really wasn't hurt all that much by his departure. He averaged 2.9 YPC with the Colts.

The Browns gave up on Richardson and then signed McGahee to replace him. I don't think drafting a RB in the top 5 is a good idea nor do I know if Richardson will ever be a good RB, but they traded him early and decided to scower the scrap heap to find another RB.

The organization wanted Chud to part ways with Wheedon while at the same time they were signing a YouTube trick artist to be their backup QB. Really?

[Caveat Emperor]

Greg Schiano and GM Mark Dominik fired in Tampa.

[kaldaniels]

The Browns gave up on Richardson and then signed McGahee to replace him. I don't think drafting a RB in the top 5 is a good idea nor do I know if Richardson will ever be a good RB, but they traded him early and decided to scower the scrap heap to find another RB.

The organization wanted Chud to part ways with Wheedon while at the same time they were signing a YouTube trick artist to be their backup QB. Really?

I agree with this. But to me, if you are slamming the regime...you can't really knock them at all for the TRich trade, that's all. As for the trick artist...it was pretty much moot to me...at the halfway point it was obvious they were going to ride the season out with Campbell (which should be the true matter of discussion) and Tanney was just signed to be the backup and/or 3rd string.

What I am not understanding is why if the FO wanted Little or Weeden gone...why didn't they just make the call and cut them? Its not like Chud had final say on the roster.

[Tom Servo]

Jim Schwartz is fired.

Tampa is rumored to be interested in Lovie Smith.

[KoryMac5]

The Schwartz was not with Jim today!

[kaldaniels]

I know Jerry has said otherwise, but do you guys think
Garrett stays?

[Sea Ray]

Jim Schwartz is fired.



Good move. Mr Ford had to eat $12mill but he was an idiot to give it to Schwartz to begin with

[Sea Ray]

I know Jerry has said otherwise, but do you guys think
Garrett stays?

Interesting call. He should be gone but Jerry rarely does the right thing

[Caveat Emperor]

Jim Schwartz is fired.

Tampa is rumored to be interested in Lovie Smith.

Tampa Bay is, without a doubt, the dumbest organization in professional sports.

Lovie Smith would just confirm my expectations -- a guy who has been in the organization before (no originality or new ideas brought in) and a guy who is defensive minded in an era where creative offense rules the day (and where playing defense is basically illegal).

I fully expect this to happen now.

[KoryMac5]

If Garrett is fired then Jerry has to admit defeat. Jerry's ego is too big for that. Plus Jerry has groomed Garrett for the head coaching job since Garrett was a player. Garrett used to sit in on the coaching meetings back when he was a player so Jones has yrs invested in Garrett and he wants to see it pay off.

[bucksfan2]

I agree with this. But to me, if you are slamming the regime...you can't really knock them at all for the TRich trade, that's all. As for the trick artist...it was pretty much moot to me...at the halfway point it was obvious they were going to ride the season out with Campbell (which should be the true matter of discussion) and Tanney was just signed to be the backup and/or 3rd string.

What I am not understanding is why if the FO wanted Little or Weeden gone...why didn't they just make the call and cut them? Its not like Chud had final say on the roster.

You and I disagree on the TRich trade. I think it was a bad move at the time (that may end up working out). It sent a message to Chud and the rest of the Browns that they were playing for next year. We can debate whether or not Richardson is going to be a good RB, but I think its fair to use what he averaged this year against him. Switching teams in the middle of a NFL season is very difficult. Different schemes can make it much more difficult than just getting the ball and running.

In the NFL you can't whiff in the 1st round and you can't whiff on a QB. The Browns did that twice in the 2012 draft. Around week 4 the Browns front office pretty much said to Chud, go out there and win games but we are looking forward to the 2014 draft. IMO it was dysfunction at the top that put the players on the field in 2014. Remember when the Browns were shopping Gordon? How can you do all of that and then say, well you didn't win enough games this season, see ya!

[Yachtzee]

Coughlin came into the interview with a plan that included spending more in the front office (scouts, etc.) and that turned Mikey off.

I remember thinking Coughlin was being interviewed more to throw a bone to the fan base rather than being a serious contender, in spite of what was being said. I don't think he would have done well working with Mike Brown. I doubt Coughlin would have put up with Brown bringing back Chris Henry over his objection like Brown did to Marvin. I recall Dick Jauron being considered because he had a Bengals connection and was a Yale grad, and Mike Brown at one time had a thing for Ivy Leaguers, being one himself. I think I recall hearing that Brown was going to interview Coughlin and Jauron and the league encouraged him to interview Lewis and that Katie Blackburn was so impressed with Lewis she made the case for him to her dad and he went along.

[IslandRed]

Tampa Bay is, without a doubt, the dumbest organization in professional sports.

Lovie Smith would just confirm my expectations -- a guy who has been in the organization before (no originality or new ideas brought in) and a guy who is defensive minded in an era where creative offense rules the day (and where playing defense is basically illegal).

I fully expect this to happen now.

And yet, the four teams with the bye week are all coached by former defensive guys. :p

I don't have a strong opinion on Lovie Smith; his Bears record was spotty, but he had Jerry Angelo to deal with, so it's tough to figure out how to divvy up credit and blame for everything that happened there.

[Tom Servo]

CE, who would you like to see Tampa tap as it's next head coach?

[Yachtzee]

Tampa Bay is, without a doubt, the dumbest organization in professional sports.

Lovie Smith would just confirm my expectations -- a guy who has been in the organization before (no originality or new ideas brought in) and a guy who is defensive minded in an era where creative offense rules the day (and where playing defense is basically illegal).

I fully expect this to happen now.

I don't think hiring a defensive guy necessarily means a tean will be defense oriented. It all depends on who is brought in as offensive coordinator. However, I wouldn't want Smith if I were a Tampa fan. A retread trying to bring back the Bucs former glory, very reminiscent of when the Bengals thought Dick LeBeau would be their savior.

[Revering4Blue]

Interesting call. He should be gone but Jerry rarely does the right thing

I don't know about that.

Jason Garrett didn't hand over the play-calling to Bill Callahan.

Jason Garrett didn't can Rob Ryan, while replacing Ryan with a DC who hasn't been an effective one in an awful long time -- we are talking years.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but if Garrett is canned, Jerry Jones ought to just go ahead and appoint himself as Head Coach, since he craves total control.

[KoryMac5]

Rappaport says the Browns will not grant anyone an interview that interviewed last yr.

[Caveat Emperor]

CE, who would you like to see Tampa tap as it's next head coach?

David Shaw, but apparently he isn't leaving Stanford.

If not him, probably Darrell Bevell (Seattle OC).

[bucksfan2]

I always thought Lovie Smith underachieved in Chicago. Good coach but not a great coach.

[Wonderful Monds]

Jay Gruden to the Bucs? :devil:

[Caveat Emperor]

Jay Gruden to the Bucs? :devil:

Wouldn't hate it, but I doubt he'd go back after the way the ownership screwed his brother.

[KoryMac5]

Bob Stoops throwing out feelers on jumping to the pros according to Ian Rappaport.

[Caveat Emperor]

Bob Stoops throwing out feelers on jumping to the pros according to Ian Rappaport.

No experience in the NFL and too old. Would be a mistake for anyone to even consider him, IMO.

[KoryMac5]

Rappaport reporting Ireland and Philbin may be out in Miami. If Zimmer goes Coyle would be a good replacement.

[KoryMac5]

Kiffin fired by Jerry.

[Sea Ray]

Kiffin fired by Jerry.

That was a no brainer but I guess that means Garrett stays

[Tom Servo]

No experience in the NFL and too old. Would be a mistake for anyone to even consider him, IMO.
I don't think 53 is too old to make the jump to the NFL.

[KoryMac5]

Kiffin fired by Jerry.

Folks in Dallas now reporting it is a forced retirement.

[KoryMac5]

Kevin Gilbride is the fall guy for the Giants poor season. Reported by the Newark Star Ledger.

[Brutus]

Fired after one season? The Browns are turning into the NFL version of the Cubs. That is ridiculous.

They have morphed into the 1991-2005 Bengals

[19braves77]

Was Tony Dungy that bad of a coach that he might never get another chance or his he still waiting out for his dream job ?

[Joseph]

Was Tony Dungy that bad of a coach that he might never get another chance or his he still waiting out for his dream job ?

I think he's just not interested anymore.

[Chip R]

Rappaport reporting Ireland and Philbin may be out in Miami.

FWIW, Don Shula gave Philbin a vote of confidence.

[Tom Servo]

Kevin Gilbride is the fall guy for the Giants poor season. Reported by the Newark Star Ledger.
Rumor is that if Gilbride is out per ownership decision, Coughlin could decide to leave with him as the two have been extremely close dating back to the Jaguars expansion days.

[GAC]

But you keep beating the drum about trading away Trent Richardson leaving the Browns without a decent RB. I would argue he isn't a decent RB and the Browns running game really wasn't hurt all that much by his departure. He averaged 2.9 YPC with the Colts.

My point is ... and yes, I'm slamming the FO ... but not for the TR trade per say ... but that this FO didn't do anything to improve the team, knew what they had going into 2013, and even worsened the situation as far as this year went. And that was compounded even further with the huge question mark (revolving door) at QB.

Now in their defense it can be said that this was a new owner and upper management that inherited the "sins" of the previous ownership. And they were still getting their "feet wet" in evaluating what they had, the good, the bad, and the ugly, and trying to determine what direction to take.

So it's not their fault they inherited a badly flawed team. But it's not the fault of that new coaching staff either. They were the ones that were given the task of not only developing a scheme with these current players ... which was an uphill battle ... but also in moving this team forward into the future

And it should be noted ... it wasn't just management's decision to trade TR. Chud, and the coaching staff, were instrumental in that too because they felt he wasn't the style of RB for their scheme.

So this FO knew it was going to be an uphill battle for ANY coaching staff, especially a first year one, to successfully implement their plan, or show any side of marked improvement, when you're being forced to use players you inherited that don't fit that scheme, and whether through injury or trade you're forced to use players from the Island Of Misfit Toys in key positions.

They simply weren't being fair to a coaching staff that wasn't given the time to acquire those players to complement/implement whatever scheme they had.


Around week 4 the Browns front office pretty much said to Chud, go out there and win games but we are looking forward to the 2014 draft. IMO it was dysfunction at the top that put the players on the field in 2014. Remember when the Browns were shopping Gordon? How can you do all of that and then say, well you didn't win enough games this season, see ya!

Exactly.

The FO made this statement after firing Chud ....


"We needed to see progress with this football team. We needed to see development and improvement as the season evolved and, unfortunately, we took a concerning step backward in the second half of the year.... When we believed we were not positioned to achieve significant progress in 2014, we knew we had to admit that a change was needed, and move forward."

It's a dodge. Going into this new season, and looking at the situation that not only this FO was facing, but also the newly hired coaching staff, they can't really believe (expected) the above IMO. With Hoyer as QB they looked like a completely different team, and were winning, more competitive. When Hoyer went down with injury .... and that's not Chud's fault .... and they had to return to either Weeden, and then insert Campbell, we were done.

What progress did they expect to see from this team this year, especially on the offensive side, when you went into the season basically with the status quo? It's hilarious.

I simply think, over the course of the year, that some deep philosophical divisions developed between Chud and management over players and direction .... and upper management used the 4-12 record as a cover to cut bait on the guy.

[Sea Ray]

What progress did they expect to see from this team this year, especially on the offensive side, when you went into the season basically with the status quo? It's hilarious.

I simply think, over the course of the year, that some deep philosophical divisions developed between Chud and management over players and direction .... and upper management used the 4-12 record as a cover to cut bait on the guy.

What progress? Just look at the 2013 schedule and see where their wins came from. They came early. They were horrible at the end of the season. They were much worse in week 17 than they were when they beat the Bengals. That's called regression, not progress. If they'd finished the season like the Steelers did, I think that coaching staff would have a better argument to keep their jobs

[KoryMac5]

In regards to Cleveland it seems like you fire Chud if you have a great coach lined up to take his place. However some of the names I hear in the rumor mill connected with the job seem like a horizontal move from Chud. So why not give him another yr.

[KoryMac5]

Bill O'Brien takes the Houston Texans job.

[dabvu2498]

Bill O'Brien takes the Houston Texans job.

And torches PSU on his way out: http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/01/bill_obrien_the_outsider_arriv.html

[jojo]

Bill O'Brien takes the Houston Texans job.

This wouldve been a great hire for that other football team in Texas (the one with its own network).

Edit: Actually, after reading the link in dabvu's post, I think O'Brien's head might explode if he had to deal with the Longhorn circus daily.

[GAC]

What progress?

I didn't say they made progress did I? I was lambasting a FO that somehow expected it, and sighted the lack of progress as reasoning for firing the coach. IMO, those were unreasonable expectations for a team, especially on the offensive side (there were some additions on defense) that basically went into this season the same from last year. They traded away their starting RB for a first round draft pick after week #2 - no problem there - but it didn't improve the team and even worsened the situation.


Just look at the 2013 schedule and see where their wins came from. They came early. They were horrible at the end of the season. They were much worse in week 17 than they were when they beat the Bengals. That's called regression, not progress. If they'd finished the season like the Steelers did, I think that coaching staff would have a better argument to keep their jobs

The Browns started the season 0-2 with Weeden at QB. Their offense sucked. They scored a total of 16 points in those first two games. Weeden gets hurt. They then run off three straight wins and why? Primarily because of Hoyer at QB (he got hurt in the Buffalo game). But this was a totally different team with Hoyer at QB. He gave us hope. That hope vanished when he went down for the season.

You call it regression because we went back to a QB (Weeden) whose career W-L record is 6-16? He's thrown more INTs then TDs in his NFL career, and his QBR is 26.2. He finds more ways to lose games then win due to his bad decision-making ... that bone-head ugly shovel pass that was intercepted at the end of the Detroit game when we were driving and down only by a TD made the highlight reels. (LOL)

When they were forced to put Weeden back in that's when a majority of Brown fans starting pronouncing his name "WE DONE!" (LOL)

And when they finally decided to bench his butt after the GB game and use Campbell that was basically a desperation move because Weeden's performance, as well as Hoyer's injury, gave them no choice in the matter. Remember - they passed over Campbell on the depth chart to play Hoyer. So that tells you what this coaching staff thought of Campbell.

So explain how were were suppose to continue to show improvement, and not regress, not only under that scenario, but also with a running game that was worsened in comparison to 2012?

I said earlier in the season that this offense would make our defense look bad simply by all the 3-and-outs, turnovers, and keeping your defense on the field. And by the second half of the season they'd be one tired and worn out unit.

I "liken" this firing, in a way, to the Reds firing Baker. I liked Dusty, but had no problem with them firing him. I, as a majority of Brown fans, liked Chud and his coaching staff. Just as the Red's FO is now under pressure to acquire players to fill some huge voids in key spots - hiring a new coach ain't going to do it IMO ....this Brown's FO is under the same scrutiny IMO.

I still believe we're on the right track. We got a good defense, and we've got some quality talent on the offensive side too.

We just need a QB and a RB! LOL

[GAC]

Kiffin fired by Jerry.

Most Cowboy fans I know wish somebody would fire Jerry. They are still furious that defensive coordinator Rob Ryan was allowed to leave.

[GAC]

FWIW, Don Shula gave Philbin a vote of confidence.

Regis? :mooner:

[GAC]

In regards to Cleveland it seems like you fire Chud if you have a great coach lined up to take his place. However some of the names I hear in the rumor mill connected with the job seem like a horizontal move from Chud. So why not give him another yr.

I think, as the season progressed, huge philosophical differences (arguments) came to the surface as to certain players and direction.

That's the only thing I can make of (interpret) this FO now saying they "made a mistake".

Just another mistake on the Lake! :lol:

[GAC]

I never thought in million years I would ever come to say this, but I think I'm finished wasting good portions of my life rooting the Browns. How do you ask any coach to come into that circus by the lake and give him only a year to fix it? If they are truly firing Chudzinski, then I've lost any amount of respect that I had left for the organization. The NFL should do the city and the rest of the league a favor and blow up the stadium and and retire the franchise.

I feel your pain buddy... but don't give up on them yet. Give'em one more year!

[KoryMac5]

And torches PSU on his way out: http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/01/bill_obrien_the_outsider_arriv.html

PSU is a mess right now and O'Brien jumped ship at the right time. I think he should have chosen Detroit but not sure he was in the discussion there.

[jimbo]

I gotta get me one of these.

http://images.teespring.com/shirt_pic/223887/front.jpg?v=2013-12-30-21-11

http://teespring.com/threestooges

[KoryMac5]

Cleveland now has Vanderbilt coach Franklin and Auburn coach Malzahn on their wish list.

[Chip R]

PSU is a mess right now and O'Brien jumped ship at the right time. I think he should have chosen Detroit but not sure he was in the discussion there.

They did a lot better there than I thought they would.

[Tom Servo]

Hopefully Bill O can break the curse set by Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, and Josh McDaniels.

[traderumor]

Hopefully Bill O can break the curse set by Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, and Josh McDaniels.Curse or coordinator is their ceiling? I'd quit fishing off the Bellicheck peer.

[MWM]

I don't see how the Bengals don't lose Zimmer this offseason. Someone has to give him a chance as a HC. There's too many openings for it not to happen.

[Yachtzee]

I don't see how the Bengals don't lose Zimmer this offseason. Someone has to give him a chance as a HC. There's too many openings for it not to happen.

I thought the Browns might make another run at him but I haven't heard Zimmer's name come up anywhere yet. Of course it could be because the Bengals have games left to play. It will be interesting to see which jobs are still open when the Bengals are done. I wonder if Mike Brown lets Zimmer interview with other teams during the playoffs if the Bengals make a deep run.

[UKFlounder]

Cleveland said they won't interview any of the candidates they interviewed last year.

Also, it may be an NFL rule that Zimmer can't interview while the Bengals are alive. I think only coaches on teams that have byes can interview before their teams are done

[WVRed]

I don't see how the Bengals don't lose Zimmer this offseason. Someone has to give him a chance as a HC. There's too many openings for it not to happen.

Possibly but I don't think we're done seeing college openings either. NFL teams are looking for more outside the box thinking and that doesn't come from longtime NFL coordinators.

My take:

Washington: Needs to develop RGIII and will likely go with someone who has some familiarity with the read option. Could be Art Briles (if he doesn't go to Texas) or Kevin Sumlin from the college ranks or Greg Roman or Darrell Bevell from the NFL.

Minnesota: Probably the second worst job outside of Cleveland. I actually wouldn't be shocked if Jay Gruden ends up here though. Someone who can develop QB's and Gruden could either keep Ponder or draft someone like Manziel. Darrell Bevell is the other one being mentioned.

Cleveland: I seriously think this will be Josh McDaniels, although the thought of Malzahn is intriguing.

Detroit: I could see this being a landing spot for Zimmer, although they could go with an offensive mind. Todd Bowles from Arizona could be another player for this job.

Tampa Bay: Lovie Smith. I'd be shocked if it's anybody else. They want to return to the Tampa 2 ways and Lovie is the second best fit after Dungy.

Houston: I know they hired O'Brien already, but Houston IMO is the most likely team to contend right away. They need a franchise QB who can put fans in the seats and Bridgewater can do that, and he also has the weapons (Foster, Johnson, Hopkins) to be successful and compete in a relatively weak AFC South.

[jojo]

Malzahn isn't going to Cleveland.

[MWM]

Is it weird that I won't really be that disappointed if Jay Gruden winds up leaving? I really don't know why he's even a candidate for a HC job. Not that he's done a bad job, but I don't see what he's done that would warrant that kind of promotion.

[Yachtzee]

Cleveland said they won't interview any of the candidates they interviewed last year.

Also, it may be an NFL rule that Zimmer can't interview while the Bengals are alive. I think only coaches on teams that have byes can interview before their teams are done

Josh McDaniels seems to be the favorite, but it seems like his big selling point, other than working with Belicheck is that he's from Northeast Ohio. Seems like growing up a Browns fan didn't work out so well for Chud. I'd be interested to see why they think McDaniels would be different. The Browns always seem fixated on guys with ties to Belicheck or Northern Ohio. Maybe they need to cast a wider net. One name a Browns fan friend threw out there was talking to Jim Tressel. I don't know how successful he'd be but that kind of hire would immediately fire up the fan base and would fulfill their apparent requirement that the coach have some connection to Northeast Ohio.

[KoryMac5]

Lovie Smith to Tampa is a done deal according to ESPN.

[kaldaniels]

Josh McDaniels seems to be the favorite, but it seems like his big selling point, other than working with Belicheck is that he's from Northeast Ohio. Seems like growing up a Browns fan didn't work out so well for Chud. I'd be interested to see why they think McDaniels would be different. The Browns always seem fixated on guys with ties to Belicheck or Northern Ohio. Maybe they need to cast a wider net. One name a Browns fan friend threw out there was talking to Jim Tressel. I don't know how successful he'd be but that kind of hire would immediately fire up the fan base and would fulfill their apparent requirement that the coach have some connection to Northeast Ohio.

Forget the NE Ohio stuff. The majority of Browns fans don't care about where a guy is from. McDaniels is Lombardi's boy. That is why they are pursuing him.

I thought he was immature and over his head in Denver. But if the Browns land him, this blurb consoles me a bit.


http://nesn.com/2013/12/tom-brady-wants-josh-mcdaniels-to-stay-with-new-england-patriots-for-rest-of-my-life-calls-him-best-offensive-coach/



“I have so much respect for him and what he does for me, what he does for our team,” Brady said on WEEI’s Dennis & Callahan on Monday. “He’s just a great coach. He’s got a lot of poise. He’s got a lot of disciple. I hope he doesn’t go anywhere. I’d love for him to coach me the rest of my life. But that’s just the way it is. He’s one of my best friends, and I love having him.”

McDaniels is in his second stint with the Patriots (2001-2008 and 2011-present) after failing to find success during two seasons as head coach of the Denver Broncos and a short stopover as the offensive coordinator of the St. Louis Rams. McDaniels was the Patriots’ offensive coordinator for five seasons (2006-2008 and 2012-2013), and during those years, Brady was arguably at his best.

Brady won one of his two MVP awards and threw 133 of his 359 career touchdowns under McDaniels’ watch. McDaniels was also the offensive coordinator during the Patriots’ historic 2007 season, when Brady threw a then-record 50 touchdown passes. Brady has thrived especially since McDaniels returned as offensive coordinator last season, throwing for more than 9,000 yards, 59 touchdowns and just 19 interceptions over the last two seasons.

“Josh is the best offensive coach I could ever imagine,” Brady said. “He’s so prepared. He’s so confident in what he does. He figures out a way each week to get us in the best position as players to win.”

[Yachtzee]

Forget the NE Ohio stuff. The majority of Browns fans don't care about where a guy is from. McDaniels is Lombardi's boy. That is why they are pursuing him.

I thought he was immature and over his head in Denver. But if the Browns land him, this blurb consoles me a bit.


http://nesn.com/2013/12/tom-brady-wants-josh-mcdaniels-to-stay-with-new-england-patriots-for-rest-of-my-life-calls-him-best-offensive-coach/

I don't think Browns fans care where a guy comes from if he can win. It's more of a front office fixation that has persisted from Lerner to Haslem.

[kaldaniels]

I don't think Browns fans care where a guy comes from if he can win. It's more of a front office fixation that has persisted from Lerner to Haslem.

Eh, Chud was anywhere from their 6th-10th choice from what I've heard. Once they settled on him of course they hyped it up. Lombardi has always been a Josh McD fan. Those are more coincidental circumstances rather than "pursuing an Ohio guy".

Lerner's regime is dead to me...couldn't care less.

To be fair I did think you were referring to Browns fans, as I think that is how your final sentence grammatically read. Picky, I guess.

[IslandRed]

I was pretty critical of McDaniels at Denver -- like a lot of young hotshot coaches who had only worked for successful coaches and winning organizations, he seemed to think he knew everything there was to know. Sometimes these guys are really smart, just not quite as brilliant as they thought they were, and a dose of humility wises them up and they're better the second time around. He'll probably get another chance somewhere, if not Cleveland.

[Tom Servo]

Sometimes these guys are really smart, just not quite as brilliant as they thought they were, and a dose of humility wises them up and they're better the second time around.
And other times they're this guy.

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Lane+Kiffin+USC+v+Arizona+State+_TEh2-12Myil.jpg

[GAC]

I don't see how the Bengals don't lose Zimmer this offseason. Someone has to give him a chance as a HC. There's too many openings for it not to happen.

I guess the Vikings are going to interview him .... http://thevikingage.com/2013/12/31/vikings-will-interview-bengals-defensive-coordinator-mike-zimmer/


Browns expected to hire Jim Schwartz as defensive coordinator, according to report .... http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sbnation/SBNation_20140101_Browns_expected_to_hire_Jim_Schw artz_as_defensive_coordinator__according_to_report .html#JjKASwhtO4QMFJKo.99

AS far as any head coach candidates goes, it's worth noting that Brown's owner Haslam is a Tennessee booster and huge follower of the SEC. Iw ouldn't be surprised if our next head coach comes from that conference .....

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24394009/cleveland-browns-want-to-interview-auburns-malzahn-vandys-franklin


Malzahn, who will compete for the national title next week, is viewed by some as the candidate who has most captured the imagination of the organization right now, and, while he has flown under the radar of most NFL coaching searches to this point, he is very much under consideration by the Browns. Malzahn coaches in the SEC, which Browns owner Jimmy Haslam follows very closely as a Tennessee booster. This season Malzahn's Tigers beat Alabama, coached by Nick Saban, who is held in very high regard by the Browns front office.

Franklin coaches within the state of Tennessee, obviously catching Haslam's eye, and he was a successful NFL position coach at Green Bay as well. That combination has made him attractive to several teams, and league sources anticipate him getting consideration elsewhere as well.

Josh McDaniels has strong ties to some in the organization but would have to impress team president Joe Banner during the interview process to land the job. McDaniels is an Ohio native and has had great success on the offensive side of the ball, where the Browns must improve.

[GAC]

I gotta get me one of these.

http://images.teespring.com/shirt_pic/223887/front.jpg?v=2013-12-30-21-11

http://teespring.com/threestooges

Or one of these .......

http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/pict/111195491123_1.jpg

[Caveat Emperor]

I don't think 53 is too old to make the jump to the NFL.

It's too old to radically change yourself to the NFL lifestyle if you've never had ANY experience with it (as a coordinator or a positions coach even). You're trading hours schmoozing alums and pitching high school kids for hours locked in film rooms or coach meetings.

For a person who has never worked in the league, I think it's too rude an awakening.

[bucksfan2]

It's too old to radically change yourself to the NFL lifestyle if you've never had ANY experience with it (as a coordinator or a positions coach even). You're trading hours schmoozing alums and pitching high school kids for hours locked in film rooms or coach meetings.

For a person who has never worked in the league, I think it's too rude an awakening.

Pete Carroll did. Granted he had NFL experience before and left to get out of dodge, but he was an older coach who left college to go to the NFL. The only way I can see Stoops leaving Oklahoma is if he is starts getting pressure to win. I think he is a college coach and likes it there.

[RiverRat13]

Pete Carroll did. Granted he had NFL experience before and left to get out of dodge, but he was an older coach who left college to go to the NFL. The only way I can see Stoops leaving Oklahoma is if he is starts getting pressure to win. I think he is a college coach and likes it there.

Chip Kelly would be a better example since he had zero prior NFL experience.

[WVRed]

Malzahn isn't going to Cleveland.

So says the Auburn fan. I don't think he is either, but I am curious to see how well his offense would do in the NFL.


Is it weird that I won't really be that disappointed if Jay Gruden winds up leaving? I really don't know why he's even a candidate for a HC job. Not that he's done a bad job, but I don't see what he's done that would warrant that kind of promotion.

I think how he has gotten the most out of a mediocre QB will put him on the radar for teams who have similar QB's (Minnesota, Tennessee) or are looking to start over.

[jimbo]

Browns expected to hire Jim Schwartz as defensive coordinator, according to report .... http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sbnation/SBNation_20140101_Browns_expected_to_hire_Jim_Schw artz_as_defensive_coordinator__according_to_report .html#JjKASwhtO4QMFJKo.99

LOL, hiring a defensive coordinator before hiring a head coach. How many potential head coaches with good resumes and highly sought after would want to come into a situation where they don't even have input into their coaching staff?

What am I missing? Does this happen often?

[RiverRat13]

LOL, hiring a defensive coordinator before hiring a head coach. How many potential head coaches with good resumes and highly sought after would want to come into a situation where they don't even have input into their coaching staff?

What am I missing? Does this happen often?

Could be they know they have McDaniels lined up as HC and are going ahead and lining up his staff with his blessing.

[MWM]

Is Cleveland serious about McDaniels? This is the guy that insisted on using a #1 pick for Tim Tebow going to a franchise that hasn't had a good QB in..... well, a long frickin time. It's the thing holding them back the most and what they can't miss on again. I could see Norv Turner having a really hard time working under a young guy like McDaniels.

[Caveat Emperor]

Is Cleveland serious about McDaniels? This is the guy that insisted on using a #1 pick for Tim Tebow going to a franchise that hasn't had a good QB in..... well, a long frickin time. It's the thing holding them back the most and what they can't miss on again. I could see Norv Turner having a really hard time working under a young guy like McDaniels.

People keep shaking -- but the Bill Belichick coaching tree isn't going to bear fruit IMO.

[jojo]

So says the Auburn fan. I don't think he is either, but I am curious to see how well his offense would do in the NFL.

I wasn't speaking with my heart but rather specific knowledge. The dude loves the waffles in Auburn. But his offense would likely do very well in the NFL. It morphs to the talent of his roster. His offense leverages what skills he has to work with while ensuring that the offense can run the ball effectively.

The guy is an offensive genius, his offenses aren't gimmicky in the slightest, and really the speed of snap isn't that important though he'll ram it down a defenses throat if he feels it will grind them.

IMHO, Cleveland first needs a philosophy. I think theyre a little clueless right now. It wouldn't shock me though, if they made a serious run at Saban this weekend.

[Yachtzee]

Or one of these .......

http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/pict/111195491123_1.jpg

Too late for one of these.

http://i1.cpcache.com/product/527663063/chud_revolution_organic_mens_tshirt_dark.jpg?color =Pacific&height=460&width=460&qv=90

But maybe too early for this?

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-129486095020272_2271_3062567947

[Tom Servo]

Supposedly former Cal head coach Jeff Tedford is going to be Lovie's offensive coordinator in Tampa, which is interesting.

[Revering4Blue]

Is Cleveland serious about McDaniels? This is the guy that insisted on using a #1 pick for Tim Tebow going to a franchise that hasn't had a good QB in..... well, a long frickin time. It's the thing holding them back the most and what they can't miss on again. I could see Norv Turner having a really hard time working under a young guy like McDaniels.

And engineered the incredibly dumb Jay Cutler to Chicago trade.

No wonder that McDaniels was/is known as Josh McDoofus in Denver. The Browns can certainly do better than this.

[WVRed]

I wasn't speaking with my heart but rather specific knowledge. The dude loves the waffles in Auburn. But his offense would likely do very well in the NFL. It morphs to the talent of his roster. His offense leverages what skills he has to work with while ensuring that the offense can run the ball effectively.

The guy is an offensive genius, his offenses aren't gimmicky in the slightest, and really the speed of snap isn't that important though he'll ram it down a defenses throat if he feels it will grind them.

IMHO, Cleveland first needs a philosophy. I think theyre a little clueless right now. It wouldn't shock me though, if they made a serious run at Saban this weekend.

Cleveland needs someone like Mike Shanahan. Someone who can have full control and build a team from the ground up. Asking ownership and fans to be patient is a different story.

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[Revering4Blue]

Three 10-year-old girls share their advice on who Cleveland should hire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Miqa-oFkIBk

[Tom Servo]

But can Tressel pull off an orange/brown sweater vest?

[5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM]

Totally reasonable as well. This team was/is going nowhere without a QB. But without being able to pinpoint it, something was off this season. SEVERAL additional games were winnable but were coughed away due to various reasons.

Poor clock management and throwing away much needed timeouts were a big problem. That falls on the coach. Letting Josh Gordon lollygag on a regular basis. That falls on the coach. He may have lost a lot of personel, but there were many games they could and should have won but let slip when it counted. The Browns also seemed to be the only team in the league who couldn't run a screen to save their life. It was like they didn't even run through it in practice, and decided to try it in games. I didn't think he was the guy when they hired him, and he didn't convince me otherwise.

[GAC]

Three 10-year-old girls share their advice on who Cleveland should hire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Miqa-oFkIBk

Dude .... that was hilarious! :lol:

I've always like this Browns fan rant (Cleveland comedian Mike Polk) ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzDlaot20DE

I'll see ya Sunday! LOL

[GAC]

he Browns also seemed to be the only team in the league who couldn't run a screen to save their life. It was like they didn't even run through it in practice, and decided to try it in games.

This right here bugged the heck out of me all year as I watched every game. Especially with Jason Campbell. The guy could connect and make some beautiful long passes .... but he couldn't throw a screen pass, lead a receiver, to save his life. You had to be an acrobat to catch one of his screen passes.

[Tom Servo]

OU Head Coach and Ohio native Bob Stoops may have the inside track on the Cleveland Browns opening.

https://twitter.com/SoftliSTL/status/418939921420652544

[Caveat Emperor]

Supposedly former Cal head coach Jeff Tedford is going to be Lovie's offensive coordinator in Tampa, which is interesting.

QBs who were coached by Jeff Tedford in college tend to be awful pros.

What happens to pro QBs who are coached by Jeff Tedford?

[bucksfan2]

QBs who were coached by Jeff Tedford in college tend to be awful pros.

What happens to pro QBs who are coached by Jeff Tedford?

Except for that Aaron Rodgers guy.

[Caveat Emperor]

Except for that Aaron Rodgers guy.

Blind squirrel, nut.

Trent Dilfer, David Carr, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller all tell a different story.

[bucksfan2]

Blind squirrel, nut.

Trent Dilfer, David Carr, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller all tell a different story.

Its pretty impressive when you think that he not only produced a HOF QB but a slew of NFL QB's.

[GAC]

AZ Cardinal's defensive coordinator Todd Bowles in Cleveland today to be interviewed ...

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/3057/bowles-scheduled-to-be-in-cleveland-on-friday

[jimbo]

AZ Cardinal's defensive coordinator Todd Bowles in Cleveland today to be interviewed ...

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/3057/bowles-scheduled-to-be-in-cleveland-on-friday

Here comes the Browns savior. This is the guy who will turn it around. Losing in Cleveland is a thing of the past. Next!

[MWM]

Blind squirrel, nut.

Trent Dilfer, David Carr, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller all tell a different story.

How many college coaches have produced a high number of good quality NFL QBs? Is there someone out there with a demonstrably better resume than Tedford?

[Caveat Emperor]

How many college coaches have produced a high number of good quality NFL QBs? Is there someone out there with a demonstrably better resume than Tedford?

Tedford produced 1 good quality NFL QB. His skill (if you can even call it that) was producing guys who fooled NFL scouts into thinking they were worth 1st round picks.

FWIW, I'm intrigued by him as an NFL OC. It's especially interesting when you consider that Mike Glennon seems like a prototypical Tedford guy. I could see him thriving in a Tedford system that relies on a lot of play-action and rhythm throws.

[WVRed]

How many college coaches have produced a high number of good quality NFL QBs? Is there someone out there with a demonstrably better resume than Tedford?

To his credit, he did have Aaron Rodgers. :-)

[Tom Servo]

Leslie Frazier will be Lovie's DC in Tampa.

and apparently fellow former Viking head coach Mike Tice will join Frazier in Tampa. (http://thevikingage.com/2014/01/01/mike-tice-also-joining-lovie-smith-tampa-bay)

Everybody gets a job with Lovie!

[KoryMac5]

Munchak fired by Tenn today. A bit of a surprise as reports had him listed as being safe. Looks like ownership wanted changes in his staff. He was almost hired by Penn State 2 yrs ago after PAterno was fired.

[Caveat Emperor]

Leslie Frazier will be Lovie's DC in Tampa.

and apparently fellow former Viking head coach Mike Tice will join Frazier in Tampa. (http://thevikingage.com/2014/01/01/mike-tice-also-joining-lovie-smith-tampa-bay)

Everybody gets a job with Lovie!

After 2 years of Schiano, anything is an improvement.

[MWM]

Tedford produced 1 good quality NFL QB.

Right, I'm asking how many college coaches have produced more.

[dabvu2498]

Right, I'm asking how many college coaches have produced more.

David Cutcliffe. ;)

[KoryMac5]

Jay Gruden to Washington is the hot rumor on the NFL network.

[Caveat Emperor]

Jay Gruden to Washington is the hot rumor on the NFL network.

Gruden would be out of his mind to take this gig -- that's a dysfunctional franchise that's going absolutely nowhere as long as Dan Snyder is charge.

[Sea Ray]

Gruden would be out of his mind to take this gig -- that's a dysfunctional franchise that's going absolutely nowhere as long as Dan Snyder is charge.

Perhaps but Dan Snyder does pay well. Get a multiyear contract and be set for life financially

[Caveat Emperor]

Right, I'm asking how many college coaches have produced more.

Joe Tiller (Kyle Orton, Drew Brees)
Pete Carroll (Matt Cassel, Carson Palmer)
Tom O'Brien (Russell Wilson, Mike Glennon)

The point with Tedford is less the successes that he's had and more the abysmal failures. Though, I suppose it's arguable that an abysmal failure in the NFL is still preferable to the person who was judged as not talented enough to even be given a shot.

[MWM]

Joe Tiller (Kyle Orton, Drew Brees)
Pete Carroll (Matt Cassel, Carson Palmer)
Tom O'Brien (Russell Wilson, Mike Glennon)

The point with Tedford is less the successes that he's had and more the abysmal failures. Though, I suppose it's arguable that an abysmal failure in the NFL is still preferable to the person who was judged as not talented enough to even be given a shot.

So Kyle Orton counts as a quality NFL QB, but Trent Dilfer and Joey Harrington do not. And Matt Cassel? And Mike Glennon, who hasn't even played a full season.

Also, these lists are all 2 deep, and none of them....except for maybe Drew Brees...... is comparable to Aaron Rodgers. I'd say his resume with QBs is as good as anyone's has been over the last 20 years. But I also don't think the college coach is any kind of indication as to a QBs ability to succeed in the NFL. If that were the case, the list would look a lot differently. The college game and pro game are so different that I think some just have the ability to succeed over the long-term in the NFL. I don't think whether or not someone has that ability is going to change based on who they played for in college. If there's any correlation, I think it would be more based on a coaches ability to scout who is going to be good as opposed to how they develop them.

[Caveat Emperor]

So Kyle Orton counts as a quality NFL QB, but Trent Dilfer and Joey Harrington do not. And Matt Cassel? And Mike Glennon, who hasn't even played a full season.

Also, these lists are all 2 deep, and none of them....except for maybe Drew Brees...... is comparable to Aaron Rodgers. I'd say his resume with QBs is as good as anyone's has been over the last 20 years. But I also don't think the college coach is any kind of indication as to a QBs ability to succeed in the NFL. If that were the case, the list would look a lot differently. The college game and pro game are so different that I think some just have the ability to succeed over the long-term in the NFL. I don't think whether or not someone has that ability is going to change based on who they played for in college. If there's any correlation, I think it would be more based on a coaches ability to scout who is going to be good as opposed to how they develop them.

It's hard to compare QBs anymore, what with the way the rules are now so heavily skewed towards passing offenses -- but shockingly, Kyle Orton has a higher QBR (79.9) than Dilfer (70.2) or Harrington (69.4).

And, speaking as Bucs fan, I really like Mike Glennon. I think he played well given how the entire season was basically a dumpster fire burning around him, and I think that with a proper offensive scheme (not one that sends all your WRs vertical and trusts the QB to make a precision throw into coverage constantly) he could be a very good QB in the future.

My comment about Tedford wasn't entirely serious. QBs bust all the time from all sorts of coaches -- even coaches who have placed quality QBs into the league before. The difference between Tedford and the slew of other coaches is that lots of Tedford's guys got very public opportunities to fail.

[MWM]

And, speaking as Bucs fan, I really like Mike Glennon. I think he played well given how the entire season was basically a dumpster fire burning around him, and I think that with a proper offensive scheme (not one that sends all your WRs vertical and trusts the QB to make a precision throw into coverage constantly) he could be a very good QB in the future.


That may be true, but a lot of guys liked Harrington after his first year and a lot of guys disliked Brees, etc.... I find it interesting that NC State jettisoned Russell Wilson so they could start Glennon. Wisconsin was very grateful.

[IslandRed]

That was a weird situation. NC State didn't exactly want Wilson to leave, but Wilson wanted to play pro baseball that spring and summer and decide later if he felt like playing more college football that fall, which he could do anywhere because of the graduate-transfer rule. With Glennon around, O'Brien was able to say "okay, fine," instead of begging him to return. But yeah, Wisconsin ended up being very, VERY happy about that.

[dabvu2498]

That may be true, but a lot of guys liked Harrington after his first year and a lot of guys disliked Brees, etc.... I find it interesting that NC State jettisoned Russell Wilson so they could start Glennon. Wisconsin was very grateful.

IIRC, Wilson's transfer had a lot to do with his desire to play minor league baseball in the offseason.

[Slyder]

Was Tony Dungy that bad of a coach that he might never get another chance or his he still waiting out for his dream job ?

Why take the paycut? It's why I think Chuckie hasn't roamed an NFL sideline since Tampa fired him. You get all the luxuries and none of the migranes working for one of the media outlets.

[Tom Servo]

I think Dungy is done. Cowher and Gruden will eventually be head coaches again.

[Benihana]

Joe Tiller (Kyle Orton, Drew Brees)
Pete Carroll (Matt Cassel, Carson Palmer)
Tom O'Brien (Russell Wilson, Mike Glennon)

The point with Tedford is less the successes that he's had and more the abysmal failures. Though, I suppose it's arguable that an abysmal failure in the NFL is still preferable to the person who was judged as not talented enough to even be given a shot.

Ahem, Lloyd Carr? (Tom Brady, Brian Griese, Chad Henne)

He also had a couple of backups in Drew Henson (who could've been great had he not opted for baseball), Scott Dreisbach and John Navarre.

[Benihana]

I think Dungy is done. Cowher and Gruden will eventually be head coaches again.

I think Cowher may be done too.

[Sea Ray]

Why take the paycut? It's why I think Chuckie hasn't roamed an NFL sideline since Tampa fired him. You get all the luxuries and none of the migranes working for one of the media outlets.

Recently hired coaches are getting about $5mill/yr. I can't imagine Gruden's making anywhere near that much for ESPN

[bucksfan2]

Recently hired coaches are getting about $5mill/yr. I can't imagine Gruden's making anywhere near that much for ESPN

I would venture to guess that Gruden may be ESPN's highest paid employee. Tag along what he gets from speaking and personal engagements and his compensation package is up there.

I think Gruden is a guy who has achieved the peak of coaching and likes where he is at now. There is much more flexibility, more freedom, and the demands aren't anywhere close to what they were in coaching.

[IslandRed]

Gruden's making over $4 million just from ESPN, and with other deals/activities, I've read that his total annual income may be in the $7 million range. He doesn't need to coach for the money.

[Revering4Blue]

Ahem, Lloyd Carr? (Tom Brady, Brian Griese, Chad Henne)

He also had a couple of backups in Drew Henson (who could've been great had he not opted for baseball), Scott Dreisbach and John Navarre.

Carr also recruited Ryan Mallett, who played for Carr as a freshman. So, for all practical purposes, he counts.

[Hoosier Red]

Gruden's making over $4 million just from ESPN, and with other deals/activities, I've read that his total annual income may be in the $7 million range. He doesn't need to coach for the money.

When Steve Lavin finally went back to coaching at St. Johns, it hit me how much more I would enjoy being an analyst rather than a coach. Sure, the travel's probably more than as a head coach since there is no real "home game" but it seems like most analysts have a small geographical base they cover anyway.

[IslandRed]

Ahem, Lloyd Carr? (Tom Brady, Brian Griese, Chad Henne)

He also had a couple of backups in Drew Henson (who could've been great had he not opted for baseball), Scott Dreisbach and John Navarre.

Well, it's hard to give credit for "developing quarterbacks" to guys who don't directly coach the quarterbacks. Or even the offense. :cool: Same with Pete Carroll. Maybe there was a QB guru on Carr's staff, I don't know.

[BillDoran]

Well, it's hard to give credit for "developing quarterbacks" to guys who don't directly coach the quarterbacks. Or even the offense. :cool: Same with Pete Carroll. Maybe there was a QB guru on Carr's staff, I don't know.

A Michigan Man (;)) could probably answer this better than me, but I remember QB Coach Scott Loeffler getting a lot of credit for development during his time in Ann Arbor.

[Yachtzee]

I think Gruden, Dungy, and Cowher have all been approached about coaching vacancies in recent years, but each declined to be interviewed.

[jojo]

A Michigan Man (;)) could probably answer this better than me, but I remember QB Coach Scott Loeffler getting a lot of credit for development during his time in Ann Arbor.

Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.

[Caveat Emperor]

I think Gruden, Dungy, and Cowher have all been approached about coaching vacancies in recent years, but each declined to be interviewed.

The life of a studio analyst is hard to give up -- great money, easier work hours, but still around the game.

Those guys all have rings too. I think the itch to jump back into coaching isn't quite as strong if you've got some hardware you can admire on the shelf.

[KoryMac5]

People close to Gruden say he would come back for the right job, not just any job. The 7 mil makes it easier to turn down just any job.

[Yachtzee]

The life of a studio analyst is hard to give up -- great money, easier work hours, but still around the game.

Those guys all have rings too. I think the itch to jump back into coaching isn't quite as strong if you've got some hardware you can admire on the shelf.

I was thinking that too. After you've won the Super Bowl, I'm guessing it's tough to want to go back to pulling all-nighters game planning for the next opponent and knowing one bad season can find you out of a job. Meanwhile, as an analyst, you get to sleep nights, still get a great paycheck, and don't have to worry about your job unless you say something outrageously offensive.

[Caveat Emperor]

The guy who I'm surprised has never gotten the itch to come back is Steve Mariucci -- he got blown out of a bad situation in Detroit (where, let's face it, even good situations are teetering on the bad) with Matt Millen as his GM, but has been parked at the NFL network ever since.

He was still in his 40s when he got fired and I thought he had at least 1 more run in him.

[Revering4Blue]

Breathe easy, Browns fans.


According to Adam Schefter, New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has withdrawn from consideration for the Cleveland Browns head coaching job.


Per ESPN.

[Tom Servo]

That's pretty hilarious. Last year the Browns hire Chudzinski because all of the guys on the top of their list didn't want the job. So now they fire Chudzinski and already a guy at the top of their list doesn't want the job.

[Benihana]

That's pretty hilarious. Last year the Browns hire Chudzinski because all of the guys on the top of their list didn't want the job. So now they fire Chudzinski and already a guy at the top of their list doesn't want the job.

Apparently he withdrew precisely because he wasn't at the top of their list. At least according to PFT. I hope this doesn't resurrect talk of Zimmer going up I-71. That would suck (as a Bengals fan).

[GAC]

Breathe easy, Browns fans.

That's good news as far as I'm concerned, because I didn't want him to get the job.

I think the highlighted (below) are two solid reasons he removed himself from consideration....

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/patriots-offensive-coordinator-josh-mcdaniels-withdraws-browns-coaching-203637937--nfl.html



There are plenty of reasons why McDaniels may have decided he was not interested.

Cleveland’s roster lacks significant talent. Outside of receiver Josh Gordon, tight end Jordan Cameron, cornerback Joe Haden, tackle Joe Thomas and center Alex Mack, the Browns could upgrade at nearly every other position.

In addition, the organization gave up on running back Trent Richardson after one season, plus fired coach Rob Chudzinski after one year. That is not the stable environment worth leaving New England, especially if McDaniels believes he could coach the Patriots after Bill Belichick’s eventual departure.

Besides, Cleveland is the same organization that once fired Belichick.

The Browns need a QB and a RB. Two key positions obviously. They have 10 draft picks (including two in the first round). They were wise in amassing selections, and these, as well as a few other spots, can be addressed.

The big question is ..... will they be wise in who they draft? ;)

[bucksfan2]

That's good news as far as I'm concerned, because I didn't want him to get the job.

I think the highlighted (below) are two solid reasons he removed himself from consideration....

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/patriots-offensive-coordinator-josh-mcdaniels-withdraws-browns-coaching-203637937--nfl.html




The Browns need a QB and a RB. Two key positions obviously. They have 10 draft picks (including two in the first round). They were wise in amassing selections, and these, as well as a few other spots, can be addressed.

The big question is ..... will they be wise in who they draft? ;)

Trent Richardson and Brandon Wheedon
Joe Thomas and Brady Quinn

Cleveland and two picks in the first round hasn't exactly worked out for them in the past.

[Caveat Emperor]

So Jay Gruden to DC. I like the hire a lot more than others, apparently. I just think he walked into a bad situation with Snyder as a meddlesome owner.

[RichRed]

So Jay Gruden to DC. I like the hire a lot more than others, apparently. I just think he walked into a bad situation with Snyder as a meddlesome owner.

At least it appears the GM Allen was allowed to hire the guy he wanted, not that I hold out much hope for a non-circus atmosphere at the first sign of trouble.

[Yachtzee]

At least it appears the GM Allen was allowed to hire the guy he wanted, not that I hold out much hope for a non-circus atmosphere at the first sign of trouble.

I wish him well, as long as they're not playing the Bengals.

[Benihana]

Word is Zimmer is headed to Minnesota. That sucks.

Guess we'll get to see in 2014 if Marvin is as good of a coach as Yachtzee and others thinks he is. Bill Belichek can lose both of his coordinators and not miss a beat. Can Marvin?

[Hillsdale87]

Word is Zimmer is headed to Minnesota. That sucks.


All I've seen is that he's got a 2nd interview. But there are other guys getting 2nd interviews there too. Is there any more news?

[Yachtzee]

All I've seen is that he's got a 2nd interview. But there are other guys getting 2nd interviews there too. Is there any more news?

The NFL app is saying the Vikings are waiting to talk to 49ers Greg Roman before granting 2nd interviews.

[Benihana]

All I've seen is that he's got a 2nd interview. But there are other guys getting 2nd interviews there too. Is there any more news?


ESPN's Adam Caplan reports the Vikings will give Bengals DC Mike Zimmer a second interview for their head-coaching vacancy early next week.

The Vikings appear to be closing in on a deal with Zimmer, who emerged as the favorite to succeed Leslie Frazier this past week. Some unconfirmed rumors have claimed Zimmer would tab Scott Linehan as his offensive coordinator, though we'll find out for sure soon enough. Zimmer would keep Minnesota's 3-4 defense in place, likely using Sharrif Floyd in a Geno Atkins-type role.

[MWM]

Let's hope that their history with former Cincinnati defensive coaches scared them away. :)

I'm mostly kidding. Zimmer deserves it.

[GAC]

Trent Richardson and Brandon Wheedon
Joe Thomas and Brady Quinn

Cleveland and two picks in the first round hasn't exactly worked out for them in the past.

True. But you can say that about a lot of teams with 1st rounders. I'm just putting faith in the new management they'll get it right this time. We'll see.

And I certainly wouldn't include OL Joe Thomas on that list. That was a solid draft. The guy has been a workhorse. Same thing with another 1st rounder, C Alex Mack.

But I certainly agree that the Browns haven't had much success in the 1st round when it comes to the offensive side of the ball, and key spots like QB and RB. They've had far more success in the draft on defense.

[Redsfaithful]

I'd really like to see the Bengals go after Alex Mack. They don't usually sign expensive free agents, but what a boost that would be.

[Tom Servo]

Albert Breer
‏@AlbertBreer
You get the increasing feeling, talking to people around the league, that the Browns job is seen as radioactive. Tough spot for them.

[KoryMac5]

NFL networks Albert Breer reports the Browns job is viewed as radioactive by the rest of the league.

Seems most candidate have been calling Chud to ask what went down and to discuss what kind of a landing spot it would be for them.

I think Gase ultimately goes for the job.

[Yachtzee]

Albert Breer
‏@AlbertBreer
You get the increasing feeling, talking to people around the league, that the Browns job is seen as radioactive. Tough spot for them.

That's what happens when you fire a guy after one season. Other candidates question whether the FO will support them through the transition period or dump them as a scapegoat if the team has another poor season.

[WVRed]

That's what happens when you fire a guy after one season. Other candidates question whether the FO will support them through the transition period or dump them as a scapegoat if the team has another poor season.

I kinda wonder if the Browns would end up in a situation like the Brewers when they fired Ken Macha a few years ago. Not being able to find anybody to take the job and have to rehire Chudzinski just to have someone.

[JaxRed]

I kinda wonder if the Browns would end up in a situation like the Brewers when they fired Ken Macha a few years ago. Not being able to find anybody to take the job and have to rehire Chudzinski just to have someone.

I bet you they could find 50 assistant coaches right now who will take the job.

[jimbo]

I bet you they could find 50 assistant coaches right now who will take the job.

50 assistant coaches who no other team would hire as a HC.

[Caveat Emperor]

Greg Schiano is looking for work. ;)

[Slyder]

Albert Breer
‏@AlbertBreer
You get the increasing feeling, talking to people around the league, that the Browns job is seen as radioactive. Tough spot for them.

This is what happens when you fire a guy after one season and not even have the excuse that he was a different administrations pick. How can anyone legitimately view the job as having ANY security? No one is going to want it. Maybe Marty Schottenwhinner will want to come out of retirement for another go at it!

[KoryMac5]

Munchak interviewed with Cleveland. Whisenhunt is set to make a decision in the next to days between Detroit and the Titans. Minnesota should make a decision Tuesday or Weds on their search.

[jimbo]

Munchak interviewed with Cleveland.

Munchak got canned because the Titans FO wanted him to fire his assistants and he refused. Doesn't seem like he fits the "yes man" HC description that the Browns FO is looking for.

[Tom Servo]

After losing out on Whisenhunt to Tennessee yesterday, Detroit just hired Jim Caldwell.

[jimbo]

It looks as if Adam Gace is the newest flavor of the day in the Browns HC search. I can't see him leaving Denver if Manning decides to stay another year, but that decision may take several months after they are finished.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cleveland-browns-holding-adam-gase-could-burn-them-173100122--nfl.html

[WVRed]

After losing out on Whisenhunt to Tennessee yesterday, Detroit just hired Jim Caldwell.

29th ranked offense in the NFL under Caldwell. Detroit could have done better.

[bucksfan2]

29th ranked offense in the NFL under Caldwell. Detroit could have done better.

I don't get the allure of Caldwell. He was hand picked buy Dungy to coach the Colts with Manning. Then without Manning his team is #1 overall pick bad. He did take Manning to his second Super Bowl, a feat in itself. I have always thought he was a meh coach. Not a bad coach but not a great one either. I can see why a team like Detroit with talent up and down the roster went with a "safe" coach. I am a little surprised Caldwell got a HC gig as soon as he did.

[MWM]

Caldwell? Really? That organization just doesn't get it.

Detroit had to be one of the most attractive jobs for HC candidates. They have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball. They have severely underachieved the last couple of years and a good coach could instantly elevate them to legit contenders. Why they'd settle for a guy like Caldwell is beyond me.

[Chip R]

I don't get the allure of Caldwell. He was hand picked buy Dungy to coach the Colts with Manning. Then without Manning his team is #1 overall pick bad. He did take Manning to his second Super Bowl, a feat in itself. I have always thought he was a meh coach. Not a bad coach but not a great one either. I can see why a team like Detroit with talent up and down the roster went with a "safe" coach. I am a little surprised Caldwell got a HC gig as soon as he did.

I'm not quite sure what Caldwell was in the past, offense or defense. You could say DET has all the tools in place to have a great offense and a great defense. It just seems like the past few years they lost focus. Stupid penalties, dumb interceptions and the like. Undisciplined might be a good word for it. Stafford's a fine QB; Megatron is Magatron; Reggie Bush is a pretty good back when he stays healthy and their D-Line is pretty tough with Suh and the like. Maybe they think Caldwell is the guy who can help them there. I think a good match would be Coughlin but he's still with the Giants.

[bucksfan2]

I'm not quite sure what Caldwell was in the past, offense or defense. You could say DET has all the tools in place to have a great offense and a great defense. It just seems like the past few years they lost focus. Stupid penalties, dumb interceptions and the like. Undisciplined might be a good word for it. Stafford's a fine QB; Megatron is Magatron; Reggie Bush is a pretty good back when he stays healthy and their D-Line is pretty tough with Suh and the like. Maybe they think Caldwell is the guy who can help them there. I think a good match would be Coughlin but he's still with the Giants.

Caldwell was the Ravens OC prior to taking the Lions job. The Lions played like a bunch of idiots and that is primarily why they didn't make the playoffs. I think they took after their coach, Schwartz who was pretty bad on the sidelines. The shocking thing to me is everyone knew that he Lions had the most talent out of any available position this off season and they went with Caldwell. He may be a stabilizing force that eliminates the bad penalties and stupid Schwartz moves, but is this really the best they could do?

[Sea Ray]

I don't get the allure of Caldwell. He was hand picked buy Dungy to coach the Colts with Manning. Then without Manning his team is #1 overall pick bad. He did take Manning to his second Super Bowl, a feat in itself. I have always thought he was a meh coach. Not a bad coach but not a great one either. I can see why a team like Detroit with talent up and down the roster went with a "safe" coach. I am a little surprised Caldwell got a HC gig as soon as he did.

Steven A Smith is railing on ESPN today about why Whisenhunt and Andy Reid got jobs so quickly and Caldwell had to wait until now. Of course his explanation is race.

I more see it your way...:thumbup:

[BillDoran]

Caldwell was the Ravens OC prior to taking the Lions job. The Lions played like a bunch of idiots and that is primarily why they didn't make the playoffs. I think they took after their coach, Schwartz who was pretty bad on the sidelines. The shocking thing to me is everyone knew that he Lions had the most talent out of any available position this off season and they went with Caldwell. He may be a stabilizing force that eliminates the bad penalties and stupid Schwartz moves, but is this really the best they could do?

To double down on the questionable decision making, it sounds like they're bringing in Ron Prince as OC. He of the 78th highest scoring offense in FBS.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/14/oc-ron-prince-reportedly-leaving-rutgers-for-detroit-lions/

[bucksfan2]

Steven A Smith is railing on ESPN today about why Whisenhunt and Andy Reid got jobs so quickly and Caldwell had to wait until now. Of course his explanation is race.

I more see it your way...:thumbup:

I am not a big Tony Dungy fan, I think he was a mediocre coach who had a nice run with a QB who will go down as one of the top two in his generation. Caldwell gets a lot of credit for being a Dungy disciple just like assistant coaches with Belichick. I just wonder how many coaches get another gig after winning 2 games and getting the #1 pick?

Steven A Smith would have a point, however, I have never heard him or anyone else making a case for Brian Billick getting another coaching gig. I don't think he is a very good head coach but he did win a super bowl and was a very good OC. If your asking me about coaches, Reed and Whisenhunt are heads and shoulders better than Caldwell. Maybe that is what it comes down to.

[KoryMac5]

They hired Caldwell, to help Stafford. Manning raves about the work Caldwell did with him. I just don't know if Stafford is the type of QB to sit down and watch film for hours like Manning does.

[Chip R]

They hired Caldwell, to help Stafford. Manning raves about the work Caldwell did with him. I just don't know if Stafford is the type of QB to sit down and watch film for hours like Manning does.

To be fair, I don't know if any QB watches as much film as Manning does.

I don't think the DET job is that desirable. Better than CLE but that's not saying a lot. They have been perpetually mediocre - and sometimes awful - for the past 50-60 years. They do have some superb players and are in a mediocre division. Their talent level should be enough to get them into the playoffs. But I would hope the fans of DET are hoping for better than a one and done playoff appearance. I don't know if Caldwell is the guy to do it but there aren't exactly a lot of great choices out there.

[Tom Servo]

The Vikings are reportedly close to landing Norv Turner as Offensive Coordinator, which would be a tremendous boon to Mike Zimmer's new staff.

[Yachtzee]

The Vikings are reportedly close to landing Norv Turner as Offensive Coordinator, which would be a tremendous boon to Mike Zimmer's new staff.

Is Norv Turner really that great? It seems like he built a great reputation with the Cowboys in the '90s, but his record as a head coach and offensive coordinator has been up and down ever since. He seems like one of those overrated coaches they talk about getting opportunity after opportunity while some bright young minds get passed over.

[Tom Servo]

Is Norv Turner really that great? It seems like he built a great reputation with the Cowboys in the '90s, but his record as a head coach and offensive coordinator has been up and down ever since. He seems like one of those overrated coaches they talk about getting opportunity after opportunity while some bright young minds get passed over.
I think he is a pretty damn good OC. He oversaw an effective Dolphins offense in the early 00s and Alex Smith absolutely loved him in his one year as the Niners OC. And Josh Gordon had a breakout year this last year and really the fact that the Browns weren't dead last in all offensive categories means Norv deserves some credit, IMO.

He's just not cut out to be a successful head coach.

[KoryMac5]

For some odd reason Jerry Jones has decided to retain Monte Kiffin. There is no joy in Dallas today!

[Sea Ray]

For some odd reason Jerry Jones has decided to retain Monte Kiffin. There is no joy in Dallas today!

So this report was bogus?


Kiffin fired by Jerry.

[KoryMac5]

So this report was bogus?

I should know by now that only 5% of what you read on the ESPN ticker is true.

[KoryMac5]

Mike Pettine to interview with the Browns for a second time. Supposedly he impressed during his first round of interviews.

[Tom Servo]

So the Browns coaching search is going swimmingly.

[top6]

Mike Pettine to interview with the Browns for a second time. Supposedly he impressed during his first round of interviews.

Of course in Cleveland all he had to do to impress was express some interest in the job.

[KoryMac5]

Pettine expects to hear back from the Browns by the end of today.

[westofyou]

Of course in Cleveland all he had to do to impress was express some interest in the job.

http://www.sportspickle.com/2014/01/browns-hire-adorable-stray-kitten-new-head-coach

[KoryMac5]

ESPN Adam Schefter says Pettine is the fall back option as the Browns are still interviewing others.

[Joseph]

Mike Pettine to interview with the Browns for a second time. Supposedly he impressed during his first round of interviews.

That was like, months ago. How would anyone remember he impressed anyone?

[Tom Servo]

The Browns interviewed ex-Bucs coach Greg Schiano for their head-coaching vacancy on Wednesday.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1924f3roh8y37gif/ku-xlarge.gif

[Tom Servo]

Bills DC Mike Pettine will fly to Cleveland on Thursday for his third head-coaching interview with the Browns.


Hopefully his fourth, fifth, and sixth interviews go well too.

[Wonderful Monds]

Cleveland Browns: Schiano men

[Tom Servo]

Cleveland Browns: Schiano men
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/3439701/armlesstackle.gif

[dabvu2498]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/45135570.jpg

[Tom Servo]

Tony Grossi of ESPNCleveland.com reports that the Browns and Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels have had “more conversations” this week, and that McDaniels is “possibly back in the mix” for the job.

[Caveat Emperor]

Cleveland Browns: Schiano men

This would make me so happy.

Though, knowing Tampa's luck, he'll go to Cleveland and have them in the Super Bowl by 2016.

[jojo]

Cleveland is dragging it's feet because they are despeately trying to convince Saban to come on board and Saban's agent is playing absolute hardball.

In the public eye, it's a dance with nflers. In the back channels is an extreme covert operation that is making Cleveland look really silly publically and could ultimate leave them with a coach they don't really want.

[Sea Ray]

Cleveland is dragging it's feet because they are despeately trying to convince Saban to come on board and Saban's agent is playing absolute hardball.

In the public eye, it's a dance with nflers. In the back channels is an extreme covert operation that is making Cleveland look really silly publically and could ultimate leave them with a coach they don't really want.

Of all the NFL teams, why would Saban go to Cleveland? Men with far less going for them have turned them down

[Tom Servo]

Of all the NFL teams, why would Saban go to Cleveland? Men with far less going for them have turned them down
http://tracking.si.com/2012/12/10/nick-saban-cleveland-browns-coach/

From last year, but still.

[Sea Ray]

http://tracking.si.com/2012/12/10/nick-saban-cleveland-browns-coach/

From last year, but still.

I like this quote from that article:


Haslam’s role as an influential University of Tennessee booster, could come into play if he’s able to lure Saban away from SEC rival Alabama.

[KoryMac5]

I am sure a call was made to Saban by the Browns and I am sure it was rebuffed quickly when he made his demands known to the team. Saban isn't going to leave Bama without getting total control of that franchise. I don't think the Stooges want to give that up.

[jimbo]

Sounds as if Pettine is the man in Cleveland. Color me unimpressed.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10338529/mike-pettine-expected-offered-job-cleveland-browns

Rumor has it that the Stooges are offering him an eight game contract, with an option for another eight. :D

[jimbo]

It's official......Pettine hired as the Browns HC.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10330448/cleveland-browns-tab-mike-pettine-next-coach

So let me get this straight. The Browns hire the DC of the team their putrid offense scored the most points on the entire season? You really can't make this stuff up. :lol:

[GAC]

You're on fire jimbo! :thumbup:

But did the Bills have the personnel (coach-able talent) on the defensive side of the ball like the Browns do? What did he have to work with?

He's got some pretty solid defensive credentials (learned from some of the best, like Brian Billick and Rex Ryan).

But he has never worked on the offensive side of the ball. That's where the question mark comes in.

CEO Banner .....

"From that group, we hired the best individual for this job. Our players and fans are going to really enjoy Mike Pettine and his leadership style. We're excited to have him out in front of our team, and we look forward to working closely with him."

We'll see.

I think this team can be much improved if the right personnel are drafted on the offensive side.

[Benihana]

You're on fire jimbo! :thumbup:

But did the Bills have the personnel (coach-able talent) on the defensive side of the ball like the Browns do? What did he have to work with?

He's got some pretty solid defensive credentials (learned from some of the best, like Brian Billick and Rex Ryan).

But he has never worked on the offensive side of the ball. That's where the question mark comes in.

CEO Banner .....

"From that group, we hired the best individual for this job. Our players and fans are going to really enjoy Mike Pettine and his leadership style. We're excited to have him out in front of our team, and we look forward to working closely with him."

We'll see.

I think this team can be much improved if the right personnel are drafted on the offensive side.

Not to kick a man while he's down, but the Bills had like five first round picks on D. Mario Williams, Marcel Dareus, Stephon Gilmore, Leodis McKelvin, and even Kiko Alonso (2nd rounder but probable ROY)

[Tom Servo]

Jim Schwartz hired as Buffalo's defensive coordinator following Pettine's departure. Pretty good replacement.

[Yachtzee]

Browns fire Mike Pettine. ;)

http://profootballmock.com/browns-fire-new-head-coach-sixteen-hours-job/


I don't know what's funnier, the article or the fact that opinion of the Browns is so low now that I know people who actually believed it, or at least thought it was plausible when they heard it.

[jimbo]

Browns fire Mike Pettine. ;)

http://profootballmock.com/browns-fire-new-head-coach-sixteen-hours-job/


I don't know what's funnier, the article or the fact that opinion of the Browns is so low now that I know people who actually believed it, or at least thought it was plausible when they heard it.

What's even funnier is that the Stooges claim it's all media driven.

[GAC]

Not to kick a man while he's down, but the Bills had like five first round picks on D. Mario Williams, Marcel Dareus, Stephon Gilmore, Leodis McKelvin, and even Kiko Alonso (2nd rounder but probable ROY)

I stand corrected. :thumbup:

Also, upon a little research, the Bill's defense was top 10 in the NFL last year, and 2nd in the league in sacks and INTs.

Browns have also asked permission to talk with the Bill's linebacker coach Jim O'Neil, who was brought to the Bills from the Jets by Pettine. And in his four years with the Jets, their defense put up some pretty solid numbers.

But Brown fans already know their team has a pretty strong defense. Maybe now they can address the woes on the offensive side? Is that too much to ask?

Maybe they should take QBs with both their 1st round picks, so between the three (including Hoyer) we might hit on one of them! LOL

There were rumors over the last few days that Gary Kubiak was being looked at for offensive coordinator ... which I would have loved ... but he's taken his name off the list, and it appears he will take the year off for health reasons.

The Browns ownership is going to regret, IMO, letting Norv Tuner get away. But I guess they had to after he angrily blasted them in a face-to face coaching meeting after the firing of Chud. But what Norv said to them was right on the money!

Norv is now teamed with ex-Bengal coach Zimmerman in Minnesota.

What the heck is Lindy Infante doing these days? LOL

[Sea Ray]

I stand corrected. :thumbup:

Also, upon a little research, the Bill's defense was top 10 in the NFL last year, and 2nd in the league in sacks and INTs.

Browns have also asked permission to talk with the Bill's linebacker coach Jim O'Neil, who was brought to the Bills from the Jets by Pettine. And in his four years with the Jets, their defense put up some pretty solid numbers.

But Brown fans already know their team has a pretty strong defense. Maybe now they can address the woes on the offensive side? Is that too much to ask?

Maybe they should take QBs with both their 1st round picks, so between the three (including Hoyer) we might hit on one of them! LOL

There were rumors over the last few days that Gary Kubiak was being looked at for offensive coordinator ... which I would have loved ... but he's taken his name off the list, and it appears he will take the year off for health reasons.

The Browns ownership is going to regret, IMO, letting Norv Tuner get away. But I guess they had to after he angrily blasted them in a face-to face coaching meeting after the firing of Chud. But what Norv said to them was right on the money!

Norv is now teamed with ex-Bengal coach Zimmerman in Minnesota.

What the heck is Lindy Infante doing these days? LOL
So you like the hire?

[KoryMac5]

Pettine reminds me a lot of Coughlin, hard nosed and organized. I think he will grow on the fans in Cleveland.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/01/mike_pettines_career_gamble_to.html

[KoryMac5]

The Miami situation has taken a turn for the worse. The botched GM search is over but several players have asked off the sinking ship.

[kaldaniels]

It's official......Pettine hired as the Browns HC.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10330448/cleveland-browns-tab-mike-pettine-next-coach

So let me get this straight. The Browns hire the DC of the team their putrid offense scored the most points on the entire season? You really can't make this stuff up. :lol:

Just saw this remark. Sadly it is not true.

[Yachtzee]

Pettine reminds me a lot of Coughlin, hard nosed and organized. I think he will grow on the fans in Cleveland.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/01/mike_pettines_career_gamble_to.html

Rightly or wrongly, he's going to have to deal with some skepticism from Browns fans. The way management botched the firing of Chud and the coaching search, he's got the stigma of the guy they settled for rather than the guy they actually wanted. I think the only way he's going to win over some fans will be to win football games. I've always found many of my friends who are Browns fans to be pretty optimistic about the team and generally willing to give the team the benefit of the doubt when it comes to coaching hires. But as of late they sound more like Bengals fans in their pessimistic view on the situation.

[WVRed]

Rightly or wrongly, he's going to have to deal with some skepticism from Browns fans. The way management botched the firing of Chud and the coaching search, he's got the stigma of the guy they settled for rather than the guy they actually wanted. I think the only way he's going to win over some fans will be to win football games. I've always found many of my friends who are Browns fans to be pretty optimistic about the team and generally willing to give the team the benefit of the doubt when it comes to coaching hires. But as of late they sound more like Bengals fans in their pessimistic view on the situation.

The Browns died when Art Modell moved the team to Baltimore and ripped the heart out of Cleveland.

The post-Modell Browns have been terrible, like Vancouver Grizzlies terrible. I really believe Haslam could move the team to LA right now and nobody would care.

[Caveat Emperor]

Pettine reminds me a lot of Coughlin, hard nosed and organized. I think he will grow on the fans in Cleveland.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/01/mike_pettines_career_gamble_to.html

Hard-nosed and organized is great as long as you win football games. You tend to lose a locker room really quickly with a "my way or the highway" attitude if the "my way" part doesn't produce in the W-L column.

[KoryMac5]

Hard-nosed and organized is great as long as you win football games. You tend to lose a locker room really quickly with a "my way or the highway" attitude if the "my way" part doesn't produce in the W-L column.

I think Pettine is more Zimmer than Schiano. But time will tell, he will at least get 2 yrs.

[KoryMac5]

The Cowboys dysfunction continues: Scott Linehan will be hired to call plays for the the team while Bill Callahan will not be allowed out of his contract. Callahan had been rumored to the Browns as OC if Linehan was hired.

[GAC]

So you like the hire?

I like it. I just hope our ownership does! :lol:

[GAC]

The Browns died when Art Modell moved the team to Baltimore and ripped the heart out of Cleveland.

The post-Modell Browns have been terrible, like Vancouver Grizzlies terrible. I really believe Haslam could move the team to LA right now and nobody would care.

Other than the fact they've been terrible, the above is just not true. They have one of the strongest, most loyal fan bases that stretches even world-wide (see Browns Backers), and a solid market. That's why the city fought and took legal action, and why the NFL intervened and worked out a compromise. And since 1999 Cleveland Browns have consistently sold out the 73,200 seats for every home game. Can they claim that in Cincy, and numerous other NFL cities? ;)

[bucksfan2]

Other than the fact they've been terrible, the above is just not true. They have one of the strongest, most loyal fan bases that stretches even world-wide (see Browns Backers), and a solid market. That's why the city fought and took legal action, and why the NFL intervened and worked out a compromise. And since 1999 Cleveland Browns have consistently sold out the 73,200 seats for every home game. Can they claim that in Cincy, and numerous other NFL cities? ;)

The Browns have a large fan base that was a result of them being a dominant team in the early years of football. Their fan base stretches across Ohio and into some areas of Dayton and even Cincinnati. Granted the Bengals have pretty much grabbed Dayton from the Browns and have turned Columbus into almost a split town.

Ever since Modell took the Browns to Baltimore they have been a model of dysfunction. Since 99 they have been the Bungles, Aints, and Phoenix Cardinals all rolled into one. It has been a bevy of missed draft picks, a turnstile of coaches. An owner who liked his EPL team better than his NFL team and an owner being investigated by the FBI. The fact that they have sold out every home game since 99 is a shock to me, I don't know to be impressed or saddened by that.

[RichRed]

The Cowboys dysfunction continues: Scott Linehan will be hired to call plays for the the team while Bill Callahan will not be allowed out of his contract. Callahan had been rumored to the Browns as OC if Linehan was hired.

Linehan will be their third different play caller in as many years, despite ranking 5th in the NFL in total points scored last year (one more TD and they would've been 3rd).

[bucksfan2]

Linehan will be their third different play caller in as many years, despite ranking 5th in the NFL in total points scored last year (one more TD and they would've been 3rd).

I thought their play calling was pretty poor at times. One such example really sticks in my head as how NOT to manage a clock. Dallas was @ NYG, tie game, ball within FG range (albeit a 45 or so yarder), under 2 minutes and NYG couldn't stop the clock. Dallas had time outs and was in complete control. Worst case scenario should have been they missed a FG at the gun and the game went into OT. On 1st down Dallas calls a pass play that is INC pretty much giving life back to the Giants. I think during that series they threw the ball 3 or 4 times, they did pick up a 1st down and were able to run out the clock. To me that is where you have to sit on the ball. Try and pick up another 5-10 yards by running the ball and milking the clock. In that situation an incomplete pass is about as bad as it gets.

Too many times last season I was forced to watch the Cowboys and too many times they had play calls that went against what should have happened. Anyone remember the GB game where they squandered a 20+ point half time lead to Matt Flynn? When you have a river boat gambler back there at QB you have to play the game safe in winning situations. The Cowboys just didn't do that this season.