Johnny Football a TOP 5 pick??!!

[WMR]

I previously said I would like it if the Bengals could draft him... I figured him as a second rounder or so... Now, all the "experts" are talking about him going in the top 5!

Is he worthy of such a pick? Will it happen? What kind of NFL career will Johnny Football have in the NFL?

BTW: Did you see those 2 women he left the club with the other night... wow. :eek:

[IslandRed]

He's probably not worth it, but it might happen anyway. It's such a quarterback-driven league that any QB with a whiff of star potential is likely to go earlier than most think he should.

For what it's worth, I like his NFL prospects better than I did a year ago.

[Caveat Emperor]

Too much of what he does on the field won't work in the NFL, where defensive linemen and linebackers are two steps faster and where the DBs are bigger and better at staying on their men.

[RedTeamGo!]

I am not even remotely sold on this dude. Every time I watch him play it seems like he runs around in circles and then just launches the ball really high and his tall receivers get under the ball.

[RedFanAlways1966]

If Akili Smith can be taken #3 overall, then anything can happen.

[dabvu2498]

Raiders pick #5, right?

[WrongVerb]

Too much of what he does on the field won't work in the NFL, where defensive linemen and linebackers are two steps faster and where the DBs are bigger and better at staying on their men.

This is what I'm thinking. Not to mention Manziel is "generously listed" at 6'1" 205. Quite undersized for a top QB pick. And there are questions about his arm strength. The hype will calm down some after the combines and pro days, but he still won't last to the mid-20s.

For the record I'd rather see the Bengals get a QB that can hit AJ in stride.

[Caveat Emperor]

This is what I'm thinking. Not to mention Manziel is "generously listed" at 6'1" 205. Quite undersized for a top QB pick. And there are questions about his arm strength. The hype will calm down some after the combines and pro days, but he still won't last to the mid-20s.

For the record I'd rather see the Bengals get a QB that can hit AJ in stride.

He, Bridgewater and Bortles will all go Top-10 -- just because there are so many teams with dumpster-fire situations at QB at the top of the draft.

Houston, Jacksonville, Cleveland and Oakland (possibly Tampa Bay and Minnesota) all are starting at the possibility of opening the season drawing-dead as far as playoff chances are concerned unless they can upgrade their QBs.

[Ohayou]

Tajh Boyd is being projected as a 3rd-4th round selection. Early 2nd round at the latest, IMO. If he manages to fall that low and the Bengals decide to pass on him, I just might have to gouge my eyes out.

[Slyder]

Raiders pick #5, right?

The words that should be coming out of Oakland are "Trade Down". I like the potential that McGloin has shown but we need weapons and bodies everywhere. Drafting Johnny Football addresses NOTHING without getting more bodies. Find someone who falls in love with a workout warrior and bring in more picks.
You can fill in the names if you want but I guarentee you Bridgewater, Bortles are off the board. Are Manziel, Carr, Boyd that much better than Pryor or McGloin to pass on positioning yourself to pass on about a dozen other positions of need? I'd argue no. LB is about the ONLY position I would not consider for the pick (I liked what Roach and Company showed as a unit this year).

If I had to predict now:
1 Texans- QB
2 St Louis (via Wash)- OT
3 Jacksonville- QB
4 Cleveland- QB (They really can't be that stupid to bring in a new coach again and NOT get a qb... can they?)
5 Oakland.

Find someone who falls madly in love with a player (Washington and RG3) and get what you can to move down... even at the expense of missing out on Marquis Lee or Sammy Watkins.

You could potentially get a scenario where anyone in the bottom half of the top 10 may move up... Atlanta and Tampa Bay at 6 and 7 (Mack/Clowney), Minnesota at 8 (QB), Buffalo at 9 (Watkins/Lee), Detroit at 10 (Watkins/Lee). If the deals aren't that different trade down to the shortest distance you can.

[bucksfan2]

Tajh Boyd is being projected as a 3rd-4th round selection. Early 2nd round at the latest, IMO. If he manages to fall that low and the Bengals decide to pass on him, I just might have to gouge my eyes out.

Boyd was a 4 year starter who at times made very questionable decisions on the field. He is listed at 6'1" which I would imagine is generous and pretty small to be a NFL QB. I just think Boyd is a sexy name that really does little as a NFL QB.

If they are going to take a late round flier I would like to see Aaron Murray. He is dealing with that ACL and he reminds me a lot of what Dalton does at Cincinnati. He isn't a guy who makes hey with his legs but is mobile enough to scramble.

[Boss-Hog]

If they are going to take a late round flier I would like to see Aaron Murray. He is dealing with that ACL and he reminds me a lot of what Dalton does at Cincinnati. He isn't a guy who makes hey with his legs but is mobile enough to scramble.

Plus, he is familiar with throwing to A.J. Green. :)

[*BaseClogger*]

Boyd was a 4 year starter who at times made very questionable decisions on the field. He is listed at 6'1" which I would imagine is generous and pretty small to be a NFL QB. I just think Boyd is a sexy name that really does little as a NFL QB.

He's got "Troy Smith" written all over him...

[bucksfan2]

He's got "Troy Smith" written all over him...

Considering that Troy Smith may be my favorite Buckeye I have a soft spot for him. I wondered what would happen if he got a true shot. I thought he was going to win the Baltimore starting job a number of years back but he got sick and Flacco was given the starting job.

Then in SF he started a few games before Harbaugh but when Harbaugh came in he went with Alex Smith and that was all she wrote. I doubt he would have been an effective QB because of that long motion, but always wanted to see what would happen.

[WrongVerb]

Considering that Troy Smith may be my favorite Buckeye I have a soft spot for him. I wondered what would happen if he got a true shot. I thought he was going to win the Baltimore starting job a number of years back but he got sick and Flacco was given the starting job.

Then in SF he started a few games before Harbaugh but when Harbaugh came in he went with Alex Smith and that was all she wrote. I doubt he would have been an effective QB because of that long motion, but always wanted to see what would happen.

Think about it this way: with all the QB holes that NFL teams have today, if Troy Smith was that good, he'd be an answer somewhere. Good college QB, but doesn't have the arm or size to be successful in the NFL.

[Chip R]

Welcome to the Browns, Johnny Manziel. ;)

[BungleBengals]

If Boyd is there in the third or fourth round, I think the Bengals should take him. He had close to 70% completion percentage this year and has the ability to run as well. His performance in the Orange Bowl should be comforting knowing that he can perform on the big stage, something Andy Dalton lacks.

If Boyd is not there, then you take the flier on Murray in a later round. He has that repertoire with AJ Green already and he doesn't throw many picks.

Either way, I think Andy is going to be given one more year to prove himself. Drafting one these guys allows them to develop and learn Jackson's system. And for those concerned about their heights, both Boyd and Murray are listed at 6'1'' and Dalton is 6'2''.

FWIW, whoever gets Manziel will be looking for a new QB in 3 to 5 years. Yes he is an exciting player and draws a lot of attention, but that is what is going to be his downfall. Tebow was the same way. Any team that drafts him will be expected to start him and he is going to be expected to be the best QB in the history of the NFL. Too much pressure, attention, and expectation for a rookie taking over a likely bad team.

[*BaseClogger*]

If Boyd is there in the third or fourth round, I think the Bengals should take him. He had close to 70% completion percentage this year and has the ability to run as well. His performance in the Orange Bowl should be comforting knowing that he can perform on the big stage, something Andy Dalton lacks.

He had a nice game but threw two interceptions--not much different than Dalton. He also had a lot of talent around him. I think he's an okay prospect but not this huge sleeper some of y'all are purporting...

[Slyder]

He had a nice game but threw two interceptions--not much different than Dalton. He also had a lot of talent around him. I think he's an okay prospect but not this huge sleeper some of y'all are purporting...

Tajh Boyd is this years Terrell Pryor. An athlete who took advantage of some ****ty ass competition (come on the ACC outside of a couple teams is BAD). He would use his athleticism to get more time, he won't be able to do that in the NFL.

[Ohayou]

He's got "Troy Smith" written all over him...

Why's that? Because he's a black QB that can run? Zzz...

According to some writers, his comp is Russell Wilson. I can dig that.

[indyscott]

His performance in the Orange Bowl should be comforting knowing that he can perform on the big stage, something Andy Dalton lacks.

If somehow they can bring the entire OSU defense to the NFL Boyd should be all pro

[*BaseClogger*]

Why's that? Because he's a black QB that can run? Zzz...

According to some writers, his comp is Russell Wilson. I can dig that.

Stocky but undersized QB who wasn't running much by his senior season.

Had a lot of talent around him.

Operated out of the spread.

Not likely to be a top pick.

Don't appreciate that insinuation though...

[Ohayou]

Stocky but undersized QB who wasn't running much by his senior season.

Had a lot of talent around him.

Operated out of the spread.

Not likely to be a top pick.

Don't appreciate that insinuation though...

He's 6'1" (the same height as Manziel). What is a few extra inches going to do for him? It's not like you're throwing over the top of your linemen...

All you guys do on here is complain about Dalton's inability to throw the deep ball or hang in the pocket. Boyd does those two things better than arguably any other college QB.

[BungleBengals]

Stocky but undersized QB who wasn't running much by his senior season.

Had a lot of talent around him.

Operated out of the spread.

Not likely to be a top pick.

Don't appreciate that insinuation though...

I think these are all values the Bengals would be looking for.

Boyd is a little bigger QB which is something I think that the Bengals need. Palmer was tall, but skinny and Dalton is a twig of a QB. We need a bigger, athletic QB who can escape the pocket and be tough to bring down. I watch too many times where a hand is put on Dalton and he just drops for a sack. We are in the AFC North, where defense is pretty strong on all teams. Boyd has the ability to run, but is not a runner first, which is what you would want, a Russel Wilson type.

Boyd performed well with a lot of talent around him, which is also perfect because the Bengals have that same situation for their QB position. We are not looking for a QB to come in and change the culture of the team like Cam Newton had to. We are looking for someone who can perform well and get good performances from the guys around him.

Him not being a top pick, allows them to play Dalton one more year and avoid a QB controversy (there still will be one regardless, but not as pressured by fans if new QB is a 3rd or 4th round pick). Also, getting him in the 3rd round allows the team to address other needs like CB, DL, and OL which have been thin due to injuries and impending free agents in Collins and MJ.

[BungleBengals]

He's 6'1" (the same height as Manziel). What is a few extra inches going to do for him? It's not like you're throwing over the top of your linemen...

All you guys do on here is complain about Dalton's inability to throw the deep ball or hang in the pocket. Boyd does those two things better than arguably any other college QB.

He also has nice completion percentage numbers. His completion percentage has risen every year as a starter and it was nearly 70% this past season. Also, threw 77% in the Orange Bowl against a team that was nearly in the championship.

[*BaseClogger*]

He also has nice completion percentage numbers. His completion percentage has risen every year as a starter and it was nearly 70% this past season. Also, threw 77% in the Orange Bowl against a team that was nearly in the championship.

Oh c'mon don't spin it, the Buckeye defense was awful...

[*BaseClogger*]

He's 6'1" (the same height as Manziel). What is a few extra inches going to do for him? It's not like you're throwing over the top of your linemen...

All you guys do on here is complain about Dalton's inability to throw the deep ball or hang in the pocket. Boyd does those two things better than arguably any other college QB.

I was comparing him to Troy Smith wasn't I? When did I say anything about Manziel or the Bengals? I couldn't care less about the NFL...

[Ohayou]

I don't see the Smith comparison at all. Sorry.

The second bit was directed at everyone reading this topic.

[*BaseClogger*]

I don't see the Smith comparison at all. Sorry.

We're probably not going to see eye-to-eye on the comparison since you see him more like an all-pro (Wilson) and I see him more like a mid-round draft choice who was lucky to be playing in Canada a few years later... :)

[Ohayou]

We're probably not going to see eye-to-eye on the comparison since you see him more like an all-pro (Wilson) and I see him more like a mid-round draft choice who was lucky to be playing in Canada a few years later... :)

You sure you're not talking about Manziel? ;)

[Caveat Emperor]

2004: "We're looking for the next Tom Brady"

2014: "We're looking for the next Russell Wilson"

[BungleBengals]

He's 6'1" (the same height as Manziel). What is a few extra inches going to do for him? It's not like you're throwing over the top of your linemen...

All you guys do on here is complain about Dalton's inability to throw the deep ball or hang in the pocket. Boyd does those two things better than arguably any other college QB.

He also has nice completion percentage numbers. His completion percentage has risen every year as a starter and it was nearly 70% this past season. Also, threw 77% in the Orange Bowl against a team that was nearly in the championship.

[*BaseClogger*]

If you watched the Orange Bowl you wouldn't be so impressed by his completion percent--half his throws were WR screens...

[Caveat Emperor]

If you watched the Orange Bowl you wouldn't be so impressed by his completion percent--half his throws were WR screens...

His numbers were like that the entire year -- tons of short throws on WR screens or shallow crosses. It's a first-read (no progressions), quick throw offense that emphasizes getting the ball to playmakers as quickly as possible.

That's not to say he can't be a good pro -- but just looking at college numbers (and this applies to Johnny Football as well) without watching WHAT players are doing is meaningless.

[WVRed]

Every mock I've seen has Johnny Football slated for the Browns. I hope it happens because he has bust written all over him.

I also see the Rams trading down. They could likely land an offensive lineman and add a couple more picks from a team trying to get Clowney. (Tampa)

[Ohayou]

2004: "We're looking for the next Tom Brady"

2014: "We're looking for the next Russell Wilson"

Nobody is the "next" or "new" anything. Period.


If you watched the Orange Bowl you wouldn't be so impressed by his completion percent--half his throws were WR screens...

2012 Chick-fil-A bowl. He came up huge in that game, too. Had he decided to skip his senior season, he probably would have been drafted ahead of Manuel.

[LoganBuck]

The Tajh Boyd/Troy Smith comparison is dead on. I would say that Boyd has a bit more foot speed at this point, but it is pretty close. NO ONE GETS CREDIT FOR BEATING OHIO STATE"S DEFENSE THIS YEAR. If you actually watched the Orange Bowl, in no way can you come out of that being impressed with anyone playing QB in that game. Boyd made two HORRIFIC interceptions versus what was the 87th ranked Defense in the country. The play book was essentially screens and shallow crosses, with the occasional 40 yard pass thrown in.

I have followed Boyd for awhile, because he was so close to coming to Ohio State years ago. He just isn't what you want in an NFL quarterback. Bad judgement, forces plays, scatterarm, and when things go poorly quickly gets the deer in the headlights look. He was playing his entire career at Clemson with serious NFL caliber receivers as well.

[MWM]

Manziel has no chance if he doesn't grow up....like a lot. Guys like him could succeed at other positions in the NFL, but not QB. Chances are he will wind up being pretty good, or out of the league in 3 years like Tebow. My money is on out of the league. His character will be his downfall.

[Ohayou]

I have followed Boyd for awhile, because he was so close to coming to Ohio State years ago. He just isn't what you want in an NFL quarterback. Bad judgement, forces plays, scatterarm, and when things go poorly quickly gets the deer in the headlights look. He was playing his entire career at Clemson with serious NFL caliber receivers as well.

Yeah, I don't know about that. He was projected to be a high first rounder at one point.

I definitely wouldn't say he has bad judgment, either.

[*BaseClogger*]

Yeah, I don't know about that. He was projected to be a high first rounder at one point.

I definitely wouldn't say he has bad judgment, either.

He's a better prospect than Smith, no doubt.

While he doesn't throw a lot of interceptions, he doesn't throw a small amount of them either for a guy playing in an offense, as Caveat mentioned earlier, is focused on a quick-passing attack.

What did you think of those two interceptions he threw in the Orange Bowl? Or the two against FSU? Or the two against South Carolina? (the only three decent teams his high-powered offense played against this past season)

[LoganBuck]

[QUOTE=Ohayou;3024923]Yeah, I don't know about that. He was projected to be a high first rounder at one point.
/QUOTE]

So what? Vontez Burfict was projected to be a top 10 pick before his last year at Arizona State. He went undrafted.

Over 80 underclassmen have come out. Tajh Boyd keeps on slipping down the draft boards. I challenge you to find a reputable mock draft that has him ranked highly anywhere. The guy isn't what you are looking for.

[Ohayou]

You mean he isn't what YOU'RE looking for.

I can't believe you two are actually bashing his Orange Bowl performance. He finished with more all-purpose yards than the ENTIRE Ohio State offense. What a scrub, right?

Listen, I didn't say draft him in the 1st freakin' round. If he's there in the 4th, and the Bengals select him, are you really gonna start flipping over tables?

[Hillsdale87]

Manziel has no chance if he doesn't grow up....like a lot. Guys like him could succeed at other positions in the NFL, but not QB. Chances are he will wind up being pretty good, or out of the league in 3 years like Tebow. My money is on out of the league. His character will be his downfall.

Manziel's character issues are a media creation. He doesn't get in trouble with the law. Sure he's living the life, and it's not a life I would choose to live, but he's not doing any harm.

Manziel's teammates love him. He is a great leader on the field, and his teammates talk about what a good leader he has become. He works incredibly hard. He won a Heisman as a freshman and then improved greatly in his sophomore season. He is only going to continue getting better because he has shown he is not satisfied.

And his teammates respect him. He will have to cut out some of the running when he gets to the NFL, but he takes a beating and gets up and keeps going. Look at the Auburn game. He could barely lift his arm, went into the locker room to get a shot, and came out and finished the game. He will do whatever it takes to win. Players will follow a guy like that.

[BungleBengals]

You mean he isn't what YOU'RE looking for.

I can't believe you two are actually bashing his Orange Bowl performance. He finished with more all-purpose yards than the ENTIRE Ohio State offense. What a scrub, right?

Listen, I didn't say draft him in the 1st freakin' round. If he's there in the 4th, and the Bengals select him, are you really gonna start flipping over tables?

That is what my argument was from the beginning. If Boyd is there in the 3rd or 4th round, then you take him. The first 2 or 3 rounds should be used to address the bigger needs like CB, DL, and OL depending on Collins and MJ. Draft Boyd in 4th, let Dalton play out his contract with Boyd developing on the bench. If Dalton doesn't improve, then you are not scrambling for a QB come next year.

If Boyd is taken, then draft Murray in the 5th or 6th round. His injury will keep him under the radar and he has that repertoire with AJ that could blossom into a deadly combination.

[Caveat Emperor]

Manziel's character issues are a media creation. He doesn't get in trouble with the law. Sure he's living the life, and it's not a life I would choose to live, but he's not doing any harm.

Manziel's teammates love him. He is a great leader on the field, and his teammates talk about what a good leader he has become. He works incredibly hard. He won a Heisman as a freshman and then improved greatly in his sophomore season. He is only going to continue getting better because he has shown he is not satisfied.

And his teammates respect him. He will have to cut out some of the running when he gets to the NFL, but he takes a beating and gets up and keeps going. Look at the Auburn game. He could barely lift his arm, went into the locker room to get a shot, and came out and finished the game. He will do whatever it takes to win. Players will follow a guy like that.

I didn't see much improvement in Manziel from Y1 to Y2 as far as being an NFL prospect. His big plays are almost entirely a creation of athleticism and big-bodied WRs.

There are QBs who can make that work in the NFL, but only because they learn to be successful in the pocket as well.

[bucksfan2]

That is what my argument was from the beginning. If Boyd is there in the 3rd or 4th round, then you take him. The first 2 or 3 rounds should be used to address the bigger needs like CB, DL, and OL depending on Collins and MJ. Draft Boyd in 4th, let Dalton play out his contract with Boyd developing on the bench. If Dalton doesn't improve, then you are not scrambling for a QB come next year.

If Boyd is taken, then draft Murray in the 5th or 6th round. His injury will keep him under the radar and he has that repertoire with AJ that could blossom into a deadly combination.

I would seriously doubt that Boyd goes in the 3rd or 4th round. I don't know if a team is going to take a chance on him that early unless they think its a real possibility that he will start.

[*BaseClogger*]

You mean he isn't what YOU'RE looking for.

I can't believe you two are actually bashing his Orange Bowl performance. He finished with more all-purpose yards than the ENTIRE Ohio State offense. What a scrub, right?

Listen, I didn't say draft him in the 1st freakin' round. If he's there in the 4th, and the Bengals select him, are you really gonna start flipping over tables?

I mean you're completely twisting my words. I said he's a decent prospect and I've said I don't give a rat's hoot about the NFL. But racking up yards against an awful Ohio State defense by throwing screen passes to Sammy Watkins while still managing to throw two interceptions just doesn't impress me...

[indyscott]

Manziel's character issues are a media creation. He doesn't get in trouble with the law. Sure he's living the life, and it's not a life I would choose to live, but he's not doing any harm.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/07/15/manziel-pleaded-guilty-misdemeanor-charges-2012-arrest/2518037/

[jojo]

Too much of what he does on the field won't work in the NFL, where defensive linemen and linebackers are two steps faster and where the DBs are bigger and better at staying on their men.

For me it's two words. Arm. Strength.

There are certain throws in the nfl a QB has to make regardless of whether he can go all Fran on a pass rush.

[JaxRed]

A lot of actual football people are starting to say that Manziel's play will translate. Here in Jax there's a big section of the fanbase clamoring for him, and called him Johnny Jaguar.

I'd be very surprised on May 8th if one of 4 people, are not holding up a Jags jersey: Clowney, Bridgewater, Manziel or Bortles.

I haven't seen Metteneberger listed as a late round flyer yet here but many places do.

[IslandRed]

For me it's two words. Arm. Strength.

There are certain throws in the nfl a QB has to make regardless of whether he can go all Fran on a pass rush.

Right.

At the same time, it can be overblown. The way I look at it is, there's a certain baseline of arm strength a QB needs or else he just can't play in the NFL. The windows are pretty small and he has to be able to get the ball there in time. But once that baseline is met, other things become more important to success: accuracy, quick release, the ability to throw accurately from weird arm slots and off the back foot because teams WILL get pressure.

And above all, it's the stuff that happens above the neck -- call it vision, anticipation or what have you, but it's just the ability to understand what's happening in front of you and get the right answer in real time. Coaching helps but some guys have it and some don't.

To me, Manziel is way above average on all the other stuff I mentioned. So it's a matter of whether his arm is good enough. I think it'll be average at best, but acceptable, especially in certain systems. Could be wrong.

[WVRed]

A lot of actual football people are starting to say that Manziel's play will translate. Here in Jax there's a big section of the fanbase clamoring for him, and called him Johnny Jaguar.

I'd be very surprised on May 8th if one of 4 people, are not holding up a Jags jersey: Clowney, Bridgewater, Manziel or Bortles.

I haven't seen Metteneberger listed as a late round flyer yet here but many places do.

Of those four, I'd go with Bortles.

[Hillsdale87]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/07/15/manziel-pleaded-guilty-misdemeanor-charges-2012-arrest/2518037/

You're right. That's my mistake. But in this case Manziel was actually breaking up a potential fight. Then the guy started to fight him. Not using good judgment with the people he was hanging out with, but he wasn't looking for trouble either.

[Hillsdale87]

I didn't see much improvement in Manziel from Y1 to Y2 as far as being an NFL prospect. His big plays are almost entirely a creation of athleticism and big-bodied WRs.

There are QBs who can make that work in the NFL, but only because they learn to be successful in the pocket as well.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/45952/349/2014s-quarterback-conundrum

Manziel improved his arm strength from his freshman year. Check out the article above. Manziel actually throws more deep passes than the other top college QBs in the this year's draft class, and he's more accurate. Even when you only account for passes when he stayed in the pocket, his downfield accuracy is awesome. And he's also facing significantly better defenses than Bortles, Bridgewater, or Carr.

Manziel is a very good QB without his running ability. Incredibly accurate, and enough arm strength to make it in the pros. Watch this throw. 50 yard in the air and he didn't even step into it. (I don't know how to embed videos, so if anybody knows how, I would appreciate if you could let me know. Thanks).

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10225139

[indyscott]

You're right. That's my mistake. But in this case Manziel was actually breaking up a potential fight. Then the guy started to fight him. Not using good judgment with the people he was hanging out with, but he wasn't looking for trouble either.

So that was his story. And I am sure the fake IDs were so he could vote too huh? He was running with a guy that was using racial slurs in a fight. ******bags usually run with ******bags.

[Hillsdale87]

So that was his story. And I am sure the fake IDs were so he could vote too huh? He was running with a guy that was using racial slurs in a fight. ******bags usually run with ******bags.

Because Manziel is the only player in this draft class with a fake ID who drinks underage... I'm not saying it's not an issue, but I think that this case is probably pretty low on the list of concerns for NFL teams. They know that pretty much every player they are looking at drank and partied in college.

People talk about his off-field "issues", but they are only issues if they affect the team. His teammates and coaches love him.

[indyscott]

Because Manziel is the only player in this draft class with a fake ID who drinks underage... I'm not saying it's not an issue, but I think that this case is probably pretty low on the list of concerns for NFL teams. They know that pretty much every player they are looking at drank and partied in college.

People talk about his off-field "issues", but they are only issues if they affect the team. His teammates and coaches love him.

I dont buy the "everybody does it" stuff. I never had one. i am in my 40s and never been arrested. And what coaches or team mates will come out and say they dont like him?

[*BaseClogger*]

Yeah, you might have a point with the "everybody does it" if he played another position, but that argument holds a lot less water for a QB...