Indiana Basketball Continued

[Razor Shines]

They're gonna need Yogi and JBJ to hit 3s at around 40%, and a BUNCH of them, to have a chance, IMO.

They're going to be outmatched down low against virtually every team in the Big 10.

I would like to know how safe Crean's job is at the moment. I don't see IU as an NCAA Tournament team next season, I wonder if he can survive that yet again...

What's his buyout after next season?
"Walk me off the ledge." The guy says and our wonderful statesmen from the south basically says "I see no evidence to support you coming away from that ledge." Why don't you get outta here and go count your championships....oh wait that's not a very good insult.

[gilpdawg]

They're gonna need Yogi and JBJ to hit 3s at around 40%, and a BUNCH of them, to have a chance, IMO.


They will. But will it be enough?

[WMR]

"Walk me off the ledge." The guy says and our wonderful statesmen from the south basically says "I see no evidence to support you coming away from that ledge." Why don't you get outta here and go count your championships....oh wait that's not a very good insult.

You kill me, bro. :lol:

How do you see the team this year?

[Hoosier Red]

Honest to God WMR, I saw the last post in the thread was from you and I said to myself, "Oh &S&S&, what did IU do now."

[WMR]

Honest to God WMR, I saw the last post in the thread was from you and I said to myself, "Oh &S&S&, what did IU do now."

I forgot to post when Peter Jurkin transferred. :cry:

[Hoosier Red]

Well i'm hoping his transfer will lead to fewer losses due to IU beating itself.

[fearofpopvol1]

They're gonna need Yogi and JBJ to hit 3s at around 40%, and a BUNCH of them, to have a chance, IMO.

They're going to be outmatched down low against virtually every team in the Big 10.

I would like to know how safe Crean's job is at the moment. I don't see IU as an NCAA Tournament team next season, I wonder if he can survive that yet again...

What's his buyout after next season?

I think Crean may be in trouble, but he's fortunate that the fans have not fully turned on him yet. If they don't make the tourney this year, and they may not, he may either be fired or on a super hot seat. I would be pretty surprised if Crean is the coach of IU basketball 5 years from now.

[BillDoran]

Could have a commitment on deck. Juwan Morgan, a 6'9" PF out of Missouri, will be making his college choice Wednesday night, after visiting Bloomington this weekend. Recruiting site 247 has him as 87th in the country in their composite rankings. Well regarded, and, by god, some size!

Inside the Hall story (http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/09/07/2015-forward-juwan-morgan-completes-indiana-official-visit-sets-decision-date/#more-40946)

Could be particularly good news in that it was thought that his AAU teammate Shake Milton, 80th in same rankings, was considering teaming with Morgan at the next level.

[Revering4Blue]

Could have a commitment on deck. Juwan Morgan, a 6'9" PF out of Missouri, will be making his college choice Wednesday night, after visiting Bloomington this weekend. Recruiting site 247 has him as 87th in the country in their composite rankings. Well regarded, and, by god, some size!

Inside the Hall story (http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/09/07/2015-forward-juwan-morgan-completes-indiana-official-visit-sets-decision-date/#more-40946)

Could be particularly good news in that it was thought that his AAU teammate Shake Milton, 80th in same rankings, was considering teaming with Morgan at the next level.

Indiana it is.

http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/09/10/2015-forward-juwan-morgan-commits-to-indiana/

[BillDoran]

Indiana it is.

http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/09/10/2015-forward-juwan-morgan-commits-to-indiana/

Excited about the commit. Lot of upside.

The closing line from the IndyStar story made me chuckle:

Indiana does not have any scholarships open currently for next season. But Crean and his staff have always been willing to oversign to stay ahead of potential program attrition.

[Razor Shines]

This is a strange story but the good news is Davis seems to be doing better.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2014/11/02/devin-davis-indiana-forward-improving-after-crash/18372399/

[Assembly Hall]

Hope the kid is fine..........just fishy all the way around.

[Hoosier Red]

Just a bad scene. When Dan Dakich is the moral authority of the program, your program is in a whole lot of trouble.

[redsfanmia]

Just a bad scene. When Dan Dakich is the moral authority of the program, your program is in a whole lot of trouble.

Does this incident added to the other incidents the last few years actually make Crean's seat warm? Personally I thik he has taken the program as far as he can.

[Hoosier Red]

Does this incident added to the other incidents the last few years actually make Crean's seat warm? Personally I thik he has taken the program as far as he can.

Umm yeah. Now Stan Robinson and Troy Williams are suspended for failing a drug test. I'm trying to figure out the difference between this and the Kelvin Sanctions era. I mean other than at least Sampson won more games.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/03/report-pair-of-indiana-sophomores-stanford-robinson-troy-williams-suspended-due-to-failed-drug-tests/

[Razor Shines]

Umm yeah. Now Stan Robinson and Troy Williams are suspended for failing a drug test. I'm trying to figure out the difference between this and the Kelvin Sanctions era. I mean other than at least Sampson won more games.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/03/report-pair-of-indiana-sophomores-stanford-robinson-troy-williams-suspended-due-to-failed-drug-tests/

Wow. This isn't good. I'm guessing it was pot and personally I don't care about some college kids smoking pot from time to time but basketball players that do stuff like this makes no sense to me. They know if they're caught it will hurt their teammates but they do it anyway? To me it shows there's not much leadership and they don't have much respect for Crean.

[Hoosier Red]

Umm yeah. Now Stan Robinson and Troy Williams are suspended for failing a drug test. I'm trying to figure out the difference between this and the Kelvin Sanctions era. I mean other than at least Sampson won more games.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/03/report-pair-of-indiana-sophomores-stanford-robinson-troy-williams-suspended-due-to-failed-drug-tests/

As for his seat getting warm? I've certainly been a pretty constant defender of him. But I'll be surprised if he's still coaching at the end of this year.

[Hoosier Red]

Wow. This isn't good. I'm guessing it was pot and personally I don't care about some college kids smoking pot from time to time but basketball players that do stuff like this makes no sense to me. They know if they're caught it will hurt their teammates but they do it anyway? To me it shows there's not much leadership and they don't have much respect for Crean.

Bingo.

[Boston Red]

I hear Gregg Marshall is fond of boring towns in the middle of nowhere, so maybe...

(And before you get too offended, be aware that I currently live about 2 miles from Coach Marshall in a boring town in the middle of nowhere)

[Assembly Hall]

These past few days of events just leave me shaking my head. Where is Mike Davis when you need him?

[SunDeck]

Does this incident added to the other incidents the last few years actually make Crean's seat warm? Personally I thik he has taken the program as far as he can.

Unfortunately, with what's going on right now, it seems he took the program as far as he could a couple years ago. My guess is IU fans are going to want him gone after what will likely be a very mediocre showing this season. They gave the guy a lot of rope and were quick to forgive those first years, and I'm sure they felt it paid off, but this has to leave many fans scratching their heads about what's going on inside the hall.

[Assembly Hall]

Very well said SunDeck.

I think Crean will be alright for the "short term". If anything because of his recruiting. But as a diehard Hoosier fan I am pissed. This idiot comes in and kicks everybody off the team and hangs his hat on restoring "institutional control"? All I know is we got 4 players involved in very alarming situations these past few days and the season is right on the cusp. Where is that "institutional control"? Or did Crean forget about that?

[redsfanmia]

Very well said SunDeck.

I think Crean will be alright for the "short term". If anything because of his recruiting. But as a diehard Hoosier fan I am pissed. This idiot comes in and kicks everybody off the team and hangs his hat on restoring "institutional control"? All I know is we got 4 players involved in very alarming situations these past few days and the season is right on the cusp. Where is that "institutional control"? Or did Crean forget about that?pretty suRe Dan Dakich kicked everyone off the team and Crean was working hard on keeping them/bringing them back.

[redsfanmia]

Just a bad scene. When Dan Dakich is the moral authority of the program, your program is in a whole lot of trouble.

I have a dumb question.....what has Dan Dakich done,other than be an ass, that makes you think he is not honest and full of integrity?

[Hoosier Red]

I have a dumb question.....what has Dan Dakich done,other than be an ass, that makes you think he is not honest and full of integrity?

There's nothing he does or says at this point which requires honesty or integrity. He was happy enough to work for IU when Sampson was the head coach so long as the checks cashed. On his show today, he described the process that went into hiring Crean as a clown show.
He went so far to describe IU legends like Harry Gonso and Jerry Yeagley clowns because they didn't recommend him.

I've heard his animus with Yeagley in particular stems from Yeagley telling him to his face that he didn't think Dakich should be IU's coach.

[dubc47834]

I have been a Crean supporter, but the more and more of this stuff that happens, I just don't see a way he starts next year coaching IU. I believe his buy out goes down significantly this year, so I could see it happening. What would concern me most if that happens is, who would come to Indiana. As much as Brad Stevens name comes up, he is NOT coming to IU. It would prolly end up being another rebuild, although likely not as bad as the one Crean had when he came in. This makes 6 players in less than a year for drug and alchohol related incidents.

Perea- alchohol
Ferrell- fake ID/alchohol
Robinson- fake ID/alchohol & drugs
Williams- drugs
Davis- alchohol
Holt- alchohol

[Razor Shines]

I have been a Crean supporter, but the more and more of this stuff that happens, I just don't see a way he starts next year coaching IU. I believe his buy out goes down significantly this year, so I could see it happening. What would concern me most if that happens is, who would come to Indiana. As much as Brad Stevens name comes up, he is NOT coming to IU. It would prolly end up being another rebuild, although likely not as bad as the one Crean had when he came in. This makes 6 players in less than a year for drug and alchohol related incidents.

Perea- alchohol
Ferrell- fake ID/alchohol
Robinson- fake ID/alchohol & drugs
Williams- drugs
Davis- alchohol
Holt- alchohol

*Holt - alcohol/nearly killing the guy ahead of him on the depth chart.

[Razor Shines]

GLASS: CREAN NOT EVEN PART OF THE PROBLEM

http://www.indystar.com/story/hoosier-insider/2014/11/03/tom-crean-troy-williams-stanford-robinson/18436467/

Strong support from the AD? Yeah, Crean is about done.

[dubc47834]

*Holt - alcohol/nearly killing the guy ahead of him on the depth chart.

To be fair, Davis was found at fault by the cops. Holts BAC was .025 which is equal to about 1 beer, hardly drunk. No BAC was done on Davis, which is highly surprising.

[dubc47834]

http://www.indystar.com/story/hoosier-insider/2014/11/03/tom-crean-troy-williams-stanford-robinson/18436467/

Strong support from the AD? Yeah, Crean is about done.

Glass can say that now, but if this season ends how it is starting and the fan base starts making more noise, let see then what Glass has to say!

[Razor Shines]

Glass can say that now, but if this season ends how it is starting and the fan base starts making more noise, let see then what Glass has to say!

I was being sarcastic. Seems like that last thing that happens before a coach is fired is a strong show of support from the AD.

[Assembly Hall]

Maybe Glass needs to go out the door as well.........just sayin'!

[SunDeck]

Maybe Glass needs to go out the door as well.........just sayin'!

From my perspective as a very casual (and admittedly not well informed) fan in town, what I've seen from IU athletics under Glass seems like a lot of lipstick on a pretty ugly pig. Doing things that they think major programs should do, they added a horseshoe onto a stadium they couldn't fill in the first place, then put up all sorts of decorations and slogans like, "24 sports, 1 Team!", because evidently this is what convinces recruits to commit. However, every time I drive down 17th street with all the fields of trash and overturned portolets from drunken tailgaters, I am reminded that all the slogans and paint don't match what is actually happening in play. Attending an IU football game is not about watching a good contest. The football team seems irreparably terrible, the basketball team can't seem to continue an upward trend, yet the place seems like it thinks they are contending for national championships. Honestly, I laughed out loud when I saw the big "Beat MSU" sign on the bypass a couple weeks ago. Someone actually put that sign up with a straight face.

Granted, I'm very cynical about big time college athletics in general and I can barely bring myself to acknowledge that they should be a part of college life, but even with that grain of salt, I can't see any progress under Glass. With the exception of baseball and swimming, the whole athletic program seems to be in neutral.

[WMR]

Wow. This isn't good. I'm guessing it was pot and personally I don't care about some college kids smoking pot from time to time but basketball players that do stuff like this makes no sense to me. They know if they're caught it will hurt their teammates but they do it anyway? To me it shows there's not much leadership and they don't have much respect for Crean.
The athletic director is right!

Crean just needs more time, he's doing a great job.

[Hoosier Red]

From my perspective as a very casual (and admittedly not well informed) fan in town, what I've seen from IU athletics under Glass seems like a lot of lipstick on a pretty ugly pig. Doing things that they think major programs should do, they added a horseshoe onto a stadium they couldn't fill in the first place, then put up all sorts of decorations and slogans like, "24 sports, 1 Team!", because evidently this is what convinces recruits to commit. However, every time I drive down 17th street with all the fields of trash and overturned portolets from drunken tailgaters, I am reminded that all the slogans and paint don't match what is actually happening in play. The football team seems irreparably terrible, the basketball team can't seem to continue an upward trend, yet the place seems like it thinks they are contending for national championships. Honestly, I laughed out loud when I saw the big "Beat MSU" sign on the bypass a couple weeks ago. Someone actually put that sign up with a straight face.

Granted, I'm very cynical about big time college athletics in general and I can barely bring myself to acknowledge that they should be a part of college life, but even with that grain of salt, I can't see any progress under Glass. With the exception of baseball and swimming, the whole athletic program seems to be in neutral.

AH and I have gone back and forth on this a couple of times I know. The football program had been making slow but steady progress leading up to this year. While this year has been nothing short of a tire fire, there have certainly been limited successes.

From a facility standpoint, the horseshoe seems to be more about the facility underneath it than about the "extra seats."
Basketball has seen the the addition of Cook Hall, and the new and improved Assembly Hall coming soon.
In addition, the facilities for other sports have seen great improvements. The baseball and softball has gone from an eyesore to a legitimate top of the line facility.

Pretty much no AD is defined by the non-major sports, but the other sports have been at the very least not a mark against him.

[Assembly Hall]

The athletic director is right!

Crean just needs more time, he's doing a great job.

Now that just made my day!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

[Assembly Hall]

Wanna get some input here. I was wondering how many of you think that I should change my avatar heading from "We are back!" to "We are falling back!"? All comments will be considered!

[WMR]

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[Razor Shines]

The athletic director is right!

Crean just needs more time, he's doing a great job.

Just the fact that you took the time to stop by and comment means so much.

[Assembly Hall]

Just the fact that you took the time to stop by and comment means so much.

Now that made my night!!!!!!!!!

[Big Red Smokey]

#Crean4IU

[SunDeck]

Here's an article saying Crean should not be fired, precisely because he is exercising control. I don't really have an opinion on this, but am just adding it so others can see the article.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/27268917/bozich-the-angry-basketball-discussion-at-indiana-begins-with-syracuse

[Assembly Hall]

Here's an article saying Crean should not be fired, precisely because he is exercising control. I don't really have an opinion on this, but am just adding it so others can see the article.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/27268917/bozich-the-angry-basketball-discussion-at-indiana-begins-with-syracuse

One helluva good read. Lots of truth in there.

[gilpdawg]

pretty suRe Dan Dakich kicked everyone off the team and Crean was working hard on keeping them/bringing them back.

I know Dakich kicked Bassett off for sure. Not sure about the others.

[Revering4Blue]

IU haunted by the past
Crean has to see signs of Sampson era

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20141105/SPORTS0203/311059959/1029/SPORTS02

[Assembly Hall]

Pretty good read. The fact of the matter is that IU nation is restless right now. Having sub-par seasons is one thing, but the players getting into scrapes with the law is another. I am just shaking my head.

[Assembly Hall]

Well we get the "Blunt" brothers back tonite. Time to see where we stand.

[Razor Shines]

How does SMU leave a shooter like Blackmon open so much? This team misses a guy like Zeller or Vonleh but every other school has to deal with their talented players leaving early too.

[Razor Shines]

So we're just gonna go ahead and make free throws this year? That's what we're doing now?

[Hoosier Red]

So we're just gonna go ahead and make free throws this year? That's what we're doing now?

It's all about the right guys shooting free throws. Make sure it's more Yogi, Zeisloft, & Blackmon. And less Robinson or Perea.

[Razor Shines]

It's all about the right guys shooting free throws. Make sure it's more Yogi, Zeisloft, & Blackmon. And less Robinson or Perea.

I think the biggest thing is that there are more of the "right" guys this year.

[Assembly Hall]

How does SMU leave a shooter like Blackmon open so much? This team misses a guy like Zeller or Vonleh but every other school has to deal with their talented players leaving early too.

I think IU's ball movement had something to with JBJ getting his shots off. Plus my Warsaw boy for the Mustangs is about 5-9.

Yeah, they are hurting on the inside. Time for Hanner to step it up......he didn't have a single rebound last night. How is that possible?

[Revering4Blue]

This three-point shooting thing is also going to take some getting used to following last year's Brick Fest.

Ditto for this taking care of the ball thing and, frankly, for sound in-game coaching adjustments. SMU had trouble with the smaller IU lineups with HMP out of the lineup. And once the Mustangs began to pound the ball inside against the lineup with HMP, the Hoosiers went with a 1-3-1 zone, and the Mustangs never really adjusted.

[Assembly Hall]

It's all about the right guys shooting free throws. Make sure it's more Yogi, Zeisloft, & Blackmon. And less Robinson or Perea.

C'mon now. You got to love Stan's "Hank Gathers" approach at the charity stripe. I don't think I ever in my life, seen a guy step up there and take a couple of dribbles with one hand and then shoot with the other?

[Assembly Hall]

This three-point shooting thing is also going to take some getting used to following last year's Brick Fest.

Ditto for this taking care of the ball thing and, frankly, for sound in-game coaching adjustments. SMU had trouble with the smaller IU lineups with HMP out of the lineup. And once the Mustangs began to pound the ball inside against the lineup with HMP, the Hoosiers went with a 1-3-1 zone, and the Mustangs never really adjusted.

I am with you on the outside shooting thing.

I did get a smile out of the Hoosiers actually being able to hang onto the ball. On the flip side the game, IMHO, was about SMU's turnovers.

[Hoosier Red]

This three-point shooting thing is also going to take some getting used to following last year's Brick Fest.

Ditto for this taking care of the ball thing and, frankly, for sound in-game coaching adjustments. SMU had trouble with the smaller IU lineups with HMP out of the lineup. And once the Mustangs began to pound the ball inside against the lineup with HMP, the Hoosiers went with a 1-3-1 zone, and the Mustangs never really adjusted.

You mean I'm not the only one who reflexively shouts NO when I see an IU guy going up for a shot? In all seriousness, I think the lack of inside game and prolific shooting will lead to fewer turnovers just because guys don't have to work so dang hard to get a perfect shot.

The only thing more frustrating than #ThrowTheBallToCody/#ThrowTheBallToNoah was seeing the entire offense stagnate as the Yogi and Noah would keep throwing it in and then back out and in and back out trying desperately to establish position while 5 opponents knew exactly what they were trying to do.

[Razor Shines]

You mean I'm not the only one who reflexively shouts NO when I see an IU guy going up for a shot? In all seriousness, I think the lack of inside game and prolific shooting will lead to fewer turnovers just because guys don't have to work so dang hard to get a perfect shot.

The only thing more frustrating than #ThrowTheBallToCody/#ThrowTheBallToNoah was seeing the entire offense stagnate as the Yogi and Noah would keep throwing it in and then back out and in and back out trying desperately to establish position while 5 opponents knew exactly what they were trying to do.

Completely agree. It'll certainly be a cleaner brand of basketball to watch this year.

[Razor Shines]

I think Blackmon is going to be one of my favorite all time Hoosiers.

[Playadlc]

Amazing how irrelevant we have become.

[Assembly Hall]

Amazing how irrelevant we have become.


I know the feeling! It has to get better doesn't it?

[Revering4Blue]

It certainly did when I was there on Saturday. Granted, Butler isn't Louisville -- quite honestly, I don't see a team remaining on IU's schedule as good as Louisville (yes, that includes Wisconsin) -- but IMO, this was a win IU and Crean had to have.

[Assembly Hall]

I agree with you Rev. I hope that EW loss doesn't come back to bite them in the rump. But right now nobody is jumping out at me in the B1G. Heck I can see the Hoosiers finishing as high as 4th...................but could finish dead last as well!!!!!!!LOL

[Revering4Blue]

Indiana lost to Eastern Washington, but among all the bizarre losses for the basketball conference formerly known as America’s best, this was among the least surprising. Eastern Washington is no joke this year.

Just to solidify my point that the Big Ten sucks, here are where Big Ten programs are ranked by RPI with some of the schools that have beaten Big Ten teams thrown in for comparison:

10. Wisconsin

14. Northern Iowa

24. Maryland

35. Penn State

36. Illinois

37. Eastern Washington

53. Ohio State

55. Incarnate Word

68. Michigan State

83. Gardner-Webb

84. Minnesota

87. Iowa

95. Indiana

102. Texas Southern

105. Nebraska

113. Rutgers

117. Northwestern

139. Michigan

141. Purdue


Indiana fans are not thrilled with the Hoosiers under Tom Crean, but given the schedules who among the Big Ten coaches would you say has done a better job? Even Wisconsin with St. Bo has played a soft schedule. They lost to Duke (RPI #5) and have Green Bay (RPI # 28), Boise State (RPI #46) and Oklahoma (RPI #32) as their best wins.

http://kentsterling.com/college-basketball/

[Assembly Hall]

Great post Rev. As a diehard Hoosier fan, I didn't really expect too much from them this year. I sit back and look at their big wins this year and to be honest I am kinda of amazed.

You throw the Kentucky schools out of the equation along with Duke and I don't see too much there other than Gonzaga(I like them). The B1G is horrid thus far. Even MSU looks different. Michigan is pitiful. Heck to be honest with you, right here, right now......Maryland might be the best team.

I just shake my head.

[Revering4Blue]

Totally agree about Maryland. Plus, the Terps haven't been totally healthy all year. I have no doubt that the Terps would be a factor in what is a loaded ACC if they were still there.

One factor that may work in IU's favor in conference play is that, at first glance, the B1G teams as a whole seem to be offensively challenged, to say the least, and ill equipped to play at a pace IU prefers. We will see.

[Hoosier Red]

I think that shows a bit of the problem's with the RPI calculation as much as anything. For comparisons sake Eastern Washington is 102 in KenPom's ratings.

That said, it's still not nearly as bad of a loss as suffered by many B1G teams this year.
My fear is that the B1G is not actually as down as the poor losses would indicate, and wins will be discounted/losses will look worse because IU will be playing teams that lost to (TAKE YOUR PICK U)

The problem with IU's schedule isn't that it doesn't have enough tough games, or that it plays too many cup cakes, but rather, the choice of cupcakes (for a variety of reasons) has really come back to hurt the Hoosiers.



OPPONENT RANK
SMU 35
Butler 38
Louisville 5
Eastern Washington 102
Georgetown 30
Grand Canyon 270
Lamar 317
Miss Valley St. 348
New Orleans 307
Pittsburgh 59
Savannah St. 321
Texas Southern 194
UNC Greensboro 294


Thanks to Texas Southern's huge upset, there's now 1 team ranked between Eastern Washington(102) and Grand Canyon State(270).
It's the plethora of absolute dogs(not Dawgs) of minor conference teams that have kept IU's Non Conference Strength of Schedule in the 300's.

[Assembly Hall]

Totally agree about Maryland. Plus, the Terps haven't been totally healthy all year. I have no doubt that the Terps would be a factor in what is a loaded ACC if they were still there.

One factor that may work in IU's favor in conference play is that, at first glance, the B1G teams as a whole seem to be offensively challenged, to say the least, and ill equipped to play at a pace IU prefers. We will see.

Yeah the Terps are poised to win the regular season title in their first season.

I just don't know about IU's pace. I think the teams in the B1G will pound them inside. IU might want to run but clearing the glass starts that. I just don't know.......but I think it is kinda wide open.

[Assembly Hall]

I think that shows a bit of the problem's with the RPI calculation as much as anything. For comparisons sake Eastern Washington is 102 in KenPom's ratings.

That said, it's still not nearly as bad of a loss as suffered by many B1G teams this year.
My fear is that the B1G is not actually as down as the poor losses would indicate, and wins will be discounted/losses will look worse because IU will be playing teams that lost to (TAKE YOUR PICK U)

The problem with IU's schedule isn't that it doesn't have enough tough games, or that it plays too many cup cakes, but rather, the choice of cupcakes (for a variety of reasons) has really come back to hurt the Hoosiers.



OPPONENT RANK
SMU 35
Butler 38
Louisville 5
Eastern Washington 102
Georgetown 30
Grand Canyon 270
Lamar 317
Miss Valley St. 348
New Orleans 307
Pittsburgh 59
Savannah St. 321
Texas Southern 194
UNC Greensboro 294


Thanks to Texas Southern's huge upset, there's now 1 team ranked between Eastern Washington(102) and Grand Canyon State(270).
It's the plethora of absolute dogs(not Dawgs) of minor conference teams that have kept IU's Non Conference Strength of Schedule in the 300's.

I don't know where IU got away from playing quality. In the good ole days I recall them having UK, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Kansas St., and Iowa St. And usually someone like a UTEP thrown in there.

I just shake my head.

[Hoosier Red]

I don't know where IU got away from playing quality. In the good ole days I recall them having UK, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Kansas St., and Iowa St. And usually someone like a UTEP thrown in there.

I just shake my head.

Like all power conference teams, there have always been a fair number of gimme games. I think the top of IU's schedule matches those of old, but IU hasn't done of good job of mixing in the true mid major teams.

[Assembly Hall]

Like all power conference teams, there have always been a fair number of gimme games. I think the top of IU's schedule matches those of old, but IU hasn't done of good job of mixing in the true mid major teams.

Your response got me to thinking. So I went back and checked out what one my favorite Hoosier team's OOC schedule was. This is from the 91-92 squad.

UCLA
Butler
Notre Dame
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Boston University
Central Michigan
St. John's
Texas Tech
Indiana State
Cincinnati

[Hoosier Red]

Your response got me to thinking. So I went back and checked out what one my favorite Hoosier team's OOC schedule was. This is from the 91-92 squad.

UCLA
Butler
Notre Dame
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Boston University
Central Michigan
St. John's
Texas Tech
Indiana State
Cincinnati

I do miss the annual series with ND.

[Assembly Hall]

I do miss the annual series with ND.


I miss playing a decent schedule period.

[Hoosier Red]

I miss playing a decent schedule period.

Eh I dunno. Things change. IMO, there's a lot more risk than reward for playing those games. Now with an 18 game schedule on top of the B1G tournament and an improved B1G. I understand the need to get a few more gimme games in there.

My problem's not at the top of the schedule, but rather on the lack of annual regional rivals and the bottom of the schedule.
Just bring up the bad teams to the 200 range rather than 300, and everyone would feel a lot better.

[Assembly Hall]

Eh I dunno. Things change. IMO, there's a lot more risk than reward for playing those games. Now with an 18 game schedule on top of the B1G tournament and an improved B1G. I understand the need to get a few more gimme games in there.

My problem's not at the top of the schedule, but rather on the lack of annual regional rivals and the bottom of the schedule.
Just bring up the bad teams to the 200 range rather than 300, and everyone would feel a lot better.

I get that logic. And I have a pretty easy solution to it for the Hoosiers. Why not play every D-1 school in the state? Have to throw Purdue out of the equation because they are in the same conference. But why not schedule Valpo, Notre Dame, IPFW, Ball St., IUPUI, Butler, Indiana St., and Evansville every year? Throw in the ACC/B1G challenge game and a Louisville or SMU and I wouldn't have a problem with it. Whatcha think?

[Hoosier Red]

I get that logic. And I have a pretty easy solution to it for the Hoosiers. Why not play every D-1 school in the state? Have to throw Purdue out of the equation because they are in the same conference. But why not schedule Valpo, Notre Dame, IPFW, Ball St., IUPUI, Butler, Indiana St., and Evansville every year? Throw in the ACC/B1G challenge game and a Louisville or SMU and I wouldn't have a problem with it. Whatcha think?

I don't know if I'd go as far as playing every instate D1 team, but I'd definitely sign off on rotation among IPFW, IUPUI, Valpo, Ball State, ISU & Evansville, to go along with the Crossroads Classic. That would probably do more for those schools than it would for IU, but there's much to be gained from generosity. Maybe add 2 per year, which would mean each of those schools would be coming every three years.

I'd also be in favor of a home and home rotation with Butler and ND interlaced with the CC.
Year 1-@Butler, ND in CC
Year 2-Butler in CC, home to ND
Year 3-Butler at home, ND in CC
Year 4-Butler in CC,@ND


In terms of regional rivalries, i'd love to see them play UC, XU, or Dayton on more than once per blue moon. I'd think they could pretty easily negotiate a game at US Bank arena with any of those teams that would be profitable for both sides.

A lot of IU's scheduling will also improve when they gain enough relevance for the nice Thanksgiving and Christmas tournaments to bring them in.

[Assembly Hall]

Interesting thoughts. Cant argue with anything you put up there. But I do have a question, has IU ever played Dayton?

[Razor Shines]

Man, really shouldn't have lost that game. Yogi made some huge plays but he also made some silly mistakes he shouldn't be making at this point.

[thatcoolguy_22]

I'm done with Tom Crean. He is not a good in game coach. Routinely sits on his timeouts and watches the ship burn. The game against Georgetown rests squarely on his shoulders. He brought IU back to relevancy, but a change needs to be made to take the next step.

[Razor Shines]

I'm done with Tom Crean. He is not a good in game coach. Routinely sits on his timeouts and watches the ship burn. The game against Georgetown rests squarely on his shoulders. He brought IU back to relevancy, but a change needs to be made to take the next step.

Probably. I see them winning just enough this year for him to hang on through next season.

[Razor Shines]

I hadn't seen this before. It's kinda funny.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/101587/hoosiers-are-nations-most-watchable-team


HOOSIERS ARE NATION'S MOST WATCHABLE TEAM

If you want to have some fun with your 40 minutes, the Hoosiers' weird combination of pace, efficiency and lackluster defense is the best value proposition this sport has to offer. Win or lose, they are not to be missed.

Uh...thanks?

[Assembly Hall]

Yeah, I am beaming with pride!

[Revering4Blue]

Not a pretty win, but we'll take it.

[Assembly Hall]

The hell with the win.......I wanted to see Crean and Miles "duke" it out!!!!!!!!!!! Nebraska had some cheap shots........cant wait til we see them in Bloomington!!!!!!!!!!!

[Big Red Smokey]

That's the type of game I didn't expect to see IU win this year.

Only hit 7 threes, outrebounded Nebraska by 12.

Good news moving forwards.

[Assembly Hall]

That's the type of game I didn't expect to see IU win this year.

Only hit 7 threes, outrebounded Nebraska by 12.

Good news moving forwards.


Well don't get to use to it!!!!!!!!

[Assembly Hall]

BTW......for those that didn't see

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2015-01-01/tom-crean-tim-miles-fight-verbal-altercation-indiana-hoosiers-nebraska-cornhuskers-big-ten-opener

[Razor Shines]

BTW......for those that didn't see

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2015-01-01/tom-crean-tim-miles-fight-verbal-altercation-indiana-hoosiers-nebraska-cornhuskers-big-ten-opener

Yeah. I mean I honestly don't think the foul was that bad. I'm not sure what Crean said he didn't seem that upset, only seeing it in live action I could totally understand arguing for a flagrant foul but he must have said something to set Miles off like that or Miles is a hot head.

[Assembly Hall]

Yeah. I mean I honestly don't think the foul was that bad. I'm not sure what Crean said he didn't seem that upset, only seeing it in live action I could totally understand arguing for a flagrant foul but he must have said something to set Miles off like that or Miles is a hot head.


I don't know either. Seemed like Miles was doing all the "talking".

[Revering4Blue]

It was reported on Inside The Hall that Crean told Miles, who then went ballistic, to shut up

[Razor Shines]

It was reported on Inside The Hall that Crean told Miles, who then went ballistic, to shut up

I mean I guess Crean really has no place to tell the other team's coach to shut up but that seems pretty mild for the way Miles reacted. Crean was wrong but you have to be a real hot head to carry on like that after simply "shut up."

[Assembly Hall]

Don't forget get.....Johnson hit the floor hard in the 1st half.

[dubc47834]

I hadn't seen this before. It's kinda funny.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/101587/hoosiers-are-nations-most-watchable-team

The guy that wrote that, Eammon Brennan, used to write for Insidethehall.com. So it's not really a suprise he would write this!

Uh...thanks?

[SunDeck]

I watched three thoroughly unwatchable minutes of the game last night.

[Assembly Hall]

I watched three thoroughly unwatchable minutes of the game last night.


You made it longer than I did!!!!!!! Pitiful.

[Razor Shines]

I watched three thoroughly unwatchable minutes of the game last night.

I DVR'd it and was gonna watch it but I had a bad feeling so I checked the score and was able to skip all of it.

[Assembly Hall]

I DVR'd it and was gonna watch it but I had a bad feeling so I checked the score and was able to skip all of it.

I broke down and watched it today. Well, I didn't break anything, but I soooooooooooooo wanted to.

[Hoosier Red]

I broke down and watched it today. Well, I didn't break anything, but I soooooooooooooo wanted to.

While disappointing, it honestly should be less surprising than the win at Nebraska.
The problem with being so dependent on the jump shot is when that's not falling, you have to do a lot of other things you're not used to.

Hanner going out so early with foul trouble, plus the shots not falling portends to a long night.

[Assembly Hall]

While disappointing, it honestly should be less surprising than the win at Nebraska.
The problem with being so dependent on the jump shot is when that's not falling, you have to do a lot of other things you're not used to.

Hanner going out so early with foul trouble, plus the shots not falling portends to a long night.

I agree HR and will add that I am happy being 1-1 after starting on the road. I really figured they would be 0-2!

[Hoosier Red]

I agree HR and will add that I am happy being 1-1 after starting on the road. I really figured they would be 0-2!

Yep, as long as they beat THE Ohio State University and THE Pennsylvania Commonwealth University, I'll be pretty happy.
Lose one of those, and they have to steal another game on the road somewhere.

[Revering4Blue]

While disappointing, it honestly should be less surprising than the win at Nebraska.
The problem with being so dependent on the jump shot is when that's not falling, you have to do a lot of other things you're not used to.

Hanner going out so early with foul trouble, plus the shots not falling portends to a long night.

Any conference road victory is a plus for any B1G team. Nebraska will be a much better team once the tow injured big men return. I'll gladly take a split from the two road games.

That stated, in addition to the fact that Troy Williams was a no-show,everything you stated about the debacle the other night is true. At this point, I'm taking the shrug my shoulders and move on attitude. How often will virtually the entire team be off in virtually all aspects of the game?

IMHO, I wouldn't be averse to Troy Williams returning to a sixth man role, where he can change the complexion of the game. Hanner -- who, at this point, is a freak athlete with a low BB IQ -- may also benefit from a non-starting role.

[Assembly Hall]

Any conference road victory is a plus for any B1G team. Nebraska will be a much better team once the tow injured big men return. I'll gladly take a split from the two road games.

That stated, in addition to the fact that Troy Williams was a no-show,everything you stated about the debacle the other night is true. At this point, I'm taking the shrug my shoulders and move on attitude. How often will virtually the entire team be off in virtually all aspects of the game?

IMHO, I wouldn't be averse to Troy Williams returning to a sixth man role, where he can change the complexion of the game. Hanner -- who, at this point, is a freak athlete with a low BB IQ -- may also benefit from a non-starting role.

I am assuming you see Holt going to the starting line-up and who else?

[Revering4Blue]

I am assuming you see Holt going to the starting line-up and who else?

Hartman, maybe. Obviously, not starting does not preclude a player from playing the lion's share of minutes or being on the floor at crunch time.

[Assembly Hall]

Hartman, maybe. Obviously, not starting does not preclude a player from playing the lion's share of minutes or being on the floor at crunch time.


Any word on when Davis will be back?

[Hoosier Red]

Any word on when Davis will be back?

He started classes back up with everyone I believe, but I'd be surprises if he's able to get back into the physical shape necessary before the end of the season.

[Assembly Hall]

He started classes back up with everyone I believe, but I'd be surprises if he's able to get back into the physical shape necessary before the end of the season.


Dang, we need him!

[fearofpopvol1]

I know it's a Miss Cleo kind of prediction, but I really hope the idea of Brad Stevens eventually getting fired/leaving Boston and becoming the new IU coach happen.

[Assembly Hall]

I know it's a Miss Cleo kind of prediction, but I really hope the idea of Brad Stevens eventually getting fired/leaving Boston and becoming the new IU coach happen.


Well, Brad balked at that when the season began when IU was having off court issues and his name was thrown out there. But you never know what a guy's particular dream job might be. At present, I feel that Crean's job is safe and the Hoosiers are on track to make the tournament. But a melt down can easily happen, 16 more games in the B1G.

[Revering4Blue]

I know it's a Miss Cleo kind of prediction, but I really hope the idea of Brad Stevens eventually getting fired/leaving Boston and becoming the new IU coach happen.

Stevens recently publicly stated something to the effect that Crean is receiving unfair criticism and that Boston is where he wants to be. Stevens was hired in Boston under the pretense of a rebuilding situation as they have several First Round Picks in the next two or three years. As it stands today, the Tooth Fairy has a better chance of manifesting herself than Stevens coaching IU.

[fearofpopvol1]

Stevens recently publicly stated something to the effect that Crean is receiving unfair criticism and that Boston is where he wants to be. Stevens was hired in Boston under the pretense of a rebuilding situation as they have several First Round Picks in the next two or three years. As it stands today, the Tooth Fairy has a better chance of manifesting herself than Stevens coaching IU.

And Nick Saban was happy in Miami and Bobby Petrino was happy to be in Atlanta. I take what a coach says with a huge grain of salt. Boston is also a huge market that generally doesn't breed patience and they are still a long ways off from being any kind of threat.

I'm not saying Stevens will make his way to IU or anything but the reasons you provided for him not leaving Boston aren't overly convincing either IMO.

[Revering4Blue]

Crean's buyout is 12 million and drops to 7 million July 1st. If a change is made, it likely won't be until after the conclusion of next season, at the earliest.

[Revering4Blue]

And Nick Saban was happy in Miami and Bobby Petrino was happy to be in Atlanta. I take what a coach says with a huge grain of salt. Boston is also a huge market that generally doesn't breed patience and they are still a long ways off from being any kind of threat.

I'm not saying Stevens will make his way to IU or anything but the reasons you provided for him not leaving Boston aren't overly convincing either IMO.

Granted the East is bad this year, largely due to injuries (Indiana, Milwaukee, Brooklyn to name a few) and mediocre, at best, roster construction by the Cavs, the Celtics are currently only 2.5 games out of the last Playoff spot. Given the current NBA East climate, it's difficult to assume that any franchise is years away from anything.

[Assembly Hall]

And Nick Saban was happy in Miami and Bobby Petrino was happy to be in Atlanta. I take what a coach says with a huge grain of salt. Boston is also a huge market that generally doesn't breed patience and they are still a long ways off from being any kind of threat.

I'm not saying Stevens will make his way to IU or anything but the reasons you provided for him not leaving Boston aren't overly convincing either IMO.

I understand that logic and completely agree. For all I know Stevens would love to be the coach of the Hoosiers. But, he has not failed in Boston yet given the cards he has to play.

With all that being said, who knows.........Crean and the Hoosiers very well might surprise some this year. Right now, it looks as though Maryland and Wisconsin are the cream of the crop. If IU can get into that 3-5 range in the standings, then I would think most Hoosier fans would say it was a helluva year.

[fearofpopvol1]

Granted the East is bad this year, largely due to injuries (Indiana, Milwaukee, Brooklyn to name a few) and mediocre, at best, roster construction by the Cavs, the Celtics are currently only 2.5 games out of the last Playoff spot. Given the current NBA East climate, it's difficult to assume that any franchise is years away from anything.

Boston got off to a solid start but they will fade, especially sans Rondo. And you are totally correct that injuries have skewed the results quite a bit for the East this year. I think Celtics are a long ways off from being a legitimate threat and that's what is needed. You're not going to stockpile lots of great draft picks finishing 16th or whatever anyhow. Stevens is getting and will continue to get rope, but I'm not convinced that will last too much longer.

[Revering4Blue]

Boston got off to a solid start but they will fade, especially sans Rondo. And you are totally correct that injuries have skewed the results quite a bit for the East this year. I think Celtics are a long ways off from being a legitimate threat and that's what is needed. You're not going to stockpile lots of great draft picks finishing 16th or whatever anyhow. Stevens is getting and will continue to get rope, but I'm not convinced that will last too much longer.

This may be true, especially if Danny Ainge strikes out on trades/picks.

Unfortunately, if and when Stevens returns to the College game, I envision him with one of the chosen two in blue on Tobacco road, eventually succeeding retiring Roy Williams or Coach K. I hope to heck I'm wrong.

[Assembly Hall]

This may be true, especially if Danny Ainge strikes out on trades/picks.

Unfortunately, if and when Stevens returns to the College game, I envision him with one of the chosen two in blue on Tobacco road, eventually succeeding retiring Roy Williams or Coach K. I hope to heck I'm wrong.

Really Rev? I hope you are wrong as well.

[Hoosier Red]

Here's a podcast with two dopes talking about the Hoosiers...
https://t.co/UJ16T1Ith8

[Assembly Hall]

Here's a podcast with two dopes talking about the Hoosiers...
https://t.co/UJ16T1Ith8

I could only stand about 4 minutes of that HR!!!!!!!! LOL

[Hoosier Red]

I could only stand about 4 minutes of that HR!!!!!!!! LOL

Oh no. We're trying to make it more listenable. It's admittedly low tech and amateur, but I hope we're bringing some interesting discussion.

I'm the blonde headed dope, but I listen and realize I have to cut myself off from rambling too much.

[Assembly Hall]

Oh no. We're trying to make it more listenable. It's admittedly low tech and amateur, but I hope we're bringing some interesting discussion.

I'm the blonde headed dope, but I listen and realize I have to cut myself off from rambling too much.

I wondered as much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

[Razor Shines]

Here's a podcast with two dopes talking about the Hoosiers...
https://t.co/UJ16T1Ith8

I don't have time to watch it right now, but I'll get to it later tonight. You going to have an audio only version?

[Hoosier Red]

I don't have time to watch it right now, but I'll get to it later tonight. You going to have an audio only version?

I always argue for an audio only version so that people don't have to see my ugly mug. I'll see if I can get a link.

[Razor Shines]

I always argue for an audio only version so that people don't have to see my ugly mug. I'll see if I can get a link.

Well, I have a lot of time that I will devote to podcasts but almost all of it is when I'm mobile. That's my only reason for asking.

[fearofpopvol1]

This may be true, especially if Danny Ainge strikes out on trades/picks.

Unfortunately, if and when Stevens returns to the College game, I envision him with one of the chosen two in blue on Tobacco road, eventually succeeding retiring Roy Williams or Coach K. I hope to heck I'm wrong.

And you very well may be right. The stars may not align but Stevens did grow up rooting for IU and there is the potential for that sentimental component. At least I hope there is!

[Revering4Blue]

And you very well may be right. The stars may not align but Stevens did grow up rooting for IU and there is the potential for that sentimental component. At least I hope there is!

Don't we all. But in my case, under the caveat that I want Crean to succeed so long as he is coaching IU.

[Hoosier Red]

Yeah i asked my partner who does all the production to do it. I'll post a link when it's done.

[Assembly Hall]

And you very well may be right. The stars may not align but Stevens did grow up rooting for IU and there is the potential for that sentimental component. At least I hope there is!


As I said earlier, everyone has their "dream job" and we never really know what that is. I too hope that Brad has his eye on Bloomington. If he doesn't, then we need to start looking around at the landscape right now. Although I think Crean is safe right now, the B1G seems to be pretty balanced after Wisconsin(which could run the table). I think CTC's margin of error is minimal. But that is JMHO.

[WVRed]

This may be true, especially if Danny Ainge strikes out on trades/picks.

Unfortunately, if and when Stevens returns to the College game, I envision him with one of the chosen two in blue on Tobacco road, eventually succeeding retiring Roy Williams or Coach K. I hope to heck I'm wrong.

I think it's Indiana, Kentucky, and Louisville vying for his services, and that's assuming Cal retires or goes back to the NBA for a run with LeBron

[Razor Shines]

Well winning is fun. The way IU started that game I thought they were gonna get beat by 20 again but they did a pretty good job of re-grouping.

[RedTeamGo!]

Osu is soft this year.

[Assembly Hall]

Osu is soft this year.

Soft or not........I will take the W.

[dubc47834]

As I said earlier, everyone has their "dream job" and we never really know what that is. I too hope that Brad has his eye on Bloomington. If he doesn't, then we need to start looking around at the landscape right now. Although I think Crean is safe right now, the B1G seems to be pretty balanced after Wisconsin(which could run the table). I think CTC's margin of error is minimal. But that is JMHO.


Take it for what it's worth, but a guy I work with does a lot of stuff with AAU teams and knows a lot of former IU players and alumni. He has been told that if the university wants to get rid of Crean, that the money is there. Also, he was told that while Stevens was with Butler he had some kind of clause in his contract that if the Indiana job came open he could go there. I don't know what stipulations there were or anything. Like I said, take it for what it's worth, but I generally believe the guy!

[Assembly Hall]

Take it for what it's worth, but a guy I work with does a lot of stuff with AAU teams and knows a lot of former IU players and alumni. He has been told that if the university wants to get rid of Crean, that the money is there. Also, he was told that while Stevens was with Butler he had some kind of clause in his contract that if the Indiana job came open he could go there. I don't know what stipulations there were or anything. Like I said, take it for what it's worth, but I generally believe the guy!

Actually, I heard the same thing from my cousin(Butler backer) concerning Stevens' contract. But I also heard that about Alford back in the day.

[Hoosier Red]

Actually, I heard the same thing from my cousin(Butler backer) concerning Stevens' contract. But I also heard that about Alford back in the day.

Big win today. As I said to a friend, more runs than the night after dinner at La Bambas. Just crazy swings back and forth.

Take care of business @home and IU is BACK*

*In the NCAA Tournament at least.

[Assembly Hall]

Troy Williams is starting to look scary good. And JBJ is starting to figure out how to play defense.

[Hoosier Red]

Troy Williams is starting to look scary good. And JBJ is starting to figure out how to play defense.

Yeah, although he was gambling (and coming up empty) a little too often for my tastes yesterday.

The rebounding was huge for IU yesterday. Just strong box outs from beginning to end. I pretty much automatically assume IU is going to get outrebounded. I think IU can still find ways to win even when that's the case. But if IU outrebounds the opponent? I almost expect that to equal automatic victory.

[Assembly Hall]

Well for whatever reason HR, the Illini didn't exploit IU's lack of post presence. They seemed content to shoot from the perimeter, and did it well. But it didn't help their best quality, FT shooting. Don't know if that was IU's game plan or not. But Illinois seemed to be content.

[Hoosier Red]

Well for whatever reason HR, the Illini didn't exploit IU's lack of post presence. They seemed content to shoot from the perimeter, and did it well. But it didn't help their best quality, FT shooting. Don't know if that was IU's game plan or not. But Illinois seemed to be content.

That early hot streak from UofI might have been the best thing that could happen? A couple guys got it in their head to keep jacking up 3's even after they stopped going down. :)

[Assembly Hall]

That early hot streak from UofI might have been the best thing that could happen? A couple guys got it in their head to keep jacking up 3's even after they stopped going down. :)

Yes sir. It was quite strange to say the least. They pretty much played right into IU's hands. If I was an Illinois fan I would be questioning that. But I aint and I will take the W.

[thatcoolguy_22]

On another note, IU is back in the top 25! 23 in both polls with a big game at home against Maryland next on the agenda.

[Assembly Hall]

On another note, IU is back in the top 25! 23 in both polls with a big game at home against Maryland next on the agenda.


Shhhhhhhhhh. Don't ruin it.......I want to stay under the radar!!!!!!!!!!

[dubc47834]

On another note, IU is back in the top 25! 23 in both polls with a big game at home against Maryland next on the agenda.

I'll be at that game!

I bought the tickets before I realized Maryland was good...LOL

[Hoosier Red]

I'll be at that game!

I bought the tickets before I realized Maryland was good...LOL

You got your tickets before anyone else knew they were good either. :) Apparently, most expensive secondary market since Gameday came to The Assembly Hall a few years ago.

[Razor Shines]

Stop shouting "Over Rated" you're hurting our strength of schedule.

Wow, sometimes you just make all your shots and all the right passes. Twelve 3's off of a pass is pretty incredible.

[Revering4Blue]

Where would this team be without Collin Hartman? His rebounds and blocks per minute are higher than HMPs.

[Revering4Blue]

This article is a few days old, but well-worth the read.

BOZICH | The story CBS, ESPN and others have missed on Indiana basketball

http://www.wdrb.com/story/27885530/bozich-the-story-cbs-espn-and-others-have-missed-on-indiana-basketball#.VL-p5PJ1qbY.email

[Revering4Blue]

You think college basketball is unwatchable this year? Turn on an Indiana game.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/22/you-think-college-basketball-is-unwatchable-this-year-turn-on-an-indiana-game/

[Assembly Hall]

Big win last night. Hopefully they can keep it going.

[Hoosier Red]

Where would this team be without Collin Hartman? His rebounds and blocks per minute are higher than HMPs.

I'm trying to think what would be more dispiriting if I were a B1G forward or center. Having my shot blocked by Hartman or being "dunked" on by Hartman.

I use the term dunked on loosely here, he got bumped a little bit which turned it into the Mark Price power layup contest rather than a real dunk.

[dubc47834]

Stop shouting "Over Rated" you're hurting our strength of schedule.

Wow, sometimes you just make all your shots and all the right passes. Twelve 3's off of a pass is pretty incredible.


And sometimes you make all those shots because you moved the ball REALLY well on a given night. The Hoosiers played really good last nite, the Hall was packed and jumping. Who cares if the students was yelling over rated...it's all a part of coming to Bloomington and getting beat!!!

[Razor Shines]

And sometimes you make all those shots because you moved the ball REALLY well on a given night. The Hoosiers played really good last nite, the Hall was packed and jumping. Who cares if the students was yelling over rated...it's all a part of coming to Bloomington and getting beat!!!

Yeah, they did play great last night. Like I said twelve 3's off of a pass is just amazing. I was mostly joking about the chant. It's just one that has NEVER made sense to me. It's like "yeah, our team is really good, well not really that team just isn't that good. We're still mediocre."

[dubc47834]

You got your tickets before anyone else knew they were good either. :) Apparently, most expensive secondary market since Gameday came to The Assembly Hall a few years ago.

I got them fairly early in the season. I didn't hear that about the secondary market stuff. It was crazy though, I got to go down on court before the game. We asked the usher if we could go down some to take a few pictures, she said sure. So we kept going further down expecting someone to stop us, nope...LOL!!! We got right under the IU goal the were shooting on a took a few pics of Yogi and Troy. Was a good nite!!!

[dubc47834]

Yeah, they did play great last night. Like I said twelve 3's off of a pass is just amazing. I was mostly joking about the chant. It's just one that has NEVER made sense to me. It's like "yeah, our team is really good, well not really that team just isn't that good. We're still mediocre."

I don't know about the mediocre thing man, I know we are not an elite team, but this team is 1 of the best shooting teams in the country. That's without looking at the "real" stats, making that judement off of watching a lot of the other teams play. They have played better than I thought on the road so far. I woulda never thought this far into the Big 10 season IU would be tired for 1st place. I'm not completely sold yet, but they are starting to win me over!!!

[Assembly Hall]

I woulda never thought this far into the Big 10 season IU would be tired for 1st place. I'm not completely sold yet, but they are starting to win me over!!!

I aint to sure a month ago I wouldn't have projected them at 1-5!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Razor Shines]

I don't know about the mediocre thing man, I know we are not an elite team, but this team is 1 of the best shooting teams in the country. That's without looking at the "real" stats, making that judement off of watching a lot of the other teams play. They have played better than I thought on the road so far. I woulda never thought this far into the Big 10 season IU would be tired for 1st place. I'm not completely sold yet, but they are starting to win me over!!!

You're really getting hung up on this whole chant thing. It was simply an exercise in absurdity. I wasn't saying I think IU is mediocre.

[Razor Shines]

I really don't understand the defensive strategy behind playing 4 feet off of Shannon Scott and letting him set up and shoot wide open 16-18 foot jumpers. I understand shooting isn't his game but I think anyone's game is basically having time to go through your free throw routine before taking a shot. At least get within an arms length.

[Razor Shines]

Played like crap on the road again, which I guess to be expected.

[Hoosier Red]

Played like crap on the road again, which I guess to be expected.

Eh, they're 2-2 on the road in conference. No defense, and tOSU hung with the dribble penetration which took alot of steam out of IU's shooting.

[Assembly Hall]

I will still take 5-2 in the conference at this juncture.

[Revering4Blue]

It's no secret that in order to win, they must accomplish at least two of the following:

1)Shoot well (duh).

2)Limit turnovers.

3)Win the hustle points battle -- collective rebounds+Steals+blocks total.

The style of play lends itself to games like this. For that reason alone, I don't get too excited after wins or get too down after loses, especially in this conference, where EVERY road game will be difficult.

That stated, hats off to the Buckeyes, who played a great game. Russell's the real deal, and they create match-up problems of their own by also going smaller.

[traderumor]

That was the best Ohio State looked all season. Looked like a team today.

[Simon Rhymon]

The cameras spend way too much time following Crean stalk the sidelines. He can be as hyper-active as he wants, but there is no reason to involve the viewer in his incessant pacing.

[Assembly Hall]

That was the best Ohio State looked all season. Looked like a team today.

And that was tOSU team that Hoosier fans didn't want to see.

[Assembly Hall]

The cameras spend way too much time following Crean stalk the sidelines. He can be as hyper-active as he wants, but there is no reason to involve the viewer in his incessant pacing.

Well you better send an e-mail to CBS with the complaint. But I do get a kick out of it when they show him all the time sucking on a bottled water. It definitely enhances my viewing pleasure.

[Hoosier Red]

Well you better send an e-mail to CBS with the complaint. But I do get a kick out of it when they show him all the time sucking on a bottled water. It definitely enhances my viewing pleasure.

Did you see the Ohio State fan who stole his Diet Coke?
http://collegespun.com/big-ten/ohio-state/photo-ohio-state-student-may-have-stolen-tom-creans-diet-coke-during-game

[Razor Shines]

I'm looking at my Facebook timeline and I keep seeing people saying Purdue out hustled IU and all this but IU out rebounded Purdue on the offensive end 19-8. They only had 11 turn overs. Purdue shot 60% from the field and went to the line 33 times. IU couldn't hit a shot.

[Assembly Hall]

I'm looking at my Facebook timeline and I keep seeing people saying Purdue out hustled IU and all this but IU out rebounded Purdue on the offensive end 19-8. They only had 11 turn overs. Purdue shot 60% from the field and went to the line 33 times. IU couldn't hit a shot.


Pretty much sums it up right there. IU will die by the three.

[traderumor]

I'm looking at my Facebook timeline and I keep seeing people saying Purdue out hustled IU and all this but IU out rebounded Purdue on the offensive end 19-8. They only had 11 turn overs. Purdue shot 60% from the field and went to the line 33 times. IU couldn't hit a shot.Ohio State also shot for a high percentage. It could be the defensive liability of the smaller lineup catching up with them.

[Donder]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/29/1e0698260024c787888b5d0148d96ff6.jpg

[Razor Shines]

Ohio State also shot for a high percentage. It could be the defensive liability of the smaller lineup catching up with them.

Yeah. I don't think anyone has ever suggested they won't have trouble with bigger teams. My point was that even with being out sized they still out rebounded Purdue, I don't think it was a lack of effort as some people I know have suggested.

[Hoosier Red]

No I agree with Razor, it's not a lack of effort. IU just sucks defensively.

[Brutus]

No I agree with Razor, it's not a lack of effort. IU just sucks defensively.

Pretty much this.

Indiana right now ranks 228 out of 350 teams in adjusted defensive efficiency. At the end of the day, unless you have one of the most prolific offenses in the history of basketball, you're not going to win any titles or advance very deep in the tournament with that kind of defense.

Indiana has a glorified AAU offense in that it's primarily ball screen, drive and kick. When the shots aren't falling at a 40-50 percent clip from behind the arc, they're not keeping pace defensively. It's not a good situation when the team has to hit 50 percent from deep to win games. That's not a good recipe.

[Assembly Hall]

They are just horrid on the defensive end. I really don't know why they don't go to a full court press.

[Razor Shines]

They are just horrid on the defensive end. I really don't know why they don't go to a full court press.

Well Blackmon is slow and undersized, Hartman is slow and undersized. Yogi is a good on the ball defender but again pretty small. If we had guards with Troy Williams length and athleticism it might work. As bad as they are in the half court, I really think a press would be a disaster.

[Revering4Blue]

Well Blackmon is slow and undersized, Hartman is slow and undersized. Yogi is a good on the ball defender but again pretty small. If we had guards with Troy Williams length and athleticism it might work. As bad as they are in the half court, I really think a press would be a disaster.

Then why not utilize Troy's length and athleticism at the figurative teeth of the press?

[Assembly Hall]

I look at it this way. We are a guard oriented team. We live by the 3 and we die by the 3. A lot of teams are the same way. We got plenty of smalls. But we also have Troy, Holt, and April. Dang try it a time or two. It cant get any worse.

[Revering4Blue]

I look at it this way. We are a guard oriented team. We live by the 3 and we die by the 3. A lot of teams are the same way. We got plenty of smalls. But we also have Troy, Holt, and April. Dang try it a time or two. It cant get any worse.

That's about how I view things.

Supplementing the current system by utilizing the press may reduce the dependency on the three by possibly creating turnovers, which lead to easy baskets. Should the opposing team score an easy basket by breaking the press, chances are that they would have scored easily against our halfcourt defense anyway. One other factor to consider is that none of our bigs -- I don't really count Hartman as a big for this purpose -- offer much offensively at this point, but HMP, Holt, heck, even April could at least serve as "Goalie", allowing us to pressure the ball more effectively, while hiding the weaknesses of individual defenders, such as JB Jr., as you mentioned.

Lastly, controlling tempo, for better or worse, would be easier. I'm not necessarily suggesting that we go all Loyola Marymount -- You, AH, are my age, so I'm certain that you, as well as others, get the LMU reference -- but more possesions for us offensively seems like a good thing. Don't forget, that 1990 LMU team also scored plenty of easy baskets off of forced turnovers by the press, especially after the untimely death of Hank Gathers.

--- Sorry to get off topic, but I had to make a point or two.....or three...:D ---

[Assembly Hall]

Love the LMU reference Rev. That sure was an entertaining team to watch. But I agree with everything you said about IU. I think they got the pieces to make it high octane.

[Brutus]

This IU team, as Razor has said, is not built to press. It's not deep enough, it doesn't have enough length or athleticism and does not have a rim protector at the back end of the press to slow things down if the pressure doesn't create a turnover.

I think fullcourt pressure would be a huge defensive disaster.

[Assembly Hall]

I don't know. I have seen them throw it out there a few times this year and it seemed to work pretty good. If anything, it keeps the other team out of their half court offense and might also make them get forced to go small. I dunno.

[Hoosier Red]

I don't know. I have seen them throw it out there a few times this year and it seemed to work pretty good. If anything, it keeps the other team out of their half court offense and might also make them get forced to go small. I dunno.

I only remember it once against Rutgers, and it was a disaster from the word go.
While it's true they gave up plenty of easy baskets in the halfcourt, it was certainly not successful in that limited sample.

In general, I don't see what's wrong with depending on the three pointer. Sure there may be games where it exacerbates a bad shooting night, but how often do we expect that to happen? There are also going to be games where they're physically outplayed but find a way to win because a couple of guys get hot from the three point line. That's a trade I'm willing to make right now.

[Razor Shines]

I only remember it once against Rutgers, and it was a disaster from the word go.
While it's true they gave up plenty of easy baskets in the halfcourt, it was certainly not successful in that limited sample.

In general, I don't see what's wrong with depending on the three pointer. Sure there may be games where it exacerbates a bad shooting night, but how often do we expect that to happen? There are also going to be games where they're physically outplayed but find a way to win because a couple of guys get hot from the three point line. That's a trade I'm willing to make right now.

I agree. With this roster, I really think living by the 3 is the best way to go.

[Hoosier Red]

I agree. With this roster, I really think living by the 3 is the best way to go.

The notable downside to the strategy is that I'm guessing it will make bad losses worse. But is it realistic to think a different strategy would have resulted in a win against Sparty or Purdue on the road?

Against tOSU they actually shot it pretty well from deep, but just turned it over too much and gave up to many scores on the other end.

[Razor Shines]

I realize it's not even close to why we lost but these refs have been awful. So many touch fouls called every time the Badgers drive but not a damn thing called against them.

Also, I don't think we lived by the three enough tonight. A lot of forced drives to the rim when I feel they should have just let it fly more often.

[Hoosier Red]

Nice effort for the back door cover.

[Razor Shines]

Nice effort for the back door cover.

Man, I didn't check it before but if I had I would have taken Indiana to cover 13.5, good thing I don't bet on teams I root for.

[Assembly Hall]

I realize it's not even close to why we lost but these refs have been awful. So many touch fouls called every time the Badgers drive but not a damn thing called against them.

I didn't get to watch much of the game, but I was tuned in when Dakich mentioned that very same thing.

[Razor Shines]

Gosh. This team certainly has it's holes but they can really shoot. They've gone from one of the worst deep shooting teams I've ever seen to one of the best in one season.

[Assembly Hall]

Gosh. This team certainly has it's holes but they can really shoot. They've gone from one of the worst deep shooting teams I've ever seen to one of the best in one season.


Isnt it something? God, they are fun to watch.

[Razor Shines]

Coach what play are we running?

Let's run Yogi Pull again.

Also, the announcer on the Big Ten Network just said that Maryland get's everyone's A game because they came over from the ACC. That seems ridiculous. I cannot imagine how that would be any extra motivation for anyone.

[Razor Shines]

That was a great look for Yogi. I'd love to have gotten that win but can't ask for a better shot.

[Assembly Hall]

Also, the announcer on the Big Ten Network just said that Maryland get's everyone's A game because they came over from the ACC. That seems ridiculous. I cannot imagine how that would be any extra motivation for anyone.

I missed that comment. But I could see where teams might want to show the "new kid on the block" what the conference is all about.

[Revering4Blue]

That was a great look for Yogi. I'd love to have gotten that win but can't ask for a better shot.

Despite the loss, I still maintain a glass is half full attitude. Only losing by just two points, in spite of a collective low shooting percentage from both the field and free throw line, on the road will do that. Plus, HMP actually positively contributed.

[Razor Shines]

Despite the loss, I still maintain a glass is half full attitude. Only losing by just two points, in spite of a collective low shooting percentage from both the field and free throw line, on the road will do that. Plus, HMP actually positively contributed.

Yeah, I agree. If Blackmon is anywhere close to his normal self, IU probably wins that game. Or like you said, if they shoot free throws like they normally do.

[Revering4Blue]

Yeah, I agree. If Blackmon is anywhere close to his normal self, IU probably wins that game. Or like you said, if they shoot free throws like they normally do.

As of now, JBJr isn't close to the next Stephen Curry, as many recruiters/scouts prematurely proclaimed him. He and Robert Johnson both continue to make the freshman mistake of driving right into the teeth of the defense, only to get stripped of the ball or to have the shot blocked. This isn't high school, they cannot get away with that on this level.

[Assembly Hall]

As of now, JBJr isn't close to the next Stephen Curry, as many recruiters/scouts prematurely proclaimed him. He and Robert Johnson both continue to make the freshman mistake of driving right into the teeth of the defense, only to get stripped of the ball or to have the shot blocked. This isn't high school, they cannot get away with that on this level.

Maybe they picked that habit up from watching Stanford Robinson?

[Strikes Out Looking]

I was at the IU-Maryland Game Wed. night. Exciting game, IU played great on very hostile territory. As stated above, the team, except for Yogi, is very young and makes big mistakes. If they can get a decent big man next year, they'll be very exciting to watch in 2016.

[Razor Shines]

The funny thing about Oladipo being in the dunk contest is I seem to remember his last season with IU we kinda got flack from fans of other schools any time would talk about one of his dunks on this message board. Along the lines of "you guys act like you never had a player who could dunk before" or something like that. At the time, I thought, I don't know maybe but it looks pretty nasty to me, maybe he is not that special and we're just starved for athletic players. When in truth no, of course not, VO was legitimately nasty and was not just the best "dunker" IU has had for while but is one of the most explosive dunkers in the NBA right now.

[thatcoolguy_22]

18 3's?!?! Shooting like that and with a floor general like yogi and IU could do damage in the tournament this year.

[dubc47834]

Troy Williams is gonna screw around a turn himself into a lottery pick next year. I find it hard to leave the room when he is on the court, afraid I'll miss something special!!!

[Razor Shines]

Troy Williams is gonna screw around a turn himself into a lottery pick next year. I find it hard to leave the room when he is on the court, afraid I'll miss something special!!!

Crean certainly has a knack for taking a guy who's an incredible athlete but unpolished basketball player and turning him into an outstanding basketball player. Williams is making such strides.

[Assembly Hall]

I have been pretty hard on the Hoosiers and Crean these past few years. But I got to admit I love watching them play right now. They kind of remind me of that '84 team. Lots of youth and inexperience, but dang they played hard. This team can flat arsz shoot, now if they can just work out some defensive kinks.

[Revering4Blue]

Tom Crean holds Indiana press conference with fan battling ALS (VIDEO)

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/16/tom-crean-holds-indiana-press-conference-with-fan-battling-als-video/

[Assembly Hall]

Tom Crean holds Indiana press conference with fan battling ALS (VIDEO)

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/16/tom-crean-holds-indiana-press-conference-with-fan-battling-als-video/

Thanks for putting that out there Rev. It brought a tear to my eye. As a Father of a handicapped daughter, we need more of this kind of stuff.

[fearofpopvol1]

This is certainly one of the more interesting teams IU has had, maybe the most interesting of the Crean era. There were not super high expectations going into the season (at least not by me!), and there have been ups and downs this season, but it's largely been a success. The talent level and athleticism is incredible.

However, I am weary about a team that plays poor defensively. If the 3s aren't falling, it's going to be tough. You have to hope they don't play a Virginia or Gonzaga type team.

[Assembly Hall]

This is certainly one of the more interesting teams IU has had, maybe the most interesting of the Crean era. There were not super high expectations going into the season (at least not by me!), and there have been ups and downs this season, but it's largely been a success. The talent level and athleticism is incredible.

However, I am weary about a team that plays poor defensively. If the 3s aren't falling, it's going to be tough. You have to hope they don't play a Virginia or Gonzaga type team.

Well, I would say that in the "Crean era" they have always had a big man or at least some semblance of one. It has been an interesting season to watch to say the least.

[Playadlc]

Ummmm...not good.

[Razor Shines]

I hate Seth Greenburg. That's all I know for sure.

[fearofpopvol1]

I can remember a time where losing to Purdue twice in the same season was a fireable offense. I know Purdue has been a lot better since entering Big 10 play, but this was an unacceptable loss.

[thatcoolguy_22]

I can remember a time where losing to Purdue twice in the same season was a fireable offense. I know Purdue has been a lot better since entering Big 10 play, but this was an unacceptable loss.

I'm sick of watching the final 45 seconds of a close game and Crean sitting on time outs. I'm a fan of Yogi, but run a play to get a rel look that doesn't involve him sprinting up the floor and taking a contested 3 or 15 ft jumper. Crean routinely is out coached on game day, and I'm ready to move on. Just look at the Syracuse game from a couple years ago in the tournament. He had an entire game with arguably IU's best team in 20 years and couldn't come up with a way to beat a 2-3 zone. THEY RAN THE SAME DEFENSE FOR 40 MINUTES!!!

[Revering4Blue]

I'm sick of watching the final 45 seconds of a close game and Crean sitting on time outs. I'm a fan of Yogi, but run a play to get a rel look that doesn't involve him sprinting up the floor and taking a contested 3 or 15 ft jumper. Crean routinely is out coached on game day, and I'm ready to move on. Just look at the Syracuse game from a couple years ago in the tournament. He had an entire game with arguably IU's best team in 20 years and couldn't come up with a way to beat a 2-3 zone. THEY RAN THE SAME DEFENSE FOR 40 MINUTES!!!

Routinely? That's a stretch.

Granted, I do agree with you about the Syracuse debacle, but it isn't as if legends, such as Dean Smith and Roy Williams, haven't been out-coached by Boeheim in big games over the years.

As for Thursday night's game, yeah, I sort of question the sitting on timeouts, but by calling one, you're allowing Purdue to get set defensively. With one of the best units in 3 point FG defense, along with intimidating shotblockers, who's to say IU would have been successful in tying the score or taking the lead. And, if they had been successful, would people be giving Crean credit for not allowing Painter to set-up his defense? When you're getting killed on the boards and go 10-16 from the charity stripe, it's a miracle to even be in a position to pull the game out. As for defending Hammons and company with a team with limited size, pick your poison. You zone, and you allow the adept ballhandlers a clear path to the basket. You double team, Hammons or Haas see clearly over the double team and Purdue gets easy layups/dunks.

Yes, it sucks to be swept by Purdue, but I'll call it for what it is; a horrible matchup for IU and move on.

[Assembly Hall]

Yes, it sucks to be swept by Purdue, but I'll call it for what it is; a horrible matchup for IU and move on.

Amen to that.

[Hoosier Red]

Step one in the Bachman Turner Overdrive road trip is done. Step 2 commences Wednesday.

[Assembly Hall]

Step one in the Bachman Turner Overdrive road trip is done. Step 2 commences Wednesday.

Did I read this right? Rutgers has won a game since they defeated Wiscy?

[Hoosier Red]

Did I read this right? Rutgers has won a game since they defeated Wiscy?

That's correct. And they haven't been particularly close. That loss alone should eliminate Wisconsin from a 1 seed.

[Assembly Hall]

That's correct. And they haven't been particularly close. That loss alone should eliminate Wisconsin from a 1 seed.


I seen that. Only one loss in that stretch was by single digits. Wow. However, I think Wiscy should be on the 1 line right here, right now.

[Razor Shines]

I think I'm gonna be sick.

[Razor Shines]

I don't know if Hartman makes that much of a difference on the offensive end or they're just playing really sloppy. Some of both probably. I think if you were one hoping to get rid of Crean, you may get your wish.

[BillDoran]

I don't know if Hartman makes that much of a difference on the offensive end or they're just playing really sloppy. Some of both probably. I think if you were one hoping to get rid of Crean, you may get your wish.

Lots of anxiety in the University of Dayton fanbase concerning Archie Miller's possible move to Bloomington.

Probably jumping the gun here - but honestly who wants to talk about the product on the court? - would Hoosier fans be excited about Miller as a head coach?

Have other names been tossed around?

[Assembly Hall]

Lots of anxiety in the University of Dayton fanbase concerning Archie Miller's possible move to Bloomington.

Probably jumping the gun here - but honestly who wants to talk about the product on the court? - would Hoosier fans be excited about Miller as a head coach?

Have other names been tossed around?

Miller is a guy that has been talked about. Most of the Hoosier faithful that I know want Brad Stevens. Another name they like is Tony Bennett. But some Hoosier fans want an IU guy in charge, I have seen names like Dane Fife, Calbert Cheaney, and A.J. Guyton thrown out there.

One thing is for sure...we need a coach that can win in the last month of the season. This is getting to be sickening. I do believe this the 4th year in a row where a melt down has occurred.

[Assembly Hall]

I don't know if Hartman makes that much of a difference on the offensive end or they're just playing really sloppy. Some of both probably. I think if you were one hoping to get rid of Crean, you may get your wish.

And let the debate begin. Crean is a good coach, but I don't know if the fan base is gonna give him another pass.

[jimbo]

Miller is a guy that has been talked about. Most of the Hoosier faithful that I know want Brad Stevens. Another name they like is Tony Bennett. But some Hoosier fans want an IU guy in charge, I have seen names like Dane Fife, Calbert Cheaney, and A.J. Guyton thrown out there.

One thing is for sure...we need a coach that can win in the last month of the season. This is getting to be sickening. I do believe this the 4th year in a row where a melt down has occurred.

One thing Miller has shown these two past years is that his teams excel when the games mean the most. They are playing their best ball now, just as they did towards the end of last season.

As a UD fan, there is not any anxiety on my part. Miller will eventually leave for another opportunity, not a matter of if, but when. Having said that, I really doubt it will be after this season. This team will be pretty loaded the next two seasons. I think he'll stay for at least one more season, maybe two.

[Hoosier Red]

Lots of anxiety in the University of Dayton fanbase concerning Archie Miller's possible move to Bloomington.

Probably jumping the gun here - but honestly who wants to talk about the product on the court? - would Hoosier fans be excited about Miller as a head coach?

two words
Hell and Yes



Have other names been tossed around?

I've heard a lot of names that quite honestly I don't think IU could attract. Archie's brother, Brad Stevens. Hell one name I've heard that I'm not even 100% would come is Chris Collins. Can you imagine the embarrassment if a coach said, "No I'm good in Evanston. Kthxbye"

[Hoosier Red]

And let the debate begin. Crean is a good coach, but I don't know if the fan base is gonna give him another pass.

Nope. I've been far more reticent to jump aboard the Fire Crean bandwagon, but I really don't know how he could possibly survive this free fall.

[Assembly Hall]

Nope. I've been far more reticent to jump aboard the Fire Crean bandwagon, but I really don't know how he could possibly survive this free fall.

Well some would say we are gonna be loaded next year. Which could be true if everyone returns. I just don't know.

[Playadlc]

Lots of rumors in the Peegs chat last night. Getting kinda crazy.

I don't see any scenario where Crean survives this.

[Hoosier Red]

Well some would say we are gonna be loaded next year. Which could be true if everyone returns. I just don't know.
I've seen that, but my response would be;
1) Everyone can't return since they have 2 maybe 3 recruits coming in
2) Has any individual player shown something that makes you say, "Oh yeah, he'll be demonstrably better next year"

[fearofpopvol1]

Crean has 9 NCAA tourney wins in 15 seasons and 4 of those are thanks to Dwayne Wade. I personally felt like they should've gone farther when they had Zeller and that Crean was outcoached. I don't know if that was a fireable offense but that was a big letdown. But this season ending? I think it's time to go. Good recruiter but not a good coach in my opinion. I am thankful to him for turning around the program though and making it respectable again.

#BradStevensIU

[Assembly Hall]

I have heard several "rumors". The only thing that is gonna make them better next year is if they learn to play defense!!!!!!!

[Brutus]

And let the debate begin. Crean is a good coach, but I don't know if the fan base is gonna give him another pass.

I don't know that I'd classify Crean as a good coach. I guess I have to ask... based on what? He has a losing record in the month of March for his entire career. He's only been to the second weekend of the NCAA Tournament THREE (3) times his entire career, and only once beyond the Sweet Sixteen. What's more? He has a .398 win percentage in the Big Ten since he arrived at Indiana.

The stock response to Crean is that he "turned Indiana around." This is Indiana... a blueblood; a monkey should have been able to come in and turn Indiana around. At most, you could argue Crean is a good recruiter, but if you argue that, then it kind of suggests he's not a very good coach or else one has to admit the program has been lackluster and underachievers the past 3-4 seasons.

Fortunately, IU would have Archie Miller or Gregg Marshall in Bloomington to really get the program where it probably belongs. Unfortunately, Fred Glass seems to be obstructing IU justice.

[SunDeck]

Dudes, someone just left four IU/MSU tickets on our scanner. One of my staff members brought them to me. Section B, row 16, similar tickets are going for about $250 a piece on Stubbhub.

We will probably end up reconnecting this guy with the tickets, but sheesh, what a moron.
I'm imagining he has a facebook post with a scan of the tickets, bragging that he's going to scalp them for a grand.

[Hoosier Red]

I don't know that I'd classify Crean as a good coach. I guess I have to ask... based on what? He has a losing record in the month of March for his entire career. He's only been to the second weekend of the NCAA Tournament THREE (3) times his entire career, and only once beyond the Sweet Sixteen. What's more? He has a .398 win percentage in the Big Ten since he arrived at Indiana.

The stock response to Crean is that he "turned Indiana around." This is Indiana... a blueblood; a monkey should have been able to come in and turn Indiana around. At most, you could argue Crean is a good recruiter, but if you argue that, then it kind of suggests he's not a very good coach or else one has to admit the program has been lackluster and underachievers the past 3-4 seasons.

Fortunately, IU would have Archie Miller or Gregg Marshall in Bloomington to really get the program where it probably belongs. Unfortunately, Fred Glass seems to be obstructing IU justice.

IU Justice? I'm not sure it's risen to a level of injustice:)

The main problem I have is one of momentum, and I don't see how he can re-start the program's momentum. If he's not fired, I see the season playing out like the Reds in 2013. Any recruiting win over the offseason will be met with a shrug because nothing matters until they get on the court. Once on the court, any victory will be shrugged off because it doesn't really matter until February/March when we expect the bottom to drop out. On the flip side any loss, on the court or in recruiting, is just more proof in the fan base's mind that he doesn't have what it takes and needs to go.

It's just really hard for a coach to regain the fan base's trust after falling this far.

[Brutus]

IU Justice? I'm not sure it's risen to a level of injustice:)

The main problem I have is one of momentum, and I don't see how he can re-start the program's momentum. If he's not fired, I see the season playing out like the Reds in 2013. Any recruiting win over the offseason will be met with a shrug because nothing matters until they get on the court. Once on the court, any victory will be shrugged off because it doesn't really matter until February/March when we expect the bottom to drop out. On the flip side any loss, on the court or in recruiting, is just more proof in the fan base's mind that he doesn't have what it takes and needs to go.

It's just really hard for a coach to regain the fan base's trust after falling this far.

I've had many conversations with our mutual friend, and one of the things we constantly mention is that Crean will never have Indiana consistently where it should be, but it seems they're going to be just mediocre enough Glass won't fire him. If Yogi and/or Troy Williams bolt after this season, you're going to see the same sort of Indiana team next season and ultimately Glass talking about 'overachieving.'

I'm not even an IU fan and frankly I can see this coming a mile away.

[WMR]

Isn't his buyout still huge?

IMO, Crean just needs some more time.

[Revering4Blue]

Isn't his buyout still huge?

IMO, Crean just needs some more time.

From everything I've heard from donors and alumni close to the situation, should Glass decide to go in a different direction, the money is there.

However, for the reasons that Brutus mentioned, I don't foresee it happening, regardless of how the rest of the season plays out. After all, the team was projected to finish 9th in the B1G. And, even if Crean were to be canned, the Brad Stevens arrives to save IU mantra remains, IMO, a fantasy. He's coaching his arse off for the NBA's most storied franchise. As banged up as they are, they're still, most likely a playoff team with this year, with a slew of future 1st round picks in tow. With the core already in place in Beantown, If GM Danny Ainge hits on only 50 per cent of his 1st rounders, the Celtics will be a force in the East for years to come. Stevens would be nuts to walk away from that.

Even with the dramatic change in the NCAA hoop landscape, IU is still most definitely a blueblood program. Unlike, for example, UK or KU, an IU coach doesn't have to recruit nationally to be successful -- successful: as in consistent challenger for NCAA title. Even so, since half of the battle is reaching the NCAA tourney in the first place, does it make sense for Gregg Marshall, who's is building a Gonzaga of the Midwest situation, to head to Bloomington? Ditto for Archie Miller and Chris Mack, at least to some extent. While Dayton and Xavier are not bluebloods, they both sport much stronger than given credit for traditions/fanbases. Plus, the respective coaches at the aforementioned schools have built, or are in the process of building, something special. As for another name, whose name keeps popping up whenever a high-profile job opens, Shaka Smart, even though he's turned down several job opportunities in the past few years. Smart is a Midwestern guy, and would have access to talent that he can only dream about at VCU.

IMHO, it is apparent that Smart has taken the VCU program as far as possible, so it is certainly conceivable that should Glass come calling, Smart says "yes" to IU, unless the Florida job opens first, which isn't likely.

[Playadlc]

No way Tom Crean is at IU next year. How could he possibly successfully recruit at this point? Even Peegs said recruiting is "dead in the water" if Tom comes back.

He's gone. I don't know how it will play out exactly, but I could see us negotiating the buyout and him taking another job (ala Tubby) shortly after the season ends.

[Big Red Smokey]

Isn't his buyout still huge?

IMO, Crean just needs some more time.

Buyout drops from $12 mil to $7.5 mil on July 1st.

Bryce Drew? I think he's going to make the next step up.

Bobby Hurley has done really well at Buffalo also.

[Revering4Blue]

Buyout drops from $12 mil to $7.5 mil on July 1st.

Bryce Drew? I think he's going to make the next step up.

Bobby Hurley has done really well at Buffalo also.

If a change is going to be made, it will occur long before July 1st. That's too late in the game to secure a decent hire. Drew? Hurley? Pass. IU can do much better than that.

[Assembly Hall]

No way Tom Crean is at IU next year. How could he possibly successfully recruit at this point? Even Peegs said recruiting is "dead in the water" if Tom comes back.

He's gone. I don't know how it will play out exactly, but I could see us negotiating the buyout and him taking another job (ala Tubby) shortly after the season ends.


There is still ball left to be played. Anything is possible. They weren't projected to be as good as they have been this year.

[Revering4Blue]

There is still ball left to be played. Anything is possible. They weren't projected to be as good as they have been this year.

This.

People are acting as if it's a foregone conclusion that IU will miss the NCAAs by losing their next game and flopping in the B1G tourney. Should both occur, then it gets dicey.

[Revering4Blue]

One aspect of the Crean era, besides substitution patterns, that has driven me batty is the constant oversigning. The excessive oversigning and subsequent "creaning" has cost the program dearly.

Think Matt Roth wouldn't have helped against Syracuse in the '13 Sweet Sixteen?

Think Maurice Creek would have helped last year?

Who will the next Creaning victim be or transfer due lack of playing time be? Top candidate, and I hope that I'm wrong: Max Hoetzel, which would be a real shame. With his size and sweet stroke, I believe that he may well develop into the next Christian Watford. Plus, Hoetzel is already a better rebounder and shot blocker than Watford ever was.

[Assembly Hall]

This.

People are acting as if it's a foregone conclusion that IU will miss the NCAAs by losing their next game and flopping in the B1G tourney. Should both occur, then it gets dicey.


I will agree with that.

[Assembly Hall]

One aspect of the Crean era, besides substitution patterns, that has driven me batty is the constant oversigning. The excessive oversigning and subsequent "creaning" has cost the program dearly.

Think Matt Roth wouldn't have helped against Syracuse in the '13 Sweet Sixteen?

Think Maurice Creek would have helped last year?

Who will the next Creaning victim be or transfer due lack of playing time be? Top candidate, and I hope that I'm wrong: Max Hoetzel, which would be a real shame. With his size and sweet stroke, I believe that he may well develop into the next Christian Watford. Plus, Hoetzel is already a better rebounder and shot blocker than Watford ever was.

I don't get that over signing either Rev. Rhemy Abell would have helped us last year as well. I thought that kid looked good in his short time in Bloomington. And on another note.......Crean made such a big deal a few years back about how the team would be better once Perrea and Jurkin would be cleared by the NCAA. Hell, Jurkin is gone and Hanner would get beat by me in a game of "Horse". I am totally not happy right now.

[Hoosier Red]

The buyout's reduced by whatever's he's paid at the next job too.

[Hoosier Red]

Passing along random rumors with no judgement on their veracity. My boss is a booster and does have friends at IU. So take this for what it's worth....

IU and Crean have come to an agreement to part ways. Crean will take head coaching job at Alabama. Will be announced between last game tomorrow and beginning of B1G tournament.

Same sources report that back channels have offered B.Stevens 7 years and $35 million.

Again, put no more weight on these than the average rumor.

[Revering4Blue]

Passing along random rumors with no judgement on their veracity. My boss is a booster and does have friends at IU. So take this for what it's worth....

IU and Crean have come to an agreement to part ways. Crean will take head coaching job at Alabama. Will be announced between last game tomorrow and beginning of B1G tournament.

Same sources report that back channels have offered B.Stevens 7 years and $35 million.

Again, put no more weight on these than the average rumor.

Not to steal your thunder, but I've heard practically the same within the past 24 hours from boosters close to the situation with some slight updates. I've heard that Crean to Alabama, though likely, isn't a sure thing due to likely openings at both Stanford and Washington.

I've also heard, again take it for what it's worth, that, as of now, both Stevens and Alford have said no, but what else are they going to say when the job isn't yet open. We'll see how much weight that carries.

[Hoosier Red]

Passing along random rumors with no judgement on their veracity. My boss is a booster and does have friends at IU. So take this for what it's worth....

IU and Crean have come to an agreement to part ways. Crean will take head coaching job at Alabama. Will be announced between last game tomorrow and beginning of B1G tournament.

Same sources report that back channels have offered B.Stevens 7 years and $35 million.

Again, put no more weight on these than the average rumor.

[Hoosier Red]

Sorry didn't mean to post again. It wasn't out of spite of Rev stealing my thunder. ..

[redsfanmia]

Stevens is a pipe dream imo, would love to see it though.

[SunDeck]

Tom Crean has AD Glass' "full support". Isn't this what these guys say when the opposite is actually true?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25094246/indiana-ad-fred-glass-bullish-on-coach-tom-crean

[jimbo]

IU and Crean have come to an agreement to part ways. Crean will take head coaching job at Alabama.


I wonder if Anthony Grant knows he's gone?

If true, this would be kind of dirty.