5/23/14 - Cards vs Reds - BRUUUUUUUUCE

[villain612]

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[NebraskaRed]

I see Pena is at first tonight, but Lutz isn't in Louisville's lineup for today. Wonder if that means anything.

[RedsBrick]

I hate the Cardinals

[cumberlandreds]

I see Pena is at first tonight, but Lutz isn't in Louisville's lineup for today. Wonder if that means anything.

According to Jamie Ramsey Lutz has been called up and Soto is sent down to Louisville.

[villain612]

According to Jamie Ramsey Lutz has been called up and Soto is sent down to Louisville.

http://media2.giphy.com/media/37Ez5CZ8P0jSM/giphy.gif

[Red Raindog]

I hate the Cardinals

I hate them more

[Red Raindog]

According to Jamie Ramsey Lutz has been called up and Soto is sent down to Louisville.

it's cruel to keep him up at this point

[NebraskaRed]

If they've called him up. why not start him at 1B tonight?

[SirFelixCat]

I'd swap BP and Mes, but I like it.

[ac084c]

Cardinals:
Carpenter 3B
Wong 2B
Holliday LF
Craig RF
Molina C
Adams 1B
Peralta SS
Bourjos CF
Miller P

[malcontent]

If they've called him up. why not start him at 1B tonight?
Or LF.

[RedsBrick]

I hate them more

You've certainly hated them longer!

[Red Raindog]

You've certainly hated them longer!

you are out of my will

[_Sir_Charles_]

Who does those lineup card images? I thought it was Jamie Ramsey, but it seems not. Just saying I like that they typed Jay the way they did. :O)

[RichRed]

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/07/0732d22c80747596abc631a692517dc0/is_this_cardinals_fan_racist_or_just_stupid.jpeg

[Kingspoint]

Cardinals started their run last week...having now won three in a row and eight of ten.

REDS began this week taking two of three.

St. Louis has continued to dominate the REDS for yet another season so far this year.

It's time to change that with a series win this weekend at the GAB. Bruce and Lutz should make a difference physically and emotionally.

The REDS are next to last in home attendance in the National League. I hope the fans come out and give the Cardinals all they got.

Our worst Starting Pitcher on the year is going in Game 1 to set the tone for the series. Time to turn your season around Homer. Let's Go!

[Kingspoint]

Is everyone healthy on the 25-man squad?...Everyone available?

[PepperJack]

Something to look for tonight,


• Bruce is one home run shy of 100 at Great American Ball Park. Adam Dunn is the all-time leader with 126.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2014_05_23_slnmlb_cinmlb_1&mode=preview&vkey=preview_web_home&c_id=cin

[villain612]

Who does those lineup card images? I thought it was Jamie Ramsey, but it seems not. Just saying I like that they typed Jay the way they did. :O)

I get them from the Reds Facebook page.

[PepperJack]

John Fay ‏@johnfayman 7m
Lutz: I'm full of energy. Ready to go. #reds

[Kingspoint]

Lutz: I'm full of energy. Ready to go. #reds

Of course he's full of energy. His last name is Lutz (light in Spanish, though spelled Luz). Plus, Lutz is probably the hardest jump in figure-skating. (Went to Stars on Ice last Saturday....sat in the front row....simply amazing.)

[PepperJack]

Of course he's full of energy. His last name is Lutz (light in Spanish, though spelled Luz). Plus, Lutz is probably the hardest jump in figure-skating. (Went to Stars on Ice last Saturday....sat in the front row....simply amazing.)

If she was there,

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/sportatorium/Sasha%20Cohen%20-%20Splits.jpg

then I'm sure it was amazing.

[Kingspoint]

If she was there,

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/sportatorium/Sasha%20Cohen%20-%20Splits.jpg

then I'm sure it was amazing.

http://www.starsonice.com/the-skaters.html

It was almost all Americans. The Gold Medal Pairs skaters (Meryl Davis and Charlie White), Bronze Medalist Ashley Wagner, Bronze Medalist Gracie Gold, Bronze Medalist Jeremy Abbott, U.S. Champion Marai Nagasu, U.S. Champion Ryan Bradley, U.S. Junior Champion Max Aaron, U.S. Silver Medalist Polina Edmunds (she's looks really tall (but she's not) and thin...looks graceful on the ice), and others. The most outstanding performance for me was the solo from World Junior Champion Josh Farris.

They were all outstanding. Our 9-year old daughter really loved it all.

[PepperJack]

http://www.starsonice.com/the-skaters.html

It was almost all Americans. The Gold Medal Pairs skaters (Meryl Davis and Charlie White), Bronze Medalist Ashley Wagner, Bronze Medalist Gracie Gold, Bronze Medalist Jeremy Abbott, U.S. Champion Marai Nagasu, U.S. Champion Ryan Bradley, U.S. Junior Champion Max Aaron, U.S. Silver Medalist Polina Edmunds (she's really tall and thin...looks graceful on the ice), and others. The most outstanding performance for me was the solo from World Junior Champion Josh Farris.

They were all outstanding. Our 9-year old daughter really loved it all.

She's American too, and she's awesome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasha_Cohen


Alexandra Pauline "Sasha" Cohen (born October 26, 1984) is a U.S. figure skater. She is the 2006 Olympic silver medalist, a three-time World Championship medalist, the 2003 Grand Prix Final Champion, and the 2006 U.S. Champion.


Glad you guys had a great time.

[Kingspoint]

She's American too, and she's awesome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasha_Cohen




Glad you guys had a great time.

She was with Stars on Ice 2007-2012. They are always recycling them.

[Kc61]

Reds are due to hit some home runs.

[klw]

Saw this on Twitter today:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoUwG3nIMAEyHZz.jpg

[UPRedsFan]

Saw this on Twitter today:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoUwG3nIMAEyHZz.jpg

Sounds like a message to Homer. Stay calm Homer. Find your groove tonight.

The Brewers are crashing back to earth. Braun has a rib cage problem again and Gallardo has an ankle problem. A series win this weekend would be very nice.

[Kingspoint]

If we don't win the series, we're five back of the Cardinals.

[dubc47834]

If we don't win the series, we're five back of the Cardinals.

Whoaaa brother...positive thoughts!!!

[_Sir_Charles_]

When we SWEEP the series, we're one back of the Cardinals.

You had a couple typos. Better now.

[_Sir_Charles_]

And this game is underway!

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1 down. Pop out to Ludwick

[_Sir_Charles_]

Groundball to right through the hole for Wong.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Soooo close. Pretty curveball...just missed.

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Yessirree! 5-4-3 dp!

Good sign for Homer. Groundballs and he's locating his breaking stuff. Now let's beat the crap out of Shelby and toss his carcass to the dugout. :O)

[Tom Servo]

Yesiree!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Before I forget...a HUGE thank you to Cumberlandreds. My mlb.tv is crystal clear and I'm not listening to the tv announcers! WOOHOO! :O)

Billy grounds out to 2nd.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Has Frazier ever hit 2nd before?

K swinging. 2 down.
Brandon pops out to right on the first pitch. 1-2-3 go the Reds.

Just a heads up fellas....that does NOT count as beating the crap outta miller.

[tomnuetten]

and the reds go down 1-2-3 on 9 pitches...

[Tom Servo]

Thought Craig had a HR off the bat there, instead a deep flyout.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Deep flyout to center. 1 down.

Mark Sheldon is saying Latos is heading to Louisville for 3 rehab outings.

[Tom Servo]

sit down, neck tats

[toledodan]

When the reds bat I hope to see contact but when the cardinals hit I hope it stays in the yard. Anybody else feel that way?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Pretty pitch. Molina K's swinging.

K

[Tom Servo]

1-2-3 frame for Homer.

[Kingspoint]

Great start by Homer...21 pitches through 2 innings.

[_Sir_Charles_]

1-2-3 for Homer.

Looking good so far, but keep the ball DOWN Homer please.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Don't wanna jinx it, but Homer looks like he's really locating the ball a lot better tonight than some of his starts this season.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Welcome back Jay. Let's see some longball tonight.

[Tom Servo]

Thom and Chris praising Dr. Kremchek, Chuckie throws his TV out the window.

[_Sir_Charles_]

It's gonna be a tough night on the hitters if that's a strike all night. Bruce K's looking.

[dubc47834]

Thom and Chris praising Dr. Kremchek, Chuckie throws his TV out the window.

You might get reported man...lol

[BluegrassRedleg]

Dammit, I thought Edmonds was retired!!! :angry:

[dubc47834]

Just missed a HR

[gilpdawg]

Normally I would criticize the swing at everything approach....but Miller is pumping strikes in there. Can't let him get ahead.


Dang....Mez gets robbed. Bourjos is pretty good out there.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Near dinger for Mesoraco. Crap.

[757690]

If Miller can keep keep throwing strikes, the Cards are going to be tough to beat.

[dubc47834]

I don't think it woulda been a HR, but at least a double

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ugly swing from Ludwick. K to end the inning.

[Larry Schuler]

Frazier, Phillips and Mes are going to spank Miller this next go round.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Frazier, Phillips and Mes are going to spank Miller this next go round.

7221

[gilpdawg]

I don't think it woulda been a HR, but at least a double

At worst I think it was off the top of the wall....could have bounced over.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Peralta grounds out to Frazier. 1 down.

[gilpdawg]

Bourjos sure knows how to wear them socks.

[Kingspoint]

If Miller can keep keep throwing strikes, the Cards are going to be tough to beat.

Two of our last three games, we've had 2-1 leads going into the ninth. We can better them.

[_Sir_Charles_]

KK

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I love how quick Homer is working tonight.

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KKK

Another 1-2-3. Keep it rollin' Homer!

[dubc47834]

Homer....mowin them down. Great FB today!

[_Sir_Charles_]

JalePena with a seeing eye flair to center. Single to lead off the 3rd.

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Cozart with an excuse me checked swing....tagged out. Pena to 2nd

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Perfect bunt by Homer. Pena to third.

[Kingspoint]

I don't understand why someone would give up a 2nd out just to move a runner from 2nd to 3rd, even if it is a Catcher running and a Pitcher hitting. Even a pitcher is going to get a hit one out of ten times or less. How often is a passed ball or wild pitch going to happen? A lot less often than a pitcher getting a hit.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Miller looks completely different out of the stretch. All over the place. 3-0 to Billy.

5 pitch walk.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Run Billy Run.

[Kingspoint]

Miller looks completely different out of the stretch.

Not being sarcastic at all, but most pitchers do.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Holy Jump, Batman.

[Red Raindog]

our hero -- Todd

[_Sir_Charles_]

Billy swipes 2nd. Todd nearly clipped. Up and in.

[gilpdawg]

That's what I'm talking aboot!!!!

[dubc47834]

Frazier, Phillips and Mes are going to spank Miller this next go round.

Good call!

[BluegrassRedleg]

BOOM! Three-run bomb by Frazier! :beerme:

[Kingspoint]

Whoo-hoo!

[_Sir_Charles_]

BOOM! TODDFATHER! :jump: 3-0 Reds!

[Larry Schuler]

SPANKED

[dubc47834]

CRUSHED!!!

[757690]

Miller having trouble throwing strikes = 3 runs for the Reds.

[CrackerJack]

Gotsta be impressed with what Frazier's doing this year - maybe Walt and Co. deserve some credit for sticking with him? (yet it's only May)

[Larkin Fan]

Frazier says, "Bye, bye baseball."

[toledodan]

Two out rbi baseball

[dubc47834]

Gotsta be impressed with what Frazier's doing this year - maybe Walt and Co. deserve some credit for sticking with him? (yet it's only May)

Just proves last year was a sophomore slump. The league made adjustments, now Todd has made his!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Brandon K's to end the inning. But we strike first! 3-0 Goodguys.

[Kingspoint]

Just proves last year was a sophomore slump. Had no reason to believe it was anything other than that.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Somebody take over PBP. Dinner time.

[dubc47834]

Had no reason to believe it was anything other than that.

Just remember people saying he was a bust during the offseason. If this is the Frazier we get from here on out, I'm thrilled

[_Sir_Charles_]

Homer getting squeezed badly here IMO.

[toledodan]

Give homer runs and the bad homer shows up

[Kingspoint]

Just remember people saying he was a bust during the offseason. If this is the Frazier we get from here on out, I'm thrilled
I couldn't believe how many people were saying it. It made no sense at all.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Give homer runs and the bad homer shows up

Really?!? A ball banged into the dirt a foot in front of homeplate ends up a single. 2 pitches that were clear strikes, are called balls...leads to walk. Chopper to short...TOO short to turn the dp. How that's "bad homer" is beyond me.

[DocRed]

Homer being Homer...

[757690]

That's so Homer.

[Kingspoint]

Get it together, Bailey!

[toledodan]

Really?!? A ball banged into the dirt a foot in front of homeplate ends up a single. 2 pitches that were clear strikes, are called balls...leads to walk. Chopper to short...TOO short to turn the dp. How that's "bad homer" is beyond me.

Call it what you want it's two runs

[_Sir_Charles_]

Broken bat flair to left. 3-2 Reds. If that ain't bad luck, I don't know what is. That was a CRAP inning.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Sigh...

[DocRed]

You just can't walk Kolten Wong with the meat of the order coming up...

[_Sir_Charles_]

Molina single to left. First "real" hit this inning.

[toledodan]

You just can't walk Kolten Wong with the meat of the order coming up...

Exactly

[Tom Servo]

Man, I've seen the game where the Reds give Homer a lead against the Cardinals and he gives it back up an inning or two later already this season. Like, twice already.

[RBA]

Really?!? A ball banged into the dirt a foot in front of homeplate ends up a single. 2 pitches that were clear strikes, are called balls...leads to walk. Chopper to short...TOO short to turn the dp. How that's "bad homer" is beyond me.

Bad luck Homer? Homer needs to have an exorcism. Bad luck seems to follow him.

[757690]

Molina single to left. First "real" hit this inning.

So I guess those runs on the board aren't real? ;)

[toledodan]

Bad luck Homer? Homer needs to have an exorcism. Bad luck seems to follow him.

I don't believe in luck. You make your own. Wacca walked Hamilton and paid. Homer walks Wong and paid.

[757690]

Bad luck Homer? Homer needs to have an exorcism. Bad luck seems to follow him.

When a guys has bad luck his whole career, maybe it's not all luck?

Kinda like when you have bad luck with roommates over and over again, it's not just bad luck, maybe you're the lousy roommate.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I don't believe in luck. You make your own. Wacca walked Hamilton and paid. Homer walks Wong and paid.

My point was Homer got screwed on that Wong ab. The 1st & 4th pitches were clearly strikes. It was a walk, but it shouldn't have been.

[Tom Servo]

Bruuuuuuuuce double

[Falls City Beer]

The Reds have $350 million tied up in two players who are giving the Reds no production at the moment. Yet we're up 3-2. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, fate!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Jay leads off the 4th with a double to the RF gap!

[757690]

Rehab? I don't need no stinkin' rehab.

[gilpdawg]

Camera angle fooled me on that Mez flyball.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Fox camera dude made that look like it was headed upper-deck.

[Tom Servo]

Camera angle fooled me on that Mez flyball.
I hate when they do that.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Wow. That's it?! That looked completely crushed off the bat. Must've broken.

[Larkin Fan]

Man, so nice to see Bruce cruising on that knee with no trouble.

[Kingspoint]

Welcome back, Jay!

Nice Double!

[Stray]

Good job holding Bruce. Don't need him doing anything crazy in his first game back.

[Tom Servo]

Pretty sure Bruce scores on that, but I understand the decision given the circumstances. Need to bring him in now though.

[_Sir_Charles_]

1st & 3rd after Ryan singles to center.

[757690]

That was an Hamiltonesque ugly swing from Pena

[Kc61]

Sometimes the announcers are correct and the point is simple. Bailey falls in love with secondary stuff. Throw the fastball more and stop trying to be an artist.

[Tom Servo]

Pena gets the job done. 4-2 Redlegs.

[Stray]

Woohoo sac fly

[Red Raindog]

cannot believe how much I like Pena on this team

[_Sir_Charles_]

JalePena! At it again. Sac fly to center.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Nice AB. Pena almost always puts stick on ball with some decent authority.

[gilpdawg]

I hate when they do that.

I remember watching a Cubs/Giants NLCS game in 1989 where Sandberg hit one that the camera guy made look like it was going 500 feet and it bounced off the ivy.

[Kingspoint]

Pena, doing his best Joey Votto impression....2 PA's...2 positive results.

[toledodan]

Good job pena

[_Sir_Charles_]

cannot believe how much I like Pena on this team

I was VERY dubious about him...but I've done a 180 on Pena.

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Soft line out to center from Cozart to end the inning. But we plate another. 4-2 Redlegs.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Cards look ridiculous with the stockings exposed. Bad, bad, bad.

[toledodan]

cannot believe how much I like Pena on this team

I agree. Kinda laughed when they signed him but with mez being the starter and pena's good start I can't be happier he's here.

[gilpdawg]

I was VERY dubious about him...but I'm done a 180 on Pena.

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Soft line out to center from Cozart to end the inning. But we plate another. 4-2 Redlegs.

I don't think Pena is a regular 8 caliber guy, but as a second catcher/backup 1B/PH you could do lots worse.

[DocRed]

Man Thom is just brutal to Homer even when he gets an out LOL

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nice snag by Frazier. Hard line shot at him.

[DocRed]

I don't think Pena is a regular 8 caliber guy, but as a second catcher/backup 1B/PH you could do lots worse.

Cincinnati is like the Fountain of Youth to resurrect washed up catchers careers :X

[_Sir_Charles_]

Flashin' the leather! Diving snag by Phillips. 2 down.

[Tom Servo]

Homer not fooling them.

[PuffyPig]

Pretty sure Bruce scores on that, but I understand the decision given the circumstances. Need to bring him in now though.

He would have scored only because the throw was so poor.

Bruce got a poor jump as he hesitated slightly on a hard hit ball.

He wasn't even at third when Bourgous picked up the ball. A good throw had him out by 5 feet.

[gilpdawg]

There's that luck we were talking about. Bunch of dinks, give up 2 runs.....3 balls smoked, 2 outs and a 2 out single.

[Stray]

Swinging like they know what's coming.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Single back up the box for Carpenter. 3 hard hit balls this inning.

[Tom Servo]

Swinging like they know what's coming.
Seems to be a trend when we play St. Louis.

[_Sir_Charles_]

There's that luck we were talking about. Bunch of dinks, give up 2 runs.....3 balls smoked, 2 outs and a 2 out single.

LOL. I was just going to say that. He's pitched WAY worse this inning than last thus far.

[Tom Servo]

It would appear Matt Carpenter :: Thom Brennaman as Jim Edmonds :: George Grande.

[DocRed]

Don't do it again Homer....

[_Sir_Charles_]

Come on Homer. Throw strikes!

[Kingspoint]

Sometimes the announcers are correct and the point is simple. Bailey falls in love with secondary stuff. Throw the fastball more and stop trying to be an artist.

He's doing it with Wong on this plate appearance. Six out of seven pitches, 4-seam fastballs per mlb.com .

[Tom Servo]

Walked Wong again. Christ.

[_Sir_Charles_]

BB to Wong. :(

[dsmith421]

You walk Kolten freaking Wong twice, you forfeit the right to complain about bad luck.

[Stray]

Homer is pitching really slow. Maybe he could stop taking so much time between pitches and get into a rhythm?

[Kingspoint]

Wong had six walks coming into the game...not exactly the most patient hitter.

[_Sir_Charles_]

You walk Kolten freaking Wong twice, you forfeit the right to complain about bad luck.

Just to be clear, Homer hasn't complained about bad luck. That was me. And I didn't walk Wong. :O)

[Tom Servo]

Please throw to first next time BP.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hate this zone tonight. All over the place.

[toledodan]

Brandon just about messed that up lol

[Kingspoint]

I loved, and still will for the next several seasons, the Homer Bailey signing. But, I don't understand why he's having so much trouble this season. It's not just mediocre pitching, but bad pitching way too often. Not saying it is today, but where's the occasional domination that we got last season and the year before?

[Kc61]

Nice pitching to Holliday.

[DocRed]

Please throw to first next time BP.

Ya seriously, its Holliday running for God's sake.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Brandon just about messed that up lol

True, but if they hadn't gotten the out sign from the ump...Cozart still had Holiday at first easy.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Marty and JK have been having a running conversation about the "quality start" stat tonight. Kinda interesting. Both think it probably should be more like 2 or less earned runs over 7 than the current 3 and 6. Tend to agree. The 3/6 is true that you "kept your team in it," but in this new era of lower-scoring games, maybe it's time that the definition was adjusted.

[Tom Servo]

Hold up, it's still light out for you guys in Cincy at 8:30pm? Wow.

[RedsBrick]

I give Homer crap for not being able to shut it down in the face of adversity. When he does shut it down, it's only fair to give him credit.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Homer! Bunt single....sorta! :O) Chopper that dies in the dirt like a perfectly placed bunt.

[BluegrassRedleg]

I loved, and still will for the next several seasons, the Homer Bailey signing. But, I don't understand why he's having so much trouble this season. It's not just mediocre pitching, but bad pitching way too often. Not saying it is today, but where's the occasional domination that we got last season and the year before?

I support the signing, too. Think he'll be fine when the dust settles and we see his numbers at the end of the season. Just struggling to find his rhythm to this point.

[DocRed]

Marty and JK have been having a running conversation about the "quality start" stat tonight. Kinda interesting. Both think it probably should be more like 2 or less earned runs over 7 than the current 3 and 6. Tend to agree. The 3/6 is true that you "kept your team in it," but in this new era of lower-scoring games, maybe it's time that the definition was adjusted.

Make it 3/7 or 2/6.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Hold up, it's still light out for you guys in Cincy at 8:30pm? Wow.

Light until 8:45ish around this time of year.

[dsmith421]

Just to be clear, Homer hasn't complained about bad luck. That was me. And I didn't walk Wong. :O)

Homer probably complained a little, too.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Make it 3/7 or 2/6.

I like 3/7. :thumbup:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Easy double play ball....not a chance. Hamilton at first, Homer back to resting on the bench. 1 down.

[Kingspoint]

Homer Bailey singles. Can we stop bunting guys from 2nd to 3rd with one out with our pitchers at-bat? At worst, they get a hit every ten at-bats, while most of them get a hit every six or seven at-bats. The odds of a runner scoring from 3rd with a wild pitch or passed ball are much greater than that.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Flyout to center. Billy tags and advances to 2nd. No way he should've on that.

[Tom Servo]

Billy steals third, almost as an afterthought.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Steal of 3rd on Molina with NO THROW. Nice.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Billy Hamilton has reduced the best defensive catcher in baseball to not even attempting throws. :D

[toledodan]

Phillips probably laughed at that foul off tattoo neck lol

[Tom Servo]

BP strikesout to strand Billy. Should have let him try and steal home.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Crud. Phillips K's swinging.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Pirates up 4-0 on Nats in 5th
Brewers spanking the Fish 8-2 in the 6th
Cubs at the Pads later.

[Kc61]

Probably better off with no steal of third. Allowed pitcher to worry less about a steal. Enabled better concentration on the hitter.

[DocRed]

Phillips probably laughed at that foul off tattoo neck lol

Wouldn't it be funny if you were talented enough to do that over and over again and he did it like 9 straight times to Molina? :P

[RedsBrick]

Hamilton is Molina's Kryptonite

[757690]

Marty and JK have been having a running conversation about the "quality start" stat tonight. Kinda interesting. Both think it probably should be more like 2 or less earned runs over 7 than the current 3 and 6. Tend to agree. The 3/6 is true that you "kept your team in it," but in this new era of lower-scoring games, maybe it's time that the definition was adjusted.

I like the idea of an high quality start, being 2 runs, 7IP, and a regular quality start staying at 3 runs, 6 IP. You can even create the low quality start, 4 runs, 6 IP. I think if you had those three set up, and you could get a solid idea of how a pitcher pitched during a season.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Probably better off with no steal of third. Allowed pitcher to worry less about a steal. Enabled better concentration on the hitter.

Not sure about that. Because now you're extremely conscious of a breaking ball in the dirt.

[757690]

Adams loves to hit off of Homer. Be careful here.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Craig singled to lead off.
Molina grounds to first, flip to homer. 1 down.

[Kc61]

Not sure about that. Because now you're extremely conscious of a breaking ball in the dirt.

Maybe. Miller seemed to settle down with BH at third.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hamilton is Molina's Kryptonite

I hate this analogy. It implies that Molina is Superman. :thumbdown:

[Kingspoint]

It gets really dicey here for REDS' pitchers in the 6th and 7th innings. Opposing hitters are OPS'ing higher in these innings than any other inning. Of course, it's when they see the Starter the third time around and our worst Relievers come in for relief. It's probably true for most teams, but for the REDS, the OPS in these innings is more than 150 points higher than the 8th and 9th innings.

[Tom Servo]

Ugh. More ducks on the pond for St. Louis.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Single to left. 1st & 3rd with 1 down. Okay, now's a good time for a DP ball Homer.

[toledodan]

Come on homer.

[Kingspoint]

Here's where Homer proves he deserves the big bucks.

[PuffyPig]

Homer Bailey singles. Can we stop bunting guys from 2nd to 3rd with one out with our pitchers at-bat? At worst, they get a hit every ten at-bats, while most of them get a hit every six or seven at-bats. The odds of a runner scoring from 3rd with a wild pitch or passed ball are much greater than that.

I think this was simply based on the fact that Hamilton was AB next and the number of infield singles he gets. It actually brought the infield in all around to prevent that. I don't think they played the odds, but I also think it's the only time I've seen them do that.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Grounder to Phillps. Can only get 1. 4-3 Reds.

[Kingspoint]

I think this was simply based on the fact that Hamilton was AB next and the number of infield singles he gets. It actually brought the infield in all around to prevent that. I don't think they played the odds, but I also think it's the only time I've seen them do that.

I was thinking of that, but I've seen it repeated without Hamilton up next.

Anyway, Price needs a lot of rope. He's never done this before.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Single to right. :(

Jay pinch-hitting.

[toledodan]

Luck or not the hit parade continues.

[Kc61]

Just get Bailey out.

[Kingspoint]

Just get Bailey out.

I'd leave Bailey in. We're not going to be a contender unless Homer figures this stuff out.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Luck or not the hit parade continues.

Homer has pitched MUCH worse in the 5th & 6th than he did in the 2 run scoring 4th IMO.

- - - Updated - - -

Parra warming.

[Tom Servo]

Clutch pickoff to end the inning!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nice! Peralta picked off 2nd! Nice job by Cozart of sliding in behind him and the FAST turn of Homer!

[Kc61]

I'd leave Bailey in. We're not going to be a contender unless Homer figures this stuff out.

The only reason to leave Bailey in is bad bullpen performance.

Don't get the contender point. Win this game.

Good pickoff play.

[toledodan]

Tootban

[Kingspoint]

Homer bailey!!!!


Awesome!

[757690]

The Cardinal Way

[RedsBrick]

I hate this analogy. It implies that Molina is Superman. :thumbdown:

You may not like him, but more than just Cardinals' fans thinks he's pretty good.

[gilpdawg]

Gabe Kapler is doing the game with Thom tomorrow? He might make Thom's head explode. He's a huge saber guy.

[wheels]

What's great about that play is that they've wasted a pinch hitter, and unless they send Maness to the plate, they'll burn another one.

Big play.

[Tom Servo]

Not only a Votto sighting in the dugout but a Jack Hannahan sighting as well.

[Kingspoint]

The only reason to leave Bailey in is bad bullpen performance.

Don't get the contender point. Win this game.

Good pickoff play.

Homer is an ACE in the waiting. He's close...very, very close to being a dominant pitcher. It's just mental. This is a mental hurdle he has to learn to overcome, and if you pull him, he's not going to get either the confidence or the experience of having succeeded through it. Price has to be willing to sacrifice an important game against the Cardinals in order to turn Bailey into the ACE he can become. Baker was good at this.

[Tom Servo]

Manass in.

[wheels]

Rocco!!!

[_Sir_Charles_]

You may not like him, but more than just Cardinals' fans thinks he's pretty good.

He's more than just "pretty good". Molina is fantastic. I'd just like to forget that fact as often as possible. :O)

Bruce K's looking.

[Tom Servo]

Moon shot by Mesoraco! :jump:

[Stray]

that was crushed

[BluegrassRedleg]

No fooling the camera man this time!!! BOMB :beerme:

[Red Raindog]

Did Mes sell his soul?

[_Sir_Charles_]

:jump: Rocco! Upper deck shot.

[Kingspoint]

Mes continues to OPS+ over 200!

[toledodan]

The rock

[Tom Servo]

I like how Ludwick carried the bat with him all the way down the line right there. :lol:

[_Sir_Charles_]

Devin does NOT get cheated on his swings.

[dsmith421]

I am so, so pleased with what Mesoraco and Frazier have done this season.

[Kc61]

Homer is an ACE in the waiting. He's close...very, very close to being a dominant pitcher. It's just mental. This is a mental hurdle he has to learn to overcome, and if you pull him, he's not going to get either the confidence or the experience of having succeeded through it. Price has to be willing to sacrifice an important game against the Cardinals in order to turn Bailey into the ACE he can become. Baker was good at this.

I don't believe in losing games to make a point.

Best way to contend? Win.

[wheels]

This kid has been an absolute revelation so far. How great would it be if he threw up a .900 OPS this year?

[Kingspoint]

I don't believe in losing games to make a point.

Best way to contend? Win.

It's not to "make a point". It's to "develop players". It's all part of the learning process. As much as I don't like Baker, he was pretty good at this in April and May. I just didn't like Baker's choices the rest of the months.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Pena slaps one to right. 2 out single.

[Kingspoint]

This kid has been an absolute revelation so far. How great would it be if he threw up a .900 OPS this year?

It would be awesome. .900 OPS' are rare territory. It's Superstar territory, especially at Catcher in non-steroids' era's.

[757690]

Did Mes sell his soul?

Everyone will jump on me for this, but I'm suspicious about Mesoraco and PED's. Just suspicious, nothing more.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Everyone will jump on me for this, but I'm suspicious about Mesoraco and PED's. Just suspicious, nothing more.

Just the way things are nowadays. I could understand people thinking this. Coming off an injury too.

[Larry Schuler]

All that mandated rest at the end of 2012 has given Mesoraco a ton of extra energy and power this year.

[Kc61]

It's not to "make a point". It's to "develop players". It's all part of the learning process. As much as I don't like Baker, he was pretty good at this in April and May. I just didn't like Baker's choices the rest of the months.

Guy has a $105 million contract. He shouldn't need to be developed.

Go for the win.

[Tom Servo]

Everyone will jump on me for this, but I'm suspicious about Mesoraco and PED's. Just suspicious, nothing more.
I'd just say check out his minor league stats in 2010 and 2011. Not like this is out of nowhere.

[Tom Servo]

The Cardinal Way.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Parra with the punchout. 1 down.

[Red Raindog]

Everyone will jump on me for this, but I'm suspicious about Mesoraco and PED's. Just suspicious, nothing more.

idea had not crossed my mind ---- sure hope you are wrong

[_Sir_Charles_]

NICE! Bunt pop out to Parra...toss to 1st for the DP!

[Kingspoint]

Got through the 7th and 8th innings with only one run given up. That's a good thing.

[Falls City Beer]

Everyone will jump on me for this, but I'm suspicious about Mesoraco and PED's. Just suspicious, nothing more.

Like you, I'm not shy about voicing my roid suspicions, but I think your suspicion here is probably wrong. Rocco's problem was never his power, it was his swing. He's cut down on the weird uppercutting.

[_Sir_Charles_]

1 down as Bernadina grounds out to Wong.

[wheels]

Got through the 7th and 8th innings with only one run given up. That's a good thing.

Are you from the future?

Does Redszone channel an alternate timeline? Who won the super bowl in yours?

[dsmith421]

Just remembered that I really do not like the St. Louis Cardinals. At all. In any way, shape, or form. Figured I'd share.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Like you, I'm not shy about voicing my roid suspicions, but I think your suspicion here is probably wrong. Rocco's problem was never his power, it was his swing. He's cut down on the weird uppercutting.

I agree. But I can understand someone being suspicious. It's common to use them to get back from an injury...which Devin just did...and his production is just nuts this year. But I agree...I think he's clean.

[Red Raindog]

Are you from the future?

Does Redszone channel an alternate timeline? Who won the super bowl in yours?

thanks -- I was thinking I had a malfunction on my Dish