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Ironman92
05-26-2014, 04:32 PM
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Ironman92
05-26-2014, 04:33 PM
No Votto or Bruce

malcontent
05-26-2014, 04:46 PM
Makes me wish Mez would have picked up a 1B mitt at some point....like Pena must have.

NeilHamburger
05-26-2014, 04:55 PM
I just threw up a little in my mouth and it tastes better than that lineup looks.

powersackers
05-26-2014, 04:55 PM
Are they on tv? What channel?

I thought the game was 5:10 east. Never mind.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 05:05 PM
Is Lutz going to play? Yes he is LHH but good grief....I cannot believe they just brought him up here to sit?

Might as well bring up Felix Perez or Jason Burgeois. Those guys are at least are hitting down in AAA. They wised up on Soto but The Shark is still here doing nada.

I am going to assume that if this trip ends up like the May 1993 disaster where Tony got fired..... that the personnel changes on the roster will start coming. Like Lutz in LF for Ludwick.

malcontent
05-26-2014, 05:16 PM
I am going to assume that if this trip ends up like the May 1993 disaster where Tony got fired..... that the personnel changes on the roster will start coming. Like Lutz in LF for Ludwick.
I'm with you there on Lutz over Ludwick, TC. Lutz has had a great year so far, and someone (forget who) posted Ludwick's stats for 2013/2014. Pretty revealing.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 05:26 PM
It's on FOX Ohio

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 05:30 PM
Cueto will make Puig look like the .770 OPS guy some on here were saying

Kc61
05-26-2014, 05:35 PM
Is Lutz going to play? Yes he is LHH but good grief....I cannot believe they just brought him up here to sit?

Might as well bring up Felix Perez or Jason Burgeois. Those guys are at least are hitting down in AAA. They wised up on Soto but The Shark is still here doing nada.

I am going to assume that if this trip ends up like the May 1993 disaster where Tony got fired..... that the personnel changes on the roster will start coming. Like Lutz in LF for Ludwick.

What manager would play Lutz against the LHP?

Just not the right day for it.

Kc61
05-26-2014, 05:37 PM
Mesoraco needs to play against the lefty. He should rest tomorrow against Greinke, not today IMO.

Bruce on the other hand, I can understand.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 05:54 PM
What manager would play Lutz against the LHP?

Just not the right day for it.

Apparently the same manager who would rather sit Devin because Cueto cannot handle pitching to him? Because the Reds do not need more offense, they need less.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 06:08 PM
Cueto didn't pitch too hot last time out.......catcher's fault?

I can see pitchers preferring a certain catcher, but not being able to pitch to any MLB catcher is just not very mentally tough IMO

Kc61
05-26-2014, 06:27 PM
Apparently the same manager who would rather sit Devin because Cueto cannot handle pitching to him? Because the Reds do not need more offense, they need less.

I think Mes is likely being rested because he caught the entire Cards series and had a short overnight rest with a long flight.

I don't agree with it, but I doubt it's Cueto pitching.

Mes should catch against this lefty though IMO.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 07:06 PM
I think Mes is likely being rested because he caught the entire Cards series and had a short overnight rest with a long flight.

I don't agree with it, but I doubt it's Cueto pitching.

Mes should catch against this lefty though IMO.


Price has already stated the comfortable factor as a reason. Which is fine, up to a point.

The one that annoys me is Bailey and his just complete disdain....it appears at having Devin catch him.

The way he is pitching...he really has no business asking for a personal caddie.

Larry Schuler
05-26-2014, 07:51 PM
At Dodger Stadium wearing my Reds gear. Have not been stabbed yet but will keep you all updated.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 08:06 PM
At Dodger Stadium wearing my Reds gear. Have not been stabbed yet but will keep you all updated.

Will you post here if you are actually stabbed or stamped on? That would be an accomplishment if you did.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 08:08 PM
Dee Gordon has had an excellent year so far

Reds Fanatic
05-26-2014, 08:12 PM
3 pitch strike out for Hamilton

Red Raindog
05-26-2014, 08:13 PM
GM GA GN to BH

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If blue is giving that first pitch to Cozart all night -- no one may score

Reds Fanatic
05-26-2014, 08:13 PM
Cozart gets robbed by Turner

Reds Fanatic
05-26-2014, 08:15 PM
Phillips flies out to right

Reds Fanatic
05-26-2014, 08:21 PM
Gordon flies out to left

Reds Fanatic
05-26-2014, 08:22 PM
Crawford grounds out to 3rd

toledodan
05-26-2014, 08:23 PM
Crawford grounds to third

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 08:25 PM
Can already tell this HP umpire stinks

Reds Fanatic
05-26-2014, 08:25 PM
Cueto totally fooled Puig who strikes out swinging.

toledodan
05-26-2014, 08:25 PM
Puig strikesout

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 08:31 PM
Seems off that Eithier is in CF over Crawford and Puig.... But I understand not switching several positions

toledodan
05-26-2014, 08:31 PM
Which is the most likely? Reds with 5 hits or 1 run?

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 08:32 PM
1-2-3 2nd

Same as it ever was.

It's because the opposing pitcher is so good though.

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 08:33 PM
Seems off that Eithier is in CF over Crawford and Puig.... But I understand not switching several positions

I think it's because Crawford has a terrible arm.

Kc61
05-26-2014, 08:36 PM
Brewers lost and Cards now losing in extras.

Kingspoint
05-26-2014, 08:39 PM
Yanks go up over Cards 4-3 in the 12th...woohoo! [didn't see your post, KC...great minds (thinking positive) think alike]

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 08:39 PM
I think it's because Crawford has a terrible arm.

I can buy that.....RF is big. Puig's arm is decent. Lol

powersackers
05-26-2014, 08:39 PM
I miss 1998 ish.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 08:40 PM
I can't worry one ounce about other teams winning or losing right now.....

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 08:40 PM
I can buy that.....RF is big. Puig's arm is decent. Lol

Haha yeah. It's alright

Kingspoint
05-26-2014, 08:41 PM
I can't worry one ounce about other teams winning or losing right now.....

I felt the disappointment of the CARDS/REDS series, too. But, now we need help. 5-1/2 games back of the Cardinals and the REDS not playing well, we can't afford to get behind any more games than we already are. Trying to hang in there until something clicks with the REDS.

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 08:45 PM
9 up 9 down

Atrocious

Mutaman
05-26-2014, 08:45 PM
What manager would play Lutz against the LHP?

Just not the right day for it.

But you forget, some folks here think Lutz is going to lead us to the promised land.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 08:47 PM
I felt the disappointment of the CARDS/REDS series, too. But, now we need help. 5-1/2 games back of the Cardinals and the REDS not playing well, we can't afford to get behind any more games than we already are. Trying to hang in there until something clicks with the REDS.

Nothing to do with that series at all....at least for me.

The Reds aren't playing worth a darn and haven't displayed any consistency of a team that could scratch the playoffs. I know teams on occasion go all the way with 83, 85 and 87 wins. The Reds are hovering around the .500 record enough for me to have ample faith in this season.....but what the Cards and Brews do just doesn't matter to me.

I need to see the signs of a team that might near 90 wins before I worry about the competition.

Just me.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 08:47 PM
Tough sun isn't hurting the pitchers...

Kc61
05-26-2014, 08:47 PM
I like Price. But he needs to take a step back and look at his lineup tonight.

No way should Mesoraco be sitting.

SweetLou1990
05-26-2014, 08:49 PM
First team to 2 runs may win this one

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 08:50 PM
I like Price. But he needs to take a step back and look at his lineup tonight.

No way should Mesoraco be sitting.

Agreed.

But Mesoraco is what? 2 for his last 21?

And Bruce is flat out awful. There's only so much Price can do.

SweetLou1990
05-26-2014, 08:51 PM
I like Price. But he needs to take a step back and look at his lineup tonight.

No way should Mesoraco be sitting.

Also Frazier at 1st was a bad experiment the other night, why try again?

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 08:51 PM
Oh well.....at least the blue tank top is keeping my interest

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 08:51 PM
But you forget, some folks here think Lutz is going to lead us to the promised land.

Yeah because that is what I said in my post....of course. He is the Reds version of Puig 2013. :rolleyes:

At this point he is no worse of an option than what they keep running out there.

toledodan
05-26-2014, 08:52 PM
Call up Erwin, Winkler and Stephenson.

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 08:53 PM
Good play Frazier

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 08:53 PM
Never thought I'd say this....but I miss Joey's glove more than his bat.

Everyone else looks like Lenny Harris did trying to play 1st

toledodan
05-26-2014, 08:53 PM
Ball game. Didn't price see this crap happen last time they put Frazier at first?

Chuckie
05-26-2014, 08:53 PM
Silver lining: High draft pick coming our way in 2015.

Too soon?

SweetLou1990
05-26-2014, 08:54 PM
Also Frazier at 1st was a bad experiment the other night, why try again?

Called it....

Larry Schuler
05-26-2014, 08:54 PM
A group of Dodger fans had their knives out and were encroaching toward my seat but Frazier's error has seemed to sate them...for now.

kbrake
05-26-2014, 08:54 PM
One of my favorite things about Price has been that when he has made mistakes he seems to learn from them quickly and adjust. Wish he would adjust sooner on Frazier playing first.

RedsBrick
05-26-2014, 08:54 PM
That's the kind of stupid stuff that happens to this team....but not for it. Sheesh.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 08:54 PM
At least no one fast is on base

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 08:54 PM
Call up Felix Perez for The Shark.

Go watch Twelve O'Clock High on AMC and wait until the 7th inning to see if anything happens in this game.

The Operator
05-26-2014, 08:55 PM
This team consistently lets down Johnny Cueto in every way. Can't score runs for him, can't field worth a crap. Guy is one of the best in the game and he's barely above .500. If he had even a decent offense behind him he'd be at least 6-2 if not 7-1 or so.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 08:55 PM
Where was that pitch????

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 08:56 PM
This team consistently lets down Johnny Cueto in every way. Can't score runs for him, can't field worth a crap. Guy is one of the best in the game and he's barely above .500. If he had even a decent offense behind him he'd be at least 6-2 if not 7-1 or so.

Well Simon's W/L is what it should be and Homer and Leake should have each other's.

Falcon7
05-26-2014, 08:57 PM
Also Frazier at 1st was a bad experiment the other night, why try again?

And the exact same thing happens... Really stupid Price!

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 08:58 PM
Puig can't figure out Cueto....not that many have

kbrake
05-26-2014, 08:58 PM
This team consistently lets down Johnny Cueto in every way. Can't score runs for him, can't field worth a crap. Guy is one of the best in the game and he's barely above .500. If he had even a decent offense behind him he'd be at least 6-2 if not 7-1 or so.

Every single pitcher on this staff benefits GREATLY from this defense. They are not perfect but this is a very good defensive team.

toledodan
05-26-2014, 09:00 PM
Every single pitcher on this staff benefits GREATLY from this defense. They are not perfect but this is a very good defensive team.

Yes but not when you play people out of position.

The Operator
05-26-2014, 09:00 PM
This umpire has an interesting strike zone.

kbrake
05-26-2014, 09:00 PM
Yes but not when you play people out of position.

No doubt about that.

SweetLou1990
05-26-2014, 09:01 PM
Frazier has approx 3 of 20 errors in 12 innings played, other than that, great D

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:01 PM
Agreed.

But Mesoraco is what? 2 for his last 21?

And Bruce is flat out awful. There's only so much Price can do.

If there's one thing Mes has done over his career is hit lefties. He should play against lefties. He could have rested tomorrow against Greinke.

That set in motion this whole messed up infield alignment.

Now the bases are loaded.

Price, like Dusty, doesn't always rest his players in the correct ballgame.

Cedric
05-26-2014, 09:01 PM
How many teams take a gold glove type position player and move him to 1b? What the hell is going on?

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:01 PM
That error has cost at least 1 run, and 10-15 extra pitches.

Terrible

The Operator
05-26-2014, 09:01 PM
Every single pitcher on this staff benefits GREATLY from this defense. They are not perfect but this is a very good defensive team.
They screwed him in Washington and they've screwed him again tonight.

Normally they're good but when you have guys playing out of positionthis is what happens.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:01 PM
Every single pitcher on this staff benefits GREATLY from this defense. They are not perfect but this is a very good defensive team.

Bruce has not been Bruce in RF, Votto's replacements have been terrible, Skip and Luddy are range less. I believe the defense is quite good but not as good as advertised.

Falls City Beer
05-26-2014, 09:01 PM
I have a callus from watching bad pitching for decades. But it's been quite a while since I've had to stomach an offense this bad. It's really hard to follow. It's no wonder so many pro sports tilt the table for the offensive side.

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:02 PM
If there's one thing Mes has done over his career is hit lefties. He should play against lefties. He could have rested tomorrow against Greinke.

That set in motion this whole messed up infield alignment.

Now the bases are loaded.

I agree. He should be in there.

Maybe there's a reason he's not that we aren't aware of though.

Reds really are a bad ballclub right now. Maybe when Votto returns they will get back in good form.

I agree he should be in there.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:04 PM
I do not remember Frazier playing 1B this badly in 2012...when he was manning it for Votto.

Right now I just hope the Reds get a hit.

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:05 PM
Reds should have signed Justin Turner for the bench. He's a pretty good player.

Falls City Beer
05-26-2014, 09:06 PM
Why do folks feel comfortable that Votto's going to help when he gets back? He might, but it's almost impossible from the reports to tell his condition.

Cedric
05-26-2014, 09:06 PM
Reds should have signed Justin Turner for the bench. He's a pretty good player.

Walt would rather sign guys with dead bats but claim they aren't dead.

He's been a disaster lately.

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Why do folks feel comfortable that Votto's going to help when he gets back? He might, but it's almost impossible from the reports to tell his condition.

What the hell else can people do? This team is horrible but I want to at least hope.

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:06 PM
Reds are playing the swing away/no walking group tonight.

Hamilton, Cozart, Phillips, Heisey all in there. Should be a fast ballgame.

toledodan
05-26-2014, 09:07 PM
Reds should have signed Justin Turner for the bench. He's a pretty good player.

Yet another great play by him. I think he was a reds farm hand at one time.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:07 PM
The 1982 Reds had scored more runs in as many games than the 2014 Reds have.

'69
05-26-2014, 09:07 PM
9 up 9 down

Atrocious


Which is the most likely? Reds with 5 hits or 1 run?

Both sound about right for the night...:help:

powersackers
05-26-2014, 09:07 PM
The legs in the front row are the only things worth watching while the Reds are batring.

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:07 PM
Why do folks feel comfortable that Votto's going to help when he gets back? He might, but it's almost impossible from the reports to tell his condition.

He'll help if he hits like he did prior to July 2012.

12 up 12 down

kbrake
05-26-2014, 09:08 PM
Why do folks feel comfortable that Votto's going to help when he gets back? He might, but it's almost impossible from the reports to tell his condition.

Cause his version of struggling still brings a .400+ OBP and if you've been watching lately I'm sure you'd agree that would be awfully nice right now.

SweetLou1990
05-26-2014, 09:08 PM
5 hits is way to many

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:09 PM
The legs in the front row are the only things worth watching while the Reds are batring.

The one on the far right..... Wow. Dodger Blue indeed.

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:09 PM
Both sound about right for the night...:help:

Is that 5 hits 1 run the over/under for tonight or for the entire series?

malcontent
05-26-2014, 09:09 PM
Price totally out-thinking himself. Just pathetic.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:10 PM
So Justin Turner is Brooks Robinson?

His defense is the reason he has not been able to stick with teams for too long. So of course he looks like this tonight.

toledodan
05-26-2014, 09:10 PM
5 hits is way to many

Could see back to back no hitters from the Dodgers.

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:10 PM
Yet another great play by him. I think he was a reds farm hand at one time.

He was a Reds prospect. Was traded to the Orioles, was it Ramon Hernandez? Not sure, but I mentioned him this off season when Turner was a free agent. Response was that he can't play shortstop well, probably true.

'69
05-26-2014, 09:10 PM
I miss 1998 ish.

I do miss 1999, and 864 runs...lol

Falls City Beer
05-26-2014, 09:11 PM
Cause his version of struggling still brings a .400+ OBP and if you've been watching lately I'm sure you'd agree that would be awfully nice right now.

If he can't drive the ball and he's Hal Morris, he's not gonna OB anywhere near .400. That's not a knock on Joey, but they're likely in desperation to send him out there at 50%.

And they've all but guaranteed his defense is gonna stink. Votto's so OCD, he'll carry that defense over into his hitting.

Roy Tucker
05-26-2014, 09:11 PM
Hard to stay positive watching this offense

Larry Schuler
05-26-2014, 09:11 PM
I'm optimistic that the Reds will get 2 hits tonight.

toledodan
05-26-2014, 09:12 PM
I'm optimistic that the Reds will get 2 hits tonight.

Over confidence lol

kbrake
05-26-2014, 09:13 PM
If he can't drive the ball and he's Hal Morris, he's not gonna OB anywhere near .400. That's not a knock on Joey, but they're likely in desperation to send him out there at 50%.

2nd half of 2012 0 HR's .483 OBP.

Joey Votto will help this offense.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:15 PM
1983 Paul Householder would help this offense right now.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:16 PM
Oh well.....at least the blue tank top is keeping my interest

Assumed most of you were guys....lol

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:16 PM
2nd half of 2012 0 HR's .483 OBP.

Joey Votto will help this offense.

If he's not driving the ball he won't. It still takes 2 hits to score him after his singles/walks. Even a double won't score him in most cases.

He's slugged over .500 in just one month since his initial injury. One.

Falls City Beer
05-26-2014, 09:16 PM
2nd half of 2012 0 HR's .483 OBP.

Joey Votto will help this offense.

Did Votto have a full month in the second half of 2012?

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:18 PM
On a 1-0 count, Frazier swings at that.

Horrible

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:18 PM
Well....at least they are working the pitcher. They'll be into their bullpen by the 11th inning

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:19 PM
Ugh....Luddy busted one off of his ankle.... Now he'll be slow

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:20 PM
Lol....and another off the ankle

Larry Schuler
05-26-2014, 09:20 PM
Ryu looks too non-worked, too energized. It could lead to his unraveling.

kbrake
05-26-2014, 09:21 PM
Did Votto have a full month in the second half of 2012?

One month. 118 PA.

malcontent
05-26-2014, 09:21 PM
Never seen Luddy make so much contact...

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:21 PM
E-5 has 15 HR's.

Fantastic deal giving him up for Rolen

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:23 PM
E-5 has 15 HR's.

Fantastic deal giving him up for Rolen

E-5 plays first....stop it, he drove us all crazy

Kingspoint
05-26-2014, 09:23 PM
Maybe this at-bat will inspire the rest of the team.

kbrake
05-26-2014, 09:23 PM
E-5 has 15 HR's.

Fantastic deal giving him up for Rolen

Won two division titles with Rolen. Encarnacion had no place to play here.

Larry Schuler
05-26-2014, 09:24 PM
Bring back Willie Greene!

The Operator
05-26-2014, 09:24 PM
Chris Heisey's never met a pitch he wouldn't swing at.

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:24 PM
E-5 plays first....stop it, he drove us all crazy

Hey, don't shoot the messenger!

toledodan
05-26-2014, 09:24 PM
Perfect through five

Kingspoint
05-26-2014, 09:24 PM
Maybe this at-bat will inspire the rest of the team.

Guess not. Heisey with as crappy of a plate appearance as you can have. He should be benched for a week for that effort.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:24 PM
Heisey with a Heisey*

*pop up to pitcher, catcher or 1st base

malcontent
05-26-2014, 09:24 PM
I was all for Price as manager. I hereby recant.

RedsBrick
05-26-2014, 09:25 PM
Forget scoring runs...it would be great if these guys could make solid contact.

Good gosh, they make every pitcher appear to be an apparent Cy Young candidate.

Falls City Beer
05-26-2014, 09:25 PM
Won two division titles with Rolen. Encarnacion had no place to play here.

And still doesn't. I'm not even convinced he could play first. The worst fielding instincts I can remember. Willie Greene was better.

'69
05-26-2014, 09:25 PM
One month. 118 PA.

Sept. 5 to Oct. 3rd

.316/.505/.421

But to your point, no question Votto's return will help this offense.

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:25 PM
Won two division titles with Rolen. Encarnacion had no place to play here.

I might suggest first base at this point

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:25 PM
Hey, don't shoot the messenger!

Don't wear a bullseye t-shirt

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:25 PM
E-5 has 15 HR's.

Fantastic deal giving him up for Rolen

So was Oakland. GM really screwed that one up for Oakland as well.

RedsfaninMT
05-26-2014, 09:26 PM
Hey, don't shoot the messenger!

Then don't shoot off like your namesake. Not just the Reds, but every single team in baseball passed on E5 when he was waived. Every single one.

The Operator
05-26-2014, 09:26 PM
E-5 plays first....stop it, he drove us all crazy

Yep, for the same team where another mediocre player went and suddenly turned into a 50 HR power hitter. Makes me wonder if they've got some Ryan Braun special suppliments up there.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:26 PM
I might suggest first base at this point

That's where Dunn plays

Roy Tucker
05-26-2014, 09:26 PM
Don't like the looks of this. Ryun is good, but he's not that good.

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:26 PM
And still doesn't. I'm not even convinced he could play first. The worst fielding instincts I can remember. Willie Greene was better.

I thought EE had decent fielding instincts and moved well for a third baseman.

But he absolutely could not throw.

malcontent
05-26-2014, 09:27 PM
No hits thru five. It's not too late for Price to admit his pathetic, imbecilic mistake and send in Mesoraco.

But he won't, of course.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:28 PM
I thought EE had decent fielding instincts and moved well for a third baseman.

But he absolutely could not throw.

He could make amazing plays but was so aloof and did some of the dumbest things

kbrake
05-26-2014, 09:28 PM
I was all for Price as manager. I hereby recant.

I'm not going to change my mind after two months but getting worked up about the offense last night to the media then running this lineup out there is just extremely frustrating.

'69
05-26-2014, 09:28 PM
Edwin E. has the 3rd most HR total since 2010...sure you wouldn't take him in LF?

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:28 PM
Don't like the looks of this. Ryun is good, but he's not that good.

Reds hitters are probably feeling the pressure about now. With no hits through five, they are probably very tight.

I kind of like Pena coming up next, he's been pretty steady.

Falls City Beer
05-26-2014, 09:29 PM
I thought EE had decent fielding instincts and moved well for a third baseman.

But he absolutely could not throw.

He wasn't slow, but he had no sense of where he was, setting, throwing.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:29 PM
Yep, for the same team where another mediocre player went and suddenly turned into a 50 HR power hitter. Makes me wonder if they've got some Ryan Braun special suppliments up there.

They did the grip and rip and forget about taking pitches a few years back with Dwayne Murphy as their HC. For some reason...it worked for them. They would have loved Heisey up there.

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:29 PM
That's where Dunn plays

Who needs Dunn.

I loved Micah Owings' bat

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:29 PM
I'd like to believe the worst 8 hitters on any MLB team could still muster 3+ runs a game

BCubb2003
05-26-2014, 09:29 PM
I was all for Price as manager. I hereby recant.

We need a manager who can hit. Like Manny Ramirez.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:30 PM
I'm not going to change my mind after two months but getting worked up about the offense last night to the media then running this lineup out there is just extremely frustrating.

Well he did say there would be changes in the lineup.

klw
05-26-2014, 09:31 PM
Dodgers are only 4 innings from pulling a Vandermeer.

dsmith421
05-26-2014, 09:31 PM
I'd like to believe the worst 8 hitters on any MLB team could still muster 3+ runs a game

A lineup with Heisey, Ludwick, and Santiago is not far off.

Falls City Beer
05-26-2014, 09:31 PM
Dunn would look like a gold glover in LF compared to Encarnacion. The guy was just not wired for the defensive side of the game. He looked like a golf cart out there.

mbgrayson
05-26-2014, 09:32 PM
Reds hitters are probably feeling the pressure about now. With no hits through five, they are probably very tight.

I kind of like Pena coming up next, he's been pretty steady.

Reds didn't get in to L.A. until 4:00 a.m. They are also playing a very bad lineup. That is why Ryu is throwing a NO HITTER.

[I really don't like the team playing a Sunday night game, flying cross country, and then playing a late afternoon game the next day. The Dodgers flew in from Philly, but their game was over 4 hours before the Reds game.]

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:32 PM
I'm guessing Pena will do something.

Roy Tucker
05-26-2014, 09:32 PM
Nobody could have predicted the turn of events where we'd lament the loss of EE.

The Operator
05-26-2014, 09:32 PM
They did the grip and rip and forget about taking pitches a few years back with Dwayne Murphy as their HC. For some reason...it worked for them. They would have loved Heisey up there.

Yea, I know that's what they say caused it. I'm just not convinced a guy who never hit more than 16 homers or OPS'd above .757 suddenly decided to swing at more pitches and became a 54 HR monster with an OPS north of 1.000.

Maybe it was legit but I'm certainly skeptical.

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:32 PM
Dunn would look like a gold glover in LF compared to Encarnacion. The guy was just not wired for the defensive side of the game. He looked like a golf cart out there.

Who cares.

The runs he produces far outweighs the runs he surrenders

Kingspoint
05-26-2014, 09:33 PM
Reds hitters are probably feeling the pressure about now. With no hits through five, they are probably very tight.

I kind of like Pena coming up next, he's been pretty steady.
I'll take two Dodger errors and a SB.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:33 PM
1982 Reds offense laughs at this and asks...You thought we were bad?

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:33 PM
Nope, not even close.

RedsBrick
05-26-2014, 09:33 PM
Maybe they can power one out of the infield at some point

Falls City Beer
05-26-2014, 09:34 PM
Who cares.

The runs he produces far outweighs the runs he surrenders

Not exactly.

In addition, they'd just pitch around him like they did to Votto last year.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:34 PM
We need a manager who can be the cutoff guy for the CF while playing LF. Like Manny Ramirez.

FIFY

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:35 PM
God this team sucks

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:35 PM
Yea, I know that's what they say caused it. I'm just not convinced a guy who never hit more than 16 homers or OPS'd above .757 suddenly decided to swing at more pitches and became a 54 HR monster with an OPS north of 1.000.

Maybe it was legit but I'm certainly skeptical.


He has come down from those lofty highs and looks normal now. They talked about adjustments in the batting stance.

Look if Big Klu could turn Concepcion and Geronimo into .280-300 hitters....then it can be done.

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:35 PM
Santiago fans. Why is he playing again? Must have missed the explanation.

dsmith421
05-26-2014, 09:35 PM
Well, Johnny, you're going to have to hit two home runs if you want a win tonight.

Kingspoint
05-26-2014, 09:35 PM
This is like watching paint dry.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:36 PM
Reds didn't get in to L.A. until 4:00 a.m. They are also playing a very bad lineup. That is why Ryu is throwing a NO HITTER.

[I really don't like the team playing a Sunday night game, flying cross country, and then playing a late afternoon game the next day. The Dodgers flew in from Philly, but their game was over 4 hours before the Reds game.]

That's just one of dozens of factor in a no-hitter happening

BCubb2003
05-26-2014, 09:36 PM
Dodgers are only 4 innings from pulling a Vandermeer.

This would be more of an Ernie Koob-Bob Groom.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:36 PM
Remember when we used to post a lot between 2001-2009 and talk about......having it just crash down and burn....and just blowing it up, since there was NO point in continuing with the charade?

Well..... that feeling is back.

Feels like May 1993 WC road trip debacle.

Kingspoint
05-26-2014, 09:37 PM
I love watching pitching duels, but that assumes both teams have hitters that put up a fight.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:37 PM
This is like watching paint dry.

That's why everyone should enjoy the blue tank top!

toledodan
05-26-2014, 09:37 PM
Maybe if we get NO HIT Walt will wake up lol

Larry Schuler
05-26-2014, 09:37 PM
Imagine what could have been.

CF Choo
1B Non-longterm contract Votto
DH Nelson Cruz
1B Encarnacion
RF 2008 Jay Bruce
C Grandal
1B Alonso
LF Seth Smith

SP Maloney
SP Volquez
SP Cueto
SP Zack Stewart
SP Travis Wood

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:37 PM
Well, management should be happy. The Reds are playing with great continuity.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:38 PM
We got this

Falls City Beer
05-26-2014, 09:38 PM
Now imagine if they were down by TWO runs. Hoooo boy!

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:38 PM
Reds didn't get in to L.A. until 4:00 a.m. They are also playing a very bad lineup. That is why Ryu is throwing a NO HITTER.

[I really don't like the team playing a Sunday night game, flying cross country, and then playing a late afternoon game the next day. The Dodgers flew in from Philly, but their game was over 4 hours before the Reds game.]


The Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin would laugh at that and ask for a bat.

The Operator
05-26-2014, 09:39 PM
I'm only 26 but I honestly can't ever remember witnessing a Reds offense this pathetic.

I's like watching a Single-A team going up against Randy Johnson. Every night.

powersackers
05-26-2014, 09:39 PM
I'd like to believe the worst 8 hitters on any MLB team could still muster 3+ runs a game

There are three major leaguers in this Reds lineup that should be 25th men or out of baseball because they stink so bad.

dsmith421
05-26-2014, 09:39 PM
Now imagine if they were down by TWO runs. Hoooo boy!

Wait, it's possible to score two runs in the same game?

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:39 PM
LOL, Reds are the only team that can't hit on either end of a long flight.

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:39 PM
Now imagine if they were down by TWO runs. Hoooo boy!

That'll come in the bottom of the 8th courtesy of the bullpen

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:39 PM
Imagine what could have been.

CF Choo
1B Non-longterm contract Votto
DH Nelson Cruz
1B Encarnacion
RF 2008 Jay Bruce
C Grandal
1B Alonso
LF Seth Smith

SP Maloney
SP Volquez
SP Cueto
SP Zack Stewart
SP Travis Wood



Alonso is horrible??

Maloney? Volquez and Stewart?

Roy Tucker
05-26-2014, 09:40 PM
At least Soto isn't playing.

RedsBrick
05-26-2014, 09:40 PM
This board cracks me up. We spend the night lamenting this miserable offense, yet trash a guy whose offensive numbers are ridiculous the past three years...seemingly because he's no longer a Red.

Year Tm G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
2012-2014 TOR 344 1485 1269 214 346 66 3 92 254 22 4 188 192 .273 .370 .547 .917 147 694 31 16 0 12 19

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:40 PM
At least Soto isn't playing.

Soto probably makes the play to keep the game at zero zero.

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:41 PM
This board cracks me up. We spend the night lamenting this miserable offense, yet trash a guy whose offensive numbers are ridiculous the past three years...seemingly because he's no longer a Red.

Year Tm G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
2012-2014 TOR 344 1485 1269 214 346 66 3 92 254 22 4 188 192 .273 .370 .547 .917 147 694 31 16 0 12 19

"But but but...defense!"

powersackers
05-26-2014, 09:42 PM
LOL, Reds are the only team that can't hit on either end of a long flight.

Lol. Great point.

Falls City Beer
05-26-2014, 09:42 PM
This board cracks me up. We spend the night lamenting this miserable offense, yet trash a guy whose offensive numbers are ridiculous the past three years...seemingly because he's no longer a Red.

Year Tm G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
2012-2014 TOR 344 1485 1269 214 346 66 3 92 254 22 4 188 192 .273 .370 .547 .917 147 694 31 16 0 12 19

Where do you play him? Honestly. You realize you have to take the field in the NL.

'69
05-26-2014, 09:42 PM
1982 Reds offense laughs at this and asks...You thought we were bad?

Walt says "meh"

Bob C. May have noticed That this offense has been MIA in front of almost 80k fans the two nights prior, though.

malcontent
05-26-2014, 09:42 PM
Santiago fans. Why is he playing again? Must have missed the explanation.
UC Berkeley degree.

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:42 PM
Ok Price. You have Mesoraco on the bench. You have Jay Bruce and even against a lefty he's better than half these guys.
You are being no hit. I know we're emphasizing continuity and patience, but use your bench as we go forward.

The Operator
05-26-2014, 09:43 PM
This board cracks me up. We spend the night lamenting this miserable offense, yet trash a guy whose offensive numbers are ridiculous the past three years...seemingly because he's no longer a Red.

Year Tm G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
2012-2014 TOR 344 1485 1269 214 346 66 3 92 254 22 4 188 192 .273 .370 .547 .917 147 694 31 16 0 12 19Unless the NL adopted a DH there would be absolutely *nowhere* for him to play.

Roy Tucker
05-26-2014, 09:43 PM
Soto probably makes the play to keep the game at zero zero.

Well, there is always that.

kbrake
05-26-2014, 09:43 PM
This board cracks me up. We spend the night lamenting this miserable offense, yet trash a guy whose offensive numbers are ridiculous the past three years...seemingly because he's no longer a Red.

Year Tm G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
2012-2014 TOR 344 1485 1269 214 346 66 3 92 254 22 4 188 192 .273 .370 .547 .917 147 694 31 16 0 12 19


No one trashed his bat. I don't understand your point.

dsmith421
05-26-2014, 09:43 PM
Where do you play him? Honestly. You realize you have to take the field in the NL.

Better yet, where would he have played in 2010 and 2011, the period where he struggled so badly that he was waived by Toronto and every single organization in baseball passed on him?

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:43 PM
Why even bother bringing Votto back unless he is 100% which Price said will Not happen....since Joey's knees are the reincarnation of Gale Sayers.

No one can do it all, even in 2010 Joey could not do it all.

DocRed
05-26-2014, 09:45 PM
This offense makes me cry

klw
05-26-2014, 09:45 PM
On the the positive side, this Cueto fellow is quite a good pitcher.

mbgrayson
05-26-2014, 09:45 PM
Dodgers pitching hasn't given up a hit in 17 innings....

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:45 PM
Where do you play him? Honestly. You realize you have to take the field in the NL.

You find a place for a bat like that.

1B. LF. RF. Hell, 3B.

The Operator
05-26-2014, 09:45 PM
"But but but...defense!"
Ever think maybe the reason he's broken out offensively is partly due to the fact that he doesn't have to worry about playing defense?

He chronically let his fielding problems screw him up at the plate too. When you're an error machine it's hard not too.

kbrake
05-26-2014, 09:45 PM
Vs. Ryu this season. Left handed hitters .333 Right handed hitters .232

I have no idea what the hell Price was thinking.

dsmith421
05-26-2014, 09:46 PM
You find a place for a bat like that.

1B. LF. RF. Hell, 3B.

THAT'S THE POINT. He didn't have that bat when he was in Cincinnati, and right now he's so valuable that the Blue Jays aren't trading him.

You might as well be crying about the Reds failing to draft Mike Trout. Or trading Christy Mathewson.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:46 PM
Where do you play him? Honestly. You realize you have to take the field in the NL.

Oakland got rid of him too and they needed offense at that time as well.

There is going to always be at least 1 player who gets away or develops elsewhere. What do you think Houston and SF fans were doing in the 70's while watching Morgan and Foster develop like they did.

Hal McRae was a great hitter but could not field anywhere good enough for the Reds to keep him.

They could have used him in 1978.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:46 PM
We're going to win this game

The Operator
05-26-2014, 09:47 PM
You find a place for a bat like that.

1B. LF. RF. Hell, 3B.And then you watch his WAR get cut in half just from the runs he gives up on defense even if he did maintain those same numbers while also having to play the field - which he wouldn't

He is a DH. Period. Put him in the field and you'll get the same Edwin he was with The Reds.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:47 PM
You find a place for a bat like that.

1B. LF. RF. Hell, 3B.


Did you ever see Hal McRae play defense when he was with the Reds?

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:47 PM
You find a place for a bat like that.

1B. LF. RF. Hell, 3B.

EE isn't too bad at first....way better than MVP Ryan Howard was

RedsBrick
05-26-2014, 09:48 PM
Where do you play him? Honestly. You realize you have to take the field in the NL.

Honestly? What difference does it make. The great defense of this 2014 team isn't doing them any favors. I like Todd Frazier...a lot, but EE is lapping him at the plate.

'69
05-26-2014, 09:48 PM
Even "legs" couldn't watch this offense.

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:48 PM
THAT'S THE POINT. He didn't have that bat when he was in Cincinnati, and right now he's so valuable that the Blue Jays aren't trading him.

You might as well be crying about the Reds failing to draft Mike Trout. Or trading Christy Mathewson.

He was a #1 pick. He was given what? 3 years?

How many years has Heisey gotten now? 5?

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:48 PM
They said that no pitching staff has ever thrown no-hitters in consecutive games. This could be the first.

kbrake
05-26-2014, 09:48 PM
I'd like to think this is rock bottom but Greinke and Kershaw coming up so.....

dsmith421
05-26-2014, 09:48 PM
20 up, 20 down as Cozart waves at a pitch he couldn't hit with an ironing board.

mu4103
05-26-2014, 09:49 PM
Last good chance at a hit

Cedric
05-26-2014, 09:49 PM
I wonder why anyone expected a competent offense when the guy deciding the offense says Ramon Santiago doesn't have a dead bat.

kbrake
05-26-2014, 09:49 PM
He was a #1 pick. He was given what? 3 years?

How many years has Heisey gotten now? 5?

Heisey isn't a starter never really has been. That comparison makes no sense.

Kingspoint
05-26-2014, 09:50 PM
Bryan Price was a bad choice to be Manager.

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:50 PM
Did you ever see Hal McRae play defense when he was with the Reds?

No he was before my time.

mu4103
05-26-2014, 09:50 PM
Wow, 6 outs away

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:51 PM
Heisey isn't a starter never really has been. That comparison makes no sense.

It doesn't make sense?

He's on the roster isn't he?

mu4103
05-26-2014, 09:51 PM
Bryan Price was a bad choice to be Manager.

5/26/14 and it begins.

toledodan
05-26-2014, 09:51 PM
Sad just sad

Kingspoint
05-26-2014, 09:51 PM
5/26/14 and it begins.

It began long before that. I'm being consistent. Said it was a bad choice the day he was hired.

mbgrayson
05-26-2014, 09:52 PM
Something special brewing in Los Angeles... Last hit given up by a Dodger pitcher was Saturday in the 7th: (Ben Revere's single to right).

wheels
05-26-2014, 09:52 PM
Once again, a Cincinnati team gets to play the patsy to history.

Whatever.

The Operator
05-26-2014, 09:53 PM
I honestly wonder if Ryu throwing the perfect game might be a good thing in the long run.

Maybe that'll piss Cast off enough to make Walt do something, anything, to imprve this ungodly bad offense.


I love the pitching staff he's assembled but somewhere he must have forgotten that to win a baseball game you have to score at least one run... something that is pretty difficult for this cast of characters to pull off.

Kc61
05-26-2014, 09:53 PM
Patience and continuity.

Roy Tucker
05-26-2014, 09:53 PM
We need rally caps.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:53 PM
He was a #1 pick. He was given what? 3 years?

How many years has Heisey gotten now? 5?

Heisey has had 240 career starts....Edwin had well over 400 starts for the Reds and over 700 more plate appearanced

RedsBrick
05-26-2014, 09:54 PM
Bryan Price was a bad choice to be Manager.

Tonight was definitely not his best line-up, but I like Price.

Playadlc
05-26-2014, 09:54 PM
Embrace the perfecto.

It's going to happen.

The Operator
05-26-2014, 09:54 PM
It doesn't make sense?

He's on the roster isn't he?He's not being counted on to hold down a premium defensive and offensive position every single day.

EE was needed as a starter. Heisey has been a 4th OF at best for this team the entire time.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:54 PM
Embrace the perfecto.

It's going to happen.

Not happening

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:55 PM
Heisey has had 240 career starts....Edwin had well over 400 starts for the Reds and over 700 more plate appearanced

So what.

E-5 was still a decent bat here. Heisey isn't a decent anything.

RedsBrick
05-26-2014, 09:55 PM
Something special brewing in Los Angeles... Last hit given up by a Dodger pitcher was Saturday in the 7th: (Ben Revere's single to right).

Coincidentally, that was also about the last time the Reds scored a run.

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:55 PM
No he was before my time.

He was like EE...... but had no position to play and the Reds traded him. They did not need him really but got minimal return for him.

The only time they missed him was in 1978....as offense was not their problem.

We are here several years later and now EE is brought up again..... when Oakland with the great Billy Bean gave up on him.

Just do what I do.... Blame Walt for not doing anything......and demand the Shark be released so Felix Perez can come and save this offense.

OldXOhio
05-26-2014, 09:56 PM
They said that no pitching staff has ever thrown no-hitters in consecutive games. This could be the first.

I'm rooting for history to be made. One step closer to a sale.

Tom Servo
05-26-2014, 09:57 PM
Well, this ain't good.


And the complaining about Encarnacion is hilarious. Everyone was collectively done with him here in 2009, and he didn't break out until 2012. The Blue Jays had time to wait, we didn't.

kaldaniels
05-26-2014, 09:57 PM
Down by one and some of you are hoping for the perfecta?

Tracy Jones
05-26-2014, 09:58 PM
He's not being counted on to hold down a premium defensive and offensive position every single day.

EE was needed as a starter. Heisey has been a 4th OF at best for this team the entire time.

He's still on the roster though right?

E-5 was at least an average bat in his time here. Way too soon to just throw a number 1 pick away that at least had potential.

Heisey has no potential, yet here he still is 5 years and counting.

Roy Tucker
05-26-2014, 09:58 PM
I'm rooting for history to be made. One step closer to a sale.

Screw history. Win the freakin' game.

redsfaninbsg
05-26-2014, 09:58 PM
I'd rather watch the early '00's Reds than this version right now.

Cedric
05-26-2014, 09:58 PM
Down by one and some of you are hoping for the perfecta?

Short term loss maybe long time gain. Cast might go the way of Oakland and St. Louis if the reds are lucky.

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:58 PM
So what.

E-5 was still a decent bat here. Heisey isn't a decent anything.

He's a good outfielder at all 3 positions and a good PH

Edwin sucked as a starting 3B for the Reds and I just don't believe you thought otherwise WHEN WE HAD him.

Hindsight really really helps.

OldXOhio
05-26-2014, 09:59 PM
One Reds run = three runs for most other teams

Ironman92
05-26-2014, 09:59 PM
He's still on the roster though right?

E-5 was at least an average bat in his time here. Way too soon to just throw a number 1 pick away that at least potential.

Heisey has no potential, yet here he still is 5 years and counting.

Your wife/gf thinks he's cute eh?

Tony Cloninger
05-26-2014, 09:59 PM
Remember when Volquez went off on the Reds offense in 2011....and people posted to STFU....the majority did, at least.

Well you know what? Was he wrong? And this was in 2011 when it was not this bad. Someone step on a few toes and say something.

The Operator
05-26-2014, 10:00 PM
Way too soon to just throw a number 1 pick away that at least potential.LOL if you're gonna troll about stuff at least have your facts straight.

EE was a 9th round pick in the 2000 draft. Maybe you're thinking of Josh Hamilton.

Roy Tucker
05-26-2014, 10:00 PM
Didn't the Reds get EE in a trade?

Kc61
05-26-2014, 10:00 PM
This is like a fifteen pitch at bat for Turner.