NFL 2014

[bucksfan2]

I love college OT but I don't think it is the best system. It is exciting but it special teams out of the mix.

While Peyton may be correct in that it puts a big onus on the coin flip, he had 60 minutes to win the game in regulation and played poorly for about the first 45. At some point you have to tip you hat and say the Seattle took the ball and shoved it right down Denver's throat. An 80 yard TD drive is an impressive feat, especially in OT. If the Bronco's would have held Seattle to a FG I think it puts the game in Denver's favor, it gives Peyton Manning 4 downs to gain a first down instead of your traditional three.

[Sea Ray]

It is a feat in and of itself to even take Seattle to OT at their place

[Hoosier Red]

You think under my proposal that Denver's advantage would have been greater than Seattle's was? How can that be? Under the current system Seattle's advantage was so great that Denver didn't even get the ball. Under my proposal Denver is forced to get a TD. I agree with you that under my plan the coin flip winner would most often choose to kick rather than receive but it's nothing compared to the advantage Seattle had in receiving and having that huge home field advantage behind them


The reason why the second team has the advantage when they're guaranteed a possession is that they know what is needed to tie or win. Therefore they get to use 4 downs if the other team has scored.

Example from Sunday.
If Seattle gets ball first and has 4th and 5 from it's own 30 yard line, it punts every time. But if they score and Denver has 4th and 5 from its' own 30 yard line, it would go for it.

It's like playing poker while the other player shows you his cards. It doesn't guarantee you a victory, but it would tilt the odds in your favor.




Where'd you come up with those three silly ideas?
oh lighten up francis. I said up front that it's out of the box.


Why would any team choose any yard line other than the one? You think teams should be awarded points for losing a coin flip?

Ah, there's the rub. Put the ball at the 1, the other team can say "We'll take the 4 points and defend the goal 99 yards away"
The 2nd team isn't awarded points necessarily. They're given the choice of getting the ball or points. (Although admittedly almost every team takes the points and forces the offense to score a touchdown.)
I suppose you could make the first team choose yard line and direction the offense is going before the 2nd team chooses whether it wants the ball or the points. Or allow the winner of the coin toss to defer the initial decision.

[BuckeyeRed27]

College OT is not the answer either. As those kids wear out offenses take over. It also doesn't include all facets of the game such as punting and kicking off. And most of all sometimes those games can go on for another 1-2 hrs. That's nuts

I don't really care about the special teams aspect. You had 60 minutes to use that to your advantage, now it is time to get a winner. You also still have kickers involved so it doens't completely get rid of special teams.

I don't see how that system wears out a team any more than the NFL system. They are still playing football for the same amount of time. I suppose if it goes to 5 or 6 OT's that is valid, but that is also incredibly rare.

Honestly I think the best system is no OT. The game ends in a tie than so be it. That would also change the strategy late in games of regulation to avoid that playing out.

[Sea Ray]

Honestly I think the best system is no OT. The game ends in a tie than so be it. That would also change the strategy late in games of regulation to avoid that playing out.

That's the worst. The whole purpose of competition is to determine a winner and a loser. I'll take any OT system over ties. That's another problem with the current NFL system. It doesn't always solve the issue of a tie

[BuckeyeRed27]

That's the worst. The whole purpose of competition is to determine a winner and a loser. I'll take any OT system over ties. That's another problem with the current NFL system. It doesn't always solve the issue of a tie

I agree, but unless it's the playoffs or a championship game you don't need a winner or a loser. You are trying to determine the best team over the course of a seaon not in one game. Ties could very well be a part of that. In fact it seems a bit punative to have an overtime loss count the same as a regular loss. Denver fought very hard against one of the best teams in the league on the road. Tampa Bay got beat like a drum and embarrassed themselves on national television. Those results go in the record books the same, which doesn't seem quite right.

[Sea Ray]

The thing is when I pay for a ticket to a sporting event, I want to see a winner and a loser. I'm not there to just see guys pile onto one another and then go home. I want to see competition and that means a winner and a loser. This is one of the things that sets baseball above soccer and hockey. You know at a baseball game that you'll see a winner and a loser

[BuckeyeRed27]

The thing is when I pay for a ticket to a sporting event, I want to see a winner and a loser. I'm not there to just see guys pile onto one another and then go home. I want to see competition and that means a winner and a loser. This is one of the things that sets baseball above soccer and hockey. You know at a baseball game that you'll see a winner and a loser

When I go to a sporting event I want to be entertained. Hopefully my team wins as that does make it more entertaining.

I actually think this a problem baseball has compared to soccer and a bit hockey. When I go to a soccer game I know it is going to take 2 hours give or take and then I can go home. If a tie happens my team still got 1 point and that is still a positive in the grand scheme of things so I can usually live with that. In baseball the game can take 6 hours or so because we want a winner or a loser. After 18 innings I'm no longer entertained and in fact I'm probably no longer watching.

I actually like how hockey gives points where if you end up tied you still get something and yet they still play overtime and have shoot outs, so you can go home with your winner or loser. Everyone wins.

[Yachtzee]

The thing is when I pay for a ticket to a sporting event, I want to see a winner and a loser. I'm not there to just see guys pile onto one another and then go home. I want to see competition and that means a winner and a loser. This is one of the things that sets baseball above soccer and hockey. You know at a baseball game that you'll see a winner and a loser

Baseball is a different sport. You don't have people crashing into each other all game like in hockey or running 10k the whole game with limited subs like soccer.

[Sea Ray]

When I go to a sporting event I want to be entertained. Hopefully my team wins as that does make it more entertaining.

I actually think this a problem baseball has compared to soccer and a bit hockey. When I go to a soccer game I know it is going to take 2 hours give or take and then I can go home. If a tie happens my team still got 1 point and that is still a positive in the grand scheme of things so I can usually live with that. In baseball the game can take 6 hours or so because we want a winner or a loser. After 18 innings I'm no longer entertained and in fact I'm probably no longer watching.

I actually like how hockey gives points where if you end up tied you still get something and yet they still play overtime and have shoot outs, so you can go home with your winner or loser. Everyone wins.

That's an area we see differently. I love extra inning MLB games. I'm a fan of the saying "free baseball". It's like an encore. I don't always stay for all the extra innings but that's my prerogative. I still want a winner. I understand when I go to a baseball game that I don't know how long it'll take. No timeclock is one of the beauties of baseball

[Sea Ray]

Baseball is a different sport. You don't have people crashing into each other all game like in hockey or running 10k the whole game with limited subs like soccer.

No question it's a different sport. Thank God it's different than soccer. I disagree with what I think your point is in that soccer is tougher to play indefinitely. As you state you have subs that can come and go whereas baseball does not. I don't think anything in soccer is as strenuous as throwing a baseball 90 MPH. Soccer's way of settling ties is akin to bringing out the pitching machines and playing home run derby rather than playing extra innings. Furthermore, the reason soccer could keep going and going is because when it's played at it's highest level scoring almost never happens. You might go an hour before you even see a shot on goal. Yeah, God bless baseball

[bucksfan2]

When I go to a sporting event I want to be entertained. Hopefully my team wins as that does make it more entertaining.

I actually think this a problem baseball has compared to soccer and a bit hockey. When I go to a soccer game I know it is going to take 2 hours give or take and then I can go home. If a tie happens my team still got 1 point and that is still a positive in the grand scheme of things so I can usually live with that. In baseball the game can take 6 hours or so because we want a winner or a loser. After 18 innings I'm no longer entertained and in fact I'm probably no longer watching.

I actually like how hockey gives points where if you end up tied you still get something and yet they still play overtime and have shoot outs, so you can go home with your winner or loser. Everyone wins.

Each sport has their unique over time, and I think for the most part they work. What I really don't like is when you have people trying to implement one sports overtime into another or worse, complaining using a comparison. For example, during the world cup you will have some yahoo's saying that PK's are comparable to kicking FG's to see who wins the game. The reality is it couldn't be further from the truth. You can't keep playing extra periods because the teams couldn't physically continue to play. You also see a erosion of play in extra time because no team wants to give up the goal, you see the so called "parking of the bus" in most soccer extra periods. I absolutely love the college overtime, it brings excitement to the table, but it is also done with quite a few more plays than what NFL active rosters allow.

Baseball can continue to go on for innings and innings as long as there are pitchers available and basketball playing a 5 minute OT works because the player are still able to function. IMO there is a limit to how much longer NFL players can play, which makes a quick OT better than a long drawn out one.

[RedTeamGo!]

No question it's a different sport. Thank God it's different than soccer. I disagree with what I think your point is in that soccer is tougher to play indefinitely. As you state you have subs that can come and go whereas baseball does not. I don't think anything in soccer is as strenuous as throwing a baseball 90 MPH. Soccer's way of settling ties is akin to bringing out the pitching machines and playing home run derby rather than playing extra innings. Furthermore, the reason soccer could keep going and going is because when it's played at it's highest level scoring almost never happens. You might go an hour before you even see a shot on goal. Yeah, God bless baseball

Subs cannot come and go in soccer. You have 3, once a player leaves the game he cannot come back in.

Sprinting for 7-8 miles is way more strenuous than throwing a baseball.

Soccer is changing, the last world cup had more goals than almost any WC before it, averaging around 2.7 goals per game.

[BuckeyeRed27]

No question it's a different sport. Thank God it's different than soccer. I disagree with what I think your point is in that soccer is tougher to play indefinitely. As you state you have subs that can come and go whereas baseball does not. I don't think anything in soccer is as strenuous as throwing a baseball 90 MPH. Soccer's way of settling ties is akin to bringing out the pitching machines and playing home run derby rather than playing extra innings. Furthermore, the reason soccer could keep going and going is because when it's played at it's highest level scoring almost never happens. You might go an hour before you even see a shot on goal. Yeah, God bless baseball

I know you like to argue about stuff, but maybe when you have no idea what you are talking about you should leave it. I know you are a red blooded American or at least play one on the internet and are supposed to hate soccer, but at least hate it for the right reasons and not made up ones.

[Sea Ray]

I know you like to argue about stuff, but maybe when you have no idea what you are talking about you should leave it. I know you are a red blooded American or at least play one on the internet and are supposed to hate soccer, but at least hate it for the right reasons and not made up ones.

I'm mistaken that penalty kicks determine winning/losing in soccer? It's a team sport for 90 minutes and then the winner is determined by a one on one matchup. I think that's stupid. If you think I've got it wrong then set me straight.

[Sea Ray]

Subs cannot come and go in soccer. You have 3, once a player leaves the game he cannot come back in.

Sprinting for 7-8 miles is way more strenuous than throwing a baseball.

Soccer is changing, the last world cup had more goals than almost any WC before it, averaging around 2.7 goals per game.

Thank you for the correction...:thumbup:

[BuckeyeRed27]

I'm mistaken that penalty kicks determine winning/losing in soccer? It's a team sport for 90 minutes and then the winner is determined by a one on one matchup. I think that's stupid. If you think I've got it wrong then set me straight.

Ok I will. Most of the time there isn't overtime in soccer unless it is a tournament type setting. Results in soccer get you points. 3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, 0 points for a loss.

When OT is needed it does not go directly to penalty kicks. There is an additional 30 minutes of added time with the same rules as regulation, with a short break after 15 minutes to switch sides. After all of that if it is stll tied they go ahead and do penalty kicks, which isn't perfect but you start to get a serious breakdown in play after guys have ran on average 12-15 miles if they played the whole game. I'm sure you didn't watch, but this years World Cup final went to extra time and Germany was able to score a winner in that period and avoided having to go to kicks.

Also as RedTeam pointed out, there aren't unlimited subs in soccer, you get 3 and that is it even if the game does go to extra time. And I'm not going to get into how a game can go an hour without a shot on goal because this isn't your kids neighborhood soccer league where it sounds like much of your soccer education has come from.

[Yachtzee]

No question it's a different sport. Thank God it's different than soccer. I disagree with what I think your point is in that soccer is tougher to play indefinitely. As you state you have subs that can come and go whereas baseball does not. I don't think anything in soccer is as strenuous as throwing a baseball 90 MPH. Soccer's way of settling ties is akin to bringing out the pitching machines and playing home run derby rather than playing extra innings. Furthermore, the reason soccer could keep going and going is because when it's played at it's highest level scoring almost never happens. You might go an hour before you even see a shot on goal. Yeah, God bless baseball

You must not watch high level soccer very much. There is quite a bit of shooting and while scoring is difficult, it is very exciting and changes the complection of the game when it happens. They get 3 subs and that's it. If a player gets hurt after the subs have been made, the team has to play down a man. Also, if a player gets ejected, the team has to play down a man. There have been games where teams have played down 2 or 3 players. Baseball players get breaks every half inning where they sit and wait their turn at bat. And imagine if a baseball team had to play with only 8 or even 7 players because someone got tossed. And most argue that going to penalty shootouts is like settling a baseball game with home run derby. Different sports entirely.

[Sea Ray]

Ok I will. Most of the time there isn't overtime in soccer unless it is a tournament type setting. Results in soccer get you points. 3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, 0 points for a loss.

When OT is needed it does not go directly to penalty kicks. There is an additional 30 minutes of added time with the same rules as regulation, with a short break after 15 minutes to switch sides. After all of that if it is stll tied they go ahead and do penalty kicks, which isn't perfect but you start to get a serious breakdown in play after guys have ran on average 12-15 miles if they played the whole game. I'm sure you didn't watch, but this years World Cup final went to extra time and Germany was able to score a winner in that period and avoided having to go to kicks.

Also as RedTeam pointed out, there aren't unlimited subs in soccer, you get 3 and that is it even if the game does go to extra time. And I'm not going to get into how a game can go an hour without a shot on goal because this isn't your kids neighborhood soccer league where it sounds like much of your soccer education has come from.

I'm well aware that they try to settle ties in soccer with an OT period of some sort and that such an OT was used in the World Cup this summer. Actually kids soccer matches I've seen tend to have more goals than high level World Cup matches. As for shots on goal, correct me if I'm wrong because you are correct that I'm not the expert in soccer that you are, USA had one shot on goal in the first half of their final game vs Belgium and 4 in regulation. In fact during the entire tournament they had 27.

But this is not the place to debate the merits of soccer. Settling a champion of a major event like the World Cup by making it a one on one--scorer vs goalie-- is nuts!

[Sea Ray]

I know you like to argue about stuff, but maybe when you have no idea what you are talking about you should leave it. I know you are a red blooded American or at least play one on the internet and are supposed to hate soccer, but at least hate it for the right reasons and not made up ones.

Actually your post is more argumentative than mine. If I was into arguing I'd not "ignore" so many people around here.

You are correct that I don't like the sport of soccer and that I rarely watch it. Thus it's fair game to correct me on my facts. I'd prefer you do it in a classy way like others here have but that's OK.

What I don't get is why soccer fans can't handle it when people say that they don't like the sport. We're all baseball fans here but believe it or not there are some people who don't like baseball. They say the game is too slow and too boring. Why is it that baseball fans don't get all riled up like soccer fans do, yourself included? Just say "OK, soccer's not for everyone but I like it" and move on.

[JaxRed]

Can we get back to discussing the NFL on this thread....?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Actually your post is more argumentative than mine. If I was into arguing I'd not "ignore" so many people around here.

You are correct that I don't like the sport of soccer and that I rarely watch it. Thus it's fair game to correct me on my facts. I'd prefer you do it in a classy way like others here have but that's OK.

What I don't get is why soccer fans can't handle it when people say that they don't like the sport. We're all baseball fans here but believe it or not there are some people who don't like baseball. They say the game is too slow and too boring. Why is it that baseball fans don't get all riled up like soccer fans do, yourself included? Just say "OK, soccer's not for everyone but I like it" and move on.

For some reason when people don't like soccer they have to make some big deal and usually sound very ignorant in the process. Like I said in the post you quoted, I don't care if you don't like soccer, but don't like it for the right reasons. This doesn't happen in other sports for some reason. I don't like hockey all that much, but I don't go out of my way to tell hockey fans that because if I did I would sounds like an idiot. I don't think baseball fans get upset when people say the game is slow and boring...because the fact is the game is a little slow and can at times be a little boring. I still love it for a lot of other reasons, but that is a fairly valid reason to not like baseball.

There also seems to be this attitude that you are anti-American or something if you like soccer, or that if you like football you can't like soccer or that soccer isn't a manly game. Those attitudes seem to be changing, particularly in the 35 and younger crowd, but you still run into it.

I know there are so many hours in the day and only so many sports you can follow, but when people just dismiss soccer because "there is only one shot an hour" it make most soccer fans shake their head. If you gave soccer the same chance you gave baseball or football you would probably end up liking it.

Sorry to have hijaked the NFL thread.

[Sea Ray]

Can we get back to discussing the NFL on this thread....?

Let's do it. What do you think about the NFL's OT system?

[bucksfan2]

Ties have been an integral part of soccer for years, maybe forever but I am not a soccer historian. European leagues are unique in that the team that wins the league title is based solely on accumulation of points, not some kind of playoff or tournament. It is also the only sport that I know of that can take a less talented team and play a defensive game in order to gain that one point. You can't "park the bus" in the other major sports, but admittedly I do not know enough of about hockey to know if you can apply that strategy.

Sometimes I don't mind a tie while watching soccer, other times the game is boring. Sometimes that game is free flowing with a lot of action and some great saves while other times the game features little offense with both teams content on not allowing a goal. I have found in most knock out stages OT can become rather boring with the teams not willing to push forward in an attempt to score a goal.

[JaxRed]

Let's do it. What do you think about the NFL's OT system?

It's better than it was.... but I like the College system better.

[Razor Shines]

This is how NFL ties should be decided.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKuGnwE52lc

[Chip R]

I would like to see them play a shortened period. 8 minutes, 10 minutes and if no one scores, it's a tie.

[Yachtzee]

Dueling field goal tries. Each team lines up for a field goal try. If kicker makes it and the other misses or has his kick blocked, game over. If both kickers make their kick, move the line of scrimmage back five yards and go again. If both kickers fail, continue at the same spot until one or both make their kick.

[dabvu2498]

Ball on the 50 yard line. Each team gets one offensive play. Whichever side of the 50 the ball ends up on determines the winner of the game.

[Raisor]

Play a 5th quarter.

[Chip R]

Play a 5th quarter.

I thought for sure you'd suggest Thunderdome.

[Raisor]

I thought for sure you'd suggest Thunderdome.

That's the 6th quarter

[Kingspoint]

For some reason when people don't like soccer they have to make some big deal and usually sound very ignorant in the process.

I played Soccer for three years in High School and two years in College. I've had season tickets to professional Soccer. I live two blocks away from the nation's best women's Soccer University. I fully understand the game. I find it to be very boring. It's also a sport where fans routinely die at the hands of other fans, where officials are routinely attacked. What kind of sport is that?

You can try to complicate it as much as you want in speaking about the intricacies of the game, it's personalities, it's flow, and any other dynamics that make up the World of Soccer, but in the end, the game itself is very boring. A round ball moves around a large square playing area for 90 minutes while 20 of 22 people trot around at "walking around the block" speed for most of the game. A few times during the 90 minutes, the ball goes through a boxed area and gives one of the teams a single point. If at the end of the game, it's tied, then ten people take one shot to decide the outcome. Players routinely faint injuries, then get up as if nothing happened (because nothing happened), while too many fans spend their time drinking too much liquor because the game itself is too boring to watch without alcohol.


You said, "I don't think baseball fans get upset when people say the game is slow and boring...because the fact is the game is a little slow and can at times be a little boring."....you mean, like soccer? There's a huge difference between the boring parts of a baseball game and the boring parts of a soccer game. When baseball has action, which is when contact is made with the bat, an awful lot happens. This happens, on average, 70+ times a game, not counting the foul balls that go into the stands. 70+ times is a lot of action for a boring game. An NFL game has about 150 plays when you count special teams, so it's about half the amount of action of one of those games. But, it's in-between those 70+ times that make baseball fun. (Even in those 70+ times, there's a good chance you see something you've never seen before. That's not going to happen in soccer.)

In a soccer game, you never know when the "action" moments are going to occur, except on Corner Kicks, Penalty Kicks, and some Free Kicks, or a few other scoring situations, so you're left staring for most of the 90+ minutes at a very boring event. In baseball, the action occurs when the Pitcher releases the ball. You know when to look. In between looks, you can do dozens of other things with your time:

1. Talk with your friends or talk with strangers. This is difficult at a soccer match because you'll might miss the few moments of action when it occurs, or it's impossible because the fans around you are screaming their heads off and/or standing trying to drum up excitement on their own because the play on the field doesn't do it.

2. Do crossword puzzles, catch up on reading material, soak up the sun with your eyes closed and your shades on. This isn't going to happen at a soccer game for the same reasons stated in #1.

3. Have a family picnic in the stands similar to one you'd have in the backyard, but there's a baseball game in the background. This isn't going to happen at a Soccer game. Fans around you are too unruly, noisy, and again, you can't relax in the stands because you might miss the few moments of action of the soccer game.

The "boring" parts of a baseball game are as pleasurable as the game, moreso if you have good family and friends that you're with. You actually want the quiet time (I can't stand people in sports marketing, who try to justify their jobs by creating non-stop noise at sporting events, believing that they're enhancing the experience, when they are instead destroying the experience by preventing fans from enjoying the people around them).

If you're in your 20's and you like to drink, then a Soccer game is a great place to go to.

[BuckeyeRed27]

That is what I'm talking about! A good 500 word rant on some specifics of why not to like a sport. I don't agree with basically any of it, but I admire your thoughtful response.

[Boss-Hog]

Let's get back to talking about the NFL, please. If you'd like to discuss why you do or don't enjoy soccer, please start a new thread.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Sort or related because it had to do with his Goodell rant, but wanted to get some thoughts on the Bill Simmons suspension. I think it looks bad for ESPN and makes it look like they are covering for the NFL. I listened the Simmons pod on Monday and at no point thought it was something hew as going to get in trouble for, mostly because what he said was true and what most people are already thinking. I don't see how you can post a very detailed OTL report on the subject and turn around and suspend one of your biggest "stars" for voicing his opinion on the subject.

[Boston Red]

Seems to me that Simmons is mostly getting suspended for challenging ESPN to suspend him. What exactly was the point of that? Was he not getting enough attention and needed a suspension to have more people pay attention to him?

[Hoosier Red]

Seems to me that Simmons is mostly getting suspended for challenging ESPN to suspend him. What exactly was the point of that? Was he not getting enough attention and needed a suspension to have more people pay attention to him?
Everybody wins from ESPN's Fauxtroversy.

ESPN gets to show all their employees that no one is above the "journalistic" code. Simmons gets to up his bonafides that he's not beholden to either ESPN or to the NFL. No one who reads Simmons has any less respect for his journalistic integrity, and it has brought attention to the four letter.

[dabvu2498]

I wouldn't be surprised if Simmons had a three week vacation planned and ESPN decided to drum up some awesome pub.

[Chip R]

I wouldn't be surprised if Simmons had a three week vacation planned and ESPN decided to drum up some awesome pub.

I'm a Simmons fan - although not as much as I used to be - and it does seem a bit fishy. I think he knew he was going to be suspended for what he said because he basically came out and said for ESPN to suspend him in his podcast. He had a whole mailbag about how bad Goodell was and followed it up the week after with more criticism of him and he didn't get suspended until the podcast. It was almost like he dared them to do it with the mailbag, then the week after as well and when nothing happened he finally went in guns blazing. Only then was he suspended.

It all seems a lot like what Willie pulls on WLW every once in a while.

[Kingspoint]

I'm a Simmons fan - although not as much as I used to be - and it does seem a bit fishy. I think he knew he was going to be suspended for what he said because he basically came out and said for ESPN to suspend him in his podcast. He had a whole mailbag about how bad Goodell was and followed it up the week after with more criticism of him and he didn't get suspended until the podcast. It was almost like he dared them to do it with the mailbag, then the week after as well and when nothing happened he finally went in guns blazing. Only then was he suspended.

It all seems a lot like what Willie pulls on WLW every once in a while.

Here's more support for Simmons being right in calling out Goodell (though he shouldn't call out his employers, obviously).

From Rotoworld w/ Rotloworld comments:

A law enforcement official tells the Associated Press that NFL security chief Jeffrey Miller received the Ray Rice video in April.

It appears the NFL may have found its scapegoat, but it's unclear if that's the tact the league will take. It defies logic that Miller would either knowingly not watch the video, or fail to alert commissioner Roger Goodell if he received it. For his part, Miller "unequivocally" denies receiving the tape. The league has repeatedly denied seeing the video before TMZ released it earlier this month. This story isn't going away any time soon.

Source: Associated Press (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ebf42e8f46874905a930794c38a1fc2d/ap-source-video-addressed-nfl-security-chief)

[Razor Shines]

Seems to me that Simmons is mostly getting suspended for challenging ESPN to suspend him. What exactly was the point of that? Was he not getting enough attention and needed a suspension to have more people pay attention to him?

It was stupid. I think everybody pretty much agrees with what he said about the commissioner but I wasn't buying his fake passion.

[cumberlandreds]

I would like to see them play a shortened period. 8 minutes, 10 minutes and if no one scores, it's a tie.

That's what I've always said. Play regular football for another quarter or lessen it by 3 to 5 minutes. If tied then so be it.

[bucksfan2]

Here's more support for Simmons being right in calling out Goodell (though he shouldn't call out his employers, obviously).

From Rotoworld w/ Rotloworld comments:

A law enforcement official tells the Associated Press that NFL security chief Jeffrey Miller received the Ray Rice video in April.

It appears the NFL may have found its scapegoat, but it's unclear if that's the tact the league will take. It defies logic that Miller would either knowingly not watch the video, or fail to alert commissioner Roger Goodell if he received it. For his part, Miller "unequivocally" denies receiving the tape. The league has repeatedly denied seeing the video before TMZ released it earlier this month. This story isn't going away any time soon.

Source: Associated Press (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ebf42e8f46874905a930794c38a1fc2d/ap-source-video-addressed-nfl-security-chief)

Didn't the original source have a voice mail of confirmation from a female?

[Kingspoint]

Didn't the original source have a voice mail of confirmation from a female?
That's what it says in the AP link...a woman says "You're right, it's terrible."

[WrongVerb]

For those who are talking about a workable OT system? That's simple: First team to score 6 points wins. Score a touchdown, you win. Kick a field goal, the other team gets a chance, then back and forth. Play as many additional 15 minute periods as needed.

[BuckeyeRed27]

For those who are talking about a workable OT system? That's simple: First team to score 6 points wins. Score a touchdown, you win. Kick a field goal, the other team gets a chance, then back and forth. Play as many additional 15 minute periods as needed.

I think you would see a lot of player saftey complaints with that. I don't think it would happen often, but you would start to see players breakdown if they had to play 30 or 45 extra minutes of football.

[WrongVerb]

I think you would see a lot of player saftey complaints with that. I don't think it would happen often, but you would start to see players breakdown if they had to play 30 or 45 extra minutes of football.

I can see that. You could make the addendum that if a team ended the OT period with more points than the other, that would be a win as well.

[Kingspoint]

The season is already an act of attrition with a 16-gm season, 4 pre-season games, camp, OTA's, 4 weeks of playoffs to be expanded with two more teams in 2015. They need to play less fotball, not more. Get rid of OT, altogether. A tie after 60 minutes is a tie.

[Roy Tucker]

For OT, play a 7 on 7 5th quarter.

[RedTeamGo!]

Instead if OT how about a 2-man sac race?

[Sea Ray]

For those who are talking about a workable OT system? That's simple: First team to score 6 points wins. Score a touchdown, you win. Kick a field goal, the other team gets a chance, then back and forth. Play as many additional 15 minute periods as needed.

That's basically what we have now. In a game where there's no defense (such as the OSU-UC game) it becomes all about the coin flip. That would allow a team with no defense to win without ever exposing its defensive unit to the field.

[Chip R]

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=11612386

[BluegrassRedleg]

That's basically what we have now. In a game where there's no defense (such as the OSU-UC game) it becomes all about the coin flip. That would allow a team with no defense to win without ever exposing its defensive unit to the field.

I'm OK with that if one team can score a TD. BUT... If it was a first team to 6 deal, I think you'd see a lot of conservative play trying to win the toss and kick two FGs. Not sure how I'd like that.

I know the pros are always concerned about injuries, but the college OT system is best for the fans Great drama.

[Razor Shines]

ESPN says Dennis Allen is gone as Raider's coach. I hope they told him before the plane left from London. Where else would you want to hang out after finding out you don't have to be at work on Monday (assuming you have been paid a crap ton cash as Allen has).

[RedTeamGo!]

Tom Brady appears to be done. Is this just a product of the offensive line or will we ever see the good Tom Brady again?

[Sea Ray]

Tom Brady appears to be done. Is this just a product of the offensive line or will we ever see the good Tom Brady again?

I don't think we'll see Brady in another Super Bowl but I also think we'll see a Brady who's 10x better in Foxboro this week vs the Bengals. The Patriots are still very tough at home

[OldRightHander]

Brady will be better if his offensive line protects him better than they did against the Chiefs. I'm not sure they can.

[Slyder]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/denver-broncos-release-kicker-matt-prater-before-suspension-is-up-182437187.html;_ylt=A0LEVzNEZy9UbP0AKgdXNyoA;_ylu= X3oDMTEzMmdmMTEzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dG lkA1NNRTQ4NV8x

Matt Prater... from Pro Bowl to unemployment office in less than a year! Brandon McManus owners in fantasy football rejoice!

[GAC]

I don't think we'll see Brady in another Super Bowl but I also think we'll see a Brady who's 10x better in Foxboro this week vs the Bengals. The Patriots are still very tough at home

That's the only advantage they have - being at home.

My Browns played in Foxboro late in the season last year (week 14), with a backup QB and a beat up defensive secondary, and lost 27-26 in another game they should have won, but found a way to lose/give it away, which is their habit (sigh).

I say the Bengals, who are better this year (especially defensively) take it to them, and beat'em simply because NE won't have an answer to Cincy's defensive front. The Bengals have the 4th best defense in the NFL overall ..... #2 against the pass, and #9 vs the rush. I think Brady will be under a lot of pressure in this game.

[Sea Ray]

That's the only advantage they have - being at home.

My Browns played in Foxboro late in the season last year (week 14), with a backup QB and a beat up defensive secondary, and lost 27-26 in another game they should have won, but found a way to lose/give it away, which is their habit (sigh).

I say the Bengals, who are better this year (especially defensively) take it to them, and beat'em simply because NE won't have an answer to Cincy's defensive front. The Bengals have the 4th best defense in the NFL overall ..... #2 against the pass, and #9 vs the rush. I think Brady will be under a lot of pressure in this game.

I think the Patriots will look nothing like they did in KC. They will look like a playoff team and the Bengals will have to play a whale of a game to beat them. They still know what they're doing and they did not like being embarrassed on national TV. They rarely lose at home.

[Razor Shines]

The Jets may have a better record but I think I'd feel much better about being Jax fan rather than NY. Holy crap, what an awful performance today. They put in Vick. He actually rushed for 5 yards stopped and threw a TD pass and then acted like he didn't have any idea what the flag was about.

[WrongVerb]

The Jets may have a better record but I think I'd feel much better about being Jax fan rather than NY. Holy crap, what an awful performance today. They put in Vick. He actually rushed for 5 yards stopped and threw a TD pass and then acted like he didn't have any idea what the flag was about.

I heard the commentary of the PITvsJAX game and they said that a team will typically start 1 rookie each week. The Jaguars are starting 5 rookies.

[Chip R]

So, how dumb is Adrian Peterson?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11670621/adrian-peterson-minnesota-vikings-ordered-arrested-pot-admission

[JaxRed]

I heard the commentary of the PITvsJAX game and they said that a team will typically start 1 rookie each week. The Jaguars are starting 5 rookies.


On some plays they had in 6 rookies and a 2nd year player(on offense).

[Redhook]

A belated comment on last nights game. Did anyone notice how stupid the in-studio rules official Mike Carey sounded on Andre Johnson's fumble? Good night. How is that guy an NFL official? It was like he was watching a different play from another game.

[Yachtzee]

A belated comment on last nights game. Did anyone notice how stupid the in-studio rules official Mike Carey sounded on Andre Johnson's fumble? Good night. How is that guy an NFL official? It was like he was watching a different play from another game.

I believe Mike Carey was the ref on the infamous "Cuddle him to the ground" play where the Bengals' Justin Smith got flagged for sacking the Bucs' QB. Carey claimed Smith drove the QB into the ground, but the replays showed Gradkowski tucking his head to protect the ball. When Marvin Lewis was asked how Smith could have avoided the penalty, Lewis said, "I guess he would have to cuddle him to the ground."

[kaldaniels]

A belated comment on last nights game. Did anyone notice how stupid the in-studio rules official Mike Carey sounded on Andre Johnson's fumble? Good night. How is that guy an NFL official? It was like he was watching a different play from another game.

I saw that. "He didn't put it away". Are you kidding me.

I was couldn't believe how sure he was it would be reversed.

[Tom Servo]

Holy crap the Bucs are terrible :lol:

[Boston Red]

The Cowboys are finding some interesting ways to blow their opportunity to get a huge win in Seattle.

[RedsBaron]

My goodness, did the Texans ever have an epic collapse at the end of the first half of their game last night against the Steelers.

[Slyder]

My goodness, did the Texans ever have an epic collapse at the end of the first half of their game last night against the Steelers.

And I won my fantasy football game this week! I went to bed thinking I was 2-5 woke up at 3-4! THANKS HOUSTON!

[Sea Ray]

And I won my fantasy football game this week! I went to bed thinking I was 2-5 woke up at 3-4! THANKS HOUSTON!

Yeah, that's a great feeling. I had that two weeks ago when Russell Wilson ran for 120 yds and racked me up nearly 40 pts to win by less than a point!

[Chip R]

Meanwhile, in London, The Falcons had a 21-0 lead in the 3rd quarter over the Lions and lost 22-21.

[Hoosier Red]

Week 7: Ravens 29-Falcons 7, Colts 27- Bengals 0
Week 8: Bengals 27-Ravens 24, Steelers 35-Colts 17 (So Far)
#YaNeverKnow

[Roy Tucker]

I'm no Colts fan, but the zebras are making sure the Steelers win this game.

[Dom Heffner]

I'm no Colts fan, but the zebras are making sure the Steelers win this game.

That dreaded franchise makes me want to puke.

[Chip R]

This just in: The New York Giants are an awful football team. Luck and the Colts are good but the Giants are awful.

[Slyder]

This just in: The New York Giants are an awful football team. Luck and the Colts are good but the Giants are awful.

I could use Eli turning it over a couple more times just to be safe. I'm up 10 right now and he has Randle, Eli, and Williams tonight in fantasy football.

[Sea Ray]

The NFL came down really hard on Adrian Peterson today. Suspended w/o pay till April at least. I know the players association will take this to court. What do you think? It seems to me that the commissioner has the power to do what he did but we'll see what comes out in court. The NFL lawyers will be busy for awhile

[BuckeyeRed27]

The NFL came down really hard on Adrian Peterson today. Suspended w/o pay till April at least. I know the players association will take this to court. What do you think? It seems to me that the commissioner has the power to do what he did but we'll see what comes out in court. The NFL lawyers will be busy for awhile

If the NFL and Goodell had done this a couple months ago once the facts of the case had come out and he had been indicted than fine. Now it just looks reactionary and doesn't carry any weight.

[Sea Ray]

If the NFL and Goodell had done this a couple months ago once the facts of the case had come out and he had been indicted than fine. Now it just looks reactionary and doesn't carry any weight.

This is a problem when they "let the legal process work". As we saw with Ray Rice the legal process can be very lenient. I think the NFL is better off to handle this themselves, independent of the legal process. Then there's AD himself. He showed his son tough love and now he's getting the same from the NFL. As near as I can tell he had not been docked any paychecks until now. I don't think the NFL could reinstate him now and not have him lose a paycheck over this

[Boston Red]

I think the whole thing is kind of silly. He pleaded to a misdemeanor, will pay a fine, do some community service and take a parenting class. So we tack on taking away his livelihood, too? The whole thing is just odd to me.

[bucksfan2]

I think the whole thing is kind of silly. He pleaded to a misdemeanor, will pay a fine, do some community service and take a parenting class. So we tack on taking away his livelihood, too? The whole thing is just odd to me.

If you are an employer or employee and someone is charged and pleads to beating their child with a tree branch, what do you think happens? Peterson is lucky he is talented or he would not have a job waiting for him. He deserves far more than he will ever get for what he did.

[Kingspoint]

Peterson is lucky he is talented or he would not have a job waiting for him. He deserves far more than he will ever get for what he did.

If he wasn't as talented, his employers never would have had wind of it.

The NFL reaction is media driven only. They have no concern whatsoever when it comes to the lives of human beings. They only care about their image as it effects their bottom-line, as any employer would as you mention. But, in the real world, no employer would have any knowledge of this.

[Boston Red]

If you are an employer or employee and someone is charged and pleads to beating their child with a tree branch, what do you think happens?

Nothing in most cases

[BuckeyeRed27]

This is a weird case because the way the NFL handled it, if you criticize them you sound like you are defending AP. I don't agree with AP's methods and think he went way overboard, but that also shouldn't let allow the NFL to violate a written agreement they had with the player and the union. If they didn't like that agreement than they shouldn't have made it in the first place.

[Sea Ray]

This is a weird case because the way the NFL handled it, if you criticize them you sound like you are defending AP. I don't agree with AP's methods and think he went way overboard, but that also shouldn't let allow the NFL to violate a written agreement they had with the player and the union. If they didn't like that agreement than they shouldn't have made it in the first place.

What written agreement did they violate? I haven't seen it

[Kingspoint]

What written agreement did they violate? I haven't seen it

I never heard of a written agreement, but it was less than a week ago that the NFL said verbally that he would be immediately reinstated and no further punishment would be handed out.

[Sea Ray]

I never heard of a written agreement, but it was less than a week ago that the NFL said verbally that he would be immediately reinstated and no further punishment would be handed out.

Do we have a name to put to this or was it some anonymous source?

[top6]

What written agreement did they violate? I haven't seen it

When the NFL put Peterson on the exempt list, it was done pursuant to a written agreement that he would be removed once his criminal case was resolved.

At least, that is the position the union is taking (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000428463/printable/adrian-peterson-didnt-attend-nfl-hearing-on-friday):


NFL Media's Albert Breer obtained a statement from NFLPA assistant executive director George Atallah on the matter Saturday:

"The League office seems more focused on creating an arbitrary disciplinary process for Adrian instead of honoring a signed agreement to remove him from the Commissioner's list."

Assuming there is such an agreement (and I believe an arbitrator will rule on that issue by Saturday, if not before), then the NFL flagrantly violated it when it did not remove him from the list before last Sunday's game.

[BuckeyeRed27]

What written agreement did they violate? I haven't seen it

I based that off a radio interview I heard this morning on Dan Patrick with the head of the NFLPA. He said they had a written agreement that AP would go on the exempt list until the legal matter was done and once it was he would be released off the list.

[Sea Ray]

When the NFL put Peterson on the exempt list, it was done pursuant to a written agreement that he would be removed once his criminal case was resolved.

At least, that is the position the union is taking (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000428463/printable/adrian-peterson-didnt-attend-nfl-hearing-on-friday):


Assuming there is such an agreement (and I believe an arbitrator will rule on that issue by Saturday, if not before), then the NFL flagrantly violated it when it did not remove him from the list before last Sunday's game.

It'll be very interesting to see if such an agreement existed and if so how it is worded. I hope there is something in writing. It'll make the arbitrator's job that much easier.

[top6]

Do we have a name to put to this or was it some anonymous source?

There is an alleged verbal agreement, but I don't think it is quite as Kingspoint characterizes it (unless I am missing something).

Peterson / the union allege that at some point (apparently separately from the written agreement to which I referred above), Peterson was told by an NFL Executive that his time on the exempt list would count as "time served" when calculating any discipline/suspension.

See story here (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/18/so-who-told-peterson-hed-get-credit-for-time-served/).

[top6]

It'll be very interesting to see if such an agreement existed and if so how it is worded. I hope there is something in writing. It'll make the arbitrator's job that much easier.

Based on everything I have read, the agreement is not ambiguous and the arbitrator is expected to rule in Peterson's favor. The NFL was just trying to buy more time.

My educated guess as to what happened is this. Goodell and the NFL put Peterson on the exempt list, and agreed that he would be removed after criminal charges were resolved, based on the (rather stupid) assumption that the case would not be resolved until after the season. When the case was resolved during the season, they did not want to comply with the agreement. They decided to argue that Peterson could stay on the list in order to buy some more time.

The interesting issue is that, technically, Peterson can play this weekend (if the arbitrator agrees with him and he is removed from the exempt list, which must happen by Saturday), because under the CBA a player can play while his suspension is being appealed. I would guess that the NFL has an informal agreement or understanding with the Vikings that Peterson will not play this weekend (although he will still be paid, I guess) or any time until his appeal his heard.

The whole thing is pretty messed up.

[Sea Ray]

Based on everything I have read, the agreement is not ambiguous and the arbitrator is expected to rule in Peterson's favor. The NFL was just trying to buy more time.

My educated guess as to what happened is this. Goodell and the NFL put Peterson on the exempt list, and agreed that he would be removed after criminal charges were resolved, based on the (rather stupid) assumption that the case would not be resolved until after the season. When the case was resolved during the season, they did not want to comply with the agreement. They decided to argue that Peterson could stay on the list in order to buy some more time.

The interesting issue is that, technically, Peterson can play this weekend (if the arbitrator agrees with him and he is removed from the exempt list, which must happen by Saturday), because under the CBA a player can play while his suspension is being appealed. I would guess that the NFL has an informal agreement or understanding with the Vikings that Peterson will not play this weekend (although he will still be paid, I guess) or any time until his appeal his heard.

The whole thing is pretty messed up.

Yes, it's very messed up indeed. The only point I'd quibble with is that they're leaving him on the exempted list. No, they're now suspending him. The difference is huge financially. He's not paid if he's on the suspended list

[top6]

Yes, it's very messed up indeed. The only point I'd quibble with is that they're leaving him on the exempted list. No, they're now suspending him. The difference is huge financially. He's not paid if he's on the suspended list

They want him to be on the exempted list because they don't want him to play. He has appealed his suspension. Under the CBA, he can play until his appeal his resolved (including this Sunday). The only thing stopping that from happening is the exempted list.

As I said, I bet the NFL has somehow assured itself that will not happen.

[Kingspoint]

Do we have a name to put to this or was it some anonymous source?

Definitely conjecture on reporter's parts and/or anonymous source

Following this timeline....


From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:


According to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, Adrian Peterson could face an NFL suspension even if he's found not guilty on a felony child abuse charge.

Even under the clarified personal conduct policy rules, a suspension does not require a conviction. Any fact established in a legal proceeding can be used against a player as a personal conduct violation. With Peterson's trial not scheduled until Dec. 1 anyway, he's an easy drop in re-draft fantasy formats.

Source: ESPN.com Oct 12 - 11:05 AM


Sources tell ESPN's Adam Schefter that a plea deal for Adrian Peterson could be done as early as Tuesday.

We have no idea how this will affect Peterson's playing status in the NFL. A plea deal is treated the same as a guilty verdict, so the NFL can step in and suspend Peterson further -- although he could get credit for time served. Regardless, it's already been speculated that the Vikings have moved on and may not welcome Peterson back this season. Deep leaguers can make a lottery ticket stash ahead of Tuesday as we wait for more news.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter - Nov 2 - 11:23 AM


NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Adrian Peterson would not be immediately reinstated were he to reach a plea deal to reduce his felony child-abuse charges to misdemeanors.

Rapsheet says AD would earn reinstatement "maybe in time," but "not immediately." It's unclear why that would be the case, but the NFL has been handling all of 2014's off-the-field issues by the seat of its pants. There's been no consistency, or any set formula. Our guess is that if Peterson gets squared with the law, the NFL won't be able to continue his "paid leave" for much longer than it already has.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter Nov 3 - 3:17 PM

A source tells PFT that Adrian Peterson will plead no contest to one count of misdemeanor reckless assault.

If the agreement between Peterson and the prosecutors is accepted by the judge, the case will be resolved. Note that the plea will not include reference to family violence or violence against a minor. He will pay a $2,000 fine, be placed on probation and perform 80 hours of community service. Now the question becomes how the NFL and the Vikings will respond. Peterson has been on a paid suspension since Week 1, missing eight games. No one seems to know if the league office will consider that "time served." If they do, it's possible he could be reinstated quickly. Peterson needs to be owned across the board right now just in case he suits up for the stretch run. "We will review the court documents," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told PFT via email. "We cannot speculate on a timetable for a decision."

Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com Nov 4 - 10:57 AM


NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league will review Adrian Peterson's status after he pleads no contest to a misdemeanor in his child-abuse case on Tuesday, but "cannot provide a timetable."

Peterson is about to be square with the law — he's pleading no contest to misdemeanor reckless assault, with no mention of family violence or violence against a minor — but the league painted itself into a corner with its initial hasty Peterson "decision." It's without an obvious follow up to the panic move it made in September. It will likely become obvious that the NFL's only real option is immediate reinstatement, though that may not happen until Week 11.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter Nov 4 - 1:13 PM


Adrian Peterson reached a plea deal in his child-abuse case Tuesday, pleading no contest to misdemeanor reckless assault.

Peterson has been ordered to pay a $4,000 fine and serve 80 hours of community service. The plea includes no mention of child abuse. AD is now square with the law, but it remains unclear how the NFL will react. Peterson has spent the past eight weeks on "paid leave." His punishment was outside the bounds of the 2011 CBA. The NFL doesn't have much of a leg to stand on if it wants to keep AD banned, but the league has been acting in the best interest of its public image since being rocked by a series of scandals in September.

Source: USA Today - Nov 4 - 3:15 PM


The NFL rejected a request from Adrian Peterson's camp for immediate reinstatement following his plea deal Tuesday.

The NFL isn't going to make any hasty decisions here. Per ESPN's Ed Werder, they will examine the court documents/police record in the case, convene experts, hold a hearing with Peterson and the NFLPA, consult with the Vikings and the union and then possibly apply the personal conduct policy. Considering Peterson has been suspended (with pay) since Week 1, it's only fair that the matter is resolved quickly. He's hoping to play in Week 11 now that all his legal matters are resolved.

Source: Foxsports.com Nov 6 - 9:49 AM


The NFL has informed Adrian Peterson that his case will be "reviewed for potential discipline," and that he will remain on the commissioner's exempt list for the time being.

Peterson "(has) the opportunity to have a hearing prior to the issuance of any discipline." Pending "completion of the process," the exempt list is where he'll stay. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the "earliest" the situation will be resolved is next week. The NFL is moving deliberately after it moved in a frenetic panic upon AD's initial arrest. Peterson should be considered highly questionable to suit up in Week 11. A possible solution will be Peterson getting credit for his paid suspension, but paying a fine commensurate with six game checks.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter - Nov 6 - 3:22 PM


NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Adrian Peterson is facing a six-game suspension, but the NFL will likely consider a combination of time served and loss of pay as his punishment.

Rapoport expects a December return to the field for Peterson. The NFLPA has filed a grievance on behalf of Peterson, demanding immediate reinstatement based on an agreement in September when Peterson was placed on the Exempt List. So, this can still go a number of ways, with Peterson suiting up as soon as next Sunday if he wins the grievance. Vikings coaches reportedly are fully on board with Peterson returning to the team, but the front office is split.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter Nov 9 - 10:00 AM


Speaking Monday, Vikings coach Mike Zimmer confirmed the Vikings would welcome Adrian Peterson back, but said the situation is in the hands of the NFL.

"We love the kid," Zimmer said of his superstar back. "He's done everything we've asked." Zimmer said the league has not provided a timetable on its decision to activate AD from the commissioner's exempt list. The Washington Post's Mark Maske calls it a "fluid situation that could change daily." It appears unlikely that Peterson is activated for Week 11, but it can't yet be ruled out.

Source: Matt Vensel on Twitter - Nov 10 - 1:23 PM


Adrian Peterson's NFL status will be determined by Saturday, Nov. 22 at the latest.

PFT's Mike Florio points out that under Article 43 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, a hearing on an expedited grievance must occur within seven days of the filing (it will be Nov. 17 in this case). The case must then be resolved within five days after that hearing. Of course, things could go faster than that but the NFL appears to be dragging its heels here in an effort to keep Peterson off the field. A source tells ESPN's Ed Werder that the case between the NFLPA and the NFL "could get ugly."

Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com - Nov 11 - 9:26 AM


ESPN's Adam Schefter predicted on Sunday Countdown that Adrian Peterson will resume playing football "sooner rather than later."

"My sense is still that he will play this season," Schefter said, "and sooner rather than later." The NFL and NFLPA are going back and forth through the media, with Peterson issuing a statement on Sunday morning after the NFL accused him of missing a disciplinary hearing on Friday. The statement can be read at the link below.

Source: Vikings running back Adrian Peterson is denying that he backed out of an agreed-upon meeting with the NFL, a meeting that might have served to help him in his quest to be reinstated following his no contest plea on a charge of injuring his son. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/16/adrian-peterson-issues-statement-questions-nfl-discipline-process/) - Nov 16 - 9:43 AM


The NFL has suspended Adrian Peterson without pay for at least the remainder of this season.

Roger Goodell does not see the nine games Peterson was forced to spend on Commissioner-Exempt list (with pay) as "time served." They are now trying to keep AP off the field via the Personal Conduct policy after he pled "no contest" to misdemeanor assault charges stemming from a discipline incident with his son. Peterson's lawyers and the NFLPA are appealing the suspension right away, but the NFL has really dug its heels in here. Stashers should just sit tight for a few more days as the dust settles even though it's looking bleaker than ever that he'll play this year.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter - Nov 18 - 8:45 AM


ESPN's Ed Werder says it's "very possible" Adrian Peterson returns to field Sunday while appealing his suspension.

We see "very possible" as a bit of an exaggeration. Yes, Peterson could win his grievance and be removed from the Commissioner-Exempt list Wednesday. He could then combine that with an appeal of his Personal Conduct suspension to try to get on the field. But whether the Vikings would be willing to activate him remains to be seen and the NFL clearly does not want AP activated. Stashers can still desperately hold on to Peterson until there's more clarity on the situation.

Source: Ed Werder on Twitter - Nov 18 - 11:33 AM

[nmculbreth]

The punishment seems reasonable but it would be nice if the NFL would come up with a uniform way of dealing with theses issues, rather than the ad-hoc approach they've been using.

That said I can see where the NFL is coming from on this issue... Peterson's continued lack of contrition is concerning and I can see why the NFL felt like he backed them into a corner. Really all he needed to do was feign remorse and he'd have probably gotten off with time served and a fine equivalent to a few game checks.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

Independent arbitrator Shyam Das has ruled the NFL can keep Adrian Peterson on the exempt list.

Peterson is still appealing his year-ending suspension, but this is a major blow to his odds of suiting up in 2014. Commissioner Roger Goodell is now officially Peterson's judge, jury and executioner, and the NFL has made it quite clear it's not planning to be lenient. If you've been stashing AD in hopes of a late-season return, the odds are now slim enough that he should be let go. Four months shy of his 30th birthday, Peterson is at a career crossroads. It's likely he's played his last snap in Minnesota.

Source: Tom Pelissero on Twitter (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2201694-adrian-peterson-suspended-latest-details-comments-and-reaction)

[Kingspoint]

That said I can see where the NFL is coming from on this issue... Peterson's continued lack of contrition is concerning and I can see why the NFL felt like he backed them into a corner.

Certainly this didn't help...

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

FOX Houston reports Adrian Peterson is facing arrest after violating the terms of his bond by "(smoking) a little weed."

According to court records, Peterson admitted to his marijuana consumption before taking a Wednesday drug test. It's a staggering lack of awareness from a player not only battling the court of law, but the court of public opinion. It's unclear if this will affect Peterson's tentative December 1 trial date.

Source: FOX Houston (http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/26748108/adrian-peterson-could-be-arrested-again-on-drug-violation) - Oct 9 - 3:28 PM

[Boston Red]

I think Jerry Jones is advising Peterson in this. He's helping Peterson essentially make himself poisonous to Minnesota so that they cut him loose and the Cowboys can grab him.

[Slyder]

The NFL came down really hard on Adrian Peterson today. Suspended w/o pay till April at least. I know the players association will take this to court. What do you think? It seems to me that the commissioner has the power to do what he did but we'll see what comes out in court. The NFL lawyers will be busy for awhile

It happened after Ray Rice and the NFL is desperate to look tough on the players. IMO.

[Sea Ray]

It happened after Ray Rice and the NFL is desperate to look tough on the players. IMO.

I agree that that's a big factor. We'll soon find out if they violated any agreements in doing so

[top6]

Well it looks like the reports I heard about the arbitrator removing Peterson from the exempt list were wrong; I guess the arguments weren't as clear cut as the NFLPA seemed to think.

This whole thing is a mess. The NFL does appear to be acting arbitrarily and doling out inconsistent punishments. While I find that revolting in principle, there is some justice in Adrienne Peterson being on the receiving end of harsh and unfair punishment, given that he felt the need to beat the crap out a 4 year old.

[Yachtzee]

Don't know about Boston, but I've seen plenty of people lose their jobs as a result of misdemeanor convictions. I've seen quite a few lose their jobs just by being charged. Sometimes people get fired while the case is pending because they have to take too much time off work to handle their case. It can be especially tough for people whose employment involves some sort of license or is subject to some sort of state review board. For those people, a misdemeanor conviction can result in not only losing their job, but also losing their ability to work in their desired field for a certain period of time, potentially permanently.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

The league has announced that Sunday's game between the Bills and Jets will not be played in Buffalo.

"Due to public safety concerns in light of the ongoing weather emergency in Western New York, Sunday's Jets-Bills game will not be played in Buffalo," the league said in a statement. It remains unclear where the game will be moved, but most signs point to a Monday tilt in Detroit or Washington D.C. New York apparently isn't an option because of the unfair advantage it would afford the Jets.

Source: NFL.com


A couple day ago I had picked up the JETS' Defense intending on playing them against the Bills IN Buffalo. That plan is scrapped now.

[Kingspoint]

Alex Smith will never get to a Super Bowl, yet alone win one. He can't run a 2-minute Offense. Heck, he can't throw the ball ten yards down the field.

[Chip R]

Don't know about Boston, but I've seen plenty of people lose their jobs as a result of misdemeanor convictions. I've seen quite a few lose their jobs just by being charged. Sometimes people get fired while the case is pending because they have to take too much time off work to handle their case. It can be especially tough for people whose employment involves some sort of license or is subject to some sort of state review board. For those people, a misdemeanor conviction can result in not only losing their job, but also losing their ability to work in their desired field for a certain period of time, potentially permanently.

Peterson shouldn't have this problem since he's one of the best at what he does. If and when the Vikings cut him, another team will snap him up. It works that way in the real world too. If you are one of the best at what you do in whatever profession; if you get fired because of some transgression, another company will snap you up just like that as long as your transgression isn't too heinous.

It will be interesting to see what happens to Peterson. The NFL is not counting his time on the exempt list as a suspension. Even though he has been suspended he is still on the exempt list. If this appeal drags on through the end of the regular season, is he suspended for the 1st 6 games of 2015?

[Chip R]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

The league has announced that Sunday's game between the Bills and Jets will not be played in Buffalo.

"Due to public safety concerns in light of the ongoing weather emergency in Western New York, Sunday's Jets-Bills game will not be played in Buffalo," the league said in a statement. It remains unclear where the game will be moved, but most signs point to a Monday tilt in Detroit or Washington D.C. New York apparently isn't an option because of the unfair advantage it would afford the Jets.

Source: NFL.com

That's the first time I've heard of anything being moved to Detroit because of public safety. ;)

[Razor Shines]

Wow. That catch by Odell Beckham Jr might be the best catch I've ever seen.

[BluegrassRedleg]

When my phone and twitter feed started blowing up about Beckham, I thought it was just hype. Then I came home and saw it on the DVR. Wow. Have watched the NFL for almost 40 years. Have never seen anything close to that catch.

[Big Red Smokey]

Adam Schefter ‏@740JZD 15m15 minutes ago
Received a text stating that Ray Rice is currently at the Steelers facility in Pittsburgh.

[dubc47834]

Adam Schefter ‏@740JZD 15m15 minutes ago
Received a text stating that Ray Rice is currently at the Steelers facility in Pittsburgh.

That was a fake Adam Schefter account it looks like!

[Tom Servo]

I'm not a Tennessee Titans fan or hater, but I can't stop paying attention to what a trainwreck they are. It apparently took Whisenhunt less than one season to turn them into the mess his post-Kurt Warner Arizona Cardinals were.

[Slyder]

I'm not a Tennessee Titans fan or hater, but I can't stop paying attention to what a trainwreck they are. It apparently took Whisenhunt less than one season to turn them into the mess his post-Kurt Warner Arizona Cardinals were.

Don't watch the Oakland game today, first time I've ever willingly turned a game off. We have no speed and half the defense ran scared of the Rams speed.

[Slyder]

Best hit by a Raider player this year?

https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/HrRFdBjEFt0hQiYQOJqPbwwrWlc=/500x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2504498/lolraiderslol.0.gif

[Mutaman]

Kudos to Mike McCarthy and the entire Packers organization. Great game, great win! Just stay healthy boys.

[Mutaman]

Bovada just released their over-unders.

I'll take the Packers over 10.5

http://sports.bovada.lv/sports-betting/football-team-props.jsp

Who do i see to collect?

[blumj]

Who do i see to collect?
Sorry, but saying "I'll take..." on a message board only gets you bragging rights if someone else took the alternative.

[Slyder]

I wanted to share this story because you always hear about the idiots and lowlifes, but very rarely do you get to see the good stories that come out of NFL locker rooms.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyGRSyff4sQ

[Razor Shines]

Who do i see to collect?

Send a screen grab of that post to Bovada. I've heard of them paying out for stuff like that before.

[Mutaman]

Sorry, but saying "I'll take..." on a message board only gets you bragging rights if someone else took the alternative.

In real life my bookmaker took the alternative. Cashing is even more fun than bragging.

[blumj]

In real life my bookmaker took the alternative. Cashing is even more fun than bragging.
Why didn't you say so? Making money off it in real life absolutely gets you the bragging rights. Good job!

[Razor Shines]

I don't have the clip yet. I don't like Packers at all but there's no way you can convince me that Suh didn't stand on Rodgers' ankle on purpose.

[KoryMac5]

I don't have the clip yet. I don't like Packers at all but there's no way you can convince me that Suh didn't stand on Rodgers' ankle on purpose.

Yeah and he sure wasn't in a hurry to get off the ankle either. Suh should be a little light in the wallet for that step.

[Razor Shines]

Niners players gave Harbaugh the game ball on the sideline and then a Gatorade shower.

[Kingspoint]

Yeah and he sure wasn't in a hurry to get off the ankle either. Suh should be a little light in the wallet for that step.

One game suspension and a playoff game and Detroit will now have a much harder time stopping Murray. He'll appeal, but the NFL will tell him to take a hike.

[Kingspoint]

One game suspension and a playoff game and Detroit will now have a much harder time stopping Murray. He'll appeal, but the NFL will tell him to take a hike.
Two things happened today to have a major impact on the game.

First, Suh won his appeal and will only be fined $77,000 with no suspension. Suh remains an immovable object in the middle of the defense.

Second, the Cowboys placed DT Henry Melton on injured reserve with a bone bruise in his knee, ending his season. LB James Anderson was signed in a corresponding roster move. It's a huge loss for a Cowboys team that generated just 28 sacks this season (28th in the league). Melton's five quarterback takedowns were second on the team behind Jeremy Mincey's six even though he played just 433 snaps.

[kaldaniels]

Marrone opts out of Buffalo.

[Tom Servo]

May have been against a team with a high school level offense but my Panthers win their first playoff game since 2005! :beerme:

[Stray]

Pittsburgh without Bell is a mediocre football team. Still think the Bengals beat them last week if Green doesn't fumble...

Looks like Baltimore moves on. They're dangerous to Denver and New England, playing on the road doesn't seem to be a disadvantage for that group.

[dabvu2498]

John Harbaugh has never lost in the 1st round. That's pretty amazing.

[Stray]

John Harbaugh has never lost in the 1st round. That's pretty amazing.

Maybe he could share his secret with Marvin.

[dabvu2498]

Maybe he could share his secret with Marvin.

Wellll, I wasn't going to go therrrrre. :)

[Tom Servo]

Can we talk about Mike Tomlin cloning himself? HAS SCIENCE GONE TOO FAR?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6ep_cJCEAAM68J.jpg

[dougdirt]

Maybe he could share his secret with Marvin.

Don't have Andy Dalton as your quarterback or have your quarterback tear his ACL on the first play?

[Stray]

Don't have Andy Dalton as your quarterback or have your quarterback tear his ACL on the first play?

Hey Flacco is a very mediocre QB and he's won big with him regularly. I'm honestly not so sure Flacco is even better than Dalton to be honest.

[Razor Shines]

Can we talk about Mike Tomlin cloning himself? HAS SCIENCE GONE TOO FAR?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6ep_cJCEAAM68J.jpg

They got kinda crazy with the eyes on the second one.

[Assembly Hall]

No comments on that horrid call in the Detroit/Dallas game?

[KronoRed]

No comments on that horrid call in the Detroit/Dallas game?

The fix was in.

[Kingspoint]

No comments on that horrid call in the Detroit/Dallas game?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2319173-mike-taniers-monday-morning-hangover-colts-cam-cowboys-conspiracy?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Not a coincidence that the Vice-President of NFL officiating is from New Jersey (the NBA referees who got caught cheating were from New Jersey as is David Stern). The referee that threw the flag and then picked it up without an explanation is also Italian as is the Vice President of NFL officiating. Just the facts, ma'am. Who was in the owners box celebrating with Jerry Jones? The New Jersey Governor, Christie.

[Assembly Hall]

Well we will see if that "mafia" magic works next week in Green Bay!

[jimbo]

Kyle Shanahan out as Cleveland Browns OC.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12136623/offensive-coordinator-kyle-shanahan-leaving-cleveland-browns

The revolving door of coaches continues in Cleveland. As a Browns fan, I refused to drink the kool-aide after a few early wins this season. The dysfunction of this organization never ceases to disappoint me, as comments made by Shanahan just reinforces it once again. It starts at ownership and continues all the way down to the water boy. Now we have the freak show known as Johnny Football making news lines with his shenanigans on a weekly basis. The once hard core Browns fan in me dies a little bit every year.

[RichRed]

Redskins finally hire a GM whose specialty is player personnel, Scot McCloughan...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000454845/article/washington-redskins-make-scot-mccloughan-gm

...who has a bit of a problem with alcohol, because of course he does. Working for Dan Snyder should be reeeallly good for his sobriety.

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12014699/scot-mccloughan-nfl-best-talent-scout-self-employed-living-farm

[Kingspoint]

Kyle Shanahan out as Cleveland Browns OC.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12136623/offensive-coordinator-kyle-shanahan-leaving-cleveland-browns

The revolving door of coaches continues in Cleveland. As a Browns fan, I refused to drink the kool-aide after a few early wins this season. The dysfunction of this organization never ceases to disappoint me, as comments made by Shanahan just reinforces it once again. It starts at ownership and continues all the way down to the water boy. Now we have the freak show known as Johnny Football making news lines with his shenanigans on a weekly basis. The once hard core Browns fan in me dies a little bit every year.

I am very sorry about that. I really want Cleveland to be a respectable organization. It will never happen under the foolish leadership of Jimmy "Flying J" Haslem.

[Tom Servo]

Redskins finally hire a GM whose specialty is player personnel, Scot McCloughan...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000454845/article/washington-redskins-make-scot-mccloughan-gm

...who has a bit of a problem with alcohol, because of course he does. Working for Dan Snyder should be reeeallly good for his sobriety.

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12014699/scot-mccloughan-nfl-best-talent-scout-self-employed-living-farm
Great read, thanks for the link!

[Stray]

Baltimore is taking it to Brady. Lot of sacks and he's getting hit on every throw. That will eventually take its toll and lead to a turnover.

[RedsBaron]

The officiating in the NFL is so inconsistent that it is affecting my ability to enjoy the game. Judging by what occurred in the infamous pass interference-no it isn't pass interference call/no-call in the Cowboys-Lions game last week and the terrible pass interference/no interference in the Patriots-Ravens game, I think the rules are just made up or ignored on a whim, somewhat like "Calvin Ball."

[RedsBaron]

Wow! The refs actually called pass interference on Revis. It was an obvious call but I didn't expect them to do it.

[Stray]

Doesn't matter who the QB is, if you hit them enough you will force them into mistakes. Baltimore's lines are controlling both sides of the ball.

[Dom Heffner]

Wow! The refs actually called pass interference on Revis. It was an obvious call but I didn't expect them to do it.

They're missing all sorts of calls...

[RedsBaron]

They're missing all sorts of calls...

Yeah, they just missed one where Gronk was clearly interfered with.

[Stray]

This has been a great game.

[RedsBaron]

This has been a great game.

Despite my grumbling about the refs, I agree. I expect the fumble call to be overturned.

[Razor Shines]

Thanks a lot Flacco. The Colts slim hopes of going to the Super Bowl just got slimmer. Winning at Denver will be a tall task on it's own, it would have been nice if Baltimore could have taken going to NE off the table.

[blumj]

What's more fun than a college QB converted to PR to WR to DB back to WR getting to throw his first NFL pass in his 5th pro season and it's a 50+ yard TD pass in a playoff game?

[Razor Shines]

What's more fun than a college QB converted to PR to WR to DB back to WR getting to throw his first NFL pass in his 5th pro season and it's a 50+ yard TD pass in a playoff game?

Oh, I don't know how about that not happening and the Ravens winning by 3 so the AFC doesn't go through New England?

[RedsBaron]

I was rooting against New England but it was great game. I will be surprised if Denver or Indy takes down the Pats next week. If the Super Bowl winds up being New England vs. Seattle I will be disappointed but not surprised.

[blumj]

Oh, I don't know how about that not happening and the Ravens winning by 3 so the AFC doesn't go through New England?
After watching that game, I'm not sure I'd be thinking, darn it, I really wanted my team to get to play the Ravens in the next round, no matter where the game would be.

[Razor Shines]

After watching that game, I'm not sure I'd be thinking, darn it, I really wanted my team to get to play the Ravens in the next round, no matter where the game would be.

Oh please, don't down play the Patriots. Give me the option of the Ravens in Indy vs. the Pats in NE, I'll take the Ravens every single time and it's not even close.

[blumj]

Oh please, don't down play the Patriots. Give me the option of the Ravens in Indy vs. the Pats in NE, I'll take the Ravens every single time and it's not even close.
I'm not downplaying anyone, I truly don't get the logic because the team that would have just done the very thing you consider so difficult that you're hoping your team won't have to do it would scare me as much as any team no matter where the game is.

[GAC]

Yeah, they just missed one where Gronk was clearly interfered with.

And that was really amazing with the game being in Foxboro.

Last year the Browns played there and were beating the Pats - and should have won - yet in the last minute the refs hit the Browns with a PI call on a Brady long ball to the end-zone that gave NE the ball first and goal. The rest is history. It was a terrible call, and even the announcers, upon review, said so.

[GAC]

And I don't ask for much in life.... but please, please beat Dallas today Packers, so I don't have to go into work tomorrow and listen to the 4-5 Cowboy fans run their mouths. They're unbearable.

I hope Romo, when it comes to the post-season, is the Tony Romo we all hold dear! LOL

[RedsBaron]

And I don't ask for much in life.... but please, please beat Dallas today Packers, so I don't have to go into work tomorrow and listen to the 4-5 Cowboy fans run their mouths. They're unbearable.

I hope Romo, when it comes to the post-season, is the Tony Romo we all hold dear! LOL

I am rooting for the Packers, one of my three favorite NFL teams, but I concerned about how well Rodgers can play with his bum calf. Sadly, with Seattle having home field advantage throughout the NFC playoffs, I expect the Seahawks to return to the Super Bowl. I thought the team with best chance in the AFC to upset New England was the Ravens, so now I am really expecting a Seahawks-Patriots Super Bowl.

[RichRed]

And I don't ask for much in life.... but please, please beat Dallas today Packers, so I don't have to go into work tomorrow and listen to the 4-5 Cowboy fans run their mouths. They're unbearable.

I hope Romo, when it comes to the post-season, is the Tony Romo we all hold dear! LOL

Cowboys fans are everywhere and it's disgusting. If I hear one more of them use the expression "call out the haters" in person or on Facebook, I'll puke. (They love to "call out the haters", for some reason.)

[Razor Shines]

I'm not downplaying anyone, I truly don't get the logic because the team that would have just done the very thing you consider so difficult that you're hoping your team won't have to do it would scare me as much as any team no matter where the game is.

You don't understand the logic of preferring the Ravens in Indy in perfect conditions rather than the Patriots in NE? Maybe I'm completely out of my mind but that seems like a no brainer.

[The Operator]

Well, I guess we've got this year's "Omaha", courtesy of Aaron Rodgers.

Anybody else hear him yell out "New York Bozo!" during an audible? It's got the interwebs abalaze.

[Boston Red]

One drive for all the marbles. Will Romo go Romo? Or will he get it done?

[dabvu2498]

This is a great football game.

[Boston Red]

Dez certainly helped Romo ' s cause there. Gutsy call on 4th down. It would be called foolish if it didn't work.

[Boston Red]

Man that's a stupid rule.

[dabvu2498]

So much for the Dallas/referee conspiracy theories.

[Redhook]

Man that's a stupid rule.

Yes, it is. It's too bad they can't use common sense. That was a great catch. It's too bad it was ruined.

[Chip R]

I'm glad that call got reversed and it was payback for last week but how is that not a catch? Heck, I thought it may have been a TD since Bryant wasn't touched.

[Stray]

Don't like either team but I hate that a stupid rule decided what was a great game. If that's a not a catch, then the definition of catch needs to change. Beyond stupid.

[Todd Gack]

When did the ball even touch the ground?

[Razor Shines]

How is diving for the endzone not a football move? I thought Green Bay was gonna challenge that into a touchdown. Like others have said if that's the rule, it's an awful rule. An amazing catch and effort by Bryant.

[Roy Tucker]

Peyton isn't looking so good.

[Razor Shines]

Peyton isn't looking so good.

Not so far. I wonder if they've downplayed his thigh injuries. I'm not sure if I've ever seen him put so much effort into throws down the field.

[Mutaman]

Congrats to Mike McCarthy and the entire Packer organization. 120 more minutes to go. Upon further review ........ the Cowboys still suck.

[Razor Shines]

Congrats to Mike McCarthy and the entire Packer organization. 120 more minutes to go. Upon further review ........ the Cowboys still suck.

I don't know about suck. It was a good game that hinged on a questionable call. Gutsy performance by Rodgers though.

[Redhook]

Another awful overturn by the refs. What in the world is happening? That was clearly a fumble by Cribbs. And Dez clearly caught the ball earlier. I could kind of understand either call if it was the original call, but to overturn both is ridiculous. I hate when refs start ruining the games.

[Razor Shines]

Another awful overturn by the refs. What in the world is happening? That was clearly a fumble by Cribbs. And Dez clearly caught the ball earlier. I could kind of understand either call if it was the original call, but to overturn both is ridiculous. I hate when refs start ruining the games.

It was clearly a fumble by Cribbs? I mean he was down before the ball came out.

[KoryMac5]

Going to be tough for Denver to score quickly when your QB can't throw over 30 yds. Dinking and dunking ain't gonna get it done.

[Roy Tucker]

Yep. Big time-consuming drive by the Colts.

Luck is the real deal.

[Razor Shines]

Ok, Peyton, sign a ten day contract and retire as a Colt.

[redsfanmia]

Ok, Peyton, sign a ten day contract and retire as a Colt.

He has to retire a Colt, he has to be injured because he just looked bad.

[Assembly Hall]

I almost thought I was watching a replay from last week. I had to do a double check to make sure that was Denver and not Cincinnati.

[Mutaman]

I don't know about suck. It was a good game that hinged on a questionable call. Gutsy performance by Rodgers though.

One good game doesn't overcome 50 years of suckitude. Anyhow they can debate it while they're teeing off next week. I'll be busy taking those 7 points against Seattle with both hands.

[Razor Shines]

He has to retire a Colt, he has to be injured because he just looked bad.

I agree. I've never seen Peyton look that bad throwing the ball. He's either injured or old age caught up to him all of the sudden somewhere around week 13 or 14 this season.

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One good game doesn't overcome 50 years of suckitude. Anyhow they can debate it while they're teeing off next week. I'll be busy taking those 7 points against Seattle with both hands.

Always a joy.

[Redhook]

It was clearly a fumble by Cribbs? I mean he was down before the ball came out.

Yes, it was. It happened so fast, he never had possession. Watching it in super slow mo may have made it look like he had possession, but he didn't. From the time he touched the ball to when he hit the ground was less than a second. Even though I can't stand Mike Carey, I agreed with his analysis of the play.

[Redhook]

I agree. I've never seen Peyton look that bad throwing the ball.

Me too. His long pass were consistently over thrown. His shorter passes were wobbly and all over the place. It was ugly which gave the Broncos virtually no chance.

[The Operator]

One good game doesn't overcome 50 years of suckitude. Anyhow they can debate it while they're teeing off next week. I'll be busy taking those 7 points against Seattle with both hands.50 years of suckitude? They've won the Super Bowl five times.

I'd love it if The Bengals sucked like that.

[fearofpopvol1]

Another awful overturn by the refs. What in the world is happening? That was clearly a fumble by Cribbs. And Dez clearly caught the ball earlier. I could kind of understand either call if it was the original call, but to overturn both is ridiculous. I hate when refs start ruining the games.

Actually, the correct call really should've been interference on that play and a penalty against Denver. Not that it matters now.

[fearofpopvol1]

One good game doesn't overcome 50 years of suckitude. Anyhow they can debate it while they're teeing off next week. I'll be busy taking those 7 points against Seattle with both hands.

If AR can't move similar to today, they will lose to Seattle. And likely by a lot.

[Mutaman]

50 years of suckitude? They've won the Super Bowl five times.

I'd love it if The Bengals sucked like that.

Suckitude has nothing to do with wins and losses or rings. For example, see the Yankees.

[Mutaman]

If AR can't move similar to today, they will lose to Seattle. And likely by a lot.

You can easily find my pm and we can work something out if you're so inclined.

[fearofpopvol1]

You can easily find my pm and we can work something out if you're so inclined.

I am a betting man but I like making bets I can calculate to some degree. AR's health is an unknown so it's really hard to project. If he can run around in and out of the pocket, I like their chances. If he can't, then I don't.

[Assembly Hall]

I am a betting man but I like making bets I can calculate to some degree. AR's health is an unknown so it's really hard to project. If he can run around in and out of the pocket, I like their chances. If he can't, then I don't.

I don't like the Pack's chances at all. But that being said, Rodgers is as cool as the other side of the pillow. And when he is back there, I aint betting against Green Bay.

[Mutaman]

I am a betting man but I like making bets I can calculate to some degree. AR's health is an unknown so it's really hard to project. If he can run around in and out of the pocket, I like their chances. If he can't, then I don't.

i suspect ARod won't improve much health wise by next week. But all the other Packers are healthy and that is a key. Derek Sherrod won't be in Seattle next week. Will be tough to win on the road and those drops in the Buffalo game may end up being costly but this is a really good team with a great quarterback, 100% or not. Seven points are way too many.

[GAC]

I'm glad that call got reversed and it was payback for last week but how is that not a catch? Heck, I thought it may have been a TD since Bryant wasn't touched.

That was one of those plays, IMO, that as you're looking at all the different replay angles you'er going back-n-forth .... "That's a catch! Well, looking at it from that angle it isn't!" (LOL)

The ball did hit the ground, but I thought the ground couldn't cause a fumble. I guess it comes down to what is referred to as the "Calvin Johnson" rule, which says you have to maintain possession throughout the entire process, even when the ball hits the ground.

It's a stupid rule that I think needs to be rethought.

But I'm glad the Cowboys lost. Now I gotta go into work today and listen to all the Cowboy fans whine how they got ripped off! LOL

[Sea Ray]

Yes, it is. It's too bad they can't use common sense. That was a great catch. It's too bad it was ruined.

I like the rule. It takes the subjectivity out of it which was its intention. Without the rule, officials have to determine at what point he held onto to it long enough to be considered a catch. This rule simplifies it: You have to hang onto to it throughout the entire catch

[Assembly Hall]

Personally I thought Dallas lost the game at the end of the 1st half when they were in Packer territory. The Cowboys, arguably, had the best RB in the league. So they are at 3rd and 1 and go to the shotgun formation. Romo cant handle the snap. 4th down. Set up for field goal......illegal procedure. Back another 5 yards. Longer FG attempt. FG is missed and Green Bay gets the ball in great field position and ends the half with a FG of their own. That was a 6 point swing, and the difference in the game. Why didn't Dallas give the ball to Murray on 3rd and 1? I truly believe that if the Cowboys could have put any points on the board right then, they would have won.

[Stray]

Was tough to watch Manning get bood by his home crowd yesterday. He deserves better than that.

But it's pretty obvious that the "thigh injury" wasn't just a thigh injury. He has a weak arm anyway, but he was throwing ducks the 2nd half of the season. The way the Bengals beat them was by crowding the LOS and daring Manning to throw deep. That used to be an easy way to get blown out but he just can't do it anymore.

Prolly time to ride off into the sunset unless whatever caused his probs is something that'll heal and he can get back to where he was last season. Doubt that's possible tho...

[Redhook]

This rule simplifies it: You have to hang onto to it throughout the entire catch

What is the entire catch? What if he was stumbling for 7 steps, but the ball never moved until he hit the ground? It seems like the definition of a catch changes. He clearly got both feet down, he had total control of the ball, made a 'football' move, extended toward the goal line and only lost control after he was down. I'll never agree that that wasn't a catch.

Calvin Johnson caught the ball too. I understand that the rule is in place to attempt to simplify it, but it's turning the refs and the game into garbage.

[Razor Shines]

What is the entire catch? What if he was stumbling for 7 steps, but the ball never moved until he hit the ground? It seems like the definition of a catch changes. He clearly got both feet down, he had total control of the ball, made a 'football' move, extended toward the goal line and only lost control after he was down. I'll never agree that that wasn't a catch.

Calvin Johnson caught the ball too. I understand that the rule is in place to attempt to simplify it, but it's turning the refs and the game into garbage.

I agree totally. You cannot switch the ball to one hand and stretch it for the goal line without having already caught it.

[cumberlandreds]

The NFL needs to go to the KISS method, Keep it simple stupid. Everyone in the right mind knew last weeks call in the Dallas game was wrong. It should have been overturned but couldn't because that wasn't a "reviewable" play. Now yesterday another call that was overturned that really shouldn't have been. Most people can agree that was a catch although some silly technicality was inserted into the rules a few years ago made it a non catch. Common sense should prevail in these types of cases but normally it doesn't in the NFL. These two games are a big reason I have become dis-illuiosioned with the NFL over the years. They are making things hard when they don't need to, IMO.

[IslandRed]

Right. Like how the "tuck rule" created this brief window where a quarterback is no longer attempting to throw a forward pass but yet cannot fumble. Overcomplicating things.

[Chip R]

If Bryant had gone out of bounds instead of going for the goal line, it would have been a catch.

[Chip R]

Was tough to watch Manning get bood by his home crowd yesterday. He deserves better than that.

But it's pretty obvious that the "thigh injury" wasn't just a thigh injury. He has a weak arm anyway, but he was throwing ducks the 2nd half of the season. The way the Bengals beat them was by crowding the LOS and daring Manning to throw deep. That used to be an easy way to get blown out but he just can't do it anymore.

Prolly time to ride off into the sunset unless whatever caused his probs is something that'll heal and he can get back to where he was last season. Doubt that's possible tho...

Let's not write off Peyton just yet. Earlier in the season he was at the top of his game. Wear and tear will affect you in the ways we saw with Peyton late in the season. You think a team like SF wouldn't give their left one for Peyton? I know Arizona would. Even "Late Regular Season/Playoff" Peyton is better than most of the QBs out there. He doesn't have the zip in his throws he used to and he may not be durable enough for another Super Bowl run. But with the way they protect QBs now he could play 5 more years if he wanted.

[Tom Servo]

Jets hire Todd Bowles.

[Slyder]

Jets hire Todd Bowles.

So fire one DC for another?

[Tom Servo]

And they add Chan Gailey as Offensive Coordinator, which is a really nice move. Wouldn't be shocked to see him bring CJ Spiller to NY.

[Dom Heffner]

What is the entire catch? What if he was stumbling for 7 steps, but the ball never moved until he hit the ground? It seems like the definition of a catch changes. He clearly got both feet down, he had total control of the ball, made a 'football' move, extended toward the goal line and only lost control after he was down. I'll never agree that that wasn't a catch.

Calvin Johnson caught the ball too. I understand that the rule is in place to attempt to simplify it, but it's turning the refs and the game into garbage.

I don't think we should be saying hey, if you catch the ball as you are falling that as long as two feet touch the ground it is a catch.

If you choose to go up in the air, you better hang onto it until you hit the ground. Otherwise just jump up, get two feet down and then just drop it as you fall, catch.

I thought it was a good call.

[Dom Heffner]

The NFL needs to go to the KISS method, Keep it simple stupid. Everyone in the right mind knew last weeks call in the Dallas game was wrong. It should have been overturned but couldn't because that wasn't a "reviewable" play. Now yesterday another call that was overturned that really shouldn't have been. Most people can agree that was a catch although some silly technicality was inserted into the rules a few years ago made it a non catch. Common sense should prevail in these types of cases but normally it doesn't in the NFL. These two games are a big reason I have become dis-illuiosioned with the NFL over the years. They are making things hard when they don't need to, IMO.

The referees followed the rules. Are you complaining that they did so?

[cumberlandreds]

The referees followed the rules. Are you complaining that they did so?

No. The NFL has overcomplicated the rules. I don't blame the officials. But if they had done the common sense thing on both much less would have been said about those calls.

[Tom Servo]

Jack Del Rio hired by Oakland. I hope they let him wear those silly leather jackets he busted out a few times in Jacksonville, would fit in Oakland.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/del%20rio-thumb-300x386.jpg

[Razor Shines]

I don't think we should be saying hey, if you catch the ball as you are falling that as long as two feet touch the ground it is a catch.

If you choose to go up in the air, you better hang onto it until you hit the ground. Otherwise just jump up, get two feet down and then just drop it as you fall, catch.

I thought it was a good call.
Catching the ball with two hands, moving it to one hand and stretching for the endzone is a football move. Again it is impossible to move the ball to one hand and stretch toward the endzone unless you've already caught the ball.

If they don't deem that a football move then I guess you're right and it's technically a good call, but the rule needs to be changed IMO.

[Chip R]

The referees followed the rules. Are you complaining that they did so?

The official who was right there and had the best angle on the play called it a catch. Yes, it was overturned but this official who makes a living calling plays exactly like that believed it was a catch. It wasn't an egregious missed call like the Fail Mary from 2 years ago. The call was overturned according to the letter of the rule but only after of several minutes looking at every camera angle on the play. If Bryant had possession throughout the play, even if the ball touched the ground, it should have been a catch.

[Dom Heffner]

Catching the ball with two hands, moving it to one hand and stretching for the endzone is a football move. Again it is impossible to move the ball to one hand and stretch toward the endzone unless you've already caught the ball.

If they don't deem that a football move then I guess you're right and it's technically a good call, but the rule needs to be changed IMO.

He fell. I didn 't see a stretch...

[Redhook]

He fell. I didn 't see a stretch...

Watch it again. He was clearly stretching for the goal line. The more I watch the replay, the more I'm impressed with Dez' talent and the more I'm shocked it wasn't ruled a catch.

[villain612]

Jack Del Rio hired by Oakland. I hope they let him wear those silly leather jackets he busted out a few times in Jacksonville, would fit in Oakland.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/del%20rio-thumb-300x386.jpg

Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, and Bill Belichick could all go to Oakland, and they'd still end up being the Raiders.

Haven't won more than 8 games since 2002. What a crappy organization.

[KronoRed]

These are some uninspiring hires.

[Chip R]

This isn't good news for the Colts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/indianapolis-colts-linebacker-josh-mcnary-charged-rape-225026159--nfl.html

[Kingspoint]

So, apparently 20 years is too old in the NFL now. Looks like the Tri-County area is going to have to come up with another stadium for the Bengals pretty soon then.

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

The league has told St. Louis building a new stadium will be a must to keep the Rams.

This is news to exactly no one, but it's noteworthy that the league is beginning to go on the record regarding the situation. NFL executive VP Eric Grubman also admits owner Stan Kroenke is considering a move. "I’m not going to get into specifics, other than he’s said he’s going to keep his options open and he’s looking." Grubman did insist, however, that Kroenke has "not made it clear" if he intends to move come hell or high water. Grubman says the league wants the team to remain in St. Louis. "We’re looking for a solution to the St. Louis Rams to be the St. Louis Rams, not for some other team to be the St. Louis Rams." The Rams' odyssey will be one of 2015's top off-the-field storylines.

Source: St Louis Post-Dispatch


From Wikipedia...

The Edward Jones Dome (more formally known as the Edward Jones Dome at America's Center, and previously known as The Trans World Dome (from 1995–2001) is a multi-purpose stadium in St. Louis, Missouri, and home of the St. Louis Rams of the NFL. It was constructed largely to lure an NFL team back to St. Louis, and to serve as a convention center. The Dome provides multiple stadium configurations that can seat up to 70,000 people. Seating levels include: a private luxury suite level with 120 suites, a private club seat and luxury suite level with 6,400 club seats, a concourse level (lower bowl) and terrace level (upper bowl).[7] The dome was completed in 1995. The dome is part of the America's Center convention center. The convention portion has a much bigger footprint adjoins to the west of the Dome, Cole Street to the north, Broadway to the east and Convention Plaza to the south. It is accessible off Interstate 70 eastbound at the Convention Center/Broadway/Busch Stadium exit, I-70 westbound from Illinois at the Martin Luther King Jr./Veterans Memorial Bridge, and Interstate 55 southbound at the Gateway Arch/Busch Stadium exit. The stadium is also serviced by the Convention Center Metrolink rail station.

[Slyder]

Wow some teams are working on their 2nd brand spankin new stadium... meanwhile Oakland sits there not having a NEW stadium since 1960...

[Kingspoint]

Batum needs to be sat down and told to go back to France for a couple of weeks and get his head straight. He's so French. He's an emotional wreck (and physically hurt) and his messy divorce has taken it's toll. He has no confidence. He had a small burst when his family visited at Christmas from France for two weeks. Then as soon as they left he went into the tank.

[GAC]

Watch it again. He was clearly stretching for the goal line. The more I watch the replay, the more I'm impressed with Dez' talent and the more I'm shocked it wasn't ruled a catch.

I agree with you that he was turning and attempting to stretch toward the goal line; but the rule.... which again I have a problem with ... says you must maintain control (possession) through the entire process, which includes the ball hitting the ground. And he didn't.

I look at it as karma from that game vs Detroit where the PI call was reversed without explanation at the time.

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/54a9de0cecad04a81878da8f-480/lions-cowboys-flag.jpg

[Razor Shines]

I agree with you that he was turning and attempting to stretch toward the goal line; but the rule.... which again I have a problem with ... says you must maintain control (possession) through the entire process, which includes the ball hitting the ground. And he didn't.

I look at it as karma from that game vs Detroit where the PI call was reversed without explanation at the time.

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/54a9de0cecad04a81878da8f-480/lions-cowboys-flag.jpg

That's dumb, because the Cowboys didn't do anything wrong in that game, the refs did. Shouldn't something bad have happened to the refs, not the Cowboys.

[RichRed]

That's dumb, because the Cowboys didn't do anything wrong in that game, the refs did. Shouldn't something bad have happened to the refs, not the Cowboys.

No, bad things should always happen to the Cowboys. Always.

[Tom Servo]

Russell Wilson going full Kaepernick.

[RedsBaron]

Russell Wilson going full Kaepernick.

Still a lot of time left.

[RedsBaron]

So, apparently 20 years is too old in the NFL now. Looks like the Tri-County area is going to have to come up with another stadium for the Bengals pretty soon then.



It is scandalous how much taxpayers have paid over the years to build sports stadiums for millionaire/billionaire owners. I love sports, including the NFL, but if the Cincinnati area would opt to pay for another stadium for the Bengals in the near future.....just crazy.

[Redhook]

Wow, this game just got incredibly interesting after a recovered onsides kick by Seattle.

[Tom Servo]

LMAO Wow. This is insane, such a poorly played game by Seattle and they are 1:25 away from returning to the SB.

[Redhook]

Holy football game batman. These last few minutes have been amazing.

[dabvu2498]

I fell asleep on the couch with this game at 19-7 with 10 minutes to go. Literally just woke up. I'm only posting here to verify that I'm actually alive and not dreaming.

[dabvu2498]

wth

[KronoRed]

What a collapse.

[Stray]

Best bad game ever. I don't think either team played well but that ending was insane.

[Razor Shines]

I guess that was also Karma.

[Roy Tucker]

I'm glad I'm not a Green Bay fan. If be looking for a bridge to jump off.

Colts are a little wobbly.

[RedsBaron]

I'm glad I'm not a Green Bay fan. If be looking for a bridge to jump off.

Colts are a little wobbly.
I am a Green Bay fan-fortunately no high bridges are close by.

[Tom Servo]

This is pretty much every Patriots/Colts playoff game from the early 00s with Luck now playing the role of Peyton.

[Razor Shines]

I'm not downplaying anyone, I truly don't get the logic because the team that would have just done the very thing you consider so difficult that you're hoping your team won't have to do it would scare me as much as any team no matter where the game is.

Do you get it now?

[Razor Shines]

This is pretty much every Patriots/Colts playoff game from the early 00s with Luck now playing the role of Peyton.

You mean the Colts with an absolute abomination of a defense? Yeah, I agree.

[Stray]

Patriots vs Seahawks

Yawn.

[blumj]

Do you get it now?
Yep, sorry.

[kaldaniels]

You mean the Colts with an absolute abomination of a defense? Yeah, I agree.

Yeah, but per the AP recap it was the worst game of Luck's career. The Pats did a number on the Colts across the board.