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cumberlandreds
06-06-2014, 02:43 PM
Here are the lineups. Frazier at first again. I think both times he has played 1st this season he has made errors. Lets hope for better tonight.


1. Jimmy Rollins (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) SS
2. Carlos Ruiz (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) C
3. Chase Utley (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) 2B
4. Ryan Howard (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) 1B
5. Marlon Byrd (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) RF
6. Domonic Brown (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) LF
7. John Mayberry Jr. (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) CF
8. Reid Brignac (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) 3B
9. Cole Hamels (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) P


1. Billy Hamilton (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) CF
2. Brayan Pena (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) C
3. Brandon Phillips (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) 2B
4. Todd Frazier (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) 1B
5. Jay Bruce (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) RF
6. Ryan Ludwick (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) LF
7. Zack Cozart (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) SS
8. Ramon Santiago (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) 3B
9. Johnny Cueto (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) P

RedsBrick
06-06-2014, 04:12 PM
I still don't get Frazier at 1st...but, hey, at least it's Cueto day!

jimbo
06-06-2014, 04:13 PM
Ugh, Frazer at first. I guess anybody can play first base.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 04:59 PM
As was said a few days ago in the game thread, everything was pointing to Mes sitting this game out against Hamels. Pena catches Cueto these days, it's become a regular rotation.

The chain reaction is that Pena isn't available for first base.
So Frazier plays first -- he's the remaining RHB to play first. (Price is correct not to stick a LHB in against Hamels.)
Since Frazier is at first, Santiago is at third.

Mes could have rested Wednesday against a righty and been available today against Hamels. But the rotation seems to be that Mes rests when Cueto pitches. Hope it works out.

757690
06-06-2014, 04:59 PM
Whatever benefit Cueto gets from Pena catching, he loses with Fraizer playing first and Santiago playing third.

keeganbrick
06-06-2014, 05:00 PM
Ugh...we really need this game with Cueto pitching. This lineup is really going to struggle against Hamels who has absolutely dominated the Reds. I guess there isn't much we can swap in against LHP but I hate seeing the bad defense lineup with Santiago in against Hamels. Might be a 1-0 defeat type of night.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 05:04 PM
Whatever benefit Cueto gets from Pena catching, he loses with Fraizer playing first and Santiago playing third.

I don't know, maybe Johnny has told Price that he really wants to pitch to Pena. Price obviously believes in this dedicated catcher business.

And I'm not that upset about Frazier playing first defensively, it's not optimal, but ok for a game here and there.

However, Mes sitting tonight is very unfortunate. Hamels is tough against the Reds. Mes hits lefties. Santiago and Cozart in the lineup and Mes sitting. Not ideal.

RedWilly
06-06-2014, 05:11 PM
Ugh...we really need this game with Cueto pitching. This lineup is really going to struggle against Hamels who has absolutely dominated the Reds. I guess there isn't much we can swap in against LHP but I hate seeing the bad defense lineup with Santiago in against Hamels. Might be a 1-0 defeat type of night.

That one run is obviously unearned right?

Kiko
06-06-2014, 05:33 PM
Hamels has started 8 games this year and the Phillies have lost 7 of them. Guess the opponent in the game they won?

SlimJim11
06-06-2014, 05:34 PM
However, Mes sitting tonight is very unfortunate. Hamels is tough against the Reds. Mes hits lefties. Santiago and Cozart in the lineup and Mes sitting. Not ideal.

Not a lot you can do when only 2 players on the roster have an OPS over .705 and one of those is a catcher that can't play every day.


That's almost unbelievable to type. How do we have this many wins running out a lineup with 7 or 8 guys with sub .705 OPS.

SirFelixCat
06-06-2014, 05:55 PM
I'm kinda frustrated hearing Price say he's not doing the personal catcher thing, yet he is and because of it, we have 1 of the 2 best players on the roster riding pine.

Fantastic!

KittyDuran
06-06-2014, 06:39 PM
Yeah, it IS his b-day & I had to buy him a beer! (He had the extra ticket tho... :D)http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/07/a5etynuj.jpg

Kc61
06-06-2014, 07:01 PM
Not a lot you can do when only 2 players on the roster have an OPS over .705 and one of those is a catcher that can't play every day.


That's almost unbelievable to type. How do we have this many wins running out a lineup with 7 or 8 guys with sub .705 OPS.

Just would like Mes in there against this pitcher. Lefty who usually gives the Reds fits.

Your point is well taken though.

Larkin Fan
06-06-2014, 07:21 PM
Not a lot you can do when only 2 players on the roster have an OPS over .705 and one of those is a catcher that can't play every day.


That's almost unbelievable to type. How do we have this many wins running out a lineup with 7 or 8 guys with sub .705 OPS.

Great pitching and a little bit of luck have something to do with it.

Tom Servo
06-06-2014, 07:21 PM
Not really a tough first inning for Cueto, but he did rack up over 20 pitches.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 07:28 PM
Just got here. I'll join everyone else this lineup is disappointing and for me Price is quickly becoming disappointing all together.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 07:35 PM
Just got here. I'll join everyone else this lineup is disappointing and for me Price is quickly becoming disappointing all together.The whole season has been disappointing.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 07:37 PM
The whole season has been disappointing.

I've been pretty patient because the injuries have been horrendous and the Reds have stayed close to St. Louis who I think will eventually surpass Milwaukee. That said I'm starting to lose the patience.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 07:40 PM
I think Cole Hamels could shut The Reds out pitching right handed.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 07:43 PM
I think Cole Hamels could shut The Reds out pitching right handed.

Only Reds playoff game I've ever been to in my life. I knew going in that Hamels would shut us out and end our season in a sweep. Never feel like it will be a pleasant night when facing Hamels.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 07:45 PM
The Reds took a closer in the first round? Hope he's not another Ryan Wagner...


Although Cingrani did turn out pretty well.

PepperJack
06-06-2014, 07:46 PM
The Reds took a closer in the first round? Hope he's not another Ryan Wagner...


Although Cingrani did turn out pretty well.


College closer, who they already said will start. He was a starter his whole life until this season.

PepperJack
06-06-2014, 07:48 PM
For those that don't like Frazier at 1B, he has played a ton there, and Mesoraco seemed unwilling/unsure of himself at any other spot than catcher right now. Price shouldn't play Lutz or Bernadina at 1B against Hamels.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 07:52 PM
Cozart reaches on an error.


Edit: They ruled it a hit.

tomnuetten
06-06-2014, 07:52 PM
For those that don't like Frazier at 1B, he has played a ton there, and Mesoraco seemed unwilling/unsure of himself at any other spot than catcher right now. Price shouldn't play Lutz or Bernadina at 1B against Hamels.

with today´s lineup we have decent defence at 3rd with no offence and more than questionalbe defence at first with good offence...

if he plays lutz on first, we have decent defence on first with no offence and good defence at third with good offence => I´ll take the 2nd opportunity

kbrake
06-06-2014, 07:52 PM
Our 8 hitter is bunting to setup Cueto. I'd prefer to see a LH bat against Hamels. What in the hell?

The Operator
06-06-2014, 07:53 PM
Why are we giving away outs to a pitcher who chews us up like Hamels? Especially when the pitcher is up next?

SirFelixCat
06-06-2014, 07:53 PM
Wait, sacrifice to bring up Cueto. Wtf?

The Operator
06-06-2014, 07:54 PM
Year after year this team runs bunting into the ground while sucking at it the entire team.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 07:58 PM
Great inning by The Reds. 2014 in a nutshell.

SirFelixCat
06-06-2014, 07:58 PM
Just not smart baseball. IMO, that tells me they have less than zero confidence in Santiago, so if that's the case, why the hell is he playing.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 07:58 PM
I don't think Price calls for all these bunts but he needs to talk to these guys about when and when not to bunt.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 08:01 PM
You really have to wonder.

The manager has so little confidence in his lineup that he bunts Santiago to set up the pitcher. And yet they are so wedded to this Pena catches Cueto thing that Mesoraco is sitting.

Sorry, I just find this baffling. Maybe the Reds pull this out in a low scoring game and Price looks brilliant. But the Reds can't hit a beach ball into the ocean, yet they find it necessary to sit a potent right handed hitter against Hamels.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 08:02 PM
One out, Utley hit by pitch. Howard up. No score, fourth inning, pitchers duel.

Just in case anyone wanted a recap.

Howard is now ahead in the count 2-1.

Full count on Ryan Howard. Foul.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 08:03 PM
I think Santiago was trying to bunt for a hit. I don't think Price is that off his rocker that he would have called for a sacrifice.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 08:04 PM
One out, Utley hit by pitch. Howard up. No score, fourth inning, pitchers duel.

Just in case anyone wanted a recap.

Howard is now ahead in the count 2-1.HBP shouldn't even count.

I'll never forgive him and the moron ump who let it happen for that phantom HBP in game 2 of the 2010 playoffs.



And Utley is picked off! Hit him then pick him off. I love it.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 08:04 PM
I think Santiago was trying to bunt for a hit. I don't think Price is that off his rocker that he would have called for a sacrifice.

Price might have because he figures that runs will be very scarce, get the runner to second, maybe something good happens to get a run.

Hard for me to believe Santiago did that on his own, but it's possible.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 08:06 PM
And Cueto hits Marlon Byrd. Huh.

toledodan
06-06-2014, 08:06 PM
Wait, sacrifice to bring up Cueto. Wtf?

I'm glad we have a new manager this season but after bunting to get to pitcher maybe we another manager change.that was pathetic.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 08:07 PM
Now two Phils on, another HBP after a walk to Howard.

So two HBP this inning, but Utley got picked off.

Two outs. Two on. No score. Up is Brown. Base hit. Two runs score.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 08:07 PM
2-0 Phillies


Game over with this offense.

Tom Servo
06-06-2014, 08:07 PM
Welp, Johnny has only himself to blame for this one.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 08:08 PM
Now 3-0. Mayberry with a hit.

This will be tough to win.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 08:08 PM
And now it's 3-0

Unbelievable.

Tom Servo
06-06-2014, 08:08 PM
Cozart, you jamoke.

Chuckie
06-06-2014, 08:08 PM
The Bad News Reds strike again. How does Cozart not keep that in the infield? Awful.

villain612
06-06-2014, 08:09 PM
Reds haven't come back from 3 runs all year.

Without Mesoraco in the lineup I highly doubt it tonight.

I'd love to be proven wrong.

SirFelixCat
06-06-2014, 08:09 PM
This game is officially out of reach.


Sure, prove me wrong, but I'm not feeling it. Frees up my evening now.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 08:09 PM
Think Cueto's pressing knowing how bad this offense is, or just a random lapse of concentration?

Kc61
06-06-2014, 08:09 PM
Inning over. Brantley on TV suggests that Cueto lost concentration after he got the pick off. Very possible, but who knows.

Reds now down 3.

JMO
06-06-2014, 08:10 PM
This team just keeps finding new ways to lose. Ballgame. Down 3 with this lineup, nope.

klw
06-06-2014, 08:11 PM
I am always surprised when Hamels does not no hit the Reds. I frankly am shocked he does not have multiple no-hitters against them.

tomnuetten
06-06-2014, 08:11 PM
Cozart should keep that ball in the infield... but this inning is on cueto...

villain612
06-06-2014, 08:12 PM
I am glad I stopped to get some bourbon on the way home.

Time to crack that open.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 08:13 PM
Pena strikes out.

He has joined the club on the Reds devoted to walking never.

If you look at the Reds' walk rates over the last few weeks, you won't believe them. Worst in baseball over the last few weeks.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 08:14 PM
BP singles with one out. Frazier up.

Redsfansince72
06-06-2014, 08:14 PM
this lineup is a slap to Cueto... 3 easy outs at the end of the lineup and no Mez... so Cueto has to go into the game thinking shutout.. sad.. now down 3-0 against a pitcher the Reds never beat

The Operator
06-06-2014, 08:14 PM
Pena strikes out.

He has joined the club on the Reds devoted to walking never.

If you look at the Reds' walk rates over the last few weeks, you won't believe them. Worst in baseball over the last few weeks.Nothing surprises me any more with this offense.

They're god awful.

JMO
06-06-2014, 08:14 PM
I agree, I looked. Unreal. This team is just not fun to watch. Same story every night. Free swinging hackers with no plate discipline or pitch recognition. I don't even get mad anymore, its predictable.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 08:17 PM
Frazier hits into a fielder's choice. 2 outs

tomnuetten
06-06-2014, 08:18 PM
I think we will see a "Who teached Phillips to slide?" thread at the old red quard...

The Operator
06-06-2014, 08:18 PM
Bruce's mechanics at the plate just look awful right now.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 08:20 PM
I am glad I stopped to get some bourbon on the way home.

Time to crack that open.

Yep, Hamels on the mound grabbed a bottle of Jameson before I got home.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 08:21 PM
Bruce beats the shift! Runners on 1st on 3rd. 2 outs.

- - - Updated - - -

Sure would be nice to have Mez coming up right now.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 08:23 PM
So glad we benched Ludwick.

toledodan
06-06-2014, 08:23 PM
Bruce beats the shift! Runners on 1st on 3rd. 2 outs.

It's just a tease. Expectations, dissapointment, repeat.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 08:23 PM
Reds out, 3-0.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 08:27 PM
4-0 on a Rollins home run.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 08:27 PM
4-0 now


Game over over over over.

Redsfansince72
06-06-2014, 08:27 PM
well Philly need the right medicine to get back on track, play the weak hitting REDS!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

villain612
06-06-2014, 08:27 PM
LOL

toledodan
06-06-2014, 08:27 PM
If wasn't over before, it's now.

Chuckie
06-06-2014, 08:27 PM
We should just play for a high draft pick the rest of the way. This team is going nowhere. How frustrating.

villain612
06-06-2014, 08:30 PM
We should just play for a high draft pick the rest of the way. This team is going nowhere. How frustrating.

I've been trying to be reasonable in my hope this year that they could put something together down the stretch after they got healthy and at least contend for a wild card.

That hope is on life support currently.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 08:30 PM
Might as well get Cueto out of there.

No reason to have him keep throwing pitches in this disaster of a game.

JMO
06-06-2014, 08:30 PM
The Reds need to be proactive and try and unload some players to get young cost controlled prospects in return. Explore options. We literally have no offense and no help coming.

DocRed
06-06-2014, 08:31 PM
Time to face reality....2015.

Redsfansince72
06-06-2014, 08:31 PM
i can hope they get shut out all 3 games against the Phills so some heads roll.. i am one fan tired of the excuses.. time to either fire Walt or get rid of some dead wood that refuse to make adjustments.. Bruce is one.. that refuses to adjust..

Redsfansince72
06-06-2014, 08:32 PM
im waiting for the Walt speech "I love this team and i know soon they will hit when it gets hot outside blah blah excusesssss"

villain612
06-06-2014, 08:33 PM
This entire friggin' season:


http://24.media.tumblr.com/b0af81752d45df3b64671674ae83817c/tumblr_mpos8laaqQ1rknrf9o1_500.gif

Redsfansince72
06-06-2014, 08:34 PM
get him out of there he looks like what the heck.. i just gave up 4 runs and i know this lousy offense will do nothing look

dubc47834
06-06-2014, 08:34 PM
Uh oh...posters turning on Price a little more than a third of the way thru his rookie season. Could be a looooong year on Redszone...lol.

Redsfansince72
06-06-2014, 08:37 PM
hello COWBOY are you blind, you know Cueto has that on his mind.. this team refuses to change and cant hit and he knows he just gave up 4 runs and has to have a shut out mentality to hope to win...

joshua
06-06-2014, 08:38 PM
Cueto is so damn good, it goes without saying he gets a pass here.

But a 4-0 game in the 5th at home shouldn't feel this out of reach for a major league team that's been to the playoffs three of the last four years.

How can you look at this roster last October and think "I know we lost Choo, but a healthy Ryan Ludwick is all we need for this team right back in the chase for the NL Central."

And if this off season I hear anything like "Well, having the majority of the roster healthy will get us right back where we need to be." I swear to God I will throw something dangerous at something. We either need to make a few moves to improve the offense and compete while this rotation is together, or trade some pieces for some high level prospects and reload for 2016 and beyond. Sitting still is just not an option, and it's a shame that it's exactly what I expect will happen.

Redsfansince72
06-06-2014, 08:38 PM
well i have only 3 games left to see.. 2 free ones from work and one for my daughter, then i wont waste buying any tickets this summer because the team lacks energy, focus and zero desire to win

757690
06-06-2014, 08:42 PM
I've been trying to be reasonable in my hope this year that they could put something together down the stretch after they got healthy and at least contend for a wild card.

That hope is on life support currently.

Giants are only team with a .600 winning percentage in the NL. Brewers are at .590. Everyone else is at .534 or lower. Pretty much everyone except the Cubs and DBacks are in contention right now.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 08:43 PM
Cueto is so damn good, it goes without saying he gets a pass here.

But a 4-0 game in the 5th at home shouldn't feel this out of reach for a major league team that's been to the playoffs three of the last four years.

How can you look at this roster last October and think "I know we lost Choo, but a healthy Ryan Ludwick is all we need for this team right back in the chase for the NL Central."

And if this off season I hear anything like "Well, having the majority of the roster healthy will get us right back where we need to be." I swear to God I will throw something dangerous at something. We either need to make a few moves to improve the offense and compete while this rotation is together, or trade some pieces for some high level prospects and reload for 2016 and beyond. Sitting still is just not an option, and it's a shame that it's exactly what I expect will happen."We like what we have."

kbrake
06-06-2014, 08:44 PM
Uh oh...posters turning on Price a little more than a third of the way thru his rookie season. Could be a looooong year on Redszone...lol.

People wanted change. He has brought very little of it. And I don't mean in terms of results I mean in terms of things like personal catchers.

757690
06-06-2014, 08:45 PM
People wanted change. He has brought very little of it. And I don't mean in terms of results I mean in terms of things like personal catchers.

He was the pitching coach for the last few years, and close to the GM. No one should have expected much of a change.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 08:46 PM
i can hope they get shut out all 3 games against the Phills so some heads roll.. i am one fan tired of the excuses.. time to either fire Walt or get rid of some dead wood that refuse to make adjustments.. Bruce is one.. that refuses to adjust..

Bruce is as much of a problem with this team moving forward as I am. He will be just fine and put up yet another under appreciated season for Reds fans.

And Cueto isn't getting lit because the offense. Cueto got lit because he pitched like crap. It happens even to Cueto. I'm just glad Price didn't let Rocco catch him or we could be down 5-0.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 08:47 PM
He was the pitching coach for the last few years, and close to the GM. No one should have expected much of a change.

I thought he would lean on numbers much more. And by numbers I don't mean benching the struggling LF then starting him because he was good in 5 AB's against the SP that day. The team won 90 games in 3 of 4 seasons, a ton of change wasn't needed. Little bit more than what we have got was needed though.

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 08:49 PM
Bruce is as much of a problem with this team moving forward as I am. He will be just fine and put up yet another under appreciated season for Reds fans.

And Cueto isn't getting lit because the offense. Cueto got lit because he pitched like crap. It happens even to Cueto. I'm just glad Price didn't let Rocco catch him or we could be down 5-0.

Bruce is terrible. He hasn't gotten any better in the now 6 years he's been here. He has as many craptactular AB's as anyone.

dubc47834
06-06-2014, 08:54 PM
People wanted change. He has brought very little of it. And I don't mean in terms of results I mean in terms of things like personal catchers.

Dusty's gone, and I'm cool with that. After everything that happened at the end of the season...it was time. But I heard many posters complaining that Dusty was the only manager that did this and did that. Guess what fellas...you got a Dusty clone almost. Looking at this team, it has less life than at the end of last season. We got rid of Dusty for many reasons, but one of which was leadership issues. I just don't get why you would hire a guy from inside that locker room if that was an issue. I get that it was hire Price or probably lose him. I just wish that we got someone with more experience. I try to be a positive poster on here, some say to a fault, but it gets harder and harder to turn on FSN Ohio everynite the further this season goes along. I really hope that once we get Votto and Latos back things change for the better. I love the Reds and it sucks watching this team play lifeless baseball!!!

kbrake
06-06-2014, 08:58 PM
Bruce is terrible He hasn't gotten any better in the now 6 years he's been here. He has as many craptactular AB's as anyone.

.800+ OPS every single year since 2010. Very good/GG defense in RF. Extremely reasonable contract. 4.9 WAR last season.

Yeah he is terrible. Awesome post bro.

villain612
06-06-2014, 09:00 PM
.800+ OPS every single year since 2010. Very good/GG defense in RF. Extremely reasonable contract. 4.9 WAR last season.

Yeah he is terrible. Awesome post bro.

Don't feed the trolls.

dubc47834
06-06-2014, 09:00 PM
Lecure....lol

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 09:01 PM
.800+ OPS every single year since 2010. Very good/GG defense in RF. Extremely reasonable contract. 4.9 WAR last season.

Yeah he is terrible. Awesome post bro.

Yay!

When his team needs him, where is he? He's on the interstate. Don't be a mark. Bruce is atrocious.

But yeah, I'm sure he'll kill it in September when this team is 15 games out.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 09:01 PM
The Reds will get more interesting if Votto returns healthy. And Latos is always fun to watch, he'll be back soon.

But this season didn't have much chance when the front office sat still after losing Choo. The offense wasn't that great with Choo, it was too dependent on three guys, but without Choo some positive offensive additions were clearly necessary.

I viewed the Reds' quotes on this subject as contending that two plus two equals five. The need was patently obvious and now they pay the price.

If they continue to deny the reality, the team will continue to suffer. Yes, sometimes magic happens but mostly two and two makes four.

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 09:02 PM
Don't feed the trolls.

Still angry.

It's a message board. Why do you let words on a screen from anonymous people bother you so much?

kbrake
06-06-2014, 09:02 PM
Dusty's gone, and I'm cool with that. After everything that happened at the end of the season...it was time. But I heard many posters complaining that Dusty was the only manager that did this and did that. Guess what fellas...you got a Dusty clone almost. Looking at this team, it has less life than at the end of last season. We got rid of Dusty for many reasons, but one of which was leadership issues. I just don't get why you would hire a guy from inside that locker room if that was an issue. I get that it was hire Price or probably lose him. I just wish that we got someone with more experience. I try to be a positive poster on here, some say to a fault, but it gets harder and harder to turn on FSN Ohio everynite the further this season goes along. I really hope that once we get Votto and Latos back things change for the better. I love the Reds and it sucks watching this team play lifeless baseball!!!

I agree with you on the overall feel of your post. I love them too and they are difficult to watch right now. I fully disagree on the team being more lifeless than the end of last season. They can't hit which makes them look lifeless but I don't think it is a lack of effort I think it is a lack of offense. Also I don't think they got rid of Dusty because of a lack of leadership, I think they got rid of Dusty because he didn't seem to have the fire anymore. I personally think after the stroke in September 2012 Dusty learned that there are much more important things to life than baseball and I completely agree with him. That being said sometimes I think you need a manager who forgets that. Dusty was very good at a lot of things but I don't think he was the right guy to take this team deep into October and the FO hoped Price would be. So far, unfortunately they and I look completely wrong.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 09:02 PM
Yay!

When his team needs him, where is he? He's on the interstate. Don't be a mark. Bruce is atrocious.

But yeah, I'm sure he'll kill it in September when this team is 15 games out.Who was it again that hit a walkoff homer to put The Reds in the playoffs in 2010?

Can't remember.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 09:04 PM
Still angry.

It's a message board. Why do you let words on a screen from anonymous people bother you so much?

It is a message board and words shouldn't anger us but just make a little effort. If you are a serious fan, serious enough to be posting on RedsZone, you can't possibly think Jay Bruce is a "terrible" baseball player. I'm sorry my post had some attitude been a long rough day.

dubc47834
06-06-2014, 09:04 PM
Yay!

When his team needs him, where is he? He's on the interstate. Don't be a mark. Bruce is atrocious.

But yeah, I'm sure he'll kill it in September when this team is 15 games out.

This post brought to Redszone from K-Mart...via the blue light special!!!

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 09:04 PM
Who was it again that hit a walkoff homer to put The Reds in the playoffs in 2010?

Can't remember.

Good one.

Let's see what Joe Oliver is up to. He hit a game winner in the World Series off the best closer in baseball after all...

PepperJack
06-06-2014, 09:05 PM
I don't have a problem with Mesoraco not catching Cueto right now, he is at least catching all four of the others in a row, It has not been a 3-2 split like before. But I do wish Mesoraco seemed more willing to try LF though, because I hate sitting his bat.

Ludwick has been sharing a bit more time, which is what Price said, he didn't say it was a full benching, just more of a split. I don't know that Heisey would have been better tonight.

villain612
06-06-2014, 09:05 PM
It is a message board and words shouldn't anger us but just make a little effort. If you are a serious fan, serious enough to be posting on RedsZone, you can't possibly think Jay Bruce is a "terrible" baseball player. I'm sorry my post had some attitude been a long rough day.

He was talking to me.

Trying to goad me into an emotional response everytime I reference a post of his.

He's my biggest fan.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 09:06 PM
This post brought to Redszone from K-Mart...via the blue light special!!!

When I was in high school I used to collect shopping carts at a K-Mart please don't bring down my hard work hahaha.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 09:07 PM
Good one.

Let's see what Joe Oliver is up to. He hit a game winner in the World Series off the best closer in baseball after all...You asked "Where is he when his team needs him?"

I answered. "Good one" indeed.

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 09:07 PM
It is a message board and words shouldn't anger us but just make a little effort. If you are a serious fan, serious enough to be posting on RedsZone, you can't possibly think Jay Bruce is a "terrible" baseball player. I'm sorry my post had some attitude been a long rough day.

We all are angry. This team stinks.

Absolving Bruce of any blame for this team's current sate though is crazy. He's been awful. It's ok to say it. He doesn't read this, and if he does, he'd probably agree.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 09:07 PM
He was talking to me.

Trying to goad me into an emotional response everytime I reference a post of his.

He's my biggest fan.

I was trying to be nice and walk it back a bit but then he just keeps on trolling. I'll be so happy when this board goes back to the gated community.

DocRed
06-06-2014, 09:08 PM
So what overpaid player do we trade for prospects? ;)

The Operator
06-06-2014, 09:09 PM
We all are angry. This team stinks.

Absolving Bruce of any blame for this team's current sate though is crazy. He's been awful. It's ok to say it. He doesn't read this, and if he does, he'd probably agree.He's obviously had a terrible season.

But to say he's a terrible baseball player overall is just asinine, and you're only trolling for a reaction out of people. It's your MO in 90% of your posts. Say something controversial, make fun of the people who reply. Repeat.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 09:09 PM
We all are angry. This team stinks.

Absolving Bruce of any blame for this team's current sate though is crazy. He's been awful. It's ok to say it. He doesn't read this, and if he does, he'd probably agree.

Of course he is a part of it but you really think he'll end the season like this? Or is it much more likely that soon enough he'll go on one of his month long tears? I think it is silly to say a player with his history is "terrible".

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 09:09 PM
Another quality AB by Bruce.

He's incredible.

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 09:12 PM
Of course he is a part of it but you really think he'll end the season like this? Or is it much more likely that soon enough he'll go on one of his month long tears? I think it is silly to say a player with his history is "terrible".

Like I said, he'll probably kill it in September when this team is 15 games out and facing AAA call-ups.

Bruce has K'd in nearly 1/3rd of his plate appearances this year while hitting 3 lousy stinking HR's.

That

Is

Atrocious

Larkin Fan
06-06-2014, 09:13 PM
He was talking to me.

Trying to goad me into an emotional response everytime I reference a post of his.

He's my biggest fan.


A master troll, he is.

dubc47834
06-06-2014, 09:13 PM
Logan with a solid nite on the mound!!!

villain612
06-06-2014, 09:14 PM
I was trying to be nice and walk it back a bit but then he just keeps on trolling. I'll be so happy when this board goes back to the gated community.

Your intentions were good and from all the posts I've read of yours, you really do add some good, valuable commentary to Redszone and improve the experience here.

Other people...eh, not so much.

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 09:14 PM
You asked "Where is he when his team needs him?"

I answered. "Good one" indeed.

And that 2010 HR is doing what for them in 2014?

Suit up Hatcher...wait, he's already suited up. He's a World Series monster.

villain612
06-06-2014, 09:15 PM
Pirates are beating the Brewers.

#positivity

dubc47834
06-06-2014, 09:16 PM
And that 2010 HR is doing what for them in 2014?

Suit up Hatcher...wait, he's already suited up. He's a World Series monster.

Can someone suspend this dudes account already!!!

villain612
06-06-2014, 09:18 PM
Both Ondrusek and Hoover have been a lot better recently.

I can't believe I just typed that.

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 09:18 PM
Can someone suspend this dudes account already!!!

"Don't talk about how bad our players are. Except Cozart, Soto, and Bernadina. I hate reality."

Kc61
06-06-2014, 09:19 PM
Bruce will be ok. He's pressing. When Votto is back and assuming the Reds play Frazier and Mesoraco most nights, the offense will get better and Bruce will improve.

IMO the offense is still short a couple of hitters, but it won't be this bad if they use Votto, Bruce, Frazier and Mes most nights.

dubc47834
06-06-2014, 09:20 PM
"Don't talk about how bad our players are. Except Cozart, Soto, and Bernadina. I hate reality."

You can talk negatively about players, that's fine. You're overboard with it. Read the rules at the bottom of the page...stop trolling

WrongVerb
06-06-2014, 09:20 PM
Both Ondrusek and Hoover have been a lot better recently.

I can't believe I just typed that.

They're back in roles better suited to their ability.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 09:21 PM
"Don't talk about how bad our players are. Except Cozart, Soto, and Bernadina. I hate reality."Why are you even here?

Every time you participate in a Game Thread you do nothing but complain and start fights with everyone you interact with.

I hear they have some nice forums over on espn.com.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 09:21 PM
Pirates are beating the Brewers.

#positivity

So what you actually mean is Jay Bruce is doing nothing to help us bring the Pirates back behind us.

#DenyingReality

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 09:22 PM
Seriously...you guys have spent the majority of this season complaining constantly about the state of this offense...

And yet when someone blames (rightfully) the guy who's supposedly the 2nd best player on this team, the main power threat, for hitting .200 with 3 HR's and 50 K's in 167 PA's it's "trolling"

What planet do you live on?

Kc61
06-06-2014, 09:23 PM
Reds building a run. Man on third, one out. Santiago up. Mesoraco on deck to pinch hit.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 09:24 PM
LOL

dubc47834
06-06-2014, 09:24 PM
Seriously...you guys have spent the majority of this season complaining constantly about the state of this offense...

And yet when someone blames (rightfully) the guy who's supposedly the 2nd best player on this team, the main power threat, for hitting .200 with 3 HR's and 50 K's in 167 PA's it's "trolling"

On planet Redszone...read then rules at the bottom of the page. It says no excessive player criticism. I think you are excessive!!?
What planet do you live on?

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 09:24 PM
You can talk negatively about players, that's fine. You're overboard with it. Read the rules at the bottom of the page...stop trolling

How is saying Bruce stinks going "overboard"

Look at his current numbers. Watch him take AB's.

He stinks. If he didn't stink, maybe this offense would be bad as opposed to historically bad.

toledodan
06-06-2014, 09:24 PM
Lol ludwick

Chuckie
06-06-2014, 09:25 PM
Ludwick has to score there. he got a terrible jump. Another case of the Reds looking like a JV team.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 09:25 PM
Short wild pitch or passed ball, Ludwick thrown out at home.

Price arguing, but I though he was out.

This is a low point, among others.

dabvu2498
06-06-2014, 09:25 PM
Seriously...you guys have spent the majority of this season complaining constantly about the state of this offense...

And yet when someone blames (rightfully) the guy who's supposedly the 2nd best player on this team, the main power threat, for hitting .200 with 3 HR's and 50 K's in 167 PA's it's "trolling"

What planet do you live on?

Actually, with the nature of your posts, it's excessive player criticism... Something also against board rules.

Larkin Fan
06-06-2014, 09:25 PM
Bad base running screws the Reds again.

villain612
06-06-2014, 09:25 PM
Epic Fail Ludwick

DocRed
06-06-2014, 09:25 PM
LOL......

Chuckie
06-06-2014, 09:25 PM
At least Ramon Santiago is getting these key ABs for when he'll be needed for the pennant race.

#wut?

DocRed
06-06-2014, 09:26 PM
This team has 3 of the slowest players in the MLB...

The Operator
06-06-2014, 09:26 PM
Seriously...you guys have spent the majority of this season complaining constantly about the state of this offense...

And yet when someone blames (rightfully) the guy who's supposedly the 2nd best player on this team, the main power threat, for hitting .200 with 3 HR's and 50 K's in 167 PA's it's "trolling"

What planet do you live on?Nobody here will deny he's having an awful season.


You came in and said "He's a terrible player and he's done nothing in 6 seasons" which is complete and utter rubbish.


We get it. You don't like him.

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 09:26 PM
What you think and what is reality are about 2 dozen light years apart judging by your thoughts the last 5 minutes.

dubc47834
06-06-2014, 09:27 PM
How is saying Bruce stinks going "overboard"

Look at his current numbers. Watch him take AB's.

He stinks. If he didn't stink, maybe this offense would be bad as opposed to historically bad.

Because it's almost every post tonite! Peace man, Im done with you!!!

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 09:28 PM
Nobody here will deny he's having an awful season.


You came in and said "He's a terrible player and he's done nothing in 6 seasons" which is complete and utter rubbish.



We get it. You don't like him.

No, I said he hasn't gotten any better, and he hasn't.

He's been basically the same player for 4 years during a period where he should be improving. Instead, he's regressing.

And I like Bruce, but I'm also not deaf, dumb, and blind.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 09:28 PM
How is saying Bruce stinks going "overboard"

Look at his current numbers. Watch him take AB's.

He stinks. If he didn't stink, maybe this offense would be bad as opposed to historically bad.

I said he was not someone to worry about moving forward. You replied he is "terrible". You didn't say he is "terrible" right now in this moment. And lets face it, Jay Bruce was having a down April which isn't new. However, he was getting on base waaaaaaay more than normal. I think most here thought he was on the verge of absolutely going off. Then he tore his meniscus. Some here said "see you after the All Star break" but Jay was back in 2 weeks. He came back without a rehab because I think he knew this team needed him. He tried to be a team player. He has struggled since. I'm not going to kill him for it. His track record buys him some patience in my book.

Redsfansince72
06-06-2014, 09:31 PM
did he say 15 games 120 k's and 15 walks??? thats Ridiculous!!!!! and no accountability, no changes and all we here are excuses for this offense.. Its the players.. they have a comfort level just like Dusty.. i dont see how this team can win anything going forward.. they need to start trading off players and rebuild.. im done with the excuses of injuries.. you dont hear the Cardinals whine.. they step it up when they had many injuries last year.. they went to the World Series.. sadly i feel our window of opportunity is going down the toilet..

villain612
06-06-2014, 09:33 PM
7289

The Operator
06-06-2014, 09:34 PM
No, I said he hasn't gotten any better, and he hasn't.

He's been basically the same player for 4 years during a period where he should be improving. Instead, he's regressing.

And I like Bruce, but I'm also not deaf, dumb, and blind.He's been extremely valuable from 2010 - 2013. "Getting better" or not, he's still been worth every bit of his contract.

But since he isn't the reincarnation of Babe Ruth he's terrible.

And if you "like" Bruce I'd hate to see what you say about a player you don't like. Holy crap.

kbrake
06-06-2014, 09:36 PM
7289

The whiskey is making me I literally can't help myself hahaha

Kc61
06-06-2014, 09:36 PM
The Reds have had some bad games this year.

But tonight they look like a defeated team. They can do nothing right. They can't hit at all. But worse, they look distracted and defeated.

Maybe they get back in this game, but either way, if I'm the owner, I start making changes tomorrow. This is not a product any Reds supporter is happy to watch.

Redsfansince72
06-06-2014, 09:36 PM
its sad the only thing Reds fans can cheer for is a darn pizza because the team they want to cheer on to victories for cant even win..

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 09:39 PM
I said he was not someone to worry about moving forward. You replied he is "terrible". You didn't say he is "terrible" right now in this moment. And lets face it, Jay Bruce was having a down April which isn't new. However, he was getting on base waaaaaaay more than normal. I think most here thought he was on the verge of absolutely going off. Then he tore his meniscus. Some here said "see you after the All Star break" but Jay was back in 2 weeks. He came back without a rehab because I think he knew this team needed him. He tried to be a team player. He has struggled since. I'm not going to kill him for it. His track record buys him some patience in my book.

This team doesn't have time to be patient. They need its stars to perform like stars....consistently.

I've seen this movie far too often with Bruce. He has a hall of fame month or 2 every year, and he looks like he should be in AA the other 4. It's inexcusable for a guy with his talent level and his MLB experience. He should be getting better at age 27, not staying the same or, as is the case this season, worse.

dubc47834
06-06-2014, 09:40 PM
Well guys, this is depressing. I'm out...like a fat kid in dodgeball....goodnite!!!

villain612
06-06-2014, 09:42 PM
The Reds have had some bad games this year.

But tonight they look like a defeated team. They can do nothing right. They can't hit at all. But worse, they look distracted and defeated.

Maybe they get back in this game, but either way, if I'm the owner, I start making changes tomorrow. This is not a product any Reds supporter is happy to watch.

Castellini can't be in a good state of mind right now.

Fired Dusty after last year's collapse (and other playoff collapses) and they are eating part of his contract still.

The Reds are spending a lot more dollars annually than their market size is.

This solid pitching staff is about to be purged after next season.

Attendance is down this year.

Just not a good year at all.

Tracy Jones
06-06-2014, 09:48 PM
"You're paid to put results on the board and to win. If you can't do that, then we have a problem" - Jeff Brantley

Amen.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 09:48 PM
Castellini can't be in a good state of mind right now.

Fired Dusty after last year's collapse (and other playoff collapses) and they are eating part of his contract still.

The Reds are spending a lot more dollars annually than their market size is.

This solid pitching staff is about to be purged after next season.

Attendance is down this year.

Just not a good year at all.

Well, Bob is in a position to change things. He accepted an approach of sitting still with this personnel this past off-season. If he continues to accept that approach, well, you know.

toledodan
06-06-2014, 09:49 PM
Well, Bob is in a position to change things. He accepted an approach of sitting still with this personnel this past off-season. If he continues to accept that approach, well, you know.

This in a nutshell

villain612
06-06-2014, 09:51 PM
Well, Bob is in a position to change things. He accepted an approach of sitting still with this personnel this past off-season. If he continues to accept that approach, well, you know.

I'm honestly not sure if there's a quick answer that can "be done tomorrow" though.

Are we talking about firing Walt?

I definitely agree that we need some changes on the field though, obviously.

As far as Walt goes, he did assemble a team that went to the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 years. I don't really fault GM's for playoff failures.

Redsfansince72
06-06-2014, 09:53 PM
perfect pitch to swing at right down the middle of the plate. taken for strike 3!!! Man what is wrong with this teams Focus????

Redsfansince72
06-06-2014, 09:54 PM
I'm honestly not sure if there's a quick answer that can "be done tomorrow" though.

Are we talking about firing Walt?

I definitely agree that we need some changes on the field though, obviously.

As far as Walt goes, he did assemble a team that went to the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 years. I don't really fault GM's for playoff failures.


I fault Walt for Refusing to Claim Marlon Byrd when he could have helped the team more than a injured Ludwick!!! THAT was a HUGE blunder by this GM

villain612
06-06-2014, 09:56 PM
The whiskey is making me I literally can't help myself hahaha

Starting to feel the effects myself.

The 2014 Reds season has been bad for my liver.

Marc D
06-06-2014, 09:59 PM
I'm honestly not sure if there's a quick answer that can "be done tomorrow" though.

Are we talking about firing Walt?

I definitely agree that we need some changes on the field though, obviously.

As far as Walt goes, he did assemble a team that went to the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 years. I don't really fault GM's for playoff failures.

Walt inherited a group that had its window opening. He made a very nice move on Latos. Other than that he has presided over the closing of said window with nothing to show for it.

Fired the manger last year, GM did nothing all winter and the team is worse.

GM's turn

5TimeWSChamps
06-06-2014, 10:01 PM
Walt inherited a group that had its window opening. He made a very nice move on Latos. Other than that he has presided over the closing of said window with nothing to show for it.

Fired the manger last year, GM did nothing all winter and the team is worse.

GM's turn

Be careful about questioning Walt. Get ready for a barrage of BILL BAVASI OMGZ! posts

toledodan
06-06-2014, 10:02 PM
After we lose tonight we're only 2.5 games ahead of the cubs. Let that sink in a bit.

Todd Gack
06-06-2014, 10:04 PM
After we lose tonight we're only 2.5 games ahead of the cubs. Let that sink in a bit.

And the Cubs future looks bright too.

Roy Tucker
06-06-2014, 10:08 PM
Put the Reds aside for a day or two. The weather is gorgeous. Go find an outside table, a pretty girl, and a cold beer. You'll feel better.

villain612
06-06-2014, 10:11 PM
Walt inherited a group that had its window opening. He made a very nice move on Latos. Other than that he has presided over the closing of said window with nothing to show for it.

Fired the manger last year, GM did nothing all winter and the team is worse.

GM's turn

Walt has been far from perfect but he's done more than that.

Picking up Ludwick in 2012 was an excellent move - posted an .877 OPS that year.
Picking up Choo was an excellent move for 2013 - even if it was a one year deal, he made a move to try to win while his team was in that window.
Jay Bruce is signed to a very team friendly deal through 2016.
etc

Not gonna go into a big Walt debate here. The whiskey is taking hold.

But we'll see what they're made of coming soon if they fall out of contention (which they might be there shortly).
I'd surmise a starting pitcher will be on the trading block At this point, I hope so.

After the inactivity of the winter, and if the Reds fall out of contention this year and no moves are made, I'd be much more open to a "the GM is the problem" mindset.

Kc61
06-06-2014, 10:13 PM
I'm honestly not sure if there's a quick answer that can "be done tomorrow" though.

Are we talking about firing Walt?

I definitely agree that we need some changes on the field though, obviously.

As far as Walt goes, he did assemble a team that went to the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 years. I don't really fault GM's for playoff failures.

I agree there is no immediate fix. And not knowing the people, I can't advocate any firings. I just don't know enough about what has gone on internally there.

But Bob has to convey to his fans that this is unacceptable and that ownership is not just standing by saying we like our team.

He can only do that by some kind of action.

The Operator
06-06-2014, 10:13 PM
The Reds could go 156-6 and those six losses would all be to The Phillies.

Cannot play that team.

toledodan
06-06-2014, 10:13 PM
Never take Todd Frazier off first to play Santiago lol

villain612
06-06-2014, 10:14 PM
I thought getting shut out by Collmenter was the low point of the season.

This might top that though.

CrackerJack
06-06-2014, 10:15 PM
I'm honestly not sure if there's a quick answer that can "be done tomorrow" though.

Are we talking about firing Walt?

I definitely agree that we need some changes on the field though, obviously.

As far as Walt goes, he did assemble a team that went to the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 years. I don't really fault GM's for playoff failures.

The lineup he's put together here has always been inferior to every other post season team, every time they've made it. He's never done anything about it. This is the same silly lineup that we've been watching get dominated in the post season for the last 5 years. Add-in a few early injuries and they are who they really are - an incomplete, unbalanced team relying way too heavily on its starting pitching in a small ballpark.

DocRed
06-06-2014, 10:15 PM
Time to let a position player pitch....

joshua
06-06-2014, 10:16 PM
I thought getting shut out by Collmenter was the low point of the season.

This might top that though.

Yeah, this is bad. Really bad. Not one redeeming thing has happened this entire game. The whole team looks defeated.

And now LeCure gives up yet another run.

paulrichjr
06-06-2014, 10:19 PM
At least you guys didn't pay for 3 tickets right beside the Reds dugout and drove 7 hours to sit through it....I did.

CarolinaRedleg
06-06-2014, 10:22 PM
Thinking Hamels might be our new Oswalt. Fortunately we only draw him 2x a year tops.

klw
06-06-2014, 10:23 PM
On the bright side, unless the Reds score 7 in the ninth, this won't be a one run loss.

villain612
06-06-2014, 10:24 PM
The lineup he's put together here has always been inferior to every other post season team, every time they've made it. He's never done anything about it. This is the same silly lineup that we've been watching get dominated in the post season for the last 5 years. Add-in a few early injuries and they are who they really are - an incomplete, unbalanced team relying way too heavily on its starting pitching in a small ballpark.

I agree that they're incomplete but to say they've been dominated everytime is disingenuous. They were potentially a Johnny Cueto injury and Scott Rolen error from sweeping the Giants and advancing to the NLCS in 2012. And are we really gonna blame Walt for losing a one game playoff the following year? Without him acquiring Choo and Latos, its debatable that the Reds even win 90 games in 2013 and make the playoffs.

paulrichjr
06-06-2014, 10:24 PM
Most entertainment tonight....Latos just took about 4 pieces of chewed gum out of his mouth and threw it on the field. I'm not sure why but that explains how boring my night has been.

Tony Cloninger
06-06-2014, 10:27 PM
At least you guys didn't pay for 3 tickets right beside the Reds dugout and drove 7 hours to sit through it....I did.

Did you give the team hell about their lack of winning attitude!? ;)

I wish they would interview a few fans during this game.........and have them say.... I am not coming back after watching this type of product.

BluegrassRedleg
06-06-2014, 10:27 PM
Walt has sat on his hands at every opportunity when the Reds needed him most, this being the latest.

He's going to be remembered as the guy who let the window shut.

villain612
06-06-2014, 10:28 PM
Thanks Thom for reminding us that the Reds haven't scored since the first inning in yesterday's game.

paulrichjr
06-06-2014, 10:29 PM
Did you give the team hell about their lack of winning attitude!? ;)

I wish they would interview a few fans during this game.........and have them say.... I am not coming back after watching this type of product.

No because I am coming back tomorrow. Game

villain612
06-06-2014, 10:30 PM
Who would've predicted that the Reds would lose 8-0 with Cueto on the mound tonight?

Redsfansince72
06-06-2014, 10:30 PM
i should have called in a quick bet about Cozart would pop out to end it..
GRRR

Marc D
06-06-2014, 10:30 PM
I agree that they're incomplete but to say they've been dominated everytime is disingenuous. They were potentially a Johnny Cueto injury and Scott Rolen error from sweeping the Giants and advancing to the NLCS in 2012. And are we really gonna blame Walt for losing a one game playoff the following year? Without him acquiring Choo and Latos, its debatable that the Reds even win 90 games in 2013 and make the playoffs.

Without him employing Dusty Baker it's debatable they lose that series to SF.

You can play the what if game all day. Bottom line is that's it's a results oriented business and the results are underwhelming with the future looking dim.

paulrichjr
06-06-2014, 10:31 PM
Honestly Cueto really started this thing. I have no idea what got in him but he simply just lost his entire focus. This game did not have to get out of hand. 2 or 3 pitches into the game he got ticked at the umpire.

BUTLER REDSFAN
06-06-2014, 10:31 PM
I would love to hear a post game report that castellini showed up in the clubhouse and did some serious chewing out....and is votto ever coming back??

Redsfansince72
06-06-2014, 10:32 PM
I agree that they're incomplete but to say they've been dominated everytime is disingenuous. They were potentially a Johnny Cueto injury and Scott Rolen error from sweeping the Giants and advancing to the NLCS in 2012. And are we really gonna blame Walt for losing a one game playoff the following year? Without him acquiring Choo and Latos, its debatable that the Reds even win 90 games in 2013 and make the playoffs.

SOOO now instead of taking the Next step to get to the next level, Walt does nothing and they go backwards.. and i dont see a forward move untill changes are made in that dugout

Redsfansince72
06-06-2014, 10:36 PM
i kinda wish they would get in a fight.. that might fire this team up.. nothing else is

Tony Cloninger
06-06-2014, 10:36 PM
The Royals....with a younger and probably more talented offensive team....are going through the same issues now of wether to start realizing that core is not going to cut it and start moving some players out.

Roy Tucker
06-06-2014, 10:38 PM
We need some different guys. These guys aren't cutting it.

5TimeWSChamps
06-06-2014, 10:41 PM
That 4 game winning streak was fun.... :cry:

villain612
06-06-2014, 10:45 PM
SOOO now instead of taking the Next step to get to the next level, Walt does nothing and they go backwards.. and i dont see a forward move untill changes are made in that dugout

That's entirely not what I said.

I was addressing a comment made about previous playoff runs.

I posted earlier that, after this past offseason's inactivity and if the Reds are out of contention this year and make no moves to improve, I would be ready to question if we had the right GM to move forward with. Its a page or two back.

Just because I give Walt some credit for the success of the past few years, doesn't mean I'm completely happy with things right now or moving forward.

JMO
06-06-2014, 10:46 PM
Sure would be nice if the Reds had Didi Gregorius. Cozart is not good. This team is filled with bad contracts. SELL.

757690
06-06-2014, 10:56 PM
Cardinals are a .500 team right now. Every team (except the Cubs) are contending at this moment. Rozelle's parity has reached MLB.

Marc D
06-06-2014, 11:18 PM
There is a long list of adjectives I would use to describe this team before I got to "contending"

BluegrassRedleg
06-06-2014, 11:20 PM
Here are the lineups. Frazier at first again. I think both times he has played 1st this season he has made errors. Lets hope for better tonight.


1. Jimmy Rollins (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) SS
2. Carlos Ruiz (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) C
3. Chase Utley (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) 2B
4. Ryan Howard (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) 1B
5. Marlon Byrd (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) RF
6. Domonic Brown (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) LF
7. John Mayberry Jr. (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) CF
8. Reid Brignac (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) 3B
9. Cole Hamels (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) P


1. Billy Hamilton (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) CF
2. Brayan Pena (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) C
3. Brandon Phillips (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) 2B
4. Todd Frazier (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) 1B
5. Jay Bruce (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) RF
6. Ryan Ludwick (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) LF
7. Zack Cozart (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) SS
8. Ramon Santiago (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) 3B
9. Johnny Cueto (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) P



How hard does an opponent laugh in its clubhouse when this lineup is presented?

757690
06-06-2014, 11:25 PM
There is a long list of adjectives I would use to describe this team before I got to "contending"

The Reds can't make the playoffs playing the way they are playing. But neither can every other team outside of the Brewers and Giants in the NL. The Reds has as good a chance of making the playoffs as any other team in the NL, besides those two. And if either of the Giants or Brewers have a bad run, they are in the same boat.

Marc D
06-06-2014, 11:37 PM
The Reds can't make the playoffs playing the way they are playing. But neither can every other team outside of the Brewers and Giants in the NL. The Reds has as good a chance of making the playoffs as any other team in the NL, besides those two. And if either of the Giants or Brewers have a bad run, they are in the same boat.

To each his own but a team that hasn't been over .500 at any point in the season doesn't have as good of odds as anyone in my book. This team is wretched and I hold out zero hope of Votto ever being Votto again and am only slightly more optimistic about Latos.

757690
06-06-2014, 11:37 PM
I don't know, maybe Johnny has told Price that he really wants to pitch to Pena. Price obviously believes in this dedicated catcher business.

And I'm not that upset about Frazier playing first defensively, it's not optimal, but ok for a game here and there.

However, Mes sitting tonight is very unfortunate. Hamels is tough against the Reds. Mes hits lefties. Santiago and Cozart in the lineup and Mes sitting. Not ideal.

Fraizer now has an error in every start he's made at 1B. And I think Cueto can give up 4 runs in 5 innings with Mesoraco catching. Definitely not ideal.

BluegrassRedleg
06-07-2014, 12:28 AM
Cardinals are a .500 team right now. Every team (except the Cubs) are contending at this moment. Rozelle's parity has reached MLB.

((((Jim Mora voice))))

Contending?

Contending???

toledodan
06-07-2014, 12:46 AM
The Royals....with a younger and probably more talented offensive team....are going through the same issues now of wether to start realizing that core is not going to cut it and start moving some players out.

I see the royals here everyday and yes they are younger but not more talented on offense. They have two players I woukd take as starters. Gordon fir ludwick and Escobar for cozart. Perez at catcher if mez wouldn't have taken off this year.

CrackerJack
06-07-2014, 02:24 AM
Cole Hamels - 10-0 vs the Reds. Just stupid.

oneupper
06-07-2014, 07:13 AM
Cole Hamels - 10-0 vs the Reds. Just stupid.

The new Roy Oswalt. Good thing he's not in our division.

dsmith421
06-07-2014, 09:32 AM
Might be time to shoot a hostage. Or 25.