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Tom Servo
06-09-2014, 02:20 PM
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757690
06-09-2014, 02:31 PM
I'm beginning to think Price bought a 162 lot of lineup cards preprinted with Phillips batting third, and is too cheap to buy new ones.

davereds24
06-09-2014, 02:47 PM
I hope Mes didn't get dinged up in that collision at the plate.

RedTeamGo!
06-09-2014, 02:48 PM
Image doesn't work - can someone post it in plain text?

RedsBrick
06-09-2014, 02:48 PM
I'm beginning to think Price bought a 162 lot of lineup cards preprinted with Phillips batting third, and is too cheap to buy new ones.

Doing the ole switcharoo with Frazier and Phillips wouldn't be a bad idea. The Todd is clearly the best healthy hitter on the team right now.

CySeymour
06-09-2014, 02:51 PM
Doing the ole switcharoo with Frazier and Phillips wouldn't be a bad idea. The Todd is clearly the best healthy hitter on the team right now.

I'd rather Todd hit second than Dat Dude, that way he may get an extra atbat during the game.

reds44
06-09-2014, 02:52 PM
Hamilton
Votto
Frazier
Bruce
Phillips
Mez
Left field
Shortstop
Pitcher

Waboom.

cumberlandreds
06-09-2014, 02:52 PM
I'd rather Todd hit second than Dat Dude, that way he may get an extra atbat during the game.

I'm hoping when Votto comes back Phillips will go to the five slot or maybe the six. Not likely, though, I'm afraid.

RedsBrick
06-09-2014, 02:59 PM
I'd rather Todd hit second than Dat Dude, that way he may get an extra atbat during the game.

That being the case, you should put him in the 1.

davereds24
06-09-2014, 03:03 PM
Nice to see Lutz get another start, I wonder why he rode the pine so long and now gets 2 starts? Votto should be back any day now so it seems strange.

reds1869
06-09-2014, 03:07 PM
Nice to see Lutz get another start, I wonder why he rode the pine so long and now gets 2 starts? Votto should be back any day now so it seems strange.

Possibly to get him some big league at bats before he is sent down. Or they plan to slide Lutz into Bernadina's role once Vottto is back. In other words, I have absolutely no idea.

CySeymour
06-09-2014, 03:11 PM
That being the case, you should put him in the 1.

No, because he does drive the ball. At least hitting second he would have the possibility of coming to bat with a runner on base each time he hits.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 03:22 PM
Here's to Bruce or Ludwick getting a multiple-run bomb!

:beerme:


Also, the Dodgers are 9-9 in their last 18 on the road, so that 20-12 record on the road is deceiving. They find ways to implode.

As with any two teams that have great starting pitching, this series should be won in the 7th innings on. Glad we have Broxton/Chapman to close things out.

Could really use a great effort by Cingrani. Hope he pitches like his job in the rotation is depending on it....because it is.

NebraskaRed
06-09-2014, 03:22 PM
Nice to see Lutz get another start, I wonder why he rode the pine so long and now gets 2 starts? Votto should be back any day now so it seems strange.

Once he shaved off his mustache they realized that it was Donald Lutz sitting on the bench and not the ghost of Dennis Eckersley.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 03:54 PM
With only two teams playing well in the National League so far this season, San Francisco and Milwaukee, an opportunity has opened up for the REDS to survive this slow start and be solidly in the running for the playoffs right now.

With Votto and Latos nearing their returns, there's no reason to believe that we can't make a run up the ladder over the rest of this month.

davereds24
06-09-2014, 04:22 PM
Figgins 2B
Ramirez SS
Puig RF
Kemp LF
Van Slyke CF
Turner 3B
Romak 1B
Federowicz C
Haren P

Reds really need to take advantage of this lineup tonight.

RedlegJake
06-09-2014, 04:31 PM
Now is the time to get Haren. 1-4 in his last 5 starts with 8 homers allowed. Here's hoping he doesn't get "right" tonight.

Kc61
06-09-2014, 05:01 PM
I think Mesoraco struck out three times yesterday. With the exception of last Friday (Hamels) he's played every game for about a week.

My guess is Price thinks Mes needs a bit more rest and so he's giving him the night off.

Also, Pena has rested more lately and can use the assignment tonight.

All this is fine with me, although I'd hit Lutz 7 and Cozart 8. Otherwise no problems.

Also -- I kind of figured it was time to try Ludwick again, so not surprised to see him in there, again makes sense. None of the others has knocked the cover off the ball in the LF rotation.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 05:16 PM
With the exception of last Friday (Hamels) he's played every game for about a week.



That's too much for a Catcher.

I like how Dusty rotated his Catchers...every two games.

_Sir_Charles_
06-09-2014, 05:32 PM
That's too much for a Catcher.

I like how Dusty rotated his Catchers...every two games.

I did too....somewhat. It was the personal catcher thing I had a beef with. Give them regular rest...but mix it up with the batteries. Get everyone familiar with everyone.

Ironman92
06-09-2014, 05:33 PM
I think Mesoraco struck out three times yesterday. With the exception of last Friday (Hamels) he's played every game for about a week.

My guess is Price thinks Mes needs a bit more rest and so he's giving him the night off.

Also, Pena has rested more lately and can use the assignment tonight.

All this is fine with me, although I'd hit Lutz 7 and Cozart 8. Otherwise no problems.

Also -- I kind of figured it was time to try Ludwick again, so not surprised to see him in there, again makes sense. None of the others has knocked the cover off the ball in the LF rotation.

Starting May 27th Chris Heisey has has 2 starts, Ludwick 5 and Skip 7.....none of them are much but if anything I wish it were reversed. Regardless Skip is too highly valued by the Reds IMO.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 05:48 PM
Cingrani's gotten killed in the 1st and 6th Innings, but great in all the others. He's basically struggling at the top and middle of the order, while dominating the bottom of the orders. His best pitch is too good for AAA, but just not enough at the Major League level when it's his only pitch. The good hitters have learned to wait for "their" pitch.

Hope it's different tonight vs the Dodgers.

Figgins 2B
Ramirez SS
Puig RF
Kemp LF
Van Slyke CF
Turner 3B
Romak 1B
Federowicz C
Haren P


#'s 2-5 look very dangerous, with the rest easy pickings for Cingrani.

Ironman92
06-09-2014, 05:54 PM
Dodgers are terrible vs lefties and Reds hit HR off of Haren

Reds 6
Dodgers 3

_Sir_Charles_
06-09-2014, 05:59 PM
Dodgers are terrible vs lefties and Reds hit HR off of Haren

Reds 6
Dodgers 3

Game's over already?!? Crap, I missed it. At least we won. ;)

VR
06-09-2014, 06:57 PM
Since his record was snapped (22 starts with 5 hits or less), he now has 6 in a row with 6 hits or more.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:03 PM
Since his record was snapped (22 starts with 5 hits or less), he now has 6 in a row with 6 hits or more.

Get through the first inning and then pull him after five.

757690
06-09-2014, 07:12 PM
Again, the key to Cingrani's success is his ability to get a first pitch strike.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:17 PM
Typical first inning so far for Cingrani. Got the easy batter, while the good hitters got hits.

50YrRedsFan
06-09-2014, 07:18 PM
I'm beginning to think Price bought a 162 lot of lineup cards preprinted with Phillips batting third, and is too cheap to buy new ones.

Remember, they're still paying Dusty...couldn't afford to buy more.;)

kaldaniels
06-09-2014, 07:19 PM
Such great instincts by BP - a natural.

757690
06-09-2014, 07:19 PM
First pitch strike to 3 out of 4 hitters :thumbup:

VR
06-09-2014, 07:20 PM
Nice disaster aversion.

RedsBrick
06-09-2014, 07:20 PM
Thank you double dip!

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:20 PM
Great recovery by Cingrani.

Inducing a double-play by Kemp is a Veteran move.

We've got a legitimate chance to win this thing now. Cingrani should get through the second inning easily, and get a couple of outs before facing their best hitters in the third inning,...getting through that one, too, without giving up a run.

Now, let's get a lead.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:30 PM
Three ground-outs by the REDS to go 1-2-3 themselves in the first, after the Dodgers get two hits.

...Cingrani pitching carefully to Van Slyke, as he should...and he gives up the HR.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:32 PM
Next three guys up for the Dodgers batting, .143, .111, .130.

malcontent
06-09-2014, 07:32 PM
Forget the slider and change. Price doing the Latos Rehab...100 fastballs in a row and letting the chips fall.

JMO
06-09-2014, 07:33 PM
Cingrani facing a AAA lineup outside of a few players. He needs to be in the BP ASAP, not getting it done. He has one pitch.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:36 PM
Next three guys up for the Dodgers batting, .143, .111, .130.

He strikes two of them out with the other meekly grounding out to SS (FC).

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 07:36 PM
Van Slyke's the only one who has hit the ball hard off Cingrani so far.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:37 PM
Van Slyke's the only one who has hit the ball hard off Cingrani so far.

He has an OPS of .940 this season. He hits the ball hard off everyone when he does connect.

malcontent
06-09-2014, 07:37 PM
Cingrani facing a AAA lineup outside of a few players. He needs to be in the BP ASAP, not getting it done. He has one pitch.
Either that or AAA to work on the slider and change.

kbrake
06-09-2014, 07:38 PM
Cingrani only had one pitch last year and did just fine. I think it is more more an issue of location than it is what exact pitch he is throwing.

757690
06-09-2014, 07:39 PM
He has an OPS of .940 this season. He hits the ball hard off everyone when he does connect.

Almost all of his AB's have been against lefties. He can't get around a good righty fastball.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:39 PM
I'll take the over on the "on pace to hit eight this season".

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:40 PM
Haren breezing through the lineup through five hitters.

Cozart hasn't been the automatic out this month, though. Maybe he'll come through tonight.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:42 PM
I like what the announcer is saying about the REDS....

"With Votto back, this lineup will have a chance to lengthen out and put some Offense together" (paraphrased, but this is about what he said).

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 07:43 PM
Replay on that one!!

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:43 PM
So close....

Straighten 'er out, Zach.

kbrake
06-09-2014, 07:44 PM
Man that sucks. That is about as far as Cozart can hit em haha.

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 07:45 PM
I don't think it'll be overruled but that ball looked like it glanced slightly off the fair pole

JMO
06-09-2014, 07:45 PM
Wow

DocRed
06-09-2014, 07:45 PM
Gotta give is up to MLB for at least getting rid of the grossly overweight umps.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:47 PM
There were two outs. How does he not get to third on that?

Is Pena really that slow?

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I don't think it'll be overruled but that ball looked like it glanced slightly off the fair pole

Agree.

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Cingrani helped himself against the Giants in his last start, didn't he?

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 07:47 PM
Haren looks a little shaken from that loud foul ball

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:48 PM
Good inning no matter what happens here by the bottom of the order.

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 07:48 PM
There were two outs. How does he not get to third on that?

Is Pena really that slow?

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Agree.

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Cingrani helped himself against the Giants in his last start, didn't he?

Glad I'm not the only one that saw that.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:49 PM
YES!!!!

WP, scores a run.

toledodan
06-09-2014, 07:50 PM
Thanks Dodgers

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:50 PM
That looked like me swinging on that last pitch.

SirFelixCat
06-09-2014, 07:54 PM
Bottom of the order did all that they could. Happy to get the gift run there.

Chip R
06-09-2014, 07:55 PM
Cingrani only had one pitch last year and did just fine. I think it is more more an issue of location than it is what exact pitch he is throwing.

Don't you think hitters know that? If they know he's going to throw a fastball 70-80% of the time, they are going to be sitting on it. He's got some good heat but he's not fast enough to make a living off of it exclusively.

kaldaniels
06-09-2014, 07:55 PM
Thom sarcastically giving the fans a lashing for putting PED guys in the ASG.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 07:57 PM
Got Ramirez this time and facing Puig with two outs and nobody on is a very good thing.

Big Klu
06-09-2014, 07:58 PM
Once he shaved off his mustache they realized that it was Donald Lutz sitting on the bench and not the ghost of Dennis Eckersley.

I thought he looked like Youngblood Priest with the mustache.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Ron_O%27neal.jpg

kaldaniels
06-09-2014, 07:58 PM
I'm bullish on Cingrani. His ability to cause a swing and miss is incredible. He will be fine.

kbrake
06-09-2014, 07:59 PM
Don't you think hitters know that? If they know he's going to throw a fastball 70-80% of the time, they are going to be sitting on it. He's got some good heat but he's not fast enough to make a living off of it exclusively.

I don't think it is about how fast he throws it I think it is about deception with his fastball. Guys can sit on it and if he throws in the right spot they still swing through it. When he is locating his fastball up guys routinely swing through it at 92 looking like they are swinging through a 97 MPH pitch.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:00 PM
Nice job by Cingrani through three innings.

As long as he doesn't give up another HR to Van Slyke, he should get through the fourth without giving up a run.

kbrake
06-09-2014, 08:01 PM
It is truly amazing how exciting Billy Hamilton makes the most routine ground ball play.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:02 PM
I don't think it is about how fast he throws it I think it is about deception with his fastball. Guys can sit on it and if he throws in the right spot they still swing through it. When he is locating his fastball up guys routinely swing through it at 92 looking like they are swinging through a 97 MPH pitch.

Their third time seeing him in a game is where his lack of another pitch really haunts him.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:04 PM
CF never had it anyway. He had no bead on it at all. (On Phillips' hit)

Now, we have Bruce with men on base. That is a good thing.

malcontent
06-09-2014, 08:05 PM
Their third time seeing him in a game is where his lack of another pitch really haunts him.
That and when he tires and Gameday starts listing his FB as "change-up".

kbrake
06-09-2014, 08:06 PM
Their third time seeing him in a game is where his lack of another pitch really haunts him.

Even then I think it is much more a case of stamina. I think after about 80 pitches Cingrani really starts to lose it and then things get ugly quick.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:07 PM
Another one....bummer.

Straighten 'er out, Bruce.

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Even then I think it is much more a case of stamina. I think after about 80 pitches Cingrani really starts to lose it and then things get ugly quick.

I don't watch him personally enough to have any read on that. I've heard that before on Cingrani.

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Anyone got any chickens they can sacrifice to help out Jay?

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:10 PM
As long as he doesn't give up another HR to Van Slyke, he should get through the fourth without giving up a run.

Forgot Kemp was up still.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:11 PM
This plate appearance vs Van Slyke will be tough for Cingrani.

toledodan
06-09-2014, 08:12 PM
I've seen enough of cingrani

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:12 PM
Cingrani throws it 55 feet to the plate.

C'mon, Cingrani.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:13 PM
That looked like strike-3.

I'm prejudiced.

Roy Tucker
06-09-2014, 08:13 PM
I had sideburns like Cingrani in 1969.

kbrake
06-09-2014, 08:14 PM
Cingrani getting squeezed.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:14 PM
Better to walk Van Slyke than give up the extra-base hit. He can strike out the next three guys.

Kc61
06-09-2014, 08:16 PM
Better to walk Van Slyke than give up the extra-base hit. He can strike out the next three guys.

Agree. It may or may not work out, but he pitched Van Slyke wisely.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:17 PM
Horrible luck on that flare.

Cingrani pitched well there.

kbrake
06-09-2014, 08:17 PM
You have to be kidding me.

Roy Tucker
06-09-2014, 08:17 PM
Turner is a pitch count machine.

toledodan
06-09-2014, 08:17 PM
Justin freaking Turner

Tom Servo
06-09-2014, 08:17 PM
This ain't gonna end well.

JMO
06-09-2014, 08:18 PM
Reds are snake bitten. Welp, we get down 3-1 and we're in trouble.

toledodan
06-09-2014, 08:18 PM
Why don't we get breaks like that?

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:18 PM
Cingrani can't let that bad luck get to him.

Own this batter and strike him out.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:19 PM
Pop-up works.

Now get a GODP or a K.

PepperJack
06-09-2014, 08:20 PM
Retweeted by ctrent
Matt Andrews @BatsRadio · 1m
Four impressive innings for Latos. Velocity looks good, working in all his pitches. He works a perfect 4th. 53/29 - 3-0 Bats after 4.

JMO
06-09-2014, 08:21 PM
0-2 pitch and he throws it down the middle, pathetic

toledodan
06-09-2014, 08:21 PM
Terrible throw by Bruce

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:21 PM
Darn.

Didn't need to give up the Sac Fly there.

Thought Cingrani could get out of this with just the flare-rbi.

kbrake
06-09-2014, 08:22 PM
Cingrani is a young SP they all tend to struggle at some point or another. A few weeks starting in Louisville would probably do him some good but long term he will be just fine.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:23 PM
Cingrani is a young SP they all tend to struggle at some point or another. A few weeks starting in Louisville would probably do him some good but long term he will be just fine.

Let's give him some support and get a couple of runs this inning.

50YrRedsFan
06-09-2014, 08:23 PM
I believe they are printing Cingrani's ticket to the bullpen.

kbrake
06-09-2014, 08:24 PM
I believe they are printing Cingrani's ticket to the bullpen.

I really hope they send him down and let him continue to work as a starter. They will need him again by season end.

Tom Servo
06-09-2014, 08:26 PM
Luddy! :jump:

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:26 PM
Ryan ludwick homerun!

kaldaniels
06-09-2014, 08:26 PM
Outstanding taunting by the fans.

toledodan
06-09-2014, 08:26 PM
Gabp special..

kbrake
06-09-2014, 08:28 PM
Outstanding taunting by the fans.

That was hilarious.

Magdal
06-09-2014, 08:28 PM
Way to go luddy. Maybe they will start you more than twice a week now! :beerme:

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:28 PM
Is that Aaron Boone announcing? I really like him. Very matter-of-fact kind of announcing.

Kc61
06-09-2014, 08:29 PM
I believe they are printing Cingrani's ticket to the bullpen.

I don't mind if they print his ticket to the bullpen. But I don't think they should send Tony to the minors.

He's pitching under great pressure, like, pitch a gem or you lose your job. His stuff seems good. My guess is Tony needs to relax and build some confidence. Also needs to figure out when to go to that new breaking pitch

If he's healthy, I don't see the benefit of having Tony pitch to AAA hitters. I now expect him to be out of the rotation; but I would let him pitch some longer relief stints with the Reds.

If they need to send somebody down, they should DL Marshall or send out Hoover or Ondrusek.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:31 PM
Juuuuuuust missed it. (by Lutz)

toledodan
06-09-2014, 08:31 PM
Lutz just missed

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:33 PM
His stuff seems good. My guess is Tony needs to relax and build some confidence. Also needs to figure out when to go to that new breaking pitch

If he's healthy, I don't see the benefit of having Tony pitch to AAA hitters.

Teaching another pitch can be done more quickly at the minor league level. It seems like that is what would benefit Cingrani the most.

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Third time through the lineup.

Here we go.

Anything less than two runs scored in this inning is a huge success.

Cingrani starting the inning at 69 pitches. (Figgins isn't a real threat...it's the next four players who can blow this game open.)

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:35 PM
Where was that low strike call last inning?

malcontent
06-09-2014, 08:37 PM
Bruce fanning at a 30.3% clip this year.

Could Winker potentially be a better all-around hitter?

kaldaniels
06-09-2014, 08:38 PM
Bruce fanning at a 30.3% clip this year.

Could Winker potentially be a better all-around hitter?

Yes.

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 08:39 PM
Cingrani's release point is incredibly inconsistent.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:39 PM
After the Hanley Ramirez plate appearance, Cingrani is at 82 pitches.

Kc61
06-09-2014, 08:40 PM
Yes.

What's the basis for saying that Jesse Winker is potentially a better hitter than Jay Bruce?

His good hitting at Bakersfield?

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 08:41 PM
Bruce fanning at a 30.3% clip this year.

Could Winker potentially be a better all-around hitter?

Bruce is a slugger that can hit some.

Winker is a hitter that can bash home runs.

kbrake
06-09-2014, 08:43 PM
Bruce is a slugger that can hit some.

Winker is a hitter that can bash home runs.

Didn't people think that of Bruce too when he was facing minor league pitching?

kaldaniels
06-09-2014, 08:43 PM
What's the basis for saying that Jesse Winker is potentially a better hitter than Jay Bruce?

His good hitting at Bakersfield?

What could I say that you would not counter with "he's only at high-A"?

Magdal
06-09-2014, 08:44 PM
Bruce is a slugger that can hit some.

Winker is a hitter that can bash home runs.Not familiar with Winker. Would you tell me about him?

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 08:45 PM
What's the basis for saying that Jesse Winker is potentially a better hitter than Jay Bruce?

His good hitting at Bakersfield?

When evaluating minor league hitters, a great metric is K/BB rate (because it shows the hitter has a good eye and patience, and yet is aggressive on pitches in the strike zone). And Winker's is excellent for a player in his age group at that level. Second metric is doubles and home runs, and again Winker is showing very solid power while hitting for a high average. He's been consistent with this for three seasons now. there's no reason to question why he won't continue as he advances up the ladder.

kaldaniels
06-09-2014, 08:45 PM
Even without diving into the scouting reports, why is it so controversial to say Winker could end up a better overall hitter than Bruce? Bruce is maybe (being generous) the 60th best hitter in the Major Leagues.

Roy Tucker
06-09-2014, 08:46 PM
What could I say that you would not counter with "he's only at high-A"?

What's the lowest note you can sing?

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 08:46 PM
Not familiar with Winker. Would you tell me about him?

Here's a link to his baseball-refrence (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=winker001jes) page. Supplemental pick in the first round in 2012 out of high school. Left handed hitter who is tearing it up for the third season in a row. He'll debut sometime next year in Cinci, barring significant setbacks.

JMO
06-09-2014, 08:47 PM
PULL HIM

RedsBrick
06-09-2014, 08:47 PM
TC's WHIP taking a hit tonight

Kc61
06-09-2014, 08:48 PM
What could I say that you would not counter with "he's only at high-A"?

Probably nothing.

Winker's line at High A is just a tad worse than Bruce's. But Winker is older and he's playing in a hitter's league. Jay played in the Florida State League.

I have nothing against Winker, supposedly his hitting tool is excellent, although he's not a good defensive prospect.

But some of these Reds prospects are being hyped out of control. Jay Bruce was the best prospect in the minors. None of these guys are close, including Stephenson.

Jay Bruce has been an all star in the major leagues.

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:48 PM
He can walk Van Slyke and then face a .150 hitter (who flared a single last at-bat).

toledodan
06-09-2014, 08:49 PM
Logan ondrusek in the pen

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 08:50 PM
Didn't people think that of Bruce too when he was facing minor league pitching?

Not saying "I told you so", because I LIKE Bruce in RF for the Reds. But when he was coming up, he always showed too much imbalance in that K/BB ratio for me to have confidence that he'd be the star that most thought. I think in one post I pegged his ceiling as Geoff Jenkins-ish. Jenkins was solid, but unspectacular most of his career. I think Bruce has exceeded that to some extent, but his inconsistency is what ultimately is holding him back.

Kc61
06-09-2014, 08:50 PM
For all of my compliments of Cingrani tonight, I think he has nothing left.

757690
06-09-2014, 08:50 PM
I have a bad feeling about this AB

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:50 PM
She had a chest protector on.

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That's all on Price.

JMO
06-09-2014, 08:50 PM
Absolutely pathetic decision to not pull cingrani. Failure

Tom Servo
06-09-2014, 08:50 PM
are u kitten me right meow Cingrani

kaldaniels
06-09-2014, 08:51 PM
He's bullpen bound.

toledodan
06-09-2014, 08:51 PM
Game over

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:51 PM
Price is really a horrible Manager.

kbrake
06-09-2014, 08:51 PM
That is on Price. We all know Cingrani falls apart as the pitch count climbs. Have to have a righty ready to come in and face Van Slyke in that situation. Rookie manager.

JMO
06-09-2014, 08:51 PM
Price, are you watching? BALLGAME. Losing to a AAA lineup.

RedsBrick
06-09-2014, 08:51 PM
I have a bad feeling about this AB

Well, you called that...

Kingspoint
06-09-2014, 08:52 PM
Absolutely pathetic decision to not pull cingrani. Failure

No doubt about that.

Price needs to go. He needs the Tony Perez treatment. Should have been fired a month ago.

CarolinaRedleg
06-09-2014, 08:52 PM
Time to see what else is on...good grief.


And it's a shame. Thanks to MLB's archaic blackout rules, this is one of the few Reds games I get to watch this year.

malcontent
06-09-2014, 08:52 PM
PULL HIM
Price too late. Again.

JMO
06-09-2014, 08:52 PM
What a horrible decision. Chalk another loss up to Price's inability to see when a SP is done.

50YrRedsFan
06-09-2014, 08:52 PM
Cingrani is done tonight, and so am I.

reds700
06-09-2014, 08:52 PM
Seems like everybody saw that coming but Price. Really questioning his decisions at this point.

kaldaniels
06-09-2014, 08:53 PM
No excuses but is it me or did a lot happen on 2-strike counts? He needs to figure that out.

kbrake
06-09-2014, 08:53 PM
I think firing Price with 100 games to go would be a bit much but that was definitely a poorly managed inning.

Tom Servo
06-09-2014, 08:53 PM
I think Price just gave Cingrani the final test, and he failed. He's not staying in the rotation.

JMO
06-09-2014, 08:53 PM
Yep done with this game.

RedsBrick
06-09-2014, 08:53 PM
TC's WHIP taking a hit tonight

...to say nothing of his ERA.

Roy Tucker
06-09-2014, 08:54 PM
Time to see what else is on...good grief.

We are watching The Bachelorette

malcontent
06-09-2014, 08:54 PM
Deer in the headlights.

George Foster
06-09-2014, 08:54 PM
should of been pulled after 2nd walk with 2 outs. Cingrani had his chance...2 months in the rotation. Bye Bye!
Latos should of started tonight. Bad management!

Hillsdale87
06-09-2014, 08:54 PM
If Cingrani is wearing out at 90 pitches he should not be in the rotation right now

CarolinaRedleg
06-09-2014, 08:54 PM
We are watching The Bachelorette

Got to be better than this steaming pile.

RedTeamGo!
06-09-2014, 08:55 PM
That was sad, Cingrani looked like he was about to cry. It's probably not, but that could end up being the last game he starts in his career.

Kc61
06-09-2014, 08:55 PM
No excuses but is it me or did a lot happen on 2-strike counts? He needs to figure that out.

Yes, agree. Cingarani of last year would put those guys away. He couldn't now.

This would be a very bad loss. Not the top lineup used by Dodgers, Haren pitching rather than the top guys.

Cingrani obviously had nothing left.

RedsBrick
06-09-2014, 08:56 PM
So, what's better for Cingrani? Bullpen or AAA to work on starting? What say you?

kbrake
06-09-2014, 08:56 PM
That was sad, Cingrani looked like he was about to cry. It's probably not, but that could end up being the last game he starts in his career.

Yeah if he is involved in a freak accident that causes him to lose his left arm at some point. Jeff Francis still gets the occasional start. Cingrani will get plenty of chances. I'm amazed how many people seem shocked that a young SP has hit a rough patch.

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 08:57 PM
I think Cingrani has a serious shoulder issue and is trying to hide it. He had no consistent release point at all tonight.

Kc61
06-09-2014, 08:57 PM
I think Price just gave Cingrani the final test, and he failed. He's not staying in the rotation.

That's probably the thinking, give Tony the full shot.

But there's a ball game to win, this isn't tryout camp.

malcontent
06-09-2014, 08:57 PM
Hopefully the media guys can serve up another fat softball to Price tonite.

"He lost it so fast, you didn't have time..."

toledodan
06-09-2014, 08:58 PM
Really Santiago a bunt???

Roy Tucker
06-09-2014, 08:58 PM
Got to be better than this steaming pile.

Eh. This show is pretty bad. A bunch of whiny beta males.

I'm reading Christopher Golden's latest "Snowblind". Spooky.

Falls City Beer
06-09-2014, 08:59 PM
This was the game of the four the Reds had a shot to win. Big, big uphill climb against the next three starters. This team needs to reassess. Yes, they are technically within striking distance, but I think even members of the front office have to sense at this point that they're short on horses.

kaldaniels
06-09-2014, 08:59 PM
Tony also needs to cut down on the "terrible" balls he throws. Too many wasted pitches.

He has the fastball and the breaking stuff is almost there. He doesn't put it together though. Reminds me of Cueto or Volquez in the late aughts. Could break either way.

Playadlc
06-09-2014, 08:59 PM
You guys are too results driven sometimes.

I've got no problem leaving Cingrani in there in the 5th. Just didn't work out this time. Under 100 pitches there is not that clear cut of a call.

RedTeamGo!
06-09-2014, 09:00 PM
Yeah if he is involved in a freak accident that causes him to lose his left arm at some point. Jeff Francis still gets the occasional start. Cingrani will get plenty of chances. I'm amazed how many people seem shocked that a young SP has hit a rough patch.

That's not how I meant it. I could see him going to the bullpen and becoming a dominant relief pitcher. If that happens a team may not want to start him.

Kc61
06-09-2014, 09:00 PM
You guys are too results driven sometimes.

I've got no problem leaving Cingrani in there in the 5th. Just didn't work out this time. Under 100 pitches there is not that clear cut of a call.

Watching the game, it looked like Cingrani had nothing left. Several posters said it, before the big homer.

757690
06-09-2014, 09:01 PM
In all fairness, If Price had pulled Cingrani, he would have brought in Ondrusek to face Van Slyke. Kinda a lose-lose situation.

RedsBrick
06-09-2014, 09:01 PM
It may just be me, but a double switch there seems odd.

Tom Servo
06-09-2014, 09:01 PM
Tony also needs to cut down on the "terrible" balls he throws. Too many wasted pitches.

He has the fastball and the breaking stuff is almost there. He doesn't put it together though. Reminds me of Cueto or Volquez in the late aughts. Could break either way.
Reminds me of Travis Wood in 2011.

kbrake
06-09-2014, 09:01 PM
You guys are too results driven sometimes.

I've got no problem leaving Cingrani in there in the 5th. Just didn't work out this time. Under 100 pitches there is not that clear cut of a call.

He's imploded quite a bit recently once his pitch count gets up around there and the guy already had a 450ft bomb off of him.

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 09:01 PM
This was the game of the four the Reds had a shot to win. Big, big uphill climb against the next three starters. This team needs to reassess. Yes, they are technically within striking distance, but I think even members of the front office have to sense at this point that they're short on horses.

This team has been short on horses since they decided to sign Ludwick to play LF. The front office either can't see it or won't admit it.

kaldaniels
06-09-2014, 09:02 PM
Reminds me of Travis Wood in 2011.

Absolutely. He's a typical young arm. He's blessed with stuff on the bright side.

Kc61
06-09-2014, 09:02 PM
In all fairness, If Price had pulled Cingrani, he would have brought in Ondrusek to face Van Slyke. Kinda a lose-lose situation.

If you look at Ondrusek's numbers this year, you might think otherwise. He's been fine for someone with his limited role.

Mutaman
06-09-2014, 09:02 PM
Yes, they are technically within striking distance, but I think even members of the front office have to sense at this point that they're short on horses.


i still think there is an argument to be made that they've got the talent but some of the talent is not playing up to their capabilities.

BluegrassRedleg
06-09-2014, 09:05 PM
If you look at Ondrusek's numbers this year, you might think otherwise. He's been fine for someone with his limited role.

He's been fine so far in June. He was atrocious prior to this month. Gave up runs in 6 of his 15 appearances prior to June, multiple runs 3x; 23 hits in 16 IP.

malcontent
06-09-2014, 09:06 PM
That's probably the thinking, give Tony the full shot.

But there's a ball game to win, this isn't tryout camp.
No, it's not. I've already made my mind up on Price. I want Riggleman at this point.

Beyond that, if he says the first word about Cingrani needing to pitch deep so as not to "blow up" the pen (his rationale for Latos still being in rehab), he should be fired on the spot.

Falls City Beer
06-09-2014, 09:07 PM
i still think there is an argument to be made that they've got the talent but some of the talent is not playing up to their capabilities.

Maybe, but I think that's a stretch. Why aren't they playing up to their abilities? Are they hurt? Are you suggesting they're not giving enough effort? I don't buy the latter argument. I think they're injured and not that talented/on the downside arc of their careers.

Tony Cloninger
06-09-2014, 09:07 PM
No excuses but is it me or did a lot happen on 2-strike counts? He needs to figure that out.

Probably the lack of a good 2nd pitch to help him out while they wait him out and his fastballs.

I thought Dusty left pitchers in too long? Maybe it was Price after all?

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 09:07 PM
No, it's not. I've already made my mind up on Price. I want Riggleman at this point.

Beyond that, if he says the first word about Cingrani needing to pitch deep so as not to "blow up" the pen (his rationale for Latos still being in rehab), he should be fired on the spot.

I literally shuddered when I read that.

Tom Servo
06-09-2014, 09:07 PM
>2014
>acting like there is a manager in the world you wouldn't complain about

Falls City Beer
06-09-2014, 09:08 PM
This team has been short on horses since they decided to sign Ludwick to play LF. The front office either can't see it or won't admit it.

I think there's a bit more to it than that, but that didn't help things.

Roy Tucker
06-09-2014, 09:08 PM
There aren't many young starters that don't go through growing pains. We suffered a couple years worth of Homer Bailey figuring it out at the MLB level.

Tony Cloninger
06-09-2014, 09:09 PM
That was sad, Cingrani looked like he was about to cry. It's probably not, but that could end up being the last game he starts in his career.

Is the world ending tonight? The Mayans were wrong but right at the same time?

RedsBrick
06-09-2014, 09:10 PM
Price isn't going anywhere, nor should he. If this organization fires Price at this point, it's in bigger shambles than I'd feared or dreamed.

malcontent
06-09-2014, 09:11 PM
This team has been short on horses since they decided to sign Ludwick to play LF. The front office either can't see it or won't admit it.
Walt's hands are tied. He can't add payroll or talent anytime soon.

His only option is to cut payroll and talent in order to feed the Vortex of Votto.

Falls City Beer
06-09-2014, 09:12 PM
There aren't many young starters that don't go through growing pains. We suffered a couple years worth of Homer Bailey figuring it out at the MLB level.

Cingrani's really young yet. And that's without even trying him in the pen. But I think they'll just demote Cingrani when Latos comes back so he can continue starting at Louisville.

Tony Cloninger
06-09-2014, 09:15 PM
i still think there is an argument to be made that they've got the talent but some of the talent is not playing up to their capabilities.

Exactly. Several under performers contributing to this stuff.

Schu and Marshall are basically rehabbing their game in the majors as well.

UPRedsFan
06-09-2014, 09:16 PM
Yes I think we have our answer to the Cingrani or Simon question tonight. Really hop Tony gets to figure it out in the pen and let Ondrusek go down.

RedTeamGo!
06-09-2014, 09:18 PM
Is the world ending tonight? The Mayans were wrong but right at the same time?

I just meant I could see him becoming a dominant reliever and sticking there

Magdal
06-09-2014, 09:21 PM
You show 'em Luddy!

Tony Cloninger
06-09-2014, 09:22 PM
I just meant I could see him becoming a dominant reliever and sticking there

I think, just like they mentioned about Wood..... that he just needs some time there to maximize his value for Now....not permanent.

Just maybe for now, like I have mentioned the orioles and Dodgers used to do with some of their pitching prospects.

I do not think it would be permanent.

Magdal
06-09-2014, 09:23 PM
Here's a link to his baseball-refrence (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=winker001jes) page. Supplemental pick in the first round in 2012 out of high school. Left handed hitter who is tearing it up for the third season in a row. He'll debut sometime next year in Cinci, barring significant setbacks.Thanks.

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 09:24 PM
I'm telling you, I think Cingrani's shoulder is hurt. I don't think he'll be in the rotation at AAA or in the pen. I think he's headed for a long DL stint. I hope I'm wrong.

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Thanks.

My pleasure.

Kc61
06-09-2014, 09:25 PM
Highly doubt Ondrusek is going anywhere. He's got a 4.4 ERA, not great, but his FIP is only 3.32. Only allowed one homer this season. 16/7 K/BB ratio going into tonight.

I think they will either DL Cingrani or Marshall; or possibly send down Hoover although that creates an abundance of lefty relievers.

First guess is that Cingrani will be DL'd, he just didn't look right tonight after a decent beginning.

Mutaman
06-09-2014, 09:26 PM
Maybe, but I think that's a stretch. Why aren't they playing up to their abilities? Are they hurt? Are you suggesting they're not giving enough effort? I don't buy the latter argument. I think they're injured and not that talented/on the downside arc of their careers.


I think Walt reasonably expected more from Bruce, Cozart, Votto and Cingrani. Throw in Parra, Marshall and Hoover as disappointments who have cost us games. Would not suggest lack of effort. It is what it is.

757690
06-09-2014, 09:28 PM
I'm confused. Mattingly took out Haren before he gave up a bunch of runs. You're allowed to do that?

Kc61
06-09-2014, 09:30 PM
I think Walt reasonably expected more from Bruce, Cozart, Votto and Cingrani. Throw in Parra, Marshall and Hoover as disappointments who have cost us games. Would not suggest lack of effort. It is what it is.

I'm sure Walt expected more from some guys. But it wasn't a secret that the team was short of hitting. I know of one Reds message board where it was said all off-season, really beginning in 2013 when the Reds hit ok but on the backs of three players.

757690
06-09-2014, 09:33 PM
I'm sure Walt expected more from some guys. But it wasn't a secret that the team was short of hitting. I know of one Reds message board where it was said all off-season, really beginning in 2013 when the Reds hit ok but on the backs of three players.

I think if Votto and Bruce don't get injured, the Reds offense is good enough with the pitching and defense they have. They were fine until then, and have dropped off significantly since losing them.

malcontent
06-09-2014, 09:33 PM
I know of one Reds message board where it was said all off-season, really beginning in 2013 when the Reds hit ok but on the backs of three players.
Don't be a tease....

kaldaniels
06-09-2014, 09:34 PM
I love the guys but these Votto/Latos reports from Jim Day (the man) and Welsh's iPad are sooo amateur.

Kc61
06-09-2014, 09:35 PM
Prediction. Cingrani goes on the DL before tomorrow night. Reds recall a player, maybe a pitcher, for four days. I'll guess Partch.

Reds send Partch back before Saturday's game, with Latos joining the club.

kaldaniels
06-09-2014, 09:37 PM
I love the guys but these Votto/Latos reports from Jim Day (the man) and Welsh's iPad are sooo amateur.

While I wrote that Welsh was befuddled by the device and delivered the classic "it says click here?" line.

Roy Tucker
06-09-2014, 09:38 PM
Got tix for tomorrow's game. Weather doesn't look promising though.

paulrichjr
06-09-2014, 09:40 PM
I'm confused. Mattingly took out Haren before he gave up a bunch of runs. You're allowed to do that?

Kinda what I was thinking. For anyone who said they had no problem leaving Cingrani in to finish the inning because he hadn't thrown 100 pitches obviously wasn't watching the game on TV. Cingrani was toast and everyone watching the game could see it. I think Price knew it also but was too stubborn to do anything about it.

malcontent
06-09-2014, 09:41 PM
Damn. Cozart almost walked.

Tony Cloninger
06-09-2014, 09:42 PM
Highly doubt Ondrusek is going anywhere. He's got a 4.4 ERA, not great, but his FIP is only 3.32. Only allowed one homer this season. 16/7 K/BB ratio going into tonight.

I think they will either DL Cingrani or Marshall; or possibly send down Hoover although that creates an abundance of lefty relievers.

First guess is that Cingrani will be DL'd, he just didn't look right tonight after a decent beginning.


He was decent until he hit that 80 pitch level. He has stamina issues. Yes he could be hurt too but if he is hurt he does not even last 50 pitches.

Maximize his value as a reliever for now. Hope he rebounds as the year goes on or by 2015.

Tony Cloninger
06-09-2014, 09:49 PM
pena is reverting to being the lovable Hack that he is. Swinging at anything close even when up 2-0...on a pitch where reds hitters love to go....way outside. At least he went the other way.

WrongVerb
06-09-2014, 09:49 PM
Hamilton is that good at bunting, why didn't they have him doing it there? He's got a decent chance at beating it out anyway.

Chuckie
06-09-2014, 09:50 PM
This team is excruciating to watch. I don't even know why I put myself through it.

Kc61
06-09-2014, 09:52 PM
Well, as I've said a few times recently, it's time for the Sean Marshall in-game rehab stint. He seemed to look better last time.

We can watch him and project how he might do in a real, you know, competitive Major League Baseball game.

Kc61
06-09-2014, 09:54 PM
Sean walks the first guy. As Welch says, throwing mostly breaking balls. Let's see how he handles Federowicz. Batter reaches out and flies to right, routine.

So Sean looks ok, but not really fooling anyone yet. Miguel Rojas up.

Hard hit grounder to third, force play at second, close play called safe at first.

Now the Price argument/replay coach review routine. So a challenge coming. Price loses his challenge. So the inning continues for Marshall. Throws to first.

Figgins up. Fooled on nice curve, grounds out. End of report on Marshall outing.

Roy Tucker
06-09-2014, 09:54 PM
This team is excruciating to watch. I don't even know why I put myself through it.

I've been doing it for 50 years. You just can't help it.

Just maintain perspective. And that tomorrow's game starts at 0-0.

757690
06-09-2014, 09:56 PM
Rojas is a former Reds farmhand, I believe.

Tony Cloninger
06-09-2014, 09:56 PM
Hard to make comebacks when either you do not work the counts.....and when you are ahead of said counts.... you swing at bad pitches ahead in the count.

757690
06-09-2014, 10:00 PM
And replay gets it wrong... Again.

Really time to come up with a new system. This one doesn't work.

Red Raindog
06-09-2014, 10:01 PM
I've been doing it for 50 years. You just can't help it.

Just maintain perspective. And that tomorrow's game starts at 0-0.

and keep a bottle close at hand for the bad nights (and the good ones)

Roy Tucker
06-09-2014, 10:08 PM
and keep a bottle close at hand for the bad nights (and the good ones)

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a prefrontal lobotomy.

Fan since 1958? Awesome. I started in '64.

Roy Tucker
06-09-2014, 10:10 PM
Reds got something going.

Playadlc
06-09-2014, 10:11 PM
For the love of God make him throw a strike.

5TimeWSChamps
06-09-2014, 10:11 PM
you have to be kidding me

BluegrassRedleg
06-09-2014, 10:11 PM
Jesus H. Christ.

Can we just cut this clown now???

Playadlc
06-09-2014, 10:11 PM
Seriously, Ludwick should be fined for that.

keeganbrick
06-09-2014, 10:12 PM
Unreal.......vomit

Larry Schuler
06-09-2014, 10:12 PM
Great season.

757690
06-09-2014, 10:12 PM
How in the world does a major league hitter do a half swing, with the bases loaded, no one out, and a 1-0 count.

Dumb... Dumb... Dumb.

5TimeWSChamps
06-09-2014, 10:12 PM
Bases loaded, None out...

Roy Tucker
06-09-2014, 10:13 PM
Reds need some new guys. Several of the ones they have just aren't very good.

PuffyPig
06-09-2014, 10:14 PM
I'm not one to complain about a player's choice on an individual play, but that might have been the most pathetic play I have ever seen.

You have a pitcher on the ropes, who can't throw strikes, and after a ball with the bases loaded, you take a half swing at a pitch in the dirt?

I am without speech.

keeganbrick
06-09-2014, 10:15 PM
It may be a coincidence but we have won like the last 6 or 7 games straight that Schumaker has started. He may not be putting up great stats but with Votto out this team needs a leader like him in the lineup every night (at least against RHP). So tired of seeing these horrible AB. For every HR there is 15 wasted AB.

PuffyPig
06-09-2014, 10:16 PM
It may be a coincidence but we have won like the last 6 or 7 games straight that Schumaker has started. He may not be putting up great stats but with Votto out this team needs a leader like him in the lineup every night (at least against RHP). So tired of seeing these horrible AB. For every HR there is 15 wasted AB.

It must be a coincidence, Schumaker absolutely stinks.

Kc61
06-09-2014, 10:17 PM
As I've pointed out, the Reds very aggressive approach at the plate has been evident since spring training.

Only Bruce seemed to buck the trend earlier in the season. And Votto following his usual pattern. Frazier.

So you don't get walks and you have at bats like Ludwick's.

I assume it's by design and just isn't working well. Because if it's an accident, somebody might suggest a change of strategy.

Roy Tucker
06-09-2014, 10:18 PM
Dee Gordon is Tom Gordon's son. Maybe he'll get a Stephen King novel named after him too.

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-09-2014, 10:19 PM
The lack of urgency getting Latos up here to start tonight, the mismanagement by Price leaving Cingrani in too long, sitting one of your two best hitters (Mes), the lack of hitting again with runners in scoring position ... and then the Ludwick double play takes the cake. This team is beyond words anymore.

Hope Walt is enjoying his creation.

BluegrassRedleg
06-09-2014, 10:23 PM
The lack of urgency getting Latos up here to start tonight, the mismanagement by Price leaving Cingrani in too long, sitting one of your two best hitters (Mes), the lack of hitting again with runners in scoring position ... and then the Ludwick double play takes the cake. This team is beyond words anymore.

Hope Walt is enjoying his creation.

No issue whatsoever taking their time with Latos. Why rush a guy that talented for a team that can't score if you took them to the Bunny Ranch?

Roy Tucker
06-09-2014, 10:27 PM
Pitching coach talks to Hoover after 2 walks:

"Throw some bleeping strikes you bleeping meathead. You don't get paid by the bleeping pitch".

Kc61
06-09-2014, 10:27 PM
No issue whatsoever taking their time with Latos. Why rush a guy that talented for a team that can't score if you took them to the Bunny Ranch?

Funny.

This is actually an interesting game. We're seeing all the candidates to get sent down when Latos returns. Cingrani, Ondrusek, Marshall, Hoover. All before us in the same game.

I think Ondrusek is clear, he pitched quite well tonight, numbers are improved.
Tony C, he's a dilemma, can't go deep in games, may be hurt, but effective in spots.
Marshall seems to be improving, but doesn't look nearly like himself, still.
Hoover is the three true outcomes guy: BBs, Ks, HRs. But he can miss bats.

I'm going with Tony C to the DL, but it's a close race.

villain612
06-09-2014, 10:30 PM
Glad I missed this depressing game.

Good news. The Cubs lost tonight so they won't gain any games on us.

#positivity

Tony Cloninger
06-09-2014, 10:31 PM
Aaron Boone needs to just shut up. That pitch was a ball Aaron....on 1-0 and even if it was not....it was not some fat 1-0 pitch. Ludwick should have been waiting him out.
Poor excuse making.

Larry Schuler
06-09-2014, 10:33 PM
Aaron Boone should have spit into the mic and called Ludwick the C word!!!!!! >:-(

50YrRedsFan
06-09-2014, 10:35 PM
And the good ship "Redlegs" sinks beneath the waves.

malcontent
06-09-2014, 10:36 PM
Price's post-games are the only thing to look forward to these days.

Tony Cloninger
06-09-2014, 10:38 PM
Aaron Boone should have spit into the mic and called Ludwick the C word!!!!!! >:-(

Coward? Catastrophic?

BluegrassRedleg
06-09-2014, 10:39 PM
Funny.

This is actually an interesting game. We're seeing all the candidates to get sent down when Latos returns. Cingrani, Ondrusek, Marshall, Hoover. All before us in the same game.

I think Ondrusek is clear, he pitched quite well tonight, numbers are improved.
Tony C, he's a dilemma, can't go deep in games, may be hurt, but effective in spots.
Marshall seems to be improving, but doesn't look nearly like himself, still.
Hoover is the three true outcomes guy: BBs, Ks, HRs. But he can miss bats.

I'm going with Tony C to the DL, but it's a close race.

Tend to agree with that breakdown, even reluctantly on L.O., who I would be pleased to find never pitching again for the Reeds. But he's been very solid in June. Gotta give credit where it's due.

Hoover's a total mystery to me every time he's out there. Reminds me a bit of Scott Williamson back in the day. Like you said, you just never know.

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Coward? Catastrophic?

Cut.

Tony Cloninger
06-09-2014, 10:39 PM
Price's post-games are the only thing to look forward to these days.

For what? He sounds like Baker sometimes, and his excuse making annoyed me.

I would love to hear from Walt though..... NO one seems to question him in the media much. That is who needs to be asked more than a few questions now.