7/5/14 - Reds vs. Brewers

[Tom Servo]

Hamilton 8
Frazier 5
Votto 3
Phillips 4
Bruce 9
Mesoraco 2
Schumaker 7
Cozart 6
Bailey 1

[Red Raindog]

Wish we had a four hole hitter but I don't see one in this team again this year.

Should be Bruce but we can see he is picture next to streaky in the dictionary and this year the streaks have been short and not close together

[SlimJim11]

Rocco's .313/.378/.642/1.020 would look pretty nice at the 4 spot. I know he struggled there in limited AB's so far, but I think that was just a cold streak in general.

[Red Raindog]

Rocco's .313/.378/.642/1.020 would look pretty nice at the 4 spot. I know he struggled there in limited AB's so far, but I think that was just a cold streak in general.

agree but I thought he pressed even more in that spot -- give him time

[Kc61]

Wish we had a four hole hitter but I don't see one in this team again this year.

Should be Bruce but we can see he is picture next to streaky in the dictionary and this year the streaks have been short and not close together

Todd Frazier is a cleanup hitter. Reds could use a high OBP second hitter.

[Red Raindog]

Todd Frazier is a cleanup hitter. Reds could use a high OBP second hitter.

truth there but move him and then there is new hole in the dyke

my preference is injured Votto in the 2 hole & Todd at 3 hole

[Red Raindog]

St-Loo 4 Miami 1 early -- looks like no help there

[UPRedsFan]

truth there but move him and then there is new hole in the dyke

my preference is injured Votto in the 2 hole & Todd at 3 hole

Votto would clog the bases. He can't score from first on s double and sometimes can't score from second on a single.

[tomnuetten]

oh nice, it is ugly jersey day again...

[Ironman92]

Wrong stadium....but Go Reds!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/06/sebamy8a.jpg

[Red Raindog]

Votto would clog the bases. He can't score from first on s double and sometimes can't score from second on a single.

Dusty?

;)

[Tom Servo]

1-0 Milwaukee after a double, walk, and single with 2 outs. Sigh.

[Mutaman]

Getting about as much consistency from Homer as we're getting from Bruce.

[Rojo]

Dusty?

;)

With the current incarnation of Votto, Dusty would be right. He's Ryan Hannigan. I'd put Votto in the 2-hole right now, but it isn't ideal because he's so slow. An Aoki or Jon Jay would work well, even if those two aren't world-beaters.

[Tom Servo]

Man, George Grande just breaks Jim Day's balls every minute of every broadcast.

[Red Raindog]

With the current incarnation of Votto, Dusty would be right. He's Ryan Hannigan. I'd put Votto in the 2-hole right now, but it isn't ideal because he's so slow. An Aoki or Jon Jay would work well, even if those two aren't world-beaters.


I was referring to Dusty's runner's clog bases comment -- I was saying this Votto is a 2 hole hitter IMO

[PuffyPig]

Why did Braun leave the game, I hadn't heard?

[Rojo]

I was referring to Dusty's runner's clog bases comment -- I was saying this Votto is a 2 hole hitter IMO

I know you were. But at some point, you do have to consider speed. You don't need a burner but, ideally, somebody who gets on base and has 2-base speed.

[Tom Servo]

Why did Braun leave the game, I hadn't heard?
New shipment came in.


Cover story is "due to lower-back spasms" though.

[Mutaman]

Looks like the Phillies have officially thrown in the towel.

[Tadasimha]

Looks like the Phillies have officially thrown in the towel.

Marlins got 3 in the top of the 6th - it's 5-4 Cards in the bottom of the 7th - since the Phils aren't going to help the Reds with the Pirates, maybe Miami will step up.

[Rojo]

Why did Braun leave the game, I hadn't heard?

I don't know but he'll probably blame a courier.

[Tadasimha]

Garza pitching a perfect game so far....

[Kc61]

Braun had back spasms.

Reds with no baserunners through three innings.

[BluegrassRedleg]

If you're scouting Chris Welsh's team, just sit on curve with two strikes? :p

[Tom Servo]

Garza is only at 33 pitches with 2 outs in the 4th. No bueno.

[Kc61]

We're back in San Diego.

[VR]

36 pitches through 4 for the former Cub, Garza.

[Tadasimha]

Homer settling in nicely now

[Kc61]

Ok, Reds' offense. Now.

[Tom Servo]

5 strong innings from Homer so far, but he's being outdone.

[KittyDuran]

No-no gone!

[Tadasimha]

Good start, BP!

[Tadasimha]

need you on 3rd, Brucie!

[Tadasimha]

Rats

Bruce hit that hard enough that it damaged Reynolds' glove - but he still holds on to it for the double play

[Tom Servo]

That kind of game thus far.

[Tadasimha]

Marlins tie it up off of Rosenthal

[757690]

McGhee makes up for yesterday and drives in the tying run off of Rosenthal. Unless Rosenthal gets it together, it's hard to see the Cards going far this season.

[Magdal]

Molina dropped the ball on a play at the plate that would have been the game winner for the Cards.

[kbrake]

Marlins have taken a 6-5 lead on the Cardinals in the 9th.

[Magdal]

Then Holliday throws the ball WAY high on the next play at the plate that would have beat the runner. Cards down going to the bottom of the 9th

[BluegrassRedleg]

Sweet relay. :beerme:

[Kc61]

McGhee makes up for yesterday and drives in the tying run off of Rosenthal. Unless Rosenthal gets it together, it's hard to see the Cards going far this season.

Funny. Around here anyone can close and it doesn't matter anyway since the ninth inning is just like any other inning.

Nice play by the Reds, but a replay coming.

[Mutaman]

Anybody remember the last time Jay got on base? Back in the Frisco series?

[kbrake]

Really nice relay by Cozart.

[tomnuetten]

nice play from the defence.. this should give them momentum right?

[Magdal]

Really nice relay by Cozart.Must be nice to have outfields with arms.

[Big Klu]

Ridiculous. After any close play, somebody starts pointing at his dugout and asks his manager for a challenge. It's like in the NFL when WR's yank imaginary flags from their imaginary hip pockets after every incomplete pass.

[Kc61]

Cozart's play there was brilliant. Just a great play, catching the ball near first base and with a perfect relay.

Just a shame if the Reds waste this starting pitching and great defense this season.

[Magdal]

Molina GIDP...GAME

[Kc61]

Cozart doubles. Bailey stays in to hit or bunt.

[tomnuetten]

great play on defence and a double few minutes later...

[Mutaman]

Maybe we should have Zack hitting cleanup.

[Tadasimha]

Molina dropped the ball on a play at the plate that would have been the game winner for the Cards.


Molina GIDP...GAME

Two of the best posts about the Cardinals I've ever seen! ;)

[Mutaman]

Just a shame if the Reds waste this starting pitching and great defense this season.

There are certainly guys not getting the job done offensively but if we get consistent good pitching and defense we will be fine.

[Tadasimha]

Bats getting on the ball - gonna get Garza in the 7th

[Tony Cloninger]

Molina GIDP...GAME

That's the kind of game they were not losing last year.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Brewers are persistent little buggers. :D

[Tadasimha]

Do NOT send them on the Reds outfield!

[tomnuetten]

great game from bailey (and the defence)

[RedsBrick]

Great defense keeping the Reds in this one!

[Red Raindog]

2 great plays to stop runs --- please don't waste them :pray:

[BluegrassRedleg]

Feel like we've swapped third base coaches for a day.

[Kc61]

There are certainly guys not getting the job done offensively but if we get consistent good pitching and defense we will be fine.

I doubt it. Not in this era. One of the problems with the Reds is they don't seem to see that this is old school thinking.

Lots of great pitching in baseball. It's not enough to prevent runs today.

Key is to be one of the few teams with an effective offense in ADDITION to run prevention.

[Red Raindog]

wow -- Votto infield pop out & 2 K's ---- did the earth shift?

[VR]

wow -- Votto infield pop out & 2 K's ---- did the earth shift?

Yes, about a year ago.

[Mutaman]

I doubt it. Not in this era. One of the problems with the Reds is they don't seem to see that this is old school thinking.

Lots of great pitching in baseball. It's not enough to prevent runs today.

Key is to be one of the few teams with an effective offense.

I suspect that if you review the past season, our miserable middle relief, Homer's inconsistency and Cingrani's problems, have hurt us as much as lack of offense. Hoover/Cingrani aren't 3-13 because of bad offense.

[Red Raindog]

Need Jay to lift one

[RedsBrick]

A perfect spot for Bruce to go Big Fly

[RedsfaninMT]

I wonder if Jay is ever going to get another hit.

[5TimeWSChamps]

So much for Bruce being due... Awful

[tomnuetten]

I suspect that if you review the past season, our miserable middle relief, Homer's inconsistency and Cingrani's problems, have hurt us as much as lack of offense. Hoover/Cingrani aren't 3-13 because of bad offense.

with better offence the w-l record would be (perhaps) better though. a long time the pitching was harder to get than offence, the past few years the pitching got better and the offence worse. you need both to win (in the hitter era good pitching was harder to get and therefore more valuable)

[dubc47834]

Glad Homer didn't cash it in after that inconsistent first!!!

[Red Raindog]

When Jay slumps he doesn't mess around -- good thing he's helped save two runs

[RedsfaninMT]

Even the "Jay will never hit" post doesn't work.

[BluegrassRedleg]

I suspect that if you review the past season, our miserable middle relief, Homer's inconsistency and Cingrani's problems, have hurt us as much as lack of offense. Hoover/Cingrani aren't 3-13 because of bad offense.

If this score holds up, the Reds will have posted 0 or 1 runs 18 times this season, 21% of their games. Not debating your other points there (they are valid) but that is a lot.

[Mutaman]

What is the record for most consecutive outs and how close is Jay to reaching it?

[Mutaman]

If this score holds up, the Reds will have posted 0 or 1 runs 18 times this season, 21% of their games. Not debating your other points there (they are valid) but that is a lot.

Not saying the offensive guys are not underachieving for the most part.

[Redsfansince72]

i just hope Walt can make a deal to get us a hitter.. tired of waiting..This team needs a big bat in LF batting in the middle of the lineup.. or SS if its Tulo..I can dream cant I??:)

[dubc47834]

I don't think Homer Bailey has pitched bad since the ASG of last year. If my memory is right, after the break last year he was very good. Sure he has been inconsistent some this year, but i would love to see the W/L splits when Homer pitches over the last year.

[Red Raindog]

What is the record for most consecutive outs and how close is Jay to reaching it?

believed to be 46 by a catcher Bill Bergan in 1909

[malcontent]

Reds really shelling Garza today. The Shell of Votto followed by the Shells of Phillips and Bruce.

[Red Raindog]

Reds really shelling Garza today. The Shell of Votto followed by the Shells of Phillips and Bruce.

2 hits will win the very fewest of games

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believed to be 46 by a catcher Bill Bergan in 1909

I think Jay is halfway there

[Mutaman]

2 hits will win the very fewest of games

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Padres did it with one. :)

[dubc47834]

Reds really shelling Garza today. The Shell of Votto followed by the Shells of Phillips and Bruce.

The other 2 yes, but BP is 1-2 with a walk. I wouldn't say he is getting embarrassed!

[Red Raindog]

yup --still losing sleep about that one

[Kc61]

I suspect that if you review the past season, our miserable middle relief, Homer's inconsistency and Cingrani's problems, have hurt us as much as lack of offense. Hoover/Cingrani aren't 3-13 because of bad offense.

Sure, you're right. The Reds offense is just an incidental footnote. The .305 team OBP, all the shutouts, the failure to come from behind virtually ever this season. Doesn't matter. Carry on.

Let's go, try and squeeze a couple in to win this sucker.

[Mutaman]

"No one played in the major leagues as long as Bill Bergen and hit so poorly. Bergen had 3,028 career at-bats, during which he compiled a batting average of .170, a record low for players with more than 2,500 plate appearances.

In 1909, Bergen set another record for futility with a span of 45 consecutive at-bats without a base hit, the longest streak ever by a position player (non-pitcher). The record stood until 2011 when it was broken by Eugenio Vélez[3] (who also, coincidentally, played for the Dodgers).

On August 22, Vélez tied J. D. Drew for the worst offensive start for the Dodgers since 1919 by failing to get a hit in his first 25 at-bats. On September 23, he struck out three times to break a 75-year old record for most at-bats in a season without a hit (36) and tie a 102-year-old record for most consecutive at-bats without a hit spanning more than one season (45).[9]

In the last game of the season, Vélez ground out as a pinch hitter in the eighth inning, finishing the year 0 for 37, the most at-bats in a season without a hit by a position player in Major League history. He also extended his overall hitless streak to 46 at-bats, breaking the record previously shared by Bill Bergen, Dave Campbell and Craig Counsell.

On October 4, the Dodgers outrighted Vélez to AAA, removing him from the 40-man roster."
wiki

[Mutaman]

Sure, you're right. The Reds offense is just an incidental footnote. The .305 team OBP, all the shutouts, the failure to come from behind virtually ever this season. Doesn't matter. Carry on.


Dude, I don't like losing either, and as much as I appreciate good sarchasm, this is neither the time nor the place.

[BluegrassRedleg]

i just hope Walt can make a deal to get us a hitter.. tired of waiting..This team needs a big bat in LF batting in the middle of the lineup.. or SS if its Tulo..I can dream cant I??:)

My biggest fear is he continues to use the M.O. he always has: as long as the Reds hang around, he sits on his hands and later claims there were no deals to be had.

[Kc61]

Dude, I don't like losing either, and as much as I appreciate good sarchasm, this is neither the time nor the place.

If you want to debate the obvious, you'll get a response. Sorry it was sarcastic.

Nobody is saying the ONLY problem the team has had is offense. But no need to debate the obvious.

Reds with a baserunner, two outs.

[Red Raindog]

Jeesh -- 1st pitch pop up from Cozart --- :bang:

[Red Raindog]

Garza has pitched a good game -- we've seen a lot of them against this team -- sigh

[Kc61]

It's been rare for the Reds to come back and win games this year. Maybe they are due. Ninth inning, still a one run game. Bailey with a good game, he's out.

[Tom Servo]

Well if nothing else Homer lowered the old ERA significantly today.

[Magdal]

This is a strange game to watch. First off these announcers are unknown to me, and second the Reds have on some weird uni's. Third: Garza looks double tough.

[Red Raindog]

Well if nothing else Homer lowered the old ERA significantly today.

Thank you -- I feel SO much better now (4.15 era)

[Mutaman]

First things first: Diaz needs to hold them.

[Magdal]

Oh my! Who are these pitchers for you guys on the mound now?

[Kc61]

Welsh makes a good point that Diaz is being used here.

Tough game, some of the "veteran Reds" like Lecure, Ondrusek, Parra, might have pitched here usually.

Price making a statement, good for Jumbo.

[dubc47834]

Dude, I don't like losing either, and as much as I appreciate good sarchasm, this is neither the time nor the place.

Tell me the time and the place, and I'm there....:beerme:

[Mutaman]

Tell me the time and the place, and I'm there....:beerme:

You'll be the first to know. :)

[Red Raindog]

Oh my! Who are these pitchers for you guys on the mound now?

He's looking like a bright spot after his first try

[BluegrassRedleg]

That Diaz pitch on the last two Ks had some serious movement.

[Tom Servo]

Free pizza if Jumbo gets this K, right?

[dubc47834]

No pizza...lol

[Tom Servo]

Jumbo getting work done son!

[BluegrassRedleg]

Pizza denied! :laugh:

[Magdal]

He's looking like a bright spot after his first tryLOL..I see my little joke did a fly by.

[Red Raindog]

top of the order ---

[Red Raindog]

LOL..I see my little joke did a fly by.

I was going to "bite" --- by saying he is the formerly known as Leviathan Diaz -- now known as Jumbo

[dubc47834]

Hopefully next saturday i get a bham bobble head and free pizza...that would be awesome!

[BluegrassRedleg]

Get the ball down on the ground, Billy.

[Red Raindog]

dang -- hit hard by BH

[Tom Servo]

Billy and Frazier...so close and yet so far.

[Red Raindog]

dang -- hit hard by BH

dang - hit hard by Todd

[Tony Cloninger]

i just hope Walt can make a deal to get us a hitter.. tired of waiting..This team needs a big bat in LF batting in the middle of the lineup.. or SS if its Tulo..I can dream cant I??:)


According to what Doug told me in the MLT section.... IF Votto goes to the DL.....They will stick under .200 hitting for the last month Pena at 1B and bring up Tucker to play Catcher.

They do not want Lutz to just sit. So how about playing him at 1B....if this is true....and Doug has a pulse on the Reds more than most people posting here.

Does that make any sense at all? I wonder if the Reds do not bring in help....how the players look at it as well.

After sitting around in 2011 and last year, not getting any help..... I am not surprised anymore. The budget is done and set. Record be damned.


Great to see Diaz given an inning in a close game by Price. Good work..Jumbo.

[Magdal]

I was going to "bite" --- by saying he is the formerly known as Leviathan Diaz -- now known as JumboA veritable mountain of man. Ooo-la la

Jeez! Your guys hitting a ton, just short. C'mon Frazier.

[Tom Servo]

We're bad again. :(

[RedsBrick]

Astounding to me that Votto only has 6 HRs and it's July

[Red Raindog]

3 K's and an infield pop out by Votto --- doubt he's ever had that line score

[dubc47834]

Well that was ugly!

[Red Raindog]

Astounding to me that Votto only has 6 HRs and it's July

one one leg and missed time ---

[Tony Cloninger]

We know the reason for Joey struggling...... what is the reason for Jay doing what he is doing?

He is supposed to be healthy. Nowhere near the injury issue that Joey is dealing with.

[Red Raindog]

We know the reason for Joey struggling...... what is the reason for Jay doing what he is doing?

He is supposed to be healthy. Nowhere near the injury issue that Joey is dealing with.

He's got the same BA as Cozart --- that stuns me

[dubc47834]

If they haven't already, teams are going to start pitching to Votto. Specially Votto with no power.

[RedsBrick]

one one leg and missed time ---

The missed time would certainly effect his usual totals for this point in the season but it should be significantly more than 6 even with the missed time.

As far as the hobbled leg, if it's affecting him that much he probably shouldn't be in the 3 hole.

[Mutaman]

3 shutouts in the last 5 games by guys named Hahn, Ross, and Garza. And Jay hasn't been on base in any of those games.

[Billy_Bearcat]

Another wasted pitching gem.

[villain612]

7456

[Tony Cloninger]

You can curse the baseball gods or bad luck....... but time to start doing something to help you. Time to make some moves and not hope for the best ...once again.

It is like they are waiting for that magic time from 2012 where they played well/great with Votto hurt. It happened ONCE....does not mean it can happen again.

I would put Votto 2nd, Frazier 3rd, Mez 4th and Phillips 5th, Bruce 6th. If people worry that Devin will take too much on his shoulders hitting 4th, put Ludwick there and Devin 5th.

[Tom Servo]

The problem ain't the lineup, it's the production. Joey isn't producing like he should, and neither is Jay. I'm not angry at them like other posters, especially since Votto obviously isn't healthy, but it is what it is.

[BluegrassRedleg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkFQHScyti0

[Tony Cloninger]

The problem ain't the lineup, it's the production. Joey isn't producing like he should, and neither is Jay. I'm not angry at them like other posters, especially since Votto obviously isn't healthy, but it is what it is.

Votto is not going to be moved down. Might as well put him 2nd and use his OB skills.

Besides that there is only the DL and for Walt to again.... NOT think 2012 will magically happen just because it did before.

[dsmith421]

Just sit around and hope it gets better. The Jocketty way.

[dubc47834]

Just sit around and hope it gets better. The Jocketty way.

Not much I can really say about this post!!!

[dsmith421]

Not much I can really say about this post!!!

I have more exclamation points!!! !

[dubc47834]

I have more exclamation points!!! !

You want a cookie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tony Cloninger]

I have more exclamation points!!! !

I don't know what we're yelling about!!!!

[Tom Servo]

Just sit around and hope it gets better. The Jocketty way.
The hyper-activity of Bowden and Krivsky really generated a lot of success, huh?

[WVRedsFan]

We're wither facing from tremendous pitching (even from guys who have ERA's at 4+) or we have the dumbest hitters in the history of the game. Either way, this team hs been shut out 10 times this year and several of them 1-0. We've avoided being no-hit and yet we see the same thing in each of those--just a poor construction of lineup and a poor knowledge of the strike zone. Jay and Joey are shadows of their former selves because of injuries. Ludwick is held out when he doesn't hit just because and his stastics are better than Shumacher's. This is a fastball hitting team and teams have learned that and rarely, except when they make a mistake, throw curves. That won't last over time, but for now the Reds are their own worst enemy. It will turn around, but we are fighting for the wild card and two of our own division are ahead of us. It might take a miracle, but I believe in miracles to a point.

[WVRedsFan]

The hyper-activity of Bowden and Krivsky really generated a lot of success, huh?Not. I do believe that the big contracts for Joey and others have tied Walt's hands. In racing we say you have to spend money you don't have to make speed. Maybe it's time for Walt to spend money to make money?

[Tony Cloninger]

We're wither facing from tremendous pitching (even from guys who have ERA's at 4+) or we have the dumbest hitters in the history of the game. Either way, this team hs been shut out 10 times this year and several of them 1-0. We've avoided being no-hit and yet we see the same thing in each of those--just a poor construction of lineup and a poor knowledge of the strike zone. Jay and Joey are shadows of their former selves because of injuries. Ludwick is held out when he doesn't hit just because and his stastics are better than Shumacher's. This is a fastball hitting team and teams have learned that and rarely, except when they make a mistake, throw curves. That won't last over time, but for now the Reds are their own worst enemy. It will turn around, but we are fighting for the wild card and two of our own division are ahead of us. It might take a miracle, but I believe in miracles to a point.


I am surprised you are this optimistic, with the injury to Joey and Jay regressing badly.....I mean the injury cannot be an excuse for him being unable to flat out not even hit at all, for even doubles power.

Walt's inability to do anything and if it is due to money then be more creative. I don't mean sticking Pena as the 1B either if Joey goes back on the DL.