Lebron back to Ohio?

[RedTeamGo!]

Cleveland just cleared enough cap space to make room for a max contract

Welcome home, Lebron

[redsfan30]

I'm actually starting to believe this could happen.

[jimbo]

Would Cleveland fans accept him back and embrace him as they did before he went to Miami? There was a lot of bitterness on how he left. Sports fans are pretty fickle though, so I'm guessing all would be forgiven.

Personally, I can't stand the guy and I'm not an NBA fan, so I could care less where he goes. I just tire of the constant media attention he gets.

[SunDeck]

Would Cleveland fans accept him back and embrace him as they did before he went to Miami? There was a lot of bitterness on how he left. Sports fans are pretty fickle though, so I'm guessing all would be forgiven.

Personally, I can't stand the guy and I'm not an NBA fan, so I could care less where he goes. I just tire of the constant media attention he gets.

I remember being surprised at the vitriol expressed towards Jr. when he came home. And he had never played for the Reds.
But if James brings the wins, it's probably a little different, don't you think? Winning cures a lot.

[bucksfan2]

Would Cleveland fans accept him back and embrace him as they did before he went to Miami? There was a lot of bitterness on how he left. Sports fans are pretty fickle though, so I'm guessing all would be forgiven.

Personally, I can't stand the guy and I'm not an NBA fan, so I could care less where he goes. I just tire of the constant media attention he gets.

I don't care for Bron Bron either. I don't watch the NBA sans for the playoffs and maybe a time or two when I am visiting relatives. I don't care for all the media attention he gets, I just don't care. I am interested in where Bron Bron goes because right now it is the 2nd leading story in sports (after the World Cup). As someone who watched the NBA during Michael's reign and pretty much stopped after that, here are my thoughts. Bron Bron has always been worried about his legacy. He joined Wade and Bosh to win championships, not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4...7, because he wanted to catch Jordan. He got all kinds of backlash he didn't expect for his poor Decision. Right now I think his legacy is tarnished a little bit for having to join em in order to beat em. I think he has two options here, go back to Miami or go to Cleveland. He can't become a guy who is the best player in the NBA and also a mercenary, going to wherever he has the best chance to win now but will change the next season.

I think it comes down to, does he want to go back to Miami with an aging and ineffective Wade and Bosh? Or does he want to go to Cleveland with Irving, Wiggins, and a bunch of young talent? I think he goes to Cleveland, as long as he can reconcile somewhat with Gilbert. Gilbert may be Miami's only chance.

[jredmo2]

Cleveland fans are so desperate for a championship, the Decision would become a distant memory.

[Caveat Emperor]

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/52a4d93eeab8ea801919d04c/image.jpg

[jimbo]

I am interested in where Bron Bron goes because right now it is the 2nd leading story in sports (after the World Cup).

How do we know this? Is it based on facts or is it just because this is the story the sports media is spoon feeding us? I have a lot of friends who are sports nuts, not one of them care about the NBA or James. I realize that's not a scientific analysis, just my observation.

I joke around with my friends about how ESPN should rename themselves to ELJN. He is their top story everyday. Just went to their website and low and behold, his mug is on the front page and the top three story lines are LeBron related, and I fear it will only get worse if he goes back to Cleveland. For that reason alone, I hope he stays in Miami, or goes anywhere else but Cleveland.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

A radio host for ESPN Cleveland reported on Wednesday that the Cavaliers "have a deal in place" for Kevin Love, but the report has been refuted by Wolves beat writer Jon Krawczynski.

Sam Amico of Fox Sports Ohio also reported that the Cavs may be "pursuing" Love, but the report of a done deal was simply incorrect. The Cavs do have enough assets to offer a compelling package if they go that direction, with No. 1 pick Andrew Wiggins as the primary draw, but they'd be unlikely to pull the trigger with LeBron James still in play.

Source: Tony Rizzo on Twitter

[Ohayou]

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/52a4d93eeab8ea801919d04c/image.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MWdmH.gif

[Slyder]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

A radio host for ESPN Cleveland reported on Wednesday that the Cavaliers "have a deal in place" for Kevin Love, but the report has been refuted by Wolves beat writer Jon Krawczynski.

Sam Amico of Fox Sports Ohio also reported that the Cavs may be "pursuing" Love, but the report of a done deal was simply incorrect. The Cavs do have enough assets to offer a compelling package if they go that direction, with No. 1 pick Andrew Wiggins as the primary draw, but they'd be unlikely to pull the trigger with LeBron James still in play.

Source: Tony Rizzo on Twitter

So would they have money for both Bron AND Love? If so (I'm not going to even try to understand the NBA salary cap) are you looking at the following....
PG Kyrie Irving
SG Dion Waiters
SF LeBron James
PF Tristan Thompson
C Kevin Love

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

The NBA announced the 2014-15 salary cap will be $63.065 million and the tax level also increases to $76.829 million.

This is up from just under $59 million last year and now players can officially be signed on Thursday. This is basically the expectation coming in from most teams, so it's not really going to have any major effects in how free agency shakes out. Additionally, the cap apron will also increase to $80.829 million for teams using non-taxpayer exceptions, and the salary floor is at $56.759 million.


The Cavaliers are pursuing a Kevin Love trade with the Wolves, contingent on the signing of LeBron James, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports.

It's one thing to pursue a trade, it's another to make it. The Cavs have a lot of speculation surrounding their team right now, but adding Kevin Love to LeBron makes sense considering they'd need some help up front. The Cavs would almost certainly have to give up Andrew Wiggins to make this deal work while also getting rid of guys like Anderson Varejao.


Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter

[redsfan30]

Sounds like its a done deal. 8:00 announcement expected.

Chris Sheridan is the source.

[Joseph]

I'm not an NBA fan, and not a LeBron fan, but for whatever reason I'd like him to go back.

[bucksfan2]

1948 has always been a special year for me and my northern friends. Granted 1990 is getting further and further away.

I would like to see LeBron go back to Cleveland. I probably wouldn't root for him, but it would be something to give my Cleveland friend hope.

[Sea Ray]

Sounds like its a done deal. 8:00 announcement expected.

Chris Sheridan is the source.

AM or PM?

[redsfan30]

Obviously nothing has happened yet but Chris Sheridan is standing by his story. Steven A. Smith said on Mike and Mike this morning he believes LeBron is going to Cleveland.

Apparently Pat Riley asked LeBron for one more night to sleep on it and LeBron gave him that. He is reportedly talking to his family today before he makes his decision public.

[redsfan30]

I've been listening to Cleveland sports radio pretty much non-stop since yesterday morning. Today there is a completely different tone on the radio than yesterday. Yesterday was almost a day of celebration. When nothing was announced last night as everyone anticipated it seems like they've gone into "Cleveland sports fan mode." They are very guarded today and almost sound down. There is a tone of "here we go again."

LeBron has not said anything personally that he is coming back but he also has not put out the order to stop this madness. He is a smart man. He knows what's happened in Cleveland over the past 24 hours. I still feel he's coming back. However if he does not, I think there will be a backlash that will make 2010 seem like they were being nice to him.

[tomnuetten]

altough I am playing basketball in german (in a league) I don´t follow professional basketball that much.... I don´t like the cavs, I don´t like lebron => it would be a good fit :)
I like the way san antonio plays (team play, not one go to guy taking 282902 shots a game) and root a bit for pacers and celtics thanks to former players etc.

[RedTeamGo!]

7514

[Yachtzee]

A lot of people in the Akron area would welcome LeBron back to the Cavs. He still does a lot of charitable works in the city and maintains a house in Bath Township.

[gilpdawg]

7514

DET! Loved him with the Pacers, although they were better after they traded him for McKey.

[Kingspoint]

altough I am playing basketball in german (in a league) I don´t follow professional basketball that much.... I don´t like the cavs, I don´t like lebron => it would be a good fit :)
I like the way san antonio plays (team play, not one go to guy taking 282902 shots a game) and root a bit for pacers and celtics thanks to former players etc.

Chris Kaman is a Trail Blazer now, and they're Offensive design is almost identical to the Spurs.

[WMR]

Seeing all the Cav fans do a 180 would be amusing.

[Razor Shines]

altough I am playing basketball in german (in a league) I don´t follow professional basketball that much.... I don´t like the cavs, I don´t like lebron => it would be a good fit :)
I like the way san antonio plays (team play, not one go to guy taking 282902 shots a game) and root a bit for pacers and celtics thanks to former players etc.

Lebron shoots all the time? Like you said, you don't watch much basketball.

[RedTeamGo!]

I think LeBron is going back to Miami and I do not think he had any intention of leaving.

[tomnuetten]

Lebron shoots all the time? Like you said, you don't watch much basketball.

where did I say that lebron shoots all the time? :help:

[improbus]

You know what would really useful and awesome? LeBron should announce his decision on television and made millions for charity at the same time. I can't believe no one has thought of this.

[redsfan30]

According to ESPN, the holdup is the letter that Dan Gilbert wrote 4 years ago.

Not looking good for Cleveland.

Not looking good for Chris Sheridan's career, either! Haha

[Stray]

I like how people just make up rumors, cite sources, and hope to be right. There's downside to being wrong anymore. Lebron's web devs using placeholder pages with Cleveland Cav's hex codes, Mike Miller posting cryptic instragram photos, Lebron seen with Wade in an airport at this time..etc. Just make it stop.

I'm avoiding ESPN and the other sports networks as much as possible until this thing is over. If it weren't so sad it might be hilarious.

[RedTeamGo!]

According to ESPN, the holdup is the letter that Dan Gilbert wrote 4 years ago.

Not looking good for Cleveland.

Not looking good for Chris Sheridan's career, either! Haha

That Dan Gilbert letter should be an example for everyone from all walks of life:

Never ever ever ever EVER burn bridges.

There is absolutely nothing good that can come out of burning bridges.

[Caveat Emperor]

The letter is nothing more than a convenient and plausible excuse for LeBron to float publicly that absolves him of all responsibility for -- essentially -- using Cleveland (and his possible return) as leverage to exact the best possible deal from Miami or wherever he ends up.

He (or he via his people) played Cleveland for a fool again. This time, though, he got smarter about leaving himself an out for why he did it.

[RedTeamGo!]

The letter is nothing more than a convenient and plausible excuse for LeBron to float publicly that absolves him of all responsibility for -- essentially -- using Cleveland (and his possible return) as leverage to exact the best possible deal from Miami or wherever he ends up.

He (or he via his people) played Cleveland for a fool again. This time, though, he got smarter about leaving himself an out for why he did it.

LeBron doesn't need leverage. He is going to get a max contract wherever he signs.

[bucksfan2]

That Dan Gilbert letter should be an example for everyone from all walks of life:

Never ever ever ever EVER burn bridges.

There is absolutely nothing good that can come out of burning bridges.

Dan Gilbert is worth $3.9B I don't think he cares about burning bridges.

There are plenty of professional athletes who play with owners that they don't see eye to eye with.

Personally I don't think the letter is a hold up. I think these beat reporters are doing whatever they can to drum up new news. LeBron and his camp have always been very tight lipped, when ESPN leads and stays on LeBron for entire hours they need something to talk about.

[Caveat Emperor]

LeBron doesn't need leverage. He is going to get a max contract wherever he signs.

It isn't about LeBron's money -- it's about how the rest of the team's money gets spent.

[improbus]

It isn't about LeBron's money -- it's about how the rest of the team's money gets spent.
Letter or not, there are 29 teams that would do anything LeBron says to get him on their roster. Cleveland dumped a number of players at the hint of LeBron coming back. The Spurs are the only team I can think of that wouldn't demolish their roster and do whatever he says (and they would be foolish to do so) to get him.

[improbus]

Has anyone considered this scenario if LeBron bolts to Cleveland? Someone has to tell Udonis Haslem to his face that he lost millions of dollars for nothing by opting out. I would like to meet the person brave enough to do that, because that is not me.

[Sea Ray]

This whole scenario is one of many reasons why I'm not a fan of the NBA. It's the players running the asylum and the word manipulating might not even be too strong a word to use. The players can get together and decide which team they want to make the NBA's favorite. It's not a matter of GM's building a team. It's not a matter of coaches coaching. He who lands LeBron and Co wins. This has got to make it suck to be a fan in the NBA.

[tomnuetten]

This whole scenario is one of many reasons why I'm not a fan of the NBA. It's the players running the asylum and the word manipulating might not even be too strong a word to use. The players can get together and decide which team they want to make the NBA's favorite. It's not a matter of GM's building a team. It's not a matter of coaches coaching. He who lands LeBron and Co wins. This has got to make it suck to be a fan in the NBA.

of course the chance that the team wins rises big time, but the past did show that multiple superstars chosing a team isn´t a guarantee to win it all...

[improbus]

This whole scenario is one of many reasons why I'm not a fan of the NBA. It's the players running the asylum and the word manipulating might not even be too strong a word to use. The players can get together and decide which team they want to make the NBA's favorite. It's not a matter of GM's building a team. It's not a matter of coaches coaching. He who lands LeBron and Co wins. This has got to make it suck to be a fan in the NBA.

I couldn't disagree more. I love that the players have the power in that league. They should. It is their career, not ours, not the GM's, not the owners. Why should I care about the job done by middle-managers?

[RedTeamGo!]

It's not a matter of coaches coaching. He who lands LeBron and Co wins.

The San Antonio Spurs disagree.

[Slyder]

The San Antonio Spurs disagree.

Dallas Mavs also.

[improbus]

The San Antonio Spurs disagree.
I like how the Spurs are the example of "team" and the "anti-superstar" team. They have a top 10 all timer and a bunch of future Hall of Fame guys. They certainly play well as a team but it isn't like Miami was an iso-ball club. They were 7th in the league in assists in 12-13 and were almost pathologically unselfish. Really, the teams were almost statistical mirrors of one another. The difference in 13-14 was that Miami's role players fell off a cliff. It wasn't some referendum on star ball.

[RedTeamGo!]

I like how the Spurs are the example of "team" and the "anti-superstar" team. They have a top 10 all timer and a bunch of future Hall of Fame guys. They certainly play well as a team but it isn't like Miami was an iso-ball club. They were 7th in the league in assists in 12-13 and were almost pathologically unselfish. Really, the teams were almost statistical mirrors of one another. The difference in 13-14 was that Miami's role players fell off a cliff. It wasn't some referendum on star ball.

I was responding to his "He who lands LeBron and Co wins" comment.

[improbus]

I was responding to his "He who lands LeBron and Co wins" comment.

It doesn't guarantee winning. Nothing does. But he has been in the Finals in 5 of his 11 seasons, so your chances are as good as anyone. Them's good odds.

[medford]

where did I say that lebron shoots all the time? :help:

I'l go out on a limb and say the part bolded below is where he believes you implied that LeBron is a ball hog, which couldn't be further from the truth, if anything he's too unselfish at times, and it goes back beyond his HS days when he could have dominated just about any game, but often used his abilities to set up teammates and get them a bunch of good shots.


altough I am playing basketball in german (in a league) I don´t follow professional basketball that much.... I don´t like the cavs, I don´t like lebron => it would be a good fit :)
I like the way san antonio plays (team play, not one go to guy taking 282902 shots a game) and root a bit for pacers and celtics thanks to former players etc.

[tomnuetten]

that is wrong... lebron does take lots of shots but he has a great fg% and has good passing abilities..

I refered to players like melo, derozan, wall, green etc. who do shoot way to much imo...

[marcshoe]

I heard LeBron's going to sign a minor league contract with the White Sox, but I could be confusing him with someone else. I don't watch basketball much.

[tomnuetten]

so according to everyone on the internet, he is returning to ohio...

[RedTeamGo!]

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/11/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers

Lebron's letter to everyone

[WVRed]

LeBron back to Cleveland. City burns to the ground in 5....4...3...2...1

[improbus]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!! Congrats to Cleveland. Congrats to LeBron. I love that dude so much. I'm ordering my McBob jersey as we speak.

[nmculbreth]

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/11/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers

Lebron's letter to everyone

The Letter >>>> The Decision.

[Caveat Emperor]

Didn't think he would ever come back to work for Dan Gilbert (a dude who literally sold leftover LeBron James gear for $17.41 because that was the year of Benedict Arnold's birth) -- congrats to Cleveland on getting the best player in the league to come home.

[redsfan30]

I think that letter will undo every bad feeling from 2010. That was an amazing piece.

[RedTeamGo!]

It was a good piece.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

LeBron James will return to Cleveland as a member of the Cavaliers, he announced on Friday.

James will spurn the Heat to re-sign with the hometown franchise he left in heartbreaking fashion in 2010. In an exclusive interview with SI.com titled "I'm Coming Home," James says, "My relationship with Northeast Ohio is bigger than basketball. I didn’t realize that four years ago. I do now." His momentous decision should have an immediate chain reaction. Carmelo Anthony and other free agents are now freed to make their own decisions, and Chris Bosh may accept a max offer from the Rockets. The Cavs also have a rumored trade offer to the Wolves for Kevin Love, which would undoubtedly involve Andrew Wiggins. While the Cavs instantly become a championship contender with LeBron on board, the Heat are left patching together their roster as they enter the post-LeBron era.

Source: SI.com (http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/11/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers)

[Kingspoint]

Congratulations, Cleveland.

Three straight #1 picks and now LeBron.

The basketball Gods are looking down on Cleveland.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I don't think you could go from a more wrong way to leave to a more right way to come back. That essay is excellent.

I'm not a Cavs fan, but I always root for Ohio and am happy for the Cleveland fans.

[WVRed]

Congratulations, Cleveland.

Three straight #1 picks and now LeBron.

The basketball Gods are looking down on Cleveland.

There was a year in between Kyrie Irving and Anthony Bennett. New Orleans selected Anthony Davis.

[Tom Servo]

So is LeBron going to wear those ugly red and yellow uniforms they have been rocking since he left?

[Reds Freak]

So is LeBron going to wear those ugly red and yellow uniforms they have been rocking since he left?

My guess is LeBron is going to wear whatever LeBron wants to wear.

[Patrick Bateman]

“The plan all along”.

They were too incompetent to give him good players, so by leaving he basically manufactured his own, better supporting cast.
He should be the GM.

Seriously, how incredible is it that Lebron basically singled handedly acquired three first overall picks to play with him, while winning 2 NBA champs during the process?

This is like Drogba - civil war ending caliber of awesome.

[Kingspoint]

There was a year in between Kyrie Irving and Anthony Bennett. New Orleans selected Anthony Davis.

Judas!

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

Kevin Love is reportedly "intrigued" by the idea of playing with LeBron James and Kyrie Irving on the Cavaliers, and would commit to a long-term contract in Cleveland.

In late June the Cavs' pursuit of Love was reportedly dead in the water because he refused to re-sign with them, but as usual LeBron is a game-changer. The Cavs are rumored to have made an offer centered around No. 1 pick Andrew Wiggins, and the Wolves may be hard-pressed to get a better offer, so this could quickly progress. For now, however, it remains only a fascinating possibility.

Source: Marc Stein on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

had this post in wrong place.

[Yachtzee]

A lot of people around here were deeply hurt by the way he left. It wasn't so much that he left, but the way he did it, on national TV after having an entire city ingratiate itself to try to get him to stay. I think the essay may be exactly what was needed to heal the wounds for those who still had hard feelings about The Decision. Well played, Mr.James.

Me, I'm not much of a basketball fan, but if LeBron comes back from the World Cup and announces he's bringing a pro soccer team to Northeast Ohio, I'd be his fan. F.C. James? Make it so.

[RedTeamGo!]

Real LeBronBron

[bucksfan2]

I have never really been a LeBron fan but this letter and brutal honesty may have me rooting for the Cavs.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

ESPN is reporting that the Cavaliers have opened up trade talks with the Timberwolves with a deal involving Dion Waiters, Anthony Bennett, a draft pick, and Andrew Wiggins.

Kevin Love would sign an extension to play alongside LeBron James and Kyrie Irving, so Cleveland will probably do everything in their power to bring Love on board. This offer is probably one of the better offers Minnesota has received, and a larger offer from Cleveland may entice Golden State to finally include Klay Thompson in their proposal.

Source: Adam Levitan on Twitter

[Sea Ray]

I couldn't disagree more. I love that the players have the power in that league. They should. It is their career, not ours, not the GM's, not the owners. Why should I care about the job done by middle-managers?

What fun would it be if all the Reds stars left as FAs to play for another team leaving one team as a powerhouse and others as little sisters of the poor? You need a competitive balance. If I was a fan of the Miami Heat (likewise the Cavs of 4 yrs ago) I'd cancel my season tickets. This is great for the Cavs but what does this do for the other teams?

[Sea Ray]

Congratulations, Cleveland.

Three straight #1 picks and now LeBron.

The basketball Gods are looking down on Cleveland.

Think they can still blow it and not win a championship? It's Cleveland. I think they can

[RedTeamGo!]

Think they can still blow it and not win a championship? It's Cleveland. I think they can

Lebron does not automatically = championship

He even said that in his letter

[Ohayou]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

ESPN is reporting that the Cavaliers have opened up trade talks with the Timberwolves with a deal involving Dion Waiters, Anthony Bennett, a draft pick, and Andrew Wiggins.

Kevin Love would sign an extension to play alongside LeBron James and Kyrie Irving, so Cleveland will probably do everything in their power to bring Love on board. This offer is probably one of the better offers Minnesota has received, and a larger offer from Cleveland may entice Golden State to finally include Klay Thompson in their proposal.

Source: Adam Levitan on Twitter

Eh, I imagine Wiggins alone would get it done. If LaVine makes a successful transition to PG, man oh man. Those two paired together would be crazy fun to watch.

[Sea Ray]

Lebron does not automatically = championship

He even said that in his letter

Did you think he would?

[RedTeamGo!]

Did you think he would?

Did I think he would what?

[Sea Ray]

Did I think he would what?

Guarantee a championship

[Tom Servo]

http://i.imgur.com/bL9z2DA.gif

[redsfan30]

^^^^

That's awesome!

[Kingspoint]

Eh, I imagine Wiggins alone would get it done. If LaVine makes a successful transition to PG, man oh man. Those two paired together would be crazy fun to watch.

Wiggins, #1 pick he may be, is still unproven. Greg Oden was a #1 pick.

Love is proven, time and again.

It will take a heck of a lot more than Wiggins to pry Love away from Minnesota, even with Love having a foot halfway out the door of the Twin Cities.

[Kingspoint]

Wade just lost about $30M.

[dubc47834]

I like this move for James. I hate this move for the city of Cleveland because of the way they acted when he left. They were such sore losers. I know Lebron's "decision" was not well thought out, but really, Clevelands reaction was horrible. Like the cling-on girl you just broke up with. James decision this time was about as perfect as it could be I think. Also, this moves my Pacers to the top of the Eastern Conference for at least a year. At least until Lebron meshes with his new teammates. If they get Kevin Love, look out in a year because Love is waaaaaaay underrated!!!

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Wade just lost about $30M.

ESPN is saying it's about 44 million....ouch

[BuckeyeRed27]

[QUOTE=dubc47834;3133473]I like this move for James. I hate this move for the city of Cleveland because of the way they acted when he left. They were such sore losers. I know Lebron's "decision" was not well thought out, but really, Clevelands reaction was horrible. Like the cling-on girl you just broke up with. James decision this time was about as perfect as it could be I think. Also, this moves my Pacers to the top of the Eastern Conference for at least a year. At least until Lebron meshes with his new teammates. If they get Kevin Love, look out in a year because Love is waaaaaaay underrated!!!

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Say what you want about the fan's reaction, but that is the exact reason he is coming back. It matters to those fans in a way that goes beyond basketball.

[Donder]

Did you think he would?

Not 1, not 2...

[Razor Shines]

[QUOTE=dubc47834;3133473]I like this move for James. I hate this move for the city of Cleveland because of the way they acted when he left. They were such sore losers. I know Lebron's "decision" was not well thought out, but really, Clevelands reaction was horrible. Like the cling-on girl you just broke up with. James decision this time was about as perfect as it could be I think. Also, this moves my Pacers to the top of the Eastern Conference for at least a year. At least until Lebron meshes with his new teammates. If they get Kevin Love, look out in a year because Love is waaaaaaay underrated!!!

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As a Pacer fan I'd like to believe that but I think the Cavs are the #1 team in the East right now. Tons of talent seems to mesh quicker than not as much talent, funny how that is.

[tomnuetten]

Love is a good player and if the cavs get him they´ll be tough to beat (on paper)...

I could understand the reaction from cavs fans. I think that he left wasn´t the biggest factor, the way he did it was pretty bad. But it will be interesting if those who burned his jersey (I´ll never understand why someone would do it) are wearing a new one next season or if he´ll get "some" boo birds (I doubt it)

[PepperJack]

The Reds resident NBA Insider knew this months ago...



ctrent @ctrent · 2h
Jay Bruce was the first person who told me LeBron would go back to Cleveland this year. A couple of months ago he said that to me

[Brutus]

“The plan all along”.

They were too incompetent to give him good players, so by leaving he basically manufactured his own, better supporting cast.
He should be the GM.

Seriously, how incredible is it that Lebron basically singled handedly acquired three first overall picks to play with him, while winning 2 NBA champs during the process?

This is like Drogba - civil war ending caliber of awesome.

They weren't incompetent, they simply didn't have any flexibility within the cap. The Heat were so bad and had no contracts on the books, they were able to do anything it took to bring in the big three. Remember that when LeBron got there, the Cavs were bad, but Gilbert and Ferry took over a mess in 2005. They wanted to get LeBron help, but they had some awful contracts and couldn't do it. They tried to get Amare Stoudamire, but didn't have any cap space. They had to go out and get Antwan Jamison to prove to LeBron they were 'trying' to win, but ultimately they were damned if they did damned if they didn't because it was Jamison's contract that also handicapped them in 2010 offseason.

The Cavs front office under Gilbert and while LeBron was there wasn't incompetent. They simply didn't have flexibility to do what the Heat did.

[15fan]

At some point in the last few weeks, this conversation actually happened.

"Hon, what would you think about packing up the house and moving?"

"I don't know. You have any place specific in mind?"

"Well, I've been thinking...South Florida has been nice, but I think I'd like to move back to Cleveland."

To those of us who live outside the Buckeye state, this is absolutely mind-blowing.

[Slyder]

At some point in the last few weeks, this conversation actually happened.

"Hon, what would you think about packing up the house and moving?"

"I don't know. You have any place specific in mind?"

"Well, I've been thinking...South Florida has been nice, but I think I'd like to move back to Cleveland."

To those of us who live outside the Buckeye state, this is absolutely mind-blowing.

Isn't his wife from the Akron area also?

[dubc47834]

[QUOTE=dubc47834;3133473]I like this move for James. I hate this move for the city of Cleveland because of the way they acted when he left. They were such sore losers. I know Lebron's "decision" was not well thought out, but really, Clevelands reaction was horrible. Like the cling-on girl you just broke up with. James decision this time was about as perfect as it could be I think. Also, this moves my Pacers to the top of the Eastern Conference for at least a year. At least until Lebron meshes with his new teammates. If they get Kevin Love, look out in a year because Love is waaaaaaay underrated!!!

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As a Pacer fan I'd like to believe that but I think the Cavs are the #1 team in the East right now. Tons of talent seems to mesh quicker than not as much talent, funny how that is.

The year after next, yes. Next year I have the Pacers and Bulls as better.

[RiverRat13]

At some point in the last few weeks, this conversation actually happened.

"Hon, what would you think about packing up the house and moving?"

"I don't know. You have any place specific in mind?"

"Well, I've been thinking...South Florida has been nice, but I think I'd like to move back to Cleveland."

To those of us who live outside the Buckeye state, this is absolutely mind-blowing.

They already live in Akron.

[Magdal]

When he left Cleveland and put on that show with Wade and Bosh I disliked him intensely. But as a Bulls fan when it was suggested that he might land in Chicago I must admit my dislike decreased...greatly.

Now that he's going back home it's all good. Ohio is overdue for a great team not named Reds. (are you listening Browns?) ;)

[villain612]

I graduated the same year as LeBron. My basketball team was Division III in Ohio, same as his. Had my team won 3 more games in the playoffs, I could've played against him but we lost in the District finals.

Anyway, I don't watch must basketball now, but Miami Heats fans are really obnoxious here in Florida so I've always rooted against him and the Heat.

However, I read the letter. It was pretty great stuff. I will probably root for him now.

[paintmered]

I attended one of the schools that played St. Vincent-St. Mary in the finals against Lebron - watched him from the 2nd row at Schottenstein. I remember being not very impressed, and this is why I'm not a professional NBA scout.

Anyways, college basketball comes first in my book. I'm happy for Cleveland but it's not going to cause me to pay more attention to the NBA or the Cavs.

Edit: I suppose it caused me to click on this thread. Alright, I guess you win this time, Lebron.

[Kingspoint]

[QUOTE=dubc47834;3133473]I like this move for James. I hate this move for the city of Cleveland because of the way they acted when he left. They were such sore losers. I know Lebron's "decision" was not well thought out, but really, Clevelands reaction was horrible. Like the cling-on girl you just broke up with. James decision this time was about as perfect as it could be I think. Also, this moves my Pacers to the top of the Eastern Conference for at least a year. At least until Lebron meshes with his new teammates. If they get Kevin Love, look out in a year because Love is waaaaaaay underrated!!!

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As a Pacer fan I'd like to believe that but I think the Cavs are the #1 team in the East right now. Tons of talent seems to mesh quicker than not as much talent, funny how that is.

It takes at least a year for new teammates to learn to play Defense together. Cleveland can't win a championship in 2014-15 even if they got Love. The next year though, they've got to be even money favorites, Love or no Love. Maybe LeBron will inspire Irving to try to play some Defense for a change.

[improbus]

It takes at least a year for new teammates to learn to play Defense together. Cleveland can't win a championship in 2014-15 even if they got Love. The next year though, they've got to be even money favorites, Love or no Love. Maybe LeBron will inspire Irving to try to play some Defense for a change.

During the first Heat season, they were ranked 5th in defense. When the Celtics got Garnett and Allen they immediately became the best defensive team in the game. It took Miami two years to perfect their offense and Boston never did. San Antonio became a top 3 defense the second Duncan stepped on the court and didn't become this offensive juggernaut for almost a decade. A good, fluid offense takes longer to build.

[Stray]

Good for Cleveland fans, but I'm not sold on the Cavs being immediate title contenders. I've never thought much of Kyrie, but I admittedly don't watch a ton of Cavs games. It always felt like he just cared about getting numbers and some games I watched it looked like he was giving about 50% effort. I love Wiggins' future in the NBA, but his jumper still needs work, in a few years I think he'll be very very good. I guess if they get Love they could become really good really fast, but I dunno if really good is better than the Spurs, Thunder or Clippers. And I don't think I'd part with Wiggins for Love, but if Lebron pushes it I bet it'll happen.

[Raisor]

Espn reporting his contract is for two years and he can option out after one.

[Kingspoint]

During the first Heat season, they were ranked 5th in defense. When the Celtics got Garnett and Allen they immediately became the best defensive team in the game. It took Miami two years to perfect their offense and Boston never did. San Antonio became a top 3 defense the second Duncan stepped on the court and didn't become this offensive juggernaut for almost a decade. A good, fluid offense takes longer to build.

I don't care what basketball number you come up with to make the Heat #5 their first season defensively. They weren't very good. They were middle-of-the-road. They were as often horrible on a given night as they were good on a given night. Their Offense bailed them out time and time again their first season together. They were easily exploited by good teams because of their average Defense their first season together.

The first season that the Celtics were together, they were not the best Defensive team in the league. They were the biggest whiners, the biggest hackers, and as a result, was able to be over-aggressive without having to pay for it through getting fouls called against them.

The NBA is so often a joke when it comes to who they decide to favor one year to the next. No bigger example than Dwayne Wade, when he was not ever allowed to be touched by another human being without sending him to the free throw line for at least seven seasons. The last two years, Wade can't buy a foul call even when he gets hammered. It's ridiculous. Harden is now what Wade was during his prime regarding receiving unwarranted trips to the free-throw line, though Wade was much more talented than Harden ever was. Harden isn't even a Top-25 Guard, as far as talent is concerned. At least with Wade, he was still a Top-5 Guard for years. He didn't need the help the referees gave him. Harden is nothing without the refs. All of his points come from unwarranted trips to the free-throw line, while he's one of the five worst Defensive Guards in the NBA.

Back to the Celtics. Again, they were extremely aggressive, making it difficult for other teams to get into their Offenses, but they were aggressive because they weren't called for the fouls they were committing. Anyone can play that kind of Defense if the referees allow you to do so, and an opposing team's "stats" will reflect that.

With Miami, they went from being pure average Defensively LeBron's first season together, to being elite their second and third season together. They partied way too much last season, and were not very good Defensively during the regular season. They tried to turn it on during the playoffs, but you can't play like that. San Antonio destroyed them in the playoffs and made their Defense look like it did during their worst moments of 2014. They lost their passion after winning back-to-back Championships. It showed throughout the regular season last year. They didn't play like a Champion.

[Kingspoint]

It doesn't matter who Cleveland adds this off-season.

There is no way that they make the NBA Finals out of the East, even as easy as it is to get through the East. If they were in the West, they'd be lucky to make the playoffs.

2015-16 is a whole other matter....I expect them to be playing in the Eastern Conference Finals regardless of who they add to their team (if LeBron doesn't opt out). Defense gets you to the elite levels and it will take Cleveland at least a year-and-a-half to learn how to play Defense at an elite level. The Clippers and Rockets discovered that last season (two seasons for the Clippers now).

[improbus]

I don't care what basketball number you come up with to make the Heat #5 their first season defensively. They weren't very good. They were middle-of-the-road. They were as often horrible on a given night as they were good on a given night. Their Offense bailed them out time and time again their first season together. They were easily exploited by good teams because of their average Defense their first season together.

The first season that the Celtics were together, they were not the best Defensive team in the league. They were the biggest whiners, the biggest hackers, and as a result, was able to be over-aggressive without having to pay for it through getting fouls called against them.

The NBA is so often a joke when it comes to who they decide to favor one year to the next. No bigger example than Dwayne Wade, when he was not ever allowed to be touched by another human being without sending him to the free throw line for at least seven seasons. The last two years, Wade can't buy a foul call even when he gets hammered. It's ridiculous. Harden is now what Wade was during his prime regarding receiving unwarranted trips to the free-throw line, though Wade was much more talented than Harden ever was. Harden isn't even a Top-25 Guard, as far as talent is concerned. At least with Wade, he was still a Top-5 Guard for years. He didn't need the help the referees gave him. Harden is nothing without the refs. All of his points come from unwarranted trips to the free-throw line, while he's one of the five worst Defensive Guards in the NBA.

Back to the Celtics. Again, they were extremely aggressive, making it difficult for other teams to get into their Offenses, but they were aggressive because they weren't called for the fouls they were committing. Anyone can play that kind of Defense if the referees allow you to do so, and an opposing team's "stats" will reflect that.

With Miami, they went from being pure average Defensively LeBron's first season together, to being elite their second and third season together. They partied way too much last season, and were not very good Defensively during the regular season. They tried to turn it on during the playoffs, but you can't play like that. San Antonio destroyed them in the playoffs and made their Defense look like it did during their worst moments of 2014. They lost their passion after winning back-to-back Championships. It showed throughout the regular season last year. They didn't play like a Champion.
The Celtics in 2007-2008 (their first year with Garnett and Allen) were indeed first in the NBA in defense. They gave up under 99 points per 100 possessions. That is super elite. They did commit the 5th most fouls in the league that year as well. They only had one year as a group where they were better, and that was 2011-2012.

As for the Heat's first season, listen to their coach. Spoelstra himself says their first season was their best defensively. In fact, he claims that they only practiced defense and he left the offense up to LeBron and Wade. During that first year, you still has elite athlete Dwayne Wade and they only played defensive centers (like Dampier and Joel Anthony).

As for the superstar calls, every sport has them. Football is actively making the quarterback (aka: star) a flag football position. According to an article in the NYTimes (NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/08/sports/baseball/study-finds-umpires-ball-strike-calls-favor-all-star-pitchers.html?_r=0)), for each all star appearance a pitcher makes, he is 4.8% more likely to get a strike called. The same happens (to a lesser degree) with hitter. Basketballs "superstar" calls are more obvious because they are more plentiful (stars tend to have the ball and play more), they stop the game (unlike baseball), and they are greatly rewarded with free throws. Now, to Dwayne specifically. He got massive amounts of FT's early in his career mostly because he threw himself at the basket and moved laterally better than any guard in NBA history (with the possible exception of Ginobili). He created contact and got the calls as a result. You can call it "star treatment", I call it smart.

[Kingspoint]

The Celtics in 2007-2008 (their first year with Garnett and Allen) were indeed first in the NBA in defense. They gave up under 99 points per 100 possessions. That is super elite. They did commit the 5th most fouls in the league that year as well. They only had one year as a group where they were better, and that was 2011-2012.

As for the Heat's first season, listen to their coach. Spoelstra himself says their first season was their best defensively. In fact, he claims that they only practiced defense and he left the offense up to LeBron and Wade. During that first year, you still has elite athlete Dwayne Wade and they only played defensive centers (like Dampier and Joel Anthony).

As for the superstar calls, every sport has them. Football is actively making the quarterback (aka: star) a flag football position. According to an article in the NYTimes (NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/08/sports/baseball/study-finds-umpires-ball-strike-calls-favor-all-star-pitchers.html?_r=0)), for each all star appearance a pitcher makes, he is 4.8% more likely to get a strike called. The same happens (to a lesser degree) with hitter. Basketballs "superstar" calls are more obvious because they are more plentiful (stars tend to have the ball and play more), they stop the game (unlike baseball), and they are greatly rewarded with free throws. Now, to Dwayne specifically. He got massive amounts of FT's early in his career mostly because he threw himself at the basket and moved laterally better than any guard in NBA history (with the possible exception of Ginobili). He created contact and got the calls as a result. You can call it "star treatment", I call it smart.

I call it "homerism" on your part. Wade no more deserved the calls he got than Harden has deserved them the last several seasons.

On a side note, Riley did a great job keeping a competitive team together in Miami without LeBron. Spoelstra will do well with this group, having kept most of it's parts together. Will be interesting to see if Allen comes back for one more season. He can still shoot the three.

[improbus]

As for Free Throws in general, they are a young man's game. The top 25 FT per game guys last year were under 30. The top guy over 30 was Nene (31) at 5 per game. From ages 23-29, Dwayne averaged between 10.5 to 8.6 per game. After 30, he hasn't gone over 6.2. Why? He doesn't have that athleticism to get to the rim and finish through contact. He pulls up for runners, etc...

[improbus]

I call it "homerism" on your part. Wade no more deserved the calls he got than Harden has deserved them the last several seasons.

On a side note, Riley did a great job keeping a competitive team together in Miami without LeBron. Spoelstra will do well with this group, having kept most of it's parts together. Will be interesting to see if Allen comes back for one more season. He can still shoot the three.

I can't speak to "deserved", only to "got". Maybe if I were to break down years of film, I could give you a better answer.

[improbus]

This star treatment talk reminds me of the famous time a rookie pitcher complained to an umpire about a pitch to Rogers Hornsby being called a ball. The umpire's response was, "Son, when you pitch a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know it."

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/quotes/quohorn.shtml

[Roy Tucker]

I attended one of the schools that played St. Vincent-St. Mary in the finals against Lebron - watched him from the 2nd row at Schottenstein. I remember being not very impressed, and this is why I'm not a professional NBA scout.

Anyways, college basketball comes first in my book. I'm happy for Cleveland but it's not going to cause me to pay more attention to the NBA or the Cavs.

Edit: I suppose it caused me to click on this thread. Alright, I guess you win this time, Lebron.

Was that Roger Bacon?

I remember reading about the game the next day thinking "how the hell did a bunch of skinny white guys beat Lebron?"

http://www.cleveland.com/hssports/blog/index.ssf/2012/03/a_state_title_upset_that_grows.html

[Kingspoint]

This star treatment talk reminds me of the famous time a rookie pitcher complained to an umpire about a pitch to Rogers Hornsby being called a ball. The umpire's response was, "Son, when you pitch a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know it."

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/quotes/quohorn.shtml

I love baseball quips.

[Kingspoint]

As for Free Throws in general, they are a young man's game. The top 25 FT per game guys last year were under 30. The top guy over 30 was Nene (31) at 5 per game. From ages 23-29, Dwayne averaged between 10.5 to 8.6 per game. After 30, he hasn't gone over 6.2. Why? He doesn't have that athleticism to get to the rim and finish through contact. He pulls up for runners, etc...

Why?

"Old" guys don't sell jerseys. Paraphernalia is a young players product. Stern always knew this and promoted it heavily.

[Kingspoint]

I can't speak to "deserved", only to "got". Maybe if I were to break down years of film, I could give you a better answer.

Wade initiated most of the contact and should have been fouling out every game through Offensive fouls. Instead, he was getting to the free-throw line 12, 15, 18 times a game, while ending any kind of flow the other team would receive and also removing the opposing players from the game on a regular basis. Easy recipe for success provide through the NBA's policy of promoting Star players so that they can sell jerseys in Europe, Africa and China.

Saw the exact same thing happen with Brandon Roy. Not once in the history of the Trailblazers did a Portland Trail Blazer ever get special treatment, until Brandon Roy came along. Roy wins Rookie-of-the-Year. He didn't get any Star treatment yet, but at the end of his second season, when it was obvious he was dominating other players in the league and became popular as a player, both among fans and among other players, Roy began to get calls he didn't deserve. By Roy's third season, he would get even more calls he didn't deserve. By his fourth season, it became a joke and embarrassing. Other fans may think it's OK if their favorite players, Wade, Kobe, Paul, Harden, Durant, and others get calls they don't deserve, when they should be getting Offensive fouls instead, but I think it's a joke. I don't want to win that way.

What's amazing about the Spurs, is that they used to win because of all the whining they used to do, while getting Star treatment calls for Parker, Ginobili and Duncan. But, the last couple of seasons, the Spurs have stopped getting those calls. It coincides with their jerseys being less popular. But, Popovich is such a great Head Coach, that he's been able to win without that Star treatment his opponents continually receive.

Ironically, the NBA's best player, LeBron, should be getting Star treatment, but he's never received it. He gets hacked without a foul being called as much he gets a call he doesn't deserve. Stern has always had vendetta's against certain players and certain teams. I don't think he ever embraced LeBron.

LeBron's draftmate, Carmelo Anthony, was embraced by Stern from the get-go, getting Star treatment from the moment he stepped on the court. But, for the last couple of seasons he hasn't received that same treatment. He's earned what he's gotten.

[improbus]

I agree that there is some "star treatment". But that is a matter of human confirmation bias and error (as it is in all sports), not some vast conspiracy. Your Brandon Roy example is a good one. He built a reputation as a guy who goes to the basket, creates contact, and finishes through that contact. The refs watched film to prepare and they knew that he did those things. So, he tended to get the benefit of the doubt when he goes to the basket and there is some contact. This is why great pitchers get more strikes called. Umpires tend to give them the benefit of the doubt more.

As for the Spurs, they have become a 3 point shooting team and Duncan spends significantly more time at the big post and the elbows than on the low block. So, they get less calls. Ball movement and open jumpers don't lead to foul calls. And Duncan still whines. He gave us plenty of the Duncan bug eyes during the Finals.

[RiverRat13]

Was that Roger Bacon?

I remember reading about the game the next day thinking "how the hell did a bunch of skinny white guys beat Lebron?"

http://www.cleveland.com/hssports/blog/index.ssf/2012/03/a_state_title_upset_that_grows.html

That Roger Bacon team was legit. It had at least a couple of D-1 players and several other kids play college ball. It really wasn't that big of an upset.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

The Cavaliers are willing to add Andrew Wiggins in a trade for Timberwolves forward Kevin Love, according to sources close to Bob Finnan of the News-Herald.

This has become the hot debate in NBA circles; should the Cavaliers swap the potential of Andrew Wiggins for the already proven production of Kevin Love. The report also mentions that James indeed wants Love on the roster. The whole topic has been mostly speculation to this point, but if these reports are true, it shows that the Cavaliers are hoping to contend for championships as soon as possible.

Source: News-Herald.com (http://www.news-herald.com/sports/20140717/cleveland-cavaliers-now-willing-to-include-wiggins-in-kevin-love-trade-offer)

[improbus]

I never did say that much about LeBron actually leaving. There are some interesting aspects to this. First, it is amazing how much the packaging matters to us fans. Listen to these facts and tell me whether they happened in 2010 or 2014? He was secretive about his choice for weeks/months/years. He neglected to tell his old team/new team until the last second. He made a calculated announcement to the public. He left an aging team for a younger team with more upside. He had been plotting this move for some time. All of those happened in both 2010 and 2014. There were two differences. The first was the narrative. He initially left Ohio for Miami to chase rings, abandoning his home and taking the "easy" route. This time he is going home and that kind of move is always understood. The second was the packaging of the choice. This time around he framed his decision in a heart wrenching letter that tugged on heartstrings instead of a blunt hammer to the face. So, we the fans are happy with this (outside of Miami) because of the narrative and packaging and not the facts.

There are a few details to the story that LeBron left out of the letter. What if LeBron had added the following info? In Cleveland, he had complete run of the team. The Cavs did EVERYTHING possible to make him happy. They moved their practice facility close to his Akron home. He and his boys decided when the plane took off for road trips and they rode on the team plane. They were known to have delayed the plane until the next morning because they wanted to go to a party the night before. His guys got to sit near the bench during games. In Miami, Pat Riley didn't allow them near the team and didn't allow LeBron to control the team. His guys weren't on the team flights and there was tensions between Riley and LeBron over that and other similar matters. Imagine if the letter described those as his reasons for coming back to Cleveland.

Consider the following:
1) He signed what is essentially a one year deal. This gives him a strangle hold over the organization and I would guess that he does this year to year. I can't believe that this hasn't gotten more play. Cleveland is going to have to endure this circus EVERY offseason.
2) Would he have signed if Cleveland hadn't gotten three number 1 picks in the last 4 years? What if Kyrie blew out his knee last year? Would he be coming to a team led by Dion Waiters?
3) The free agent market ballooned on Miami. They had their sights on the Pau Gasol/Lowry/Chandler Parsons level free agents and could only sign McBob/Granger. If they were able to bring back Bosh/Wade and add a Lowry, this might not have happened.

What I am getting at is the following. We are so quick and thrilled to buy into the narrative and packaging of something that we want to happen that we often ignore the facts staring us in the face. Everyone outside of Miami wanted LeBron to return to Cleveland (if he wasn't coming to their team). LeBron gave that to them. Now, that doesn't mean that the letter was insincere. I'm sure almost everything in that letter is true and is a large part of him returning home. LeBron has been an Ohio guy his whole life (as the SI article about him states nicely) and I do believe that he wanted to return home for many of the reasons he mentioned. But, for us to ignore the OTHER reasons he left is to act the sucker.

[improbus]

Now, as a postscript to my diatribe above, I am thrilled that he went to Cleveland. I am happy for LeBron and want him to be happy (the same way I would if Joey Votto really wanted to go back to Toronto). It is their life and not mine and LeBron gave me and Heat fans (and the NBA in general) four of the greatest and most insane years possible. There was never a dull moment, even in meaningless mid-season games.

As for basketball the East got really interesting in a way that it hasn't been since Derrick Rose was healthy. LeBron playing with young guys who run and dunk (or Kevin Love) is really exciting. I look forward to hearing Austin Carr lose his mind and babble incoherently. I also look forward to Dwayne Wade and Big Shot Bosh to play great basketball and beat the Cavs to a pulp.

[medford]

I thought LeBron signed a 2 year deal. If his intent is truly to stay in Cleveland and try to capture a crown this does 2 things. Selfishly, the NBA tv gig is up after 2 years and the general thought is that the salary cap will increase significantly in 2 years and star players will be able to make significantly more in 2 seasons. Second, from a team perspective, the 2016 free agent class is going to be outstanding. Aside from LeBron, you'll have Deroen Willams at PG, Bradley Beal at SG, Durant at SF/PF, Noah at PF/C and Dwight Howard at C plus a handful of next tier kind of guys that can fill roles.

[improbus]

I thought LeBron signed a 2 year deal. If his intent is truly to stay in Cleveland and try to capture a crown this does 2 things. Selfishly, the NBA tv gig is up after 2 years and the general thought is that the salary cap will increase significantly in 2 years and star players will be able to make significantly more in 2 seasons. Second, from a team perspective, the 2016 free agent class is going to be outstanding. Aside from LeBron, you'll have Deroen Willams at PG, Bradley Beal at SG, Durant at SF/PF, Noah at PF/C and Dwight Howard at C plus a handful of next tier kind of guys that can fill roles.

It is a two year deal with an opt out after this upcoming season. Now, we'll se if he can attract any good free agents this time.

[Kingspoint]

I said that it didn't matter who Cleveland would add to play alongside of LeBron, that Cleveland would not win the Eastern Conference because it takes at least one-and-one-half years to learn to play Defense together. But, with Paul George, Indiana's best player, out for the season, it has become much, much easier to win the Eastern Conference. The Eastern Conference is so bad right now that maybe only one or two teams from the East would even finish among the Top-8 in the West.

There's really nothing in the way preventing Cleveland from winning the Eastern Conference. Chicago thinks they have something, but it remains to be seen if Rose can dedicate himself for an entire season. He'll be doggedly tired by the playoffs and should wear down, as he's hardly played any basketball for two years now. Washington has put together a very good team and should finish in the Top-4 in the East. Indiana is still formidable even without George, and don't count out Kevin Pritchard from putting something together. They'll get an injury amnesty where they can use 50% of George's salary on another player, but then luxury tax will be involved at that point. Indiana needs a better Head Coach. Miami will be interesting to watch with Bosh playing the way he played while in Toronto.

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It is a two year deal with an opt out after this upcoming season. Now, we'll see if he can attract any good free agents this time.

I'd say Kevin Love is a good Free Agent.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

LeBron James stated during his Welcome Home Rally in Ohio, "I'm not going anywhere."

It appears that James wants to end his career in Cleveland, and he said the reasoning for his two-year contract was simply a business decision. James also stated that bringing a championship to Cleveland would be his greatest career accomplishment, and this has been one of the better stories of the NBA offseason. Rejoice Cavs fans, your King has returned.

Source: Marc Stein on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

[QUOTE=Razor Shines;3133492]

It takes at least a year for new teammates to learn to play Defense together. Cleveland can't win a championship in 2014-15 even if they got Love. The next year though, they've got to be even money favorites, Love or no Love. Maybe LeBron will inspire Irving to try to play some Defense for a change.

I just want to repeat what I said here the day the "three" became one. Until Irving gets with the program, there's no Championship in their future. It may take a trade of Irving, an injury to Irving, or a smackdown of Irving by the rest of the team. I'm predicting the latter.

That said, it's amazing how patient of an NBA player LeBron is. He's so much more talented than the next best player in the league, yet he's always been willing to defer to teammates to try to get them involved, saving his own Offense until it's "needed", even taking losses along the way in the effort to improve his teammates. It's one reason why his career FG percentage is so incredibly high. Love is one of the smartest players in the league, it's best rebounder, and best 3-pt shooting big man.

In that 1st Quarter against the Blazers, the Cavs were moving the ball really well on Offense, even with Irving taking several shots out of the flow of the game in the 1st. LaMarcus Aldridge refuses to guard a 3-pt shooter...he's stated that he won't do it (idiot and lazy), and LA gave up three 3's in the 1st where the Cavs hit their first four attempts (including one from LeBron of about 30 feet). But, Irving's play got old and it cost the team any kind of Offensive flow.

[Razor Shines]

The Hawks, Bulls, or whoever the NBA decides to award the Eastern Conference championship to will likely get blown out by the Warriors.


Since obviously the Cavs weren't allowed to make it out of the East this year.